Re: [newbie] Linux vs. Windows Viruses
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:48:34 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: For those that like to play the devil's advocate and state that linux based viruses ARE coming to linux as it's popularity grows; this is a great commentary explaining why I will never be true. (Oh, yeah, for OS/X as well) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ Lemme guess: PCLinuxOnline -- The Register -- Security Focus? ;-) That article may be on the aged side, but it should be posted on here every coupla weeks and spread as far and wide as possible, and the highest praise heaped on Scott Granneman for one of the best pieces of objective journalism I've ever seen. Good on ya mate! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 09:16:12 up 11 days, 8:59, 9 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.05 +++ True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth. -- The SNAFU Principle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 pm, vikrant joshi wrote: I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. Do we need to install any software for that . If yes then where do we get that software from You need to specify the version. Office XP files use a proprietary format that still hasn't been reverse engineered by OS developers, I think. Any previous version of Office should be trivial for OpenOffice, KOffice, as well as a number of other replacements. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 pm, vikrant joshi wrote: I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. Do we need to install any software for that . If yes then where do we get that software from You need to specify the version. Office XP files use a proprietary format that still hasn't been reverse engineered by OS developers, I think. Any previous version of Office should be trivial for OpenOffice, KOffice, as well as a number of other replacements. AFAIK, OpenOffice will read Word XP files. Sir Robin -- The Pseudo Politically Correct term that I would use to describe the mind set of postmodernism is 'epistemologically challenged'. - Chip Morningstar Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 09:02 am, robin wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 pm, vikrant joshi wrote: I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. Do we need to install any software for that . If yes then where do we get that software from You need to specify the version. Office XP files use a proprietary format that still hasn't been reverse engineered by OS developers, I think. Any previous version of Office should be trivial for OpenOffice, KOffice, as well as a number of other replacements. AFAIK, OpenOffice will read Word XP files. My info may be dated. I am still on version 1.02 of Open Office and the last time I did some research, there were still some compatibility problems with some XP file formats. Version 1.1 is supposed to be fully compatible according to the website, but I am not running that version. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2004 09:02 am, robin wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 pm, vikrant joshi wrote: I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. Do we need to install any software for that . If yes then where do we get that software from You need to specify the version. Office XP files use a proprietary format that still hasn't been reverse engineered by OS developers, I think. Any previous version of Office should be trivial for OpenOffice, KOffice, as well as a number of other replacements. AFAIK, OpenOffice will read Word XP files. My info may be dated. I am still on version 1.02 of Open Office and the last time I did some research, there were still some compatibility problems with some XP file formats. Version 1.1 is supposed to be fully compatible according to the website, but I am not running that version. I'm using 1.1 and can read a variety of Word files - my students upload their essays, so I've had plenty of practice. I've had a few completely doolally files, but I suspect that was file-corruption at their end. There are a few glitches, e.g. objects or macros may not come out as intended, and I've had occasional problems with table margins, but 98% of Word docs come out fine in OO now. The other reason for upgrading to 1.1 is the one-click PDF export - very convenient! 1.1 only has one annoying bug/feature, which is that if you have a document open and open another document, the new document window is _behind_ the old one - weird! Sir Robin -- The Pseudo Politically Correct term that I would use to describe the mind set of postmodernism is 'epistemologically challenged'. - Chip Morningstar Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
My info may be dated. I am still on version 1.02 of Open Office and the last time I did some research, there were still some compatibility problems with some XP file formats. Version 1.1 is supposed to be fully compatible according to the website, but I am not running that version.-- I have had no problem going from office xp to open office, or office xp to office 2000, but once i did have trouble going from office 2000 to open office. Anyway, the newer open office seems to be ok with XP. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. If you just want to read them, no problem. It'll be setup when you install. If you want to write to them also, you will want them on a seperate FAT32 partition. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows porting
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:25 pm, many eyes noted that Eric Huff wrote: I have Windows and Linux on same machine . Is there a way I can acces the windows files eg word or excel file through Linux. If you just want to read them, no problem. It'll be setup when you install. If you want to write to them also, you will want them on a seperate FAT32 partition. eric OpenOffice.org any version, but 1.1 is good -- Well you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. --Lt. Gen Boykin This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux VS Windows virus Vulnerability
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:38:25 -0800 Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is from a Win list. All above my head. Any truth to it? None whatsoever. No one with any experience in security and who has not been bought off my MS seriously believes that Windows is *anywhere near* as secure as Linux or any of the Unix variants. Whoever wrote this has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. My favourite part: You can hack the user's 'PATH' and plant a bunch of trojans and hope you can sucker the user into typing 'su' 1. How the hell could you hack the users PATH if you cannot gain access in the first place with one of the millions of mind-blowingly trivial exploits like MS-Blaster or other worms? 2. Notice that the writer uses the word hope, ie. compromising a Linux system *requires the participation of the user*, whereas the same is not true on Windows. For more info on this: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 http://www.ccianet.org/papers/cyberinsecurity.pdf The idea that script kiddies will find ways to exploit *nix systems as they become more popular on the desktop is a myth, and the people that spout this garbage usually have a serious case of OS Envy. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial city, interested in purely materialistic things. Today we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth.-- Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux VS Windows virus Vulnerability
On Saturday 29 November 2003 08:38 pm, Russ wrote: Hi All, This is from a Win list. All above my head. Any truth to it? Given that a lot of virus writers and malicious hackers are in it purely for the bragging rights and given that any successful mainstream virus or exploit on Linux systems would give much bigger bragging rights than a similar exploit on Windows, if it was easy to do, it would have been done. People speaking about security and telling you how easy it is to do something that they have not managed to do should be proof enough that the wind that they are blowing is not coming out of their mouths. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux VS Windows virus Vulnerability
Hello Russ, Saturday, November 29, 2003, 5:38:25 PM, you wrote: R Hi All, R This is from a Win list. All above my head. Any truth to it? R Thanks R Russ R [I suspect almost no Unix users know how to properly configure R IPchains to prevent a random process from accessing the network R improperly]. Ask him how to do it. I'd like to do that too. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses
Must you incorporate it: No Should you incorporate it? Depends on your moral obligation. Some people take the high road and say, They are running Windows. They deserve what they get. Virus's and all. Some take the low road. Some of my friends still run Windows I don't want to pass on an infection to them. Your results may vary. My personal experience is that I do not have any anti-virus on my Linux workstation. Most of the forwarded messages I get are text. I have a VMware installation of Windows 98 2K, running Norton A/V to test messages that are questionable. I've found that common sense is usually the best defense against virial infection. Chad Vogelsong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miark Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses Paul M. Bucalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: My original question than stands as this: Must I incorporate anti-virus software on my Linux machine(s) to protect my Windows clients from ever mistakenly getting a virus from me? It would seem that the answer is going to have to be yes, for their sake, not mine. Do you concur, Chad? What about the rest of you? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses
Chad wrote: Must you incorporate it: No Should you incorporate it? Depends on your moral obligation. Some people take the high road and say, They are running Windows. They deserve what they get. Virus's and all. Some take the low road. Some of my friends still run Windows I don't want to pass on an infection to them. Your results may vary. My personal experience is that I do not have any anti-virus on my Linux workstation. Most of the forwarded messages I get are text. I have a VMware installation of Windows 98 2K, running Norton A/V to test messages that are questionable. I've found that common sense is usually the best defense against virial infection. Hear, hear! I started writing a long comment on this subject, but to save bandwidth, I put it on my journal at www.livejournal.com/users/solri Sir Robin -- There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't - thinkgeek.com Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara 06533 http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses
Thanks, Chad. I gathered this after reading a few comments passed my way. As a technician for others, I can't take the high road. I pretty much new the answer before asking the question, but was really curious as to how many were using any kind of anti-viral protection, and for what reasons. With a Samba server being my next need (to replace my NT 4.0 Server), I am concerned about harboring someone else's problem, let alone one I downloaded on my own. Passing it on would harm my business, for sure. Paul - Original Message - From: Chad Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses Must you incorporate it: No Should you incorporate it? Depends on your moral obligation. Some people take the high road and say, They are running Windows. They deserve what they get. Virus's and all. Some take the low road. Some of my friends still run Windows I don't want to pass on an infection to them. Your results may vary. My personal experience is that I do not have any anti-virus on my Linux workstation. Most of the forwarded messages I get are text. I have a VMware installation of Windows 98 2K, running Norton A/V to test messages that are questionable. I've found that common sense is usually the best defense against virial infection. Chad Vogelsong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miark Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux forwarding Windows viruses Paul M. Bucalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: My original question than stands as this: Must I incorporate anti-virus software on my Linux machine(s) to protect my Windows clients from ever mistakenly getting a virus from me? It would seem that the answer is going to have to be yes, for their sake, not mine. Do you concur, Chad? What about the rest of you? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows
Yes. Not only is dual booting (having two operating systems on one computer) possible, it's common. It's a great way to see if you like Linux without making a commitment. My computers have both Windows and Mandrake 8.1, although I like Mandrake so much more that I'll be removing Windows soon. I haven't tried 8.2, but with 8.1 it's easy. Do not format your c drive; that will erase your Windows. You just boot your computer from the CD-ROM drive with the Mandrake disk 1 in the CD-ROM drive. The installer will give you the option of installing Mandrake in the empty space on your hard drive, and take care of all the details. It's easy. All you need to do beforehand is make sure you have enough free space on your hard drive. I've installed 8.1 in as little as 1 GB of free space, but I'd recommend 5 GB minimum. It will make things easier and give you plenty of room to play and get comfortable with Linux. I'd suggest deleting unnecessary files and applications from Windows, and running scandisk and disk defragmenter, before installing Linux. Welcome to Linux! Once you've tried it, you'll be back here asking how to delete Windows and make your computer Linux only. -- Warren Post Santa Rosa de Copan, Honduras http://www.srcopan.vze.com/ On Fri, 3 May 2002 12:52:27 +0300 (GMT+03:00) ivo ailis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently downloaded Mandrake 8.2. Before i install i want to know whether is it possible to have both windows and Linux on one computer. If so could you give me detalized step-by-step instructions...Well i am really a newbie to Linux :) Also could you give me some installation suggestions, and what i have to do after format c: (creating boot diskete and so on)... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows
Ivo, One more thing - Linux has a nice utility called diskdrake, which makes it easy to shrink your existing windows partition to make room for linux. It runs during the install process. Assuming that you are using W98, before you try to install, defrag the disk ensuring that the option to Make programs load faster is switched OFF. Having this on makes the defragger store files at the extreme ends of the partition, making it impossible for diskdrake to shrink it. I have never had a problem with shrinking partitions, but of course the caveat applies - backup all your data first! Welcome and enjoy! Brian On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 05:31, Warren Post wrote: Yes. Not only is dual booting (having two operating systems on one computer) possible, it's common. It's a great way to see if you like Linux without making a commitment. My computers have both Windows and Mandrake 8.1, although I like Mandrake so much more that I'll be removing Windows soon. I haven't tried 8.2, but with 8.1 it's easy. Do not format your c drive; that will erase your Windows. You just boot your computer from the CD-ROM drive with the Mandrake disk 1 in the CD-ROM drive. The installer will give you the option of installing Mandrake in the empty space on your hard drive, and take care of all the details. It's easy. All you need to do beforehand is make sure you have enough free space on your hard drive. I've installed 8.1 in as little as 1 GB of free space, but I'd recommend 5 GB minimum. It will make things easier and give you plenty of room to play and get comfortable with Linux. I'd suggest deleting unnecessary files and applications from Windows, and running scandisk and disk defragmenter, before installing Linux. Welcome to Linux! Once you've tried it, you'll be back here asking how to delete Windows and make your computer Linux only. -- Warren Post Santa Rosa de Copan, Honduras http://www.srcopan.vze.com/ On Fri, 3 May 2002 12:52:27 +0300 (GMT+03:00) ivo ailis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently downloaded Mandrake 8.2. Before i install i want to know whether is it possible to have both windows and Linux on one computer. If so could you give me detalized step-by-step instructions...Well i am really a newbie to Linux :) Also could you give me some installation suggestions, and what i have to do after format c: (creating boot diskete and so on)... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] RE: [Newbie] Linux and Windows
I have recently downloaded Mandrake 8.2. Before I install I want to know whether is it possible to have both windows and Linux on one computer. If so could you give me detailed step-by-step instructions... For one, please take a look at the instructions I wrote up for installing 8.1 at http://www.acmuller.net/linux/mandrake-setup01.html As far as I can tell, there are no real differences for 8.2 in terms of the process described. Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows
On Fri, 3 May 2002 12:52:27 +0300 (GMT+03:00) ivo ailis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently downloaded Mandrake 8.2. Before i install i want to know whether is it possible to have both windows and Linux on one computer. If so could you give me detalized step-by-step instructions...Well i am really a newbie to Linux :) Also could you give me some installation suggestions, and what i have to do after format c: (creating boot diskete and so on)... Thanks.. have at it Read on: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/install/i3boot.html use that site frequently before trying here. Its got most of the basic info you'll need to get started makes you feel less silly for asking us :) I learned that the hard way. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows
Kristjan Klementi wrote: You can try installing Linux on Win only if you have 95/98/ME... Nt and above are independent OS and do not allow that action. I'm a little confused by the above -- it may be misleading (or I may be confused): AFAIK, you can install Linux in a dual boot configuration with any version of Windows including NT and above. Perhaps this is referring to Lin4Win or something like that, which might be limited to being installed with 95/98/ME. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows
On Fri, 03 May 2002 14:51:12 -0400 Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kristjan Klementi wrote: You can try installing Linux on Win only if you have 95/98/ME... Nt and above are independent OS and do not allow that action. I'm a little confused by the above -- it may be misleading (or I may be confused): AFAIK, you can install Linux in a dual boot configuration with any version of Windows including NT and above. Perhaps this is referring to Lin4Win or something like that, which might be limited to being installed with 95/98/ME. Either that are the fact that diskdrake can not handle NTFS. But there are multiple 3rd party partitioning programs which can. I personally have used PM and SC to partition drives to dual boot linux with Win98, 2k, and XP. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux for Windows: lnx4win??
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:06:07 +0200 Dennis Dreesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I downloaded the ISO files: Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586, Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586, and Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586 and burned them to a CD. In the installation file, it's mentioned that you can install Linux to a Windows folder, so you don't need another partition. It's ideal for a try-out, but speed decreases. However, when I use the command lnx4win, nothing happens. The folder lnx4win is missing on the CD. Is this normal? Can I find an ISO-image that does contain this folder? thanx in advance, Dennis I Cc you because my answer is so late :( On the first Mandrake CD there is a D:\INSTALL.txt file (in Windows, if the CDROM is the D drive) : 2. Installing onto Windows 95/98/ME To install MandrakeLinux within a Windows folder, avoiding any disk partitioning, you should: 1. Insert the first CD, 2. Reboot the system, 3. Press [F1] when the MandrakeLinux screen comes up, 4. Type lnx4win at the prompt, then press [Enter] Follow the instructions shown on screen. Additional details on lnx4win can be found in the appropriate readme file. .. Let us know if this fails! -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux to Windows connection problem
When I ping the linux from windows I get an ok message (100% ok, 0% dropped) but when I ping from linux it keeps on pinging forever. Does this mean that only one of my machines is misconfigured, and if this is the case, wich one? What do you mean it keeps pinging forever? does it return numbers like this?? Splinter ~ ping 172.24.38.37 PING 172.24.38.37 (172.24.38.37): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=0.7 ms 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.6 ms 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.6 ms 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0.6 ms 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=4 ttl=128 time=0.6 ms 64 bytes from 172.24.38.37: icmp_seq=5 ttl=128 time=0.5 ms but keep going?? If so, then that is fine. hit CTRL-C to end it and it should give you something like --- 172.24.38.37 ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.5/0.6/0.7 ms default ping in linux goes on slightly less than forever unless you limit it. Default ping in windows is only to do it 4 times. Hope this helps. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows connection problem
On Saturday 08 December 2001 02:58 pm, you wrote: When I ping the linux from windows I get an ok message (100% ok, 0% dropped) but when I ping from linux it keeps on pinging forever. Does this mean that only one of my machines is misconfigured, and if this is the case, wich one? That's correct. Unix ping will ping forever unless you stop it. Hit CTRL-C to stop it, and it will then clean up the program for you. Windows ping will ping 3 times and then stop. If I want only one of them to read/write on the other, could I live with this or do I have to fix it? If you want read/write between them, the best solution is probably Samba. Don't get discouraged, getting Samba running can be a pain, it's a complex set of programs. The best crash course on samba I've figured out is to just install the samba rpms then work your way through the diagnosis file, which is online at: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/DIAGNOSIS.html You will fail the later tests, samba doesn't run out of the box unfortunately. But when you do fail, you'll have an idea of what you need to troubleshoot. I've set up samba a few times, and I'm sure others here have as well. So you can always post here with problems. Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux to Windows connection problem
On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Matt Greer wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2001 02:58 pm, you wrote: When I ping the linux from windows I get an ok message (100% ok, 0% dropped) but when I ping from linux it keeps on pinging forever. Does this mean that only one of my machines is misconfigured, and if this is the case, wich one? That's correct. Unix ping will ping forever unless you stop it. Hit CTRL-C to stop it, and it will then clean up the program for you. Windows ping will ping 3 times and then stop. You can do ping -c n where n is number of packets sent. -- Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux for Windows
Actually there are many of us that read this list that know about this very thing. And the single most important thing we know about this particular topic is that if you want to get Linux to install correctly DO NOT attempt to install Linux on a DOS partition. Install it on it's own partition. Vfats do not a proper Linux partition make. Go the extra few inches on this journey, do a little "light" reading and partition your drive and install Linux the way it should be done. There are many of us here that are more then happy to help you understand just how this is to be done. If you need help just holler. -- Mark * "what knowledge I have managed to accumlate over the years at times becomes obscured and even hidden amidst the vast emotional onslaught of my children. You never finish being a parent. :)" On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Matthew Pirritano wrote: Doesn anyone know anything about linux for windows? I'm having trouble getting it installed. Matt Pirritano University of New Mexico Dept of Psychology New Mexico, USA
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Hi, I have been using windoze for ten years. I am moving away from windoze now and have got suse 7, mandrake 7 7.1, corel 1 1.2 R H 6 6.2 I find linux very easy to install and run, the only problem I am having is installing software. I have a scanner which I would love to use under linux and an ide cd burner and a logitech quickcam express which I can not get any software for, which makes it hard for me. By the way windoze is not idiot proff, but their is a lot more surport for windoze and this makes a difference to the average computer user who just wants to play games and surf the net. Linux blows windoze out of the water. Regards Anthony Daniell - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows Why are so many Linux user so interested in how popular Linux is with the mainstream public. Screw the ignorant masses. If they want a seamingly (until you have to do something other than write memos) idiot-proof OS, let them use MS. I use Linux because it is powerful and stable and free. That is why Linux is so popular amongst programmers. If Linux wasn't around we would have to use an expensive Unix flavor like Solaris. enough said. --Kevin ALL RIGHT KEVIN!!! Well said. Go Linux Go Linux GO! A toast to Linux, a Guinness for Mandrake. -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Why are so many Linux user so interested in how popular Linux is with the mainstream public. Screw the ignorant masses. If they want a seamingly (until you have to do something other than write memos) idiot-proof OS, let them use MS. I use Linux because it is powerful and stable and free. That is why Linux is so popular amongst programmers. If Linux wasn't around we would have to use an expensive Unix flavor like Solaris. enough said. --Kevin ALL RIGHT KEVIN!!! Well said. Go Linux Go Linux GO! A toast to Linux, a Guinness for Mandrake. -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Mark Weaver wrote: At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. Why are so many Linux user so interested in how popular Linux is with the mainstream public. Screw the ignorant masses. If they want a seamingly (until you have to do something other than write memos) idiot-proof OS, let them use MS. I use Linux because it is powerful and stable and free. That is why Linux is so popular amongst programmers. If Linux wasn't around we would have to use an expensive Unix flavor like Solaris. enough said. --Kevin
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
not deluded...just have an appreciation and a working understanding of what harware standards and software compatibilities are and what they mean. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Jeff Malka had this to say! You are dead on correct. The situation is precisely as you describe even though enthousiasts insis on deluding themselves.. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: David Grubb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows I'd just like to add my $0.02 here, at the risk of heading OT and being inundated with flames. I whole-heartedly agree Linux is a far-better, quality system than certain other OSs, and I have enjoyed many months of learning and working with it, and I look forward to many more years of learning. But (there always has to be a 'but', doesn't there :) - I'm a computer enthusiast - I work with computers: fixing problems, deploying systems, supporting users etc. I go home and I play with my computer - the case is never bolted on coz I'm forever pulling out cards and trying different hardware. I have stacks of CDs spread across the room coz I'm forever trying new OSs, apps and games - and when something breaks I enjoy fixing it. Trouble is, not everyone out there is an enthusiast like those on this mailing list - I've seen this analogy elsewhere many times, but I think it is worth repeating: Most people buy a car simply so they can drive around - they don't care what is under the hood. A lot add ornaments or extra bits because thats what they like. Very few actually care what is under the hood, let alone have any idea how to tinker with it. Most computer users (note: users, not enthusiests) just want the computer to work - it needs to be easy for them to stick their ornaments or extra bits in - but they're not interested in "tricky" things like dependancies, command lines etc (personnally I would prefer if everyone in the office were forced to use a command line once in a while...) At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. My apologies for the rant peoples, just been seeing red over this sort of thing for a while. --- David Grubb - Internet / Intranet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 2 9895-7913 Department of Land Water Conservation Sydney, Australia --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 2:53 pm it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Jeff Malka had this to say! That kind of thinking makes no sense to me. If it does what you want, just more easily, the question becomes why dump it? If you want a "puzzle" to figure out, there are the crosswords. If you want an OS, what is wrong with it being easy to use and figure out and use? It comes down to whether you want a good OS - no matter who makes it - or something to play with and show off on. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 Jeff, Here's the rub...Tom Brinkman said it best in another, somewhat related post, the more accomodating the OS becomes to hardware vendors and overall users the more relaxed standards become. In so doing the less stable and vulnerable the OS becomes. Windows is a good example of this. Mark
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
What?! Windows started out *worse* than it is now. I would say that it's becoming more stable. Here's the rub...Tom Brinkman said it best in another, somewhat related post, the more accomodating the OS becomes to hardware vendors and overall users the more relaxed standards become. In so doing the less stable and vulnerable the OS becomes. Windows is a good example of this. Mark
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. When that happens I'm going to stop using it and look for something else because when that happens it will not longer "BE" linux, but another stinking icr$sotf wannabe clone.
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
The Point Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) why should they wish to do such a thing when they're getting paid by M$ not to do such a thing? I say screw the manufacturers that don't want to play ball and let pay those in the Linux community that "can" and want to write the software we need to run our toys and gadgits. At least that way we'll be sure that the drivers are written correctly and will work. Actually, it does not matter how it happens, - but it does matter that it happens. At present it is not happening "enough". Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
You are dead on correct. The situation is precisely as you describe even though enthousiasts insis on deluding themselves.. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: David Grubb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows I'd just like to add my $0.02 here, at the risk of heading OT and being inundated with flames. I whole-heartedly agree Linux is a far-better, quality system than certain other OSs, and I have enjoyed many months of learning and working with it, and I look forward to many more years of learning. But (there always has to be a 'but', doesn't there :) - I'm a computer enthusiast - I work with computers: fixing problems, deploying systems, supporting users etc. I go home and I play with my computer - the case is never bolted on coz I'm forever pulling out cards and trying different hardware. I have stacks of CDs spread across the room coz I'm forever trying new OSs, apps and games - and when something breaks I enjoy fixing it. Trouble is, not everyone out there is an enthusiast like those on this mailing list - I've seen this analogy elsewhere many times, but I think it is worth repeating: Most people buy a car simply so they can drive around - they don't care what is under the hood. A lot add ornaments or extra bits because thats what they like. Very few actually care what is under the hood, let alone have any idea how to tinker with it. Most computer users (note: users, not enthusiests) just want the computer to work - it needs to be easy for them to stick their ornaments or extra bits in - but they're not interested in "tricky" things like dependancies, command lines etc (personnally I would prefer if everyone in the office were forced to use a command line once in a while...) At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. My apologies for the rant peoples, just been seeing red over this sort of thing for a while. --- David Grubb - Internet / Intranet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 2 9895-7913 Department of Land Water Conservation Sydney, Australia --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 2:53 pm it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby avoiding any unpleasant surprises. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
I happen to agree with David 100%. I too am a computer enthusiast and have a few computers at home but only one runs linux, my wife's and daughter's run Win98 and I have them running trouble free and many times for weeks at a time without a problem. I see nothing evil about M$, free enterprise works and that's big proof. I happen to admire Bill Gates, hell if you can make that much money he's got my admiration. I do agree their software is not the best in the world but when was McDonald's a good hamburger? I love linux and I don't hate windows. It's a happy home, at least here in my house with all the different children playing together. Finally a person with common sense. I agree with you and you describe my own home situation, - except that my wife's W98 system (which she uses daily to write her Ph.D. dissertation, internet, etc), has not crashed in months.
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Thank you Jeff, I appreciate the kind words. On Monday 04 December 2000 09:05, you wrote: I happen to agree with David 100%. I too am a computer enthusiast and have a few computers at home but only one runs linux, my wife's and daughter's run Win98 and I have them running trouble free and many times for weeks at a time without a problem. I see nothing evil about M$, free enterprise works and that's big proof. I happen to admire Bill Gates, hell if you can make that much money he's got my admiration. I do agree their software is not the best in the world but when was McDonald's a good hamburger? I love linux and I don't hate windows. It's a happy home, at least here in my house with all the different children playing together. Finally a person with common sense. I agree with you and you describe my own home situation, - except that my wife's W98 system (which she uses daily to write her Ph.D. dissertation, internet, etc), has not crashed in months. -- Eddie Torress www.veloct.net
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
I think the many strengths of Linux can only be added to by smoother installation. Linux remains a very strong, felxible, stable, and free os. Sure, it may take the fun of the chase out of installing for a few souls, but you can be rest assured (I hope) that any work done on usabillity and UI will be done "on top" and not exclude what already exists, only adding to to the user's options. Mark Weaver wrote: At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. When that happens I'm going to stop using it and look for something else because when that happens it will not longer "BE" linux, but another stinking icr$sotf wannabe clone. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
The Point Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) why should they wish to do such a thing when they're getting paid by M$ not to do such a thing? I say screw the manufacturers that don't want to play ball and let pay those in the Linux community that "can" and want to write the software we need to run our toys and gadgits. At least that way we'll be sure that the drivers are written correctly and will work.
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby avoiding any unpleasant surprises. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say! Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect most other folks do too. I have one little problem.. I have a Primax USB scanner, and on visiting their website - have discovered they dont support linux drivers for their hardware, which is a little dissapointing to say the least... So I went searching, and found another site...probably run by a couple of guys in their own time, and unpaid, who are writing source and trying their best to get drivers for Primax scanners under Linux - These guys deserve a big jug of beer!!! and if they dont like beer a big glass of juice :) The Point and now a drum roll Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) i would ag4ee. for linux to really take off there must be some sort of install shield for it. without it linux will never dominiate the world. i cant believe hasnt thought of it before. :) I dunno if this means anything, or indeed if it makes sensebut dont all shout at me at once :-) And just in case you are all wondering ... yep I had to use M$ to scan my pics tonight :( ok, there are a few areas where linux is still catching up. there are a few areas in which linux is ahead. scanners unfortunately for u are one of the behind places Graham Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.btinternet.com/~kerr.monster Reg. User 153258
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
I'd just like to add my $0.02 here, at the risk of heading OT and being inundated with flames. I whole-heartedly agree Linux is a far-better, quality system than certain other OSs, and I have enjoyed many months of learning and working with it, and I look forward to many more years of learning. But (there always has to be a 'but', doesn't there :) - I'm a computer enthusiast - I work with computers: fixing problems, deploying systems, supporting users etc. I go home and I play with my computer - the case is never bolted on coz I'm forever pulling out cards and trying different hardware. I have stacks of CDs spread across the room coz I'm forever trying new OSs, apps and games - and when something breaks I enjoy fixing it. Trouble is, not everyone out there is an enthusiast like those on this mailing list - I've seen this analogy elsewhere many times, but I think it is worth repeating: Most people buy a car simply so they can drive around - they don't care what is under the hood. A lot add ornaments or extra bits because thats what they like. Very few actually care what is under the hood, let alone have any idea how to tinker with it. Most computer users (note: users, not enthusiests) just want the computer to work - it needs to be easy for them to stick their ornaments or extra bits in - but they're not interested in "tricky" things like dependancies, command lines etc (personnally I would prefer if everyone in the office were forced to use a command line once in a while...) At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. My apologies for the rant peoples, just been seeing red over this sort of thing for a while. --- David Grubb - Internet / Intranet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 2 9895-7913 Department of Land Water Conservation Sydney, Australia --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 2:53 pm it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby avoiding any unpleasant surprises. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say! Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect most other folks do too. I have one little problem.. I have a Primax USB scanner, and on visiting their website - have discovered they dont support linux drivers for their hardware, which is a little dissapointing to say the least... So I went searching, and found another site...probably run by a couple of guys in their own time, and unpaid, who are writing source and trying their best to get drivers for Primax scanners under Linux - These guys deserve a big jug of beer!!! and if they dont like beer a big glass of juice :) The Point and now a drum roll Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) i would ag4ee. for linux to really take off there must be some sort of install shield for it. without it linux will never dominiate the world. i cant believe hasnt thought of it before. :) I dunno if this means anything, or indeed if it makes sensebut dont all shout at me at once :-) And just in case you are all wondering ... yep I had to use M$ to scan my pics tonight :( ok, there are a few areas where linux is still catching up. there are a few areas in which linux is ahead. scanners unfortunately for u are one of the behind places Graham Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.btinternet.com/~kerr.monster Reg. User 153258
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
Most people that write drivers for Linux do it for the love of it or for the necessity. Probably both. Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect most other folks do too. I have one little problem.. I have a Primax USB scanner, and on visiting their website - have discovered they dont support linux drivers for their hardware, which is a little dissapointing to say the least... So I went searching, and found another site...probably run by a couple of guys in their own time, and unpaid, who are writing source and trying their best to get drivers for Primax scanners under Linux - These guys deserve a big jug of beer!!! The Point Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) I dunno if this means anything, or indeed if it makes sensebut dont all shout at me at once :-) And just in case you are all wondering ... yep I had to use M$ to scan my pics tonight :( Graham Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.btinternet.com/~kerr.monster Reg. User 153258
OT: [was RE: [newbie] linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles ]
-Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The finale of the linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles :) Look at existing realities rather than speculation. Microsoft has announced that they will likely produce only one more MS-Office upgrade before this product becomes an Internet-server distributed product. Why is this a bad thing (technology-wise), besides the fact that I don't want to rent software and that the internet probably can't handle this type of thing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Star Office was available for free via an ASP and the user experience would be as if s/he had it installed locally -- would this still be a bad thing. I'm genuinely curious Bill Gates is a very wise businessman. He knows that to make money you have to create products that people will pay for. Manufacturing air is not good business as right now everyone gets it free. In the next few years this will be the case for desktop software. Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above.
Re: OT: [was RE: [newbie] linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles]
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Mark Johnson wrote: Look at existing realities rather than speculation. Microsoft has announced that they will likely produce only one more MS-Office upgrade before this product becomes an Internet-server distributed product. Why is this a bad thing (technology-wise), besides the fact that I don't want to rent software and that the internet probably can't handle this type of thing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Star Office was available for free via an ASP and the user experience would be as if s/he had it installed locally -- would this still be a bad thing. I'm genuinely curious I wouldn't trust such software with my critical business needs any more than I'd trust commercial software. If I can't see the source and fix it as needed then I won't trust the software to run on my systems. Bill Gates is a very wise businessman. He knows that to make money you have to create products that people will pay for. Manufacturing air is not good business as right now everyone gets it free. In the next few years this will be the case for desktop software. Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above. I don't think Bill Gates it the kind of person I'd want in my house (and I'm sure he'd feel the same about me) but I don't know him so I can't really hate him. He just doesn't matter much to me. For that matter I don't hate M$ either, I just don't use any of their products on my own machines. I know Windows and other key M$ products inside out though. You must understand everything your systems will come in contact to get a clear picture. I don't like corporations, big business, big government, etc. Anything that takes my rights and my money away is bad.
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:31:49 -0700 Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did my courses on windows before I changed my bussiness to linux and I promise that windows is fussy about they condition of hardware and if your hardware is perfect windows will run well and without to much trouble bearing in mind it is only a machine. Freezing and hanging etc.. in win95 was fixed in 98 and yes buggered up in 2000. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Fully understandable. Despite some of these frustrations, we are still drawn to linux because it represents the right thing to do. This way the next generation won't live under Microsoft protocols anymore than we have to. Seve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux versus windows Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew.
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... I agree with both. I have seen people that can't hold a keyboard do all kinds of things with Windows. I have seen people who have university degrees give up on Linux. It is not a matter of what is best. It is a matter of what is best _for_you_. Use what works for you. It is as simple as that... Paul )0(---)0( The fear of death keeps us from living, not from dying... )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Well, guyz, you seem to have a lot of problems with your linux boxes (espacially Chadley), but I can tell you that they ARE solvable. You CAN setup the servers you want with linux. I think that if you don't want to spend time configuring your system and understanding how it works, you'd better ask someone to help you. You got linux for free (or at least you could), so you could spend a part of the money you saved to pay a pizza to a linux guru near your place and ask him gently if he could do something for you. Or go to a linux party with your comp and see if you can get help there. But about the Win vs linux debate, I don't think this is the place to open such a thread here. It's a place to help linux users, not to have endless discussion about knowing if linux (or any un*x) is better than windows (I can tell you that MY opinion is done, and I don't think anybody will ever be able to make me change my mind) HTH Flupke On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:31:49 -0700 Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did my courses on windows before I changed my bussiness to linux and I promise that windows is fussy about they condition of hardware and if your hardware is perfect windows will run well and without to much trouble bearing in mind it is only a machine. Freezing and hanging etc.. in win95 was fixed in 98 and yes buggered up in 2000. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Snippets: No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . Webster makes a good spellchecker. Your post is nice attempt at a troll, but a little obvious. First try? Regards, Nathan
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Snippets: Bit onesided like Linux Lewis fight :-) -- Regards John the Nadger http://www.mklinux.co.uk http://www.nadger.uklinux.net
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
I realize you're venting but let's go over some of these: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, Yes, the windows bashing does get pretty intense at times but you've got your opinions too, so.. Besides I have had several experiences with windows where if I wasn't very familiar with the OS I would have given up in frustration, sometimes just because the OS was designed for idiots, that it made it harder. When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. This I just don't get. RPM's are as easy or easier than any setup program in windows, and will warn you if you need something on you system. Sure, every program could include all the libraries etc. it needs but can you imagine how much of your scarce time that would involve? Besides what MSWindows bundle includes just about every application you'll need on one or 2 CD's for 0 - 70 bucks? So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. -snip- I would agree with you here, because the distributions out of the box Are configures to run too much at boot time for a newbie and there is no evident way to configure it otherwise, or to tell what everything does. Cleaned up though I would think a 486 with 16 MB is reasonable. Every tried to run windows on that set-up. I have. Slow. How about a 386 with 8 MB, win95 minimum configuration. A Joke. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. You are mixing Linux and the applications. Some administrative tools are distribution specific but the applications can be used with almost any distro. Get'em and install them. -snip- Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . Works for me but I don't need it : ) thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Just my 2 cents, I think everyone should have the choice to run what os most suitably fits them, so that they can use their computers in the most efficient way. Whether someone runs windows, macOS, Linux, OS2, Unix SVR4, minix or whatever, I noticed that the 3 most popular platforms have been Mac, win, and Linux, more software is being written for the Linux users, as there is already a buttload of stuff being developed for windows/dos, mac comes in 2nd, then Linux. Whenever these 3 platforms are the closest to being as equalised as is humanly possible, will we have the best cross-compatibility. Windows works for some, Mac works for some, and Linux works for some just to name a few. I use Linux because it works for me, my buddie in town uses mac because it works the best for him and my buddie in Idaho uses windows because it is what works the best for him and they are both still my buddies and I am barely affected by what OS they use, sure some .exe self extracting utilities I have to send to my windows using buddie so he can extract the soundfiles that I would like, and he takes a copy if he wants to also, if I can't use wine to extract it, but my wish is for things to become less proprietary, (I know I sound like a dreamer, but if I don't dream, I die) but when we can all use our own OS's and have more 'universal' formats of data transfer, it will make things easier I think. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 Hey Chadley, I feel your pain! I've spent MANY late nights working to no avail (because of the same reasons you list) and I've gone to bed frustrated more times than I can count. I guess you just have to decide what you're looking for; Windows does offer a lot more indirect support in that everyone uses it, everybody makes drivers for it, and it's available everywhere. Mac, from what I hear, offers much greater stability, much easier to use, and not nearly as many people use it. Linux has tremendous potential, it's free, there are always upgrades available (if you know where to find them) and one of the greatest features - it's fun! Yeah, I know, fun? I've already said how frustrating it can be, what I'm say now is, it's still a fairly new system, and the people that are doing the developing aren't sitting in huge building in Redmond, Washington making a million a year. It's people that, for the most part, have other jobs and just happen to take some of their expertise and share it with rest of us. There is also a lot of developing going on at places like Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake, but that's not where most of it is coming from. I would suggest this; until you become more familiar with Linux, use it as a dual boot set up on one machine. Pick one machine and repartition your drive into two sections, then install WinNT or whatever as your first OS, then install Mandrake on the last part of the drive. Do your regular work on your comfortable system, then when you have some spare time, just play with Linux. After all, if you don't enjoy it, why bother? If after a few months, you find that Linux is just a waste of time, delete that partition and reformat it as an extended dos partition and move on happily with the blue screen of death (sorry, had to put that in there!) Good luck! Mike -- ** Signature: Want to make some extra pocket change listening to your realplayer while you surf? http://www.radiofreecash.com/home.asp?ref=kittypuss Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
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You make good sense Vic. A little tolerance goes a long way :) Diversity is the spice of life. We are not all alike, thank goodness. Bambi Vic wrote: Just my 2 cents, I think everyone should have the choice to run what os most suitably fits them, so that they can use their computers in the most efficient way. Whether someone runs windows, macOS, Linux, OS2, Unix SVR4, minix or whatever, I noticed that the 3 most popular platforms have been Mac, win, and Linux, more software is being written for the Linux users, as there is already a buttload of stuff being developed for windows/dos, mac comes in 2nd, then Linux. Whenever these 3 platforms are the closest to being as equalised as is humanly possible, will we have the best cross-compatibility. Windows works for some, Mac works for some, and Linux works for some just to name a few. I use Linux because it works for me, my buddie in town uses mac because it works the best for him and my buddie in Idaho uses windows because it is what works the best for him and they are both still my buddies and I am barely affected by what OS they use, sure some .exe self extracting utilities I have to send to my windows using buddie so he can extract the soundfiles that I would like, and he takes a copy if he wants to also, if I can't use wine to extract it, but my wish is for things to become less proprietary, (I know I sound like a dreamer, but if I don't dream, I die) but when we can all use our own OS's and have more 'universal' formats of data transfer, it will make things easier I think. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 Hey Chadley, I feel your pain! I've spent MANY late nights working to no avail (because of the same reasons you list) and I've gone to bed frustrated more times than I can count. I guess you just have to decide what you're looking for; Windows does offer a lot more indirect support in that everyone uses it, everybody makes drivers for it, and it's available everywhere. Mac, from what I hear, offers much greater stability, much easier to use, and not nearly as many people use it. Linux has tremendous potential, it's free, there are always upgrades available (if you know where to find them) and one of the greatest features - it's fun! Yeah, I know, fun? I've already said how frustrating it can be, what I'm say now is, it's still a fairly new system, and the people that are doing the developing aren't sitting in huge building in Redmond, Washington making a million a year. It's people that, for the most part, have other jobs and just happen to take some of their expertise and share it with rest of us. There is also a lot of developing going on at places like Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake, but that's not where most of it is coming from. I would suggest this; until you become more familiar with Linux, use it as a dual boot set up on one machine. Pick one machine and repartition your drive into two sections, then install WinNT or whatever as your first OS, then install Mandrake on the last part of the drive. Do your regular work on your comfortable system, then when you have some spare time, just play with Linux. After all, if you don't enjoy it, why bother? If after a few months, you find that Linux is just a waste of time, delete that partition and reformat it as an extended dos partition and move on happily with the blue screen of death (sorry, had to put that in there!) Good luck! Mike -- ** Signature: Want to make some extra pocket change listening to your realplayer while you surf? http://www.radiofreecash.com/home.asp?ref=kittypuss Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
Is there anyway to use the disk utilities to mount write the bootdisk to my local hard drive and then use it to launch the installation from the CD? I have a laptop that can have a CD or it can have a floppy but it can't have both at the same time and it can't hot swap between them -neither can it boot from CD. I am trying to figure out the best way to boot and launch the installation from CD. Traci paul haine wrote: So far I have tried the CD only. When using the PCPLUS cd-rom i cannot create a boot disk, I get the message LoadLibrary16 failed! I have tried to set the bios to boot from CD, but my bios doesnt handle that. It can only boot from disk or hd. Make sure that the cd is in the drive and then go to the MSDOS command prompt, and type d:\dosutils\rawrite.exe, where d: is your cd drive. You should be able to create a bootdisk this way. -- Traci Collins, MA Professor of Computer Education Colorado Mountain College http://www.rof.net/wp/tcollins/traci.html
RE: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
So far I have tried the CD only. When using the PCPLUS cd-rom i cannot create a boot disk, I get the message LoadLibrary16 failed! I have tried to set the bios to boot from CD, but my bios doesnt handle that. It can only boot from disk or hd. Make sure that the cd is in the drive and then go to the MSDOS command prompt, and type d:\dosutils\rawrite.exe, where d: is your cd drive. You should be able to create a bootdisk this way.
Re: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
Hazel Norman Teferle wrote: So far I have tried the CD only. When using the PCPLUS cd-rom i cannot create a boot disk, I get the message LoadLibrary16 failed! I have tried to set the bios to boot from CD, but my bios doesnt handle I had exactly the same prob. with the PCPlus CD, I managed to install ok on one PC with CDROM - boot enabled in BIOS, however this did'nt work for an older PC that did'nt properly support CDROM Booting, I tried the rawwrite (win32) prog. to create a boot disk, and got the same LoadLibrary error message mentioned above, My solution was to run the rawrite (NOT rawwrite) command-line util to create the boot-disc and all worked fine.. I suggest you try it from a ms-dos box.. Alan
Re: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
Thanks to Paul and Alan. I have managed to create a boot disk with rawrite. I can now also boot from the cdrom and get into the DrakX installation program were I encounter my next dilemma. What to do in the Setup Filesystems menu? Do I say OK when DrakX needs to resize my Windows partition? or do I cancel. I want to install lnx4win and thought that I don't need a new partition. Further, do I also have to select mount points in the following menu point? Could someone help me please?. Thanks a lot paul haine wrote: So far I have tried the CD only. When using the PCPLUS cd-rom i cannot create a boot disk, I get the message LoadLibrary16 failed! I have tried to set the bios to boot from CD, but my bios doesnt handle that. It can only boot from disk or hd. Make sure that the cd is in the drive and then go to the MSDOS command prompt, and type d:\dosutils\rawrite.exe, where d: is your cd drive. You should be able to create a bootdisk this way.
RE: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
Are you booting from the CD, or using a boot disk? Apparently there are problems when booting from the CD. -Original Message- From: Hazel Norman Teferle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2000 22:33 To: newbie newsgroup Subject: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help Hi there, I would really appreciate if someone could help me installing Linux for Windows of the latest PCPLUS CD-rom.
RE: [newbie] Linux for Windows Installation Help
At 23:13 02/04/00 , you wrote: Are you booting from the CD, or using a boot disk? Apparently there are problems when booting from the CD. See http://www.pcplus.co.uk/discs/ Ken Rodgers
Re: [newbie] linux to windows networking
Can you ping localhost (127.0.0.1)? Can you ping your eth0 card address? If you can, then try rebooting the Win system. I found that when I first setup the ethernet card, my win system had to be rebooted in order to see it. Don't know why, and don't have to do it anymore. Curtis Lloyd wrote: Hi, All I am having trouble getting my Linux and windows machine to "see" each other on a network. I have done everything that has come to mind. Tried pinging..nothing! Any ideas would be appreciated! thanks, Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows mixed network
-Original Message- From: Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ripcrd6 wrote: I finally started working on networking my machines. I have one here at work I started setting up during lunch. This PC will be a dual boot Windows 95 and Mu Linux, the other two machines are a 100% Mandrake box and a Windows 95 box that may later be dual boot or 100% Linux. I'm following some instructions for the Windows portion I found online, but have this question. If this box will be in the mix with Linux, do I need to set up NetBEUI at all or as the default file and printer sharing? Is this what Samba replaces? Should I completely remove NetBEUI or would it be used to communicate with the other Windows box? You'll probably need NetBEUI on the clients if you're going to be running Samba on the Linux server. If you're not interested in Samba, you could stick with straight TCP/IP for all machines. I am interested in Samba. I was just wondering if NetBeui was required or would interfere. The reason I thought I needed it was that the PC directly connected to the printer is a Win/Lose 95 box. I have heard plenty of bad stuff about NetBeui though and would rather not use it if possible. Hear it's real slow. This is completely an experimental set up. I am going through a second education as I didn't have these cool toys when I first went to college. How do you turn a former manager into a Sys Admin? Give him Linux. I just want to play with some stuff and see how to set up networking. Brian Quite fun, isn't it? -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows mixed network
Ripcrd6 wrote: I finally started working on networking my machines. I have one here at work I started setting up during lunch. This PC will be a dual boot Windows 95 and Mu Linux, the other two machines are a 100% Mandrake box and a Windows 95 box that may later be dual boot or 100% Linux. I'm following some instructions for the Windows portion I found online, but have this question. If this box will be in the mix with Linux, do I need to set up NetBEUI at all or as the default file and printer sharing? Is this what Samba replaces? Should I completely remove NetBEUI or would it be used to communicate with the other Windows box? You'll probably need NetBEUI on the clients if you're going to be running Samba on the Linux server. If you're not interested in Samba, you could stick with straight TCP/IP for all machines. This is completely an experimental set up. I am going through a second education as I didn't have these cool toys when I first went to college. How do you turn a former manager into a Sys Admin? Give him Linux. I just want to play with some stuff and see how to set up networking. Brian Quite fun, isn't it? -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows mixed network
From: Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll probably need NetBEUI on the clients if you're going to be running Samba on the Linux server. If you're not interested in Samba, you could stick with straight TCP/IP for all machines. How so? Samba doesn't replace NetBEUI, it replaces a WinNT server. The SMB protocol works just fine over tcp/ip. Admittedly, I haven't done a _lot_ of work with it, but I'm able to share files and printers between my Linux, Win98, and WinNT boxes, using Samba over tcp/ip, without any trouble. The only value I see in NetBEUI is that you don't have to assign addresses, but that's not a big deal in a small LAN.
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windows mixed network
From: Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED] How so? Samba doesn't replace NetBEUI, it replaces a WinNT server. The You mean require? Either, actually--it almost sounded like you were saying that Samba was netbeui, or some such thing. My apologies. I've been dealing with NetBEUI/TCP/IP problems for the past two weeks at work. Eventually, you just don't care WHICH one you use as long as one works... :) "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid." I'm not sure I knew that Linux supported NetBEUI, although I guess that shouldn't surprise me (heck, it supports almost everything else).
