Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Or the Laser 6756 from amazon.de. just switch your country in the app. It
is 12 euros.

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> Karl, what is the source for the parking brake spring kit with tool?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> >
> > The parking brake spring kit is a hollow tube with an outer flange to
> > compress the spring and a slot to catch the straight part to turn the
> > spring. T handle. It makes that job trivial. I tried with needle nose
> > pliers and succeeded on one side but never did get it done that way on
> the
> > other side. Wish I had bought the tool sooner. The e420 needs the whole
> > works also so I figured I would get some more use out of it someday.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

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The tool I bought is Baum but it is $45.

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> Karl, what is the source for the parking brake spring kit with tool?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > The parking brake spring kit is a hollow tube with an outer flange to
> > compress the spring and a slot to catch the straight part to turn the
> > spring. T handle. It makes that job trivial. I tried with needle nose
> > pliers and succeeded on one side but never did get it done that way on
> the
> > other side. Wish I had bought the tool sooner. The e420 needs the whole
> > works also so I figured I would get some more use out of it someday.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I ended up with two new sets of 12 point sockets from Amazon to get it
done. One long and one short.

The dodgiest part is jacking the LCA up to compress the spring. Be sure
that you are not under it if the jack tips over. It has o e too many
degrees of freedom.

The parking brake spring kit is a hollow tube with an outer flange to
compress the spring and a slot to catch the straight part to turn the
spring. T handle. It makes that job trivial. I tried with needle nose
pliers and succeeded on one side but never did get it done that way on the
other side. Wish I had bought the tool sooner. The e420 needs the whole
works also so I figured I would get some more use out of it someday.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Good point Max.  Mine are off by about .8mm  I have a piece of tin I
> will make a washer from that is the right thickness.   That should point
> the diff in the right direction.
>
> More progress today.   I have the rear subframe mostly assembled, out
> from under the car.  It is less the LCAs, springs, axles, differential,
> and brake calipers. I decided it was a lot easier to put the parking
> brakes together up where it was easier to see things.   I turned the
> subframe upside down to put in the last spring on each side, on the
> bottom.  It is very strong and nearly impossible to get in.  But I got
> them done, them put on the discs.  I don't think there is any work left
> that is more of a pain than the parking brakes.   Monday, the lower
> control arms (LCA) are supposed to be done. (New bushings in)   By Wed,
> I am supposed to have the tool to put new boots on the axle joints.
>
> IN the meantime, I can fit the assembly to the car.  Less the LCAs,
> axles, differential and brake calipers.  All those can be put on while
> the rear subframe assembly is on the car.  Once the subframe is under
> the car, then it will start looking like a car again, not a 2 wheeled
> junker.
>
> I used my old method for the P. brake big springs.   2 wraps (loop)of 26
> or 28 ga copper wire (salvaged from a dead coil) around the spring hook,
> then pry on that to pull the spring while shoving the spring hook into
> the slot with the other hand.  I still can't see how a cluster hook can
> get the hook in behind the brake shoe
>
> I could see something like this working:
> C
> |_]   because it would have an offset to get the spring
> under the shoe.
>
> A nice thing about the kit from fcp with the 4 links for the rear
> suspension:  It has all new fasteners.  Unfortunately they are all XZN
> (triple square)  and they are bigger than the Axle bolts.  Fortunately,
> I had a socket insert for the right size.  I am going to try to find  a
> real socket for them and the axle bolts.   My expensive snappy one broke
> on the first use, and so far, I can't get snappy to replace it. (cheap
> ba$$ turds)  I have a whole pile of broken snappy stuff waiting for some
> time I can embarrass them into replacing everything.   IF HF had the
> stupid ZXN sockets, I'd buy em there.  (orsorry Dan, even at
> maynerds, if they had em)
>
>
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > January 8, 2020 at 7:54 AM
> > Karl, Jaime: what about fine tuning the alignment of the differential,
> > once
> > you get to the point of connecting the driveshaft? IIRC, when I swapped
> > differentials on my 124 last fall, new bushings were supposed to be
> > installed with a special tool in order to get the differential aimed
> > directly at the driveshaft so the entire assembly would be straight and
> (I
> > assume) minimize flexing at the flex disc and sideways loading on the
> > bearing at the nose of the differential. I didn't have the special
> factory
> > tool, used a Mark 1 Mod 0 Eyeball and calipers, paid attention to
> > alignment
> > of the old diff and focused on getting the new diff into the same
> > position. The fore/aft depth of each bushing can affect the diff
> > alignment, if they are grossly different.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie in PNW

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It is always the floor :-)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 4:02 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It can happen, but it’s very rare. One that’s made it this far can’t be
> too far gone unless it’s the floor.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > No such thing on a finnie
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 3:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like the one that someone posted a FB link to the other day. The
> >> seller isn’t unrealistic on price if he can post more pictures and
> identify
> >> “a little” rust.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/1962-mercedes-220s-fintail-for-sale.3043779/
> >>
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie in PNW

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

No such thing on a finnie

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 3:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looks like the one that someone posted a FB link to the other day. The
> seller isn’t unrealistic on price if he can post more pictures and identify
> “a little” rust.
>
>
> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/1962-mercedes-220s-fintail-for-sale.3043779/
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Question For Jaime

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What is the right solution?

I actually bought that one you had recommended on ebay. It is huge and
awesome. The tank has some pits but I will just weld them up if it springs
a leak.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 6:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> I have two branson ultrasonic cleaners.  They're all over ebay for
> reasonable prices.
>
> With the right solution, it strips hardware to bare steel!!
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:52 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> > What was the ultrasonic parts cleaner that you recommended a few years
> > ago? They were on eBay and I should have bought one then.
> >
> > Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] Sprinter Vans

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I had a 2006 Sprinter. I liked the inline 5 a lot more than the subsequent
v6 that came out with the new body design in 2007.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 1:30 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> In looking for a replacement for our '89 Big Red Van, I found:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-Cargo-Van/202871788386
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter/164026522783
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-2500-EXT/193294858764
>
>
> What do y'all think about them?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

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Just print two halves and glue them together with plexus. Or put some
plexus in a mold and jam the key down into it. Or do the same thing with
epoxy with some milled glass fibers or similar. Done.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 6:52 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> I believe that could be done.   That would be a good way to go with the
> carbon fiber filament. build a fixture onto the base plate that you
> could clamp the key in, then hit GO for program #2.
>   Program 2 would be just an inverse of program 1.
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > January 14, 2020 at 8:19 PM
> > Hmmm - could you program the printer to stop at the appropriate point for
> > you to put the metal key in place, then let the printer continue and make
> > the head all one piece, with the key encapsulated in it?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:48 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] I need some welding lessons!

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Those m113k nannies are the nannies kids pray for.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 10:35 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Actually that’s an interesting crackpot idea. The wheelbases Of the two
> chassises (126 coupé and 163) are within an inch and body widths and tracks
> are also very close so those aspects would be close fits.
>
> I wonder if the 560 engine would mate up to the AWD drive train or just
> leave the stock ML engine in it. I guess a newer engine like a 500 or 55
> M113 would have moah powah than the older 560 M117 but it would be run by
> nannies
>
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> > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Oh hell yes I need to do this, seriously need to do this! Someone find
> me a wrecked G I can get the running gear from, I got the $300.560SEC
> sitting around!
> >>
> https://petrolicious.com/articles/dakar-dud-this-mercedes-benz-560sec-was-built-for-off-road-endurance-racing-in-the-80s
> >
> > Didn't you buy an SEC or two a while back?
> > 126 or 140?
> > Drop it on top of a W163 frame and you'll have the lift automatically.
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Re: [MBZ] Progress 300D 2.5

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I have never welded sheet metal into a car before, but I might tear into
various spots soon. There is a little edge bender I saw that helps make a
little bevel on both sides so the weld ends up flush with the surface.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 2:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> I have finally been able to stop the process of tearing things up and
> welding on the 300D 2.5.   Today I was able to install the new brake
> lines.  I have more sheet metal patching to do, but I'm done welding. If
> I had Dimitri's skills and tools, i'd weld in patches, but these are
> getting glued and screwed, as they are non-structural, and underneath.
>
> Tomorrow I hope to take Wilton's subframe and the wheel carriers to get
> powerwashed and press in new bushings.After that I will do a trial
> fitting of the subframe.   Then I will start assembling the subframe.
> Not sure what day that will be, but it is supposed to rain for 40 days
> and 40 nights, so I can work on the assembly inside.
>
> I reversed, and decided to order MB hoses for the fuel  in and out of
> the tank.   Waiting for those and the prior order from CC to show up. CC
> sent the prior order to the wrong address, but the right address was
> clearly in the email I sent.   Need the hoses before I can put in the
> subframe.   Hopefully within a week or 2 the car will be back together.
>
> Well, actually there is one more spot I need to tear out the undercoat
> and dig out the rust flakes, but it is relatively easy to get to; just a
> complex shape.  Probably a 6" x 8" patch if I had to guess.
>
> I will order new rear calipers next week too, along with the axle boot
> tool and boots.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

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I have run one of those aluminum key heads on a 123 key for a year or two
and aside from the black color wearing off the corners it is as good as the
day I put it on. I agree the price is steep. I was going to have a
machinist friend do a run in part because my mechanic always comments on
how nice it is. The mechanic is an older german guy who does a lot of high
dollar 50s 300sl etc cars and is not easily impressed.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I made one out of spruce. It lasted tolerably well considering my poor
> woodworking skills. I've still got it around somewhere.
>
> Curt
>
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>   On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I bought one of these for a 124 key that was missing the plastic head:
> >
> > https://blenddoor.com/product/billet-aluminum-key-head/
> >
> > Nice product, looks and feels good.  We'll see how long it will hold up,
> > undoubtably a lot longer than the cheapo plastic replacements that are
> out
> > there.
> >
>
> For $30-40, I'd take the time to make one out of Walnut (didn't Wilton do
> this?)
> or carbon fiber cloth. I think the carbon weave would be an interesting
> variation on the texture of the original. Maybe reinforce the original
> with
> carbon and epoxy (probably UV resistant epoxy) and vacuum bag it?
> The issue with carbon would be not having any loose ends sticking through
> the
> epoxy, carbon slivers are no fun.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

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I had all new links, new diff and axles and a new subframe, so I replaced
the lower carrier bearings then assembled the whole shooting match on a
table, then lowered it onto a dolly and slid it under the car with the car
on blocks. Then I put a jack under the diff and lifted the whole thing into
place. Lined up the front bolts each side first, then the rear bolts, one
bolt at a time. It takes a bit of fiddling to get the whole mess balanced
over the jack point; I used a 2x6 under the diff andtried several slight
movements of the jack on the 2x6 until it balanced. The new swaybar, upper
sway link bolts and upper sls strut bolts were installed before the
subframe went in, then attached.

The link tightening is far easier to do on the bench than on the car and it
is easy to position the carriers properly before tightening, to avoid too
much bushing torque at final ride height. Same with the axle bolts, outer
axle nuts, and diff mount bolts front and back. You can also eyeball the
toe links and adjust the eccentric bolts to similar positions to get it in
the ballpark for the drive to the alignment shop. I left the inner main
control arm bushings loose, then after bolting the subframe in put the
springs and new pads in and gingerly with appropriate trepidation and arms
length gently jacked the arm up until the main spherical bearing bolt hole
lined up with the carrier bearing, adding some blocks under it as I went.
Once that bolt is in you can relax a bit and fit the lower sls shock and
swaybar bolts by adjusting the height of the jack and wiggling the swaybar
links, and tighten the inner main control arm bolt. The first side took 30
minutes. The second side took 5 minutes.

 Remount the brake calipers. Put the wheels on. Mount the new flex discs
and driveshaft/center bearing. Hook up the new parking brake cables and
adjust the length. Hook up the ABS sensor wire and any of that traction
control stuff if the car has it. Exhaust will need to go back on
eventually, and splash shields, but not needed for shakedown. Everything
else is already torqued, so test the brakes and take a ride. Dont forget to
add hydraulic fluid and or brake fluid if any was drained out, and check
for leaks. Check the diff fluid level or change it out while the subframe
is out of the car.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 8:31 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
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> Yes that's more correct Max... it has been a while since I have done this
> and I mis-spoke.  Jacking up under each side so there's even pressure gives
> you more room to work when you're laying on your back.  I want to say I had
> a more clever approach to it at the time that was even easier but I can't
> seem to recall what it was.   I think I was able to tighten everything just
> laying on my back under the car. It's far easier to assemble the 5 link
> with no load on it outside the vehicle and then tighten for road worthiness
> later.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jacked up the spring link until even with the other side (ready to drive)
> > and then tightened up the links.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jan 7, 2020 11:13:48 PM Max Dillon :
> >
> > >
> > > I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the
> > car. I think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the
> > vehicle
> > > > and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and
> > secure it
> > > > to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> > > > suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> > > > jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without
> > getting
> > > > an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> > > > bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the
> > tires
> > > > hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm
> > of
> > > > factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the
> subframe
> > > > > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the
> centers
> > > > > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of
> > trying
> > > > > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with
> > the
> > > > > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > > > >
> > > > > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with
> springs.
> > > > > The weight is in 

Re: [MBZ] $33k for a project 190SL?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I sold one in 2007 for 22k. They have gone up since then.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 12:51 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I ran into this guy at a Q joint in town last summer who I saw roll up
> in a pretty nice red 190SL, he was standing in front of me in line.  I
> got talking to him, he said he had owned it a long time and pretty much
> drove it all the time, was nothing particularly special to him but he
> liked it.  The guy seemed a bit odd, but he had a 190SL and I didn't.  I
> didn't think those cars were particularly desirable as they were pretty
> slow, but I guess being 50someyo makes them a bit more valuable.  I
> kinda like the looks of them.
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/6/20 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > In today's irrational collector car universe you may very well be
> > right.  My guess is $39K due to the high cost of restoration.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:14 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I say >$75K
> >>
> >> Bob R
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Although the price will likely rise even more before bidding ends.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

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When I was a kid my dad worked at an army base in Riyadh and you could
always tell when the 135s took off to refuel the awacs because the rafters
would literally shake and the skylights would rattle. His office was
basically right next to the runway. That was in the 70s and 80s, before the
135 engine upgrades. I used to climb up the parking shade structure and sit
on the cinder block wall overlooking the airfield and watch these planes.
It all seemed pretty normal.

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> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 05:26:24 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Here’s a picture of my youngest son in the “boomer’s” cradle in a
> > KC-135. Don’t ask how I got it:
>
> No picture attached, Dan.
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

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There is a good vid on this by AOPA looking at LSA safety issues.

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 11:27 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:40:41 -0600
> OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > The Tailwind can operate out of almost any airport, while the canards
> need
> > a long runway. Someone built a Long-eze here on our 2600 ft. airport and
> > didn't manage to clear the trees at the end. Made a mess of broken
> > fiberglass. My C182A with nothing special gets off the ground in approx.
> > 800 - 900 feet. The Tailwind might take another 100 - 200 feet, might
> not.
> > Stalls that kill people are the result of poor piloting - not managing
> the
> > airspeed and un-coordinated turns at slow speed and low 
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I was looking at building a cozy and then got distracted by quickie 2s,
> > > which are quick but a bit too deadly for me to think about. I can do
> pretty
> > > much everything needed to build a Tailwind and it would make a nice
> long
> > > term project. I can do everything needed to build a Lancair or a
> quickie
> > > also, but honestly neither one seems as solid a performer as the
> tailwind,
> > > and the tailwind kit is only about 6k plus motor.
> > >
> > > The cozy appeals in terms of stall resistance, as that is what seems to
> > > kill a lot of people when the power goes out on small planes. Cozy is
> also
> > > very efficient. Nice combo. Price might be more than I want to pay
> though.
> > --
> > OK Don
> .
> Back in the '80s a pilot said that the reason homebuilts have so many
> accidents is because the flying speed is so close to the stall speed.
> Is that true, and if so, is the situation better nowadays?
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

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Hard to argue that knowing the angle of attack is going to hurt, though.

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 12:41 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Stall event is not just an angle of attack function. Many other factors can
> and do come into play, such as aircraft weight [fuel load, cargo, drag, and
> air density, ice accumulation, etc etc].
> Angle of attack indication only gets you "somewhere in the ballpark of when
> stall will occur".
> Good piloting skills, as mentioned, teach you to feel what the airplane is
> doing at all times.
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:17 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On January 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Stalls that kill people are the result of poor piloting - not managing
> > the
> > > airspeed and un-coordinated turns at slow speed and low 
> >
> > And now you can put a pretty band-aid on that.
> > It's quite popular with the Lancair owners.
> > I know I'd pay $400 for that, and I'm a cheapskate.
> > https://www.flyingmag.com/how-it-works-angle-attack-indicator/
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

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I was looking at building a cozy and then got distracted by quickie 2s,
which are quick but a bit too deadly for me to think about. I can do pretty
much everything needed to build a Tailwind and it would make a nice long
term project. I can do everything needed to build a Lancair or a quickie
also, but honestly neither one seems as solid a performer as the tailwind,
and the tailwind kit is only about 6k plus motor.

The cozy appeals in terms of stall resistance, as that is what seems to
kill a lot of people when the power goes out on small planes. Cozy is also
very efficient. Nice combo. Price might be more than I want to pay though.

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 9:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The Tailwind (one of them anyway) holds the record for speed in it's class
> in the SARL races - averaging 235 around a closed course. I think he hits
> over 250 ...
> It was the first amateur built experiment to be certified to carry
> passengers by the FAA in (IIRC) 1955. Steve Wittman, the designer and air
> racer, built it to fly parts and support between races.
>
> I like it's looks better than those plastic planes - especially as it's
> faster! The lifting body is part of it, as is the necked down wing cord at
> the root - reducing interference drag between the wing and fuselage as well
> as placing the center of lift where it needs to be while allowing a more
> streamlined fuselage. The spring steel landing gear (used bu Cessna and
> many others) were also Wittman's invention, and patented by him.
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 8:34 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On January 4, 2020 at 7:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Are you building one of those airplanes Mitch?
> >
> > Only in my dreams.
> > First started dreaming in 2018 when I found an ad for an unbuilt 25 year
> > old Lancair 235 kit for $8k.
> > It appears that Tailwind (fixed gear) falls between 2 seat Lancair
> > (retracts) and RV-8 (fixed) in efficiency / straight line speed, and
> should
> > be cheaper than either. Making the fuselage a lifting body was
> apparently a
> > stroke of genius, it's not as beautiful as a Lancair but it's pretty darn
> > fast for fixed gear, especially considering the age of the design.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

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Are you building one of those airplanes Mitch?

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 4:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I'd like to use the current GM LE2 1.4L. Very lightweight and
> 'turbo-normalized'.
> But you've got to wind it up past 3000rpm to get serious power, which
> means a small propeller...
> (I am not a fan of Subaru or Mazda engines with gearboxes)
> Mitch.
> > On January 4, 2020 at 3:01 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tailwind for the win! They even used 215 aluminum olds via turned around
> > backwards with the prop bolted to the flywheel at about 160hp in those
> > things.
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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Tailwind for the win! They even used 215 aluminum olds via turned around
backwards with the prop bolted to the flywheel at about 160hp in those
things.

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>
> > On January 4, 2020 at 11:35 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > So when are you going to buy a plane? You could then fly yourself to the
> chowda-Q, fly for work and write that off, fly Tin Man or Clay around to
> collect cars for you.
>
> I forget, did Don ever get the Tailwind airworthy?
> If so, maybe he and Kaleb could fly to RI together at 150 kts.
> But not this year, if Kaleb is taking the family to Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

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Usually in this situation I just replace the rusty section with a factory
part. It bolts right in and the parts are not typically too expensive.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:54 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up the
> weld.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
> > I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
> > welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
> >> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
> >> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally
> joined
> >> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
> >> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing
> the
> >> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe
> which
> >> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded
> mass
> >> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
> the
> >>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> will not
> >>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> >>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical
> repairs.
> >>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> >>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
> defended
> >>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him
> what I
> >>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
> similar
> >>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys
> think of
> >>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Happy new year

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

2019 still in full swing out here in Phoenix.

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>  Indeed.We watched the festivities in NYC on YouTube, definitely the
> discount coverage...
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 RF LCA???

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah I forgot which flavor is most favored currently but the 500eboard is a
good place to search. Some of the ball joint brands are really crappy and
fail quickly.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:38 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Depends on the quality of the parts, cheap LCA may only last a few years.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Dec 31, 2019 12:08:33 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  >:
>
> > Shop says $400 parts and labor to replace, sounds like a good deal then
> > if I would need to get into all that
> >
> > -_FT
> >
> > On 12/31/19 11:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > > Complete assembly is $$$. Try Parks Auto, and Baker Motors. Otherwise
> you can get the ball joint and bushings separately, but need a press to get
> the ball joint out, and the bushings are a bear too.
> > >
> > > I've ordered a press from Germany, still waiting, probably won't
> arrive until later in January. I have a press from Hazard Fraught, but
> you'll need to cut off the ball joint stem and heat the LCA in order to use
> this press.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Dec 31, 2019 11:43:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Daughter unit says the front was squeaking on her 95 E320. Took it
> to a
> > > > shop they said RF LCA bushing was bad (and springs and struts, I
> don't
> > > > know about that aspect). She might be coming down this weekend I
> could
> > > > do an R on it but don't know if I could get a part that quick what
> > > > with the holiday. Who might have one I could get quickly? I should
> > > > look on Amazon see if there might be a Prime seller. I don't think
> Max
> > > > and I pulled off any front suspension bits off Wilton's car, the LF
> was
> > > > smashed, I don't think we bothered with the other side. Probably
> should
> > > > get new anyway.
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Re: [MBZ] You think 123 prices are crazy?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ebay and expand the pool of buyers to Japan.

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> BaT that and hope some fools on the west coast find it.  Big dollar sale
> for sure.  Craig McCaw (cellular One) has a racing shop that restores
> vintage race cars.  There is a really nice red 510 in the garage.
>
> The vintage asian cars are huge out there.  I was attending an MBCA event
> in North Vancouver BC a few years back.   Got stuck in the traffic near the
> venue by a few hundred dathonyotas on their way to their gathering.
> Traffic at the border at the end of the day was a large percentage of the
> same folks
>
> clay
>
> > On Dec 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >
> > I have this 72 Datsun 510 wagon that belonged to my granddaddy. When he
> got sick like 35 years ago my dad put it in the barn where it sat until
> maybe 15 yr ago when I pulled it out and stuck it in a storage bin in KY.
> It is basically all original, in good shape except for a few small body
> dings and what the mice and time have done to it.  So a fairly unmolested
> barn "find."  A coupla weeks ago I got thinking about it, and found some FB
> groups for 510s. Lot of guys with cool cars, some mostly original, some
> modified with newer engines, etc.  but still OK.  Fun to see the old cars
> being loved.
> >
> > I just saw this POS project car listed, a sedan, the guy wants $2800
> for.  So now I'm thinking this thing I have, even just cleaned up a bit not
> even running might be a $5k car, and if got back running who knows?  Not
> that I want to sell it, but I think that is pretty crazy.  My granddaddy,
> who was a very wise man for being mostly unschooled (at "school" anyway)
> would probably say something about fools and money and such and just laugh
> and laugh.  He probably paid maybe $800 for it back then, if that much,
> used, a few years old, and drove it for maybe 10 years.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ubiquiti stuff is all motion triggered with alerts that go to your cell
phone if desired. The app to review events is very slick and works on a
smartphone. It all updates firmware regularly and just gets better and
better. I have 6 cameras, all POE. The switch fan is noisy, but it is in
its own closet anyway. Notifies my phone if any of the cameras go down for
updates or other reasons, and when they come up again. Yada yada. Their
latest stuff is 4k. It is definitely more expensive but the user experience
is light years ahead of the Revo setup I had at the old house and it seems
pretty reliable so far.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 7:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Also, give serious thought to triggering or motion detection capability of
> the cameras and/or NVR/DVR/logging software.  Even a few cameras will
> capture vast amounts of imagery; too much for humans to look at all of it.
> So you need cueing to isolate those few seconds (out of days and weeks of
> images) for image analysis.  Nearly all cameras have motion detection but
> the trick is to minimize false alarms.  External triggering, say from an
> alarm system or passive IR is a great help providing it records event times.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:37 AM
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> >
> > Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> >
> > After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go
> with
> > coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to
> be
> > running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for
> sure. I
> > don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going
> with an
> > integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> > less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a
> collection of
> > disparate parts.
> >
> > More to study…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than
> > >> $50 but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> > >> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving
> > >> objects (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night
> > >> and ID is nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua
> > >> starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other
> > >> brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision
> > >> makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version
> > >> cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has
> > >> banned purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in
> > >> firmware) but that shouldn't matter to average users.
> > >
> > > I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> > > their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff
> > > sold is not updatable.
> > >
> > >
> > >> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> > >
> > > I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> > > which I bought in 2015.
> > >
> > >
> > >> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's
> > >> theoretical, practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.
> > >> Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy
> > >> to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to
> > >> fog and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable
> > >> than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware
> > >> update over the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD
> > >> card that can record motion events but you probably want a central
> > >> recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of
> > >> software like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera
> > >> brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and
> > >> cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable,
> > >> especially if you supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be
> > >> ordered with different focal lengths so do some analysis to get the
> > >> right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens
> > >> to get a custom field of view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.
> > >> My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.
> > >> Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have
> > >> advanced processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
> > >
> > > Good information, Scott.
> > >
> > > Note also you most likely will not 

Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Not sure how rare but I believe that transmission setup will bolt right
into a w123

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 4:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> " fewer than 200 examples powered by a 3.0-liter inline-six paired with a
> five-speed manual transmission." Sold for $24k yesterday -  must be rare,
> and at least somewhat desirable.
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 6:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300sl-8/
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and
> > dents, comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab.
> > Not really interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> > >
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

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Yes but we just bought all Ubiquiti stuff including the cloud key, cameras
and  16 port poe switch. Not the most cost effective but it all works
perfectly and is accessible with a great phone app.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 2:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the
> power bricks.
>
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m
> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24
> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see
> so far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their
> experience was…
>
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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My buddy in school drove a prelude with about 250k on it. 5 speed manual.
Thing drove great. Never needed anything. He drove it through residency and
fellowship, at which point his wife convinced him to buy a used, new style
volvo wagon. That was a big step down in just about every department except
number of doors.

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> Might have been, I was thinking of it as a two door, not seating
> positions. His was a two door with a stick as I recall. First year model, a
> 1978 I believe.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On December 25, 2019 at 7:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved
> the front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic
> front wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and
> relatively upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he
> passed.
> >
> > Prelude was always a 2+2, wasn't it?
> > Started out as an Accord coupe and moved upward from there.
> > By 1990ish you could get one with a form of four wheel steering.
> >
> > CRX and Del Sol were 2 seaters, and more recently S2000.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

On sls cars the sls valve adjust does the height.

I just made the axle shafts about level on the bench and tightened
everything down. It is hard enough to get it all tight on the bench; like
10 fasteners of varying sizes per side. Complete pain. It is about right
once the sls is adjusted to replicate the position in situ.

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> The rubber acts as a spring, if you clamp the links while they are hanging
> down the rear will sit high with the wheels "tucked in".  Drives very
> poorly.  Jack the wheel carrier to normal ride height before tightening.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

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I thought it was sons of the pioneers.

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:30 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> I'll bet no one here is old enough to remember the first singer who sang
> Ghost Riders in the Sky.
> Hint: He was a truck driver whose throat was injured in an accident. The
> injury have him a "new voice" which made him the most popular singer of the
> early post WW-2 era.
> Gerry
>
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:25:45 -0600
> Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > One of the most thrilling live songs I ever heard was the Sons of the
> > Pioneers (on many 1950s westerns, especially the singing cowboy
> > westerns) sing Ghost Riders.
> >
> > They were in the Rodeo arena.
> >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > December 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM
> > > There are multiple versions of Ghost Chickens in the Sky
> > > The one I remember:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0M65i_D6w
> > >
> > > A chicken farmer went out on one dark and dusty day
> > > And by the coop he rested as he went along his way
> > > When all at once a rotten egg hit him in the eye
> > > It was the sight he dreaded: Ghost Chickens in the SkyTM
> > >
> > > This farmer had these chickens since he was twenty-four
> > > Working for the Colonel (pronounced "Kernel," eh?)(TM) for thirty
> > > years or more
> > > Raising all those chickens up to send them off to fry
> > > And now they want revenge: Ghost Chickens in the Sky
> > >
> > >
> > > A newer one:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66vT4CMpCl4
> > >
> > > An old cowboy went out and bought a ranch in '65
> > > Spent all of his money and no cattle could he buy.
> > > So he called up Colonel Sanders and asked, "What should I do?"
> > > The Colonel said, "Buy chickens, and build the chicken coop."
> > > Now he's been a chicken rancher since he was 24
> > > Yeah, workin' for the Colonel now for 30 years or more!
> > > Ah, fixing all those chickens up and sending them to fry,
> > > now they want revenge.
> > >
> > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
> > > Chickens to bake, and chickens to fry.
> > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
> > >
> > > He was out a walkin' on his chicken ranch one day
> > > He stopped along the chicken coop as he went along his way,
> > > and all at once a rotten egg, it hit 'em in the eye.
> > > It was, a terrible sight.
> > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
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[MBZ] Ok this is weird

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OL-6WBtKt/?igshid=mvo4n535sl39
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Re: [MBZ] W124 rear subframe R

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have some h and r lowering springs if you want to slam it. :-). I went
with OE sportline stuff and a feind swaybar yada yada.

Pretty sure I have some diff bushings if you want them. V8 bushings are
larger and I bought some small ones by mistake.

The lemforder link kit might be this one:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4=202740612550=33583=1=0=1565460574000=0=1

They used the same links for the 201 and 210 cars I believe. FCP euro has a
similar kit also.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 3:31 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Interesting:  Both springs were broken.  between 1/4 and 1/2 of bottom
> coil.   I have springs.
>
> The brake backing plates are rusted tight to the wheel carrier.  I am
> soaking them.  I had wheel carriers, but I guess last year when I
> cleaned out the shed, I junked them.  So I need brake backing plates,
> (plate and ring) as these will  get trashed when I have to take them off.
>
> Anyone got 124 rear wheel carriers with backing plates or backing plates
> and clamp rings?
>
> I am assembling the next orders for links, bushings, grommets for the e
> brake cables etc.   I had that ready before I started welding.   Having
> the welder crap out really delayed this project (along with work and
> holidays.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 rear subframe R

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I have 2 new backing plates but I think they are a 210 part number. Let me
know what number you need and I will cross check it.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 3:31 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Interesting:  Both springs were broken.  between 1/4 and 1/2 of bottom
> coil.   I have springs.
>
> The brake backing plates are rusted tight to the wheel carrier.  I am
> soaking them.  I had wheel carriers, but I guess last year when I
> cleaned out the shed, I junked them.  So I need brake backing plates,
> (plate and ring) as these will  get trashed when I have to take them off.
>
> Anyone got 124 rear wheel carriers with backing plates or backing plates
> and clamp rings?
>
> I am assembling the next orders for links, bushings, grommets for the e
> brake cables etc.   I had that ready before I started welding.   Having
> the welder crap out really delayed this project (along with work and
> holidays.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 emergency brake shoes

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Yes there is a t handle thingy that makes it a one minute job. Get some new
springs also. And grommets for the cable thru the subframe.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 1:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> has anyone come up with tools that really work to R the
> parking/emergency brake shoes and cable?  (W124)I've done it using
> vice grips and other made up solutions, but it is awful and results in
> lots of wasted time and skinned hands.
>
> The right side had no shoes or guts whatsoever.   THe left side has
> shoes and I think it has all the parts.   Both sides need cables.   I
> have those.
>
> Decided I Need to put in all new everything in the rear before it goes
> on the road again.  Ouch
> wheel bearings, too...
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

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Ours ate the pointy end of a fishing rod after ingesting the lure and
spooling the leader around the brush. Broke the tip clean off.

The eufy 200 dollar version is dumb as a rock but keeps on ticking. No
virtual fences it just randomly goes where it will. Makes finding it an
adventure sometimes.

Next one will be the brava or whatever wet mop version. Maple floors.



On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 12:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> We have one. They work, but it's "yet another gadget" and more and more
> I try to avoid gadgets (especially the kitchen where they tend to
> proliferate in the backs of the cupboards).
>
> Also, you have to have a pretty neat home to use one of these things. If
> you tend towards clutter, it can get hung up on stuff. Even a pair of
> shoes left on the floor can cause a problem if the Roomba ingests a
> shoestring.
>
> Pets may be indifferent to them, be afraid of them, try to play with
> them, or attack them, depending on their personality.
>
> Allan
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and
> how they do or don’t like it.
> >
> > Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked
> to that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of
> reasons.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Scam? Hey Max check it out

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That is about what the vehicle is worth. I had a 2005 g55 for awhile. Sold
it to a friend who still drives it. If anyone wants a well maintained one
then let me know. It is in Maryland.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 12:34 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> No pix of the engine, so another AMG poseur?  I'd have to run the VIN I
> guess...
>
> Price is pretty outrageous.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:30 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
> > 2006 Mercedes-Benz G-Class G 55 AMG Sport Utility 4D
> > Mt Pleasant, SC· about a day ago
> > <
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1559980187474163/?ref=product_details
> >·
> >
> >
> > $37,000
> >
> >   * About This Vehicle
> >   *
> >
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Driven 151,000 miles
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Automatic transmission
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> > Seller's Description
> >
> > Simply posting because I have to many vehicles and this one takes up to
> > much room in my garage. Have all service records and maintenance done
> > from the Mercedes dealership
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

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The diesel donor car would make it a lot easier.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 8:24 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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>
> I have most of the parts, but there are some key bits that were sold off,
> like the blue flying saucer vacuum control valve. However, now that The
> White Whale is too rusty to bring much $ as a whole car, she'll be more
> valuable as a donor, so effectively I have more than one car's donor parts.
>
> Max Dillon
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>
> Dec 9, 2019 10:20:22 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :
>
> > Wilton went to great lengths to procure a 1987 W124 300D sedan in
> showroom condition.
> > Then some idiot wrecked it for him.
> > Max got the whole car. I don't know how much he still has.
> > Mitch
> >
> > > On December 9, 2019 at 9:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> > >
> > >
> > > Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
> > > different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel
> and
> > > all wiring from a diesel sedan.
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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

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Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel and
all wiring from a diesel sedan. At that point you might as well put a 606
in, and if you are doing that, maybe just go one better and drop a salvage
om648 with a 722.6 in it for modern power, shifting, overdrive, economy and
emissions. Just use the factory ecu and tcu from the donor.

Rear end ratios are likely different.

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> Hello Floyd!
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> On 12/8/19 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
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> > and hands busy.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 10:02 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> Well I guess I'm in good company here!
> >>
> >> Rick you've nailed it, time is the key factor. Progress may be slow,
> but I
> >> do make progress, so time will be the judge.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Dec 8, 2019 10:38:45 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes  >:
> >>
> >>> I should have answered "yes".
> >>> Yes, it is madness.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>> Who forgets to proof read sometimes.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

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We have a eufy and we love that thing. All wood floors with some rugs. Sure
it chokes on legos and other random objects but after it runs it is always
full of dirt and lint that would otherwise still be in the floor somewhere.
200 bucks on Amazon. Runs every day at 9am. No gimmicks, apps, programs or
laser beams. Sure it gets stuck under the couch and rarely finds it's way
home but when you see it sitting somewhere you just put it on the charger
again and it vacuums while u are at work. What it lacks in hp it makes up
for in time spent doing the job - its tolerance for vacuuming is far
greater than any human. To some extent the best vacuum is the one that gets
used and there is no way I am vacuuming every day of the week for an hour
or paying anyone to do that. Total weekly cfm is in favor of the robot.

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>
> We bought one years ago, clone of some type. Useless. Bin is small, work
> quality is terrible, and usually it would fail to park on the charger so
> the battery world die and the programming would fail, so in order to get it
> going again was a pain. Someone else already said you've got to keep the
> floors clear, that doesn't happen magically, and once the floors are clear,
> I can vacuum a room in minutes and achieve a far higher quality of work.
>
> The basic issue is physics. A small slow moving battery operated machine
> simply doesn't have the power of a corded vacuum, doesn't have the sensors
> (eyes and ears) to determine if the job is done right, and cannot overcome
> simple obstacles (Jimmy put your toys away now or I'm putting them out on
> the street curb for the kids in the neighborhood!).
>
> They are a curiosity, not a real tool.
>
> If you can get a free in-home trial period, probably will only take a few
> days or a week to see if the machine is right or not.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Dec 9, 2019 5:20:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
>
> > Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and
> how they do or don’t like it.
> >
> > Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked
> to that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of
> reasons.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Decent mileage

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Yeah the non turbo 606 is a great motor.

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> Million mile engine, too, along with being one of the last hand built
> Mercedes.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > You need to claim 45 mpg + ice cold AC and flip this car.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 1:43 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> >
> >>
> >> Last week I drove my new '95 E300 about 1600 miles. First two tanks
> >> returned 32 mpg, the last tank was 36.9 mpg, but only 284 miles. Overall
> >> average was about 32.8.
> >>
> >> This was mostly driving in cold weather, with a small amount of city
> >> traffic around WDC and the city of brotherly love.
> >>
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
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[MBZ] turbo 300d

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>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiinaAodlA
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Re: [MBZ] oil grade for m119

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A wavetrac is about 1250, plus bearings and seals. Finding a good rear end
shop to do it cheap is a challenge in LA. I swapped it myself and the
original shims seemed to give the proper gear lash and mesh pattern. But
they are only avail for w124 afaik.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 6:57 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> Can we use a Chrysler diff housing?
> Look what you have to pay for genuine Torsen to fit a 226mm Mopar/GETRAG
> (click on Chrysler 300 / Dodge Charger)
> https://torsen.com/aftermarket-sales/
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 7, 2019 at 9:43 AM MG via Mercedes 
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> >
> > Given the over $2500 price...
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Re: [MBZ] oil grade for m119

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No, they came with a 2.24 in the US. 2.65 in Europe. The 500e came with a
2.82, but it starts in 2nd gear. The e420 starts in 1st gear due to the
tall 2.24 diff. Switch that to a 2.82 and you suddenly have a lot of wheel
torque 0-50 mph or so in 1st gear. Feels a bit like an electric car off the
line. Doesnt make much racket; just goes. 11:1 compression.

I have a 2.65 lsd in the wagon now. It will be fun to see if it is traction
limited with the new 606 turbo setup.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:49 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 21:35:08 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Yes. His comment was "that car has a really low first gear!" My mother
> > spilled the beans about the stoplight drags. They are 77 this year, so I
> > guess no one is expecting anything to happen.
>
> Our '94 E420 had a lot of "get up and go", too. I once stopped in the
> road by the Los Alamos Golf Course (with no one else around!) and jammed
> the go pedal to the floor to show Shirley what it would do. Impressive.
>
> Is the the 2.82 diff the standard ratio?
>
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Re: [MBZ] oil grade for m119

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Yes. His comment was "that car has a really low first gear!" My mother
spilled the beans about the stoplight drags. They are 77 this year, so I
guess no one is expecting anything to happen.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 12:44 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:04:32 -0800 Karl W via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > My father is reliving his misspent youth in our e420 with the 2.82 diff
> > this week and noticed the oil pressure is low at idle. It is only
> > halfway down the stick but I figured I would send him to get it
> > changed. What oil do you guys run in these v8s? I am thinking 10w40 due
> > to the cool 50 degree weather we are having, rather than 15-50 or
> > whatever.
>
> U ... 0W-40.
>
>
> > Valvoline instant oil change did not have a filter for it, so I sent him
> > driving around indy shops as my mechanic is not an "instant" kind of
> > guy. As far as I know he is still out there, dusting motorcycles at
> > traffic lights until the rear end breaks loose.
>
> Reliving his misspent youth, as you said ...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Calling the Klebster for a Rescue!!

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I should think an m113k would be the motor to have in an r129. Did they do
an s55? That would be lots of fun.



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> $2300
>
> On 12/2/19 7:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On December 2, 2019 at 5:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Needs a wiring harness most likely, or some sensor is throwing a code
> >> that puts it in limp mode.  My SL600 has an intermittent fault that
> >> thinks it is skidding that will do that when I first start it,
> >> sometimes.  If I restart it a time or two it goes away.
> > Amazing you got that for $2700.
> > This is already over $2700 with buyer's premiums.
> > https://www.copart.com/lot/57387599
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Re: [MBZ] [OT] #SHARPSHOOTERS [WAS] Snow in Southern Climes

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Do these dudes need to graduate from sharpshooter school to apply for the
job?

When I lived in DC, I used to Hash through Rock Creek with the DC3 Hash
House Harriers. In fact there was an annual "Chandra Levy - Where Are You?"
run for several years, until her remains were actually located...in the
park. Probably ran by her several times, actually. I believe it was a
curious dog that finally located her remains. Tragedy, in any event.

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> We are paying sharpshooters to cull the herd in Rock Creek Park. You could
> probably slip in unnoticed and bag your limit in 30 minutes.
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>
> > We're supposed to get 3-5" Sunday night. I'm looking forward to it, deer
> > season starts Monday.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >   On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 4:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   We here in New Mexico have gotten snow,
> > as the attached pictures show.
> > I went outside and measured in several spots and found the depth of the
> > heavy, wet snow to be 7" (even on a trailer bed not in contact with the
> > ground). I have been in the process of shoveling.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > P.S. I don't need any wisecracks from you guys who don't have snow.
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Re: [MBZ] no traffic this AM - are you folks celebrating Thanksgiving early?

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Are these 95 cars diesels Max?

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 10:47 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Working, last efforts so I can be gone from work for a few days.
>
> I did install new shocks in my "new" '95 E300 over the weekend, and also a
> "new" trunk seal from LKQ.  Smokey is mostly ready for daily driving now,
> I'll work out the remaining nit-noids in what Andrew calls a "rolling
> restoration".  Paid the taxes and registration and new plate fee, all that
> added up to about $120, now I'm legal for a year.
>
> Anyone in the market for my "old" '95 E300?  It needs new front ball joints
> to be a driver, and an evapectomy if you want AC.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
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>
> > or scouting out Black Friday deals?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] hmmmm

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Yeah. The 300sl with the m119 and 500sl running gear seems like a much
better fit. I think the royals in Brunei had 11 of them retro modded by amg
to that spec.

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> >
> https://www.thedrive.com/news/23752/mad-scientists-graft-an-80s-mercedes-benz-190e-body-to-a-modern-c63-amg-chassis
> >
> >
> Cool, but a whole lot of effort for not much purpose.
>
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Re: [MBZ] The list

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I feel ok for the moment.

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Re: [MBZ] AZ Bob did not screw me over on a car deal

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If you switch the alternator pulley to the freewheel version, it will not
jiggle the spring to death at idle. But springs are pretty cheap.

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 4:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> All it takes is a tire iron/lug wrench, a couple of 13mm wrenches and a
> minute and you can swap the spring out.
>
> The lug wrench is the critical tool here.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:46:52 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I had a spring break.  Not a bad idea to carry a spare, or install new
> >> every 10 yrs or so as preventative.
> >>
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 11:24 AM:
> >>> I have had it happen to me about 3-4 times that I can remember. It is
> >>> probably a good idea considering it takes less than a minute to
> >>> install.
> >
> > So how does the spring work with the tensioner so it can be replaced in
> > less than a minute? It must be quite different than the OM602 tensioner.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Not Diesel

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah, the one time I made that mistake it was at a BP station. I looked it
up and cutting the diesel with gas was recommended for cold climates. I
only had a few gallons in I think, so I just filled the rest with diesel
and kept driving. It was after BP bought the station on P or Q street in
Dupont Circle in DC.

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 3:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Should be Illegal, since the goobers stick their noses into everything
> else, including your bedroom.
>
> Been a problem since BP took over Standard/Amoco/whatever stations in
> the 80s and installed green handles on Benzine pumps.
>
>
> Some places have yellow handles for Dissel.   Yellow has been adopted as
> the semi-standard color for E-85.   I've also seen yellow for E-15. It
> makes sense to standardize, and the INDUSTRY should do it, not the goobers.
>
>
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 3:23 PM:
> > Beware of green nozzles that aren't diesel...
> >
> > https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146014/6664-1163444.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Car not start

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You can download a phone app that will tell you noise levels. We use it at
parties or other kid establishments to show the owners when the music is
too loud for kids' ears.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 11:25 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Does not say how close to the jet to get 130 dB.Distance and engine
> HP, and engine generation all make big influences, as would number of
> engines.
>
> Similar caveats for gunshot.   12ga makes more noise than 410  2
> 1/2" Vs .22 short, vs cb cap, vs  bb cap.
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/15/19 8:55 PM:
> > On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:02:29 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Images are being stripped
> > They are?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Panic bidding for 240D Euro 5 speed on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I am on the same page. I have always viewed the cars as primary forms of
transportation but now the e420 with the short diff ratio has me spoiled
for modern power and even though the 123 wagon is probably in the best
condition of all of them, it may need to get liquidated to make room for a
w123 wagon/648 swap. Then everything on the yard will have plenty of wheel
torque (for the stoplight wars).

20 years of driving underpowered iron kept me out of trouble for the
mostpart, but it is time to live a little.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:27 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> I fear the reverse situation - a dwindling supply of us old guys who
> want cars like this. A bidder pays $15K or $20K for a car like this, and
> then passes on in a few years and his family cannot give the thing away
> because only the old fellow who died saw much value in it. Hopefully,
> the old fellow enjoyed it and did not see it as an investment.
> We are seeing this happen with a lot of things that our parents and
> grandparents collected. The younger folks don't have any wish to have it
> and the value plummets.
>
> My suggestion is, that if you have a dozen of these old Mercedes and you
> think it is an investment rather than just a collection of toys that you
> can afford, it is likely time to sell them and get the money out of them.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 14/11/2019 6:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > And dwindling supply
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 6:30 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The low mileage is key to these high prices.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Nov 14, 2019 5:10:21 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >>
> >>> A very stupid number. Bring a trailer ought to clamp down on crap like
> >> that.
> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 5:56 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Silly amount of money offered for an old car that does not even have
> AC.
>  One wonders what the reserve price was.
> 
>  Randy
> 
>  On 14/11/2019 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > With a cloth interior, no less... Currently at $15 K.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-16/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-11-14
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

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Diesels put out less co2 than gas motors. That is the only reason they are
still sold in europe, because they have co2 emissions standards to comply
with. The CEO of Daimler has said that CO2 emissions are the reason diesels
will continue to be offered in the lineup for some time. So I dont think it
is true that diesels are blamed for climate change. And Mercedes is not
stopping diesel production due to climate concerns. Quite the opposite.

It has been suggested that this is the wrong list for climate change
discussion, and I agree. Climate change has nothing to do with why I am on
the list and sorting through this non-topical content is a waste of my
time, whether I agree with what is being posted or not. If I want to debate
that stuff, I will subscribe to a climate change list.

My $0.02

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 3:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes content.
> While having nothing to do with politics.
> It is:
> The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public has
> had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
> are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
> be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued into
> the whole "global warming argument"...
> The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of future
> designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
> shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
> "global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
> forums.
>
> As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
> at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
> Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
> scientific investigation, it seems.
> Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was both
> flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better discussed
> elsewhere].
>
> Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
> what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them running
> and supported.
>
> Respectfully,
> G.Mann
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > That would be an illegal kickback subject to RICO.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:13 PM Kaleb Striplin 
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> > >
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> > > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT phone/internet and WSJ bills

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I put in a ubiquiti network at home with a cloud key, security gateway, a
poe switch for the cameras (DVR is in the cloud key), a couple of wifi
access points. Seems to work great. Best part is the app where I can block
and unblock every client on the network individually. I pi-holed all the ad
sites at the firewall so they just get rejected. But the more ipad clients
I block, the more books get read by everyone, and the happier we all are. I
have been putting off getting a short throw DLP and may just put it off
indefinitely. We have no TV currently.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 9:59 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Cut the cord on cable last month. Went from $220/month for
> phone/cable/Internet (undiscounted costs as we just went out of contract)
> down to a little over $100/month for nearly the same content, and no more
> land line.
>
> $60/month Internet (100/100)
> $50/month YouTube TV
> $5/month Tablo DVR
>
> This gives us a boatload of content through YouTube TV, over the air
> broadcasts with DVR functionality with the Tablo (also a feature of YTTV),
> and through various free applications like Pluto TV (400+ free channels).
>
> There’s minimal competition in this market, so if you want to pull the
> plug on your provider they just shrug their shoulders and tell you “Bye!”
> No effort for retention.
>
> Along with using Spectrum (Charter) for cable, we also moved from Verizon
> ($200/month for 4 lines) to Spectrum ($56/month for 4 lines) for our
> cellular service. Spectrum piggybacks on Verizon, so coverage is the same.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK so I was going to cancel my land line because all I get is spam
> calls, and keep my internet. ATT tells me just internet would be more than
> it costs as the portion of the bundle of voice+IP. BUT... they have a
> special bundle (which is the exact same bundle) for 45% less than I am
> paying now, and the total for Voice+IP will be less than I am paying now
> for the internet portion of my service, and would be less than internet
> service alone. Go figure. So I signed up for that. And they have some new
> spam blocker you can activate so I did that. It's worth a 15min call (even
> with all the impediments to getting a real person) to save $45/month.
> >
> > So then I decide that I don't have time to read the Wall Street Journal
> much any more, so I was going to cancel that and maybe just keep the
> digital subscription to read it on the app and online. But they have a
> 6month bundle of print+digital, available to existing subscribers, that is
> less than half what I am paying now for both, and is less than just the
> digital subscription. Go figure. Sign me up!
> >
> > So 30min on the phone saves me close to $70/month going forward.
> Reasonable return on my time I guess.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Oh my gosh the same guy ruined 2 nice cars

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It is a very tough paint. Linear polyurethane are like that. The
polyisocyanate stuff indices asthma over time. That's the toxic part. You
will never mistake the smell for any other paint. Like all paints there is
a learning curve. A rolled and tipped finish can be indistinguishable from
sprayed if done correctly.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 10:53 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> I read about it on a boating forum yesterday, apparently you can brush or
> roller it, but won't get the same finish that you do spraying it. You still
> need to put on your hazmat suit with positive ventilation, etc. as the
> stuff can kill you from either breathing it or skin contact.
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:57 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Can it be applied by roller or brush?
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Nov 11, 2019 11:16:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> > > Awlgrip is two part linear polyurethane. There is no better paint for
> > > boats, planes etc.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 7:22 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Awlgrip is its own thing, and it really does produce a remarkable,
> > durable
> > >> finish. Used on millions of sailboats, trains, busses. Never needs
> > waxing,
> > >> stays glossy and luxurious-looking for decades.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 04:00, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I will have to look up Awlgrip Marine Industrial Aircraft / Yacht
> paint
> > >>> to see what it really is.
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Re: [MBZ] Oh my gosh the same guy ruined 2 nice cars

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Awlgrip is two part linear polyurethane. There is no better paint for
boats, planes etc.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 7:22 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
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> Awlgrip is its own thing, and it really does produce a remarkable, durable
> finish. Used on millions of sailboats, trains, busses. Never needs waxing,
> stays glossy and luxurious-looking for decades.
>
> > On Nov 11, 2019, at 04:00, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> > I will have to look up Awlgrip Marine Industrial Aircraft / Yacht paint
> > to see what it really is.
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

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Or this

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/714281915755890/?ref=browse_tab_query=Mercedes

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:27 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2404168306500307/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Random/stupid question:

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The injectors will not support a huge amount of fuel. You would need to
retrofit the cp3 pump from the v8 cdi, buy some new custom injectors, and
totally remap the ecu.

For maybe 350hp you can just upgrade the turbo, intercooler and remap.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 4:10 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Random/stupid question:
>
> What is the best/easiest way to make my E320 CDI (648) roll coal?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300TD engages another bidding war on BAT

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Man the jack points were rusted on that thing. That seller is making a
career of flipping wagons.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 8:18 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sold for $35K.  Unbelievable.
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> > Beige/palomino wagon with an inoperable cruise control.   I may just have
> > to tart up my wagon and sell into the frenzy.
> >
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-17/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-11-06
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Re: [MBZ] FB123 Pierre Responds

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Let's start our own FBG. We can call it "Banned from w123 North America"
with the following motto: "The ethical place for a just person in an unjust
FB Group is in FayBee Jail"

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 12:46 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Lord don’t use the term rice burner or you will really offend that Ian
> moron and he will ban you. I am really surprised they have not gotten rid
> of Pierre yet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Not for the faint of heart or easily offended. Some vulgarity and
> exceedingly passionate language.
> >
> > Note to Kaleb.
> > Don't ever let Pierre near Okie acres. He won't like to see dozens of
> restorable Benz rusting in pieces.
> >
> > These comments are from two separate threads, and possibly not in order.
> >
> > Pierre is a driven man, passionate about the marque.
> >
> > Rick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] FB123 Pierre Responds

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Gosh. It is so refreshing to see someone call a spade a spade.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 12:11 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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>
> Not for the faint of heart or easily offended. Some vulgarity and
> exceedingly passionate language.
>
> Note to Kaleb.
> Don't ever let Pierre near Okie acres. He won't like to see dozens of
> restorable Benz rusting in pieces.
>
> These comments are from two separate threads, and possibly not in order.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Oh I see. I thought you meant MB offers a kit for all the arms. Thanks.

I just did this rear suspension job with all mb stuff. Spring compressor
never showed up but didnt need it in the end.

The rear subframe mounts are a 202 part now, which doesnt use the old
hardware. You need new little plates. The bolts are about the same length
but everyone says to buy new ones which are m14 etorx. So be sure to have
some etorx sockets on hand. That comes as a separate kit.

I think this lemfoerder arm kit is quite a bit cheaper than MB:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-control-arm-kit-rear-with-hardware-e320-cl430-oem-w124rskit?ads_cmpid=6946000685_adid=80629812860_matchtype=_network=u_creative=389889586254_term=_targetid=pla-312297131026_campaign=_source=adwords_medium=ppc=2=Cj0KCQiAtf_tBRDtARIsAIbAKe3dx4Xegq9jk3oY0F74_2YRgHdkJQJLBn7dq0mn9bBCUjjKTCBsL6AaAtfOEALw_wcB

The original lemfoerder kit is available here from the UK on Amazon for
much less though; it lists it as a w202 part but I think it is the same.
Lots of guys in the UK seem to have used it on 124 cars:

https://www.amazon.com/Lemforder-3350001-Suspension-Link-Stabiliser/dp/B00CQ6QEV0


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 5:14 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The wheel carrier bushing, the “220” number, is the one that's the kit.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there an actual part number for a kit from mercedes Dan? The
> adjustable
> > toe links are nla I think, as well as the front diff mount. Those carrier
> > bearings are spherical and over 100 apiece from MB; not sure what they
> run
> > aftermarket but it might be a place to save a little cash.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 4:58 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The kit is what Mercedes provides as well, it’s not just the bushing.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Lemfoerder makes a kit with all of it except maybe lower control arms.
> >> Not
> >>> sure if the carrier bearings are included, but they also make those.
> Nice
> >>> thing is the kit usually comes with new hardware. FCP euro also has a
> kit
> >>> but I dont know what brand.
> >>>
> >>> I think I have a set of diff mounts in a box that I will never use if
> you
> >>> want them just let me know I will delmi them for less than what I paid.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Looks like the bushing that is in the wheel carrier is a 220 352 02 27
> >>>> "supporting joint”.
> >>>>
> >>>> The front differential mount is a 124 351 13 42 “rubber mounting”
> >>>>
> >>>> The two rear or cylindrical differential mounts are a 124 352 77 65
> >>>> “mount, axle subframe".
> >>>>
> >>>> I show that Lemförder still makes all of these parts, but they also
> are
> >>>> available from Mercedes for nearly the same price.
> >>>>
> >>>> -D
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am putting together a list of part numbers for 124 rear suspension
> >>>> parts so I can compare prices form various sources.  I can't find a
> >> couple
> >>>> things in the MB Stealer diagrams/lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone have part numbers for:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.  Diff Mount bushings (2 at the rear of the diff)
> >>>>> 2.  LCA outer bushings  (in the wheel carrier)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
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> the
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

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Is there an actual part number for a kit from mercedes Dan? The adjustable
toe links are nla I think, as well as the front diff mount. Those carrier
bearings are spherical and over 100 apiece from MB; not sure what they run
aftermarket but it might be a place to save a little cash.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 4:58 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The kit is what Mercedes provides as well, it’s not just the bushing.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Lemfoerder makes a kit with all of it except maybe lower control arms.
> Not
> > sure if the carrier bearings are included, but they also make those. Nice
> > thing is the kit usually comes with new hardware. FCP euro also has a kit
> > but I dont know what brand.
> >
> > I think I have a set of diff mounts in a box that I will never use if you
> > want them just let me know I will delmi them for less than what I paid.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like the bushing that is in the wheel carrier is a 220 352 02 27
> >> "supporting joint”.
> >>
> >> The front differential mount is a 124 351 13 42 “rubber mounting”
> >>
> >> The two rear or cylindrical differential mounts are a 124 352 77 65
> >> “mount, axle subframe".
> >>
> >> I show that Lemförder still makes all of these parts, but they also are
> >> available from Mercedes for nearly the same price.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am putting together a list of part numbers for 124 rear suspension
> >> parts so I can compare prices form various sources.  I can't find a
> couple
> >> things in the MB Stealer diagrams/lists.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have part numbers for:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  Diff Mount bushings (2 at the rear of the diff)
> >>> 2.  LCA outer bushings  (in the wheel carrier)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> When it is complete, I will send a copy to anyone interested and/or the
> >> list.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Lemfoerder makes a kit with all of it except maybe lower control arms. Not
sure if the carrier bearings are included, but they also make those. Nice
thing is the kit usually comes with new hardware. FCP euro also has a kit
but I dont know what brand.

I think I have a set of diff mounts in a box that I will never use if you
want them just let me know I will delmi them for less than what I paid.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looks like the bushing that is in the wheel carrier is a 220 352 02 27
> "supporting joint”.
>
> The front differential mount is a 124 351 13 42 “rubber mounting”
>
> The two rear or cylindrical differential mounts are a 124 352 77 65
> “mount, axle subframe".
>
> I show that Lemförder still makes all of these parts, but they also are
> available from Mercedes for nearly the same price.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am putting together a list of part numbers for 124 rear suspension
> parts so I can compare prices form various sources.  I can't find a couple
> things in the MB Stealer diagrams/lists.
> >
> > Does anyone have part numbers for:
> >
> > 1.  Diff Mount bushings (2 at the rear of the diff)
> > 2.  LCA outer bushings  (in the wheel carrier)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > When it is complete, I will send a copy to anyone interested and/or the
> list.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The roadster got a better rear suspension than the gull wing (!). Of course
the roadster was a later car, introduced in 1957. Some sort of compensating
spring was added.

fundamental improvement: the rear-axle suspension. The single-joint
low-pivot swing axle – familiar from the 220 W – was installed in the 300
SL Roadster in an adapted form, being equipped for the first time with a
compensating spring. This greatly improved the handling characteristics
over those of the original swing axle of the Gullwing coupé.

From:
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 9:41 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Hmmm - I wonder what the rear suspension of the 300SL ws like? Surely it
> wasn't a swing axle?
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of transplants:  I always contended a 114/115 rear subframe
> > could be made to work in a 110/111 body.   I did end up with a 115
> > junker 12 years ago, but was not able to deal with getting the rear
> > subframe out.  Benefit, would be moving fmor a single (center) pivot
> > rear axle (Think 60 VW Bug) to fully independent rear suspension we know
> > and love on 123, 126, 116, 126, 107 etc, and newer.
> >
> > since in the one track experience I had on the 200D, the rear axle
> > buckled under and rear-steered the car sideways, I've been very careful
> > about keeping the axle nearly straight and not corning too hard with a
> > light load.   On the track we had to remove everything from the trunk,
> > and that raised the rear of the car and make the rear axle halves slope
> > down to the wheel.  THat set up the physics that made the outside wheel
> > forced down and jacked up the rear of the car leading to the sideways on
> > the track situation.   With my toolbox and the jack, spare tire and
> > lugwrench in the trunk, the axle was more near straight, and the car
> > will corner well.The "Track safety" regulations (nothing in the
> > trunk) led directly to creating an unsafe situation.   Fully independent
> > rear suspension would eliminate the problem that led to being crossways
> > in the track.
> >
> >
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I just took some pics of one on a hoist the other day, but I think I was
focused on the interior. To remove the transmission you have to remove the
radio and a bunch of other stuff as I think it comes out the top. That is
what this particular car was in for.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 9:41 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Hmmm - I wonder what the rear suspension of the 300SL ws like? Surely it
> wasn't a swing axle?
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of transplants:  I always contended a 114/115 rear subframe
> > could be made to work in a 110/111 body.   I did end up with a 115
> > junker 12 years ago, but was not able to deal with getting the rear
> > subframe out.  Benefit, would be moving fmor a single (center) pivot
> > rear axle (Think 60 VW Bug) to fully independent rear suspension we know
> > and love on 123, 126, 116, 126, 107 etc, and newer.
> >
> > since in the one track experience I had on the 200D, the rear axle
> > buckled under and rear-steered the car sideways, I've been very careful
> > about keeping the axle nearly straight and not corning too hard with a
> > light load.   On the track we had to remove everything from the trunk,
> > and that raised the rear of the car and make the rear axle halves slope
> > down to the wheel.  THat set up the physics that made the outside wheel
> > forced down and jacked up the rear of the car leading to the sideways on
> > the track situation.   With my toolbox and the jack, spare tire and
> > lugwrench in the trunk, the axle was more near straight, and the car
> > will corner well.The "Track safety" regulations (nothing in the
> > trunk) led directly to creating an unsafe situation.   Fully independent
> > rear suspension would eliminate the problem that led to being crossways
> > in the track.
> >
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Has anyone on this list ever actually done a drivetrain swap? I'm thinking
there is far too much common sense around here for that.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 9:14 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Yeah I was thinking of you on that one.  Offer him $500 cash, put the
> diesel drivetrain in and yer good
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/1/19 11:51 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I may have to check on that...
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Fri Nov 01 10:25:06 EDT 2019 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/
> >>
> >> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
> >> Conway, SC· about a day ago
> >> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/?ref=product_details
> >·
> >>
> >> $750
> >>
> >>   * About This Vehicle
> >>   *
> >>
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Driven 193,272 miles
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Automatic transmission
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Good condition
> >>   
> >>
> >>   *
> >>   How This Price Compares
> >>   Kelley Blue Book®
> >>   <
> https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kbb.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1WvEniJP_93rhnBefGWmsVXliMZGFL8WSZt4dVUI_RODIz8s9n7GoL80I=AT1HPd9KfINGNaf3mRZXm5oJlKX7GQSeJnjnM9HKzFew3B9QTS6-Af34dh51o8Ytmg9UosvVlw48TMPzMXjqNIW7rETHF3kNKQvaVR2ETwnWvs-tJfxrEXUFri0e90c7SHjd2Gn9
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> >>   *
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Seller's Description
> >>
> >> Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these
> >> no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it
> >> to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!!
> >> Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less
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[MBZ] 2003 500 sedan in LA

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Just in case anyone wants one:

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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except
the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 plus
shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New
fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier,
plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a
diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx
socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts.
New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar
links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom
and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put
rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers,
rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the
end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder,
dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually,
in terms of price.
I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8
cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have
to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been
done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth?

OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone.

Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding
labor.

New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli,
euro style, 450.  No labor included.

New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of
dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses.

Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine
paying that labor in DC or any other major city.

You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe
starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and
the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling
the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff
on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a
subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has
to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new.

This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals,
plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for
the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it
happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the
fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210.

Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and
nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky.

I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified
aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you
want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the
daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as
time allows.



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 6:21 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have
> to agree with Jaime.  I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once.  That
> is a FAR superior way to do it.   In the end, the last 2 times I did the
> rear of 124s, I did it all at once.   I won't do piecemeal anymore,
> unless it is a short term emergency.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM:
> > Sure.  If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair
> issues
> > on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] All electric cars

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I can buy a lot of diesel for what a model 3 costs.

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 7:42 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> 55 gal drum of electrons?
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:47 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that is a major point of electric cars: no trips to the filling
>> station. Unless you drive long distance, which most people dont. Neighbor
>> had a Cmax for awhile with a 40 mile range. He drove it 37 miles wo work
>> every day, plugged it in, and drove it home again after work. Never went
>> to
>> the gas station at all.
>>
>> I like the 55gal drum idea.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 1:18 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I haul it in the F150 - unload it, and fill whatever needs to be filled
>> > (airplane and mowers). No, it doesn't extend the range of a given
>> vehicle,
>> > but it does extend the time between visits to  fueling station ...
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:08 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > But that 55 gallon drum looks silly in the trunk of your Mercedes, or
>> do
>> > > you tow it around on its own little trailer behind the car?
>> > >
>> > > Randy
>> > >
>> > > On 29/10/2019 3:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > > I fill a 55 gal. drum with fuel and dispense it with a hand pump.
>> Might
>> > > > have to get an electric one some day, but this works and is simple.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:56 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
>> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> That did give me very bad ideas
>> > > >>
>> > > >> clay
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>> What you really needed, was the auxiliary tank that mounted in
>> the
>> > > >> trunk!
>> > > >>> That 240D slug we had, with the aux tank in the trunk, easily had
>> a
>> > > 1000
>> > > >> mile
>> > > >>> range.  Clay even saw it once, on the trip where we verified the
>> 1000
>> > > >> mile
>> > > >>> range!
>> > > >>>
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>> >
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>> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >
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>> who
>> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> > for themselves."
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Suffice it to say I think Jaime's standards are a bit more particular than
yours Andrew. Only guessing of course...


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 7:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Why so much?  Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be  easily done under
> $1k if you are the least bit handy.
>
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>
> > This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more.
> > This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and
> > > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect
> these
> > > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance
> dollars
> > on
> > > them, which is what they will need to do.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum
> > locks.
> > > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied.  White with blue genuine
> > leather
> > > > seats.  Where will this end?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] All electric cars

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah, that is a major point of electric cars: no trips to the filling
station. Unless you drive long distance, which most people dont. Neighbor
had a Cmax for awhile with a 40 mile range. He drove it 37 miles wo work
every day, plugged it in, and drove it home again after work. Never went to
the gas station at all.

I like the 55gal drum idea.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 1:18 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I haul it in the F150 - unload it, and fill whatever needs to be filled
> (airplane and mowers). No, it doesn't extend the range of a given vehicle,
> but it does extend the time between visits to  fueling station ...
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:08 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But that 55 gallon drum looks silly in the trunk of your Mercedes, or do
> > you tow it around on its own little trailer behind the car?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > On 29/10/2019 3:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I fill a 55 gal. drum with fuel and dispense it with a hand pump. Might
> > > have to get an electric one some day, but this works and is simple.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:56 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That did give me very bad ideas
> > >>
> > >> clay
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  What you really needed, was the auxiliary tank that mounted in the
> > >> trunk!
> > >>> That 240D slug we had, with the aux tank in the trunk, easily had a
> > 1000
> > >> mile
> > >>> range.  Clay even saw it once, on the trip where we verified the 1000
> > >> mile
> > >>> range!
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Jim
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> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

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The cop enforcing our fire evacuation didnt let me in today, but he went on
and on about how great my car is and how I should never sell it. I was like
"great. Now can I go get some underwear?" No luck.

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> Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks.
> Otherwise, appears to have been babied.  White with blue genuine leather
> seats.  Where will this end?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

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10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and
maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect these
cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance dollars on
them, which is what they will need to do.

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> Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks.
> Otherwise, appears to have been babied.  White with blue genuine leather
> seats.  Where will this end?
>
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

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I checked it on the e420 and they were pretty flat. I think you just dont
want to have them all the way down.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 4:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was supposed
> to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready to drive"
> condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids topped up,
> spare tire and tools in place).  I think that the rear axles have just a
> slight downward angle in this position?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:44 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Yeah, they came out fine. Getting them back in without a compressor is
> the
> > question. One is supposed to torque all the bolts with the axles
> > horizontal; this means all the bushings are holding the control arms up
> > when the subframe is bolted back in. If you put the springs in before
> > jacking the subframe up, you are now fighting the bushing torque as the
> > springs push down on it all. Getting the bolts started is hard
> > enough without that. So I bolted the frame in, but now there is no way to
> > get the springs back in without a compressor.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock
> > > unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've
> > > done it on the 124.
> > >
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
> > > > Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
> > > > everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am
> > doing
> > > > that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my
> 100lb
> > > kid
> > > > standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

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Yeah, they came out fine. Getting them back in without a compressor is the
question. One is supposed to torque all the bolts with the axles
horizontal; this means all the bushings are holding the control arms up
when the subframe is bolted back in. If you put the springs in before
jacking the subframe up, you are now fighting the bushing torque as the
springs push down on it all. Getting the bolts started is hard
enough without that. So I bolted the frame in, but now there is no way to
get the springs back in without a compressor.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock
> unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've
> done it on the 124.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
> > Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
> > everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am doing
> > that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb
> kid
> > standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
> >
> >
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[MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am doing
that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb kid
standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 4:49 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> Scam ad or desperate seller?
> Looks better than my 2003 350, and I'd ask $2500 for that.
> Mitch.
>
>
> > On October 27, 2019 at 2:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/goose-creek-2000-amg-ml55-mercedes-benz/7008142749.html
> >
> > 2000 AMG ML55 Mercedes-Benz with 160,000 original miles runs and drives
> > great very clean inside and out this is a very beautiful and rare car
> > Comes with all the same features as a G wagon complete AMG package
> > including rims body kit motor trans everything all original only asking
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Re: [MBZ] GM Trying to Shame It's Employees

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Man how is it possible that Tesla has market cap higher than GM? Tesla is
at 53B, GM at 51B. Maybe Tesla will figure out how to make money reliably
soon. Which would help justify things.

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 3:42 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Interesting to watch, not just for the commentary but to see all the old
> cars…
>
> https://youtu.be/K7tzuZQ24TE 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nuts

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On a related note, Anybody know where to buy the little black nylon nut
that holds the fuel pump shield onto the bottom of a w124 ahead of the
right rear wheel?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 6:54 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> A new user for the term "Nuts to you!".
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Thu Oct 24 23:21:13 EDT 2019 Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > Does Tire Rotation Include Tightening Lug Nuts? Michigan Court Thinks
> About It For Awhile, Concludes 'No'
> >
> >
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/does-tire-rotation-include-tightening-lug-nuts-michigan-court-thinks-about-it-for-awhile-concludes-no/ar-AAJcuaB
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[MBZ] (no subject)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Coworker's car got totalled in a hit and run. It was an older tiguan. Paid
off, seven years old. So she is looking for transportation.

I told her she could have the 90k 1994 e420 for 5k, and that her husband
would be jealous because it is faster than his Audi. She was game, but his
response was 1994? NO WAY. Of course his payment on a used audi is over
500/mo and the AC fan whines but is too expensive to fix.

She is all about no payment. He is the fiscal fool in the relationship
apparently. I dont know if a v8 w124 is the greatest kid hauler around, but
it will only appreciate and one could surely do much worse. Even the
headliner is new now, ignition switch, turn stalk, 2.82 diff, yada yada. I
think it needs a new toe link in back because it is eating that tire, but
my gosh - why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?
Death by a thousand cuts.



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:55 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> I drive right past BH mercedes twice a day so it is a natural option and
> making two trips is easy.
>
> Of course aftermarket is often best, so it doesnt help for that stuff.
>
> Tom Hanson gives a nice wholesale discount and ships of course and is very
> responsive.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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>
>> I haven't tried that, but in the past when I've gone in to our local
>> dealer, which is a long drive on the other side of town, their deal was
>> pay
>> in advance and then make another trip later when the parts arrive to pick
>> them up.
>>
>> No thanks is my reply to that deal, my time is more valuable, I'd rather
>> order on line and have them delivered to my home, and the price is usually
>> better.
>>
>> If they were closer or on my usual commute route, I might go down that
>> path
>> and develop a nice relationship (Dan told me all his secrets, among them
>> are pizza and donut deliveries) but given the geography as it stands, not
>> worth it to me.
>>
>> Dealer recently opened a branch location just a few miles away, very
>> convenient, I need to stop by and see if they have a parts desk.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Just print out the part list with all the prices from whatever website
>> you
>> > like, walk into the dealer and tell them you want these parts and will
>> they
>> > match the price. They arent going to say no.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:25 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > Or just get your local dealer to match the discount and dont pay any
>> > > shipping at all.
>> > >
>> > > Good luck with that.
>> > > That is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
>> > > I was able to talk them into 10% after my first thousand dollars in
>> > parts,
>> > > and 20% after twenty five hundred in parts. I just order online.
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] buying parts is starting to suck

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I drive right past BH mercedes twice a day so it is a natural option and
making two trips is easy.

Of course aftermarket is often best, so it doesnt help for that stuff.

Tom Hanson gives a nice wholesale discount and ships of course and is very
responsive.

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> I haven't tried that, but in the past when I've gone in to our local
> dealer, which is a long drive on the other side of town, their deal was pay
> in advance and then make another trip later when the parts arrive to pick
> them up.
>
> No thanks is my reply to that deal, my time is more valuable, I'd rather
> order on line and have them delivered to my home, and the price is usually
> better.
>
> If they were closer or on my usual commute route, I might go down that path
> and develop a nice relationship (Dan told me all his secrets, among them
> are pizza and donut deliveries) but given the geography as it stands, not
> worth it to me.
>
> Dealer recently opened a branch location just a few miles away, very
> convenient, I need to stop by and see if they have a parts desk.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Just print out the part list with all the prices from whatever website
> you
> > like, walk into the dealer and tell them you want these parts and will
> they
> > match the price. They arent going to say no.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:25 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > Or just get your local dealer to match the discount and dont pay any
> > > shipping at all.
> > >
> > > Good luck with that.
> > > That is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
> > > I was able to talk them into 10% after my first thousand dollars in
> > parts,
> > > and 20% after twenty five hundred in parts. I just order online.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] buying parts is starting to suck

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Just print out the part list with all the prices from whatever website you
like, walk into the dealer and tell them you want these parts and will they
match the price. They arent going to say no.

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>
> > Or just get your local dealer to match the discount and dont pay any
> shipping at all.
>
> Good luck with that.
> That is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
> I was able to talk them into 10% after my first thousand dollars in parts,
> and 20% after twenty five hundred in parts. I just order online.
>
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Re: [MBZ] buying parts is starting to suck

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Or just get your local dealer to match the discount and dont pay any
shipping at all.

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> I've been buying from the first on that list, parts hub, and they've been
> pretty good about answering questions via email and helping me track down
> part numbers for small obscure stuff.  Shipping is not too bad for me as
> they are in Daytona FL.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:06 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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>
> > Comprehensive? No, however here are a few.
> >
> > 31% off list.
> > https://www.mercedespartshub.com/
> >
> > 27.4% off list.
> > https://www.mbdirectparts.com/
> >
> > 26% off list.
> > https://www.mboemparts.com/
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] AC compressor engage signal on a euro 123 wagon

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OK thanks Curley. Will let you know how it goes.

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 9:04 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Mit Klima, or Sans Klima?If it has Klima, that is where you start.
> Klima relay fails often.
>
> Otherwise, I'd start at the plug closest to the clutch.   Likely if you
> have voltage there when the clutch should be engaged, the clutch coil is
> bad.   If no volts there, every case I have encountered has been a Klima
> relay gone over the hill.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/19/19 9:33 PM:
> > OK hypothetically if I needed to pull the climate control signal for the
> > A/C compressor clutch off a euro 123 wagon control unit, where would I
> > begin looking for the signal?
> >
> > WDB 123 193 120 14388
> >
> > It is the older style unit with the vertical buttons in the middle. I
> guess
> > I need to do some reading on how these control units typically fail and
> how
> > to test/troubleshoot them.
> >
> > This motor is from a 2006 320 cdi, so it is a bit of a hybrid.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karl
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Buzzing sound in $600E320

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Yes the little suction fan is under the passenger side of the dash and the
tube runs up the A pillar and across. Apparently they disintegrate over
time. My little fan honked like a goose, but that noise was from under the
dash. If it is coming from the visor area it must be a suction phenomenon
related to the tube falling apart.

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> It sounds like a kazoo. I’ll try to check it out
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The 126 had such an arrangement.  A hose from the blower sucked air past
> the thermistor by the rear-view mirror.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:31 PM
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> >> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> >> Subject: [MBZ] Buzzing sound in $600E320
> >>
> >> There is this constant buzzing sound coming from up around the
> >> mirror/lights/air sensor? thingie. I’m not sure what the little vent
> thing does. Is
> >> air sucked into it as a thermometer function?  It sorta sounds like it
> could be
> >> like that and there’s some constriction in it.
> >>
> >> Or maybe some relays for the lights?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Icon makes new land rover copies now I think. I saw one earlier today. Over
100k for sure.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 6:51 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Yes my 1973 Land Rover was a REAL 4wd. Used to go over snowed over
> stonewalls on fire calls
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> > I agree with Max.   Form follows function.  However 100K plus for a
> > 4x4 is stupid.4x4s have gone off the rails since GM chopped off a
> > pickup and tried to pass it off as a 4x4.   Ford fatso continued the
> > problem.   (as did the dogde rumchugger)
> >
> >
> > These are examples of what a 4x4 should look like:
> >
> >
> >
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1962/international_harvester/scout/101214337
> >
> > Or
> >
> >
> >
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1967/land_rover/series_ii/101204715
> >
> > or
> >
> >
> >
> http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/ford/506806-1966-ford-bronco-u14-u100-half-cab-pickup-4x4-steel-hardtop-4wd-suv-bimini-top.html
> >
> > Or
> >
> > https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1960/ford/f100/100987993
> >
> > Or
> >
> > http://www.m201.com/bantam.htm
> >
> > Oh!  And I forgot the Dogde Power wagon of the 40s -60s  and the WC3
> > made in WWII seen here
> > https://www.usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Chrysler/dodge-trucks.htm
> > (Scroll down)
> >
> > And, if you need something heavier, the IH R series 6x6 (or 10x10)
> >
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 6:35 PM:
> > > And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck
> > should look.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

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Attractions are as follows:

1. Better resale than any car pretty much
2. 5000lbs
3. Pretty durable. Lots of guys driving them hundreds of thousands of
miles. Except the rust factor.
4. Can tow and offroad with the best; 3 diff locks.
5. Pretty good on the highway. Nothing steers like a solid front axle.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:24 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Ditto.
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I personally do not see the attraction. They are ugly boxes.
> > I would much rather have a big old Mercedes diesel sedan and a newer
> > domestic SUV with 4 wheel drive,  for a whole lot less money.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 17/10/2019 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/
> > >
> > > 2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class G 65 AMG Sport Utility 4D
> > > Myrtle Beach, SC· about a day ago
> > > <
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/?ref=product_details
> >·
> >
> > >
> > > $123,000
> > >
> > >  * About This Vehicle
> > >  *
> > >
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Driven 10,461 miles
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Automatic transmission
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Excellent condition
> > > 
> > >
> > >  * Typical Features
> > >  *
> > >
> > >  *
> > >Leather Seats
> > >  *
> > >Moon Roof
> > >  *
> > >Navigation
> > >  *
> > >Bluetooth
> > >  *
> > >
> > > Seller's Description
> > >
> > > You can pay in all, or monthly.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

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Yes but actually all ventilators have built in battery backup so no one
pays much attention until the power actually fails and then they prioritize
which machines most need the red outlets.

We had a weird thing on backup last year where the hospital is fed by three
separate lines so getting them all shut off was an exercise no one had done
recently and it took awhile to get the generators online. They upped the
drill frequency after that.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 11:17 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> NFPA 110 requirement, especially for hospitals or any Level 1 life safety
> facility. Red outlets and covers designate a branch circuit connected to
> backup power source(s). Gotta make sure Grandpa’s respirator is plugged in
> to one of these….
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular
> color
> > outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if starting
> > from scratch at home.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit
> confused.
> >> It appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in
> the
> >> house by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.
> >>
> >> Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also
> >> limited to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.
> >>
> >> Seems like sort of a kludge.
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Solar power, wes:] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

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They have done several iterations of this thing so they seem to be able to
get stuff to market. Companies are using kickstarter to gauge demand these
days.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 10:56 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> I like this thing as well - but is it still vaporware???
> Also - looks like the grid down feasture only powers a dedicated circuit,
> not general use circuits since it has no grid disconnect  capability.
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it would
> > limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just because
> > the grid is down.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage
> >
> >
> > --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

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Yeah, I havent read through it all. I would think you could just shut off
the mains somehow automagically if the power fails and trip over to
batteries or a generator. My uncle was a hog farmer and his gen set did
that. But for a long time it was run out and fire up the Farmall and the
pto generator.

Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular color
outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if starting
from scratch at home.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit confused.
> It appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in the
> house by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.
>
> Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also
> limited to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.
>
> Seems like sort of a kludge.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 10:35 AM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > From what I have read of the manual, this thing plugs into an outlet on
> one of the circuits of your breaker panel and then feeds back into the
> panel. The bad part of that is when the power goes out and you have the
> battery backup off grid controller and inverter installed when the power
> goes out then you have to plug anything that you want running  into the
> inverter. When the power comes back on the inverter goes off line and
> nothing plugged into will work so everything has to be plugged back into
> the outlets that they were originally in.
> >
> > That said, If the power company meter readers see the solar setup they
> will probably report that and the utility company will have some questions
> for you and may even disconnect your electricity from the Grid till you are
> in compliance with their regulations and have the system inspected. Could
> be a whole bunch of problems going all the way back to the building
> inspectors office possibly including fines for non inspection etc.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > However for a cabin in the woods with no grid power I can see it as a
> great idea.
> >
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Karl - I like the idea of this one: all the equipment is on the house
> side
> >> of the meter, so electric company only sees a reduction in your usage.
> I
> >> did not study their claimed ROI, so economics aside...
> >> If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general
> contractor,
> >> and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like Dan in FL be able
> to
> >> do this without consequence?
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it
> would
> >>> limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just
> because
> >>> the grid is down.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

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Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it would
limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just because
the grid is down.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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Some similar options:
https://m.facebook.com/search/top/?q=datsun%20pickup=content_filter=0.6612099121608328=typeahead

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 5:10 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> My point precisely. If you think the Grand Canyon is forbidding, remote or
> unimproved, you need to recalibrate your definitions of those terms. If a
> bunch of Bedouin with no formal mechanical training can run these things in
> the open desert, to the near exclusion of any other sort of vehicle at all,
> for decades, it speaks volumes about the efficiency, reliability and
> repairability of said trucks. Not to mention that they are lightweight and
> easy to get unstuck with a sand ladder or two. They are basically a Willys
> jeep without 4wd, only better. Parts are literally everywhere. The
> Datsun/Nissan equivalent is also a fine vehicle.
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 4:33 PM MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long
>> should it last to be considered good?
>> As long as a Mercedes?
>>
>> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since
>> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4
>> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>>
>> Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One
>> COP and the rear wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced
>> the belts and hoses twice just because. That's
>> it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?
>>
>> Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had
>> so little work needed done to them over 330K miles
>> which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or
>> burn oil.
>>
>> Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to
>> get it up to not even near that good a condition.
>>
>> Get one of them and run it and see how good it is
>> before you run them down on the say so of idiots
>> that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to
>> it and expect it to last a million miles without
>> an oil change.
>>
>> Bunch of wankers!
>>
>>
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting
>> even though it’s also cheap crap.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name
>> never stuck here in the US.
>> >>
>> >> Curt
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >>
>> >>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would
>> raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.
>> >>
>> >> This too, will pass.
>> >>
>> >> -D
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most
>> junkyards to find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the
>> ocean they rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>> >>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me
>> to put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>> got.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop
>> me a PM and I’ll pass it along.
>> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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My point precisely. If you think the Grand Canyon is forbidding, remote or
unimproved, you need to recalibrate your definitions of those terms. If a
bunch of Bedouin with no formal mechanical training can run these things in
the open desert, to the near exclusion of any other sort of vehicle at all,
for decades, it speaks volumes about the efficiency, reliability and
repairability of said trucks. Not to mention that they are lightweight and
easy to get unstuck with a sand ladder or two. They are basically a Willys
jeep without 4wd, only better. Parts are literally everywhere. The
Datsun/Nissan equivalent is also a fine vehicle.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 4:33 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:

> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long
> should it last to be considered good?
> As long as a Mercedes?
>
> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since
> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4
> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>
> Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One
> COP and the rear wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced
> the belts and hoses twice just because. That's
> it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?
>
> Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had
> so little work needed done to them over 330K miles
> which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or
> burn oil.
>
> Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to
> get it up to not even near that good a condition.
>
> Get one of them and run it and see how good it is
> before you run them down on the say so of idiots
> that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to
> it and expect it to last a million miles without
> an oil change.
>
> Bunch of wankers!
>
>
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> > Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even
> though it’s also cheap crap.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never
> stuck here in the US.
> >>
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would
> raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.
> >>
> >> This too, will pass.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most
> junkyards to find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the
> ocean they rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
> >>>
> >>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>  Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> 
>  Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop
> me a PM and I’ll pass it along.
> 
>  -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hilux, unless the bat fj40 crowd
has discovered them. Lightweight, simple, efficient, easily maintained,
durable. It was the unofficial vehicle for pretty much all the Bedouin in
Saudi in the 70s, except the bootleggers who drove GMC pickups with marine
454 motors.

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>
> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>
> And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
> the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the
> states. Try BaT.
> > When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got
> smarter in the last couple years".
> >
> > Hang in there dad, it will get better.
> >
> > https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
> >
> > Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> >
> > Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
> PM and I’ll pass it along.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

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Hey. I resemble that remark.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 10:27 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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>  I could care less about the morally and socially bankrupt LA crowd.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 11, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >
> > That's why anybody with a penchant for honesty calls them REVs, or
> remote emissions vehicles.
> > The goal is to clean up L.A. county by moving the vehicle emissions out
> of L.A., but it's of zero benefit to the planet.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On October 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> No that’s not the end of the story because the emissions from a Tesla
> are not zero! Electricity generation causes emissions. Period, end of
> story! Ok now that’s the end of the story!
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Re: [MBZ] Painting my alloy wheels.

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Fuchs stuff is forged - not cast. But I still would not sandblast it.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 2:18 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
wrote:

> DO NOT SAND BLAST
>
> the wheels are cast, soft, and have voids that will be exposed under that
> intense abrasive action.  Soda blasting is about as vigorous as I would
> attempt.  Best to completely wash and remove the old finish by hand with a
> chemical stripper or sanding paper.  Get it fresh and smooth, then you
> could use body fillers to adjust any micro damage.  Give that a finish sand
> and prep it for primer coats.  AT that point a rattle can or hvlp gun
> application of paint and clear and be done.
>
>
> clay
>
> > On Oct 6, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Take them somewhere to get sandblasted then prime and paint
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 10/6/19 12:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Thanks. Do I need to prime it?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 12:02 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Würth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Sent: October 6, 2019 10:04 AM
> >>> To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> >>> Subject: [MBZ] Painting my alloy wheels.
> >>>
> >>> Going to attempt to refinish my spare set of alloy wheels by power
> washing
> >>> them, thoroughly drying them and then painting them with an appropriate
> >>> silver spray paint. I need something that matches the color of the
> >>> originals and is also durable. I wondered whether I should first use a
> >>> primer as well. Any recommendations greatly appreciated. This has to be
> >>> done at ambient temperatures.
> >>>
> >>> Andrew
> >>> W123 300td
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel pics

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Wheel trivia time.

Fuchs are the OE wheel. These came off my car. Barock and ATS also make
copies. More here:

http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/#

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> What are Fuchs Bundts like compared to stock MB?  I want to replace the
> dirty, resting, and flaking bundt wheels on my 82 240D. How much do you
> want for them?
> Kevin Currently in Palm Springs, Springs,currently in Palm Springs,
> California
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 8, 2019, at 4:59 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If anyone wants a set of 5 14" Fuchs bundts, I have a set at the
> > powdercoater I will sell shortly. Otherwise going on ebay for whatever I
> > have in them plus shipping.
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 2:53 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. I believe the painted covers were used on all W123s
> >> through the 1982 model year.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know the wheels are wrong and they are ugly.  If I keep the car I
> will
> >> definitely change them.  And it’s a 300D.  I was asking about the 240D
> as a
> >> possible replacement.
> >>>
> >>> Donald H. Snook
> >>> FedEx Freight
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Mitch Haley 
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Those pics make it more obvious.
> >>>> The offset appears to be too much.
> >>>> IIRC, W123s had offsets from ET28 to ET36, most around 28-30.
> >>>> Looks like your 240D came with 30 offset.
> >>>> Are those wheels closer to 40?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mitch
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel pics

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If anyone wants a set of 5 14" Fuchs bundts, I have a set at the
powdercoater I will sell shortly. Otherwise going on ebay for whatever I
have in them plus shipping.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 2:53 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Not necessarily. I believe the painted covers were used on all W123s
> through the 1982 model year.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know the wheels are wrong and they are ugly.  If I keep the car I will
> definitely change them.  And it’s a 300D.  I was asking about the 240D as a
> possible replacement.
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> > FedEx Freight
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Mitch Haley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Those pics make it more obvious.
> >> The offset appears to be too much.
> >> IIRC, W123s had offsets from ET28 to ET36, most around 28-30.
> >> Looks like your 240D came with 30 offset.
> >> Are those wheels closer to 40?
> >>
> >> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Just call Tom Hanson or search the Classic Center Germany website to see
what their inventory is. The standard struts are still available.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Glad to hear it!  I had no idea there were such struts.  How hard was it
> to track down a source?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> On October 5, 2019 10:45:03 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3
> >sportline
> >SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be
> >keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve
> >mounting
> >bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but
> >other
> >than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end.
> >
> >On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump
> >and
> >> the control valve.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more
> >pointless
> >> >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the
> >new
> >> >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a
> >> >limited
> >> >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the
> >> >pinion
> >> >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion.
> >> >
> >> >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps.
> >I
> >> >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I
> >was
> >> >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with
> >> >Meyle
> >> >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I
> >> >had
> >> >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway.
> >> >
> >> >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom.
> >> >This
> >> >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were
> >the
> >> >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone,
> >> >and
> >> >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some
> >new
> >> >OE
> >> >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go.
> >> >
> >> >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All
> >they
> >> >did
> >> >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff
> >going
> >> >in.
> >> >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match.
> >> >
> >> >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got
> >some
> >> >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make
> >> >them
> >> >any more.
> >> >
> >> >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA.
> >We
> >> >are
> >> >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they
> >are
> >> >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal
> >> >tool,
> >> >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have
> >twice
> >> >the
> >> >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger
> >> >mounts
> >> >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will
> >round
> >> >up
> >> >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon
> >to
> >> >get
> >> >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I
> >> >will
> >> >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use
> >them
> >> >in
> >> >the e420.
> >> >
> >> >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft
> >> >length
> >> >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit.
> >> >
> >> >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the
> >> >previous
> >> >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on 

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I did not know these were so fragile! I have never opened it up. How
complex can it be to rehabilitate the innards?

I am keeping SLS. Sorry that wasn't clear.  Would have been far cheaper to
ditch it, but oh well.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:14 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Attaboy.
> Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve.
> I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies.
> Mitch.
> > On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless
> > things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new
> > frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited
> > slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion
> > seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion.
> >
>
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