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Hello - only just saw your comment re. sending the problem file. By all
means upload the file somewhere and send me the details, if this is
still relevant given your last post


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-12 Thread Zonker92


snottmonster;630856 Wrote: 
 Hello - only just saw your comment re. sending the problem file. By all
 means upload the file somewhere and send me the details, if this is
 still relevant given your last post

Thanks!  I can recall which ALAC file was stopping and then starting
again.  What's the best way to send it to you?  Should I PM my email
address to you?

Of course, there was also the problem with indexing:  SBS would scan my
files for 24 hours or so and then I still couldn't play them.  Tagging
issues, too. :()


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-12 Thread aubuti


Zonker92;630854 Wrote: 
 It occurs to me that I can play with this issue some more, without
 actually having a Squeezebox device at the moment.  One of these days I
 may start working one converting my files to FLAC or WAV and archiving
 them on some sort of newer NAS or headless PC, clean up their tags,
 then try a Touch again once I have the files working properly with SBS.
 Just a thought.
All fine ideas. And you can even test it without getting a Touch again.
As a first test you could intall one of the SB software players such
as SqueezePlay on your pc and try streaming from SBS to that. The
software players are not as full-featured or robust as hardware
Squeezeboxes, but they are a great way of trying things out before you
buy. Or before you buy again :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone


Zonker92;630858 Wrote: 
 Thanks!  I can recall clearly one particular ALAC file that was stopping
 and then starting again.  Sometimes.  What's the best way to send it to
 you?  Should I PM my email address to you?
 
 Of course, there was also the problem with indexing:  SBS would scan my
 files for 24 hours or so and then I still couldn't play them.  Tagging
 issues, too. :()

I'll send you a PM


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone


I've received an ALAC file from Zonker92 to test with - Loaded it onto
my NV+ (4 bay version of the Duo but with identical processor) which is
running a recent build of SBS 7.6 and streamed the track to SqueezePlay
running on my MacBook. 

The track played perfectly - no skips or pauses. The NAS utilisation
was typically as follows:

Code:


  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND 
  22056 root  26  10  2912 1184  848 S 16.1  0.1   0:49.05 faad 
 
  21028 root  25  10  123m  93m 6880 R  4.2  9.5   9:37.94 squeezeboxserve
  


Note that I did also run a backup job on the same NAS while the audio
was playing and also tested simultaneously streaming wirelessly just to
be sure I wasn't only testing an 'ideal' setup - again no skipping.

I'll try again streaming to SB hardware rather than SqueezePlay just to
be complete - but that will have to be tomorrow.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-12 Thread Zonker92


Thanks for the testing!

Yes, I didn't, and don't, think the file itself is the problem.  If it
had been, it would not have been intermittent.  My best bet is that SBS
just doesn't run well on my NASDuo.  The stop/start problem occurred
when I tried it both wirelessly and wired.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone


Zonker92;630933 Wrote: 
 Thanks for the testing!
 
 Yes, I didn't, and don't, think the file itself is the problem.  If it
 had been, it would not have been intermittent.  My best bet is that SBS
 just doesn't run well on my NASDuo.  The stop/start problem occurred
 when I tried it both wirelessly and wired.
Good morning.
Just tested the track on my Boom - again, played back perfectly. (And
sounded great btw... )


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-06 Thread snottmonster


Zonker92;629590 Wrote: 
 
 As to the ALAC issue, I agree that it seems to be a major problem here,
 and I too can't see why the engineers haven't resolved it.  The fact
 that I encoded most of my CDs with ALAC (because I use iTunes) is a sad
 coincidence, but one that probably will affect a lot of other people
 too.  I suspect the Logitech engineers will eventually resolve it, but
 it's too bad they have yet to do so.
 
Hello again - I've been reading along and I'm sorry the suggestions
haven't helped; Aubuti has covered anything that I might have
suggested.

But please do remember that I have run the same type of material, and
even 24/96 material from a similarly spec'ed NAS without issue. So we
have to consider the possibility that this issue is unique to your
setup.

The offer still stands if there is anything I can do to try  help
reproduce and/or debug the problem


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-06 Thread toby10


Zonker92;629587 Wrote: 
 ...  It's just bizarre that two systems see the same files on the same
 NAS and one of them indexes them and plays them effortlessly, and the
 other chokes and craps out.  It's easy to blame the equipment and
 user--perhaps rightfully so--but the question remains--what is Sonos
 doing that the SBS isn't?.

Well, there is a big difference in how you are utilizing these two
systems.
Sonos' server is running separately from your NAS, only using the NAS
as the library storage, very little resources needed, similar too a
computer accessing data on a USB drive.
Whereas you are actually running SBS on your NAS, which is very
resource intensive.
Run SBS on a computer, pointing SBS to your NAS library, now you have a
fair comparison of the two systems.
I don't use Sonos but that is my understanding of how they work.

Then when you start combining factors (server on low power NAS, ALAC,
lossless transcoding, iTunes tagging  art) the issues multiply
quickly.

Couple other things to check:
-  are you certain no other program or service is running on the NAS?
-  is anything possibly using the common ports required for SBS server?
i.e.  any other media program using same ports?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-06 Thread aubuti


Zonker92;629590 Wrote: 
 The tagging problems may lie with my files, although I have to wonder if
 it isn't just that SBS is looking for a particular format and can't read
 my files because iTunes tagged them in some particular weird manner,
 viz., a compatibility problem.  And the fact remains that the Sonos app
 has zero problems indexing the same files, so the tagging doesn't seem
 to bother that app.  If a tagging defect doesn't affect the operation
 of the system, is it really a defect?
Why Sonos reads those tags and SBS doesn't is a puzzle to me, too. Both
SBS and Sonos _should_ be looking for a particular format because
that's how it's done. Even closed, proprietary formats like ALAC have
standards that all programs that read or write ALAC tags should follow.


Maybe the SBS scanner is using outdated standards. After all, Apple is
known to change formats a bit capriciously, although if the SBS scanner
were out of date I would expect to see other complaints, as you're not
the only one using ALAC. Or maybe Sonos is more forgiving of tagging
errors. I don't know. In this case snottmonster's offer to see if one
of the problem files works on his SBS system could be useful in
debugging things. 

If you are still willing to put more time into it, I also like toby10's
suggestion of running SBS 7.5.4 on your computer, pointing it to the
library on the NAS. That may be an unacceptable way for you to run your
network audio system, but it would at least resolve some of the puzzles
about why SBS is not working for you when it really _does_ work for
most people.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-06 Thread Zonker92


Thanks!  You guys are awesome; I feel like a quitter.  But one of these
days I'll probably rally and try again.  I know roughly what I would do
in that case:  I'd buy a computer, like maybe one of those headless
Atomics, put a 1 TB hard drive on it, convert my files to FLAC, clean
up their tags and install SBS on the computer, then link it to a Touch.
But as it is, if this NAS and my ALAC files aren't completely
compatible with the SBS, I'm not gonna keep trying to beat a square peg
into a round hole.

So yeah, there's a decent chance I'll be back here soon with more
questions ...  Thanks!!


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Boy, why is the scan so slow?  I installed version 7.6 as an experiment,
and instead of following your sage advice, I had it clear and rescan all
my music.  Big mistake.  On the Sonos desktop application a full scan
took maybe 20 minutes.  On the SBS, it seems to take longer every time
I do it.  This time it's at 18 hours and it's still not done.  Amazing.


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I don't know why it should be so slow. For me, 7.6 scans a little faster
than 7.5.4. And it was that way on my NAS, too. If it goes much longer,
abort the scan and check the scanner.log file.

Btw, even if the scan hasn't completed you should be able to see all of
your music files if you use the My Music  Music Folder route to browse
your files. That is the only browse mode that doesn't use the SQL
database -- it just reads directly from the OS. However, note that if
your NAS is heavily occupied running the scan that the response going
via Music Folder is likely to be very slow.


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aubuti;629490 Wrote: 
 I don't know why it should be so slow. For me, 7.6 scans a little faster
 than 7.5.4. And it was that way on my NAS, too. If it goes much longer,
 abort the scan and check the scanner.log file.

OK; thanks.  It looks like it's almost done with the file scanning, so
for now I'll let it run.

 Btw, even if the scan hasn't completed you should be able to see all of
 your music files if you use the My Music  Music Folder route to browse
 your files. That is the only browse mode that doesn't use the SQL
 database -- it just reads directly from the OS. However, note that if
 your NAS is heavily occupied running the scan that the response going
 via Music Folder is likely to be very slow.

Ah, success:  My music is there.  Thank you thank you thank you thank
you thank you. 

The next big question will be, whether 7.6 still does that annoying
intermittent pause thing on the first track of my ALAC albums.


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21 hours now, and still a few hundred files to go ... man.


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Dmn.  What would I look for in the log?  I looked the 1,000-line
scan log.  I saw a lot of error notations.  I have no idea what the
replay gain thing is about; I had that turned off in iTunes.

 
 
 [11-05-04 14:45:48.8784] main::main (196) Starting Squeezebox Server
 scanner (v7.6.0, r32383, Tue May  3 02:06:10 PDT 2011) perl 5.008008
 [11-05-04 14:46:08.3361] Slim::Music::Import::runImporter (465)
 Starting Slim::Music::MusicFolderScan scan
 [11-05-04 14:46:08.3586] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::rescan (155)
 Discovering files in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Media/Music
 [11-05-04 14:51:53.6764] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (227)
 Removing deleted files (0)
 [11-05-04 14:51:53.6918] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (280)
 Scanning new files (25803)
 [11-05-04 15:10:06.7479] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8).
 [11-05-04 15:10:06.7782] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen%20Stone/05%20Comedown.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-04 15:10:07.0526] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499)
 Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen Stone/06 Body.m4a:
 REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN - inf
 [11-05-04 15:10:07.4628] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499)
 Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen Stone/07 Machinehead.m4a:
 REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN - inf
 [11-05-04 15:10:07.8582] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen%20Stone/08%20Testosterone%201.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-04 15:54:31.9982] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Compilations/The%20Goa%20Mix/1-10%20Main%20Titles%20And%20Floor%20Essence.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-04 16:29:48.4182] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499)
 Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/David Sedaris/Barrel Fever Disc 3/15
 Blank.m4a: REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN - inf
 [11-05-04 18:32:18.4800] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 12).
 [11-05-04 19:07:20.9286] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499)
 Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/John Mayer/Room For Squares/YUNL.m4a:
 REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN - inf
 [11-05-04 19:39:51.9751] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499)
 Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes
 Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Korn/Follow The Leader/01 Silence.m4a:
 REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN - inf
 [11-05-04 20:36:48.8870] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Massive%20Attack/100th%20Window/07%20Small%20Time%20Shot%20Away%201.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-04 21:21:32.7407] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 15).
 [11-05-04 21:50:16.4108] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 14).
 [11-05-05 07:38:02.1177] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8).
 [11-05-05 07:38:02.1395] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/01%20Track%2001%2012.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-05 07:39:21.4478] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8).
 [11-05-05 07:39:21.4559] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/02%20Track%2002.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 [11-05-05 07:39:43.0777] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable
 to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8).
 [11-05-05 07:39:43.0857] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655)
 ERROR SCANNING
 file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/03%20Track%2003.m4a:
 Unable to read tags from file
 



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At this rate it's looking like maybe another 24 hours of scanning to go,
just to delete some non-existent playlists.  Nuts.  What if I just abort
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My log file forensic skills are basic at best. And they are less than
that on 7.6, where I haven't seen any problems yet firsthand. And I
have no experience whatsoever with ALAC. So my first suggestion is that
you put the whole log file in a zip file and post it here, and hope that
someone with more expertise comes along soon!

As for the invalid replaygain tags, you should check those in a good
tagging program. I usually recommend the donation-ware mp3tag, but I
don't know if it handles ALAC. Despite the name it handles FLAC
wonderfully. You can check for ALAC support on the website
(www.mp3tag.de).

In addition to the replaygain errors, the scanner can't read more than
a few bytes from many of your files. I have no clue what's up with
that, but obviously it's not good.

My only other recommendation is very generic, but it's a real
timesaver. If you want to continue pursuing 7.6, then I suggest making
a small test library that you use until you get the scanning issue
ironed out. The errors you're getting after 20 hours are probably the
same type of errors you're getting after 2 minutes, so there's no point
in flogging a dead horse. Be sure to include at least one of the albums
that shows up as having problems in your current log.

Finally, if you haven't already done so, search in the Beta forum for
issues with scanning Apple Lossless.


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Zonker92;629547 Wrote: 
 At this rate it's looking like maybe another 24 hours of scanning to go,
 just to delete some non-existent playlists.  Nuts.  What if I just abort
 it now; will it still access my music files?
Abort it. With all those errors the final result won't be useful
anyway. You can still access your files via My Music  Music Folder. 
Then try to sort out the scan failures via the small test library I
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aubuti;629548 Wrote: 
 My log file forensic skills are basic at best. And they are less than
 that on 7.6, where I haven't seen any problems yet firsthand. And I
 have no experience whatsoever with ALAC. So my first suggestion is that
 you put the whole log file in a zip file and post it here, and hope that
 someone with more expertise comes along soon!

I may do that, thanks.

 As for the invalid replaygain tags, you should check those in a good
 tagging program. I usually recommend the donation-ware mp3tag, but I
 don't know if it handles ALAC. Despite the name it handles FLAC
 wonderfully. You can check for ALAC support on the website
 (www.mp3tag.de).

Huh; never heard of that.  Do those programs clean up tags?

 In addition to the replaygain errors, the scanner can't read more than a
 few bytes from many of your files. I have no clue what's up with that,
 but obviously it's not good.

That was my first impression, but if you look it seems to be saying
it's having trouble reading the tags, not the music files.  It says
things like Unable to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8) 
I think that's a reference to the tag, but I could be wrong.

 My only other recommendation is very generic, but it's a real timesaver.
 If you want to continue pursuing 7.6, then I suggest making a small test
 library that you use until you get the scanning issue ironed out. The
 errors you're getting after 20 hours are probably the same type of
 errors you're getting after 2 minutes, so there's no point in flogging
 a dead horse. Be sure to include at least one of the albums that shows
 up as having problems in your current log.

Good call, and I know you suggested that before.  My only problem with
that is, it means I have to re-scan again, and if it works I'll haver
to go back and rescan all my files again.  If it doesn't, I could go
back and rescan part or all in 7.5?  Seems like it might yield useful
information quickly, but in the long run I'm still kinda screwed if
it's not working right, unless it yields a way to fix the problem.  I
thought that either way it would simply scan overnight so it was no
skin off my butt.  But n 

 Finally, if you haven't already done so, search in the Beta forum for
 issues with scanning Apple Lossless.

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Zonker92;629553 Wrote: 
 Huh; never heard of that.  Do those programs clean up tags?
They don't do it automatically. I look at them as tools to help you
thoroughly inspect your tags and then you can clean up the tags. iTunes
also lets you view and edit tags, but mp3tag is much more thorough and
powerful, especially for looking at large chunks of your library at one
time. AFAIK iTunes only lets you do it a track at a time, and it doesn't
even show you all the tags.

Zonker92;629553 Wrote: 
 That was my first impression, but if you look it seems to be saying it's
 having trouble reading the tags, not the music files.  It says things
 like Unable to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8)  I
 think that's a reference to the tag, but I could be wrong.
Normally the tags are _in_ the music files, and I assume that's where
yours are. And yes, the scanner is only trying to read the tags, not
the audio portion of the files.

Zonker92;629553 Wrote: 
 Good call, and I know you suggested that before.  My only problem with
 that is, it means I have to re-scan again, and if it works I'll haver
 to go back and rescan all my files again.  If it doesn't, I could go
 back and rescan part or all in 7.5?  Seems like it might yield useful
 information quickly, but in the long run I'm still kinda screwed if
 it's not working right, unless it yields a way to fix the problem.  I
 thought that either way it would simply scan overnight so it was no
 skin off my butt.  But n 
You will have to rescan your entire library again anyway, whether you
do it in 7.5 or 7.6. That last scan was a disaster, and any database
produced in the end is useless. 

It looks as if there are some things about your files that the scanner
doesn't like. Certainly some (and likely all) of the problem is the
tags, as shown by the invalid replaygain tag error. Fixing that problem
means fixing the tags. So you can edit the tags on 20 files, rescan
those 20 files, and see if the errors go away. If they do, then apply
the same changes as needed to your other 25,683 files, and rescan the
whole lot. If the tag edit doesn't fix the 20 files, try a different
solution and rescan to see if that fixes. 

Basically until you know what's actually wrong with the tags/files it's
an iterative trial-and-error process. Doing the trial and error on all
25,000 tracks instead of 25 known problem tracks is simply masochism.
And doing it on a ReadyNAS Duo is purely nuts.

And if your scans were working on 7.5, you may want to just go back to
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Unbelievable:  I just fired up the Sonos desktop controller and it
indexed my entire library in about 15 minutes.  I reconnected the
Zoneplayer, hit Play and I'm listening to music on it now.  And that's
after four days of agony with SBS.  I could start a long rant now, but
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I suppose Sonos is the better solution for some people. But to be fair,
let's not overlook the fact that you were trying to run SBS on a system
that is borderline at best wrt minimum system requirements. Just
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That's a valid comment, assuming the NAS is the problem.  But when I
look at all the issues:--ALAC transcoding, tagging errors and scanning
problems--and consider the possible solutions--reencoding all my files,
buying a new computer and retagging all my my files--then factor in all
the time and money I've already invested in my NAS and files--the
question I have is why can't the SBS do what the Sonos app does--play
the same files off the same NAS?  It's just bizarre that two systems
see the same files on the same NAS and one of them indexes them and
plays them effortlessly, and the other chokes and craps out.  It's easy
to blame the equipment and user--perhaps rightfully so--but the question
remains-- what is Sonos doing that the SBS isn't?

Which isn't to say I'm giving up for good.  I may retreat, lick my
wounds, then try again later. But for now I am frankly amazed that the
SBS can't do something SS seemingly basic as indexing and playing ALAC
files on an NAS without Herculean efforts on the part of the user.  How
many people hand the expertise or patience to tolerate and remedy that?

OK, that was my rant.  Thanks for all your help, and I'm sorry I ran
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The first time I tried to use a Sonos system at a local audio shop it
didn't work. Period. And the staff person who tried to help couldn't
get it to work either. And this was a decent shop, not some Best Buy or
other big box store. I tried one a couple years later at a different
store and it worked okay. Nothing impressive, but it worked.

Sonos is a much more restricted environment. Proprietary wireless
network, limited interfaces, etc. But by all reports it works with
minimum fuss, albeit with minimal flexibility. But if minimal
flexibility is all you need, then it's a no-brainer: go with minimal
fuss.

Compared to that, Squeezeboxes are wild and woolly open-source
products, with endless possibilities for some and endless headaches for
others. I think the crux of your problem is (a) ALAC, which isn't
decoded on the Touch, and (b) an underpowered server. Why the Touch
still has a buggy (to use a Logitech developer's description) ALAC
decoder is beyond me. When the player can't do the decoding that shifts
the burden onto the server, and sorry, but your ReadyNAS can't handle
it. I described your system as borderline wrt to system requirements,
but if you factor in transcoding your NAS is _way_ below system
requirements. Presumably your Sonos players are taking care of the
decoding because they have non-buggy ALAC decoders.

For the record, tagging errors are completely on the user. Neither
Sonos nor Squeezebox write or edit tags for the user.

Anyway, enjoy the music!


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Yes, that all sounds right, Aubuti.  And by no means am I lashing out at
you.  To the contrary; you've been a fantastic person who's gone way
above and beyond the call of duty.

As to the ALAC issue, I agree that it seems to be a major problem here,
and I too can't see why the engineers haven't resolved it.  The fact
that I encoded most of my CDs with ALAC (because I use iTunes) is a sad
coincidence, but one that probably will affect a lot of other people
too.  I suspect the Logitech engineers will eventually resolve it, but
it's too bad they have yet to do so.

The tagging problems may lie with my files, although I have to wonder
if it isn't just that SBS is looking for a particular format and can't
read my files because iTunes tagged them in some particular weird
manner, viz., a compatibility problem.  And the fact remains that the
Sonos app has zero problems indexing the same files, so the tagging
doesn't seem to bother that app.  If a tagging defect doesn't affect
the operation of the system, is it really a defect?

I won't say the Sonos is perfect.  It doesn't import most of my album
art and it doesn't output 24/96 data, and it lacks a touchscreen and it
doesn't let people tamper with its features or modify or add to them. 
All in all, I think the SBS / Touch is a much more exciting set of
features.  I just wish to God it worked with my files, on my system. 
And as I suggested, I'm surprised that a lot of people aren't pissed
that it's so finicky and requires so much attention.

But I may monkey around with it some more ... we'll see.  And again: 
Thanks for all the help; you are seriously cool person.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-04 Thread aubuti


Zonker92;629077 Wrote: 
 Cool; thanks again.  I am thinking it's probably overkill to replace my
 NAS just to get this one issue ironed out; I should probably just
 convert my files to FLAC and be done with it.  I just need to figure
 out where to put them; I have 47% of each of my RAID hard drives used
 up with files already, but maybe there's room there for the FLACs, too,
 until I delete the ALAC files or archive them elsewhere. 
Sounds good. One simple way would be to convert half of your library,
verify that the conversion was done correctly, delete the ALACs you
converted, and then repeat the process with the second half of your
library.

To be on the safe side, you may want to add another drive into the mix
(eg, external USB drive) so that you don't have to wipe out your
existing library until you're absolutely sure you're happy with the
conversion to FLAC. Yes, that would cost money, but if it saves you
some time jockeying files and drives then it may be worth it. And the
drive will still be useful for something else later.

And as always, be sure you have a backup, remembering that RAID is not
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2011-05-04 Thread Zonker92


Yes, I think that's a good way to go, and I've been mulling it over and
playing with the trial version of dBpoweramp, trying to suss out its
batch conversion process.  I'd have to figure out how, of the 2,500 or
so albums I have, to figure out which were ALACs and convert them while
leaving alone the others.

Right now I'm rescanning after putting the 7.6 SBS on the NAS; just
curious to see how that works and I thought it could scan everything
overnight again, but it's still working away this morning.

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Wow, aubuti; thanks so much for your time and clear answers!

So I left the NAS on my router and uninstalled the SBS from the PC.  I
accessed SBS on the NAS and left it reindexing my music overnight. 
During this process my NAS was definitely busy with the reindexing
(2,500 albums as it turns out).

This morning everything seems to be running great and my music is
showing up and playing on the Touch without lagginess.  So far, so
good!  (I think the wi-fi issue had to do with my PC being busy
indexing the NAS earlier.)  If lagginess is a problem later I may run
an ethernet cable out to the Touch.

Thanks again!  Also, I have a PS Audio Digital Link III upsampling DAC
coming in the next few days, to see if I like the audio better from it.

I'll post if I have more questions.  Much appreciated!


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Glad to hear it's working well. With a low-powered NAS and a library of
your size it's a good practice to just leave it alone when it's
rescanning. So doing it overnight as you did was smart, and you
probably want to continue doing that, especially for times when you do
a complete clear-and-rescan (doing a scan for new and changed only
shouldn't take so long). The other main drawback of using a low-powered
NAS is the sluggish web ui, a problem that is easily avoided by using
the Touch's interface directly, or a remote such as the iPhone. 

I think the Logitech iPhone app is pretty good, but if you haven't
tried iPeng yet you may wish to give it a try. It costs $10, but it's a
very slick piece of software.


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Thanks again.  I do intend to get iPeng, but didn't want to spend the
money until I confirmed that I'm going to keep the Touch.  It is a
little strange going over from the Sonos to the Touch, because the
Sonos interface is so simple and the options are so few.  I feel like I
just went from a Cessna to a 747.  :)

It's too bad the Touch doesn't communicate directly with my iPhone via
internal wireless or Bluetooth, but going through the wi-fi system is
OK; just still seems a little laggy (transport and volume controls) and
a few times, when I started a new song the sound would stop for a
second, then start up again smoothly with no further problems.  (I
still need to figure that out.)

Again, I really appreciate the help.


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Zonker92;628960 Wrote: 
 It's too bad the Touch doesn't communicate directly with my iPhone via
 internal wireless or Bluetooth, but going through the wi-fi system is
 OK; just still seems a little laggy (transport and volume controls) and
 a few times, when I started a new song the sound would stop for a
 second, then start up again smoothly with no further problems.  (I
 still need to figure that out.)
It is quite possible that the lag is due to the NAS's limitations,
rather than wifi issues. Now that you have the NAS running okay you
could easily test that hypothesis by running SBS on your PC. You don't
need to uninstall SBS from the NAS, just change the Touch to connect to
the PC's instance of SBS instead of the NAS's. Then see if you get the
same lags and interruptions when using the iPhone when it's your PC
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Thanks.  I uninstalled SBS from my PC, but I can always reinstall it; I
saved the scan logs.

But I was using this NAS with the Sonos and there was never any
interruption; would it make sense that the NAS would just start doing
it now?

I've played only a few songs so far, but I'll try again soon.


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Zonker92;628973 Wrote: 
 OK; yes, for the first track on each album, it will play maybe two
 seconds, pause, then resume.  The later tracks seem to play without
 interruption.  Weird.
That sounds like it could be starting to play before the Touch's buffer
is full. I know there's a setting to adjust how long to wait before
starting to play internet radio, but I don't remember if there is
something similar for playing from one's own library. It may be less of
an issue for later tracks because it starts buffering the next track 10
seconds before the current track is finished. What type of files are
these? Are they hi-res (24/96)?

Is the Touch still running wirelessly? If so, try running an ethernet
cable to it (at least temporarily) to see if that solves the problem.
Be sure to verify that the Touch makes the switch to ethernet -- I
honestly don't remember whether or not you have to go through the Touch
setup again when switching from wifi to wired.


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I think it's buffering, too.  I'll look and do a search to see if I can
change that setting to it buffers a little longer.

It will be a bit of work to run an ethernet cable over there.  I'll
have to climb under the house, drill some holes and add some wall
plates.  But maybe this weekend ...  I do think that in the long term
I'll be happier with a cable than wi-fi.

When I installed the Touch yesterday Im pretty sure it asked me whether
I wanted wi-fi or a hard connection.  There must be a way to find that
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While you're troubleshooting the problems, (especially determining
whether it is insufficient wifi bandwidth or straining an underpowered
NAS, could you temporarily run an ethernet cable across the floor? That
is, before you get serious with drilling holes, running through walls,
installing wallplates, and messing with drywall or spackle (my least
favorite, yuck). Even though wired connections are always good, that's
a lot of sweat if it turns out that the main problem is your NAS's
resources.

I am sure you can get back to the wired/wifi question again by doing a
factory reset of the Touch and re-doing the setup process. You can do
that by pressing the very small button just above where the power cable
connects to the Touch, and hold it for about 10-15 seconds, until the
screen says Factory reset or something similar. I'm just not sure if
you can change to wired without doing a full reset on the Touch.

Ah, Apple Lossless. I don't have any of those, so I don't follow those
events, but one of the developers (andyg) has reported that the ALAC
decoder in the Touch is buggy, so SBS uses transcoding on the server
when possible (see this thread for a little info, search the forums for
more: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84823). So it's
possible that your NAS isn't able to transcode enough of the track in
the  10 seconds before it starts playing the first track. Does the
same thing happen if you are in the middle of a track and then skip to
the next track?


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Good idea about that cable.  I was thinking the same thing.  I may have
a super-long cable lying around that I could try, but my quote above
suggests that buffering is not the problem.  

The pause occurs only on the first song of an album; after that the
later songs play with no pause, at least so far.  I was looking at that
transcoding setting.  It looks like the option for native playback is
grayed-out on my SBS settings for Apple Lossless, so it has to
transcode to FLAC; I have on idea if that would cause an interruption. 
If I use an external DAC will that still happen, I wonder?

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If your NAS has a utility like 'top' you could check to see if the CPU
is pegged at 100% when trying to get that first track transcoded and
out the door. If I recall correctly, that NAS's CPU doesn't do floating
point operations, which could be another constraint for transcoding,
though I don't know for sure. I have no idea if an external DAC will
help -- I don't know enough about if/how that affects the decoding
process.

One other test to consider: make FLAC copies of one or more of your
ALAC albums and see if you have the same problems when you play
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I'll check both those possibilities; thanks.

And I just spent a few minutes testing:  The pause occurred on some
of my Apple Lossless albums sometimes, and not on the same albums or
tracks at other times.  Sometimes it happened on the first track and
sometimes on later tracks.  I tried a WAV album and it didn't happen,
but that doesn't mean much because the problem's intermittent.

Gotta love intermittent problems   ...


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Zonker92;629008 Wrote: 
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Thanks for the advice!  Is the NAS doing the volume control or decoding?
I had supposed those processes were done inside the Touch itself.

Actually, I have now hard-wired the Touch to my four-port router (where
the NAS is also connected) and the problem persists, but occurs only
with ALAC problems.  And strangely, although it's intermittent, when it
does happen it seems to occur at the same point each time:  A song plays
for about three seconds, the sound stops, then maybe four seconds later
it resumes and after that it plays fine.  Usually, it happens only with
the first track on an album, but sometimes when I manually switch tracks
it will happen on subsequent tracks.  

So even though this stuff is mainly way over my head, I do this this is
an issue with how it's handling my Apple Lossless files.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone

2011-05-03 Thread snottmonster


I wouldn't have thought a DAC would make any difference - the source of
the issue appears to be the streaming from SBS to the Touch; ie the
problem is occurring before the audio data is fed to the DAC

Do you have any other addons running on your Duo? Anything else
communicating with the Duo that could be loading it? 

I'd be happy to try one of your problem ALAC files on my NV+ if you
needed a sanity check. Otherwise you would need to investigate the Duo
utilization more carefully, or alternatively try out SBS 7.6.


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Zonker92;629051 Wrote: 
 The bad news is, the problem occurs only with Apple Lossless files,
 which is almost all the CDs I owned, ripped, then sold last year.  :(  
Depending on what country you're in that could be a little dicey from a
legal standpoint (civil copyright infringement in some places), but
that's a separate matter.

Any particular reason for using Apple Lossless? If not, then you could
batch convert from ALAC to FLAC and there wouldn't be any loss in music
quality, because lossless is lossless. If you want ALAC for an iPod or
something then that's not a solution for you, but otherwise there
aren't any drawbacks. You can just set a computer going on your ALAC
library and check back when it's done. There are various software
packages that can do it.

Fyi, SBS does the volume control. By default, decoding is done on the
player (eg, Touch) for codecs that the player can natively decode, and
on the server for other codecs. You can also override those settings to
decode on the server instead of player. In your case, because the ALAC
decoder on the Touch is buggy, the decoding is done at the server. I
have no idea if/when ALAC native will ever lose its greyed out status,
but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.


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Well, for the last year this Duo has been streaming these exact same
files to my Sonos ZP90 with no problems, ever, and even on the Touch
they play fine about half the time, so I don't think the problem is
with the files them selves.  But I do appreciate the offer to check one
of them out for me.

No, I think the problem must lie somewhere between the file and the
DAC's output stage, perhaps in the NAS SBS or in the Touch somewhere? 
Is there a simple way to stop using the SBS in the NAS (as I am now)
and instead use the mini-SBS built into the Touch?  That might be a
cool test.

Also, how is SBS 7.6 different?  Can I install that on my NAS instead? 
Would I have to rescan all my files (about 5-6 hours of scanning)?


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aubuti;629065 Wrote: 
 Depending on what country you're in that could be a little dicey from a
 legal standpoint (civil copyright infringement in some places), but
 that's a separate matter.

I know it's a digression, but I don't see any copyright issues, myself:
I had the legal right to rip my own CDs and I can't imagine I had the
duty to destroy those copies simply because I sold the CDs, but I
haven't actually researched that issue; it just sounds crazy to me. 
But anyhoo ...

 Any particular reason for using Apple Lossless? If not, then you could
 batch convert from ALAC to FLAC and there wouldn't be any loss in music
 quality, because lossless is lossless. If you want ALAC for an iPod or
 something then that's not a solution for you, but otherwise there
 aren't any drawbacks. You can just set a computer going on your ALAC
 library and check back when it's done. There are various software
 packages that can do it.

I have considered that, and I'm not too reluctant to try it, but then
what would I do with putting music on all our iPods?  iTunes (for PC)
doesn't support FLAC, does it?  I wanted one type of file that I could
use on all our devices and our home music server.  If there's a way I
can use FLAC and still transfer music to our iPods easily, then I might
consider that.  Or I could simply maintain two sets of the music files I
guess, and rip everything new twice ...

Fyi, SBS does the volume control. By default, decoding is done on the
player (eg, Touch) for codecs that the player can natively decode, and
on the server for other codecs. You can also override those settings to
decode on the server instead of player. In your case, because the ALAC
decoder on the Touch is buggy, the decoding is done at the server. I
have no idea if/when ALAC native will ever lose its greyed out status,
but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

Dang.  Weird.  SBS is really a new concept to my small brain.

I wonder if I should get a better NAS?  This sucks, worrying about
recoding all my music or replacing more gear.  :(  Oh, well, every time I
switch to new gadgets I wind up giving myself a lot of headaches like
this.


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To use the Touch's built-in server (TinySBS) you would need to have the
music files on a USB drive instead of the NAS. Then plug the USB drive
into the Touch, activate TinySBS (via Settings  Advanced  Squeezebox
Server  Start Squeezebox Server). Then it will take a while to scan
the USB drive and built the database of metadata.

The main difference with 7.6 is that it uses SQLite for the database
instead of MySQL. TinySBS already uses SQLite. SQLite has a lighter
footprint than MySQL, and tends to run better than MySQL on
underpowered servers such as yours. 

7.6 is still beta, gets updated nightly, and has a distinct possibility
of breaking from time to time. Last I heard they were expecting it to be
released around June this year, but there are absolutely no promises in
that regard. If there is a build for the ReadyNAS you can download it
from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly . You can install it on
the NAS the same way you did 7.5.x, and yes, it will have to rescan
your library. For purposes of testing you could try pointing it a small
subset of your library, so that it finishes the scan more quickly. Pick
a subset containing albums that have exhibited the problem already with
7.5.x.


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2011-05-03 Thread snottmonster


As you said, the Sonos system is much simpler - that goes for the
streaming too which uses a much more light weight server than SBS. I'm
not 100% sure but I believe no transcoding of ALAC is needed either

My understanding is that 7.6 has been reported to be far less resource
hungry, and particularly beneficial for low powered systems. This was
the reason I was testing it for someone else who wanted to migrate -
but they were not very comfortable doing so. It certainly seemed to
perform better in the short test I did

That said, if you haven't upgraded to 7.5.4, that may be the better
first step than moving straight to a beta release that is still
undergoing many changes as aubuti already stated.


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Zonker92;629068 Wrote:
I know it's a digression, but I don't see any copyright issues, myself:
I had the legal right to rip my own CDs and I can't imagine I had the
duty to destroy those copies simply because I sold the CDs, but I
haven't actually researched that issue; it just sounds crazy to me.
But anyhoo ...
I'm not a lawyer, but I have researched it some. In some countries
buying the CD only gives you a license to listen to the music, and you
transfer that license when you sell the CD. I'm no fan of the
music/entertainment corporations, though I am a fan of many artists.
From a copyright standpoint it's no different from the original Napster
or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted content via torrent. But as
you say, that's a digression.

Zonker92;629068 Wrote:
I have considered that, and I'm not too reluctant to try it, but then
what would I do with putting music on all our iPods? iTunes (for PC)
doesn't support FLAC, does it? I wanted one type of file that I could
use on all our devices and our home music server. If there's a way I
can use FLAC and still transfer music to our iPods easily, then I might
consider that. Or I could simply maintain two sets of the music files I
guess, and rip everything new twice ...
What many of us do is keep one lossless copy for home use and a lossy
copy (like MP3 or AAC) for portable use. Speaking for myself, I am sure
I can't tell the difference between lossless and decent-quality lossy on
my portable players or in my car. The quality of the players and the
lousy acoustic environments are the limiting factors there, not
lossless/lossy. In that situation, lossless files are just a waste of
disk space, and sometimes they run the battery down faster. And you
don't have to rip twice. Rip once to lossless, then you have a perfect
copy you can use to create parallel lossy library.

Zonker92;629068 Wrote:
Dang. Weird. SBS is really a new concept to my small brain.
The origins of Squeezeboxes are slim devices, like the name of the
company that started them (before being bought by Logitech). The SBs
were just dumb clients, incapable of displaying the time of day,
changing the volume, etc without a command from the server. That
provided a lot of flexibility, including being able to improve the
player by upgrading the server software. The newer models (Touch,
Radio) are more powerful smart players, which is a big break from
that model. But the client/server model still applies in many ways.

Zonker92;629068 Wrote:
I wonder if I should get a better NAS? This sucks, worrying about
recoding all my music or replacing more gear. :( Oh, well, every time
I switch to new gadgets I wind up giving myself a lot of headaches like
this.
You could get a better NAS, but these days I would recommend a low-end
Intel Atom-based pc instead. You can run it headless (no monitor or
keyboard), just like a NAS. They are generally more flexible, with more
computing power per $ than the typical NAS. And electricity consumption
can be comparable to a NAS, or even better if you employ power
management features that are standard on a PC but often missing on a
NAS. I put together a simple headless pc for under $300 -- and that was
2+ years ago, you could do much better now.

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mini-desktop'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032)
(Debian Lenny 5.0.6) feeding: Living room: SB Touch 'NAD C325 BEE'
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'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html);
Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2'
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'AudioSource Amp100'
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'JVC JA-S44'
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'AudioSource Amp100'
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'Polk Atrium 45'
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'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0'
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Thanks, you guys.  I am on whatever standard version was current
yesterday; that's when I downloaded and installed it.

At this point, it seems my choices are to (1) go to FLAC; (2) try that
Beta SBS; (3) buy a new NAS and hope that would help; or (4) endure the
occasional stoppage and hope for a new version soon.

I may also try reinstalling and running SBS on my PC and see if that
helps, I guess.  I could point it at a different music folder.


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aubuti;629072 Wrote: 
 I'm not a lawyer, but I have researched it some. In some countries
 buying the CD only gives you a license to listen to the music, and you
 transfer that license when you sell the CD. I'm no fan of the
 music/entertainment corporations, though I am a fan of many artists.
 From a copyright standpoint it's no different from the original Napster
 or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted content via torrent. But as
 you say, that's a digression.

I'll stand by my quote above as for US law being unclear on this issue,
but I know the laws vary from country to country.  Honestly, I had never
even considered the issue before, it just seemed so obvious to me, even
though I am a lawyer. But now that I consider it I do now understand
your position.

 What many of us do is keep one lossless copy for home use and a lossy
 copy (like MP3 or AAC) for portable use. ... Rip once to lossless, then
 you have a perfect copy you can use to create parallel lossy library.

Yes, if I can figure out which programs to use for that process, I may
take that route.  I normally set iTunes to down-convert the files I put
on our iPods anyway, for the reasons you say, but that makes synching
painfully slow.

 the client/server model still applies in many ways.

OK; that's starting to make sense now; thanks.

 I would recommend a low-end Intel Atom-based pc instead.

And just leave it running 24-7?  That's cool.   Could I just throw one
of my NAS hard drives into it?  What OS do you use on it?


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Zonker92;629074 Wrote: 
 I'll stand by my quote above as for US law being unclear on this issue,
 but I know the laws vary from country to country.  Honestly, I had
 never even considered the issue before, it just seemed so obvious to
 me, even though I am a lawyer. But now that I consider it I understand
 your position.
Thanks for the link to that interesting forum thread. US law is very
unclear on the matter, as von Lohmann himself admitted. Other countries
are very clear on the topic, in either direction.

Zonker92;629074 Wrote: 
 Yes, if I can figure out which programs to use for that process, I may
 take that route.  I normally set iTunes to down-convert the files I put
 on our iPods anyway, for the reasons you say, but that makes synching
 painfully slow.
Lots of programs will do FLAC to MP3. Fewer will do ALAC to MP3 (or
ALAC to FLAC). A couple good ones are dBpoweramp (www.dbpoweramp.com)
and foobar2000 (www.foobar2000.org). 

Zonker92;629074 Wrote: 
 And just leave it running 24-7?  That's cool.   Could I just throw one
 of my NAS hard drives into it?  What OS do you use on it?
Yep, 24/7. Or use the ServerPowerControl plugin and have it
automatically go into suspend mode after all Squeezeboxes have been
inactive for X minutes. Then wake the server back up via the Touch,
which sends a Wake-on-LAN packet to the server.

As long as the size and interface of the NAS hard drive is compatible
with the pc, no problem transferring the drive from the NAS.

I chose Debian Linux for my box because (a) I think *nix is a lot
better than Windows for set-and-forget server applications like SBS,
and (b) the price was right (free). Initially I was using Ubuntu Linux
on the box.


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Cool; thanks again.  I am thinking it's probably overkill to replace my
NAS just to get this one issue ironed out; I should probably just
convert my files to FLAC and be done with it.  I just need to figure
out where to put them; I have 47% of each of my RAID hard drives used
up with files already, but maybe there's room there for the FLACs, too,
until I delete the ALAC files or archive them elsewhere.  

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