Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:13:58 PM, MAU wrote: M Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, M whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or M trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you M somehow review them. There are always false positives and M false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Agreed. However, since July 10, 2003 I've received 473 e-mails classified as spam. I do review them before deleting them, but it's easy to lose one in the manual review effort. When you have an e-mail like mine that has been around on Usenet the Internet since 1994 every spam list in the world has me on their list. So, reeling this back around to TB!, that is my reason for putting the Known filter first. M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) There are spams that are being correctly identified as spam by POPFile, but TB!'s Known filter is putting them in my Known folder. If I knew what the logic/algorithm for the Known filter, I'd be better able to debug the issue. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:54:23 PM, Allie wrote: A This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD A HORSE!! I wasn't trying to get a POPFile/SpamPal battle going. What I'm trying to do is learn what the logic/algorithm is that TB! uses for the Known filter. If that could be answered, I'd appreciate it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I never make mistakes. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, Alexander wrote: A 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message A DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? A You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Thank you! I'm glad someone could translate my request into something simply stated. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Alexander, What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Ah, that? I didn't know he was asking that ;-) It's the Sender's address. At least that is what the Known filter says if you open Sorting Office and select it: ,- [ ] | The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by presence of the | sender's address in your address book. `- And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Alexander, 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd prefer you don't quote my e-mail address in the body. Thanks, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 3:56pm -0400, MAU wrote: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bill, @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxW3pTnkJKuSnc2gEQIHRQCgvqCz3zu80e5GuDqmj0k4cIhy+WwAnjZG 6XtQMmVGnV5hWQEMyHnbXKWc =rVyA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 4:37pm -0400, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? I'v mentioned this there mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Nobody added new info. But MAU implied (with his smiley) this was straight forward. Perhaps he'll enlighten us. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Bill, Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? Not rally, I didn't read them all. I didn't even count them like you did. I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? I think you are correct. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:22:53 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 04:22 +0700 GMT), Dave Kennedy wrote: So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. Thanks for helping my limited phantasy to reach new heights. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:01:34 PM, Thomas wrote: T I have a question to those who have their own address in their T AB: What is the reason? My reasons are pretty simple. I have many mail groups - tennis team, swim team board, basketball board, school parents, etc. (Hmmm. There's a theme there...) Reason 1: If I send a mail to one of these groups - say the basketball executive board, I want to get it as well since I save related messages in a separate folder. Reason 2: The e-mail addresses in these groups are shared to others. I don't want to have to remember to add myself to the list when I send it out to the others that want the e-mails in that group. I use the member of groups feature in the AB heavily. Right now, I have about 15 groups and include myself as a member of about 10 of them. Most of the ones that I don't are pretty much dead groups that I don't use any more and leave out there for posterity. (Computers are really awful for packrats!) Reason 3: Including myself in the group also makes it easy to confirm that I've included everyone. I.e. 8 kids on the basketball team, including my son, there should be 8 e-mail addresses in the list. If I've only got 7, I've forgotten a family. Again, YMMV. This has worked well for me for years. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:22pm -0400, Dave Kennedy wrote: Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. That's right, back in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote to you: , | It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one | of the sender fields, such as Return-Path. ` So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. As I said in that same email: ,--- | Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT | being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB. `--- The above, of course, assumes it's placed near the bottom of your filters and it moves mail to a known type folder. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 7:01pm -0400, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. For both BCCing and test mails to myself. I don't like auto complete turned on. It's much easier to simply type 'me'. I also don't agree that auto completion is faster that AB search. The former will find every address - even those only used once. AB search only finds those in the AB. So typing johnctrl= will usually get the right address faster than type john and waiting for completion, then searching through all the matches. I know auto complete can be restricted, but got the impression that you don't restrict it. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic filtering in conjunction with the address book? The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 8:49:16 AM, you wrote: DK What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic filtering in DK conjunction with the address book? DK The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking DK through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing DK it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the DK Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. It is an easy way to get to the email that you are getting from the people you correspond with regularly enough to have put them in your address book. The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my address book for that very reason sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
15-Jul-2003 15:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The related problem is some POPFile identified spam Just a thought about combined measures... I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 12:52:27 PM, MikeD wrote: M Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 8:49:16 AM, Dave K wrote: DK What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic DK filtering in conjunction with the address book? M The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and M they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, M that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as M clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my M address book for that very reason sigh I'm not sure that is the case. I remember the thread about this a couple of weeks ago. My situation seems different. I can look at the headers via F9 and see that the To: is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the From: is fairly random. A recent example is [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The iron.he.net is the actual SMTP server DNS name that my muscle.net domain uses. I have received many other spams that set the To: address to my e-mail, but TB! doesn't route those to Inbox-Known, hence my question about the algorithm/logic for the filtering for Inbox-Known. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello neurowerx, you wrote: I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). I just figured out that you can right-click the SpamPal tray icon and select plug-in and then choose Bayesian Filter and you are provided with an easy to use interface for reclassifying emails. All this time I've been Saving the erring e-mail to a special folder, then opening SpamPal, then clicking on plug-ins, then Bayesian, then properties then import messages That was the only reason I was using PopFile, was that I thought it was easier to train it. But imagine my surprise... Now I have to say, without a doubt, that SpamPal is better than PopFile. SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Tue 15-Jul-03 12:52pm -0400, MikeD wrote: The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my address book for that very reason sigh It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one of the sender fields, such as Return-Path. Taking your address out of the address book is a bit extreme. A possibly better approach is to disable the Known filter. Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the Known filter. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). Because, for example in my case, I'm getting a 99.71 accuracy with POPFile alone which, as you probably know, just does Bayesian classification. I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello John, But imagine my surprise... Now I have to say, without a doubt, that SpamPal is better than PopFile. Can I say that I doubt it? :-) SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. Can SpamPal do much better than 99,71% accuracy? I doubt it, because even 100% isn't that much more ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, MAU wrote: M Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam M by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the M Known filter. I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I don't want to lose those messages. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
15-Jul-2003 21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past. -- Thomas Jefferson Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 6:38 PM, neurowerx wrote: I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). I use Popfile alone because it *doesn't* use DNS blacklists. I have philosophical issues with DNS blacklists. And, at 99% + accuracy, Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) -- Best Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. I don't teach IPs to POPFile. It learns by itself. The only thing I tell POPFile is if a message it has classified as spam and it isn't, or the other way around. And with 99,71% accuracy this happens very infrequently. I think it was two days ago I told POPFile that a message was not spam. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:19 PM, you wrote: SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. M Can SpamPal do much better than 99,71% accuracy? I doubt it, because M even 100% isn't that much more ;-) well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. I'll let comcast deal with the spam, and TB filters. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, MAU wrote: M Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam M by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the M Known filter. DK I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get DK e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I DK don't want to lose those messages. ...but that defeats the purpose of training material. Within popfile, one can create magnets to force a classification, or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email detection. WL DK -- DK Dave Kennedy DK DK Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: DK http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I don't want to lose those messages. Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you somehow review them. There are always false positives and false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some spam messages leaking through as you say in your original post. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
15-Jul-2003 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. I'd say that depends on how frequently you receive mail from the same persons, and spampal has a chance to auto-whitelist the corresponding address. Mail retrieval is only slow for addresses that need to be checked against the DNSBLs. If you're received mail from new addresses all the time, it will be slow, and spampal is not the best solution, I agree. OTOH - I am on not on a dial-up connection and don't care whether my mail retrieval is fast or slow. In fact, I don't even notice it. Whether spampal takes 1 or 30 seconds to process a single email, TB just runs and periodically checks for mails, and when its there, its there. :-) -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) If there is hope for men, it is because we are animals. -- Robert Ardrey Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:19 PM, you wrote: nwd 15-Jul-2003 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. nwd I'd say that depends on how frequently you receive mail from the same nwd persons, and spampal has a chance to auto-whitelist the corresponding nwd address. Mail retrieval is only slow for addresses that need to be checked nwd against the DNSBLs. If you're received mail from new addresses all the nwd time, it will be slow, and spampal is not the best solution, I agree. either I have my filters setup wrong, or all the lists I'm on make it so spampal DOES have to check, because mail always seemed slow. nwd OTOH - I am on not on a dial-up connection and don't care whether my mail nwd retrieval is fast or slow. In fact, I don't even notice it. Whether spampal nwd takes 1 or 30 seconds to process a single email, TB just runs and nwd periodically checks for mails, and when its there, its there. :-) I'm on cablemodem myself, but I don't keep TB running all the time, so when I fire it up, it does take some time to process the mail. I would constantly get mail with **SPAM** in the header, reply, and forget to take that out of the subject! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Terry, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:03:03 PM, you wrote: T I use Popfile alone because it *doesn't* use DNS blacklists. I have T philosophical issues with DNS blacklists. And, at 99% + accuracy, T Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) Moderator This is not directed at Terry, but the thread in general. We're kinda getting OT with this thread. Please move it to TBOT. Thanks. /Moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:32:42 PM, you wrote: nwd 15-Jul-2003 21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. nwd Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than nwd popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. The problem with 'black lists' is that inevitably there are a lot of people on them that should not be. I maintain a list server and I can tell you that several of us (I talk with other list managers) get black listed every other month or so for various reasons, but mostly because the list maintainers do not do due diligence when someone says they got spamed from such and so address. So I will never use a black list to determine spam. So far I am still trying to get something bayesian that will work for me. I have hopes for the new bayesian plug-in for TB. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello MAU, you wrote: Can I say that I doubt it? :-) Yes, you can, but have you tried SpamPal? I can honestly say I have used both! And Popfile's stats will fool you, believe me I know, I used Popfile. Popfile uses only Bayesian, SpamPal uses a combination of effective spam fighting techniques. SpamPal is still the best! -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Terry, you wrote: And, at 99% + accuracy, Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) This is always the main point that Popfile users stick too. I too (although losing many good emails) was assured by Popfile itself that it was doing such a good job why it kept telling me that it was doing better than 98% accuracy. LOL I wonder how many would stay with Popfile if they done away with this most inaccurate part of the program? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello Paul, you wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work LOL, yeaH right I guess not all software is idiot-proof -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello MikeD, you wrote: The problem with 'black lists' is that inevitably there are a lot of people on them that should not be. Did you know that you can un-check this feature from SpamPal if you do not wish to use it? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello John, you wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work LOL, yeaH right I guess not all software is idiot-proof whoops I thought you were saying that it didn't work. I see you said not because it didn't work My Appologies! -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
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Re: BCC to this address on Account level (was: UnexpectedBehavior of Known Filter)
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, at 12:19:34 [GMT +0700] tbudl wrote: TF On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:35:44 -0500 GMT (28/06/03, 22:35 +0700 GMT), TF Greg Strong wrote: I want to keep running dialog of all email correspondence. I think having incorporated into the interface would make it more user friendly. TF I have a seconder! :-) I'm not sure if I'm understanding this correctly. But if I am then TB! already does this (doesn't it)! I have one folder (well several actually) and all outgoing incoming email go to that one folder - it happens to be my incoming folder but it could just as easily be a common folder. ( in hindsight I think I would have preferred to use a common folder... but anyway I digress!) I have filters setup to send email to and from one person to one folder and then that folder is viewed using threads. That way I can easily see how an email conversation has developed. Please correct me if I have misunderstood the request. -- bfn ~kristina __ Composed on 30/06/2003 at 14:43 using The Bat Ver 1.62r Attachments = none Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BCC to this address on Account level (was: UnexpectedBehavior of Known Filter)
Hello kristina, On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:46:53 +0100 GMT (30/06/03, 20:46 +0700 GMT), kristina wrote: I'm not sure if I'm understanding this correctly. But if I am then TB! already does this (doesn't it)! No. ;-) I have one folder (well several actually) and all outgoing incoming email go to that one folder - it happens to be my incoming folder but it could just as easily be a common folder. ( in hindsight I think I would have preferred to use a common folder... but anyway I digress!) I have filters setup to send email to and from one person to one folder and then that folder is viewed using threads. That way I can easily see how an email conversation has developed. The purpose of BCC'ing oneself is that if you send messages from another computer (in the office, for example), you may still want to have the complete conversation on your main (home) computer. Therefore, you need to actually download the messages you sent out with the office computer onto your home computer, and this is only possible if they are in the inbox of your ISP account. This is achieved by BCC'ing yourself. If you use only one computer, you will have no need to BCC to yourself. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly rent it for a couple of hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
I bcc: myself all the time. Doesn't everybody? TF I used to. Namely when I was replying to private mails while I was in TF the office; when I bcc'ed myself, I could download my replies at home TF as well. I started this practice when I was still using Netscape Mail, TF and that client has a nice option: Automatically send a copy of each TF message to this address: In TB, I have to add the BCC macro to TF each template. I wish I could activate such a feature on Account TF level, as I could in Netscape. TF Any seconders? Nah. It's pretty easy to add it as a macro in your 3 basic templates. I bcc: myself because I frequently get into back and forth discussions and I like seeing my messages in the inbox, chronologically, with every one else's responses. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Hello Coyle306, On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:46:01 -0400 GMT (28/06/03, 17:46 +0700 GMT), Coyle306 wrote: TF In TB, I have to add the BCC macro to each template. I wish I TF could activate such a feature on Account level, as I could in TF Netscape. TF Any seconders? Nah. It's pretty easy to add it as a macro in your 3 basic templates. But. If you use AB templates (which I do a lot), you have to add it to every single template. Well, I did this when I set them up, but I still thought it would be easier on account level. But it is not really a very important point. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der Brite gibt sein Geld pfundweise aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, at 18:45:10 GMT +0700 (6/28/2003, 6:45 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: But. If you use AB templates (which I do a lot), you have to add it to every single template. Well, I did this when I set them up, but I still thought it would be easier on account level. Yes. But it is not really a very important point. ;-) I think so. I have 3 main email accounts. One is for mail lists such as this one. The second is for personal email. The last is for my university account. BCC on mail list account is not needed because it should be returned. On the other hand the personal account with a BCC at the account level would be nice because simple setup and only 1 set of filters on the inbound side. On the university account I set up BCC in new and reply templates at the account level. I want to keep running dialog of all email correspondence. I think having incorporated into the interface would make it more user friendly. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
On Fri 27-Jun-03 11:06pm -0400, Mark Wieder wrote: BM I have AutoCompletion turned BM off. I only occasionally use local delivery (I use Alt-N to get me BM to the setting page, so Alt-NAenter toggles it) - and I often like BM to edit the outbox for testing. Maybe I'm being dense today (it's been a long day), but I don't see how having your own address in the AB facilitates any of this. Nah, I just wasn't clear in the 1st sentence and wrong in the 2nd. Without AutoCompletion turned on, wouldn't one need to type in their email address each time (w/o using the AB)? My second sentence was apparently based on a bad test. I have deferred delivery on. Local delivery appeared to be ignoring that setting - I can't duplicate that behavior today in either 1.62r or the current beta. I don't keep local delivery on because I'm the only user, on my network, using TB. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Coyle306- Thursday, June 26, 2003, 3:13:24 PM, you wrote: snippage happens C spammer had inserted _my address_, which _is_ in my address book. Of course, at this point I suppose I should bring up the question of why your own address is in your address book? If it weren't then the correct filtering event would have occurred... -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Hello Mark, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 11:34:52 PM, you wrote: MW Of course, at this point I suppose I should bring up the question of MW why your own address is in your address book? If it weren't then the MW correct filtering event would have occurred... well I have to admit i send stuff to myself all the time... for lots of weird reasons... so this is not unusual! :) -- Best regards, alistsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
On Fri 27-Jun-03 2:34am -0400, Mark Wieder wrote: Of course, at this point I suppose I should bring up the question of why your own address is in your address book? If it weren't then the correct filtering event would have occurred... Well I have to admit that I have my address in my Family group of the AB - the handle is 'me' :-) I use it's templates for testing and uncheck them to test the Family group templates. I bet it's not that uncommon. It's best, IMHO, to avoid the known filter. If one wants to check for people in the address book - but not one's own address, one can use a normal filter for that and choose the destination (instead of no choice but Inbox-Known). -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
On Fri 27-Jun-03 1:23am -0400, Dave Kennedy wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:54 PM, Bill wrote: I don't like the Know filter at all and don't use it because of its bugs on replying from Inbox-Known. What bugs? There's an inconvenience (no folder templates). The bugs are related. (1) It fails to use the account templates like other folders that don't override them. (2) If the sender is not in any AB group, the group of the To field is used - this could be embarrassing :-) There's really no need to use Inbox-Known. It much more powerful to use a normal filter than the restrictive known filter - prossibly an artifact of days before normal filters could do AB filtering. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
MW Of course, at this point I suppose I should bring up the question of MW why your own address is in your address book? If it weren't then the MW correct filtering event would have occurred... I bcc: myself all the time. Doesn't everybody? I appreciate the responses on this subject, and I think I'll follow the advice to use a normal filter. Thanks to everybody. Chris Coyle Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Bill- I test-send myself stuff all the time, too, but I never considered putting myself in the AB. Since I have local delivery turned on, sending mail to my local accounts is instantaneous. Then I have some external webmail accounts so I can see the kludges. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
On Fri 27-Jun-03 1:09pm -0400, Mark Wieder wrote: I test-send myself stuff all the time, too, but I never considered putting myself in the AB. Since I have local delivery turned on, sending mail to my local accounts is instantaneous. Then I have some external webmail accounts so I can see the kludges. We all work a little differently, Mark. I have AutoCompletion turned off. I only occasionally use local delivery (I use Alt-N to get me to the setting page, so Alt-NAenter toggles it) - and I often like to edit the outbox for testing. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Hello Coyle306, On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:07:12 -0400 GMT (27/06/03, 18:07 +0700 GMT), Coyle306 wrote: I bcc: myself all the time. Doesn't everybody? I used to. Namely when I was replying to private mails while I was in the office; when I bcc'ed myself, I could download my replies at home as well. I started this practice when I was still using Netscape Mail, and that client has a nice option: Automatically send a copy of each message to this address: In TB, I have to add the BCC macro to each template. I wish I could activate such a feature on Account level, as I could in Netscape. Any seconders? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Many people quit looking for work when they find a job. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Bill- Friday, June 27, 2003, 12:21:56 PM, you wrote: BM We all work a little differently, Mark. grin BM I have AutoCompletion turned BM off. I only occasionally use local delivery (I use Alt-N to get me BM to the setting page, so Alt-NAenter toggles it) - and I often like BM to edit the outbox for testing. Maybe I'm being dense today (it's been a long day), but I don't see how having your own address in the AB facilitates any of this. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
I'm using 1.63 Beta 11 with Windows 98. I have the Known filter activated, and I have it move knowns to a sub-folder of the Inbox, Inbox\Known. Otherwise, they go to another sub-folder of the Inbox, Inbox\Unknown. Worked great until I received a spam, in Inbox\Known, from someone who was definitely not in my address book. Here are the headers: == Received: from iafitim [216.247.132.30] by mail.henrybeaver.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A81FE8D10056; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:21:19 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Increase your sizelo X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:17:48 -0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_003_0057_XPOCVLVJ.UQFTKQVS X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 346621659 Status: U == All I could think of was that the spammer's sticking _my_ address in the Reply-To: and/or the X-RCPT-TO: somehow fooled the Known filter, since _my_ address was in my address book. Sure enough, when I deleted my address from the address book, TB stopped sending it to Inbox\Known, and put it in Inbox\Unknown. Seems to me it shouldn't work that way. Chris Coyle Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
Hello Coyle306, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 6:07:42 AM, you wrote: C All I could think of was that the spammer's sticking _my_ address in C the Reply-To: and/or the X-RCPT-TO: somehow fooled the Known C filter, since _my_ address was in my address book. C Sure enough, when I deleted my address from the address book, TB C stopped sending it to Inbox\Known, and put it in Inbox\Unknown. C Seems to me it shouldn't work that way. Hmmm ... what should not work which way? It seems to me that if an email is received with a 'from address' that is in your address book it should be sent to the 'known' box. Just out of curiosity ... what would you expect to work differently? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
MM Hmmm ... what should not work which way? It seems to me that if an MM email is received with a 'from address' that is in your address MM book it should be sent to the 'known' box. Just out of curiosity MM ... what would you expect to work differently? No. That's my point, it _wasn't_ received with a 'from address' that was in my address book. It was received with a 'from address' that _was not_ in my AB. Quoting from the Sorting Office window: The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by the presence of the _sender's address_ in your address book (My emphasis) It appears to me that the Known filter was not triggering just on the sender's address - the From: field - but also on the Reply-To: and/or X-RCPT-TO: field in the spam's header, into which the spammer had inserted _my address_, which _is_ in my address book. The Known filter should trigger _only_ on the From: field, not on any other field in the header, right? Otherwise, a spammer - or any unknown - could stick a recipient's address in another header field and defeat the filter (assuming the recipient has his own address in his AB). Or, is the Known filter intended to trigger whenever an address in one's address book is _anywhere_ in the incoming headers? Chris Coyle Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unexpected Behavior of Known Filter
On Thu 26-Jun-03 6:13pm -0400, Coyle306 wrote: Quoting from the Sorting Office window: The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by the presence of the _sender's address_ in your address book (My emphasis) Right - notice that it does not say From address - it says Sender which is more than just the From address. It appears to me that the Known filter was not triggering just on the sender's address - the From: field - but also on the Reply-To: and/or X-RCPT-TO: field in the spam's header, into which the spammer had inserted _my address_, which _is_ in my address book. It appears to use the same logic as used by the Sender in the Filter strings. That is, it checks the From, Sender and Reply-To fields. I ran a test and could not confirm your claim that it also checks the X-RCPT-TO field (note: I did this check using the Sender in the filtering strings). The Known filter should trigger _only_ on the From: field, not on any other field in the header, right? Otherwise, a spammer - or any unknown - could stick a recipient's address in another header field and defeat the filter (assuming the recipient has his own address in his AB). I don't like the Know filter at all and don't use it because of its bugs on replying from Inbox-Known. However, I find the current behavior of the filtering strings using Sender to be quite useful. Or, is the Known filter intended to trigger whenever an address in one's address book is _anywhere_ in the incoming headers? Can you demonstrate that behavior? Simply send yourself an email without your address in the From, To, Reply-To or Sender fields. Put it in a X-Test field. Let us know if you're right. If you can't do that through your ISP, simply copy and modify an existing email, place it in your inbox and manually refilter your inbox. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Known filter question
Hello TBUDL listers, Since joining this list (only a couple of weeks ago) I have learnt heaps, and my only regret is not subscribing sooner..! Also since joining I have learnt what the Known folder is for... - before I wasn't really sure so didn't investigate (more fool me!) So I am now taking advantage of the Known folder, previously I had all my filters working like this incoming mail if from someone on a filter gets filtered as follows: inbox/name of person (this can sometimes be 2 or 3 deep) Since enabling the Known filter, everything does get filtered into the Known box, but it doesn't carry on, although I have ticked continue processing with other filters. But it isn't happening. (I have been and changed all the iterations of inbox to $KNOWN$) I'm sure its something obvious that I'm missing and am hoping that someone can help. I love this program and since joining this list I feel like I have a brand new program to play with!! -- bfn ~kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] kfxdesign.net __ Composed on 14/02/2003 at 10:15 using The Bat Ver 1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter question
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Kristina [K] wrote:'
K Since enabling the Known filter, everything does get filtered into
K the Known box, but it doesn't carry on, although I have ticked
K continue processing with other filters.
K But it isn't happening. (I have been and changed all the iterations
K of inbox to $KNOWN$)
K I'm sure its something obvious that I'm missing and am hoping that
K someone can help.
For messages to continue being processed with other filters, they
cannot be moved by a filter to another folder. They have to remain in
the INBOX to continue being processed. In your case, your Inbox-Known
filter is moving the messages to the Inbox-Known folder. When a
filter match occurs, all of the filters actions are done on the
message before any further processing on the message occurs.
To get things working the way you wish, I suggest using the INBOX as
your Inbox-Known folder, deactivate the Inbox-Known filter, and
creating a new incoming filter with the following:
Destination Folder: Inbox
String: .
Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes
Options:
Continue processing with other filters.
Advanced:
Enable 'Addresses must be listed in Address book:'
Items: Sender
You have just manually created a filter that basically does what the
Inbox-Known filter does.
K I love this program and since joining this list I feel like I have a
K brand new program to play with!!
This is good to hear. :) There's really a whole lot to TB!'s
usefulness.
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Re: Known filter question
Hello Allie, On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 at 06:19:52[GMT -0500](which was 11:19 where I live) you wrote: To get things working the way you wish, I suggest using the INBOX as your Inbox-Known folder, deactivate the Inbox-Known filter, and creating a new incoming filter with the following: Destination Folder: Inbox String: . Location: Kludges Presence: Yes Options: Continue processing with other filters. Advanced: Enable 'Addresses must be listed in Address book:' Items: Sender You have just manually created a filter that basically does what the Inbox-Known filter does. I've often wondered at the usefulness of the Known folder and, noticing that you can only choose one folder to send messages to, I've not been able to see what use it has. Now you say that you should create a different filter and not use known. All my messages go to the inbox anyway so why create a filter to send them there? Oh heck it's getting late and it's been a long day. It's just that, at the top of the Known filter, it says it will allow you to separate incoming mail by address but how can that be done if only one folder can be selected? -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/6 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter question
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Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW I've often wondered at the usefulness of the Known folder and,
RW noticing that you can only choose one folder to send messages to, I've
RW not been able to see what use it has. Now you say that you should
RW create a different filter and not use known. All my messages go to
RW the inbox anyway so why create a filter to send them there?
As a part of spam filtering.
RW Oh heck it's getting late and it's been a long day. It's just that, at
RW the top of the Known filter, it says it will allow you to separate
RW incoming mail by address but how can that be done if only one folder
RW can be selected?
I wonder about the usefulness of the filter myself. I guess it's a
means of making such a filtering method more apparent to the passing
user. However, an experienced user will likely not need it and will
more likely be impeded by it's short-comings.
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Re: Known filter question
Hello Allie, On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 at 19:15:22[GMT -0500](which was 00:15 where I live) you wrote: As a part of spam filtering. Ah, Spampal works a treat for me thanks. I wonder about the usefulness of the filter myself. I guess it's a means of making such a filtering method more apparent to the passing user. However, an experienced user will likely not need it and will more likely be impeded by it's short-comings. So I'm not that stupid after all. I'll just stick with my filters that work very well thanks :) -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/6 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter question
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I use a combination of both to help with dealing with false
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I started using SpamPal since most of my spam is now addressed
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Re: Known filter question
Hello Allie, On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:15:22 -0500 GMT (15/02/03, 07:15 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: I wonder about the usefulness of the filter myself. I guess it's a means of making such a filtering method more apparent to the passing user. However, an experienced user will likely not need it and will more likely be impeded by it's short-comings. I use it. The problem is that it works only for incoming mail, and I have to set up another filter for outgoing mail to filter into the same folder (I always like to keep corresponsdence togther as threads). And yes, it helps indentifying spam, it is the last filter. Anything incoming that was not filtered into other folders by now, will be sent to Known, and what remains in the Inbox is almost exclusively spam. I am not hampered by any short-comings here. It is a simple and straight-forward thing. What should I be missing? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. As of 1992, they'll be called European Economic Community fries. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Known filter renaming
Hello Wolffe, Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 10:55:22 PM, you wrote: W when I zapped mine, I cheated to get it back .. I created a new W (dummy) account then copy and pasted the known from there to the W old account. Then deleted the dummy account. Yes, it works! Thanks a lot. I did it other way though. I copied (Ctrl+C) filter and pasted it into blank text document. Then I changed The Name: string to Known and pasted it back to the account. The Bat! just asked if I wanted to replace the current Known filter. This way you can name it as you wish. I think the matter is in the Action: faoIsKnown string of the filter. But idea was yours, so thank again. By the way, yesterday the bug [The Bat 0001182]: Name KNOWN of Known filter can be changed in Sorting Office was introduced: The following NEW bug has been ADDED. === https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1182 === Reporter: marek Handler: === Project:The Bat Bug ID: 0001182 Category: Interface Reproducibility:always Severity: trivial Priority: normal Status: new === Date Submitted: 04 Feb 2003 19:36 CST Last Modified: 04 Feb 2003 19:36 CST === Summary:Name KNOWN of Known filter can be changed in Sorting Office Description: Open Sorting Office, select any incoming filter and click to Name field in Rule section. When You select KNOWN filter now, name KNOWN is changed to name of previously selected filter. === But now it is not a problem anymore, I hope :) -- Artemich Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Known filter renaming
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 4:43:11 PM, you wrote: TF I am not sure, but I think you need to name it $Known$ (without TF quotes). It is not the solution :( Sad, but true. Anyway thanks. -- Best regards, Artemichmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Known filter renaming
Hi, When I created a new filer I somehow managed to rename Known filter. Since then I can't rename it back to the original (or whatever you like) name. Just clicking and typing a new name doesn't help. Does anybody know how to rename this filter back? Tanks in advance. -- Artiom Koren Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter renaming
Hello Artemich, On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:58:53 +0100 GMT (05/02/03, 18:58 +0700 GMT), Artemich wrote: When I created a new filer I somehow managed to rename Known filter. Since then I can't rename it back to the original (or whatever you like) name. Just clicking and typing a new name doesn't help. Does anybody know how to rename this filter back? I am not sure, but I think you need to name it $Known$ (without quotes). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. - THE HOTEL HAS BOWLING ALLEYS, TENNIS COURTS, COMFORTABLE BEDS, AND OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter renaming
On Wednesday, February 05, 2003 Artemich stated: A Hi, A When I created a new filer I somehow managed to rename Known filter. A Since then I can't rename it back to the original (or whatever you A like) name. Just clicking and typing a new name doesn't help. A Does anybody know how to rename this filter back? A Tanks in advance. when I zapped mine, I cheated to get it back .. I created a new (dummy) account then copy and pasted the known from there to the old account. Then deleted the dummy account. TB: almost as good as bottled beer \\' Running TB! version 1.63 Beta/4 under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III wtih 512mb Ram Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Index known - how to create?
Apologies for asking a question that I know has been asked before (I can't find the answer in my archives), but how do I *create* the index known folder? I deleted it when the feature was first introduced, but now I'd quite like to get it back. Also, is it possible to modify the Known filter so that it plays a sound when a new mail arrives in that box? I know how to do it on other filters but it doesn't seem obvious on that one. Thanks in advance for any replies. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Index known - how to create?
Hallo Tim, On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:17:28 +GMT (25-11-02, 18:17 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: TF how do I *create* the index known folder? I suppose you mean 'Inbox - Known' Create a new folder, call it $KNOWN$ and you're done. TF Also, is it possible to modify the Known filter so that it plays TF a sound when a new mail arrives in that box? Nope! You can create a new filter that does the same as the known-filter, but also plays a sound. When you're doing that, you can disable the known-filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Index known - how to create?
ON Monday, November 25, 2002, 6:17:28 PM, you wrote: TF Apologies for asking a question that I know has been asked before (I TF can't find the answer in my archives), but how do I *create* the index TF known folder? I deleted it when the feature was first introduced, but TF now I'd quite like to get it back. Hi Tim, Isn't it just a mattar of checking the box This rule is active? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By the time a man can afford to lose a golf ball, he can't hit it that far. Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Index known - how to create?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten [RO] wrote:' RO Nope! You can create a new filter that does the same as the RO known-filter, but also plays a sound. When you're doing that, RO you can disable the known-filter. It's better to configure the folder to make its own sound via the folders properties and Sound tab. The filter way will result in the sound being made for each message that matches the filter. With the folder configured to make the sound, the sound will be made only once, each time new messages are filtered to it. -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Index known - how to create?
ON Monday, November 25, 2002, 7:04:56 PM, you wrote: ACM The filter way will result in the sound being made for each message ACM that matches the filter. With the folder configured to make the ACM sound, the sound will be made only once, each time new messages are ACM filtered to it. Hi Allie, Isn't the this the same: - A sound for each msg filtered into the folder - A sound for each msg arriving in the folder As far as I can see the difference is that you might have more then one filter filtering into this folder. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= At night, a golfer can program her mind with great expectations. But she must throw them away when she steps onto the first tee. Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Index known - how to create?
Hi Allie, on Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:04:56 -0500GMT (25.11.02, 19:04 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ACM It's better to configure the folder to make its own sound via the ACM folders properties and Sound tab. ACM The filter way will result in the sound being made for each message ACM that matches the filter. With the folder configured to make the ACM sound, the sound will be made only once, each time new messages are ACM filtered to it. Only problem here: you cannot enable sound on Inbox-Known. So you'll have to create an extra Known folder and adjust the existing Known filter, to point to this folder. Works here to play sound only once. *S* -- Cheers Peter Famous last words - Don't worry, I can handle it. Winamp currently playing: Chris Barber - Petite Fleur Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
'Known' Filter and adding address book
I can't see how to add an address book to this. Nothing in the help file, couldn't find anything in the archives useful. I'm on version 1.61 at the moment, haven't used any betas for a while. Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:'Known' Filter and adding address book
Hi Doug. At 4:32 PM on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 you [DW] wrote the following about ''Known' Filter and adding address book': DW I can't see how to add an address book to this. Nothing in the DW help file, couldn't find anything in the archives useful. DW I'm on version 1.61 at the moment, haven't used any betas for a DW while. How about opening the Address Book. Click on File Click on New Address Book Does that help? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book
Hallo Doug, On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:32:18 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 22:32 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: DW I can't see how to add an address book to this. You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the default AB. I can remember discussions on this list why somebody might want to use multiple AB's. But most (if not all) advantages could be reached by using multiple groups in an AB. So why not place all of your contacts into one AB? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book
Hi Roelof, Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 9:58:29 PM, you wrote: Hallo Doug, On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:32:18 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 22:32 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: DW I can't see how to add an address book to this. You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the default AB. I can remember discussions on this list why somebody might want to use multiple AB's. But most (if not all) advantages could be reached by using multiple groups in an AB. So why not place all of your contacts into one AB? They are all in one address book. The known filter has a big blank window with the heading 'Address books to check against.' I assume since there is nothing there, that explains why it doesn't seem to be checking anything. I've tried creating a new address book Jan, that makes no difference. Thanks anyway!. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book
Hallo Doug, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:25:07 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 23:25 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: DW I can't see how to add an address book to this. You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the default AB. DW They are all in one address book. The known filter has a big blank DW window with the heading 'Address books to check against.' Then there's something gone awry in your setup. Over here it shows my address book with all groups inside it. Oops! Just found out it works like a breeze to add new address book to the known filter. I was checking the known filter and I opened the address book, I created a new address book with a new group in it and went back to the sorting office and behold, the new book was mentioned in the filter. I'm using TB 1.61 under W98 with an inactive known filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
inbox-known ?
Hello list Probably a stupid question, but what is the purpose of the Inbox-Known folder which was created automatically on installation? -- Best regards, Andy Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inbox-known ?
Sh'mae Andy, On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, at 23:52:31 [GMT +0100] (23:52 where I live) you wrote: AM Hello list AM Probably a stupid question, but what is the purpose of the AM Inbox-Known folder which was created automatically on AM installation? There is a special filter that can be activated that means that any incoming mail from a person already in your address book gets shunted into this folder. Consider it step one in SPAM management. A -- 09 August 2002, 00:33 [ Adam Rykala : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [new-wales] project : www.new-wales.net ] [ Public key : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. All my emails are scanned with AntiVir's Antivirus Mail Gateway for Linux. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Known folder
Date: 18 July 2002, Time: 22:23 Hi tbudl, Can anyone remind me how to recreate the Known folder? TIA A -- [ Adam Rykala ] [ www.new-wales.net ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.. ] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Known folder
Hello Adam, On Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 11:23:46 PM you [AR] wrote (at least in part): AR Can anyone remind me how to recreate the Known folder? Create a new folder and name it '$KNOWN$' (w/o single quotes). -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Where is the hand you can trust? Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Known folder
Date: 18 July 2002, Time: 22:47 Hi Peter, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, at 23:39:56 [GMT +0200] (22:39 where I live) you wrote: PP Hello Adam, PP On Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 11:23:46 PM you [AR] wrote (at least in PP part): AR Can anyone remind me how to recreate the Known folder? PP Create a new folder and name it '$KNOWN$' (w/o single quotes). Thanks very much I knew it has some surrounding character to force it but do you think I could remember??? A -- [ Adam Rykala ] [ www.new-wales.net ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ So what's the matter with MY taglines? ] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Restoring 'Inbox - Known'
On Monday, June 17, 2002, 18:21, Joseph N. wrote: I cannot delete the filter. The folder's long gone, and the 'remove' button in the Sorting Office is grayed out for the 'Known' filter. Same here. I think I deleted it somewhere during the beta series, haven't looked at it since. Sorry, should have checked that before posting. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
Hello Miles! On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 9:03:31 PM you wrote: It boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the updated program's FAQ. The FAQ does not come from RITLabs. And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western currencies for theirs... Ever heard of the difference between number of downloads, number of copies in use, number of customers and number of paid copies around? I don't know if RITLabs is wealthy already or not. There are a lot of things to be factored into this equation - one of them being interes rates, another being payback money. Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? Yes, it was asked for. I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? Maybe, although not me. Are you sticking to 1.53 because it satisfies your needs or because you are pissed by RITLabs' communication skills? Call me crazy but in my humble, non-geeky opinion what WOULD have made sense - and created a lot less havoc among TB users, AND generated a lot more business in these spam-crazed times - would have been for Ritlabs to create a folder called unknown for all the spam... and to implement an easy, customer-friendly way to customize it. Which is the Inbox folder - if you use Known or filters to sort your known associates' messages into other folders. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60q on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time. (Abraham Lincoln) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Inbox - Known Folder?
Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. -- Alan Little Holotech Enterprises Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
On Friday, June 14, 2002, Alan Little wrote... Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. It's used in conjunction with the Known filter. If you have that filter switched on, all mail addressed from people in your address book gets put into that folder... should make it a little easier to identify spam ;) As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
Hey Alan, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 10:43:56 AM. AL Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 AL I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - AL Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. AL What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. From What's new in The Bat! 1.60? [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from known senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown senders and spam :-) Basically, you have a default filter that will move any message with an entry in your add book to it. You do have to turn on the filter... It is called Known and I believe it is supposed to be last. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
Hey Jonathan, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 11:16:22 AM. JA As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a JA nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) Not a bad idea... Marck? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why get even, when you can get odd? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tim, @14 June 2002, 11:20:14 -0400 (16:20 UK time) Tim Musson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JA As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a JA nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) Not a bad idea... Marck? I'll go for that ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9CgzNOeQkq5KdzaARAsvVAJ0UQfdmmzrb4osMmcom40i0BO6P+ACeKWFX MY0uaqlMqPSnd2m4Er7+WHk= =szH5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
TM [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from known TM senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown TM senders and spam :-) Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was implemented, seen all kinds of people upset about this... It boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the updated program's FAQ. This begs the question: WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western currencies for theirs... Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? Call me crazy but in my humble, non-geeky opinion what WOULD have made sense - and created a lot less havoc among TB users, AND generated a lot more business in these spam-crazed times - would have been for Ritlabs to create a folder called unknown for all the spam... and to implement an easy, customer-friendly way to customize it. Having been a Bat user for a while now I'm convinced that we are dealing here with a team that is made not only of good code-writers but also of very intelligent people. So, I will ask my question once again (not that I expect an answer from them, but perhaps some constructive thoughts from other users): WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? Have a great weekend, everyone. Best regards, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
Hey Miles, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:03:31 PM. TM [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from TM known senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for TM unknown senders and spam :-) MJ Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was MJ implemented, seen all kinds of people upset about this... It MJ boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very MJ useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the MJ updated program's FAQ. RIT does not maintain the FAQ, it is maintained from this list. MJ This begs the question: MJ WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? No answer for you there, other than that is how it always has been. MJ And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough MJ resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If MJ TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely MJ wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western MJ currencies for theirs... Um, ~$30 US for each copy [over the years]... I don't know the exchange rate, but ... MJ Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs MJ stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been MJ since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? The change list they sent out this AM is the same one that has been in every 1.60 dl... MJ I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? N, 1.60 has way too many cool features! SmartBat being one. And check this one out, I key 54*23= then with my cursor on one of those chars I do a shift+ctrl+= and it changes it to.54*23=1242 Now I don't need to grab MS's horrible calculator... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) What could possibly go wrong? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known (was: What happened to Help?)
Hello Thomas! On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 8:07:31 AM you wrote: MSG and how I get rid of it if I don't want it? Don't know. For all those who couldn't follow the lists in the past few weeks - and those that don't know what an archive is: Got to your Sorting Office and disable the Known filter. After that (and may be are-start of TB!) the said folder should be gone. If not, you can now delete ist and it'll be gone until you enable the filter again. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60k on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Calling Things by their right name marks the beginning of Wisdom. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Inbox - Known (was: What happened to Help?)
Hello Michael, On Tue, 21 May 2002 18:25:04 -0700 GMT (22/05/02, 08:25 +0700 GMT), Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: MSG Is this a problem on my computer or with the program? It's not a problem, it's a new feature. MSG Meanwhile, can anyone tell me what this Inbox-Known is, why I need it, You can filter mails of known senders (i.e. those who are in your addressbook) into that Inbox, rather than the general Inbox. I use it and read those messages before I read the general Inbox. Check out the new incoming filter Known in the Sorting Office. This filter makes it happen. MSG and how I get rid of it if I don't want it? Don't know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60k under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
