Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Spread Ubuntu
2009/11/4 Martin Owens : > So far I see it as our best focus point for the Ubuntu Marketing group. +1 All nice ideas for features. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet again!) with a focus on simple activism
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM, John Vilsack wrote: > While I appreciate all this newfound enthusiasm about planning, > planning to plan, voting to meet, meeting to vote, and planning to > plan a plan about voting to vote to meet if we need to vote on a > meeting, I'm going to proceed with the meeting on November 11/12. My comments were not intended to encourage (nor did they in fact encourage) the idea that you need to overplan a meeting or vote on anything. I definitely think the team should have a meeting. But, I'm simply encouraging the team to focus at the meeting on discussing how to define your projects better, and how to get things done. I'm not intending to contribute directly in the Ubuntu Marketing Team. I'm simply, as an observer and Community Council member, trying to help with a possible way of moving forward. The reason I intervened was that I felt that there was too much talk about the need for leaders, and not enough talk about the need to develop focused projects for the team to work on. I've seen Paolo and others succeed with this in the Italian Marketing Team, in very similar circumstances to those which are currently challenging this team, and I believe that it can work for this team too. I think the point has been taken so I wish the team good luck with the meeting and going forward. I'm happy, and I'm sure the whole Community Council is too, to review the team's organization and planning whenever appropriate, and to give advice. That's what we are here for, to ensure that different areas of the community can develop in a healthy and successful way, and I'm personally pleased to see the marketing team giving it another crack. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet again!) with a focus on simple activism
2009/11/3 John Vilsack : > My ideas on the matter are very similar. There is no need to > "appoint" people into roles of leadership. If people want to sign up > to be leaders, then they should be welcomed with open arms. Well, I think as a general proposition that this, without more, is a bad way to appoint leaders in any community, whether a democracy or a meritocracy as ours is. But I don't think your email is in the wrong direction generally: we seem to agree that the key is to develop a focused and well defined set of aims and projects. I think the key to giving the team structure is to define its projects better, because people have a lot of ideas on this list and they need to be channelled into a concrete direction. I would suggest that the team get together to discuss requirements that each project should have, a process for discussing and approving them, people involved, and then most importantly, implementing them! That will ensure that each project that the team works on will have a focus and definition. Again, I'm deriving this from watching the Italian team do the same thing, pretty successfully, in similar conditions. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet again!) with a focus on simple activism
Just to weigh in briefly on this discussion, as an outsider to the team but as an observer for some time and with some experience of various teams growing up around the Ubuntu community. I think that one of the messages that Ruben has identified is definitely a valid one: that you don't get leaders in this community by appointment at the outset of a project. People grow into leaders and get recognition and validation as leaders by doing good work and leading by example. What the marketing team very clearly needs is some focused and achievable tasks which are done regularly (producing materials, updating the pre-release feature documents, etc etc). I think that a leader will grow out of the team once that is done. There are plenty of good people on this list and plenty of people doing great marketing work in local community teams so I'm confident that that will happen when some focused projects are established. With that in mind I'd encourage Paolo during the meeting to set out what he's done with the Italian Marketing Team because this is a good example of identifying focused projects, and addressing them. The same applies to others with similar initiatives in other local teams. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Hopeful News for a 2009 Advertising Campaign
Hi Ronnie,
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> OK, here's a 'beta2' of the WhyUbuntu comparison video I was working on.
> Completely remade in Sony Vegas (thanks for the tip Jacob!) clocks in at
> 50 secs, and using a bit more pizazz this time. This is much closer to
> my original idea...
{snip}
> All comments welcome.
I like this - if the quality of the video can be improved then it will
be effective. I particularly like the way you've gone out and got a
mockup going quickly for discussion. A few suggestions:
1. I think the effect would be clearer if you followed each of the
subtitles for the Windows applications with a question mark, and
prefaced each Ubuntu application with the word "Try" or something
similar. e.g.:
"Microsoft Word?" [pause]
"Try Openoffice.org Writer"
2. Amarok doesn't ship with Ubuntu, I think you should use Rhythmbox
instead. Obviously, a separate video could be produced for Kubuntu...
3. I think the "most important of all" bit before Solitaire should be
removed - although I appreciate the effort of trying to inject a bit
of humour into the video, I'm not sure everyone will get it and
probably that space could be better used to show that Ubuntu has a
wide range of games available.
Those are just my immediate thoughts on a quick viewing of the video -
take them or leave them. :)
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] use of Launchpad mailing list
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Rubén Romero y Cordero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Matthew East wrote: >>> >>> I noticed recently that there is a ~spreadubuntu team in Launchpad >>> with its own mailing list. > > SpreadUbuntu is to be understood as a subteam of the marketing > team, but also as a *normal* opensource project in the sense that we > plan coding and using branches extensively. The marketing-team list is > a discussion list, while the SU list will be more of a technical type > of list to discuss what we want into the project and eventually > technical > details about our code. I don't think that distinction is significant enough to warrant a separate list. In particular, the marketing team mailing list is *exactly* the right place to discuss what the team wants from the spreadubuntu project. In fact, discussing those details elsewhere is simply inviting fragmentation within the marketing team. The spreadubuntu project, if done properly, could be a good way to focus the marketing team on getting some work done. It falls directly and squarely within the marketing team's competence and goals. >>> It's generally desirable for projects in the Ubuntu community to use >>> an existing list rather than begin a new one. Further, as you may >>> know, we prefer that recognised projects use Ubuntu mailing lists at >>> this time, rather than Launchpad mailing lists: >>> > > I did notice this, but as much as we are part of the ubuntu community > we need a channel of communication as an open source project as such, > more than as a discussing team/subgroup within another team. You've missed my point here. New projects in the ubuntu community, as the page I quoted makes clear, should request mailing lists on lists.ubuntu.com and not on Launchpad. In this case, I think the spreadubuntu list was probably created before that policy was properly communicated to the Launchpad mailing list administrators, so that's the reason the list was approved. But in any event the main point I want to make is that it shouldn't be required at all. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] use of Launchpad mailing list
I noticed recently that there is a ~spreadubuntu team in Launchpad with its own mailing list. I'd like to request that this sub-project of the marketing team uses the regular marketing team mailing list for discussions: with all the difficulties that this team has had lately with finding a direction, the last thing that it needs is for a project that could potentially actually get some work done to be branching off and working on a separate mailing list. It's generally desirable for projects in the Ubuntu community to use an existing list rather than begin a new one. Further, as you may know, we prefer that recognised projects use Ubuntu mailing lists at this time, rather than Launchpad mailing lists: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/CreatingTeamGuide#Mailing%20List -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] New mailing list for submitting and discussing news, events and meetings
I'm pleased to announce the creation of the ubuntu-news-team mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team The list is the single and authoritative place to submit and discuss news stories, events and meetings in the Ubuntu community. It will be used by the Ubuntu Weekly News team and the Fridge team. The ubuntu-marketing-submissions and fridge-devel mailing lists are now *closed* and have been replaced by this single list. This is part of an initiative to unify the mailing lists and resources used by all the various initiatives dealing with news in the Ubuntu community, to provide them with single resources and to assist the people dealing with them to share efforts and work more efficiently. The full rationale and implementation behind this initiative is outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews So, when submitting news, meetings or events within the Ubuntu community for inclusion in UWN or on the Fridge, please remember to write to the ubuntu-news-team mailing list. Thanks! -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Unified Ubuntu News Mailing List (Re: [Ubuntu-fridge] Action Requested: Fridge LP mailing lists)
Hi, On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Jordan Mantha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Albisetti wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I personally > >> believe it's very important in Ubuntu to limit the number of lists as > >> much as possible, and think that each group has enough to share with > >> and learn from each other to justify a single list. Having a separate > >> list just to discuss things like theming seems overkill to me. > > > > I fully agree with this, and was my main reason for trying to create a > > -news team. > > Stop duplicating efforts, centralize all news flow in one place, and > > share as much as possible. > > There is no question on this subject, we all agree on that. I just > wanted to separate "submission and working on news" from the various > technical/operational tasks we also do. > > In the end I guess I'm with Joey on this. I personally feel like using > the LP list for fridge development discussion would be good but I don't > want to stand in the way of progress so if people want a single list we > can shut down the LP list too I guess. I've discussed this with Joey and we've formulated a plan to move this discussion forward. We propose to implement the specification described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews by shutting down the fridge-devel and marketing-team-submissions lists and transferring subscriptions to the new ubuntu-news-team list. I will liaise with Martin to make sure that this is as smooth as possible - it is key that we ensure that people accustomed to writing to the fridge-devel mailing list are inconvenienced as little as possible. I'm copying this email to the marketing team for their information. The debate among the Fridge team at the moment is whether a single list to discuss all news related issues will be satisfactory in circumstances where the Fridge team occasionally uses their mailing list to discuss specific technical issues relating to the UI. Joey and myself suggest that we proceed on the basis of the spec as it is now, and then after it has been in operation for a few weeks, reassess the position about whether a separate mailing list is necessary. That way we can debate to our hearts' content about this question, but the debate doesn't remain a blocker on the spec being progressed. I've updated the spec to reflect this. Please holler if you have any questions or objections. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)
Hi, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Craig A. Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information > in a location that one would expect. Normally, meeting information is > posted to the Fridge. From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu Weekly > Newsletter. People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the > Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and locations. > Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar. I think the tone of your response was way over the top. Yes, the meeting time should have been posted to the Fridge, but the marketing list was sent a clear message with the meeting information and a reminder of it... I am pretty sure that the majority of those interested were aware of it. A friendly nudge to post the meeting time to the Fridge would have been enough. > Google Calendar. I can't even begin to think of one good reason > for using that. Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept > Google-analytics. I don't accept Google-analytics. At all. Ever. I > do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around > and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I > don't want. That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that > calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and > exceptionally hard day at work. It's more abusive than the > overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you > around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong. It's more > ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know everything > that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the > Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master know > what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't > appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company). I don't DO Google > Calendar. Period. With such a violent disagreement with Google Analytics, be sure to avoid using the Ubuntu website, wiki and help website. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Correct branding for Ubuntu
Hi, Is it still true that the correct branding for Ubuntu is "Ubuntu" rather than "Ubuntu Linux"? I've seen some instances of the latter appearing on the website, for example in the recent news article: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/obsidian-linux-training-south-africa Is this an intentional change or is it appropriate to file a bug about that? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Shift linux is now based on Ubuntu
Hi, On Jan 28, 2008 11:48 PM, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I imagine it will end up in the UWN, but would file a bug againt the > ubuntu-website product to get it listed on the website? Unfortunately, the website no longer listed unsupported derivatives. You could include it here though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN translations
Hi, Copying your email to ubuntu-translators, which is the best list for this. On Jan 29, 2008 7:24 PM, John Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > > If you haven't noticed, i've been on a crusade to get more translations > of the UWN up and running. So far we now have translations into French, > Spanish, Russian, and Italian. Today I sent an email to the Portuguese > team trying to drum up some interest. If anyone can help or put me in > contact with someone, please let me know. Japanese, Taiwanese, Dutch, > Scandinavian, Chinese, etc. Any major language where we can reach more > Ubuntu users. > > Thanks > johnc4510 > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Unified resources for News
Hi, This has been (partially) discussed on this list before, but I'd like to get going and implement the spec. The proposal is to create a single mailing list for all news-related initiatives to use to coordinate their projects. The list would replace the existing fridge-devel and ubuntu-marketing-submissions mailing lists, which perform overlapping functions (i.e. for users to submit stories and news). The full spec is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews I believe it's fair to say that the Fridge team is broadly ok with the spec. Is the UWN team also happy with it? If possible I'd like to involve the Full Circle team too. This will leave the marketing team list to deal with marketing (not news). -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Let People Know the Wireless Devices that Work with Ubuntu Could Help with Marketing
Hi, On 30/10/2007, Dalton Miyabara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way to talk to the docummentation team to work together with us to > make this search utility better? The documentation team is quite easy to contact, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact It's not really a question of working "with" the marketing team, just a question of the docteam creating this feature for the documentation site. It's quite difficult to do for various reasons. I'd be happy to discuss it more on the docteam mailing list. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Let People Know the Wireless Devices that Work with Ubuntu Could Help with Marketing
Hi, On 30/10/2007, Dalton Miyabara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw that main page help.ubuntu.com doesn´t have any search box. People use > google to find their answer in a search box, why do they need to find their > answer looking into all the pages of the Ubuntu documentation instead of just > write the words in a simple search box? If you're interested in writing a search utility for the documentation website, please contact the documentation team. Thanks -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Screencasts
Hi all, On 10/10/2007, Gerry Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Alan > > I am going to ask Kat to call you to go through the options here. I > think it would be great to link to the screencasts at launch (or sooner) > so that people not moved to download can see what the fuss is all about. > > Kat will work with Matt for the best way to present these - I want to > link to your site rather then pull all the files over but keeping > screencasts as a permanent and prominent linked part of Ubuntu.com is > the right thing to do i think. Just one further clarification: the screencasts are not designed as marketing videos, but are rather explanations about how to do a particular task on Ubuntu. There is obviously an overlap between the two concepts i.e. screencasts can be very useful marketing, especially if, as you identify, there is one which showcases features of Ubuntu, and demonstrates the desktop in general. As I understand it, the screencasts project doesn't current have that aim, although perhaps it could be extended. There is obviously a further overlap, in that good access to clear explanations of how to install Ubuntu is obviously helpful from a marketing perspective. However, in relation to screencasts which are pure instructions on how to accomplish a particular task, I think it's important to recognise that screencasts are essential one aspect of documentation: text and video in the context of *instructions* are essentially two sides of the same concept. Video is cool and flashy, but text has its uses as well. I think we should try and promote the two together, in the sense that users who we are showing instructions to should be presented with either an option of whether to follow text instructions, or video instructions. Ideally, they'd get both at the same time, integrated. I'd like to work with Alan if possible to develop ways to integrate screencasts into the online and system documentation. I'm saying this without any pretence of independence, in the sense that I am heavily involved in the documentation team, who produce the "text" side of things, so I'm biased, in one sense. However, in another sense I'm not, because my aim is to try and make sure that different "media" for portraying instructions are thought of in the same way in terms of promoting their use on the website and the desktop generally. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] New members in UWN or separate announcement?
Hi, On 04/09/07, Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > N Ali wrote: > > On 9/3/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hello :D > >> > >> I wanted to run something by all of you before proceeding. > >> I while back I got an email from Mark asking me if we could send out a > >> separate email for new member announcements instead of including in > >> the the UWN so it would be highlighted a bit more. > >> Matthew made a good point about the UWN being *the* place to announce > >> that kind of news, and I actually agree. > I don't mind if it's in both a standalone announcement and UWN. UWN is > an awesome 'zine :-) I have to say that having seen Martin's latest email to -news, it looks great in a separate announcement. Is this more effort to maintain, or can things simply be copied from the UWN entry? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's > site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think > that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more > ;-) I understand that, and hadn't intended to be curt. I wrote to John off list with a fuller explanation, but the reason why I think it's worth getting to the bottom of this is that the marketing team currently lists this website as one of its projects. Now, obviously it's totally fine for an individual to have their own site and take care of it as they wish without reference to a community team (there are some great sites out there that do just that), but it's important that the team clarifies for its own purposes how and to what extent it can contribute ideas and new features for the site (especially if the alternative is to develop another similar site). Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, what technologies can be used to make them, etc? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. > > > > John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com > > site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer > > comments or ratings however. > > > > At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with > > dailymotion.com et al, so unless someone else peeps up, I'll embark on > > more discussion with these web 2.0 type video community chappies. The > > best videos uploaded to their channels could then be replicated to > > ubuntuvideo.com > > > > Cheers > > > > Chris > > Going once, going twice :-P Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities to this site, if that's what the marketing team would like to do. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise
Hi, Adding Joey to cc (Joey, see below: please pass on if appropriate). I tend to agree. Having a new, different slogan on the back of the ladies t-shirt seems to be singling out a particular type of user. And given that the idea behind the original slogan was that Ubuntu makes linux easier for a category of people (human beings) who are less able than geeks to understand technology, it's easy to see how people might get the impression (however unintentional) that the new slogan attempts to suggest that women are less able than other types of human beings. On a related note, if new slogans are going to be developed (although I don't know how much this new slogan is intended to be used in other fields, I suspect not), it would be pretty cool to involve the community in such discussions so that their ideas and objections like this could be taken into account. Given that Ubuntu is a community-driven distro, I think that it would be justified to involve the community in that sort of discussion: the marketing list would probably be the most appropriate place. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF On 20/08/07, Sarah Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey all, > > No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... > > http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ > > As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are > no longer human beings now? > > [19:15] i'll defer to the "ladies" on whether it is or not, > but i would read that line as "because normal linux is too hard for ladies" > [19:18] hmm... that'd imply that ubuntu's "linux for human beings" > implies normal linux is too hard for humans? > [19:19] That and the men's shirt says "linux for human beings" > implying that ladies are some weird subset with these odd sticky out bits. > [19:24] yup, saw it, it really sucks > > [19:26] well, we're not human beings anymore. I guess :) > [19:26] according to Ubuntu at least :P > > > This is important, as it seems to be (unintentionally, i'm sure) > offending half of the world's population, and so therefore half of the > possible candidates who may end up using Ubuntu. > > It's food for thought, at least - please CC the relevant people beyond > this mailing list. > > Hobbsee > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGyYcN7/o1b30rzoURArxlAJ9Tg+7HFApn6hkyiDTzQmaAitFBAgCfcfvw > iINED/eBd57zzch/udUGE/A= > =ajDo > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Hi, On 19/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew East wrote: > > On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or > >> Ubuntuvideo.com. > > > > If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a > > substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing > > team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss > > how to resolve that. > > I would prefer to regard the putting right any lack in the particular > Ubuntu team as a separate project activity, and I would not want it to > prevent the main idea, which is to use actually do Marketing. Let us > run with the offer? Feel free to correct my understanding but I think you're pushing at a different door. Ubuntuvideo.com doesn't host videos; it streams them and is a site which I think can be used to front the project: i.e. to promote videos, allow users to vote on them etc. As for hosting, free hosting is available from youtube and archive.org which I believe Alan Pope used for screencasts.ubuntu.com, but if better offers for hosting videos produced by the marketing team come in, then there is no reason not to consider them. As for videos produced by others which are already hosted around the internet, hosting isn't needed for those, it's just the "viral" part of the project which then comes into play. Or have I misunderstood? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/08/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or > > > Ubuntuvideo.com. > > > > If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a > > substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing > > team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss > > how to resolve that. > > > > -- > > Matthew East > > Hey Matt, > > Which is one of the reasons I don't want the viral video project to > reside under one person's control. You loose that person, you loose > the project... This was one of my arguments against hosting on > privately owned servers under privately registered domains. It's > better to spread the risk a little methinks ;-) Agreed. I'll contact John by email to see if we can talk about making the site a more community run project; and we'll see how that goes. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or > Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Recent poor publicity - response?
Hi all, (Jono and Matthew cc:ed) A thread on the -uk list has highlighted the recent poor publicity that Ubuntu has had as a result of the recent problems with the local community run servers, in particular on slashdot (http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/15/1341224.shtml). Does the marketing team have any ideas about a possible way to respond to this publicity? The recent article in the UWN includes one sentence which attempts to do that, but it's not a very comprehensive response. One idea might be to post an article on the Fridge with an honest explanation and detail of what was done to solve the problem, and (if applicable) how it could have been avoided with regular security updates, as freely provided by the Ubuntu team. See for example: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=270335&cid=20236563 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=270335&cid=20236611 What do people think? Can bad publicity can be turned into good publicity? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [OFFLIST] Fwd: Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Hi, On 15/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If that's the way you have decided to take this forward then I > > > sincerely hope it's successful. > > > > > > > That sounds like you're pulling out because you disagree with one decision > > about the hosting of the project? Why's that? > > Not at all - I'm a bit miffed that my concerns at it being more > awkward to bring what's needed to the project by using ubuntuvideo > seem to be being overlooked I'd like to emphasise that from my point of view you should never feel that I'm not listening to your position. I can understand that it's often difficult to understand other people's points of views when you've already elaborated your own plans for a project. However, it's simply not true that your concerns have been overlooked: so far I've taken care to address each of them individually (see your points (a), (b) and (c) at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2007-August/002212.html). If you don't accept that drupal (which is the software used by ubuntuvideo.com) has the appropriate features which this project needs, then it's important for you to explain why, because so far you haven't done so. Also, you should address our point that creating an entire site from scratch will be more difficult than extending the existing site using recognised plugins which have the relevant features, not to mention the fact that developing a website which overlaps with an existing one dilutes the effect of both. > To be fair, what I don't want is for people to hand down direction, > and for me to be left running around doing the actual work. Input is > fantastic, and I love working with others, I just want everyone to get > their hands dirty :-D Handing down direction is an ugly phrase: the issue in this thread should be discussed by the whole team and a consensus will come out of that discussion. Getting hands dirty is a separate question. Regardless of the outcome of the issue being discussed in this thread (i.e. software / url to use for this project), the project will still require people to contribute, especially yourself (as Alan points out). Hopefully, reusing an existing site will mean that the "getting hands dirty" part can be focused less on the creation of the host and more on the creation and circulation of the videos themselves. > > > All I ask is please lets not turn this in to yet another 'all talk and > > > no action' project. We need physical input and assistance as well as > > > talk. Things don't happen just through suggesting them. > > > > > > > If you walk away then this is _exactly_ what will happen. :( Absolutely right. It would be a real shame for you to be discouraged by anything in this thread. Working in a free software community requires a good amount of patience and compromise. Since I've been involved in the Ubuntu community, I've been "knocked back" a number of times when an idea which I was *so* sure was completely watertight wasn't accepted by others; each time I've come to understand that in fact that was either because I hadn't presented it properly or because it wasn't as watertight as I thought: in any event it's very important to understand that discussion like this enriches the project rather than damages it. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Offlist, since I won't add much to my previous post. On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back on list. > > > > Sorry, the marketing list confuses me! I keep forgetting you have to > cc it back in when your reply to a post --- Doh. > > > I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of > > ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos, > > it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears > > under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project. > > > > I've not missed the point mate ;-) I just disagree with you! That's fine: what you said in the passage from your email which I quoted about informational videos led me to believe that you might have. > I've spoken to a few people on and off list about this, and using > ubuntuvideo.com has never surfaced as an idea. In fact, this email was > preceded by a conversation with Corey off list about domain > registration and hosting for a new site. That's also fine: Corey may also not have considered the idea of using an existing initiative with similar goals for the project. > > Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating > > overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing > > initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now > > and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every > > new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have > > missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show > > me why I'm wrong; let's see. > > I think that the important aspects of the project are to create a medium that: > > a) allows people to submit videos Ok, I think that's no problem: drupal (used on ubuntuvideo.com) does this out of the box. > b) allows visitors to vote on videos That's definitely no problem: drupal has such a module. > c) tracks the viral spread of videos You mean like pingback? I don't see that drupal will have a problem with that either. > From a business point of view, I'd tend to look at the success of a > medium before embarking on a project. Take a look at firefoxflicks.com > - It's been pretty successful. I think that it stands as a good ideal > to aspire to. I agree. > Lets step back, take a breather and think carefully before jumping > onto the skirts of another website that mightn't meet our needs as > well (even patched up) as creating one ourselves. I for one am not > afraid of a little hard work - the easiest path doesn't always return > the best results. I would agree if the other website didn't have similar goals and I didn't think that ubuntuvideo.com can't meet your needs: right now I simply can't see why it can't. I'll step back now because I'm not a regular contributor to the marketing team and it's definitely right that the team decides the best way forward; but I've seen so much effort spent on developing new websites rather than producing marketing material that I just wanted to inject some caution and present my point of view. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Back on list. On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > > How about http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ ? If you work with this existing > > resource, then you will avoid having two sites with the same purpose, > > you won't need to reinvent any wheels with setting up the site, and > > (shock horror) you'll be able to focus on actually getting things done > > and making videos. > > Perhaps you've missed the point of the idea, but this project has > nothing whatsoever to do with creating help/informational or demo > videos for Ubuntu. I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos, it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project. > Using ubuntuvideo.com just because it hosts videos seems rather > pointless and I think we'd loose the message along the way. Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show me why I'm wrong; let's see. > Without > delving into the nitty gritty, despite ubuntuvideo.com being a fine > site, it doesn't offer some of the features that would be required for > the project. Do you know if there are any features which you have in mind which can't be added by way of a drupal plugin? From a brief review of the Viral project wiki page, I can't think of one. If there are, I'd still suggest it will be easier to code a plugin than to develop a completely new site. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Hi, On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Just a quick note to keep you up to date on the Ubuntu Viral Marketing > project. > > Things are falling into place here > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuViralVideos > > I've not had much joy getting into contact with Mozilla, so we might > have to strike out on our own with the coding. > > First off, I guess its time to register a domain name. A couple of > ideas I've had are: > > www.ubuntuvids.com > www.ubuntuflicks.com How about http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ ? If you work with this existing resource, then you will avoid having two sites with the same purpose, you won't need to reinvent any wheels with setting up the site, and (shock horror) you'll be able to focus on actually getting things done and making videos. > Then we could do with a logo I guess. Anyone know any graphic artists > interested? Ubuntu has a logo! Each new initiative that is part of Ubuntu doesn't need its own logo... It's much more powerful if you simply use existing Ubuntu branding. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] heads up - Why Is PCLinuxOS 2007 Better Than Ubuntu?
Hi, On 14/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My agenda is to encourage success for ubuntu, not pclos. I'm sure that's true. The responses to your post are quite right however: from a technical point of view the article you've linked to is pretty inaccurate and poor quality. But to move this thread on, I think it's better to focus on your position that Ubuntu is losing out on popularity to PCLinuxOS, and be constructive: do you have any ideas about *how* Ubuntu can address the position. It's all very well to use the word "marketing" willy-nilly, but if that isn't backed up with proposals to do something positive, then it's not very useful. Here's one idea to kick off: perhaps writing a constructive response to articles like this might be helpful, pointing out all the mistakes (for example, that Ubuntu has also only been around for a few years, since 2004, that PCLinuxOS / Ubuntu both use apt, that codecs like those required to play mp3s are automatically installed when required, hardware support, and highlighting any advantages Ubuntu has, such as good security responses or whatever). -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu World Map
Hi, Back on list. On 13/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew East wrote: > > On 13/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> http://www.flippinsweetdude.com/maps/index.php > > > > Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide. This one you've > > posted appears to be a version of the one from frappr which is linked > > on that page. Ideally, we wouldn't have so many different incarnations > > of the same idea. > > The idea might be the same, but the ubuntu worldwide does not work > well. For example, it is not possible to see your own street. > And also , if several hunderd users are racing into a better version > which does allow good user feedback then this is an important issue. I agree: however the link you posted seems to me to be simply a reproduction of the existing frappr map, unless I'm mistaken. > From a marketing point of view I would not want to stop the enthsiasm > particularly I strongly prefer a map facility which will easily show > bracknell (me!) even though I am both maps. > The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide simply does not, and I > have stopped thinking it is useful, sorry. Although the map on the wiki is a bit more attractive, you are right that each have their pros and cons: it would be nice to provide a single resource which can be used by all. > ps > did you intend this discussion to be off list? No, sorry. I haven't got used to gmail yet. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Better involvement
Hi,
Adjusting quoting accordingly, and adding fridge-devel to cc: addresses.
On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:16 am, Kat Kinnie wrote:
> Dominik Wagenfuehr wrote:
>> my name is Dominik Wagenfuehr and I'm the team leader of the news portal
>> Ikhaya of the official German ubuntu forum [1]. As in most cases our
>> team is not paid for its work and we do most of it in our free time.
>> This leads to the situation that the greater German news portals [2] [3]
>> [4] are always faster than we can post something. So if they post some
>> Ubuntu news we need to "rewrite" their text and link to them. Some users
>> think that is is a little bit confusing since we are the official Ubuntu
>> forum. They ask why we do not know this news before others.
>>
>> So we thought maybe it's possible to create a better connection between
>> the Canonical/Ubuntu marketing team and the German news team so that we
>> can post Ubuntu news when they are really happening.
{snip}
> I appreciate the dilemma.
>
> 1. Unfortunately we cannot give anyone pre-notice of news. This is
> because we may have to pull news at the last moment depending on partner
> or customer requests or other internal considerations. This happens all
> the time. So we cannot manage having news with third parties and then
> trying to ensure that they pull the news also. It's not workable.
>
> 2. However, if you send me an email address we can ensure that the news
> is distributed to you at the same time as it goes to other news channels.
I think it's clear that asking for advance notice of sensitive news
information is inappropriate. However, some broader issues arise here
which I think the various news sources can work on.
We need an rss feed for the news section of the Ubuntu website - I'm
pretty sure we have a bug open about this and that Matthew is working on
it, so not too concerned about that.
More generally, it would be pretty helpful to have one central collection
of the various news sources - perhaps the Fridge could provide an
aggregated feed of its own stories, the Ubuntu website news section, and
any other Ubuntu news sources which we feel might be relevant?
Matt
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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Website News
Do people think that it is ever worthwhile including news items which appear on the Ubuntu website as fridge items too? I think since the two sites probably have very different readerships, it might be worthwhile doing Fridge stories on significant items appearing on the main website. For example, I just read this which got me thinking about the question: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org/ -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Small change in UWN
Hi, * Martin Albisetti: > Until we finally get the -news team going (still waiting on the > mailing list, and we have some things left to define with Matt and > Corey), I'm still going to use the -marketing ML :D Shall we have a short meeting about those outstanding issues? My last email didn't get any responses. > It has been brought to my attention that there is much work being done > to delegate the Ubuntu Membership process to the LoCo and other > critical groups of the community, thus, loosing a central place to > announce the new members (the CC meeting). That's sort of right. I've drawn up an initial outline (still for discussion) of Mark's idea to delegate membership approval to regional meetings - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StreamlineMembershipApproval > The proposal is to separate the UWN from the membership announcements > into to different emails, and have a by-weekly release of the new > members. Personally I don't think it's necessary to do this in separate emails - the UWN is already doing a good job of reporting new membership, and everyone should read the UWN :) I think that it will be enough to specify relevant information that should be supplied with each week's UWN about each candidate. So, short paragraph, wiki page, launchpad id etc. But no doubt the question of how best to do this will be up for discussion still, so perhaps it's best to wait and see what the outcome is. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Excuse the top post. I didn't have any replies to the below. I'm not sure whether that means that people agree or disagree - probably the latter. I apologise if I've come across too strongly on the issue - I am quite passionate about this point, but I don't think such a disagreement, if there is one, should prevent us going forward with the idea behind this proposal, which I think most people support. I'd like it if people would read the specification and we can discuss any outstanding issues, possible in a meeting as Martin suggested. * Matthew East: > Hi, > > * Corey Burger: >> Martin wrote: > >>> The idea would be to have an ubuntu-news team, which would in fact >>> just group all of us working on UWN, The Fridge, Ubuntu.com News and >>> FullCircle. >>> >>> Most of the current projects members overlap, as the news stories do, >>> so something useful for The Fridge, might also be useful for UWN. > > I think these projects should definitely be sharing resources, which is > why I made the suggestion in the first place. However, I think it's a > big mistake to create a new team, whose job is to look after all the > projects, at least at this stage. > > My main reason is that it's too large a change. Given that the projects > already have established processes and memberships, unifying resources > and creating a new team at the same time is making too many changes at > the same time. A team needs to have processes about people and project > management and each of the news initiatives that we've talked about > already have those in place. I wouldn't be against improving some of > those (in particular the Fridge which I've been involved in, because > we've talked about ways of improving the team processes many times), but > that is a separate subject. Taking these on at the same time is going to > lead to too much confusion and it's too ambitious. > > We may not be that far apart, I suppose. I don't have any seriously > strong objections to creating another launchpad team, as long as it is > an umbrella team made up of existing groups; and provided that it is > clear that the existing groups are the groups working on the various > related projects. > > Down the line we may wish to bring some of these groups together and/or > give them common processes, but in my opinion it's way too early for > that. I've learnt over the time I've contributed to Ubuntu that the most > important principle for working with communities is to take things a > step at a time, and in bitesize pieces. > >> If spam did not exist I would agree with you. So better to have two >> lists, one to collect the original sending with a reply-to to the 2nd >> list, the actual main discussion list. > > Strongly disagree. Spam on open lists isn't actually a serious problem. > A reasonable spam filter will always get rid of the vast majority, and > in any case you can just ignore it. > > I certainly don't think it's worthwhile having two separate lists, which > is (a) confusing for newcomers, (b) annoying in terms of requiring > everyone to subscribe to two lists. After all, if *one* of your two > lists is open, then everyone has to deal with the spam anyway. Or had > you envisaged that some people would subscribe to one list, and others > to another? I just think this will create too many issues unnecessarily. > > Matt > -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
An afterthough, as usual: * Matthew East: > * Corey Burger: >> If spam did not exist I would agree with you. So better to have two >> lists, one to collect the original sending with a reply-to to the 2nd >> list, the actual main discussion list. > > Strongly disagree. Spam on open lists isn't actually a serious problem. > A reasonable spam filter will always get rid of the vast majority, and > in any case you can just ignore it. > > I certainly don't think it's worthwhile having two separate lists, which > is (a) confusing for newcomers, (b) annoying in terms of requiring > everyone to subscribe to two lists. After all, if *one* of your two > lists is open, then everyone has to deal with the spam anyway. Or had > you envisaged that some people would subscribe to one list, and others > to another? I just think this will create too many issues unnecessarily. An idea might be to go with a single list, open to begin with. If people are willing to moderate the list so that genuine emails will go through, then I think we can switch it to moderation. This will be even easier when a webform is set up that can be accessed from the Fridge or the wiki. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi, * Corey Burger: > Martin wrote: >> The idea would be to have an ubuntu-news team, which would in fact >> just group all of us working on UWN, The Fridge, Ubuntu.com News and >> FullCircle. >> >> Most of the current projects members overlap, as the news stories do, >> so something useful for The Fridge, might also be useful for UWN. I think these projects should definitely be sharing resources, which is why I made the suggestion in the first place. However, I think it's a big mistake to create a new team, whose job is to look after all the projects, at least at this stage. My main reason is that it's too large a change. Given that the projects already have established processes and memberships, unifying resources and creating a new team at the same time is making too many changes at the same time. A team needs to have processes about people and project management and each of the news initiatives that we've talked about already have those in place. I wouldn't be against improving some of those (in particular the Fridge which I've been involved in, because we've talked about ways of improving the team processes many times), but that is a separate subject. Taking these on at the same time is going to lead to too much confusion and it's too ambitious. We may not be that far apart, I suppose. I don't have any seriously strong objections to creating another launchpad team, as long as it is an umbrella team made up of existing groups; and provided that it is clear that the existing groups are the groups working on the various related projects. Down the line we may wish to bring some of these groups together and/or give them common processes, but in my opinion it's way too early for that. I've learnt over the time I've contributed to Ubuntu that the most important principle for working with communities is to take things a step at a time, and in bitesize pieces. > If spam did not exist I would agree with you. So better to have two > lists, one to collect the original sending with a reply-to to the 2nd > list, the actual main discussion list. Strongly disagree. Spam on open lists isn't actually a serious problem. A reasonable spam filter will always get rid of the vast majority, and in any case you can just ignore it. I certainly don't think it's worthwhile having two separate lists, which is (a) confusing for newcomers, (b) annoying in terms of requiring everyone to subscribe to two lists. After all, if *one* of your two lists is open, then everyone has to deal with the spam anyway. Or had you envisaged that some people would subscribe to one list, and others to another? I just think this will create too many issues unnecessarily. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi, * Corey Burger: > Alright, so Martin kicked the ball going here and got an irc channel > up and running at #ubuntu-news. > > We chatted and the best division is probably this: > > -news: UWN, Fridge, ubuntu.com news > -marketing:DIY, alpha/beta release notes, tours, etc. > > Here are the bits that need to be decided: > - What to do with the fridge-devel mailing list? > - What to do with the marketing-submissions mailing list? I've begun drawing up a spec to consider a number of these issues, and others at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews > My gut feeling would be to make fridge-devel the ubuntu-news-team > mailing list, turn off the free submit and then make the > -marketing-submissions into -marketing-news-submissions to cover both > marketing and news inbound information. The reason I say keep one > submissions mailing list is that people sending stuff in are likely to > have no idea how we are going to use this information. I think we need one mailing list for all news related items. That was the whole idea. I'd suggest calling it ubuntu-news-submissions, and I think it should be free for all to post to, like the fridge-devel list is now. Then the marketing team can have whatever lists it feels are necessary (ubuntu-marketing, ubuntu-marketing-submissions); I'm not too concerned about that side because I think the marketing side of things should be separate from news. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
On Tue, May 29, 2007 12:27 pm, Jono Bacon wrote: > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 12:58 -0700, Corey Burger wrote: >> This seems like a sane idea. A few thoughts: > > I also think this sounds sane, but I also have similar questions to > Corey: > >> * Will creating this new time gut the marketing team? > > I wonder this too I don't think so - as Jenda said, it's not worth keeping alive a particular team by reference to a project that doesn't fall within its ambit anyway. But in any case, the marketing team has other projects and will develop those. > - I think the marketing team needs to be primarily > orientated around outreach and promotion, whereas the ubuntu-news team > is about news management for the community. So, in the nutshell > -marketing for communications outside the community, -news for inside > the community. Make sense? That's the idea, yes. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
* Jenda Vancura: >> Nope, the idea is that ubuntu-marketing-submissions and fridge-devel >> would be replaced by the ubuntu-news-submissions list; so in fact we >> would end up with one fewer. > >> Matt > > > Not necessarily - we might still keep ubuntu-marketing-submissions for > other purposes, purely marketing (such as submissions for the DIY project). > No one forces you to be signed up for that :) Ah, I haven't been following the DIY project much, but as I understood it, it was intended to be a better place to post do it yourself marketing ideas than the wiki... as such I kinda assumed that it would have at least an equivalent (or better) feature to the wiki's "Attach File" function and that a separate mailing list wouldn't be needed. Having said that, the devel team has two lists, so it's perfectly possible that the marketing team might be able to justify having two too; I just don't know what the justification is, because I'm not heavily involved in the team. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi Vid, Just to correct a couple of misunderstandings from my original post: * Vid Ayer: > On 5/28/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Let me be clear - I'm *not* proposing any kind of merging of the >> initiatives themselves, because I think that each of them has a specific >> and useful goal. I'm *not* proposing any change of personnel around the >> various initiatives. I'm simply proposing that the nature of the >> activities be recognised as common and people working from each should >> become part of the same team and share the same resources to work with >> (in particular the same mailing list). >> > > ...probably start by removing the term -marketing that got tagged with > the "Ubuntu news" aspect. Right, that's my proposal :) >> So in sum, I'd propose that those working on the Fridge and those >> working on the UWN become part of an ubuntu-news team, and work on a >> common mailing list called ubuntu-news-submissions (which in my view > > IIRC, the Fridge was supposed to be some kind of semi-official voice > for Ubuntu and we have Canonical employees there too, ... so has that > changed ? > > Some differences between UWN and Fridge that I see are : > * Fridge has a formal tone. This was what was told to us at the start > so will that change with the UWN being more informal and all ? > * Will this change the tone of the Fridge? What does Canonical have to > say on this ? I'm not proposing that the differences between the two change. In fact, I'm not proposing that either initiative change in any way for the purposes of this idea. However, the task of gathering news and coordinating news writing is common to both the projects (and others), so I'd like to bring the people involved closer and working on the same mailing list. >> could be renamed from the existing list called >> ubuntu-marketing-submissions). Such a team would be structured carefully >> in order to preserve the existing positions of editorship. > > please, not yet another list have a heart, I am on over 100+ lists > as is :-/ Nope, the idea is that ubuntu-marketing-submissions and fridge-devel would be replaced by the ubuntu-news-submissions list; so in fact we would end up with one fewer. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi all, I'd like to hear people's ideas on a proposal to create an ubuntu-news team. Here is my rationale. At the moment there are several initiatives around the Ubuntu community which deal with Ubuntu-related news, both internal and external. The two most prominent are the UWN and the Fridge. Other examples would be the magazine initiative, and the news section on the Ubuntu website. Currently all these initiatives are quite separate, in that occasionally material and editorship overlap but generally the two are separate. This position isn't efficient from a community perspective. It seems to me that the people involved with each have common interests (i.e. scouring the Ubuntu ecosystem for news and formulating stories from them). Let me be clear - I'm *not* proposing any kind of merging of the initiatives themselves, because I think that each of them has a specific and useful goal. I'm *not* proposing any change of personnel around the various initiatives. I'm simply proposing that the nature of the activities be recognised as common and people working from each should become part of the same team and share the same resources to work with (in particular the same mailing list). This would also improve the ease of contribution for people who would like to become involved in the various initiatives. Right now the fact that various teams exist makes it a bit complicated in terms of becoming involved. In particular, the fact that the UWN is within the realm of the "marketing team" is not obvious for a newcomer to the community, because "marketing" generally involves the promotion of a product to new users, and the UWN (the goal of which seems to me to be aiding communication within the Ubuntu community) doesn't fall within that definition. So in sum, I'd propose that those working on the Fridge and those working on the UWN become part of an ubuntu-news team, and work on a common mailing list called ubuntu-news-submissions (which in my view could be renamed from the existing list called ubuntu-marketing-submissions). Such a team would be structured carefully in order to preserve the existing positions of editorship. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. After a consultative period, if people are generally positive about the idea, maybe we can start talking about ways to take this forward. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] How to Change the Splash Screen Text
On Tue, April 24, 2007 12:14 pm, Mike Feravolo wrote:
> Hello:
>
> If anyone wants to know how to change the "scary" text on the Live CD's
> [that they burn themselfs] here is something that I posted on my unbuntu
> wiki page (below):
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeFeravolo?highlight=%28Mike%29%7C%28Feravolo%
> 29
{snip}
> It's kind of rough but it add a few screen snaps and rewrite the dialog
> to make it a little less technical, add a little bit of the case history
> info (to make it more "newsy") and it might just make a half-way decent
> full circle feature article.
Material which explains how to do something in Ubuntu is best suited to
the documentation website at https://help.ubuntu.com/community, rather
than magazine articles. If you add your material to an appropriate page on
that site, others will be able to analyse and improve it; and users
looking for documentation will be able to find it.
If you need any help contributing, please see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Italian translation of weekly news
On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 15:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 09:48 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I've noticed that there is a link on the UWN homepage to an italian > > translation. However, the Italian community already produces a version > > of the newsletter on its own wiki: > > > > http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana > > > > This newsletter incorporates your weekly newsletter and adds Italian > > specific news. It would be better to link to that, rather than > > encouraging duplicated work by arranging for a separate translation in > > Italian on the main wiki. > > Anyone working on the UWN got time to reply to this? Ok, don't worry - I got help in the irc channel and have amended the link. We can discuss the desirability or otherwise of localisations of the UWN on the other thread. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] French addons to UWN
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 09:49 -0700, Cody Somerville wrote: > Hello, > > I'll have to object. Language shouldn't be a barrier in this day and > age. People are interested in Ubuntu regardless if the work is done in > French, Spanish, German, or English. There should be a single version > of a UWN release with multiple translations. You're more then welcome > to place your stories in the UWN but I'd ask that you don't create a > separate "French Edition". I don't see why this is a bad idea at all. The Italian community has had a separate edition of the newsletter [1] and it has worked very well. First of all, it has an Italian style of writing and humour. Secondly it contains items which are of very little interest to the international community but are of interest to the Italian community. In particular, stories about community members, in jokes, and low level news about the community which the international community won't give two hoots about. It is, in fact, a genuine *localisation* of the UWN. [1] http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana I understand where you are coming from - you want to ensure that the international community doesn't miss out on relevant news from all over the world. You are quite right to have that in mind, but I'm afraid that trying to prevent local communities from developing their own personality/community is not the right way to go about it. Your concern can be handled by ensuring that everyone creating localised versions contributes to the international version as well by contributing relevant stories. I personally think that a good job of this is already done by publicising the UWN on the loco-contacts list. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Italian translation of weekly news
On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 09:48 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > Hi there, > > I've noticed that there is a link on the UWN homepage to an italian > translation. However, the Italian community already produces a version > of the newsletter on its own wiki: > > http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana > > This newsletter incorporates your weekly newsletter and adds Italian > specific news. It would be better to link to that, rather than > encouraging duplicated work by arranging for a separate translation in > Italian on the main wiki. Anyone working on the UWN got time to reply to this? Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Italian translation of weekly news
Hi there, I've noticed that there is a link on the UWN homepage to an italian translation. However, the Italian community already produces a version of the newsletter on its own wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana This newsletter incorporates your weekly newsletter and adds Italian specific news. It would be better to link to that, rather than encouraging duplicated work by arranging for a separate translation in Italian on the main wiki. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Gnome Control Centre
Il giorno ven, 30/03/2007 alle 12.37 -0700, Corey Burger ha scritto: > On 3/30/07, rohit sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have keenly been tracking progress of feisty fawn (since i plan to migrate > > to ubuntu linux). > > > > Whilst viewing the screenshots of feisty fawn's alpha releases i noticed a > > noteworthy change: the introduction of the gnome control center in the > > system menu. This replaced the preferences and administration tabs. not only > > was the control center a more visually appealing option, it was also easier > > to use as it categorized all the tasks (against the two over sized menus). > > > > Very unfortunately though, in the latest beta release the control center has > > been replaced by the same old tabs (preferences and administration). > > do hope you give a thought to the control center. > > > > sincerely, > > ruffrohit. > > This is certainly not the correct list to discuss this, but I will > tell you why the control centre was removed: it was too slow. The menu > opens on a cold boot in about 2 secs and less than 1 sec warm (after > the panel has cached the information). The control centre took about 3 > to 6 secs on the fastest of my machines. You then had to find it. So > not only was it slower, it didn't make anything easier to find (as 2-d > searching is slower than 1-d) for new people and make all that muscle > memory for exisiting users useless. In other words, it was a bad > change. > > What actually does need to happen is a merging of various > configuration options by upstream, in this case GNOME, to make the > list shorter, not a bandaid like the control centre. I'm not convinced that this is true. The control-center was removed because the code was extremely buggy, but as far as I know the intention is to work on that and include it with the next release. I personally think it is an excellent concept which is the way forward in terms of presentation of configuration options to the user. You're right that several configuration options need to be merged, but that is a separate consideration, which is also a goal for upstream and can be done together with implementing the control-center. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Meeting Minutes
Hi, On Mon, April 2, 2007 5:06 pm, Christophe Sauthier wrote: > On 4/2/07, Freddy Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There was talk about reviving Behind Ubuntu. I'd be willing to help out >> as >> much as possible with that. Thoughts? > I'd also volunteer to help with BehindUbuntu... let me know if there > anything I can do, or a call for participation... If people would like to do interviews on the wiki, we'd definitely like to promote them on the Fridge. The project could continue on the BehindUbuntu website, but it strikes me that it would be cleaner, simpler and easier to do it on the wiki and publicise them via the Fridge. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] feed back from a french user
On Thu, March 29, 2007 6:40 pm, manumuller wrote: > how can I find official information in french? See http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ We're working on ways to make this more obvious from the English Ubuntu website, but for now, you have to use Google or visit http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Wrong download link for feisty beta
Hi, On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 15:42 +0100, Michael Binder wrote: > Hi! > > I tried to download the latest beta of Kubuntu and the URLs on the page > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta to the download area are wrong. I've fixed these. In future, please report errors in the website on the bug tracker. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] testing/herd5 - Bug Report - Broken Links
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 17:01 +, Andrew Archibald wrote: > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5 seems to have been moved from the wiki > without updates to its relative links. For instance it now links to > http://www.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current when it should really be > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current . > > Hope this helps. Please report website bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs - we can keep track of them better, and the people working on the site are more likely to fix them. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Replace the UWN with something a little more "Social"?
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 13:45 -0500, Adam wrote: > Anyone who shows the ability to write a decent article should be > allowed to write for the fridge. If need be posts to the fridge could > require moderation from a specific group before they were allowed to > go public. This would ensure "quality control". Anyone who maintains > a decent blog is probably a good candidate for writing for the fridge > in this fashion. This isn't something that requires a "rethink" of the Fridge. It's already the case. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge for how to contribute a story to the Fridge. Obviously, the Fridge is primarily a news site, so marketing stories are appropriate and welcome. However, it's not a blog, so in my view personal opinions are not appropriate. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Control Center
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 17:49 +, Matthew Davis wrote: > Hi, > > I have been testing out 'Feisty Fawn Herd 4' and so far have found it > to be very good and have no problems. However the other day I updated > the system using the built in synaptic updater and since have lost the > control center feature on the main menu, I thought that this was a > very good feature and would, if possible, like to see it in the final > release. Is it at all possible to turn this feature back on? It has been removed by default due to significant bugs - it is simply not yet ready. You can turn it on by System->Preferences->Main Menu. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Replace the UWN with something a little more "Social"?
Hi, On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 12:09 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: > On 3/1/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no reason that the fridge cannot become this. There is > > > absolutely no reason to create yet another resource. > > > > > > Corey > > > > Well then, perhaps we should focus our resources on the Fridge as opposed to > > the weekly news letter? Would the marketing team members need special > > permissions/titles to post on this forum? > > Yes, but it is pretty easy to get. Coincidentally, the Fridge mailing > list was having a discussion about how to revive/kickstart the fridge. I personally think that merging UWN into the Fridge is a bad idea. The Fridge is a great place for people to contribute substantial articles and stories, and we definitely need to work on making it easy to contribute there. However, not all news items are interesting for the Fridge's userbase. The vast majority of the UWN is useful for people working *within* the Ubuntu community to keep in touch with other aspects of the community. As the community grows, the UWN gets more and more *vital* to ensuring that the community can keep in touch and avoid fragmenting. For example, active participants on the Forums can tell us what is happening there, active participants in the art team can do the same, and so on. We must not lose that. So, in sum: the Fridge and the UWN have differing functions, both of which are essential and shouldn't be lost. In order to gain contribution to the UWN, I'd suggest making smaller changes like being more active in encouraging participation, ensuring that the barrier to contribution is low, etc. > As for translations, I propose we do the following: > install a new drupal install, localized, at fr.fridge.ubuntu.com or > es.fridge.ubuntu.com. > translate each story as it is released (smaller stories are also > easier to translate) Generally translations are encouraged to be done on the various local sites. So for documentation, websites and other translations, we encourage the loco teams to present translations on their own websites. While that continues to be the case, we should do the same with news. For example, the Italian team publishes significant news items on its website and also publishes a weekly news with both international and Italian specific news, which has very much its own style and flavour. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN - gobby or wiki?
Hi, On Tue, February 20, 2007 6:05 pm, Julius Bloch wrote: > There are several adavantages for gobby I'm not directly involved in UWN, but it seems to me that these aren't real advantages, except for one. > * You don't need a special syntax, like the moinmoin syntax in the wiki Not a real distinction between the two - I understand that the UWN is published in the wiki so you should use that syntax (in reality it's still possible for people who don't know the syntax to contribute in either medium because others can tidy up the formatting of their contribution afterwards). > * More then one person a time can change the content That's the real advantage!! It would be cool to blend the functionality that gobby provides into the wiki software. > * You don't need an account I would have thought that the number of people who can usefully contribute to UWN who have not got a Launchpad account is as close to zero as makes no difference. In fact, as the original poster mentioned, there are some barriers to entry to gobby too (although surely there is a KDE frontend?). It seems to me that your second advantage can in any event be preserved by using gobby and allowing people to contribute anyway via the wiki. When a gobby session is open, there is probably a clever way to mark the wiki page as "edit in progress" and when it finishes, people can contribute on the wiki again. But as I said, I'm not familiar with the particular workflow of the UWN, so maybe that is not the way things are done. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Contribute to Ubuntu document
htps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/82388 I've attempted to start a discussion about whether the Contribute to Ubuntu document [1] would be appropriate to be transferred, incorporated or linked at the website at community/participate [2]. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate Please forward this email to any relevant people and make your comments on the bug report. Thanks, Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3
On Tue, February 6, 2007 4:12 pm, Craig Huffstetler wrote: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3 > > contains no data/information/files. When will they be up or re-put up? You have the wrong address. The correct address is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3
On Tue, February 6, 2007 4:12 pm, Craig Huffstetler wrote: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3 > > contains no data/information/files. When will they be up or re-put up? You have the wrong address. The correct address is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63890] Re: Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network
Yes, this isn't a bug. ** Changed in: Ubuntu Dapper Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network https://launchpad.net/bugs/63890 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Broken links in 'testing/herd2'
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 08:29 -0500, Seth Pellegrino wrote: > To whom it may concern: > > On the page http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd2 , all of the links under > the "Reporting Bugs & Testing" section tell me the pages that I have > requested do not exist. Please please please file bugs about these, the marketing team cannot help. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] herd 3 links
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 12:41 -0700, Christer Edwards wrote: > Is there an idea when the herd 3 links will be available? per the wiki > they are 404 not found. thanks > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3/ AFAIK Herd 3 hasn't been released yet. -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] your test pages as linked do not exist
On Tue, January 23, 2007 9:05 pm, Vance Greenway wrote: > on this page: > > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd2 > > the links under "Reporting Bugs & Testing" do not work. Please file a bug at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Forum/Mailing List deltas (was )
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 22:01 +0100, Jan Vancura wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew East wrote: > > Hi, > > > > * Jan Vancura: > >>> This is an old issue which I'd like to revisit. > >>> On our first meeting (or, the first recent one), we decided that we > >>> don't want a forum. I'd like to know if opinions have changed on this. > >>> > >>> Mine has been floating around a little bit. With a little bit of work, > >>> we could set up a bridge, that would crosspost to the list and vice > >>> versa. This has worked for the ubuntu-users ML for months (at least). > > > > Yes, good idea to get the forums involved, but a bridge is absolutely > > vital, to avoid splitting resources and forcing contributors to read > > them both. > > > > -- > > Matthew East > > http://www.mdke.org > > Ryan says a bridge is no problem at all. So - I'm just waiting to hear a > few more opinions, and then I'll head over and do it. ARGH! I had no idea it was so easy to set up a bridge between forum and mailing lists. I'm cc:ing -devel-discuss to this because it seems to me that having a bridge to that list from the forum would save a whole lot of effort on the part of those Forum Ambassadors. Coincidentally, I wrote this on the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumAmbassadors the other day. Also, I'd be very interested in one for -doc. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a single mailing list which wouldn't benefit from forum input in this way. -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The Marketing Team Asks for Your Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > This is an old issue which I'd like to revisit. > On our first meeting (or, the first recent one), we decided that we > don't want a forum. I'd like to know if opinions have changed on this. > > Mine has been floating around a little bit. With a little bit of work, > we could set up a bridge, that would crosspost to the list and vice > versa. This has worked for the ubuntu-users ML for months (at least). Yes, good idea to get the forums involved, but a bridge is absolutely vital, to avoid splitting resources and forcing contributors to read them both. - -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpTq8tSaF0w5rBv8RAtmkAJ48RD2th3QsBcIvXM6FeVFpnDi75wCdEwSx EoRPAgyNwYQIFVHuYMuPr64= =nhQM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 77311] Re: provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors
> (It would also be worth going through all the ubuntu-installling vendors > and making sure they are on the partners page of the website.) AFAIK that's not how the partners page works. Organisations need to apply for partnership status, Canonical doesn't chase organisations for it, that I know of. http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become -- provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors https://launchpad.net/bugs/77311 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63192] Re: Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu
As with bug 77311, please work with the marketing team to produce such a list, if the project takes off then we will be able to take appropriate steps in relation to the website. Closing this bug for now. ** Changed in: ubuntu-website (upstream) Status: Confirmed => Rejected -- Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/bugs/63192 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 77311] Re: provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors
If the Ubuntu marketing team is able to maintain such a list and provide it to us, I'm sure we will be able to make appropriate provision on the website. I suggest you bring it up on their mailing list for further discussion. Until then, I'll close the bug here. ** Changed in: ubuntu-website (upstream) Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors https://launchpad.net/bugs/77311 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu lite?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * SCPS SCPS: > Hi there, > Ubuntu light is no longer?? I had just downloaded Ubuntu and learned > how to use it and now I hear it is going away? I guess now I will > go with Suse. Is this a good choice or bad? There has never been an officially supported "Ubuntu lite". However, xubuntu is an officially supported derivative of Ubuntu which works well on older computers, give it a try: http://www.xubuntu.org - -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFogCVtSaF0w5rBv8RAq0nAJ9OkGLO7v001o/p6e8Fs5+iYdhAZgCfZVrE zYO2lbyAeV6ksdjzPWqa6Iw= =VmKy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] small suggestion for UWN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the section where you list new Ubuntu members, please include the urls to each new member's wiki page so that we can read more about them. - -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFn367tSaF0w5rBv8RAgVCAJ0TfHkYy1cISeEM99T/WNiRA4NqmACfV9g0 Gu/R9/04jC+IUJ2qCRjMH3w= =qNg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu 'Happy New Year' card ready for distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christina, * Christina Armstrong: > Hi All, > > We have designed an Ubuntu family 'Happy New Year' card for you to use > and send out, it is a 'png' file. > > I just wanted to a) let you know it is available and b) check the best > way of getting it out there - Should it go on The Fridge? people.ubuntu.com? We'd like to put it on the Fridge, but we're concerned at the absence of Xubuntu - people are likely to get offended. Is there a reason for the omission? Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFjYjztSaF0w5rBv8RAvvrAJ4qNQhroXpFkKe0PZAQJ9pODgN2qgCdFKb2 Qd+wtM3BkGXCepwdAXQb3Vw= =pygn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] web typo...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jae Stutzman: > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd1 Fixed, thanks. Please file any more bugs you find at https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bugs Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFeJpLtSaF0w5rBv8RAgn4AJoDefwf+ipAzkxdeDupofztNU/q3QCfaVpv DTmwNTFdakOL1bIUQdqkCPM= =VZMe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63192] Re: Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu
It's very difficult to fix this bug, because such a list would have to be maintained for the whole world. Some local community teams have made some efforts towards gathering such information (see for example the Australian team [1]), but I have the feeling that collating such information on a worldwide basis for the Ubuntu website would be a large job. It may be that the marketing team would be interested in trying to fix this bug, so I'll subscribe them to the bug report. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks -- Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/bugs/63192 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Managing Anything Goes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John, * John Baer: > Is there really any other way to manage anything goes? This is not the first time that you have sent a abstract, rambling, unfocused and unconstructive email to this mailing list. Please try and avoid this in future, and the team can continue to focus on its tasks and begin to be productive. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE31O1tSaF0w5rBv8RAnSNAJ43oL4/1mOsnqdaTL88/dXGLFxaggCfdneH 3H21B2dsAbZ4cnxC5r9OTAE= =0uL6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Values, easier said than done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jenda Vancura: > Whoa!!! > Actually, I never wrote that... what I wrote was: You've just reproduced exactly the same passage as Robert attributed to you in his email... word for word. M -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE2vo7tSaF0w5rBv8RAqT8AJ4/0HxFdhEqSIen7TUzYF0DnEfFvgCeLQPo gf51T8Mvx4GgK6+JVYUef4E= =gfQH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Purpose of the Magazine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Robert McWilliam: > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:13:59 -0400, "sara vasquez" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Robert, >> >> we talked about this before > > Where and when? I remember questions about who the magazine was > targeting and why a magazine was needed before but don't remember any > clear answers, and a search through the archives just now hasn't turned > up anything - which probably means it was sent last week and I am > somehow managing to overlook it :) > >> and we know that at the beginning the contetn would be similr I am >> even going to go and say taht perhaps all that content won't be on a >> formal magazine publication but be put up as articels on the fridge as >> we move foward we will get more content that would attract existing >> users.As for help.ubuntu.com i know many people feel that it is >> helpfull, but not atractive. We are aiming to make it more graphicl >> informatinve and graphical. we have actualy discuss how we can make >> the fridge and magazine interact but so far we have not come up with >> anything concrete. if you have any ideas let me know. >> > > My idea is a bit brutal: don't make a magazine but instead improve what > we already have. This is absolutely right. Robert's initial suggestion - contribute news articles to the fridge and documentation to help.ubuntu.com is exactly the direction that those who want to contribute these two types of information should be going in. Feel free to submit any ideas that you have for improving the layout and graphics of either the fridge or help.ubuntu.com as follows: * The Fridge - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * help.ubuntu.com - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both those resources are always looking for new ideas about how to improve, both in terms of presentation and in terms of content. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE2u7ptSaF0w5rBv8RAoFWAJ4t1fCV8MXr3VV8sFdXJjVuoKoAvACfZu4J tV6qhMRne+4+slpsoB/QV8Q= =Yai+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Focus on this mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, * John Baer: > The following is my response to Chris requesting more information and a > chance to participate. I have to say that I found your long email rather hard to follow. This mailing list is rather full of long, unfocused and rambling emails at the moment. There was really no need for you to embark on a long analysis of what you see as the fundamental aspects of the marketing project in order to ask what essentially were two simple clarificatory questions about the t-shirt initiative. Your mail could have been condensed in two and a bit lines: > What I am asking is the intent of this idea and the message to be > deliver? The scope of the posting is only a few days, is there some > urgency? I don't want to pick on John, because many others are also guilty of sending long rambling emails to the mailing list on the subject of "what is marketing". Don't get me wrong, defining a purpose is vital, but the time has arrived to try and get some focus on this team mailing list and stop the current flow of individual ramblings. What this requires is a few people to demonstrate some leadership and push the team in the right direction, focus on a small number of well-thought out projects, and enabling the enthusiasm which many people on this list demonstrate to be channelled into a productive direction. A few members have discussed this on the irc channel this morning, and Matthew Revell is going to produce a focused post which allows the team to discuss the direction of the team, and finally get some purpose. Let's all contribute by helping get this team on track and avoiding unfocused ramblings about the definition of marketing. Thanks for reading! Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE2b/0tSaF0w5rBv8RAgF7AJ9uR8rxxR/L6S+lGNefNgLRmk1j0wCeNmRQ uhpSv4zmKBmaCg2ex5PqBD8= =YV8L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Ubuntu Magazine market research
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Joey Stanford: > Vid Ayer wrote: >> Should the Magazine strictly cater to new users only ? Maybe we could >> also include varied content for other "not-so-new-to-Ubuntu" readers >> viz. our *current Ubuntu-user* base. This will ensure a larger >> readership. My 2 paise. > Vid, > > I've made this same point on past IRC meetings and here on the list. I > personally believe the magazine should cater to everyone but there are > strong voices that it should be more of a marketing tool (hence our > group's involvement) over a communications tool. If you are intended the magazine to be attractive to existing Ubuntu users, be aware that you are duplicating almost exactly the purpose of the weekly newsletter. You need to have a careful think about this. This team's primary goal is to get people using Ubuntu, and as a result you've thought about doing a Magazine targetted at new users. However, in my (limited) magazine-reading experience, I've never actually seen a magazine that is targetted at a readerbase which wasn't already interested in the particular product/activity. So people buy Windows magazines because they are interested in Windows, fishing magazine because they are interested in fishing, and Ubuntu magazines because they are interested in Ubuntu. I would have thought that flyers or leaflets are more commonly used to promote a product. For that reason, my view is that a magazine is unlikely actually to be useful for attracting new Ubuntu users. It would be useful for news and tips for existing Ubuntu users. Which is EXACTLY the purpose of the Weekly Newsletter. In my opinion, much of the enthusiasm that is being poured into the Magazine could be better focused there, by making the newsletter attractive to different areas of the community, pretty, and so on. Bear in mind that these projects are both being driven by volunteers, and as such are limited in time. Focusing on small achievable targets is a great way to start. It strikes me that for the Ubuntu community, generating a weekly newsletter AND a magazine might be a bit heavy going: I think we should work on pooling resources to get the newsletter running really well. There are my 2 cents. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEzddstSaF0w5rBv8RAoKRAJ0SEDcO8nCQF/8rklUxn96Q/yTWsQCfS8Ea CvzVleQvHDXznaeOzxQmgkM= =AYAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] website bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > BTW, the obtaining Ubuntu section of the FAQ has always, notoriously, > been outdated: Website bugs can be filed here: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEu2n1tSaF0w5rBv8RAgkPAJsGbJ+Rx8xo+EISsvpye/Ul1/gYBwCfdALT kSiro1N+vKPnlIEBBnfXA50= =FyGZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: MT goals, {was} Ubuntu Stickers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jan Vancura: > Vid Ayer wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> On 7/13/06, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> * Jan Vancura: >>>>> All profit belongs to the Marketing Team. >>> [snip] >>>> Do you think it is really necessary for the marketing team to >>>> have financial resources? I have to say that I don't at the >>>> moment. >>> I tend to agree. If I understand correctly, revenue generation is >>> not one of the goals for the Marketing team or is it ? Maybe I am >>> missing the picture or too many ideas are popping up resulting in >>> confusion for readers like me. > Think of it this way: I privately invest money in printing and sending > stickers (with risk to myself, too). I will inevitably have extra > money or a deficit in the end. If there's a deficit - I foot it. If > there's profit, I say it "belongs to the marketing team". I realise > now that it's not entirely correct to say so, because the team cannot > have property. From now on I will use "will be used for the benefit of > the marketing team and spreadubuntu". > > What I intend are small bounties, possible investment in next batch, > other material etc.. Bounties are a great way of motivating people. > One bounty was given out in the MT, by Lloyd Hardy - for the best > marketing idea (I don't remember what it was). The recipient decided > he would donate the bounty to a charity :). But taht's not a necessary > thing, of course. > > The whole initiative's purpose is NOT generating revenue, but it might > be a side effect. I have to say that I still think that this is quite a dangerous idea. If you are undertaking this project on the basis that you might lose or gain money, I think you should do so on the basis that it is your commercial initiative. I don't think there is anywhere near enough coherence about this so far to form the basis of a marketing team "budget" for bounties or such. For future marketing team initiatives, it might be best to consider whether to approach them on the basis of breaking even. For example, the documentation team publishes some of its books, and the purchaser pays exactly the price of publishing/postage. That way there is no problem with what to do with royalties, who holds them etc etc. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEugxutSaF0w5rBv8RAkzAAJ9Cs2MDgBqNJxyWEpaRxocruYVoSQCeOo+L m5yNQ1tgxj9QFX5gNJMu+uM= =WwlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: SpreadUbuntu has a Bazaar Branch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jan Vancura: > You can check it out with: > > "bzr checkout > sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu"; > > You will need the bzr package and a ssh key regged in launchpad to do > so. Everyone on the ubuntu-marketing launchpad team has access to that > bzr branch. Note, you need python2.4-paramiko for sftp too, it seems. And make sure you are connecting with your launchpad username (in my case sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEti64tSaF0w5rBv8RAv8dAJwNB6JIUV5RincsOkpeUgb+54xGdwCcCKzi w6GfTaia+d7IaCcZ3aFlhgA= =XRZG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Ubuntu Stickers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > All profit belongs to the Marketing Team. I'd be careful about this: a volunteer team can't actually own money... and if one individual is holding it on behalf of the team, it can cause difficulties because individual volunteers can come and go. Do you think it is really necessary for the marketing team to have financial resources? I have to say that I don't at the moment. But if the team decides that it is, think carefully about how to organise the funds and budgeting. Talk with Jane about that. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtgoWtSaF0w5rBv8RAux4AJ9OGeXUjAsXfXZDt7W/7/Pl+EeH8wCfdQU5 0pEoNW6uV90MbbBoLNzjnL0= =LqDH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Switching from Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Phil Bull: > Hi Jan, > > On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 17:21 +0200, Jan Vancura wrote: >> I'll just point out that this: >> http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html makes a list of >> alternatives rather redundant. > > The page you link to gives a list for Linux distros in general. The > intention of the 'Applications' chapter is probably more to introduce > new users to the alternatives which Ubuntu provides by default, and then > to offer some migration-relevant notes on format compatibility and the > like. We weren't intending just to list possible equivalents, although > we can probably use that link in the document for 'more information'. I'd like to see such a list. It isn't redundant at all, because more Ubuntu users are likely to see your document than the table on the above website. It's a useful resource though, nice spot Jan. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtLcZtSaF0w5rBv8RAgzwAKCG1xlaDwQ7I1onjJJv7vdIry0LxgCfawxH pgSCwTIZoXQooZpLLCobZM4= =c1+x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Rich Johnson: > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 04:04, Matthew Revell wrote: > [snip] >> Unless I've missed something, that would require FTP access etc, >> wouldn't it? That's an unncessary barrier to involvement. Wikis are >> proven to work for this sort of thing. They're not perfect, but >> there's one in place - let's use it. >> >> -- >> Matthew Revell >> www.understated.co.uk > Forgot all about that Matthew. He is right, in order to even host anything on > *.ubuntu.com you have to be a Canonical employee. Riddell already looked into > that for members of the Kubuntu team who actually are members of the CC and > what not. It was looked at as an option 1 or 2 meetins ago for Kubuntu. Ok, that is a bit confusing. To try to clarify: 1. That's not what Matthew R meant. This part of the thread is about how to develop ideas for the marketing team. Matthew R was just saying that restricting this to people with access to a server is unnecessarily restrictive, compared to working on a wiki, which is collaborative by nature. He wasn't referring to any restrictions on who can have access to what. 2. It's not correct that to host a site under the ubuntu.com domain you need to be a Canonical employee. I admin doc.ubuntu.com, and I'm not an employee. Lots of other docteam members have accounts on that machine without being employees too. 3. What I think you might have meant is that access to the Ubuntu datacenter servers is restricted to employees. That still isn't correct, although of course the list of people who have access to those machines is carefully controlled. But there is no reason why an Ubuntu related site cannot be hosted on a machine such as the docteam server to which non-employees can be given access. As has been said, we'll cross that bridge when and if hosting is needed. Hope this clarifies. Honestly I think that Robert's summary of the position a few emails back is enough really to put this thread to bed. I'd suggest discussion of which revision control software the team should use in a meeting, and to move on from there to discussing the proposals for structure and content of the Spreadubuntu site, and then implementing it. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEq8KrtSaF0w5rBv8RAtAwAJ9LqkO6J2UZRy0ukEaFcoYbmm15WACfal8+ /g55f/2OFpjEd609CGuIdPk= =4dyF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Subdomains (was Re: Repository for Marketing Team works)
Hi, * Jeff Waugh: > It's already pretty scary that we have www/help/docs/wiki subdomains, none > of which are doing the other any favours when it comes to interlinking or > raising our Google juice. Let's try not to let this happen again. Don't forget people.u.c and fridge.u.c! I think that subdomains are appropriate in some situations. the doc.u.c subdomain exists simply to provide html previews of the documentation in progress through the unstable release cycle, which is necessary to encourage contributors and is not something that the wiki can do (it should really be named docteam, but that's another point). If the marketing team encounters a similar need to share drafts and work in progress with the community (which they don't seem to have quite yet), I think we need to be able to assist them. We can discuss that best way to do that when the need arises. Matt -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > Robert McWilliam wrote: >>> There has been some confusion about exactly what it is we are after >>> in terms of hosting. This has come from us actually looking for a >>> few different things at the same time. >>> >>> 1. Somewhere to put works in progress: This would store text for >>> SU, articles for the magazine etc before they go live. Version >>> control would be good to simplify collaboration. >>> >>> 2. A webserver to host SU: because Spread Ubuntu is still in the >>> design stages we don't know much details about what we're going to >>> need here, we're really just looking for what the options are. >>> >>> 3. Somewhere to put pictures and other files to let others in the >>> team see ideas. Sorry, I don't have a very good explanation of this >>> one, but an example is somewhere for people to upload proposals for >>> the SU artwork. >>> >>> My thinking: launchpad/bzr ought to work for 1. 3 can be >>> accomodated in the wiki (and/or lp/bzr (can you link to files there >>> so they can be downloaded from a browser?)). 2 isn't needed as soon >>> as the others. >>> >>> If there is anything needed that I've missed please post what's >>> needed and we'll try and come up with somewhere. >>> Robert >>> McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com >>> >>> Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. > Very well summed up, Robert, thanks. > > There's one thing I disagree with, though. The wiki is slow and > cumbersome to host a ton of marketing proposals and I really see no > reason to force it. marketing.ubuntu.com/spreadubuntu/proposals would > make a much better place IMO. I'd use a simple apache directory or a > very simple html file index. Robert is absolutely right. Planning and ideas should be done on the wiki, because all other Ubuntu teams do the same! All developer/documentation/art specifications happen there, and there is no reason for the Marketing team to deviate from that - it is great to have community work happening in the same place. The wiki is also a better place to collaborate than a simple file server because everybody can contribute and work on things together. As for the speed, I'm sure we can do something about that. With regard to Robert's "2", when you need hosting for spreadubuntu.com, the hosting is there for you and I am happy to manage it and give the relevant people access as required. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEq38DtSaF0w5rBv8RAoa7AJ9AEz5b3mz8zBeKpYlgZK68JPp/ywCeJ3N7 AHkPs/zSiBCFIOS3k94hsTg= =n0XQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi again, * Jan Vancura: > ATM, all I need is one subdomain - spread.ubuntu.com, to hold the Team's > works in progress (Spreadubuntu mockups to start with). > I'll look into bzr - Corey said Canonical hosts those subdomains, is > that true? > So where do we stand, can I expect spread.ubuntu.com to be the future > home of the MT's material? Ok, this is getting a bit confusing, so let's clarify some things. As with most of the threads on the list right now, the first thing to identify is what, why, and how. If you decide that you can use bzr for revision control, you don't need any subdomains. Launchpad can host bzr branches under your launchpad product, and you can have a product for each of your initiatives. If you want to use another version control system, consider which you want to use, and how to use it, and you are free to set it up on the docteam server. I'll help, and you can set some things up to play with too. The server is also available if you want a web server, or anything else you want. But please, think about "what, why, and how" first. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqklatSaF0w5rBv8RAkl5AJ47UQbK6Jig7m9JZdF+MQD4Mg6snACfanWC fPsxC4InBzrWktavhqdQGaM= =o6e/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > Matthew East wrote: >> Hi, >> >> * Jan Vancura: >>>> Well what do you know :) That's an even better response. >>>> I'm very interested - if it's possible, I'd like a svn repo at >>>> spread.ubuntu.com, with a permanent repo at marketing.ubuntu.com if >>>> needed later on. >> I'll get on and check that it's ok for you guys to use the server. >> However, before setting up multiple repositories, make sure that you >> talk about exactly what you want and why. For a start, there is no >> reason why you might need more than one version control repository. >> >> Matt > Not at all - spread.ubuntu.com would be the one svn repo we would use > for the entire MT, for lack of a better name, while marketing.ubuntu.com > would be the finalised material repo, which we don't really need just > yet, but might soon. Well, I think that if the entire Gnome project can manage with one repo, then so can the marketing team. So far you haven't said anything that remotely justifies making loads more subdomains... If you want to divide some projects up, then consider registering individual projects in launchpad and making them part of an ubuntu-marketing project. Don't forget that if you feel that you can manage the project code in bzr, then launchpad will host the branches for you. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqj+itSaF0w5rBv8RAjUiAJ9Vc+tJqDJtkw1hU4afwZ0q00yeigCfSzj8 zP0DprOtnngWeW27YheueGA= =j9hK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Ubuntu in the media
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof: > Hi, > > On this mailinglist we not only discuss about what to do with the MT, but > i also see a lot of links to press articles about Ubuntu. Isn't a good > idea to put those links on the wiki, on a page like > wiki.ubuntu.com/InTheMedia or something? I think it's another part of what > a marketing team should do, and it's done with very little effort. Note that there is a collection of these links on fridge.ubuntu.com, it would be worth coordinating with the fridge guys to submit more articles. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqhS+tSaF0w5rBv8RAqOrAJ4+nNM1NoahAhOeCZ2Q/tpZN6GhaQCgiDMR ek943Q6mdfWE5SDfzZJrYeY= =YcjO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > Well what do you know :) That's an even better response. > I'm very interested - if it's possible, I'd like a svn repo at > spread.ubuntu.com, with a permanent repo at marketing.ubuntu.com if > needed later on. I'll get on and check that it's ok for you guys to use the server. However, before setting up multiple repositories, make sure that you talk about exactly what you want and why. For a start, there is no reason why you might need more than one version control repository. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqhAitSaF0w5rBv8RAhbnAJ9wd6fwCaB7DnP5owqAcuYbS8s1sACfafUh hB9jV6n2LMhEeD9AtaGV6gU= =M+ba -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: > It is quite obvious that the Team's projects will need a place to store > data in progress. SU will be the first to cry out for this, and I have > no hosting myself. > So, i'm looking for volunteer hosts, temporary or permanent, mainly for > the needs of SU. It won't be much to start with, I'll be damned if it > grows over 100 MiB. > Anyone? > On another note, we could approach the CC for a ubuntu.com subdomain - > and I propose spread.ubuntu.com for our svn repo for works in progress. > marketing.ubuntu.com would suggest finished products, we could use that > later for DIY Marketing Items. marketingteam.ubuntu.com is rather too long. > Any suggestions, comments, ideas? Yes, why don't you use the documentation team server? We have plenty of resources free, and I can set you up with some stuff. If you are interested, I'll confirm with Henrik/Matthew/WhoeverManagesTheServersRightNow and sort it out. Then you can get the admins to point the relevant subdomains at it (you don't need to ask the CC about this). Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqY9jtSaF0w5rBv8RAtuBAKCJXXjciTMPQU8USNfmqywgu1jVwgCfTq4i V+aE1OtM5giGpq1cHEjrc5I= =wWnv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Contact point for Ubuntu Marketing team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ello, By the way, no need to CC: me, I'll try and follow the list better from now on. * Matthew Revell: > Hi Matthew, > > On 30/06/06, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sorry if I have missed a trick - I've just started reading this list, >> but what are the reasons for having a contact point? I think it's >> important to get those clear, because not all teams require leaders or >> contacts, > > We didn't discuss that in the meeting and I haven't seen any > discussion of it on the list, so I assume that it hasn't been > discussed. As I'm new to the way Ubuntu teams are organised, I have to > admit that, when the issue was raised, I assumed that teams had a > contact point by default. > > Any reduction in bureaucracy and unnecessary hierarchy is welcome. > However, I do wonder if a contact point, or contact points, would be > useful within time. For example, if a third-party organisation were > looking for a press release or some data on Ubuntu, I think it would > be beneficial to have one email address that they could use to contact > the team, assuming we ever took on that sort of role for the project. I agree, but I tend to think that [EMAIL PROTECTED] would do the job well, certainly at the beginning. Then perhaps if the need arises, it can be discussed, rather than doing things the other way round. On the other hand, the team might easily feel that a contact person could be helpful from the beginning, I don't know. Let's see how this thread develops. > How does it work in the Documentation Team? Looking at your wiki > pages, it appears that you don't have one person who takes a team > leader or similar role. That's right - we don't have a contact or team leader, and I think it works really well. Decisions are taken on a team basis in meetings or via the mailing list, and 3 or so people administrate the launchpad team (which we use to broadly define who has access to our repository). For what it's worth, the current rule is that the members of that group should be Ubuntu members before joining. I think it will vary according to the dynamic of the team, but I certainly think it's important that if a team establishes a leader/contact, the role is defined. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpUTmtSaF0w5rBv8RAvNGAKCBnPdC48JsxeCIBjN7WvADBIGFMACeLQ7H 3HLde+AT53jSdlydBlvkRQY= =BfP2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Contact point for Ubuntu Marketing team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Matthew Revell: > Hi guys, > > In the IRC meeting, the issue of who should be our team contact point > was raised. > > Jenda is performing that role at the moment, but it's something we > need to agree as a team. The role isn't really a team leader but > really just a voice to the outside world (although, there's nothing to > stop anyone talking to anyone, of course). Sorry if I have missed a trick - I've just started reading this list, but what are the reasons for having a contact point? I think it's important to get those clear, because not all teams require leaders or contacts, and it will affect the way that the duties of the person who takes on the role are defined. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpT0+tSaF0w5rBv8RAqqLAKCIG1H6MhafNCDFmfOvWxDqJ2mTawCfW/w4 d2lRcBWeps3e8svh2z1h1Ts= =kyTP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: The Ubuntu Marketing forums
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 09:47 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 10:24 +1000, Robert Stoffers wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 00:21 +0100, Jane Silber wrote: > > > Doc Team, Marketing Team - > > > > > > Can we start a discussion about some of the overlapping efforts? I agree > > > that duplication of efforts is unfortunate. There is so much to be done > > > that it seems we should be able to agree on some basic scoping for > > > various teams to avoid the duplication. > > Please let's not let this get out of proportion! I posted on the > marketing team forum the other day and got a more than reasonable > response which convinced me that there is really no overlapping efforts. > It was made clear that the marketing team is looking into writing some > material which is not in fact documentation, rather than duplicate work > already done by the doc team. The positive dialogue that I was talking about in the above mail is this: http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27 Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: The Ubuntu Marketing forums
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 10:24 +1000, Robert Stoffers wrote: > On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 00:21 +0100, Jane Silber wrote: > > Doc Team, Marketing Team - > > > > Can we start a discussion about some of the overlapping efforts? I agree > > that duplication of efforts is unfortunate. There is so much to be done > > that it seems we should be able to agree on some basic scoping for > > various teams to avoid the duplication. Please let's not let this get out of proportion! I posted on the marketing team forum the other day and got a more than reasonable response which convinced me that there is really no overlapping efforts. It was made clear that the marketing team is looking into writing some material which is not in fact documentation, rather than duplicate work already done by the doc team. All of this "don't step on our toes" stuff will lead to tension which is simply not there. I am convinced that any posts on the marketing team forum which give the impression that the marketing team is out to create new documentation do not represent the consensus of the team, and simply represent exploratory discussion. I think we can look forward to a good relationship between these two teams! Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Re: The Ubuntu Marketing forums
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 11:53 +0200, Sebastiano Mestre wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:12 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > > > I have such a disgust > > matt please take away your disgust for a moment. optimizing efforts is > important but i'm not for a "fight" :) if the problem is overlapping > efforts, i believe we should simply discuss and try to define for good > what belongs to doc-team and what belongs to mktg-team. anyway i believe > some overlapping is going to be natural. think synergy :) - sebastiano Sebastiano, Taking quotes out of context is dangerous and damaging. Please don't do it again. I have no problem with the marketing team, I was simply annoyed at needing to file yet more registration details on a new forum. Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
