Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion?
Hi Neville, Well by now, both you and Bernadette, should have received private emails, with (4) pix showing set-up for DIY air-filter/(scrubber) using extra quart-jar, holding water into which (raw/dirty) air, from a fish-tank pump, gets washed-clean of excess dirt, smoke, mold-spores, (even puff of Kangaroo Gas) if needed?g Unlike Saint Mike, I'm not SAINT...don't need to Preach-to-World! No prayers needed...at CSI~Group? [FYI: I really do feel sorry for problems he is having in CELL, but I will soon post-info on Doks DIY~SIP] On-Call, Dok [;D ~ notice I'm wearing doktor mask, so ya can't see ME Grinning (Ear-to-Ear) under face mask! P.S. Mr. Redfox...ya may be wise and frugal saving mistakes down under, but ol' Dok CAN still Decant... Great preserving EIS Brewing errors from World Down-Under, but in Heaven, Angles water Garden~LoL Sorry, Neville...just don't have time to let you 'Tie-me-Kangaroo-Down right~now...cheer leaders waiting, but after reading private email... let me know if interested in-offer, to feature pix...of your DIY package? CSI-Group will only offer members D-I-Y Information Pictures...so everyone still vents Gas right here~ From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: RE: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? It's not about money or low budget learning Dok g, it's about why throw something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so. That strong solution could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open wounds on animals as an example, or humans. I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and will do it again when/if the need arises. That's why I suggested using it sparingly. The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it out. N. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700 From: dokdal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Bernadette, What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after scanning few other replies, personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, measuring EOB of 60+ ppm? Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra ppm...is NOT Silver..! Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over extended period, may result in either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH (acid/alkali)...not good? Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + Silver wire) is very Low and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost learning...What-Not-to-Do! While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use it, for watering garden~ If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage, for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping it thru DW, in Brew Cell? Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines inserted thru lid and sealed to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL. In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, helps absorb unwanted gas? 2nd Opinion, DOK Dallas From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
RE: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion?
ROFPML... You're a riot Dok. Can't vent too much gas here, get kicked up backside, means I'd have to type standing up, end up dragging knuckles on the ground when I walk g. Oh, almost fergot, I CAN decant, just WON'T, cos I never have a need to, and if I ever did find the need I'd be looking at changing things g. N. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:38:09 -0700 From: dokdal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Neville, Well by now, both you and Bernadette, should have received private emails, with (4) pix showing set-upfor DIY air-filter/(scrubber) using extra quart-jar, holding water into which (raw/dirty) air, from a fish-tank pump, gets washed-clean of excess dirt, smoke, mold-spores, (even puff of Kangaroo Gas) if needed?g Unlike Saint Mike, I'm not SAINT...don't need to Preach-to-World! No prayers needed...at CSI~Group?[FYI: I really do feel sorry for problems he is having in CELL, but I will soon post-info on Doks DIY~SIP] On-Call,Dok [;D ~ notice I'm wearing doktor mask, so ya can't see ME Grinning (Ear-to-Ear) under face mask! P.S. Mr. Redfox...ya may be wise and frugal saving mistakes down under, but ol' Dok CAN still Decant... Great preserving EIS Brewing errors from World Down-Under, but in Heaven, Angles water Garden~LoL Sorry, Neville...just don't have time to let you 'Tie-me-Kangaroo-Down right~now...cheer leaders waiting, but after reading private email... let me know if interested in-offer, to feature pix...of your DIY package? CSI-Group will only offer members D-I-Y Information Pictures...so everyone still vents Gas right here~ From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: RE: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? It's not about money or low budget learning Dok g, it's about why throw something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so.That strong solution could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open wounds on animals as an example, or humans. I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and will do it again when/if the need arises. That's why I suggested using it sparingly. The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it out. N. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700 From: dokdal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Bernadette, What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after scanning few other replies, personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, measuring EOB of 60+ ppm? Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra ppm...is NOT Silver..! Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over extended period, may result in either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH (acid/alkali)...not good? Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + Silver wire) is very Low and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost learning...What-Not-to-Do! While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use it, for watering garden~ If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage, for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping it thru DW, in Brew Cell? Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines inserted thru lid and sealed to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL. In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, helps absorb unwanted gas? 2nd Opinion, DOK Dallas From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
RE: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
Well, each to their own I suppose Jane. Adding equal quantity of DW would dilute it I guess, then adding another equal quantity to that quantity may dilute it further. I've never bothered with that personally. I've never had a batch that high so praps one of the gurus' may offer some advice g. N. From: highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Neville / Re: CSA question, please Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:50:02 +1000 Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this? Jane From: Neville Munn I wouldn't throw it away. Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind. Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle. You will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle. I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand. --- I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1.
Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
Thanks, wasn't quite sure how it worked :) - Original Message - From: Neville Munn Well, each to their own I suppose Jane. Adding equal quantity of DW would dilute it I guess, then adding another equal quantity to that quantity may dilute it further. I've never bothered with that personally. I've never had a batch that high so praps one of the gurus' may offer some advice g. N.
Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
Thanks all - I decanted the strong 61.1 CS this morning - i gargled with it last night - straight - Wow!!! strong - but I thought wound application would be a good thing. As long as everyone agrees that I should keep it - I will. I started brewing another batch this morning and will keep close eye on it this time. I also think I will begin putting it in the animals water - well diluted. Thank you all for you helpful hints. B. - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: Neville / Re: CSA question, please Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this? Jane From: Neville Munn I wouldn't throw it away. Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind. Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle. You will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle. I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand. --- I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1.
Re: CSA question, please
First, Carbonic Acid, then Silver Carbonate. [is that even soluble enough to raise a TDS reading significantly? ] Ode At 09:12 PM 5/21/2012 -0400, you wrote: It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a thunderstorm, or if you have smog. It will definitely add CO2 producing silver carbonate though. Marshall On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Solubility in cold water is 32 ppm, hot water is 500 ppm. Marshall On 5/22/2012 9:13 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: First, Carbonic Acid, then Silver Carbonate. [is that even soluble enough to raise a TDS reading significantly? ] Ode At 09:12 PM 5/21/2012 -0400, you wrote: It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a thunderstorm, or if you have smog. It will definitely add CO2 producing silver carbonate though. Marshall On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com%3FsubjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion?
Hello Bernadette, What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after scanning few other replies, personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, measuring EOB of 60+ ppm? Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra ppm...is NOT Silver..! Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over extended period, may result in either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH (acid/alkali)...not good? Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + Silver wire) is very Low and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost learning...What-Not-to-Do! While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use it, for watering garden~ If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage, for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping it thru DW, in Brew Cell? Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines inserted thru lid and sealed to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL. In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, helps absorb unwanted gas? 2nd Opinion, DOK Dallas From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please Thanks all - I decanted the strong 61.1 CS this morning - i gargled with it last night - straight - Wow!!! strong - but I thought wound application would be a good thing. As long as everyone agrees that I should keep it - I will. I started brewing another batch this morning and will keep close eye on it this time. I also think I will begin putting it in the animals water - well diluted. Thank you all for you helpful hints. B. - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: Neville / Re: CSA question, please Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this? Jane From: Neville Munn I wouldn't throw it away. Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind. Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle. You will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle. I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand. --- I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion?
It's not about money or low budget learning Dok g, it's about why throw something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so.That strong solution could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open wounds on animals as an example, or humans. I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and will do it again when/if the need arises. That's why I suggested using it sparingly. The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it out. N. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700 From: dokdal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please/2nd opinion? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Bernadette, What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after scanning few other replies, personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, measuring EOB of 60+ ppm? Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra ppm...is NOT Silver..! Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over extended period, may result in either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH (acid/alkali)...not good? Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + Silver wire) is very Low and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost learning...What-Not-to-Do! While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use it, for watering garden~ If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage, for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping it thru DW, in Brew Cell? Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines inserted thru lid and sealed to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL. In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, helps absorb unwanted gas? 2nd Opinion, DOK Dallas From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CSA question, please
CSA question, please
I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSA question, please
Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question, please
No Brooks made it for me. On May 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sorry, didn't know anyone besides the one mentioned that made a bubbler unit. Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSA question, please No Brooks made it for me. On May 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question, please
It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a thunderstorm, or if you have smog. It will definitely add CO2 producing silver carbonate though. Marshall On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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It has been raining all day but no thunderstorms or smog. I just don't know if I should get rid od it and start over. I make a gallon at a time. Thanks to all for the replies. B. On May 21, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a thunderstorm, or if you have smog. It will definitely add CO2 producing silver carbonate though. Marshall On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote: Shows that bubbling is poor practice. Adds nitrogen to the water increasing PPM readings. Probably a Silver Edge unitright? Trem -Original Message- From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSA question, please
I wouldn't throw it away. Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind. Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle. You will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle. I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand. N. From: bernade...@pa.net Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:26:25 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question, please I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1. My question is should I throw this away. I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. B. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Neville / Re: CSA question, please
Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this? Jane From: Neville Munn I wouldn't throw it away. Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind. Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle. You will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle. I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand. --- I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1.
Re: CSA question
You would have made the silver particles agglomerate i.e. clump together sunny. This means they would be bigger and not so easy to eliminate although, in this amount, it probably wouldn't matter. I don't know if it would do anything about the efficacy of it though. dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 20:53, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: About 8 months ago I bought a large bottle of colloidal silver. When it was halfway done I decided to add some oil of oregano to the mix. I've been using it ever since [spraying it on my gums because I did have some dental problems and didn't want them to recur] and now am beginning to think that I've ruined the silver. ;-) Is this the case? thanks sunny
CSA question
About 8 months ago I bought a large bottle of colloidal silver. When it was halfway done I decided to add some oil of oregano to the mix. I've been using it ever since [spraying it on my gums because I did have some dental problems and didn't want them to recur] and now am beginning to think that I've ruined the silver. ;-) Is this the case...? thanks sunny A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
CSa question...
Hello All, I've been away from the list for a few years and just recently got back on it. I've been making and taking the juice for about 10 years now and I've had a question that keeps popping up in the back of my mind. At one time high concentration and small particle size seemed to be a topic of discussion. I was wondering if CS can be concentrated by evaporating or slow distilling the H2O off of it and if so will the particle size remain the same (like charges repel) or will it clump together and form large particles? Has anyone done research on that? Thanks in advance... Andy **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507)
RE: CSa question about silver????
You wrote: I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. Me too. (Although I could use a little help in some of the actual schematic and programming.) It would have to incorporate a microprocessor and a 2 line LCD display and a few switches because it would be programmable. In one mode you could use any size electrodes, any amount of water, and quality of water... Not really sure how it would go over commercially because there is a lot to be said for a plug and play unit. Could have a plug and play mode. Dan -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSa question about silver Morning Arnold, At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of Ionic concentration. This results in an inferior product, even when the person using it is very diligent. Can you define your Runaway term? A bit more detailed. While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically correct, I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for sensors, of years. Inferior is a bit hard to define. Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits, and less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems. And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute. Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing. I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no power supply. Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
compounds that are combinations of other impurities contained in the salt. Please do not do this. There are other people, who will tell you that it is okay to just use tap water. There is a case of a congressman from South Dakota, who did this and turned blue. I don't know whether or not it did him any permanent harm. But it doesn't seem like a good idea to me. - Original Message - From: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: CSa question about silver -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Morning Arnold, At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of Ionic concentration. This results in an inferior product, even when the person using it is very diligent. Can you define your Runaway term? A bit more detailed. While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically correct, I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for sensors, of years. Inferior is a bit hard to define. Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits, and less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems. And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute. Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing. I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no power supply. Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Morning Arnold, The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density I don't understand this. I have never seen any bubbles ? Where do the bubbles come from ? Who looks for bubbles ? Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:13 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Arnold, The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density I don't understand this. I have never seen any bubbles ? Where do the bubbles come from ? Who looks for bubbles ? Wayne === Good Morning Wayne, When I first started out making it, I followed some instructions on a website showing a very simple method that Arnold has described. It was more like a yellow mist, floating from one electrode to the other. That is the visual clue that it is almost time to turn it off. It does look very cool. Then I found some instructions on what size potentiometer to get to put in series and control the current, making a higher quality product. So these are some very simple instructions for someone that does not have much to work with. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Evening Ruth, At 11:39 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: Wow!!!A CS Gen with no battery or power supply?!?! I did not say there was no voltage source. I used the term power supply the way many use it which is technically incorrect. Many terms are murdered on this list and others. Any power source is a power supply of sorts, be in the conventional power supply, transformer, battery, solar collector, house power, solar ponds, chemical tanks or containers, or generators. The power source for my generator is the telephone line, frowned upon by many. While the phone company maintains huge battery banks, after a long enough outage, depending on generators, it may loose power also. Plus, it is not available in remote locations. I think someone now sells something similar but I built this long ago after observing the phone line voltage is about two times the 3 / 9 volt batteries, 27 compared to 52 VDC. I'm very limited by budget, but it costs nothing to ask, I have a Silverpuppy that I'm very happy with, but not having to have batteries or power would be wonderful! You best provide power for that one and forget most of the others. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSa question about silver????
Mike D. silver-list owner Said And should any of you new people lurking out there be wondering when we're going to start talking about silver... all it takes is for you to ask a question! grin Hi Mike, By all means, let us start talking about. Colloidal silver. I will take it as a starting point a recent e-mail from a person who knew that I sell ultra pure 49 silver wire. It is as follows: I have not started to make my own CS can I purchase a gallon through you? Thank you. ~Norine I replied in this manner: Hello Norine, Thank you for your inquiry. As you may know, I supply ultra pure silver wire for those people and companies making colloidal silver. A number of these companies include my wire in their colloidal silver generator kits. Colloidal silver is basically very easy to produce. A great deal of misinformation can be found on the net and I am sure it confuses people. Whether or not this is done on purpose is a matter for debate. I have been making and using colloidal silver for many years and I have sometimes considered selling it. I have as good or better scientific equipment here as anyone to assure me that I am producing only the highest quality product. I have not done this for two reasons. We are in Spokane, Washington, and therefore at a disadvantage in terms of shipping. For an example, shipping a gallon to you would cost me at least $30 as I would charge for the product itself. The other reason is that I do not wish to be associated with those who sell colloidal silver. Far too many of these people make outrageous claims as to the effectiveness of colloidal silver. That is not to say that colloidal silver is not enormously useful. But it is not a universal cure all. Most of these people are hucksters and have no way of knowing they are producing. There have been instances of people buying colloidal silver with active bacteria within. Would you like to be able to make your own at a cost of less than $.50 a gallon? I will set you up with two pieces of 12 gauge wire 6 inches long, a multimeter, a resister and a set alligator clip leads. I will also include one of my laser pointers, so that you will be able to see the actual silver particles. I will start making up a part of our website with instructions on how to use this equipment. You will have to purchase four 9 V batteries. These are available at stores such as Safeway for as little as one dollar each. Later on in the process, as you become comfortable with what you are doing, I will supply you with a plug-in power supply and a larger amount of silver so that you will be able to make 1 gallon at a time. It will be a good project for me. You can be of a great help in questions and directing me to make any areas more clear to a potential user. This will cost you only $29 to start with. I have been to your website, and I have no doubt that a person of your accomplishments will find this an interesting and worthwhile project. This was over three weeks ago, and I never heard back from Norine. This makes me wonder, how many people, no matter what amount of help you offer, are unwilling to make the effort to engage in the simple process of making their own colloidal silver. Why is this? Is it simply because people are fearful of anything with any degree of technical knowledge? Is it because the purveyors of colloidal silver have made it seem a complicated process? I would appreciate any and all comments on this matter. As most of the people on this list are aware, I have been supply for silver for those who make their own so that they have absolute assurance that they are starting off with something that will not poison them. I am willing to make to the effort to enable people to produce this very simple product, which will enhance their ability to withstand the dangers of living in this world. But, I am not inclined to beat my head about against a wall. Any guidance will be appreciated. I have begun to write about what I know about colloidal silver. Is this a worthwhile project? I need some feedback please. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Question.... and warning from the List Owner
Okay folks... Most of you know the drill. For anybody who doesn't know the rules, the applicable section is as follows: 'Politics is forbidden unless it relates directly to CS or important alternative health issues, as mentioned above. Do not discuss political parties, elections, politicians, policy, or philosophy. Do not raise divisive issues -- you know which ones! Do not reply to political comments made by others... Nope, not even to be fair! ' If you need to review the rules, they're at the web site linked in the footer at the bottom of this and every list message. Don't reply to this thread. Do not reply to any responses that come in from people who are catching up on their mail over the next day or two. Let the thread die. At least half of the damage was done by those who complained or responded on-list. The one member who sent me a heads-up message privately did the right thing. My thanks to them. As always, the Off Topic list (also linked at bottom) can be used for these kinds of comments. I will be happy to referee the debate over there as long as people remain civil. Hank has been warned. Be well, Mike Devour Silver List owner Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. ... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Question....OT answer to a reply. Sorry Mike
no paranoid delusion there. there are a number of theories on why our current president invaded iraq. none of them have anything to do with fighting terrorism. as far as WMD's, i suggest you look up Scott Ritter. he was a US marine and UNSCOM weapons inspector who resigned in 1998, saying the inspection process was being misused to check on Saddam's defences and that Iraq's WMD's were almost completely destroyed. if you attack a country based on wilful disinformation and lies, killing an estimated 10,000 civilians, that makes you a criminal. each act of agression and violence that individuals or countries get away with in the public sphere opens the doorway to further agression and violence by opportunists in the public stage. On Mar 29, 2004, at 12:07 AM, Hank wrote: Not a damn thing if you are dead. If you are alive and can think then it has a lot to do with CS. It can save us lucky enough to not be in the shrubs war. Maybe you could help stop the war for oil. If not then CS won't help you and you will die, See you in the camp. Yours Hank - Original Message - From: David Bearrow To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: CSA Question What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver? At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote: Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over.
CSA Question....
Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over.
Re: CSA Question....
Who is this mental giant? This looks like liberal political spam to me. - Original Message - From: Hank To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: CSA Question Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over.
Re: CSA Question....
What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver? At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote: Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Question....
Hell I don't know what a mental giant is. Do you? I sure don't think it will be you. And the Spam is that you can't open your eyes. Yours Hank - Original Message - From: Acmeair To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: CSA Question Who is this mental giant? This looks like liberal political spam to me. - Original Message - From: Hank To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: CSA Question Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over.
Re: CSA Question....OT answer to a reply. Sorry Mike
Not a damn thing if you are dead. If you are alive and can think then it has a lot to do with CS. It can save us lucky enough to not be in the shrubs war. Maybe you could help stop the war for oil. If not then CS won't help you and you will die, See you in the camp. Yours Hank - Original Message - From: David Bearrow To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: CSA Question What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver? At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote: Stop reading for a minute. Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think. Remember. See if you can answer yes to this question: Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this entire war? I didn't think so. This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The dead and wounded are being completely hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end. The profit taking isn't near over.
Re: CSA question (anna)
anna try a series of liver g/b flushes,and coffee enamas, you must be very toxic. roger Hi Richard, I sent the replies on to Anna, Here is her answer. Hank, I think you may remember this from NWOC. But, I had some CS from Innerlight. The very first time I took it...and it was only about 5 drops under my tonguemy throat closed up...I had an allergic reaction. I almost went into anaphylactic shock. Grabbed my inhaler just in time. Drank lots of pure water. I was told that it must've not been very good CS but I'm VERY sensitive to pills, drugs, herbs, etcso I have to admit I'm afraid to try it again. I don't even take pain meds like tylenol unless it's severe. I've got a really strong immune system...knock on wood, I've not been sick with a virus or flu since the week after 9/11. I had bronchitis for over a month...from the chem spraying which was heavy when aircraft could fly again. I had it so bad, I thought I'd die with it. But since, I've not even had a cold. I've had allergic reaction stuff..throat closing up, stuffy sinuses, watery eyes, etc. but no infection, cold, virus, etc. So - I don't have any CS. ??? Anna Sincerely Yours, Hank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSA question
Hank, You're on track for proper actions; I would increase my own daily intake of CS--spray my eyes at least twice a day; take a bottle of CS to work and spray on phones and everything that could shelter pathogens in addition to the blue bottled spray you spoke of. Primarily, I would take him a quart of CS and invite him to begin using it internally and as external soaks several times a day--stressing that CS is NOT a drug or medication, but a mineral supplement that he could (and I feel Should) use regularly to complement (NOT replace) anything else he's taking or using. I'll remind you that CS can be safely used by anyone, of any age, or size with ANY condition or problem, taking any medication or treatment without interferring with other medications. If he buys in to this and uses CS, he can be blessed mightily--if he, like 85% of people that Dr. Bob Beck described as refusing CS and having a Death Wish--then you can wish him well and pray for him and his recovery. Happy New Year to You and ALL! Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Hank [mailto:h...@arkansas.net] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 9:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA question Hi, I got this from another list I am on. Anyone know anything about this? Hi guys... I wanted to update you on the guy at work with the sore on his face whose case study was a mystery to the docs last week. When I arrived at work this morning...I replaced him..he held over 2 hours so I could have christmas with my children this morning. I noticed his sore has become sores - 3 of them. One nickel sized and another the size of a dime next to it...and pea sized to the right...starting to connect. I tried not to stare...and asked him if he heard back from the docs. He said, Yep. It's a blood borne pathogen of which they're not sure. I'm not supposed to be working around people or food. BUT, you know how it is...I gotta work. I didn't think to ask him how they are treating it - my head was spinningI think he was on antibiotics last week...so why is it spreading? And, my search for blood borne pathogens turns up everything from aids to hepatitis C. They are not naming his condition yet. HOWEVER, I'm following this guy each morningImmediately after he left I sprayed and hopefully sanitized (not sure what's in the blue liquid in the bottle we clean counters, etc. with) EVERYTHING. His register, the counter, the lottery machineanything I could think of that he had touched. He had a copy of the book, the Bible Code, laying there so we started a rather cool conversation on theology, spanning millenium and into the future. He's really an awesome person...5 year old son...I feel really bad for him...BUT ...BUT (can't get the caps any bigger!)...HE IS CONTAGIOUS! And making coffee, and putting hotdogs on the grill (with gloves...but)...and touching things I have to touch too. Guys...I'm just looking for ..well, something here. If the docs STILL don't know what it is (looks like Impetigo) then it can't be impetigo or something common. Help me here...wwyd?? What would YOU do??? What do YOU think? Any articles floating out there that speak of this? Peace - Anna Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 12/23/03
Re: CSA question
Hi Richard, I sent the replies on to Anna, Here is her answer. Hank, I think you may remember this from NWOC. But, I had some CS from Innerlight. The very first time I took it...and it was only about 5 drops under my tonguemy throat closed up...I had an allergic reaction. I almost went into anaphylactic shock. Grabbed my inhaler just in time. Drank lots of pure water. I was told that it must've not been very good CS but I'm VERY sensitive to pills, drugs, herbs, etcso I have to admit I'm afraid to try it again. I don't even take pain meds like tylenol unless it's severe. I've got a really strong immune system...knock on wood, I've not been sick with a virus or flu since the week after 9/11. I had bronchitis for over a month...from the chem spraying which was heavy when aircraft could fly again. I had it so bad, I thought I'd die with it. But since, I've not even had a cold. I've had allergic reaction stuff..throat closing up, stuffy sinuses, watery eyes, etc. but no infection, cold, virus, etc. So - I don't have any CS. ??? Anna Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Richard Harris To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: RE: CSA question Hank, You're on track for proper actions; I would increase my own daily intake of CS--spray my eyes at least twice a day; take a bottle of CS to work and spray on phones and everything that could shelter pathogens in addition to the blue bottled spray you spoke of. --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 12/23/03
CSA question
Hi, I got this from another list I am on. Anyone know anything about this? Hi guys... I wanted to update you on the guy at work with the sore on his face whose case study was a mystery to the docs last week. When I arrived at work this morning...I replaced him..he held over 2 hours so I could have christmas with my children this morning. I noticed his sore has become sores - 3 of them. One nickel sized and another the size of a dime next to it...and pea sized to the right...starting to connect. I tried not to stare...and asked him if he heard back from the docs. He said, Yep. It's a blood borne pathogen of which they're not sure. I'm not supposed to be working around people or food. BUT, you know how it is...I gotta work. I didn't think to ask him how they are treating it - my head was spinningI think he was on antibiotics last week...so why is it spreading? And, my search for blood borne pathogens turns up everything from aids to hepatitis C. They are not naming his condition yet. HOWEVER, I'm following this guy each morningImmediately after he left I sprayed and hopefully sanitized (not sure what's in the blue liquid in the bottle we clean counters, etc. with) EVERYTHING. His register, the counter, the lottery machineanything I could think of that he had touched. He had a copy of the book, the Bible Code, laying there so we started a rather cool conversation on theology, spanning millenium and into the future. He's really an awesome person...5 year old son...I feel really bad for him...BUT ...BUT (can't get the caps any bigger!)...HE IS CONTAGIOUS! And making coffee, and putting hotdogs on the grill (with gloves...but)...and touching things I have to touch too. Guys...I'm just looking for ..well, something here. If the docs STILL don't know what it is (looks like Impetigo) then it can't be impetigo or something common. Help me here...wwyd?? What would YOU do??? What do YOU think? Any articles floating out there that speak of this? Peace - Anna Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 12/23/03
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
That's assuming that the experiment didn't take transmission possibilities into account and isolate the experiment from the general population. What sort of idiot wouldn't do that? Silver is commonly used to sterilize surfaces and water supplies [NASA does that]. It's not at all difficult to prove that it works [or doesn't]. It's known and accepted by both the American EPA and the Canadian counterparts of the EPA that silver kills microbes quite effectively and is virtually non toxic to mammals. It's in their water quality standards reports. Almost any good reference book less than 40 years old mentions that quality. Why not air? [Hey, find out, right?] The problem is that people don't read their own 'bibles' and defer literacy to the programmed priesthood of the black or white world who can't [or won't] read with a discernment adequate to tell tons from micrograms. Well, maybe Holy water is good stuff...but it ain't the only water around. ken I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that this would not infect others. I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of being laughed at. But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if I present something they have no experience with and then tell them to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now. If you're talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be a concern for two reasons. First, I'm trying to take advantage of the opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine. I want them to seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation I've managed to cultivate in this group. It's not every day that a person who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by physicians and scientists. I'm not about to do anything to damage this. I'm playing by their rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS. Then THEY can figure out how to administer it (with a few subtle hints). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Ken, I said: Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. So, the risk is in being laughed at? :-) I meant medical risk..but you knew that. ** I don't think I expressed myself well enough. It seems you are responding to something I didn't say. I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that this would not infect others. I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of being laughed at. But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if I present something they have no experience with and then tell them to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now. If you're talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be a concern for two reasons. First, I'm trying to take advantage of the opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine. I want them to seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation I've managed to cultivate in this group. It's not every day that a person who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by physicians and scientists. I'm not about to do anything to damage this. I'm playing by their rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS. Then THEY can figure out how to administer it (with a few subtle hints). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, for what it's worth, I have been flooding my system with CS and zapping for the last 5 days, and this monster will not die. I have drank, nebulized, gargled, and iv twice, and then used a godzilla. My hair finally stopped hurting today. We may be in for some trouble, unless someone here has a better protocol. Maybe someone here can explain the logistics of dmso and so on. I just assumed that CS with a drop of h202 3-4 sessions a day in a neb. would do it in, but it seems to have just offer temp. relief. On the other hand, it might buy some time, or provide extra kick for prescribed medicine. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This is a sensible comment. There must be some way to rig up a device to filter the exhalation, sort a reverse gas-mask device to filter the exhalations rather than the inhalations. Should be big bucks, too, for anyone supplying such a device, which would be much cheaper than those negative-pressure chambers they have in some hospitals. Big bucks for some first-rate medical vendors here if CS is shown to have an effect. David Bearrow wrote: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html | David Bearrow | | dav...@sbcglobal.net | + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Reid: I enjoyed your comments. I certainly agree. We know from personal research and personal experience that isolated silver is effective in-vivo against virii. The barrier doesn't seem to be the type, but rather, the location in the body and whether or not silver can be delivered to the infection site in great enough concentration, consistently, and for a long enough period of time to be effective. I have been following four recent cases of Hep C and three cases of HIV ( full blown AIDS ). The results, across the board, are very promising. The longest AIDS case I've followed has been a near-death scenario, with a complete restoration of health for a seven year period via colloidal silver use ( not an HIV negative, however ). I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. If one knows they have this condition, then it is on the individual to be reasonably responsible with limitation of contact. If a person is not that responsible, then the philosophical point is irrelevant anyway. I never let academia get in the way of taking care of a condition with every possible method available. It might not work is not good enough for me. It never has been, and never will be. I would be more inclined to say that it might not work as well via oral use. This world is a very strange place. Do the needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one? Before people are allowed to make policy, or otherwise make decisions that can save or kill, I think this question should be accurately analyzed and answered. With Warm Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined CSEnthusiasts, In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for prevention or for cure. For example, if we have a high degree of certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite reasonable to be within their breething zone. And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not be? As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first? For what other virus has CS not indicated effective? My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge to what others are saying. Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these worrisome times. Reid David Bearrow said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Wouldn't one be exhaling CS droplets along with the virus? I should think that anything that does come out would be quite dead. ken At 12:43 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, I can tell you that from current precautions being taken, anything that would aresolize in a SARS patient's room is being stopped. i.e. no hand washing inside the room. Holding to the theory that the virus is the cause, they are saying that it stays live on surfaces for 24 hours. Anything that aresolizes could conceivably contaminate every surface in a patient's room and increase the possibility of transmission to care givers. Even the other day orders came through on patients' charts not to do chest percussions or 'cupping' for chest physio. SARS makes for a dry cough but other types of pneumonia are not dry and require chest physio. Even now, we are double gowning, double gloving, double masking, full face shields, microsan hand wash between phases of removal of layer inside and outside the door. Patients are all in negative pressure rooms. Ian - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. But any CS is a billion times less risky to use in any way than having SARS...just use the best you can find or make. Generally speaking, what you make using basic protocals and care will be better than what you buy. Most commercial producers go for speed of production...not quality and most commercially available CS is actually MSP [mild silver protein] and sometimes made by a chemical precipitate method. Read the fine print. If the label says it may irritate eyes etc...if it says shake before using...it's probably not very good. Ken IV protocol, anyone? Amount, frequency? I should probably recommend the CS one can get by Rx only. That would make the mainstream docs feel good and safe I think. Thanks :-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Idea: Get the physician to make a culture from exhaled droplets before and after [during?] nebulizing with CS. A couple of breaths of CS vapor certainly won't hurt [or cure] anyone but should be quite revealing. It could turn out that running an ultrasonic humidifier with CS in it will completely protect anyone in the room...and maybe even cure the patient. You have desperation in your favor. In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ken At 04:24 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: Dear Laura, You said: Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far more nebulizing anything. The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people treating people who have SARS . I have to be scientific in my presentation otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes. Right now, they are not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission. What has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange system in the hospitals. What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. Oops - I mis-spoke. I meant pharmaceutical grade. Sorry for the confusion. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Ken, You said: You have desperation in your favor. ** True. THis is the only reason they are even willing to give me an audience. You said: In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ** Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. Do you know anything about IV administration of CS? Thanks, Ken. BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator. I appreciate the workmanship, detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Catherine: Of course I understand! I've been working on several very qualified infectious disease specialists now for quite some time. I had erronously assumed that the MD's were experienced in using colloidal silver. I also didn't want those on the street to be afraid of nebulizing. On more than one occasion I have been approached by those I know who work in hospital settings, who almost cannot bear NOT to take a few select substances into their hospital. I myself almost cannot bear to not walk in myself and lend assistance to ease needless suffering and failing treatment modalities. The conversation always goes like this: Would X work on this case of gangrene ( as an example )? We're going to have to take the leg! My response goes something like this: Yes it would. But you can't risk losing your license to practice. Get them out of the hospital, and it would be different. Not be to overly harsh on the medical establishment, I had the opportunity to follow a precident setting case of a failed surgical procedure where the bowels were nicked. The individual was sewn up, and within 24 hours displayed signs of SEVERE bloating. The surgeons went in and determined that the bowels were nicked and leaking, and they could not perform a surgical repair. This individual was going to die. They brought in a VAC wound care system. The dressing changes would take from 2 to 4 hours... Sometimes longer if they could not get a vaccum seal on the irregular wound. Every pad, seal, and dressing would have to be cut to dimensions. Once the vaccum seal had been successfully established, it could be left on for extended periods of time. If for whatever reason the seal was broken, the whole dressing would have to be redone. In such situations, antibiotics are useless. When fecal matter is leaking into the body, you cannot stop an infection. The VAC system successfully kept the wound isolated and sealed. The infection was eliminated. The abdominal area was kept free of fecal matter, and the nicks in the intestines healed. The individual walked out of that hospital. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Catherine: RX grading is not determined by the FDA. It is determined by USP standards. There are currently no USP standards for isolated silver products. There are people working on establishing these standards, however. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. Oops - I mis-spoke. I meant pharmaceutical grade. Sorry for the confusion. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Catherine, You mentioned the use of inhalers as being acceptable. Why not use an empty inhaler and fill it with CS. That way there won't be any excess droplets when the person exhales. Trem - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Trem, You said: You mentioned the use of inhalers as being acceptable. Why not use an empty inhaler and fill it with CS. That way there won't be any excess droplets when the person exhales. I agree. This sounds like a way to go. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You said: In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ** Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. ## So, the risk is in being laughed at? :-) I meant medical risk..but you knew that. Do you know anything about IV administration of CS? ### I believe that Nancy would be the one to ask...and has posted several items on the subject. I don't think it would be any different than using plain old distilled water in an IV, but I'm not a medico. I do know that the CS you and I make is no more irritating to the eyes than distilled water. [stings a little in the same way] Thanks, Ken. BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator. I appreciate the workmanship, detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price. Thank YOU! Ken Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-), Please search your brains. Did I see somewhere that CS works on small envelope proteins? If so, where did I see it? Dare I push this any further and ask about spike glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins? Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? Thanks in advance for all responses. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Catherine, Personally I think the statement made earlier by the authorities that nebulizing would increase the danger of disease spread. I guess the SARS people should stop breathing. When I nebulize I continue breathing or should I just stop?? :-) I don't want to contemplate the alternative! Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why wouldn't nebulizing with CS be OK? Each droplet of mist is saturated with CS. If it will kill the pathogen in the lungs it will kill it in the droplet in the air so any mist breathed out would be sterile. Or is this not the issue? you wrote: CSA question for the scientifically inclined From: C Creel (view other messages by this author) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:23:23 Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-), Please search your brains. Did I see somewhere that CS works on small envelope proteins? If so, where did I see it? Dare I push this any further and ask about spike glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins? Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? Thanks in advance for all responses. Regards, Catherine
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I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? paula - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Dave, You said: Why wouldn't nebulizing with CS be OK? Each droplet of mist is saturated with CS. If it will kill the pathogen in the lungs it will kill it in the droplet in the air so any mist breathed out would be sterile. Or is this not the issue? ** The problem is it is pure speculation. We can't yet say that CS works until it works. In the meantime, to nebulize could be spreading it. Currently, all breathing treatments are being done with inhalers for this reason. Regards, Catherine Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've been sick with something for the last 3 days akin to the symptoms of sars, however, I'm assuming it's the flu or strep throat or such; anyway, when I nebulize CS, the symptoms subside, so much so that on the second day I felt good enough to lift weights, thinking I had kicked it, but the next day it is back with a vengeance. Just finished 2 sessions, along with 2 kinds of zappers, and the symptoms are diminished again, but not gone. At any rate, it's probably a good idea (for me) to self treat, and avoid places like hospitals and drs offices. I'm in Md. -no reported cases so far, that I know of. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? Risk of spreading it further. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube) and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out really well. paula - Original Message - Risk of spreading it further. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Paula, You said: Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube) and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out really well. SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. The last place I would want to be if I suspected I had SARS would be a hospital emergency room. Laura In a message dated 4/25/03 10:33:47 AM Central Daylight Time, ccr...@adelphia.net writes: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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OK, I think I've got it . If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale . If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . H . I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . :-) - Original Message - From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.) But, only if it is a given that you, and those around you have it, and you are left to your own, as in house or neighborhood quarantine, will you get the opportunity to find out. Another reason is that, at the first sign of symptoms, those of us that can, will start treatment, and possibly knock it out before it gets started. I just went through 3 days of probable flu, and will never know for sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear David, You said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. I'm talking about this for a very specific reason. I have the opportunity to introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases. They are not nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more. I cannot appproach them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to dangerous. The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce CS will be lost (this time). I don't want that to happen. A filter is an interesting idea but my concern is that each thing introduced to them that is unfamiliar will make them more unable to see the possibilities. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but please understand that I have to operate within some established parameters. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 01:56 PM 4/25/03, you wrote: I'm talking about this for a very specific reason. I have the opportunity to introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases. They are not nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more. I cannot appproach them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to dangerous. The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce CS will be lost (this time). I don't want that to happen. I understand your concern with attempting to introduce CS to physicians, however, the discussion brought confusion to some folks on the list who thought you were saying that they should not nebulize silver if they caught SARS. Most likely nebulizing CS will be beneficial to someone with SARS. The problem was not with this treatment but with getting a mainstream physician to accept this protocol. The only way we will ever know if nebulizing will help is if someone tries it. I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help. +-- Bentonite Clay for sale (50 lb bag) -+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Dear David, You said: I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help. **Yes, I will be presenting the work from BYU. Thank you for mentioning the IV protocol. I'm so microfocused on the lungs at this point (and exhausted) that I was only thinking about a direct delivery method to the lungs. Geeez...I think I need to take a breather and get my head back on straight. IV protocol, anyone? Amount, frequency? I should probably recommend the CS one can get by Rx only. That would make the mainstream docs feel good and safe I think. Thanks :-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.) ** We'll know if CS works if I can convince this group of physicians on Sunday to use it. I just went through 3 days of probable flu, and will never know for sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. ** I'd be shocked if it was. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Dear Laura, You said: Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far more nebulizing anything. The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people treating people who have SARS . I have to be scientific in my presentation otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes. Right now, they are not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission. What has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange system in the hospitals. What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Bwahaha, Ed, let us all know when you come up with an answer how we can still breathe and avoid the virus! Actually I did think we all exhaled droplets with every breath, if we didn't it would mean our lungs were all dried out and we'd be dead. So far I just plan to keep spraying my eyes, face, and hands whenever I've been out around people. Been doing this for many weeks now, and it is keeping me from any colds, etc. so far. Its no trouble at all to carry a little 2 oz spray bottle of CS with me everywhere. I would sure hope someone is going to be able to test the SARS virus with CS at some point. Don't expect that to happen real soon, though. paula - Original Message - From: Ed Haskins e...@loxinfo.co.th OK, I think I've got it . If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale . If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . H . I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . :-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
CSEnthusiasts, In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for prevention or for cure. For example, if we have a high degree of certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite reasonable to be within their breething zone. And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not be? As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first? For what other virus has CS not indicated effective? My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge to what others are saying. Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these worrisome times. Reid David Bearrow said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question - perhaps to Trem
Dear Trem and Malcolm, Thank you for your prompt responses. I agree, Malcolm, the two sites you gave as as good as it gets! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Catherine, Our unit does stir the water, shuts off automatically and has a variable PPM control but we haven't offered them at discount. That's a good idea. We'll give list members 10% off on any of our generators. Any takers please contact me off list. Thanks. Hope this isn't too commercial Mike. (o¿o) - Trem www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@eagle1st.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: CSA question - perhaps to Trem Dear Group, I'm trying to recall what member sells an entire kit for making CS. I believe the generator has an automatic stirrer. As I recall, the price is quite reasonable. I seem to also recall at least a couple of times that the price was reduced for a limited time for list members. (?) Thanks in advance for any assistance with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA question - perhaps to Trem
Dear Group, I'm trying to recall what member sells an entire kit for making CS. I believe the generator has an automatic stirrer. As I recall, the price is quite reasonable. I seem to also recall at least a couple of times that the price was reduced for a limited time for list members. (?) Thanks in advance for any assistance with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Catherine; One of the best, I believe: http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Here's the other top contender, IMNSHO: http://www.silvergen.com/ Both these are about as complete as you can get. Take care, Malcolm At 07:31 PM 12/28/02 -0800, you wrote: Dear Group, I'm trying to recall what member sells an entire kit for making CS. I believe the generator has an automatic stirrer. As I recall, the price is quite reasonable. I seem to also recall at least a couple of times that the price was reduced for a limited time for list members. (?) Thanks in advance for any assistance with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA question about CS and Chlorine
Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
Marshalee, (a language purist) When I was a child, I thought Alzheimer was pronounced old timers, I never saw the spelling till I was older. All I ever did, was here the word not see it, and since it seemed to affect the elderly most of the time thats the way it stuck in my mind till I was 18. Ignorance is bliss. Daniel On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:20:27 -0700 Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net writes: Musta forgot...my Meanderthall upbringin in Alzheimer Arkansas [a real place] Ken At 07:40 AM 6/29/01 -0600, you wrote: Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Ken Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to know it is Lyme, not Lymes Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor. Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like ts and not like an English z? And it is Neander-tall not Neander-thal even though it`s spelled that way. Arrgh... Marshalee, (a language purist) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
Musta forgot...my Meanderthall upbringin in Alzheimer Arkansas [a real place] Ken At 07:40 AM 6/29/01 -0600, you wrote: Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Ken Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to know it is Lyme, not Lymes Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor. Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like ts and not like an English z? And it is Neander-tall not Neander-thal even though it`s spelled that way. Arrgh... Marshalee, (a language purist) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Ken Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to know it is Lyme, not Lymes Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor. Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like ts and not like an English z? And it is Neander-tall not Neander-thal even though it`s spelled that way. Arrgh... Marshalee, (a language purist) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
The very small tick may or may not be a deer tick. Adult deer ticks are about an 8th inch. The tick 'nymph' or what we call a 'seed tick' is very small. It's the same tick in a different stage of it's life cycle. Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Also be aware of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which can kill ya pretty quick. I always check for ticks several times after walking in the woods. There's something that we locals call tic paranoia, lasting hours to days, where every little tickle promotes nudity and inspection. [more fun in mixed company :-)] If a dog gets a tick in its ear, the dog can be paralyzed till it's pulled out. If the tick is allowed to drop off, you'll have Sagans [billions and billions] of ticks around...starting with seed ticks. I don't know if dogs get or carry Lymes disease but it's a good idea to de-tick them every day. As a former forestry worker, I've had ticks on me that were so thick that the blue on my jeans was not visible and they had to be scraped off with a knife before they dug in. WAY FREAKY!!! Fun with ticks... They can run around on the bottom of a jar full of methonol for a long time. Lots of fun to touch with a butane pocket torch. Sometimes they'll imitate a ballistic missile! Ready, aim, FIRE pop! Place ticks on the burner of a kerosene lamp and watch them do laps! Pull off their legs on one side and watch them walk in circles. Guinea hens and chickens love ticks...for supper. Hey, what's that little spot??? Oh a Freckle whew! Ken At 07:38 AM 6/29/01 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes: bj: CSA question of ticks and lyme Date: 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST From: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) Reply-to: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com (silver list) Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog. After we got back we found a tick on the dog. Later that day while shopping a tick fell off me. After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her. The next day I found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, after I got home, I found two more on me. Except for the first one they all had a hold of me and were digging in. The clothes I was wearing were not even with me in Sacramento.The questions are: Where were those ticks for three days? Do all ticks carry lyme? If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for? My daughter was concerned as there apparently are ticks around her place this year. I told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have had to deal with lyme. Thank you Joanne I am posting this to both lists Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I may be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your body during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no way to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter of an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria. Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body, there is no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious bacteria, is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces it to regurgitate bacterial containing fluids into your bloodstream. I would be VERY cautious about removing a tick. If fact, have an expert do it. As far as your pets are concerned, my vet once told me it's far safer to allow them to fall off rather then attempt to pull them off yourself. If you are infected with Lyme bacteria, a bulls-eye shaped redness MAY appear around the bite. Check with your doctor to get further help. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
Thank you for the tick-lyme info. I will forward it to my daughter. I think they will probably walk someplace else...Ken your story about all the ticks on you was gross...yuck..I can't imagine being covered with that many ticks... Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme The very small tick may or may not be a deer tick. Adult deer ticks are about an 8th inch. The tick 'nymph' or what we call a 'seed tick' is very small. It's the same tick in a different stage of it's life cycle. Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Also be aware of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which can kill ya pretty quick. I always check for ticks several times after walking in the woods. There's something that we locals call tic paranoia, lasting hours to days, where every little tickle promotes nudity and inspection. [more fun in mixed company :-)] If a dog gets a tick in its ear, the dog can be paralyzed till it's pulled out. If the tick is allowed to drop off, you'll have Sagans [billions and billions] of ticks around...starting with seed ticks. I don't know if dogs get or carry Lymes disease but it's a good idea to de-tick them every day. As a former forestry worker, I've had ticks on me that were so thick that the blue on my jeans was not visible and they had to be scraped off with a knife before they dug in. WAY FREAKY!!! Fun with ticks... They can run around on the bottom of a jar full of methonol for a long time. Lots of fun to touch with a butane pocket torch. Sometimes they'll imitate a ballistic missile! Ready, aim, FIRE pop! Place ticks on the burner of a kerosene lamp and watch them do laps! Pull off their legs on one side and watch them walk in circles. Guinea hens and chickens love ticks...for supper. Hey, what's that little spot??? Oh a Freckle whew! Ken At 07:38 AM 6/29/01 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes: bj: CSA question of ticks and lyme Date: 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST From: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) Reply-to: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com (silver list) Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog. After we got back we found a tick on the dog. Later that day while shopping a tick fell off me. After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her. The next day I found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, after I got home, I found two more on me. Except for the first one they all had a hold of me and were digging in. The clothes I was wearing were not even with me in Sacramento.The questions are: Where were those ticks for three days? Do all ticks carry lyme? If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for? My daughter was concerned as there apparently are ticks around her place this year. I told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have had to deal with lyme. Thank you Joanne I am posting this to both lists Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I may be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your body during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no way to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter of an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria. Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body, there is no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious bacteria, is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces it to regurgitate bacterial containing fluids into your bloodstream. I would be VERY cautious about removing a tick. If fact, have an expert do it. As far as your pets are concerned, my vet once told me it's far safer to allow them to fall off rather then attempt to pull them off yourself. If you are infected with Lyme bacteria, a bulls-eye shaped redness MAY appear around the bite. Check with your doctor to get further help. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ
CSA question of ticks and lyme
Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog. After we got back we found a tick on the dog. Later that day while shopping a tick fell off me. After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her. The next day I found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, after I got home, I found two more on me. Except for the first one they all had a hold of me and were digging in. The clothes I was wearing were not even with me in Sacramento.The questions are: Where were those ticks for three days? Do all ticks carry lyme? If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for? My daughter was concerned as there apparently are ticks around her place this year. I told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have had to deal with lyme. Thank you Joanne I am posting this to both lists
CSA Question
I have a stupid question. What is MSM? I hear a lot of people reference it, but what does the acronym stand for? Thanks Margie Bander Database Administration Team 314-694-4947 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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In a message dated 7/1/99 10:26:18 AM Central Daylight Time, margie.f.ban...@stl.monsanto.com writes: have a stupid question. What is MSM? I hear a lot of people reference it, but what does the acronym stand for? Thanks Margie Bander Database Administration Team 314-694-4947 http://www.oralchelation.com/msm/msm0.htm edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
