subject:"CS Production"

Hi Guys,

I am very new to the list and I am sorry if am asking something that may have 
been answered many times before (I couldn't find a FAQ .. or a sticky post...).

It was from reading the excellent posts from this silver-list that I have 
decided to make my own CS.. 

I used to buy my CS, however I decided to make my own CS primarily due to the 
fact that the amount being used warranted that I make my own.

I got my friendly jeweler to rollout a Canadian maple leaf coin 99.99% purity 
into a wire (bought from a respected coin dealer and also tested with a silver 
testing kit, which gave me a rough idea that it wasn't a fake coin)

Then made a very simple circuit arrangement using a 30V dc power supply, into 
an lm338 and also tried with a lm317 regulator used in a current controlling 
mode, set to 1.5ma (since i couldn't get it to go any lower). 

I am stirring the water with a motor which is spinning a plastic knife around, 
in a 300g glass coffee jar, to delay agglomeration.

When used with distilled water (steam distilled by my friend with his own 
distiller - he needs it for his silvergen sg6) - I have a water meter that 
which measured 0 micro siemens for the water), I created bits of silver that I 
could see visually... like very microscopic glitter, which I know is incorrect 
and there were sparklies on top and sludge gathering at the bottom...

I had an initial arrangement of  1 anode and 1 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide 
exactly,  and then placed them 2cm electrode to electrode, which was really 
bad!...

I then made an array of 3 anodes and 3 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide exactly, 
perfectly parallel to each other, and then placed them 3.5cm electrode to 
electrode...which helped significantly... but still not perfect..

water is room temperature and definitely no additives like salt, Bicarb or even 
CS!...

Voltage does indeed drop slowly over two hours, and current maintained at 1.5ma 
and then hovers at around 5-6 volts which seems to be the saturation point, 
when it first gets to around 6 volts i found its around 9 micro seimens. but 
visible particles of silver.

I thought at 1.5ma for even 1 anode setup that I would be ok, and not overdrive 
it... but clearly something isn't right 

So I may have not done something right, or not understood the process, or 
something could be faulty .. or a combination therein

Would you kind people help shed some light on what's going on here.

Many Thanks,

Asif.

RE: CSquestion regarding CS production

2011-06-06 Thread SJY

Use a LM334 current regulator.  You can set the current much lower.  I have
good results with 0.2 mA in a quart of H2O for 24 hours, no stirring needed.

Steve Y.

 

  _  

From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production

 

Hi Guys,

 

I am very new to the list and I am sorry if am asking something that may
have been answered many times before (I couldn't find a FAQ .. or a sticky
post...).

 

It was from reading the excellent posts from this silver-list that I have
decided to make my own CS.. 

 

I used to buy my CS, however I decided to make my own CS primarily due to
the fact that the amount being used warranted that I make my own.

 

I got my friendly jeweler to rollout a Canadian maple leaf coin 99.99%
purity into a wire (bought from a respected coin dealer and also tested with
a silver testing kit, which gave me a rough idea that it wasn't a fake coin)

 

Then made a very simple circuit arrangement using a 30V dc power supply,
into an lm338 and also tried with a lm317 regulator used in a current
controlling mode, set to 1.5ma (since i couldn't get it to go any lower). 

 

I am stirring the water with a motor which is spinning a plastic knife
around, in a 300g glass coffee jar, to delay agglomeration.

 

When used with distilled water (steam distilled by my friend with his own
distiller - he needs it for his silvergen sg6) - I have a water meter that
which measured 0 micro siemens for the water), I created bits of silver that
I could see visually... like very microscopic glitter, which I know is
incorrect and there were sparklies on top and sludge gathering at the
bottom...

 

I had an initial arrangement of  1 anode and 1 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm
wide exactly,  and then placed them 2cm electrode to electrode, which was
really bad!...

 

I then made an array of 3 anodes and 3 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide
exactly, perfectly parallel to each other, and then placed them 3.5cm
electrode to electrode...which helped significantly... but still not
perfect..

 

water is room temperature and definitely no additives like salt, Bicarb or
even CS!...

 

Voltage does indeed drop slowly over two hours, and current maintained at
1.5ma and then hovers at around 5-6 volts which seems to be the saturation
point, when it first gets to around 6 volts i found its around 9 micro
seimens. but visible particles of silver.

 

I thought at 1.5ma for even 1 anode setup that I would be ok, and not
overdrive it... but clearly something isn't right 

 

So I may have not done something right, or not understood the process, or
something could be faulty .. or a combination therein

 

Would you kind people help shed some light on what's going on here.

 

Many Thanks,

 

Asif.

 

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RE: CSquestion regarding CS production

2011-06-06 Thread Neville Munn


Hi Asif,
 
I don't believe you mentioned how long your brew process goes, but here's a 
couple of things I'd be looking into:

a) Taking the electrodes out to 4cm apart.
b) Using a larger volume brew vessel for that dimension electrodes.  I brew a 
litre or more at a time using electrodes shorter than yours {between 8cm and 
10cm depending on which of my units I use on the day}.  My electrodes are 3mm 
dia tho.
c) Remove the electrodes at regular timed intervals to wipe them clean {if you 
think they need it or not} before resubmerging them.
 
Sparklies in the water?...I've noticed that some DW I purchase {only an El 
Cheapo brand} shows some sparklies upon using laser pointer straight from the 
bottle.  I have also seen microscopic bits of 'fluff?' or fibre, or whatever 
may be in the air on the day I brew become evident in the water after a couple 
days in storage {I store in sealed containers}.  I believe these give the 
illusion of settlement due to some silver 'attaching?' to these microscopic 
bits of 'stuff?' present in the DW, or which has entered the water from the air 
during my brew process {I brew in an open top vessel}.
 
Just a few things I'd be looking at if it were me.
 
N.



From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:27:43 +0100
Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production

Re: CSquestion regarding CS production

Is 1.5ma too much..?
Is that why I got better results when I used 3 anodes?
Also is the silver width of 1.25mm ok?

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Jun 2011, at 23:43, SJY you...@relia.net wrote:

 Use a LM334 current regulator.  You can set the current much lower.  I have 
 good results with 0.2 mA in a quart of H2O for 24 hours, no stirring needed.
 
 Steve Y.
 
  
 
 From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:28 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production
 
  
 
 Hi Guys,
 
  
 
 I am very new to the list and I am sorry if am asking something that may have 
 been answered many times before (I couldn't find a FAQ .. or a sticky 
 post...).
 
  
 
 It was from reading the excellent posts from this silver-list that I have 
 decided to make my own CS..
 
  
 
 I used to buy my CS, however I decided to make my own CS primarily due to the 
 fact that the amount being used warranted that I make my own.
 
  
 
 I got my friendly jeweler to rollout a Canadian maple leaf coin 99.99% purity 
 into a wire (bought from a respected coin dealer and also tested with a 
 silver testing kit, which gave me a rough idea that it wasn't a fake coin)
 
  
 
 Then made a very simple circuit arrangement using a 30V dc power supply, into 
 an lm338 and also tried with a lm317 regulator used in a current controlling 
 mode, set to 1.5ma (since i couldn't get it to go any lower).
 
  
 
 I am stirring the water with a motor which is spinning a plastic knife 
 around, in a 300g glass coffee jar, to delay agglomeration.
 
  
 
 When used with distilled water (steam distilled by my friend with his own 
 distiller - he needs it for his silvergen sg6) - I have a water meter that 
 which measured 0 micro siemens for the water), I created bits of silver that 
 I could see visually... like very microscopic glitter, which I know is 
 incorrect and there were sparklies on top and sludge gathering at the 
 bottom...
 
  
 
 I had an initial arrangement of  1 anode and 1 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide 
 exactly,  and then placed them 2cm electrode to electrode, which was really 
 bad!...
 
  
 
 I then made an array of 3 anodes and 3 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide 
 exactly, perfectly parallel to each other, and then placed them 3.5cm 
 electrode to electrode...which helped significantly... but still not perfect..
 
  
 
 water is room temperature and definitely no additives like salt, Bicarb or 
 even CS!...
 
  
 
 Voltage does indeed drop slowly over two hours, and current maintained at 
 1.5ma and then hovers at around 5-6 volts which seems to be the saturation 
 point, when it first gets to around 6 volts i found its around 9 micro 
 seimens. but visible particles of silver.
 
  
 
 I thought at 1.5ma for even 1 anode setup that I would be ok, and not 
 overdrive it... but clearly something isn't right
 
  
 
 So I may have not done something right, or not understood the process, or 
 something could be faulty .. or a combination therein
 
  
 
 Would you kind people help shed some light on what's going on here.
 
  
 
 Many Thanks,
 
  
 
 Asif.
 
  
 
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Re: CSquestion regarding CS production

It  takes about 2-3 hours to go to from 28 to 6v after which it starts making 
sludge
I am thinking of buying my own distiller so that I can control the process 
better.

I have been brewing only 1 liter batches. I found a 300g coffee jar ideal. Plus 
it was a glass jar.
I cannot increase the width of the electrodes any further than 3.5cm as I have 
mounted them on the coffee jar lid. Which doesn't give me much real estate 
after the motor on top. 

I understand that the silvergen SG6 has it's electrodes 2cm apart and uses 1 
ma. ( I remember from a trem's post)

I have been wiping the electrodes every 20 mins. The cathodes get black fairly 
quickly.

Although things have improved by using 3 anodes. And distancing the electrodes 
further to 3.5cm. They seem to make the brew more cleanly.

I have run out distilled water. So I will not be able to tweak the setup until 
then. 
Also  may I ask what voltage and current are you using for your setup?

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Jun 2011, at 23:57, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Asif,
  
 I don't believe you mentioned how long your brew process goes, but here's a 
 couple of things I'd be looking into:
 
 a) Taking the electrodes out to 4cm apart.
 b) Using a larger volume brew vessel for that dimension electrodes.  I brew a 
 litre or more at a time using electrodes shorter than yours {between 8cm and 
 10cm depending on which of my units I use on the day}.  My electrodes are 3mm 
 dia tho.
 c) Remove the electrodes at regular timed intervals to wipe them clean {if 
 you think they need it or not} before resubmerging them.
  
 Sparklies in the water?...I've noticed that some DW I purchase {only an El 
 Cheapo brand} shows some sparklies upon using laser pointer straight from the 
 bottle.  I have also seen microscopic bits of 'fluff?' or fibre, or whatever 
 may be in the air on the day I brew become evident in the water after a 
 couple days in storage {I store in sealed containers}.  I believe these give 
 the illusion of settlement due to some silver 'attaching?' to these 
 microscopic bits of 'stuff?' present in the DW, or which has entered the 
 water from the air during my brew process {I brew in an open top vessel}.
  
 Just a few things I'd be looking at if it were me.
  
 N.
 
 From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:27:43 +0100
 Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production
 
 


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Re: CSquestion regarding CS production

I have tried to find a resister calculator for the lm134/lm334. But haven't 
succeeded. Would you kindly point me in the right direction. 
Ideally I would like to choose anything upto 3ma for scalability.

Sent from my iPhone

On 7 Jun 2011, at 00:18, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Is 1.5ma too much..?
 Is that why I got better results when I used 3 anodes?
 Also is the silver width of 1.25mm ok?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 6 Jun 2011, at 23:43, SJY you...@relia.net wrote:
 
 Use a LM334 current regulator.  You can set the current much lower.  I have 
 good results with 0.2 mA in a quart of H2O for 24 hours, no stirring needed.
 
 Steve Y.
 
  
 
 From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:28 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production
 
  
 
 Hi Guys,
 
  
 
 I am very new to the list and I am sorry if am asking something that may 
 have been answered many times before (I couldn't find a FAQ .. or a sticky 
 post...).
 
  
 
 It was from reading the excellent posts from this silver-list that I have 
 decided to make my own CS..
 
  
 
 I used to buy my CS, however I decided to make my own CS primarily due to 
 the fact that the amount being used warranted that I make my own.
 
  
 
 I got my friendly jeweler to rollout a Canadian maple leaf coin 99.99% 
 purity into a wire (bought from a respected coin dealer and also tested with 
 a silver testing kit, which gave me a rough idea that it wasn't a fake coin)
 
  
 
 Then made a very simple circuit arrangement using a 30V dc power supply, 
 into an lm338 and also tried with a lm317 regulator used in a current 
 controlling mode, set to 1.5ma (since i couldn't get it to go any lower).
 
  
 
 I am stirring the water with a motor which is spinning a plastic knife 
 around, in a 300g glass coffee jar, to delay agglomeration.
 
  
 
 When used with distilled water (steam distilled by my friend with his own 
 distiller - he needs it for his silvergen sg6) - I have a water meter that 
 which measured 0 micro siemens for the water), I created bits of silver that 
 I could see visually... like very microscopic glitter, which I know is 
 incorrect and there were sparklies on top and sludge gathering at the 
 bottom...
 
  
 
 I had an initial arrangement of  1 anode and 1 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm 
 wide exactly,  and then placed them 2cm electrode to electrode, which was 
 really bad!...
 
  
 
 I then made an array of 3 anodes and 3 cathodes 15cm each 1.25mm wide 
 exactly, perfectly parallel to each other, and then placed them 3.5cm 
 electrode to electrode...which helped significantly... but still not 
 perfect..
 
  
 
 water is room temperature and definitely no additives like salt, Bicarb or 
 even CS!...
 
  
 
 Voltage does indeed drop slowly over two hours, and current maintained at 
 1.5ma and then hovers at around 5-6 volts which seems to be the saturation 
 point, when it first gets to around 6 volts i found its around 9 micro 
 seimens. but visible particles of silver.
 
  
 
 I thought at 1.5ma for even 1 anode setup that I would be ok, and not 
 overdrive it... but clearly something isn't right
 
  
 
 So I may have not done something right, or not understood the process, or 
 something could be faulty .. or a combination therein
 
  
 
 Would you kind people help shed some light on what's going on here.
 
  
 
 Many Thanks,
 
  
 
 Asif.
 
  
 
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RE: CSquestion regarding CS production

2011-06-06 Thread Neville Munn


Sorry, I didn't read your 300g vessel properly.
 
To be perfectly honest, I haven't actually checked the unit I currently use so 
I can't tell you the current.  One I made several years ago when first getting 
involved with this stuff, using 80-85mm length electrodes, ran at 66mA {if I 
read the multimeter correctly back then} and the voltage was 25.5v using a 
mains power converter to bring voltage down to 24vDC, but it actually ran at 
25.5v when electrodes were initially submerged.
 
I've changed my configuration a little over the years in later units I've made 
and have never checked the mA or voltage {unscientific I know, but that's me}, 
I still use the same electronic internals though, which is a 38ohm resistor 
running with an LED and the same mains power converter bringing voltage down to 
24vDC.
 
I did make a unit with electrode spacing of around an inch, or around 25mm, 
many moons ago but the end product always seemed to show colour over time in 
storage so I shelved that unit.
 
I also made a magnetic stirrer.
 
N.
 

 Subject: Re: CSquestion regarding CS production
 From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com
 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:31:59 +0100
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 It takes about 2-3 hours to go to from 28 to 6v after which it starts making 
 sludge
 I am thinking of buying my own distiller so that I can control the process 
 better.
 
 I have been brewing only 1 liter batches. I found a 300g coffee jar ideal. 
 Plus it was a glass jar.
 I cannot increase the width of the electrodes any further than 3.5cm as I 
 have mounted them on the coffee jar lid. Which doesn't give me much real 
 estate after the motor on top. 
 
 I understand that the silvergen SG6 has it's electrodes 2cm apart and uses 1 
 ma. ( I remember from a trem's post)
 
 I have been wiping the electrodes every 20 mins. The cathodes get black 
 fairly quickly.
 
 Although things have improved by using 3 anodes. And distancing the 
 electrodes further to 3.5cm. They seem to make the brew more cleanly.
 
 I have run out distilled water. So I will not be able to tweak the setup 
 until then. 
 Also may I ask what voltage and current are you using for your setup?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 6 Jun 2011, at 23:57, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Asif,
  
  I don't believe you mentioned how long your brew process goes, but here's a 
  couple of things I'd be looking into:
  
  a) Taking the electrodes out to 4cm apart.
  b) Using a larger volume brew vessel for that dimension electrodes. I brew 
  a litre or more at a time using electrodes shorter than yours {between 8cm 
  and 10cm depending on which of my units I use on the day}. My electrodes 
  are 3mm dia tho.
  c) Remove the electrodes at regular timed intervals to wipe them clean {if 
  you think they need it or not} before resubmerging them.
  
  Sparklies in the water?...I've noticed that some DW I purchase {only an El 
  Cheapo brand} shows some sparklies upon using laser pointer straight from 
  the bottle. I have also seen microscopic bits of 'fluff?' or fibre, or 
  whatever may be in the air on the day I brew become evident in the water 
  after a couple days in storage {I store in sealed containers}. I believe 
  these give the illusion of settlement due to some silver 'attaching?' to 
  these microscopic bits of 'stuff?' present in the DW, or which has entered 
  the water from the air during my brew process {I brew in an open top 
  vessel}.
  
  Just a few things I'd be looking at if it were me.
  
  N.
  
  From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:27:43 +0100
  Subject: CSquestion regarding CS production
  
  
 
 
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread M. G. Devour

And please observe a fine example of why it's a good habit to catch up 
on *all* the e-mail in your inbox before responding to ANY of it!? 
LOL!

It's being dealt with already, Dee!

hugs

Mike D.

 Whatever do you mean Larry?  I can't see anything moronic OR despicable
 about Trems post!  Please explain your indignation.  dee
 

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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Whatever do you mean Larry?  I can't see anything moronic OR despicable about 
Trems post!  Please explain your indignation.  dee


On 15 Jan 2010, at 02:19, Larry Biggar wrote:

 Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
 low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In 
 normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! 
 What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! 
 Regards, Larry
  
 Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread MaryAnn Helland

dang.lol
MA

From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 1:19:02 AM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

And please observe a fine example of why it's a good habit to catch up 
on *all* the e-mail in your inbox before responding to ANY of it!? 
LOL!

It's being dealt with already, Dee!

hugs

Mike D.

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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread Deborah Gerard

hahahahaha

From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 5:28:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Deborah wrote:
 How old did you say you are Larry?

Now now, let's settle down! wink He's not here to hear you, anyway.

Stuff like this happens... Thankfully it's pretty rare in this 
community.

At this point, the less energy expended in this direction, the better, 
as far as I'm concerned.

Nothing to see here. Move along!
(In his best Officer Barbrady voice...)

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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Sorry Mike, I wish I could find a way of setting my box to put the most recent 
first, but it doesn't do this I think. dee

On 15 Jan 2010, at 07:24, M. G. Devour wrote:

 And please observe a fine example of why it's a good habit to catch up 
 on *all* the e-mail in your inbox before responding to ANY of it!? 
 LOL!
 
 It's being dealt with already, Dee!
 
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread Karen and Jerry Conrad

Dear Larry
 What exactly is YOUR problem, I saw nothing whatsoever wrong with Trem's 
response to Sunny at all, sounds like you need to chill out. perhaps, I did not 
see all of the response, if so please forgive me, most sincerely, Karen Conrad
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Biggar 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a 
moronic low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. 
In normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! 
What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! 
Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

  From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM

  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap 
or detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  
Rinse with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic 
items such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as 
I'm gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed 
out a nice apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass 
be dark, or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper 
round the outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health 
and to give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price 
of the cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities 
like honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where 
to get them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have 
something just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic 
blue bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought 
some silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
plastic bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our 
intake.  Is this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of 
it a day. I don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd 
recommend as a daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment 
in which case I know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  
I also want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and 
associated things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be 
able to say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low 
cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing 
ourselves to maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, 
natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and 
emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-15 Thread Sharlene Miyamura

I believe, after reading Larry's response, that he made an error in thinking
that Trem sent the email (by someone else) with the large font which
preceded his reply.

Shar

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Karen and Jerry Conrad
micaiahspe...@earthlink.net wrote:

Dear Larry
What exactly is YOUR problem, I saw nothing whatsoever wrong with Trem's
response to Sunny at all, sounds like you need to chill out. perhaps, I did
not see all of the response, if so please forgive me, most sincerely, Karen
Conrad

- Original Message -
*From:* Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a
moronic low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or
question. In normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be
welcome here! What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in
the test tube! Regards, Larry

*Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com* wrote:

From: TREM t...@silvergen.com

Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM

Sunny,

#2 NEVER wash the production or storage vessels with liquid soap or
detergent. They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.
Rinse with hot tap water. Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic
items such as pickles or tomatoes. The acid is very hard to remove. Use
new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.comhttp://us.mc1132.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com

- Original Message -
*From:* Sunwaterclear -
Sunnyhttp://us.mc1132.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
*To:* Silver
Listhttp://us.mc1132.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
*Subject:* CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread Sunwaterclear - Sunny

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well..

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world.. 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread TREM

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
  Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production


  Hey all you health seekers,

  I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

  1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

  2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

  3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

  What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

   I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

  Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

  4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

  5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

  6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

  Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
  I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

  A peek into our world... 

  Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


  Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


  Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
  Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

  Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread Sunwaterclear - Sunny

Thanks so it's new production and storage jars..OK.. I actually googled 
'vwaals' then realized it was vessls' fingers one key over... ha ha

 
A peek into our world.. 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
 





From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production


Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
plastic bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread M. G. Devour

Okay, folks! I'm glad I happened to be here and able to deal with this
more or less in real-time. I've blocked Larry until he can explain his
outburst to my satisfaction and convince me it won't be repeated.

Trem, I certainly saw nothing to justify this, so please accept my
apology as your host. sigh

If there are any other comments (besides Neville's roll eyes), please
send them to me directly at mdev...@eskimo.com ...

Thank you for your patience.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

 Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a
 moronic low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or
 question. In normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should
 be welcome here! What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you
 back in the test tube! Regards, Larry   Thu, 1/14/10, TREM
 t...@silvergen.com wrote:


 From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
 Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM



 #yiv1942064181 DIV {
 MARGIN:0px;}


 Sunny,
  
 #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or
 #detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove. 
 #Rinse with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained
 #acidic items such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to
 #remove.  Use new vwaawls.
  
 I hope this helps you.
  
 Best regards,
  
 Trem Williams
 customer_serv...@silvergen.com
 www.silvergen.com
  
  

 - Original Message -
 From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny
 To: Silver List
 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
 Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production




 Hey all you health seekers,
  
 I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm
 gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.   1.  STORAGE I'm
 thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice apple juice
 glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or can
 I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the
 outside to keep out the light?   2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE
 UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently output the CS into any jar?
   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm wondering about the
 sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it important what I
 wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.   3.  SILVER DOSAGE
 BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give away to
 women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the
 cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities
 like honey, food etc.   What kind of bottles would you recommend for
 this? Any ideas where to get them and a source of labels ?  I can
 research this but if you have something just there and can paste it..
 that would save more time.      I use MMS right now and the place we buy
 from sells it in plastic blue bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the
 citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a while back at wholefood,
 silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.     Is plastic bad
 in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning it out.  
 4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake. 
 Is this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it
 a day. I don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd
 recommend as a daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific
 ailment in which case I know you all have lots of ideas on how to use
 silver that way]    5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good
 bottles, low cost?  I also want spray bottles, so that I can spray my
 gums.   6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and
 associated things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this
 and be able to say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any
 good [low cost] meters.   Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any
 suggestions... I'm excited about this new venture in our lives..
 preparing ourselves to maintain wellness ..   A peek into our world...
 Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

 Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural
 wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and
 emerge?

 Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth
 Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food,
 community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v
 asleep  Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies
 for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil
 return to earth  






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[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread M. G. Devour

Deborah wrote:
 How old did you say you are Larry?

Now now, let's settle down! wink He's not here to hear you, anyway.

Stuff like this happens... Thankfully it's pretty rare in this 
community.

At this point, the less energy expended in this direction, the better, 
as far as I'm concerned.

Nothing to see here. Move along!
(In his best Officer Barbrady voice...)

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread TREM

So much for automatic spell checking.  I need to proofread before sending.

Trem

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

  Thanks so it's new production and storage jars..OK.. I actually googled 
'vwaals' then realized it was vessls' fingers one key over... ha ha

  A peek into our world.. 

  Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

  Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

  Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
  Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

  Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

--
  From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community 
v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

RE: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread Neville Munn



 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:58 -0800
From: sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production






Hey all you health seekers,
 
I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
-A stirring method is a must for me if producing anything over 250-300ml. You 
can make your own magnetic stirrer, and the stirrer bars as well if you don't 
want to spend a couple of bucks on buying some.
 
1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?
-I just use clear glass storage vessels which have a rubber seal but I think 
the metal lid itself is polished stainless steel, or praps aluminium, and stick 
them in a cupboard, ensuring I don't splash the stuff up on the lids.  If 
travelling I use one of those clear plastic pump bottles you buy water in.
 
2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
-I don't wash any containers out, just wipe them out with a paper towel, 
definitely NO soap etc.
 
3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 
 
What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
 
 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.  
 
 
Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.
 
4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
-Haven't a clue about any 'recommended' amount, I ingest around 30ml every 
morning {uS/ppm reading dependant} as a daily maintenance thing.
 
5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
 
6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
-Well, here's one question which will draw some responses I'm sure g.
I use the COM100, the COM3 and a Hanna TDS3 and my records show they're all as 
near as damn it as far as I'm concerned, none of them are accurate but are all 
*inaccurate* to a similar degree or tolerance, laboratory analysis will in all 
likelyhood show you'll have more than they'll indicate anyway.  Choice is 
yours, they'll all get you in the ballpark, any more precise and I believe 
laboratory analysis is called for, particularly if considering retail.  Meters 
are OK for the backyard, but I certainly wouldn't entertain purchasing a 
product which has only been tested with a meter...or three, that's why I make 
my own EIS, and had several samples of mine laboratory analysed...I don't trust 
anyone in this game.
 
OK, that's my two bobs worth.
 
N.
 
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey Trem -- how about vodka???  I store my CS in beautiful cobalt blue Sky 
vodka bottles!!  There's no acid in vodka, is there?
MA

From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
plastic bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread TREM

Hi Mary Ann,

Good choice as long as you don't wash them.  Just rinse.

Trem

  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

  Hey Trem -- how about vodka???  I store my CS in beautiful cobalt blue Sky 
vodka bottles!!  There's no acid in vodka, is there?
  MA

--
  From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community 
v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

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Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread Larry Biggar

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM

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Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA

From: Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CSA few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round 
the outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason 
jars?  I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a 
dishwasher.  Is it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you 
recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
plastic bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case 
I know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to 
say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] 
meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
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Fw: CSA few more questions about CS production

Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA

From: Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent..  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

2010-01-14 Thread Deborah Gerard

How old did you say you are Larry?

From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:14:16 PM
Subject: Fw: CSA few more questions about CS production

Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA

From: Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams

Re: CSA few more questions about CS production

Sorry for the double post.  I thought the original didn't come through because 
of the afore-mentioned size limitations, so I trimmed it all out and sent it 
through again.  Sigh.  But still...Wow!!  Where did that come from?
MA





From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 9:14:16 PM
Subject: Fw: CSA few more questions about CS production


 
Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA





From: Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSA few more questions about CS production


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote:


Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you..
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams

Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-20 Thread M. G. Devour

Dear Deborah and Carol Ann,

I wouldn't worry too much about honey. This suggestion has been around 
for a very long time and dates back to when many people were still 
using salt as a starter to speed things up. 

When making low concentration CS with pure silver and distilled water 
only, you don't *need* to do anything to structure the water.

Whether it's of any use or not, I don't know. I do know most of us have 
been doing without any additives for some years, making CS that's as 
good as we need.

 Just ran across this info...has anyone tried it, and/or care to
 comment on the following: 

 Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative colloidal
 silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway current flow.
 He suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution at the
 beginning of the process. 

You're not missing anything, ladies. It's just an old idea that 
continues to circulate in the marketplace.

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-20 Thread Marshall Dudley

Honey IS sugar.  Do yo mean crystalized? If so then place the bottle of
honey into a pan of hot water, and after a few hours it will liquify
again.

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:

 what if the honey is turned to sugar?...thanks debbie

 francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:

  Just ran across this info...has anyone tried it, and/or care
  to comment
  on the following:

  Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative
  colloidal
  silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway
  current flow. He
  suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution
  at the
  beginning of the process. Honey is a saccharide (sugar)
  which structures
  the electrical and magnetic properties of water in a very
  unique way.
  This structuring allows the silver colloid to form at a
  faster rate,
  while at the same time reducing the buildup of silver oxide
  that would
  normally occur without the addition of the honey. Why this
  happens, I am
  not sure-but it works! You wind up with a higher density
  silver
  concentrat! ion (measured in parts per million {ppm}), made
  in a shorter
  period of time, with less buildup of silver oxide on the
  positive
  electrode! What a guy!

  If you wish to use Merlin's honey trick, take a toothpick or
  a chop
  stick and dip it in honey. Let the majority of the honey
  drip back into
  the honey jar. The small glob that remains on the end of the
  toothpick
  will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch
  over the
  steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of
  honey
  possible.

  All the Best,
  Francis
  www.bio-plasmics.org


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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-20 Thread Deborah Gerard

crystalized is what I meant I wasn't sure if it made a difference...does the 
water that is being used to brew the cs have to be hot?...thanks deb

Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:  Honey IS sugar.  Do yo mean 
crystalized? If so then place the bottle of honey into a pan of hot water, and 
after a few hours it will liquify again.   Marshall   Deborah Gerard wrote:   
what if the honey is turned to sugar?...thanks debbie   francis luze 
i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:   Just ran across this info...has anyone tried 
it, and/or care to comment 
on the following:   Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative 
colloidal 
silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway current flow. He 
suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution at the 
beginning of the process. Honey is a saccharide (sugar) which structures 
the electrical and magnetic properties of water in a very unique way. 
This structuring allows the silver colloid to form at a faster rate, 
while at the same time reducing the buildup of silver oxide that would 
normally occur without the addition of the honey. Why this happens, I am 
not sure-but it works! You wind up with a higher density silver 
concentrat! ion (measured in parts per million {ppm}), made in a shorter 
period of time, with less buildup of silver oxide on the positive 
electrode! What a guy!   If you wish to use Merlin's honey trick, take a 
toothpick or a chop 
stick and dip it in honey. Let the majority of the honey drip back into 
the honey jar. The small glob that remains on the end of the toothpick 
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the 
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey 
possible.   All the Best, 
Francis 
www.bio-plasmics.org 
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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-20 Thread Deborah Gerard

it's just interesting to note if it would speed things up...thanks debbie

M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:  Dear Deborah and Carol Ann,

I wouldn't worry too much about honey. This suggestion has been around 
for a very long time and dates back to when many people were still 
using salt as a starter to speed things up. 

When making low concentration CS with pure silver and distilled water 
only, you don't *need* to do anything to structure the water.

Whether it's of any use or not, I don't know. I do know most of us have 
been doing without any additives for some years, making CS that's as 
good as we need.

 Just ran across this info...has anyone tried it, and/or care to
 comment on the following: 

 Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative colloidal
 silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway current flow.
 He suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution at the
 beginning of the process. 

You're not missing anything, ladies. It's just an old idea that 
continues to circulate in the marketplace.

Be well,

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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-20 Thread Carol Ann

Thanks Mike. Appreciate the response.  Really, its not something I was ever 
worried about, more to curiousity I guess and to whether it might contribute to 
a better quality solution and its something unlike using salt, I had never read 
anywhere before. 

Has anyone either verified its application, one way or another.  Mike, some 
people getting  a little grey in the face in spite of the fact that they are 
now doing things the new way. 

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote: it's just interesting to note 
if it would speed things up...thanks debbie

M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:  Dear Deborah and Carol Ann,

I wouldn't worry too much about honey. This suggestion has been around 
for a very long time and dates back to when many people were still 
using salt as a starter to speed things up. 



  
  
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2006-03-19 Thread Chin Seong LIM

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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-19 Thread Deborah Gerard

what if the honey is turned to sugar?...thanks debbie

francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:  Just ran across this info...has 
anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:

Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative colloidal
silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway current flow. He
suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution at the
beginning of the process. Honey is a saccharide (sugar) which structures
the electrical and magnetic properties of water in a very unique way.
This structuring allows the silver colloid to form at a faster rate,
while at the same time reducing the buildup of silver oxide that would
normally occur without the addition of the honey. Why this happens, I am
not sure-but it works! You wind up with a higher density silver
concentration (measured in parts per million {ppm}), made in a shorter
period of time, with less buildup of silver oxide on the positive
electrode! What a guy! 

If you wish to use Merlin's honey trick, take a toothpick or a chop
stick and dip it in honey. Let the majority of the honey drip back into
the honey jar. The small glob that remains on the end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-19 Thread Carol Ann

The small glob that remains on the end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water.

Was all good until I read about the steaming glass of water figuring In.  I 
dont use a steaming glass of water  when making CS, havent heard of anyone else 
doing so.Did I miss some crucial part of the CS procedure somewhere? 

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote: what if the honey is turned to 
sugar?...thanks debbie

francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:  Just ran across this info...has 
anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:

 The small glob that remains on the end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
www.bio-plasmics.org


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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-19 Thread Deborah Gerard

some people heat theirs up a bit but I don't like to do it because I have a 
aquarium stone and that has plasitic tubing which I don't like heating...was 
that suggestion from a webpage?

Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote:  The small glob that remains on the 
end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water.

Was all good until I read about the steaming glass of water figuring In.  I 
dont use a steaming glass of water  when making CS, havent heard of anyone else 
doing so.Did I miss some crucial part of the CS procedure somewhere? 

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote:  what if the honey is turned 
to sugar?...thanks debbie

francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:   Just ran across this info...has 
anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:

 The small glob that remains on the end of t! he toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-19 Thread Carol Ann

Deb, I think that there is a difference between heating up a little and 
steaming. To get steam you have to reach at least approach boiling point.  
Thats hot water, not warm water.

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote: some people heat theirs up a 
bit but I don't like to do it because I have a aquarium stone and that has 
plasitic tubing which I don't like heating...was that suggestion from a webpage?

Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote:  The small glob that remains on the 
end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water.

Was all good until I read about the steaming glass of water figuring In.  I 
dont use a steaming glass of water  when making CS, havent heard of anyone else 
doing so.Did I miss some crucial part of the CS procedure somewhere? 

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote:  what if the honey is turned 
to  sugar?...thanks debbie

francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:   Just ran across this info...has 
anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:

 The small glob that remains on the end of t! he toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
www.bio-plasmics.org


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Re: CSHoney CS production

2006-03-19 Thread Deborah Gerard

You got that rightdeb

Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote:  Deb, I think that there is a 
difference between heating up a little and steaming. To get steam you have to 
reach at least approach boiling point.  Thats hot water, not warm water.

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote:  some people heat theirs up a 
bit but I don't like to do it because I have a aquarium stone and that has 
plasitic tubing which I don't like heating...was that suggestion from a webpage?

Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote:   The small glob that remains on the 
end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water.

Was all good until I read about the steaming glass of water figuring In.  I ! 
dont use a steaming glass of water  when making CS, havent heard of anyone else 
doing so.Did I miss some crucial part of the CS procedure somewhere? 

Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.net wrote:   what if the honey is turned 
to sugar?...thanks debbie

francis luze i...@bio-plasmics.org wrote:   Just ran across this info...has 
anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:

 The small glob that remains on the end of t! he toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
www.bio-plasmics.org


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2006-03-18 Thread francis luze

Just ran across this info...has anyone tried it, and/or care to comment
on the following:
 
Merlin Wolf gave me a great tip for making superlative colloidal
silver, with less concern for oxide buildup and runaway current flow. He
suggested placing one tiny drop of honey into the solution at the
beginning of the process. Honey is a saccharide (sugar) which structures
the electrical and magnetic properties of water in a very unique way.
This structuring allows the silver colloid to form at a faster rate,
while at the same time reducing the buildup of silver oxide that would
normally occur without the addition of the honey. Why this happens, I am
not sure-but it works! You wind up with a higher density silver
concentration (measured in parts per million {ppm}), made in a shorter
period of time, with less buildup of silver oxide on the positive
electrode! What a guy! 

If you wish to use Merlin's honey trick, take a toothpick or a chop
stick and dip it in honey. Let the majority of the honey drip back into
the honey jar. The small glob that remains on the end of the toothpick
will fall off as a tiny droplet when you hold it an inch over the
steaming hot glass of water. You want the smallest drop of honey
possible.

All the Best,
Francis
www.bio-plasmics.org


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Re: CSSwitching rates for CS production

2005-06-29 Thread Ode Coyote

  That depends on what voltage range you use.
30 volts and under..about 60 second intervals.
 Higher voltages increase ion velocity.
 The key is to get them far enough away from the electrode before the
polarity swap sucks them back in.
 At 30 volts and under, they're moving pretty slow.
 If no stirring is used, a standing particle field can be observed to grow
and shrink and it's location can be adjusted accordingly by varying the
time between shifts.
 Too slow and both electrodes blacken.
Too fast and both electrodes gather white stuff.
 Get it right and all that crud goes into the water.
 A coffee filter doesn't filter it all out.
 Letting the water settle for a few days and decanting does.

10,000 volts? 60 HZ will probably be it.

Ode


At 12:49 PM 6/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Content-Disposition: inline

What is the range of polarity switching rates for CS making that you
feel is most appropriate?

Your post implies that using polarity switching one would either get
stronger PPM CS or would at least waste less silver and wear down the
electrodes at a slower rate.

Thanks,

Dan



Re: CSSilver electrode pollution reasons

From: Marshall Dudley wrote: 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:21:42 

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Material appearing on the electrodes can come from a variety of
sources.  If there is chlorine
in the water (or salts), then some of it can be silver chloride.  But
with pure distilled water
in general the accumulation on the anode is silver oxide, and on the
cathode is silver powder.


If polarity is switched, each is consumed, keeping the electrodes
rather clean if switched
at the correct rate.


Marshall




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CSSwitching rates for CS production

2005-06-28 Thread Dan Nave

What is the range of polarity switching rates for CS making that you
feel is most appropriate?

Your post implies that using polarity switching one would either get
stronger PPM CS or would at least waste less silver and wear down the
electrodes at a slower rate.

Thanks,

Dan



Re: CSSilver electrode pollution reasons

From: Marshall Dudley wrote: 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:21:42 



Material appearing on the electrodes can come from a variety of
sources.  If there is chlorine
in the water (or salts), then some of it can be silver chloride.  But
with pure distilled water
in general the accumulation on the anode is silver oxide, and on the
cathode is silver powder.


If polarity is switched, each is consumed, keeping the electrodes
rather clean if switched
at the correct rate.


Marshall




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RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-06 Thread Richard Harris

Orchids to YOU, Jason, for having the Character and Fortitude to stand on
our 1st Amendment Rights and challenge the bureaucratic monstrosity for
which I (together with millions of other men and women) put out lives on the
line much like the original Signers of Our Marvelous Constitution to defend
the rights of everyone, including these who have the ability to abuse us).
As a longtime friend who is and whose e-mail name is KYCOL sez: U Dun Gud!
translated: You did Very Well! Thank you Jason, for this and all the
excellent CS and Clay information you share with thos of us seeking to learn
so we can share with the needy around us and around the globe!
Sincerely in admiration,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


Hi Nenah:

I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs.  It's their Hrx
Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so
with excellent results.

To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an
extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add
carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single
substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ).  For my high PH
water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of
bentonite, and add a touch of CS.

This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions
that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences.

Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the
products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA:

http://www.altcancer.com

And all shipments of orders suspended.

While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after
arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ):

http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org

All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD
and hard-drive.  Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver
an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their
site.  I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is
released from federal custody.

I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be
released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha
Omega Labs.

I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm
used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus
I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls.

There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still
have some stock.

Hopefully, there will be more news next week.  I figure the US Federal
Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least
without a national security seal slapped on their operations.

Best Regards,

Jason


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 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


  Nenah:
 
  I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.
 
  I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
  only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and
according to
  the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects
to
  the solution.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason

 Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that
does not
 adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor
with
 baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do
you use
 it?

 Many thanks.

 Nenah


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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-06 Thread tdg39

Richard,
The 5cc of H202 you add per qt. is what concentration?
Thanks,
Terry
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

 Thanks Mike,
 This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real
problems,
 because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water.
Some
 suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to
 speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the
 previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks
to
 Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase
it's
 effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it
a
 taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful
 resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and
 people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously!
 Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx,
 Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with
 those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable
 information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and
 neighbors!
 Thanks to each of you.
 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-06 Thread Richard Harris

Hi Terry,
The easy to get H2O2, drugstore antiseptic kind, 3%. Sorry I didn't make it
clear at first.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: tdg39 [mailto:td...@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

Richard,
The 5cc of H202 you add per qt. is what concentration?
Thanks,
Terry
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

 Thanks Mike,
 This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real
problems,
 because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water.
Some
 suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to
 speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the
 previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks
to
 Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase
it's
 effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it
a
 taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful
 resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and
 people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously!
 Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx,
 Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with
 those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable
 information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and
 neighbors!
 Thanks to each of you.
 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

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 From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSAdditives to CS production...

 To Nenah and others discussing this:

 ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl)
 or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to
 get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested
 alternative.

 The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly,
 producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or
 weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your
 electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you
 found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per
 minute.

 It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and
 whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.

 A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It
 was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It
 worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal
 Silver in the modern era.

 Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water
 when they began examining the particle size issue.

 There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased
 risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course,
 now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)

 There was also concern that the use of  a starter produced other
 compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early
 stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This
 was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and
 concentration of the likely by-products.  (Except in Stan's case, of
 course! sigh)

 Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure
 distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting,
 other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on.

 All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the
 CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely
 leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions
 precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts.

 Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH
 without compromising the silver component?

 One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of
 these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production
 additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove
 beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal
 impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?

 For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for
 now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water

 Mike D.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

 Thanks Mike,
 This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems,
 because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some
 suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to
 speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the
 previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to
 Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's
 effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a
 taste (not unpleasant)
 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

Mike and Richard,
Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply
continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with
adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I
can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle
size.

Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute
quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS.
(The sale and soda were in different batches  ;)  He found that salt inhibited
the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not.

Best,
Nenah

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From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

 Hi Mike!

 Well said...

 Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm.

 Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care
 products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ).

 Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production,
 only after!

 Best Regards,

 Jason

Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after
production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the final
solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it.

Thanks.
Nenah

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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-05 Thread sol

Nenah,
  Please do report your results of experimenting with baking soda...I am 
experimenting on those lines also.
paula
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  From: Nenah Sylver 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM
  Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

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   From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
   Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: CSAdditives to CS production...

   To Nenah and others discussing this:

   ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl)
   or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to
   get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested
   alternative.

   The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly,
   producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or
   weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your
   electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you
   found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per
   minute.

   It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and
   whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.

   A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It
   was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It
   worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal
   Silver in the modern era.

   Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water
   when they began examining the particle size issue.

   There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased
   risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course,
   now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)

   There was also concern that the use of  a starter produced other
   compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early
   stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This
   was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and
   concentration of the likely by-products.  (Except in Stan's case, of
   course! sigh)

   Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure
   distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting,
   other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on.

   All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the
   CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely
   leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions
   precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts.

   Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH
   without compromising the silver component?

   One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of
   these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production
   additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove
   beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal
   impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?

   For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for
   now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water

   Mike D.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM
  Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production...

   Thanks Mike,
   This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems,
   because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some
   suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to
   speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the
   previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to
   Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's
   effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a
   taste (not unpleasant)
   Sincerely,
   Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

  Mike and Richard,
  Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply
  continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with
  adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see 
if I
  can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small 
particle
  size.

  Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding 
minute
  quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS.
  (The sale and soda were in different batches  ;)  He found that salt inhibited
  the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not.

  Best,
  Nenah

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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-05 Thread Jason Eaton

Nenah:

I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.

I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to
the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to
the solution.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...



 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


  Hi Mike!
 
  Well said...
 
  Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due
harm.
 
  Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care
  products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ).
 
  Of course, I would never use either substance before or during
production,
  only after!
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason

 Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after
 production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the
final
 solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it.

 Thanks.
 Nenah


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From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

 Nenah:

 I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.

 I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
 only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to
 the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to
 the solution.

 Best Regards,

 Jason

Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not
adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with
baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use
it?

Many thanks.

Nenah

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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-05 Thread Mike Monett

Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
From: Jason Eaton
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:59:38

  Hi Jason,

  This is another question on cs production. I'd like to follow  up on
  a question about something you posted a while ago. In your post at

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60525.html

  you said:

You'll see  that   long   before   you  began  experimenting with
extremely low  current, we had already experimented in  this area,
also making improvements with standing wave technology to boot.

  Can you  tell me more about standing wave technology? What  does the
  term mean?

Best Regards,

Mike Monett

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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-05 Thread Jason Eaton

Hi Nenah:

I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs.  It's their Hrx
Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so
with excellent results.

To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an
extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add
carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single
substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ).  For my high PH
water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of
bentonite, and add a touch of CS.

This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions
that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences.

Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the
products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA:

http://www.altcancer.com

And all shipments of orders suspended.

While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after
arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ):

http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org

All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD
and hard-drive.  Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver
an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their
site.  I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is
released from federal custody.

I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be
released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha
Omega Labs.

I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm
used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus
I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls.

There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still
have some stock.

Hopefully, there will be more news next week.  I figure the US Federal
Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least
without a national security seal slapped on their operations.

Best Regards,

Jason


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Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...



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 From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


  Nenah:
 
  I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.
 
  I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
  only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and
according to
  the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects
to
  the solution.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason

 Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that
does not
 adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor
with
 baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do
you use
 it?

 Many thanks.

 Nenah


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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

2003-10-05 Thread Robert Berger

Hi Nenah,

I would try the Alfa Aesar Chemical company. 1-800-343-0660. For the Potasssium
Hydroxide.

Ole Bob




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