Re: 3400 Motorola WN825G
Subject: 3400 Motorola WN825G From: Wanda K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm trying to help a friend get his Powerbook 3400c rigged for wireless. Does anybody know if a Motorola WN825G card will work with the 3400c? -- Wanda K. I have no reference to it on my Wireless FAQ site. Is this a OEM version of the Lucent WaveLan/Orinoco card? Check the FCC ID number on the back of the card and compare it to the numbers I have on my FAQ. If they are the same, then the card may be compatable with the Orinoco drivers. Please see the note on Wireless FAQ about the Alvarion BreezeNET PC-DS.11b card. It is a OEM of the Lucent, but the rom does not let me use the Orinoco Mac software. This is the only OEM I found that does this. What OS is the 3400c using? Ken Vann == Old Mac's have new uses with WiFi. See my FAQ for what you need at http://www.powerbookwireless.net -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 problems
Hi all update i now have glod on the 3400 it has been plugged in for 5 hrs and now shows glod but thats it so far, I will keep updating but any more ideas are welcome. vicki On 10 Apr 2005, at 22:52, Manfred wrote: Hello, did you exhange the PRAM battery ? It is located on the small panel above the keyboard. Those battery is rechargable ( when not dead) It can also help to leave the 3400 for two days plugged in. So the PRAM battery can recharge. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 problems
Hello, did you exhange the PRAM battery ? It is located on the small panel above the keyboard. Those battery is rechargable ( when not dead) It can also help to leave the 3400 for two days plugged in. So the PRAM battery can recharge. Things that i have tried are removed every thing from the logic board of the bad 3400 and replaced it with the good parts starts straight up shows a 200mhz cpu in system profiler, all fine. put all the other parts on the known good logic board nothing. I changed every part 1 by 1 that's ram hdd power-board ethernet card screen and every time only one book starts the other is not even getting glod. i really do not understand. -- +---+ | () Gruesse/regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | /\ Manfred Guentnerwww.serv.de.eu.org | +---+ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400
--- victoria duggan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all this is mainly a question of what's it worth. I have a 3400/200 this was mine then to my daughter then back to me. when she broke her wallstreet she got it back again and now she wants to sell it and get another g3 laptop. So i need to know it's worth before i sell it on so i know what difference to make up in the wallstreet price. the config is al follows. 3400/200, 144mb ram, 6gb hdd, us keyboard, plastics in perfect condition, has battery that give 1hr 35mins internet use, wifi card, cd rom 12x and floppy drive, psu. scsi adapter for connecting to rear. good bag, running system 9.1 and office and appleworks 6. also other various apps. has all the lastest updates for the installed system loaded and working fine. All i need to know is a value. Well I got mine on eBay with same specs except 180 Mhz and no wifi card for 152. Mine was acting up and so I had put all the 3400s currently for sale on a watch list. One ended yesterday for 187.50 that has everything your s has but a 2 gig drive instead of 6 and no wifi card. Most of the time they go from 150 to 200 depending on how many extras are tossed in. I'd say the max you'd get would be 200. Matt aka HamletUSMC http://www.geocities.com/hamletusmc/ PB 3400, Bondi iMac/333, Blueberry iMac/350 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - solved and an OT question.
Fluxstringer wrote: Glad it's working Brian. Before you put much on the drive you might consider reformatting it extended . That would be HFS+ formatting and allow more files on the disk and faster searches as it is more efficient. Thanks, that was a good suggestion. I went through the reload process and used extended this time. Right off the bat the difference was obvious, I picked up what seemed like a couple of gigs just loading the os. Out of 38 formatted I had something like 36 and change left the first time using normal formatting. Under extended it showed 37 and change. I forget the numbers exactly but it was a huge difference. Most noticeable now is the absolute lack of noise from the 3400. The samsung drive is silent, and much faster. This is a much recommended change for anyone who wants to tinker. It would have gone much quicker if I'd remembered that 9.1 won't boot but 8.5 will. The OT question is : What does everyone name their hard drives and/or computers on your network? I figure with the creative crowd here in Powerbooks there might be some pretty neat names for drives/computers out there. Mine have names such as Waldo, Dude, Bubba, Buddy, Bedmac, Kathjam, and, my favorite, Bobomb (from the Mario games). Any cool ones in the ether? BM -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - solved and an OT question.
I used to have Lisa Simpson saying I am the Lizard Queen! as a startup sound, so of course the hard drive was named Lizard Queen. Then there was Lizard Queen 2 and 3. But I lost that sound bite, so now I name it after the machine: 3400c and 190cs. Ted -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - solved
Turns out neither 9.1 CD I had would boot. 8.5.1 would, so that's where I am now. There wasn't much interactivity, only a choice between Mac standard or Mac extended formats for the drive. I chose standard since I didn't know the difference. So the drive works, I am back to 80 megs of RAM and it's sunny here in Toronto, although there will be no hockey this season it seems. Thanks to everyone, again. BM -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - solved
Glad it's working Brian. Before you put much on the drive you might consider reformatting it extended . That would be HFS+ formatting and allow more files on the disk and faster searches as it is more efficient. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - solved
--- Brian Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's sunny here in Toronto, although there will be no hockey this season it seems. Thanks to everyone, again. BM -- I feel your pain, as Bill would put it. No L.A. Kings down here either! __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - one more question
Was it a Powerbook specific CD ? ( Not absolutely necessary ) You probably should have had to deal with an installer icon and agree to the license agreement and offered the chance of a custom install. The CD should boot by holding down the C key after hitting the power button and hearing the startup chime. Did you press any reset button to dump NVRAM ? You ,may have to use disk setup to format the disk also. Use HFS + format. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - one more question
Fluxstringer wrote: Was it a Powerbook specific CD ? ( Not absolutely necessary ) You probably should have had to deal with an installer icon and agree to the license agreement and offered the chance of a custom install. The CD should boot by holding down the C key after hitting the power button and hearing the startup chime. Did you press any reset button to dump NVRAM ? You ,may have to use disk setup to format the disk also. Use HFS + format. The CD was PB specific (pretty sure) but there was no installer icon and no agreement. I pressed the space bar, which I thought was the key sequence for booting from the CD. I pressed the reset button but only for a fraction of a second, thinking that since the PRAM had been out for an hour that all would be reset. Would I still have to push the reset for a minute or so? And I thought there would be some format choice but none has appeared. I will give it a bit and then maybe reboot it. Damn, I hope I don't have to tear it apart again. Thanks Flux. bm -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 swap nears end - one more question
Fluxstringer wrote: Was it a Powerbook specific CD ? ( Not absolutely necessary ) You probably should have had to deal with an installer icon and agree to the license agreement and offered the chance of a custom install. The CD should boot by holding down the C key after hitting the power button and hearing the startup chime. Did you press any reset button to dump NVRAM ? You ,may have to use disk setup to format the disk also. Use HFS + format. The CD was PB specific (pretty sure) but there was no installer icon and no agreement. I pressed the space bar, which I thought was the key sequence for booting from the CD. I pressed the reset button but only for a fraction of a second, thinking that since the PRAM had been out for an hour that all would be reset. Would I still have to push the reset for a minute or so? And I thought there would be some format choice but none has appeared. I will give it a bit and then maybe reboot it. Damn, I hope I don't have to tear it apart again. Thanks Flux. You need to hit the reset for about 30 seconds to be sure it dumps. NVRAM is a different animal than PRAM. Then hold down the C key quickly after pushing the power key. Hold it down until it boots. I assume this machine is like other Macs in this respect. I don't know if the 3400 has my 1400's habit of starting up with a black screen after a reset. If so just adjust the brightness back up. Good luck and you are very welcome, -- Adrian -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Hi listers and listerines. I did a clean install of 9.1 over the 9.2.2 OS. That fixed the freezies. If I get brave, I might 'upgrade' and see what kills my PB. Thanks for all the suggestions, Dennis Me again. That does it. I'm going to try a complete os install starting from 9.1. I just tried IE 5.1 without the SLP extension and it froze again. I won't post anymore til I try from 9.1. Thanks for all the help tho, Dennis On 18-Nov-04, at 12:56 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote: Hi Ben, I fired her up and un checked the slp extension. I went to reboot and it has now been frozen since 10:03 in the morning so I think that is too slow. I think I'm going to find my 9.1 Cd and reinstall with 'helper'. I have to start at the beginning I believe. First I'll force reboot and try again. Thanks, Dennis On 17-Nov-04, at 1:57 PM, VidaVerde Seed Collection wrote: how about . . . Mac OS 9: IP File Sharing Delay This document discusses possible delays that may occur when using file sharing over IP with Mac OS 9. If you are experiencing one or more of the following problems while using file sharing over IP: * long delays in waking your system when changing networks * long delays on Startup or Shut Down * long delays when starting or stopping file sharing Use the Extensions Manager control panel to disable the SLPPlugin extension. For related information see technical document 106106 Mac OS 9.1: Services Location Protocol (SLP) Changes. - worth a try? let us know if it helps Ben -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
how about . . . Mac OS 9: IP File Sharing Delay This document discusses possible delays that may occur when using file sharing over IP with Mac OS 9. If you are experiencing one or more of the following problems while using file sharing over IP: * long delays in waking your system when changing networks * long delays on Startup or Shut Down * long delays when starting or stopping file sharing Use the Extensions Manager control panel to disable the SLPPlugin extension. For related information see technical document 106106 Mac OS 9.1: Services Location Protocol (SLP) Changes. - worth a try? let us know if it helps Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Hi Ben, I fired her up and un checked the slp extension. I went to reboot and it has now been frozen since 10:03 in the morning so I think that is too slow. I think I'm going to find my 9.1 Cd and reinstall with 'helper'. I have to start at the beginning I believe. First I'll force reboot and try again. Thanks, Dennis On 17-Nov-04, at 1:57 PM, VidaVerde Seed Collection wrote: how about . . . Mac OS 9: IP File Sharing Delay This document discusses possible delays that may occur when using file sharing over IP with Mac OS 9. If you are experiencing one or more of the following problems while using file sharing over IP: * long delays in waking your system when changing networks * long delays on Startup or Shut Down * long delays when starting or stopping file sharing Use the Extensions Manager control panel to disable the SLPPlugin extension. For related information see technical document 106106 Mac OS 9.1: Services Location Protocol (SLP) Changes. - worth a try? let us know if it helps Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Me again. That does it. I'm going to try a complete os install starting from 9.1. I just tried IE 5.1 without the SLP extension and it froze again. I won't post anymore til I try from 9.1. Thanks for all the help tho, Dennis On 18-Nov-04, at 12:56 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote: Hi Ben, I fired her up and un checked the slp extension. I went to reboot and it has now been frozen since 10:03 in the morning so I think that is too slow. I think I'm going to find my 9.1 Cd and reinstall with 'helper'. I have to start at the beginning I believe. First I'll force reboot and try again. Thanks, Dennis On 17-Nov-04, at 1:57 PM, VidaVerde Seed Collection wrote: how about . . . Mac OS 9: IP File Sharing Delay This document discusses possible delays that may occur when using file sharing over IP with Mac OS 9. If you are experiencing one or more of the following problems while using file sharing over IP: * long delays in waking your system when changing networks * long delays on Startup or Shut Down * long delays when starting or stopping file sharing Use the Extensions Manager control panel to disable the SLPPlugin extension. For related information see technical document 106106 Mac OS 9.1: Services Location Protocol (SLP) Changes. - worth a try? let us know if it helps Ben -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:41:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Are you sure it is just not taking a very long time to shut down? That is what happens w/ my 3400c/180 w/ OS 9.1... sometimes as long as a minute(!). Craig W. Atlanta, GA Power corrupts. Absolute power's a blast. - John Fund -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Hi Craig, I left it, went for a coffee break and came back. Nada. And I have a 240mhz one. I wonder if there are log files like in OSX? Thanks for the help, Dennis On 16-Nov-04, at 11:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:41:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Are you sure it is just not taking a very long time to shut down? That is what happens w/ my 3400c/180 w/ OS 9.1... sometimes as long as a minute(!). Craig W. Atlanta, GA Power corrupts. Absolute power's a blast. - John Fund -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
OOPs forgot to snip. My appologies to the list, Dennis On 16-Nov-04, at 11:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:41:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Are you sure it is just not taking a very long time to shut down? That is what happens w/ my 3400c/180 w/ OS 9.1... sometimes as long as a minute(!). Craig W. Atlanta, GA Power corrupts. Absolute power's a blast. - John Fund -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
As an aside, I just set up my 3400c with an Orinoco silver card and, after following the README instructions (which I never do) , the thing is pretty cool and pretty fast on the 'net. Goodness, wireless is fun! A lot of people are shocked at how responsive a seven-year-old 3400c is when they first get their hands on one. You can see why it was a $5,000 piece of hardware back in 1997. Can anyone explain to this Windows guy what exactly Finder is? Like what is a windows counterpart to it? The kernel? I know the finder is always running so I assume it is like Explorer (not the internet one) . Yes, the Finder is roughly the equivalent of Windows Explorer. Apparently, Apple did something to the Finder in 9.2.x that made it somewhat more responsive than in 9.1, which is why the third-party hacks exist for installing 9.2 on unsupported systems. What I did, and be aware this doesn't work for everyone, either, is boot to a Zip disk with a barebones 8.1 on it, then go onto my hard drive and remove the Finder, Open Transport and TCP/IP stack from a de-blessed 9.2 System Folder. I put them in my active 9.1 folder, then rebooted the 3400 to the 9.1 folder. The transplant was successful in my case. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
www.macos9forever.com shoudl set you straight on what you need. It's actually just www.os9forever.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Tried 9.2 several times. Internet would NEVER work and the 3400 would freeze all the time. 9.1 is cool, stable and enough for me. A sow's ear etc. It seems to work for some and not for others. My 3400 was never stable in 9.2, but I was able to pick up a little more speed by re-installing 9.1 and then replacing the Finder and OT components from a 9.2 system folder into my 9.1 installation. The 9.2 Finder is clearly more responsive than the 9.1 version. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
As an aside, I just set up my 3400c with an Orinoco silver card and, after following the README instructions (which I never do) , the thing is pretty cool and pretty fast on the 'net. Goodness, wireless if fun! After all the trouble of trying out 9.2, and I never did try your trick of putting some 9.2 stuff in, I'll stick to 9.1 but hell, I might give that 9.2 finder a try. Can anyone explain to this Windows guy what exactly Finder is? Like what is a windows counterpart to it? The kernel? I know the finder is always running so I assume it is like Explorer (not the internet one) . bm -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Hi Ben, thanks for the reminder. I'll try that later today. Have a great day, Dennis On 11-Nov-04, at 2:56 PM, VidaVerde Seed Collection wrote: you need to reinstall acouple of bits from 9.1, can't quite remeber whcih. I think the Powerbook G3/3400 Modem extension is one of them. And perhaps soemthing to do with firewire was a problem...? www.macos9forever.com shoudl set you straight on what you need. Ben (with a 3400 running a mix of 9.1 9.2 ) -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Tried 9.2 several times. Internet would NEVER work and the 3400 would freeze all the time. 9.1 is cool, stable and enough for me. A sow's ear etc. bm -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
My built-in ethernet works good. I tried adding the OS9 Firewire and modem extensions but they were already loaded so I went over top of them just in case. Still no dice. 9.1 looks better all the time. Thanks for the help, Dennis On 12-Nov-04, at 11:07 PM, Brian Mahoney wrote: Tried 9.2 several times. Internet would NEVER work and the 3400 would freeze all the time. 9.1 is cool, stable and enough for me. A sow's ear etc. bm -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
On Thursday, November 11, 2004, at 01:32PM, Dennis Descoteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Among other considerations, the PowerBook 3400c does not support Mac OS 9.2.x, even though some folks manage to install such with patches. See the following Apple Support document for system requirements: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106436 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Aw, come on folks. Where is that awesome sense of challenge? :) I am aware of the system requirements tho. Thanks, Dennis On 11-Nov-04, at 3:45 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Thursday, November 11, 2004, at 01:32PM, Dennis Descoteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Among other considerations, the PowerBook 3400c does not support Mac OS 9.2.x, even though some folks manage to install such with patches. See the following Apple Support document for system requirements: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106436 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Hi, No expert here, but I did have a PB that did a similar thing with 9.1 I eventually went to the system folder/preferences and took the system preference and the finder preference and put them in the trash without emptying it, and then restarted. The machine ran fine and I emptied the trash. Maybe this will help. we1 On Nov 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote: Aw, come on folks. Where is that awesome sense of challenge? :) I am aware of the system requirements tho. Thanks, Dennis On 11-Nov-04, at 3:45 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Thursday, November 11, 2004, at 01:32PM, Dennis Descoteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Among other considerations, the PowerBook 3400c does not support Mac OS 9.2.x, even though some folks manage to install such with patches. See the following Apple Support document for system requirements: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106436 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't shut down with 9.2.2
Thanks we1. I'll try that a little later today. Later, Dennis On 11-Nov-04, at 4:02 PM, we1 wrote: Hi, No expert here, but I did have a PB that did a similar thing with 9.1 I eventually went to the system folder/preferences and took the system preference and the finder preference and put them in the trash without emptying it, and then restarted. The machine ran fine and I emptied the trash. Maybe this will help. we1 On Nov 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote: Aw, come on folks. Where is that awesome sense of challenge? :) I am aware of the system requirements tho. Thanks, Dennis On 11-Nov-04, at 3:45 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Thursday, November 11, 2004, at 01:32PM, Dennis Descoteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just got his PB and the above problem appears. I searched the archives but did not see any related items. The only troubleshooting I did was to notice that if I only booted to the desktop it would shutdown from the 'special' menu. By not shutting down I mean that it freezes at the desktop, the cursor moves but the dropdowns don't work. If I force quit and re-boot to the desktop, I can shut down. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dennis Among other considerations, the PowerBook 3400c does not support Mac OS 9.2.x, even though some folks manage to install such with patches. See the following Apple Support document for system requirements: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106436 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400/198 = 3400/240?
Which begs the question for me...Apple knew this board was capable of at least 50 MHz bus speeds, since they did it on the Kanga. Why did they cripple the 603 models with anemic bus speeds when a 10 percent increase can offset a 20 percent difference in clockspeed? Although the 3400 and 3500 are similar, you cant necessarily say its capable of 50 MHz bus speed. The ICs on the motherboard may not be rated for that speed, and the RAM may have the same problem. Getting the bus speed to 44 MHz doesnt surprise though. Here's a screenshot of the comparsion if anyone's interested... http://athalawulf.com/desktop198.jpg As a side note, I know there was some discussion about possibly replacing the failing IC's that cause 3400 sleeping sickness. Did anyone figure out a way to do this, and if so, how? I wouldn't mind fixing my 240 MHz board if I could. I have tried, and tried, and swapped many ICs and I have had no luck so far. Mad Dog -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400/198 = 3400/240?
Although the 3400 and 3500 are similar, you cant necessarily say its capable of 50 MHz bus speed. The ICs on the motherboard may not be rated for that speed, and the RAM may have the same problem. Getting the bus speed to 44 MHz doesnt surprise though. I've heard of people getting the 180 MHz boards up to a 50 MHz bus for a clockspeed of 225 MHz, but mine locked up at that speed when I tried it. I had a 44, a 48 and a 50 MHz crystal, but the 48 and 50 both failed. I was thinking it was either the onboard RAM or the cache holding me back. I really didn't expect to make 225 anyway when I saw the CPU; it was an older stepping on a larger process than my 240. I wish I'd had a 45 and a 46 to try, but no such luck. I think 44 works most of the time. I remember another listmember reaching 264/44 with a 240 MHz 3400 earlier this year. I have tried, and tried, and swapped many ICs and I have had no luck so far. Hmmm...it might work with the one on my new board, but I'm not going to sacrifice it in order to find out. I'm pleasantly surprised with how it performs at 198 MHz, plus I have the knowledge that it's a brand new board with a new IC on it. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 8:43 AM -0400 on 10/8/04, Kenneth Vann wittily wrote: Paypal and its parent eBay upgrade their software (the new eBay 2.0) on or about June 5, 2004. They no longer fully support Mac OS 9 browsers. Their new eBay 2.0 is designed to work with Windows computers only. They wont admit this, but that is what has happened. Here is what I have found out that does not work with Paypal. iCab, cannot change funding source, it gives you a new page asking to add a new bank account. Unable to complete payments because of this. Cannot send a trouble report by their web based system, buttons don't work when you try to send the report. Prior to this upgrade, iCab worked in all functions. iCab version 2.9.7 2.9.8 IE, pages don't load, buttons don't work, this varies from day to day as Paypal changes the coding on each page. Unable to complete payments because of this. Prior to this upgrade, IE works in all functions. IE version 5.1.7 Opera, will work but I don't like it. Opera v6.0.3 Netscape, have not tried it, but was advised by Paypal support that it has problems also. Netscape v7.02 In iCab, eBay will lock up computer with large amounts of disk activity and expand ram usage ( from 3-4mb to 40+ mb) when you have more that 3 tabs open. This experience was with a PB1400/G3/466 upgrade and OS 8.6 9.1 and an iMac/rev a, with OS8.6 and 256mb ram (with iMac its about 5 tabs open before I get problems). With more than three tabs open, it can take up to 5 minutes of disk activity to open or close a tab. When I created filters to cut down on some of the advertisements, ebay started downloading 5k and 10k PDF files which were the ads I was trying to block. I guess this is what push advertising is. Push the adds to the viewer no mater what. I deleted my filters and deselected the PDF viewer in iCab to stop this. No other web site I have been to has ever done this. Prior to eBay v2.0 upgrade this was not a problem. Its important to note that of all the browsers for the Mac and OS9 or below, only iCab is still being upgraded. A good reason to support shareware. There are thousands if not millions of Mac users with G3 and G4 machines running various flavors of OS 9 or below. These users do not want to upgrade to OSX, some cannot upgrade, but their Mac's are fully capable of surfing the web. There is no reason not to support these users. This is not a problem where your machine is underpowered, this is a coding problem. They are using HTML to preform functions as though it was an application. Please call Paypal customer service line and let them know you want them to support Mac's and OS 9. PayPal US toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161 or please call 1-402-935-2107. Avrage hold time 30 minutes. Ken Vann I use Netscape 7.02 and I can access all features of eBay including uploading pictures and I use it for PayPal and I can use all of the features there too. You should try with Netscape 7.02, it works fine for me. -- Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl Blessings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 5:27 PM -0400 on 10/8/04, Beverly Woods wittily wrote: Ken wrote: Paypal and its parent eBay upgrade their software (the new eBay 2.0) on or about June 5, 2004. They no longer fully support Mac OS 9 browsers. Their new eBay 2.0 is designed to work with Windows computers only. They wont admit this, but that is what has happened. Here is what I have found out that does not work with Paypal. iCab, cannot change funding source, it gives you a new page asking to add a new bank account. Unable to complete payments because of this. Cannot send a trouble report by their web based system, buttons don't work when you try to send the report. Prior to this upgrade, iCab worked in all functions. () Please call Paypal customer service line and let them know you want them to support Mac's and OS 9. PayPal US toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161 or please call 1-402-935-2107. I had this exact experience and called Paypal tech support, whereupon they told me straight out that they were not supporting any classic Mac browsers, or IE in any format, any more. I pointed out that it would be very nice if they bothered to tell customers this anywhere on their site, instead of having thousands of us simply try to do something that worked the day before and suddenly have it not work for no obvious reason, leading to endless wasted time trying to get things to work, etc. I also tried to impress upon them that a large part of their customer base was running Classic Mac OS. The tech responded with a mantra of: Security, security, security... saying none of these browsers were up to their high security standards. I pointed out that my banking and credit card companies all managed to make their sites work with browsers I use. He insisted that their security was not up to the stellar level that Paypal is committed to. :-P In any case, while I have lots of problems getting pages to load in Mozilla, I have actually managed to get some Paypal transactions done successfully in that, and in Netscape 4.79 (which, however, crashes Macs if you even try to load an eBay page in it, at least for myself and several of my customers.) I will be interested to hear what happens if people call Paypal. Please feel free to write me (offlist, please! as this is venturing into the OT) with your experiences, as I may write an LEM column about it. Beverly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Beverly Woods Visit my Low End Mac column: http://www.lowendmac.com/woods/index.html music website: http://www.sethausten.com/ -- I use Netscape 7.02 and I can access all features of eBay including uploading pictures and I use it for PayPal and I can use all of the features there too. I have used it recently this past month and at both places, and the only issue that is see is that eBay tells me that my browser setttings prevent it from redirecting automatically when I log in and I have to click a link. Have you tried Netscape 7.02? You should try with Netscape 7.02, it works fine for me. -- Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl Blessings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 6:15 PM -0500 on 10/11/04, Howard R. Katz wittily wrote: I confirmed that the new PayPal setup isn't compatible with iCab and sent the info on to Alexander at iCab. Interestingly, I _can_ get on to paypal using lynx on my linux shell account. Going thru a hidden link, I was able to get online, and get to the send money page. (Granted, I'm only set up to have it get cash from my banking account.) So--macLynx might be of use here. It's not pretty under text-based but it you can at least make your payments. Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. -- I logged on to PayPal today at 10/17/2004 using Netscape 7.02 and though I didn't make any payments or do anything else I could biew my history etc. -- Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl Blessings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- Dennis Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- I logged on to PayPal today at 10/17/2004 using Netscape 7.02 and though I didn't make any payments or do anything else I could view my history etc. I made a PayPal payment with Mozilla recently FWIW. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS . .. and MacTCP Watcher!
At 09:06 AM +0100 10/15/2004, VidaVerde wrote: OK, while we're all thinking on this, can anyone explain why it is that my percieved connection speed almost doubles - in all internet apps - when I have MacTCP Watcher open Since I noticed this, if I find a site too slow, I just start it up and away we go . . I can only guess that MacTCP watcher is in some way giving TCP/IP a higher interrupt priority or something? hum. Watcher works by inserting a module into your IP stack. It's all interrupt driven, and that level doesn't change. There could be some forced buffer flushes happening, I guess. Try some big downloads; see if there's any change over a long term. Also try some of the speed tests at www.dslreports.com. They have a long list of tests, by location - see if you can find one that's near you. OS Z1-9.1 Plain system + USB support PB 3400/240 144/40 OT 2.7.6 MacTCP Watcher 2.0 (from 1996, don't know if its still available or newer?) Watcher was merged into Anarchie, which in turn became Interarchy. With OS 9.1, stick with Watcher 2.0. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal no Flash
From iCab support: Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 14 03:34:49 2004 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:33:39 +0200 From: Alexander Clauss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Howard R. Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: People reporting problems FYI, a lot of folk are commenting that they can't use iCab to upload pictures to eBay. This is a known problem and the fault is at ebays side. Also many other browsers can't use this feature of ebay without problems. ebay seems to care only for IE for Windows. But ebay offers an alternative: You can put the images on your own web space and just enter the URLs to these images in the ebay form. This will work in all browsers. -- Alexander Clauss -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
There is an item on Slashdot.org that Pay-Pal has been messed up since last week because of a software update, this affected everyone. - Original Message - From: Howard R. Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused! I confirmed that the new PayPal setup isn't compatible with iCab and sent the info on to Alexander at iCab. Interestingly, I _can_ get on to paypal using lynx on my linux shell account. Going thru a hidden link, I was able to get online, and get to the send money page. (Granted, I'm only set up to have it get cash from my banking account.) So--macLynx might be of use here. It's not pretty under text-based but it you can at least make your payments. Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 03:59 PM, VidaVerde wrote: Brian said he just completed a PayPal transaction using 9.1/ IE 5.1. 1400/G3. CCarbonlib etc.I think he's the **only** person so far who can do this. This could be really important. Brian, can you let us know the exact version of IE and CarbonLib you have (IE 5.1.7 is what I have), and what flavour of the OS (what country type - though I'm clutching at straws here) no, Drew and someone else said they had no issues as well. It's IE 5.1.7, 9.1 (US), 1400/G3. Carbonlib 1.6 but as Drew said, IE doesn't use Carbonlib. Re Paypal, I probably could complete payments in iCab just fine *if* were paying from my bank account. It's the Change Funding Source choice that does not work: it should give you a chance to choose credit card, but in iCab it dumps me into a screen for adding a new bank account instead, and there is no way for me to put a purchase on a credit card unless I change browsers. Has anyone been successful paying through Paypal with a credit card using iCab? Beverly -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
-- Beverly Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone been successful paying through Paypal with a credit card using iCab? Beverly Yes, no problem. Until today. Can't even log into PayPal from Moz, IE or iCab. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I confirmed that the new PayPal setup isn't compatible with iCab and sent the info on to Alexander at iCab. Interestingly, I _can_ get on to paypal using lynx on my linux shell account. Going thru a hidden link, I was able to get online, and get to the send money page. (Granted, I'm only set up to have it get cash from my banking account.) So--macLynx might be of use here. It's not pretty under text-based but it you can at least make your payments. Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 03:59 PM, VidaVerde wrote: Brian said he just completed a PayPal transaction using 9.1/ IE 5.1. 1400/G3. CCarbonlib etc.I think he's the **only** person so far who can do this. This could be really important. Brian, can you let us know the exact version of IE and CarbonLib you have (IE 5.1.7 is what I have), and what flavour of the OS (what country type - though I'm clutching at straws here) no, Drew and someone else said they had no issues as well. It's IE 5.1.7, 9.1 (US), 1400/G3. Carbonlib 1.6 but as Drew said, IE doesn't use Carbonlib. Brian -- WARNING! Acme constructs each Klein Bottle from genuine Baryonic matter. Do not allow your Acme Klein Bottle to come in contact with antimatter or unpredictable results may occur. Acme cannot guarantee the dimensionality of the result. http://www.kleinbottle.com (not an affiliate, just aficionado) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 01:36 PM, maxtek wrote: Yes but you didn't upload a pic to Ebay! That is the main point I brought up when I posted this same question a couple of months ago on the iMac list and on 'fritter. Well, darm0k said a bit ago they could not even *start* an ebay auction. But you can start one, just not upload a picture? I have nothing I need to auction (well that's not true, I've bought computer stuff and told my wife other things would go to ebay to make room for it :) but I have no time to deal with shipping or anything. I'd be happy to try and build an auction for you though, using my 1400, but really doubt you want to share your ebay account info to that degree... :) how far into the auction stuff do I have to get to show your problem? If I can cancel after that point without the auction being finalized, I'll test for you. If Paypal has fixed the problem than I am amazed but happy. I use paypal about once every 2 weeks from my 1400, and I've never notice it failing. Strange issues here! Brian -- ... we parted each feeling superior to the other and is not that feeling after all one of the great desiderata of social intercourse -archy _The Life and Times of Archy and Mehitabel_ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I was able to upload pictures to E-bay using my Dad's PB1400 (OS8.6). I used the wamcom Mozilla 1.3.1 http://www.wamcom.org/ and Netscape 6.2 and uploaded one photo each for six auctions. I didn't use E-bay's photo upload tool, I just browsed to the photo on my hard drive. Unfortunately I didn't have any PayPal payments to make before I shipped the 1400 of to Cambridge but I'll try and rember to use the Wamcom Mozilla on my Lombard (OS 9.2.2) next time I need to make a payment. -- Andrew in Ann Arbor technology is the answer, what was the question? -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, IE no Flash
Please someone tell me there is a preference setting in IE to STOP IT FROM TELLING ME I NEED THE FLASH PLUG-IN Or is my only hope a nasty email to Bill Gates? ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 01:56 PM -0700 10/08/2004, Mac wrote: Although I didn't do conclusive testing to proove it (if that is even possible), I have the distinct impression that all these browsers on my macs are more stable, freeze crash less, when Flash is not installed. Anyone else have this impression or is it just a figment? Not a figment. A proven fact, IMO. :) Back when iCab 2.9.8 was first released, I did some comparison testing using both iCab and Moz. In addition to the speed problem, there are definately memory leak and stack corruption bugs in the Flash plug-in. I sent full bug reports, including stdlogs, to Macromedia, covering 7 versions of Flash, from 5.0r41 to 7.0r19. iCab has other animation refresh issues with Flash, so I only have the plug-in installed for Moz currently. In general, I try to quit Moz as soon as I've finished with a Flash site. Flash's problems aren't limited to the plug-in. We have purchased several Flash-based games from Macromedia. Geeze are they buggy! You can watch them chew memory with About this Macintosh and Memory Mapper... As you play, they eat more and more memory. They get slower and slower, stop responding to key presses, and eventually freeze up. They crash OS 9 with a stack corruption. They hang Classic under Panther. And when run natively, they'll freeze Panther itself. ...I've noticed also the PC version of one of the games we bought will BSOD our Dell laptop. So I guess that means the problem is that Macromedia writes crap in general, not just for the Mac... FWIW, - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal no Flash
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:56 PM -0700 10/08/2004, Mac wrote: Although I didn't do conclusive testing to proove it (if that is even possible), I have the distinct impression that all these browsers on my macs are more stable, freeze crash less, when Flash is not installed. Anyone else have this impression or is it just a figment? Not a figment. A proven fact, IMO. :) Thanks for the confirmation, Dan. Maybe that's why I have less issues with eBay and PayPal on IE iCab. ie, no Flash. The only real issue I had and why I originially posted was Gmail (ActiveX). And Mozilla took care of that. Yahoo mail is even doable on iCab now although not perfect. I did try downloading one of the Yahoo iCab bits for the Filter Manager from Rob's site but it didn't seem to make any difference. There was an instruction to go to a yahoo mail URL only once to get it to work: http://us.f528.mail.yahoo.com/ym/BetaSwitcher?switch=1src=betadest=currentnof=1 but I didn't understand the logic even though I tried it. Maybe I didn't have all the identity settings right but if that was the case I would have thought that Rob would specify the correct settings if it mattered. BTW, do you use the MRJ Beta5(v1.0b5) plug-in for Mozilla? The Quicktime (v5.02) plug-in? Any others I should get? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal no Flash
At 08:31 AM -0700 10/09/2004, Mac wrote: BTW, do you use the MRJ Beta5(v1.0b5) plug-in for Mozilla? The Quicktime (v5.02) plug-in? Any others I should get? In Mozilla:Plug-ins, I have the Default stub, MRJPlugin 1.0b5, and Shockwave Flash NP-PPC 7.0r19. That's it. From System Folder:Plug-ins, Moz picks up QuickTime Plugin 6.0.3. FWIW, I think installing QuickTime 6 is one of the worst things I ever did. I should have stuck with QT 5.0.2 (which shipped with OS 9). QT 6 is slow crap. The mpegs I have now play at only 80% of their prior frame rate. And I'm totally unable to view DivX files. I installed QT 6 because I wanted mpeg-4 support. But it's so slow, my mpeg-4 videos are unwatchable. Instead I use a 200-MHz PC laptop. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 08:43 AM -0400 10/08/2004, Kenneth Vann top posted: iCab, cannot [etc; in PayPal] What iCab settings are you using? Are you identifying as iCab or spoofing as another browser? Do you have access referrer checked? Do the operations still fail if you set both the browser and javascript identities to iCab? In iCab, eBay will lock up computer with large amounts of disk activity and expand ram usage ( from 3-4mb to 40+ mb) when you have more that 3 tabs open. This experience was with a PB1400/G3/466 upgrade and OS 8.6 9.1 and an iMac/rev a, with OS8.6 and 256mb ram (with iMac its about 5 tabs open before I get problems). With more than three tabs open, it can take up to 5 minutes of disk activity to open or close a tab. I cannot reproduce this, under OS 8.6 or 9.2.2. Do you have specific URLs? When I created filters to cut down on some of the advertisements, ebay started downloading 5k and 10k PDF files which were the ads I was trying to block. I cannot reproduce this. Pls email to me detailed settings, a copy of this filter, and the URLs involved. Thx, - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
FYI... A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 4.xx or 7.xx, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Sure Ebay looks fine in Netscape 7.x (but is terribly slow using a phone modem) but technically DOES NOT WORK since one of the most important features just sits there and does nothing. An Ebay listing without a picture is pretty useless. Sure I can set up an outside account and host my own pictures, but that entails more steps that Ebay has provisions for. The same goes for Paypal. I was loading the first page fine, but when I tried to make payments etc. Netscape 7 was crapping out again. So if Ebay and Paypal have fixed these problems than I apologize but if they haven't I wouldn't say they render these sites fine with OS 9.2.2. So what DOES WORK? What works and has worked for me and my friends is Mozilla 1.2.1. We have been selling on Ebay, uploading pics to Ebay and making payments, withdrawing money etc. with Paypal. The only glitches I have found is a couple of javascripts in Ebay. One is the preview description link. It is right under the area where you write your description. I could care less about this glitch because you just have to go to the next page to see it previewed and if there is a problem you can hit the back button. MaxTek -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I posted almost the same question on the iMac list a month or so ago. I downloaded probably every conceivable browser for my machine (iMac G3 running OS 9.2.2). After a considerable amount of trial and error I found the best browser that works the best with Ebay and Paypal is Mozilla 1.2.1. http://www.mozilla.org/releases/old-releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html (The newer version of Mozilla won't upload pics to Ebay when your selling something). The only problems I have found with this version is it quits for no reason or quits when you go to the bookmark menu. This doesn't always happen but when it does a restart of the Mac usually clears it up. If your interested I posted this question a while back on the 'fritter. You can read it here: http://www.applefritter.com/node/view/3573 MaxTek -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
FYI... A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 4.xx or 7.xx, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Just bought the 2 DVD set of _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ on ebay, paid for it on paypal, no issues. 9.1/ IE 5.1. 1400/G3. CCarbonlib etc. Java (MRJ) is disabled in IE prefs. Not sure about JS. I'm not sure why people are using 9.2 on non-OSX machines. If someone is having trouble and it's 9.2, try making a 9.1 system folder? Brian -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 10:33 PM -0400 10/09/2004, Brian wrote: A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 4.xx or 7.xx, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Just bought the 2 DVD set of _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ on ebay, paid for it on paypal, no issues. 9.1/ IE 5.1. 1400/G3. CCarbonlib etc. Java (MRJ) is disabled in IE prefs. Not sure about JS. MRJ is not involved; neither eBay nor Paypal use Java. I'm not sure why people are using 9.2 on non-OSX machines. Because it's a good OS and includes a hundred+ bug fixes beyond OS 9.1, including some very important DHCP fixes. If someone is having trouble and it's 9.2, try making a 9.1 system folder? This is NOT an OS issue. It is a browser JavaScript issue. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
Paypal and its parent eBay upgrade their software (the new eBay 2.0) on or about June 5, 2004. They no longer fully support Mac OS 9 browsers. Their new eBay 2.0 is designed to work with Windows computers only. They wont admit this, but that is what has happened. Here is what I have found out that does not work with Paypal. iCab, cannot change funding source, it gives you a new page asking to add a new bank account. Unable to complete payments because of this. Cannot send a trouble report by their web based system, buttons don't work when you try to send the report. Prior to this upgrade, iCab worked in all functions. iCab version 2.9.7 2.9.8 IE, pages don't load, buttons don't work, this varies from day to day as Paypal changes the coding on each page. Unable to complete payments because of this. Prior to this upgrade, IE works in all functions. IE version 5.1.7 Opera, will work but I don't like it. Opera v6.0.3 Netscape, have not tried it, but was advised by Paypal support that it has problems also. Netscape v7.02 In iCab, eBay will lock up computer with large amounts of disk activity and expand ram usage ( from 3-4mb to 40+ mb) when you have more that 3 tabs open. This experience was with a PB1400/G3/466 upgrade and OS 8.6 9.1 and an iMac/rev a, with OS8.6 and 256mb ram (with iMac its about 5 tabs open before I get problems). With more than three tabs open, it can take up to 5 minutes of disk activity to open or close a tab. When I created filters to cut down on some of the advertisements, ebay started downloading 5k and 10k PDF files which were the ads I was trying to block. I guess this is what push advertising is. Push the adds to the viewer no mater what. I deleted my filters and deselected the PDF viewer in iCab to stop this. No other web site I have been to has ever done this. Prior to eBay v2.0 upgrade this was not a problem. Its important to note that of all the browsers for the Mac and OS9 or below, only iCab is still being upgraded. A good reason to support shareware. There are thousands if not millions of Mac users with G3 and G4 machines running various flavors of OS 9 or below. These users do not want to upgrade to OSX, some cannot upgrade, but their Mac's are fully capable of surfing the web. There is no reason not to support these users. This is not a problem where your machine is underpowered, this is a coding problem. They are using HTML to preform functions as though it was an application. Please call Paypal customer service line and let them know you want them to support Mac's and OS 9. PayPal US toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161 or please call 1-402-935-2107. Avrage hold time 30 minutes. Ken Vann Hello, all, I'm hoping your joint expertise can puzzle this one out. Our 3400's have always been hideously slow - to the point of choking - on some websites such as ebay. In particular, https seems to kill things. In the end I found that using iCab turning off JS made ebay bearable. But now, all of a sudden, I can't pay for anything with PayPal. I'm not aware of any changes that I've made , but its been a few months since I last tried. Any one else got this problem or is it just me? What happens is that it fails at the last 'review and confirm' screen - I click pay and it returns me to the same screen , or back to the start of the payment process in Ebay. Doesn't make any difference whether I start from ebay or paypal to do this. Looks like a JS problem? Except that its still no good even with JS on. Now I'm not sure if its either a problem with my particular machine, or all old macs/browsers. I have tried IE 5 and Communcator 4.7 with the same effect. Any ideas anyone? -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused! (fwd)
Here's the official word from iCab: :) Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:08:01 +0200 From: Alexander Clauss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Howard R. Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused! (fwd) Has anyone reported directly to you problems with posting items to ebay? (This whole thread has evolved beyond gmail into other areas. Personally, while I never sell on ebay, the rest of it works for me, and while some folk have reported iCab problems using paypal, it works fine for me, too.) The ebay web page is very badly written. It has lots of errors and issues in almost all browsers with the exception of IE for Windows. But with the right browser settings almost everything will work, even in iCab. -- Alexander Clauss -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
Although I didn't do conclusive testing to proove it (if that is even possible), I have the distinct impression that all these browsers on my macs are more stable, freeze crash less, when Flash is not installed. Anyone else have this impression or is it just a figment? ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
Ken wrote: Paypal and its parent eBay upgrade their software (the new eBay 2.0) on or about June 5, 2004. They no longer fully support Mac OS 9 browsers. Their new eBay 2.0 is designed to work with Windows computers only. They wont admit this, but that is what has happened. Here is what I have found out that does not work with Paypal. iCab, cannot change funding source, it gives you a new page asking to add a new bank account. Unable to complete payments because of this. Cannot send a trouble report by their web based system, buttons don't work when you try to send the report. Prior to this upgrade, iCab worked in all functions. () Please call Paypal customer service line and let them know you want them to support Mac's and OS 9. PayPal US toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161 or please call 1-402-935-2107. I had this exact experience and called Paypal tech support, whereupon they told me straight out that they were not supporting any classic Mac browsers, or IE in any format, any more. I pointed out that it would be very nice if they bothered to tell customers this anywhere on their site, instead of having thousands of us simply try to do something that worked the day before and suddenly have it not work for no obvious reason, leading to endless wasted time trying to get things to work, etc. I also tried to impress upon them that a large part of their customer base was running Classic Mac OS. The tech responded with a mantra of: Security, security, security... saying none of these browsers were up to their high security standards. I pointed out that my banking and credit card companies all managed to make their sites work with browsers I use. He insisted that their security was not up to the stellar level that Paypal is committed to. :-P In any case, while I have lots of problems getting pages to load in Mozilla, I have actually managed to get some Paypal transactions done successfully in that, and in Netscape 4.79 (which, however, crashes Macs if you even try to load an eBay page in it, at least for myself and several of my customers.) I will be interested to hear what happens if people call Paypal. Please feel free to write me (offlist, please! as this is venturing into the OT) with your experiences, as I may write an LEM column about it. Beverly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Beverly Woods Visit my Low End Mac column: http://www.lowendmac.com/woods/index.html music website: http://www.sethausten.com/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 01:17 PM +0100 10/05/2004, VidaVerde wrote: I'm intruiged by the person using iCab 2.9.8 with no problems just to be clear, I can use Ebay/PAyPal, just can't pay for anything. Just to be clear: I have no problems performing Buyer activities on eBay with iCab -- surfing, bidding, etc. But iCab hangs or otherwise fails (buttons don't work etc) when I do certain Seller activities, such as trying to start an auction. I have no problems at all doing PayPal functions with iCab. WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1 works fine with both sites. FWIW, - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 01:24 PM +0100 10/05/2004, VidaVerde wrote: You're using the current iCab build? 2.9.8, dated 18 April? Correct What browser and javascript identities are you using within iCab? NS 4.7.9 And therein lies part of the problem. Set iCab to identify as iCab. Don't spoof unless you absolutely have to. For PayPal you have the various JavaScript (ECMAScript) types enabled, except for JScript? This isn't being disabled by default or via a Filter? Have ticked execute 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 Turn on all the versions of JavaScript, except JScript. Ithought MRJ 2.2.5 couldn't do higher than JScript 1.2 ??? Never heard of that. JScript Java. JScript is MS' bastardization / takeover attempt of JavaScript. - but remember I cant get IE or Netscape to work either, and I thought that NS at least used a completely seperate JS (not from MRJ) You are confusing JavaScript and Java. JavaScript (or more formally ECMAScript) is a html scripting language driven from within the browser. Each browser has its own engine. Java is a programming language. The run-time environment is either Apple's MRJ or MS' or Netscape's. Nothing to do with JavaScript. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 11:35 PM -0400 10/05/2004, Brian Braunschweiger wrote: I can view most stuff on eBay but it takes a long time to load Try turning off Gallery images in the (sub)category listings. Their grody HTML and JavaScript aside, the biggest bog is usually from eBay's picture servers. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 8:12 AM -0400 on 10/5/04, maxtek wittily wrote: FYI... A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 7, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Sure Ebay looks fine in Netsape (but is terribly slow using a phone modem) but technically does NOT work since one of the most important features just sits there and does nothing. An Ebay listing without a picture is pretty useless. Sure I can set up an outside account and host my own pictures, but that entails more steps that Ebay has provisions for. The same goes for Paypal. I was loading the first page fine, but when I tried to make payments etc. Netscape 7 was crapping out again. So if Ebay and Paypal have fixed these problems than I apologize but if they haven't I wouldn't say they render these sites fine with OS 9.2.2 MaxTek -- Most everything is slow with a phone modem, iCab is pretty fast though. I use a cable modem, but I was using a phone modem a few months ago. I don't recall if iCab can upload pictures or not, but I do know that Netscape 7.02 does upload pictures just fine as I have done so for an auction of mine. I also don't know if IE 5.1.7 will upload pictures or not either, but one could try, just like one can try with iCab and see if it will upload pictures. I do know that iCab doesn't handle the drop down things that look like arrows pointing down on eBay which one can use to select actions. -- Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl Blessings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:24 PM +0100 10/05/2004, VidaVerde wrote: You're using the current iCab build? 2.9.8, dated 18 April? Correct What browser and javascript identities are you using within iCab? NS 4.7.9 And therein lies part of the problem. Set iCab to identify as iCab. You mean the JavaScript Identity/Settings pref? Set to iCab v 2.98 (default)? Don't spoof unless you absolutely have to. What about the Internet Identity / Proxies pref setting? When I set it to iCab I couldn't even log into this Yahoo mail account. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 05:58 AM -0700 10/06/2004, Mac wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therein lies part of the problem. Set iCab to identify as iCab. You mean the JavaScript Identity/Settings pref? Set to iCab v 2.98 (default)? Don't spoof unless you absolutely have to. What about the Internet Identity / Proxies pref setting? Set both the browser and javascript identies to iCab. When I set it to iCab I couldn't even log into this Yahoo mail account. Yahoo is a special case. Their HTML is broken. To make iCab work with Yahoo! Mail, create a filter specifically for Yahoo with the necessary identity and script settings. There are detailed directions in the iCab Yahoo! Group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icab/ Or you could do something silly - don't use Yahoo Mail. There are hundreds of free email services out there that offer POP3. ...There's a chicken the egg problem here. Companies signed the MS IE-only contract to get cheap web servers. Then management reviews the usage logs and sees that 98% of their customers use IE, so they see no need to break the MS deal or force their developers to use the international standards. And we'll never show up on those reports because those of us who don't use IE have set our browsers to spoof as IE... - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
FYI... A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 7, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Sure Ebay looks fine in Netsape (but is terribly slow using a phone modem) but technically does NOT work since one of the most important features just sits there and does nothing. An Ebay listing without a picture is pretty useless. Sure I can set up an outside account and host my own pictures, but that entails more steps that Ebay has provisions for. The same goes for Paypal. I was loading the first page fine, but when I tried to make payments etc. Netscape 7 was crapping out again. So if Ebay and Paypal have fixed these problems than I apologize but if they haven't I wouldn't say they render these sites fine with OS 9.2.2 MaxTek -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 08:12 AM -0400 10/05/2004, maxtek wrote: A lot of people are saying Ebay works with Netscape 7, iCab or IE 5 and OS 9.2.2 etc. When you say it works I hope you have tried uploading a picture to Ebay or making a payment in Paypal. These are javascripts, that (as of the last time I tried it, the first week of last August) DO NOT work. Other functions fail too. iCab, for example, simply cannot handle the Seller's start-an-auction form if you select certain large categories. Form handling bug. Does the picture upload work from Moz 1.3.1? An Ebay listing without a picture is pretty useless. Sure I can set up an outside account and host my own pictures, but that entails more steps that Ebay has provisions for. Say what? Uploading your pictures to a server is trivial. Then you just give eBay the url for the picture. That's how it's worked since day one! This new fangled eBay picture hosting ...heh. The same goes for Paypal. I was loading the first page fine, but when I tried to make payments etc. Netscape 7 was crapping out again. So if Ebay and Paypal have fixed these problems than I apologize but if they haven't I wouldn't say they render these sites fine with OS 9.2.2 PayPal works fine from iCab, for me. (JavaScript on, browser and javascript identity set to iCab - iow, NOT spoofing). Is there a specific function that doesn't work in iCab on Paypal for you? PayPal works fine from WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1 too. It should be noted that Netscape 7.02, the last vers of Netscape to work on OS 9, is based on Moz 1.0.2. It is OLDER than Moz 1.3.1. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I have been using Netscape 7.02 and it works fine on eBay and PayPal, I have used iCab on Ebay and I didn't notice any problems and I have used iCab on PayPal also with out any problems. I haven't clicked on the buttons that go to PayPal from eBay to pay for an item, so I don't know if that part works or not. Oh! What machine do you have? I find NS 7.02 on a 3400/200 and 3400/240 to be so slow (like really really incredibly s low) that its unusable. Anyone else able to use it? What can I strip out? Sorry to go on about this, but I think we are getting somewhere. I will download Mozilla 1.3.1 later to try as well. I'm intruiged by the person using iCab 2.9.8 with no problems just to be clear, I can use Ebay/PAyPal, just can't pay for anything. Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
You're using the current iCab build? 2.9.8, dated 18 April? Correct What browser and javascript identities are you using within iCab? NS 4.7.9 For PayPal you have the various JavaScript (ECMAScript) types enabled, except for JScript? This isn't being disabled by default or via a Filter? Have ticked execute 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 Ithought MRJ 2.2.5 couldn't do higher than JScript 1.2 ??? - but remember I cant get IE or Netscape to work either, and I thought that NS at least used a completely seperate JS (not from MRJ), so surely not the iCab settings that are an issue? I'm operating at the limits of my knowledge here, I'm sure others onlist can correct me. All info gratefully received! Just for the record, my machine is clean. Pretty much stock 9.1, and rock solidly stable otherwise. Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
On Oct 5, 2004, at 5:24 AM, VidaVerde wrote: Have ticked execute 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 Ithought MRJ 2.2.5 couldn't do higher than JScript 1.2 ??? JavaScript has nothing whatsoever to do with Java beyond a caffeinated name, and MRJ does not interact with it, nor is it even needed for JavaScript capability. JavaScript is a separate HTML-based scripting language supported by web browsers, originally developed by Netscape and called JavaScript largely to capitalize on the (then) hot buzz for Java. It's stated purpose was to make interacting with java applets easier, but even so it's merely bridge code, and never was Java per se. I'd wager that 99% of the use of JavaScript in pages never comes near a Java applet. A history of Java script on O'Reilly's web site: http://tinyurl.com/9zqn -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pha rmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I have been using iCab 2.9.8 without problem with PayPal. I can view most stuff on eBay but it takes a long time to load and has already been mentioned, I can't use iCab to list an item for sale. Thus I have switched to Mozilla 1.2.1 for my eBay stuff. I have NOT gotten iCab 2.9.8 to work with gmail. Here's the basics on my setup: OS 9.1 Carbon Lib 1.6 Not sure where to find MRJ - an extensioin in the MRJ Libraries folder has a Get Info of 2.2.5 iCab is 2.9.8 - just the straight download off the iCab site within iCab: - identity is iCab 2.9.8 - Java Prefs checked are Execute Java Applets, Don't execute Java applets from foreign servers and Release Javavm when quitting last applet - enable style sheets is checked - Javascripts prefs - everything is checked Hope that helps. I have liked and still like iCab for so much. I only go to something else when iCab becomes too much trouble (like eBay) or doesn't work at all (like gmail). Brian -- Brian Braunschweiger You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that! - Dave Barry -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I'm wondering if I somehow got a different version of iCab, even tho it shows up as 2.9.8. I can get into PayPal and do everything including paying and checking my history, but I don't get that browser not supported message others are seeing on Gmail, on both my PPC'd 520c and my 5300c. I'd be interested in swapping iCab versions with someone to see what the difference is. Later.Howard Computer n. A pocket calculator with a glandular problem. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:41 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definately try WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1. http://wamcom.org/ Is there a way to stripdown Mozilla to just the browser so it isn't such a memory hog? hum. Moz is very modular. It's esentially a driver app with a bunch of shared libraries. It doesn't actually load the anciliary stuff into memory unless you use it. You should be able to just pull the lib files out... I figured that. But looking for someone that actually has stripped it down. FWIW, I never use any of the anciliary stuff. The only time Moz ever pigs out on memory is when I hit Flash heavy sites. But that's due to Flash's poor implementation and memory leaks; not Moz's fault. Well is you consider Moz's preferred RAM @ 28672 vs iCab's @ 3000 how could you not conclude Moz is a hog! G ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:41 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definately try WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1. http://wamcom.org/ Is there a way to stripdown Mozilla to just the browser so it isn't such a memory hog? hum. Moz is very modular. It's esentially a driver app with a bunch of shared libraries. It doesn't actually load the anciliary stuff into memory unless you use it. You should be able to just pull the lib files out... I figured that. But looking for someone that actually has stripped it down. FWIW, I never use any of the anciliary stuff. The only time Moz ever pigs out on memory is when I hit Flash heavy sites. But that's due to Flash's poor implementation and memory leaks; not Moz's fault. Well if you consider Moz's preferred RAM @ 28672 vs iCab's @ 3000 how could you not conclude Moz is a hog! G __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:43 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 Might be OS 9.2 since I can use PayPal with OS8.6 and iCab or IE. ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? Where is the Carbonlib? MRJlib is v2.0. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
Might be OS 9.2 since I can use PayPal with OS8.6 and iCab or IE. ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? Also no problem here in 9.2.2 w/ IE5. CarbonLib isn't a factor (IE doesn't use it). Java's not a factor, since PayPal doesn't use it. But, I'm running MRJ 2.2.5, FWIW I can't remember the last time I went to a site ran any Java in my browser. Java's the WORST Internet technology EVER, IMNSHO. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
I posted almost the same question on the iMac list a month or so ago. The answer to your question is all browser related. I downloaded probably every conceiveable browser for my machine (iMac G3 running OS 9.2.2). After a considerable amount of trial and error I found the best browser that works the best with Ebay and Paypal is Mozilla 1.2.1. http://www.mozilla.org/releases/old-releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html (The newer version of Mozilla won't upload pics to Ebay when your selling something). The only problems I have found with this version is it quits for no reason or quits when you go to the bookmark menu. This doesn't always happen but when it does a restart of the mac usually clears it up. If your interested I posted this question a while back on the 'fritter. You can read it here: http://www.applefritter.com/node/view/3573 MaxTek Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:58:48 +0100 From: VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused! Hello, all, I'm hoping your joint expertise can puzzle this one out. Our 3400's have always been hideously slow - to the point of choking - on some websites such as ebay. In particular, https seems to kill things. In the end I found that using iCab turning off JS made ebay bearable. But now, all of a sudden, I can't pay for anything with PayPal. I'm not aware of any changes that I've made , but its been a few months since I last tried. Any one else got this problem or is it just me? What happens is that it fails at the last 'review and confirm' screen - I click pay and it returns me to the same screen , or back to the start of the payment process in Ebay. Doesn't make any difference whether I start from ebay or paypal to do this. Looks like a JS problem? Except that its still no good even with JS on. Now I'm not sure if its either a problem with my particular machine, or all old macs/browsers. I have tried IE 5 and Communcator 4.7 with the same effect. Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 If anyone had a solution it would be great, I'm seriously considering getting a newer machine simply so I can browse the web properly, if this can't be fixed. Ben (confused and cross . . .) -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 05:32 AM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: Well is you consider Moz's preferred RAM @ 28672 vs iCab's @ 3000 how could you not conclude Moz is a hog! G Virtual Memory. What you see isn't what you get. It's the apps *behavior* that determines how much real memory it holds. When you launch an app, space for the full preferred size is made in the VM allocation table. And that's what you see in About This Macintosh. In tools such a Memory Mapper, you'll see that for Moz, more than 50% of that allocation doesn't exist in real memory yet[*]! And after using Moz for a while, with other apps being used also (vying for memory), that real allocation is actually reduced (unless you go hog wild like I do - creating a dozen+ tabs in each of 6 or so windows)! Now let's look at iCab. It obtains a (relatively) tiny memory allocation at the initial launch. Then it does all its work in app system temporary memory! IOW, it grows dynamically! Does this mean it's using less memory? Heck no! It's actually more piggy than Moz! It just grabs the memory out of a different basket (pool). [*] No, this doesn't mean you're swapping either! The app is given the space in the VM map but nothing is associated with that space yet - neither real memory nor swap space. In the case of Moz, most of that will be paged-in directly from the shared libraries... Kindof a way of doing a delayed/partial launch. FWIW, - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 05:32 AM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: I figured that. But looking for someone that actually has stripped it down. Just for the heck of it, I've started ripping things out. So far so good, I guess. It hasn't made a bit of difference to Moz's memory usage. Moz simply doesn't load the modules unless you actually use 'em. So if you stay away from the component buttons on the bottom of the window... hehehe. Now that the libs are missing, I've produced some interesting crashes by hitting 'em. :) - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 05:54 AM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? Where is the Carbonlib? MRJlib is v2.0. System Folder:Extensions: Latest CarbonLib is 1.6, I believe. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 08:58 PM +0100 10/03/2004, VidaVerde wrote: In the end I found that using iCab turning off JS made ebay bearable. But now, all of a sudden, I can't pay for anything with PayPal. You're using the current iCab build? 2.9.8, dated 18 April? What browser and javascript identities are you using within iCab? For PayPal you have the various JavaScript (ECMAScript) types enabled, except for JScript? This isn't being disabled by default or via a Filter? - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 03:43 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 Might be OS 9.2 since I can use PayPal with OS8.6 and iCab or IE. ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? - Dan. Yes, that would be useful indeed to know! Do tell! My machine (from the original post) has CarbonLib 1.6. I seem to remember that something else wouldn't work until I put it on though . . .. Other thoughts: I read somewhere you can get/build a newer MRJ from the Sun site?? And the wacom mozilla browser - later versions no good under 9.x??? Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 12:20 PM -0400 on 10/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wittily wrote: At 08:58 PM +0100 10/03/2004, VidaVerde wrote: In the end I found that using iCab turning off JS made ebay bearable. But now, all of a sudden, I can't pay for anything with PayPal. You're using the current iCab build? 2.9.8, dated 18 April? What browser and javascript identities are you using within iCab? For PayPal you have the various JavaScript (ECMAScript) types enabled, except for JScript? This isn't being disabled by default or via a Filter? - Dan. -- I have been using Netscape 7.02 and it works fine on eBay and PayPal, I have used iCab on Ebay and I didn't notice any problems and I have used iCab on PayPal also with out any problems. I haven't clicked on the buttons that go to PayPal from eBay to pay for an item, so I don't know if that part works or not. I am using Netscape with eBay because it looks better and seems to work best, I do think iCab works ok though as far as I could tell when I used it for eBay. There is an iCab coming out soon, I think it is in private Beta...though I have no certain knowledge of this and I am not one of the tester. You might want to eamil the iCab programmer about your issue with eBay and PayPal, as he is very helpful. Also there is a Yahoo! Group for iCab that is a very active group, join it and and there might be someone there who could help more than I can. A HREF=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icab/;Yahoo! Groups : icab/A -- Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl Blessings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:54 AM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? Where is the Carbonlib? MRJlib is v2.0. System Folder:Extensions: Not in my Ext folder. Do I need it (OS8.6)? What does it do? Is it an Apple Ext? Latest CarbonLib is 1.6, I believe. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 03:40 PM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:54 AM -0700 10/04/2004, Mac wrote: Where is the Carbonlib? MRJlib is v2.0. System Folder:Extensions: Not in my Ext folder. Do I need it (OS8.6)? What does it do? Is it an Apple Ext? CarbonLib is from Apple. It's a wedge library, to allow Carbon-based apps to run on the classic Mac OS. If you dont have the library at all, then you must not be running any carbonized apps (eg: Eudora, Thoth, Rosetta, etc). *shrug* http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/7883 - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
Hello Ben, My 2¢ worth: Can you turn off MRJ 2.2.5? Can you upgrade to 9.2.2? Can you install Netscape 7.x? Do iCab prefs have a setting for https? Does PayPal have a FAQ? (I have always avoided them.) Best George --- VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all, I'm hoping your joint expertise can puzzle this one out. Our 3400's have always been hideously slow - to the point of choking - on some websites such as ebay. In particular, https seems to kill things. In the end I found that using iCab turning off JS made ebay bearable. But now, all of a sudden, I can't pay for anything with PayPal. I'm not aware of any changes that I've made , but its been a few months since I last tried. Any one else got this problem or is it just me? What happens is that it fails at the last 'review and confirm' screen - I click pay and it returns me to the same screen , or back to the start of the payment process in Ebay. Doesn't make any difference whether I start from ebay or paypal to do this. Looks like a JS problem? Except that its still no good even with JS on. Now I'm not sure if its either a problem with my particular machine, or all old macs/browsers. I have tried IE 5 and Communcator 4.7 with the same effect. Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 If anyone had a solution it would be great, I'm seriously considering getting a newer machine simply so I can browse the web properly, if this can't be fixed. Ben (confused and cross . . .) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definately try WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1. http://wamcom.org/ - Dan. Is there a way to stripdown Mozilla to just the browser so it isn't such a memory hog? ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
--- VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \. Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 Might be OS 9.2 since I can use PayPal with OS8.6 and iCab or IE. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 03:41 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definately try WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1. http://wamcom.org/ Is there a way to stripdown Mozilla to just the browser so it isn't such a memory hog? hum. Moz is very modular. It's esentially a driver app with a bunch of shared libraries. It doesn't actually load the anciliary stuff into memory unless you use it. You should be able to just pull the lib files out... FWIW, I never use any of the anciliary stuff. The only time Moz ever pigs out on memory is when I hit Flash heavy sites. But that's due to Flash's poor implementation and memory leaks; not Moz's fault. - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400, browser, JS and no PayPal - confused!
At 03:43 PM -0700 10/03/2004, Mac wrote: --- VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas anyone? 9.2.1 MRJ 2.2.5 iCab 2.98 Might be OS 9.2 since I can use PayPal with OS8.6 and iCab or IE. ooo. What version MRJ and CarbonLib you gots? - Dan. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 PRAM BATTERY SLEEP???
--- Brian Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever seen a PB3400C (OS8.5) with a dead PRAM battery that would not wake from sleep mode? *Additional info. It can be wakened with the reset button. Thanks and if they have, how the heck does one replace the PRAM battery. *Also forgot to mention, remove the main battery and the floppy drive and the book should be off during PRAM batt replacement. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 Apple Presentation System
On Sep 27, 2004, at 8:33 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Bought an APS on ebay, Came tightly shrink wrapped but inside showed evidence of having been opened. Power adapter turned out to be 240v to 9v. First question, is the APS a 9v system? Second question, is APS power on indicator light supposed to be red. Bought a universal power adapter and set to 9v Connected via S-Video. Get only grey screen with vertically scrolling dark bands. Advise appreciated. I have just taken a look at an Apple Presentation System package. The power adapter reads: Direct plug-in class 2 transformer Input: 120v AC, 60Hz, 18w Output: 9v DC, 1000mA -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead. Do you have a voltmeter that you can use to test it? You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at all... Peace, Drew I have had 3 units with this symptom. And I thought just the same. But . . . when measured . . . .the PRAM is good! And so is the powermanger! Damn the 3400 is a surly beast when it wants to be. Great machine, but the psu design seems a bit flaky. Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
On Sep 21, 2004, at 9:55 AM, VidaVerde wrote: Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead. Do you have a voltmeter that you can use to test it? You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at all... Peace, Drew I have had 3 units with this symptom. And I thought just the same. But . . . when measured . . . .the PRAM is good! And so is the powermanger! Damn the 3400 is a surly beast when it wants to be. Great machine, but the psu design seems a bit flaky. Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a fair voltage if you're not applying a load. I still vote for this being the PRAM battery. - Eric. -- Eric Strobel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = I'm searching for myself... If I get back before I return, please make sure I stay here. = -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Eric Strobel wrote: Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a fair voltage if you're not applying a load. I still vote for this being the PRAM battery. - Eric. What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400? Mark -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 06:41PM, Mark J. Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400? http://members.aol.com/dnmonk/powerbooks/index.html -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:41 PM, Mark J. Pearson wrote: On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Eric Strobel wrote: Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a fair voltage if you're not applying a load. I still vote for this being the PRAM battery. - Eric. What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400? Mark Don't know. Last few I've needed, I got on eBay. - Eric. -- Eric Strobel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = The odds are greatly against you being immensely smarter than everyone else in the field. If your analysis says your terminal velocity is twice the speed of light, you may have invented warp drive, but the chances are a lot better that you've screwed up. = -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead. Do you have a voltmeter that you can use to test it? You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at all... Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries
Thanks. I didn't know about resetting the power manager. I'll try it later tonight. Mark On Sep 20, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead. Do you have a voltmeter that you can use to test it? You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at all... Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 TV Monitor
On Aug 25, 2004, at 7:44 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: At 8:28 AM -0700 8/12/04, Fabian Fang wrote: My PowerBook 3400c's all came with a VGA adapter (Apple Part Number 922-2963) for connection to an external monitor. Brand-new Apple Presentation System packages can be picked up from eBay for very low bids. My E-bay purchased Apple Presentation System came today. Unfortunately the video cable does not fit my 3400. I think they both have 15 pins, but the APS has two rows and the 3400 has three. Rats. Do you think I'll be able to find an adapter? Cliff: Apple adapter (Part Number 590-0289-A), with two-row 15-pin (F) on one side and three-row 15-pin (M) on the other side, should do the job for you. http://www.powerbookguy.com lists an Apple VGA External Video Adapter for PowerBooks under Accessories for PowerBook 3400c for $9.95, but without an Apple Part Number. In any case, you may wish to give Dan, the PowerBookGuy, a call at (415)386-0200 to make sure that it is the right adapter. Some of his stuff are pricey, but he is a nice guy. Fabian -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 TV Monitor
At 8:28 AM -0700 8/12/04, Fabian Fang wrote: My PowerBook 3400c's all came with a VGA adapter (Apple Part Number 922-2963) for connection to an external monitor. Brand-new Apple Presentation System packages can be picked up from eBay for very low bids. Hi Fabian, My E-bay purchased Apple Presentation System came today. Unfortunately the video cable does not fit my 3400. I think they both have 15 pins, but the APS has two rows and the 3400 has three. Rats. Do you think I'll be able to find an adapter? I don't recall if my 3400 came with a VGA adapter. I bought it refurbished, I think. Can't remember really since it happened in the midst of a rather tumultuous change of living circumstance, i.e. Fiji to USA. Anyway, as always, any suggestions you have are appreciated. Thank you. Cliff -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
