Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet again!) with a focus on simple activism
Just to weigh in briefly on this discussion, as an outsider to the team but as an observer for some time and with some experience of various teams growing up around the Ubuntu community. I think that one of the messages that Ruben has identified is definitely a valid one: that you don't get leaders in this community by appointment at the outset of a project. People grow into leaders and get recognition and validation as leaders by doing good work and leading by example. What the marketing team very clearly needs is some focused and achievable tasks which are done regularly (producing materials, updating the pre-release feature documents, etc etc). I think that a leader will grow out of the team once that is done. There are plenty of good people on this list and plenty of people doing great marketing work in local community teams so I'm confident that that will happen when some focused projects are established. With that in mind I'd encourage Paolo during the meeting to set out what he's done with the Italian Marketing Team because this is a good example of identifying focused projects, and addressing them. The same applies to others with similar initiatives in other local teams. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Spread Ubuntu
2009/11/4 Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com: So far I see it as our best focus point for the Ubuntu Marketing group. +1 All nice ideas for features. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] use of Launchpad mailing list
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Rubén Romero y Cordero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Matthew East wrote: I noticed recently that there is a ~spreadubuntu team in Launchpad with its own mailing list. SpreadUbuntu is to be understood as a subteam of the marketing team, but also as a *normal* opensource project in the sense that we plan coding and using branches extensively. The marketing-team list is a discussion list, while the SU list will be more of a technical type of list to discuss what we want into the project and eventually technical details about our code. I don't think that distinction is significant enough to warrant a separate list. In particular, the marketing team mailing list is *exactly* the right place to discuss what the team wants from the spreadubuntu project. In fact, discussing those details elsewhere is simply inviting fragmentation within the marketing team. The spreadubuntu project, if done properly, could be a good way to focus the marketing team on getting some work done. It falls directly and squarely within the marketing team's competence and goals. It's generally desirable for projects in the Ubuntu community to use an existing list rather than begin a new one. Further, as you may know, we prefer that recognised projects use Ubuntu mailing lists at this time, rather than Launchpad mailing lists: I did notice this, but as much as we are part of the ubuntu community we need a channel of communication as an open source project as such, more than as a discussing team/subgroup within another team. You've missed my point here. New projects in the ubuntu community, as the page I quoted makes clear, should request mailing lists on lists.ubuntu.com and not on Launchpad. In this case, I think the spreadubuntu list was probably created before that policy was properly communicated to the Launchpad mailing list administrators, so that's the reason the list was approved. But in any event the main point I want to make is that it shouldn't be required at all. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] New mailing list for submitting and discussing news, events and meetings
I'm pleased to announce the creation of the ubuntu-news-team mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team The list is the single and authoritative place to submit and discuss news stories, events and meetings in the Ubuntu community. It will be used by the Ubuntu Weekly News team and the Fridge team. The ubuntu-marketing-submissions and fridge-devel mailing lists are now *closed* and have been replaced by this single list. This is part of an initiative to unify the mailing lists and resources used by all the various initiatives dealing with news in the Ubuntu community, to provide them with single resources and to assist the people dealing with them to share efforts and work more efficiently. The full rationale and implementation behind this initiative is outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews So, when submitting news, meetings or events within the Ubuntu community for inclusion in UWN or on the Fridge, please remember to write to the ubuntu-news-team mailing list. Thanks! -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)
Hi, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Craig A. Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information in a location that one would expect. Normally, meeting information is posted to the Fridge. From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and locations. Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar. I think the tone of your response was way over the top. Yes, the meeting time should have been posted to the Fridge, but the marketing list was sent a clear message with the meeting information and a reminder of it... I am pretty sure that the majority of those interested were aware of it. A friendly nudge to post the meeting time to the Fridge would have been enough. Google Calendar. I can't even begin to think of one good reason for using that. Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept Google-analytics. I don't accept Google-analytics. At all. Ever. I do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I don't want. That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and exceptionally hard day at work. It's more abusive than the overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong. It's more ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know everything that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master know what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company). I don't DO Google Calendar. Period. With such a violent disagreement with Google Analytics, be sure to avoid using the Ubuntu website, wiki and help website. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Correct branding for Ubuntu
Hi, Is it still true that the correct branding for Ubuntu is Ubuntu rather than Ubuntu Linux? I've seen some instances of the latter appearing on the website, for example in the recent news article: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/obsidian-linux-training-south-africa Is this an intentional change or is it appropriate to file a bug about that? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Shift linux is now based on Ubuntu
Hi, On Jan 28, 2008 11:48 PM, Corey Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I imagine it will end up in the UWN, but would file a bug againt the ubuntu-website product to get it listed on the website? Unfortunately, the website no longer listed unsupported derivatives. You could include it here though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Unified resources for News
Hi, This has been (partially) discussed on this list before, but I'd like to get going and implement the spec. The proposal is to create a single mailing list for all news-related initiatives to use to coordinate their projects. The list would replace the existing fridge-devel and ubuntu-marketing-submissions mailing lists, which perform overlapping functions (i.e. for users to submit stories and news). The full spec is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews I believe it's fair to say that the Fridge team is broadly ok with the spec. Is the UWN team also happy with it? If possible I'd like to involve the Full Circle team too. This will leave the marketing team list to deal with marketing (not news). -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Let People Know the Wireless Devices that Work with Ubuntu Could Help with Marketing
Hi, On 30/10/2007, Dalton Miyabara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw that main page help.ubuntu.com doesn´t have any search box. People use google to find their answer in a search box, why do they need to find their answer looking into all the pages of the Ubuntu documentation instead of just write the words in a simple search box? If you're interested in writing a search utility for the documentation website, please contact the documentation team. Thanks -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Let People Know the Wireless Devices that Work with Ubuntu Could Help with Marketing
Hi, On 30/10/2007, Dalton Miyabara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to talk to the docummentation team to work together with us to make this search utility better? The documentation team is quite easy to contact, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact It's not really a question of working with the marketing team, just a question of the docteam creating this feature for the documentation site. It's quite difficult to do for various reasons. I'd be happy to discuss it more on the docteam mailing list. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Screencasts
Hi all, On 10/10/2007, Gerry Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alan I am going to ask Kat to call you to go through the options here. I think it would be great to link to the screencasts at launch (or sooner) so that people not moved to download can see what the fuss is all about. Kat will work with Matt for the best way to present these - I want to link to your site rather then pull all the files over but keeping screencasts as a permanent and prominent linked part of Ubuntu.com is the right thing to do i think. Just one further clarification: the screencasts are not designed as marketing videos, but are rather explanations about how to do a particular task on Ubuntu. There is obviously an overlap between the two concepts i.e. screencasts can be very useful marketing, especially if, as you identify, there is one which showcases features of Ubuntu, and demonstrates the desktop in general. As I understand it, the screencasts project doesn't current have that aim, although perhaps it could be extended. There is obviously a further overlap, in that good access to clear explanations of how to install Ubuntu is obviously helpful from a marketing perspective. However, in relation to screencasts which are pure instructions on how to accomplish a particular task, I think it's important to recognise that screencasts are essential one aspect of documentation: text and video in the context of *instructions* are essentially two sides of the same concept. Video is cool and flashy, but text has its uses as well. I think we should try and promote the two together, in the sense that users who we are showing instructions to should be presented with either an option of whether to follow text instructions, or video instructions. Ideally, they'd get both at the same time, integrated. I'd like to work with Alan if possible to develop ways to integrate screencasts into the online and system documentation. I'm saying this without any pretence of independence, in the sense that I am heavily involved in the documentation team, who produce the text side of things, so I'm biased, in one sense. However, in another sense I'm not, because my aim is to try and make sure that different media for portraying instructions are thought of in the same way in terms of promoting their use on the website and the desktop generally. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] New members in UWN or separate announcement?
Hi, On 04/09/07, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N Ali wrote: On 9/3/07, Martin Albisetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello :D I wanted to run something by all of you before proceeding. I while back I got an email from Mark asking me if we could send out a separate email for new member announcements instead of including in the the UWN so it would be highlighted a bit more. Matthew made a good point about the UWN being *the* place to announce that kind of news, and I actually agree. I don't mind if it's in both a standalone announcement and UWN. UWN is an awesome 'zine :-) I have to say that having seen Martin's latest email to -news, it looks great in a separate announcement. Is this more effort to maintain, or can things simply be copied from the UWN entry? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer comments or ratings however. At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with dailymotion.com et al, so unless someone else peeps up, I'll embark on more discussion with these web 2.0 type video community chappies. The best videos uploaded to their channels could then be replicated to ubuntuvideo.com Cheers Chris Going once, going twice :-P Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities to this site, if that's what the marketing team would like to do. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more ;-) I understand that, and hadn't intended to be curt. I wrote to John off list with a fuller explanation, but the reason why I think it's worth getting to the bottom of this is that the marketing team currently lists this website as one of its projects. Now, obviously it's totally fine for an individual to have their own site and take care of it as they wish without reference to a community team (there are some great sites out there that do just that), but it's important that the team clarifies for its own purposes how and to what extent it can contribute ideas and new features for the site (especially if the alternative is to develop another similar site). Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, what technologies can be used to make them, etc? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/08/07, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. -- Matthew East Hey Matt, Which is one of the reasons I don't want the viral video project to reside under one person's control. You loose that person, you loose the project... This was one of my arguments against hosting on privately owned servers under privately registered domains. It's better to spread the risk a little methinks ;-) Agreed. I'll contact John by email to see if we can talk about making the site a more community run project; and we'll see how that goes. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Recent poor publicity - response?
Hi all, (Jono and Matthew cc:ed) A thread on the -uk list has highlighted the recent poor publicity that Ubuntu has had as a result of the recent problems with the local community run servers, in particular on slashdot (http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/15/1341224.shtml). Does the marketing team have any ideas about a possible way to respond to this publicity? The recent article in the UWN includes one sentence which attempts to do that, but it's not a very comprehensive response. One idea might be to post an article on the Fridge with an honest explanation and detail of what was done to solve the problem, and (if applicable) how it could have been avoided with regular security updates, as freely provided by the Ubuntu team. See for example: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=270335cid=20236563 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=270335cid=20236611 What do people think? Can bad publicity can be turned into good publicity? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [OFFLIST] Fwd: Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Hi, On 15/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the way you have decided to take this forward then I sincerely hope it's successful. That sounds like you're pulling out because you disagree with one decision about the hosting of the project? Why's that? Not at all - I'm a bit miffed that my concerns at it being more awkward to bring what's needed to the project by using ubuntuvideo seem to be being overlooked I'd like to emphasise that from my point of view you should never feel that I'm not listening to your position. I can understand that it's often difficult to understand other people's points of views when you've already elaborated your own plans for a project. However, it's simply not true that your concerns have been overlooked: so far I've taken care to address each of them individually (see your points (a), (b) and (c) at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2007-August/002212.html). If you don't accept that drupal (which is the software used by ubuntuvideo.com) has the appropriate features which this project needs, then it's important for you to explain why, because so far you haven't done so. Also, you should address our point that creating an entire site from scratch will be more difficult than extending the existing site using recognised plugins which have the relevant features, not to mention the fact that developing a website which overlaps with an existing one dilutes the effect of both. To be fair, what I don't want is for people to hand down direction, and for me to be left running around doing the actual work. Input is fantastic, and I love working with others, I just want everyone to get their hands dirty :-D Handing down direction is an ugly phrase: the issue in this thread should be discussed by the whole team and a consensus will come out of that discussion. Getting hands dirty is a separate question. Regardless of the outcome of the issue being discussed in this thread (i.e. software / url to use for this project), the project will still require people to contribute, especially yourself (as Alan points out). Hopefully, reusing an existing site will mean that the getting hands dirty part can be focused less on the creation of the host and more on the creation and circulation of the videos themselves. All I ask is please lets not turn this in to yet another 'all talk and no action' project. We need physical input and assistance as well as talk. Things don't happen just through suggesting them. If you walk away then this is _exactly_ what will happen. :( Absolutely right. It would be a real shame for you to be discouraged by anything in this thread. Working in a free software community requires a good amount of patience and compromise. Since I've been involved in the Ubuntu community, I've been knocked back a number of times when an idea which I was *so* sure was completely watertight wasn't accepted by others; each time I've come to understand that in fact that was either because I hadn't presented it properly or because it wasn't as watertight as I thought: in any event it's very important to understand that discussion like this enriches the project rather than damages it. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] heads up - Why Is PCLinuxOS 2007 Better Than Ubuntu?
Hi, On 14/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My agenda is to encourage success for ubuntu, not pclos. I'm sure that's true. The responses to your post are quite right however: from a technical point of view the article you've linked to is pretty inaccurate and poor quality. But to move this thread on, I think it's better to focus on your position that Ubuntu is losing out on popularity to PCLinuxOS, and be constructive: do you have any ideas about *how* Ubuntu can address the position. It's all very well to use the word marketing willy-nilly, but if that isn't backed up with proposals to do something positive, then it's not very useful. Here's one idea to kick off: perhaps writing a constructive response to articles like this might be helpful, pointing out all the mistakes (for example, that Ubuntu has also only been around for a few years, since 2004, that PCLinuxOS / Ubuntu both use apt, that codecs like those required to play mp3s are automatically installed when required, hardware support, and highlighting any advantages Ubuntu has, such as good security responses or whatever). -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos
Hi, On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Just a quick note to keep you up to date on the Ubuntu Viral Marketing project. Things are falling into place here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuViralVideos I've not had much joy getting into contact with Mozilla, so we might have to strike out on our own with the coding. First off, I guess its time to register a domain name. A couple of ideas I've had are: www.ubuntuvids.com www.ubuntuflicks.com How about http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ ? If you work with this existing resource, then you will avoid having two sites with the same purpose, you won't need to reinvent any wheels with setting up the site, and (shock horror) you'll be able to focus on actually getting things done and making videos. Then we could do with a logo I guess. Anyone know any graphic artists interested? Ubuntu has a logo! Each new initiative that is part of Ubuntu doesn't need its own logo... It's much more powerful if you simply use existing Ubuntu branding. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu World Map
Hi, Back on list. On 13/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew East wrote: On 13/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flippinsweetdude.com/maps/index.php Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide. This one you've posted appears to be a version of the one from frappr which is linked on that page. Ideally, we wouldn't have so many different incarnations of the same idea. The idea might be the same, but the ubuntu worldwide does not work well. For example, it is not possible to see your own street. And also , if several hunderd users are racing into a better version which does allow good user feedback then this is an important issue. I agree: however the link you posted seems to me to be simply a reproduction of the existing frappr map, unless I'm mistaken. From a marketing point of view I would not want to stop the enthsiasm particularly I strongly prefer a map facility which will easily show bracknell (me!) even though I am both maps. The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide simply does not, and I have stopped thinking it is useful, sorry. Although the map on the wiki is a bit more attractive, you are right that each have their pros and cons: it would be nice to provide a single resource which can be used by all. ps did you intend this discussion to be off list? No, sorry. I haven't got used to gmail yet. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Better involvement
Hi,
Adjusting quoting accordingly, and adding fridge-devel to cc: addresses.
On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:16 am, Kat Kinnie wrote:
Dominik Wagenfuehr wrote:
my name is Dominik Wagenfuehr and I'm the team leader of the news portal
Ikhaya of the official German ubuntu forum [1]. As in most cases our
team is not paid for its work and we do most of it in our free time.
This leads to the situation that the greater German news portals [2] [3]
[4] are always faster than we can post something. So if they post some
Ubuntu news we need to rewrite their text and link to them. Some users
think that is is a little bit confusing since we are the official Ubuntu
forum. They ask why we do not know this news before others.
So we thought maybe it's possible to create a better connection between
the Canonical/Ubuntu marketing team and the German news team so that we
can post Ubuntu news when they are really happening.
{snip}
I appreciate the dilemma.
1. Unfortunately we cannot give anyone pre-notice of news. This is
because we may have to pull news at the last moment depending on partner
or customer requests or other internal considerations. This happens all
the time. So we cannot manage having news with third parties and then
trying to ensure that they pull the news also. It's not workable.
2. However, if you send me an email address we can ensure that the news
is distributed to you at the same time as it goes to other news channels.
I think it's clear that asking for advance notice of sensitive news
information is inappropriate. However, some broader issues arise here
which I think the various news sources can work on.
We need an rss feed for the news section of the Ubuntu website - I'm
pretty sure we have a bug open about this and that Matthew is working on
it, so not too concerned about that.
More generally, it would be pretty helpful to have one central collection
of the various news sources - perhaps the Fridge could provide an
aggregated feed of its own stories, the Ubuntu website news section, and
any other Ubuntu news sources which we feel might be relevant?
Matt
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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Website News
Do people think that it is ever worthwhile including news items which appear on the Ubuntu website as fridge items too? I think since the two sites probably have very different readerships, it might be worthwhile doing Fridge stories on significant items appearing on the main website. For example, I just read this which got me thinking about the question: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org/ -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Small change in UWN
Hi, * Martin Albisetti: Until we finally get the -news team going (still waiting on the mailing list, and we have some things left to define with Matt and Corey), I'm still going to use the -marketing ML :D Shall we have a short meeting about those outstanding issues? My last email didn't get any responses. It has been brought to my attention that there is much work being done to delegate the Ubuntu Membership process to the LoCo and other critical groups of the community, thus, loosing a central place to announce the new members (the CC meeting). That's sort of right. I've drawn up an initial outline (still for discussion) of Mark's idea to delegate membership approval to regional meetings - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StreamlineMembershipApproval The proposal is to separate the UWN from the membership announcements into to different emails, and have a by-weekly release of the new members. Personally I don't think it's necessary to do this in separate emails - the UWN is already doing a good job of reporting new membership, and everyone should read the UWN :) I think that it will be enough to specify relevant information that should be supplied with each week's UWN about each candidate. So, short paragraph, wiki page, launchpad id etc. But no doubt the question of how best to do this will be up for discussion still, so perhaps it's best to wait and see what the outcome is. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Excuse the top post. I didn't have any replies to the below. I'm not sure whether that means that people agree or disagree - probably the latter. I apologise if I've come across too strongly on the issue - I am quite passionate about this point, but I don't think such a disagreement, if there is one, should prevent us going forward with the idea behind this proposal, which I think most people support. I'd like it if people would read the specification and we can discuss any outstanding issues, possible in a meeting as Martin suggested. * Matthew East: Hi, * Corey Burger: Martin wrote: The idea would be to have an ubuntu-news team, which would in fact just group all of us working on UWN, The Fridge, Ubuntu.com News and FullCircle. Most of the current projects members overlap, as the news stories do, so something useful for The Fridge, might also be useful for UWN. I think these projects should definitely be sharing resources, which is why I made the suggestion in the first place. However, I think it's a big mistake to create a new team, whose job is to look after all the projects, at least at this stage. My main reason is that it's too large a change. Given that the projects already have established processes and memberships, unifying resources and creating a new team at the same time is making too many changes at the same time. A team needs to have processes about people and project management and each of the news initiatives that we've talked about already have those in place. I wouldn't be against improving some of those (in particular the Fridge which I've been involved in, because we've talked about ways of improving the team processes many times), but that is a separate subject. Taking these on at the same time is going to lead to too much confusion and it's too ambitious. We may not be that far apart, I suppose. I don't have any seriously strong objections to creating another launchpad team, as long as it is an umbrella team made up of existing groups; and provided that it is clear that the existing groups are the groups working on the various related projects. Down the line we may wish to bring some of these groups together and/or give them common processes, but in my opinion it's way too early for that. I've learnt over the time I've contributed to Ubuntu that the most important principle for working with communities is to take things a step at a time, and in bitesize pieces. If spam did not exist I would agree with you. So better to have two lists, one to collect the original sending with a reply-to to the 2nd list, the actual main discussion list. Strongly disagree. Spam on open lists isn't actually a serious problem. A reasonable spam filter will always get rid of the vast majority, and in any case you can just ignore it. I certainly don't think it's worthwhile having two separate lists, which is (a) confusing for newcomers, (b) annoying in terms of requiring everyone to subscribe to two lists. After all, if *one* of your two lists is open, then everyone has to deal with the spam anyway. Or had you envisaged that some people would subscribe to one list, and others to another? I just think this will create too many issues unnecessarily. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
An afterthough, as usual: * Matthew East: * Corey Burger: If spam did not exist I would agree with you. So better to have two lists, one to collect the original sending with a reply-to to the 2nd list, the actual main discussion list. Strongly disagree. Spam on open lists isn't actually a serious problem. A reasonable spam filter will always get rid of the vast majority, and in any case you can just ignore it. I certainly don't think it's worthwhile having two separate lists, which is (a) confusing for newcomers, (b) annoying in terms of requiring everyone to subscribe to two lists. After all, if *one* of your two lists is open, then everyone has to deal with the spam anyway. Or had you envisaged that some people would subscribe to one list, and others to another? I just think this will create too many issues unnecessarily. An idea might be to go with a single list, open to begin with. If people are willing to moderate the list so that genuine emails will go through, then I think we can switch it to moderation. This will be even easier when a webform is set up that can be accessed from the Fridge or the wiki. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi, * Corey Burger: Alright, so Martin kicked the ball going here and got an irc channel up and running at #ubuntu-news. We chatted and the best division is probably this: -news: UWN, Fridge, ubuntu.com news -marketing:DIY, alpha/beta release notes, tours, etc. Here are the bits that need to be decided: - What to do with the fridge-devel mailing list? - What to do with the marketing-submissions mailing list? I've begun drawing up a spec to consider a number of these issues, and others at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews My gut feeling would be to make fridge-devel the ubuntu-news-team mailing list, turn off the free submit and then make the -marketing-submissions into -marketing-news-submissions to cover both marketing and news inbound information. The reason I say keep one submissions mailing list is that people sending stuff in are likely to have no idea how we are going to use this information. I think we need one mailing list for all news related items. That was the whole idea. I'd suggest calling it ubuntu-news-submissions, and I think it should be free for all to post to, like the fridge-devel list is now. Then the marketing team can have whatever lists it feels are necessary (ubuntu-marketing, ubuntu-marketing-submissions); I'm not too concerned about that side because I think the marketing side of things should be separate from news. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
On Tue, May 29, 2007 12:27 pm, Jono Bacon wrote: On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 12:58 -0700, Corey Burger wrote: This seems like a sane idea. A few thoughts: I also think this sounds sane, but I also have similar questions to Corey: * Will creating this new time gut the marketing team? I wonder this too I don't think so - as Jenda said, it's not worth keeping alive a particular team by reference to a project that doesn't fall within its ambit anyway. But in any case, the marketing team has other projects and will develop those. - I think the marketing team needs to be primarily orientated around outreach and promotion, whereas the ubuntu-news team is about news management for the community. So, in the nutshell -marketing for communications outside the community, -news for inside the community. Make sense? That's the idea, yes. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-news team
Hi Vid, Just to correct a couple of misunderstandings from my original post: * Vid Ayer: On 5/28/07, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me be clear - I'm *not* proposing any kind of merging of the initiatives themselves, because I think that each of them has a specific and useful goal. I'm *not* proposing any change of personnel around the various initiatives. I'm simply proposing that the nature of the activities be recognised as common and people working from each should become part of the same team and share the same resources to work with (in particular the same mailing list). ...probably start by removing the term -marketing that got tagged with the Ubuntu news aspect. Right, that's my proposal :) So in sum, I'd propose that those working on the Fridge and those working on the UWN become part of an ubuntu-news team, and work on a common mailing list called ubuntu-news-submissions (which in my view IIRC, the Fridge was supposed to be some kind of semi-official voice for Ubuntu and we have Canonical employees there too, ... so has that changed ? Some differences between UWN and Fridge that I see are : * Fridge has a formal tone. This was what was told to us at the start so will that change with the UWN being more informal and all ? * Will this change the tone of the Fridge? What does Canonical have to say on this ? I'm not proposing that the differences between the two change. In fact, I'm not proposing that either initiative change in any way for the purposes of this idea. However, the task of gathering news and coordinating news writing is common to both the projects (and others), so I'd like to bring the people involved closer and working on the same mailing list. could be renamed from the existing list called ubuntu-marketing-submissions). Such a team would be structured carefully in order to preserve the existing positions of editorship. please, not yet another list have a heart, I am on over 100+ lists as is :-/ Nope, the idea is that ubuntu-marketing-submissions and fridge-devel would be replaced by the ubuntu-news-submissions list; so in fact we would end up with one fewer. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] French addons to UWN
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 09:49 -0700, Cody Somerville wrote: Hello, I'll have to object. Language shouldn't be a barrier in this day and age. People are interested in Ubuntu regardless if the work is done in French, Spanish, German, or English. There should be a single version of a UWN release with multiple translations. You're more then welcome to place your stories in the UWN but I'd ask that you don't create a separate French Edition. I don't see why this is a bad idea at all. The Italian community has had a separate edition of the newsletter [1] and it has worked very well. First of all, it has an Italian style of writing and humour. Secondly it contains items which are of very little interest to the international community but are of interest to the Italian community. In particular, stories about community members, in jokes, and low level news about the community which the international community won't give two hoots about. It is, in fact, a genuine *localisation* of the UWN. [1] http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana I understand where you are coming from - you want to ensure that the international community doesn't miss out on relevant news from all over the world. You are quite right to have that in mind, but I'm afraid that trying to prevent local communities from developing their own personality/community is not the right way to go about it. Your concern can be handled by ensuring that everyone creating localised versions contributes to the international version as well by contributing relevant stories. I personally think that a good job of this is already done by publicising the UWN on the loco-contacts list. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Italian translation of weekly news
On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 15:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 09:48 +0100, Matthew East wrote: Hi there, I've noticed that there is a link on the UWN homepage to an italian translation. However, the Italian community already produces a version of the newsletter on its own wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana This newsletter incorporates your weekly newsletter and adds Italian specific news. It would be better to link to that, rather than encouraging duplicated work by arranging for a separate translation in Italian on the main wiki. Anyone working on the UWN got time to reply to this? Ok, don't worry - I got help in the irc channel and have amended the link. We can discuss the desirability or otherwise of localisations of the UWN on the other thread. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Gnome Control Centre
Il giorno ven, 30/03/2007 alle 12.37 -0700, Corey Burger ha scritto: On 3/30/07, rohit sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have keenly been tracking progress of feisty fawn (since i plan to migrate to ubuntu linux). Whilst viewing the screenshots of feisty fawn's alpha releases i noticed a noteworthy change: the introduction of the gnome control center in the system menu. This replaced the preferences and administration tabs. not only was the control center a more visually appealing option, it was also easier to use as it categorized all the tasks (against the two over sized menus). Very unfortunately though, in the latest beta release the control center has been replaced by the same old tabs (preferences and administration). do hope you give a thought to the control center. sincerely, ruffrohit. This is certainly not the correct list to discuss this, but I will tell you why the control centre was removed: it was too slow. The menu opens on a cold boot in about 2 secs and less than 1 sec warm (after the panel has cached the information). The control centre took about 3 to 6 secs on the fastest of my machines. You then had to find it. So not only was it slower, it didn't make anything easier to find (as 2-d searching is slower than 1-d) for new people and make all that muscle memory for exisiting users useless. In other words, it was a bad change. What actually does need to happen is a merging of various configuration options by upstream, in this case GNOME, to make the list shorter, not a bandaid like the control centre. I'm not convinced that this is true. The control-center was removed because the code was extremely buggy, but as far as I know the intention is to work on that and include it with the next release. I personally think it is an excellent concept which is the way forward in terms of presentation of configuration options to the user. You're right that several configuration options need to be merged, but that is a separate consideration, which is also a goal for upstream and can be done together with implementing the control-center. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] feed back from a french user
On Thu, March 29, 2007 6:40 pm, manumuller wrote: how can I find official information in french? See http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ We're working on ways to make this more obvious from the English Ubuntu website, but for now, you have to use Google or visit http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Meeting Minutes
Hi, On Mon, April 2, 2007 5:06 pm, Christophe Sauthier wrote: On 4/2/07, Freddy Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was talk about reviving Behind Ubuntu. I'd be willing to help out as much as possible with that. Thoughts? I'd also volunteer to help with BehindUbuntu... let me know if there anything I can do, or a call for participation... If people would like to do interviews on the wiki, we'd definitely like to promote them on the Fridge. The project could continue on the BehindUbuntu website, but it strikes me that it would be cleaner, simpler and easier to do it on the wiki and publicise them via the Fridge. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Wrong download link for feisty beta
Hi, On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 15:42 +0100, Michael Binder wrote: Hi! I tried to download the latest beta of Kubuntu and the URLs on the page http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta to the download area are wrong. I've fixed these. In future, please report errors in the website on the bug tracker. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Control Center
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 17:49 +, Matthew Davis wrote: Hi, I have been testing out 'Feisty Fawn Herd 4' and so far have found it to be very good and have no problems. However the other day I updated the system using the built in synaptic updater and since have lost the control center feature on the main menu, I thought that this was a very good feature and would, if possible, like to see it in the final release. Is it at all possible to turn this feature back on? It has been removed by default due to significant bugs - it is simply not yet ready. You can turn it on by System-Preferences-Main Menu. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Replace the UWN with something a little more Social?
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 13:45 -0500, Adam wrote: Anyone who shows the ability to write a decent article should be allowed to write for the fridge. If need be posts to the fridge could require moderation from a specific group before they were allowed to go public. This would ensure quality control. Anyone who maintains a decent blog is probably a good candidate for writing for the fridge in this fashion. This isn't something that requires a rethink of the Fridge. It's already the case. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge for how to contribute a story to the Fridge. Obviously, the Fridge is primarily a news site, so marketing stories are appropriate and welcome. However, it's not a blog, so in my view personal opinions are not appropriate. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] testing/herd5 - Bug Report - Broken Links
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 17:01 +, Andrew Archibald wrote: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5 seems to have been moved from the wiki without updates to its relative links. For instance it now links to http://www.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current when it should really be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current . Hope this helps. Please report website bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs - we can keep track of them better, and the people working on the site are more likely to fix them. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Replace the UWN with something a little more Social?
Hi, On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 12:09 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: On 3/1/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no reason that the fridge cannot become this. There is absolutely no reason to create yet another resource. Corey Well then, perhaps we should focus our resources on the Fridge as opposed to the weekly news letter? Would the marketing team members need special permissions/titles to post on this forum? Yes, but it is pretty easy to get. Coincidentally, the Fridge mailing list was having a discussion about how to revive/kickstart the fridge. I personally think that merging UWN into the Fridge is a bad idea. The Fridge is a great place for people to contribute substantial articles and stories, and we definitely need to work on making it easy to contribute there. However, not all news items are interesting for the Fridge's userbase. The vast majority of the UWN is useful for people working *within* the Ubuntu community to keep in touch with other aspects of the community. As the community grows, the UWN gets more and more *vital* to ensuring that the community can keep in touch and avoid fragmenting. For example, active participants on the Forums can tell us what is happening there, active participants in the art team can do the same, and so on. We must not lose that. So, in sum: the Fridge and the UWN have differing functions, both of which are essential and shouldn't be lost. In order to gain contribution to the UWN, I'd suggest making smaller changes like being more active in encouraging participation, ensuring that the barrier to contribution is low, etc. As for translations, I propose we do the following: install a new drupal install, localized, at fr.fridge.ubuntu.com or es.fridge.ubuntu.com. translate each story as it is released (smaller stories are also easier to translate) Generally translations are encouraged to be done on the various local sites. So for documentation, websites and other translations, we encourage the loco teams to present translations on their own websites. While that continues to be the case, we should do the same with news. For example, the Italian team publishes significant news items on its website and also publishes a weekly news with both international and Italian specific news, which has very much its own style and flavour. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN - gobby or wiki?
Hi, On Tue, February 20, 2007 6:05 pm, Julius Bloch wrote: There are several adavantages for gobby I'm not directly involved in UWN, but it seems to me that these aren't real advantages, except for one. * You don't need a special syntax, like the moinmoin syntax in the wiki Not a real distinction between the two - I understand that the UWN is published in the wiki so you should use that syntax (in reality it's still possible for people who don't know the syntax to contribute in either medium because others can tidy up the formatting of their contribution afterwards). * More then one person a time can change the content That's the real advantage!! It would be cool to blend the functionality that gobby provides into the wiki software. * You don't need an account I would have thought that the number of people who can usefully contribute to UWN who have not got a Launchpad account is as close to zero as makes no difference. In fact, as the original poster mentioned, there are some barriers to entry to gobby too (although surely there is a KDE frontend?). It seems to me that your second advantage can in any event be preserved by using gobby and allowing people to contribute anyway via the wiki. When a gobby session is open, there is probably a clever way to mark the wiki page as edit in progress and when it finishes, people can contribute on the wiki again. But as I said, I'm not familiar with the particular workflow of the UWN, so maybe that is not the way things are done. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63890] Re: Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network
Yes, this isn't a bug. ** Changed in: Ubuntu Dapper Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected -- Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network https://launchpad.net/bugs/63890 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3
On Tue, February 6, 2007 4:12 pm, Craig Huffstetler wrote: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3 contains no data/information/files. When will they be up or re-put up? You have the wrong address. The correct address is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3
On Tue, February 6, 2007 4:12 pm, Craig Huffstetler wrote: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd3 contains no data/information/files. When will they be up or re-put up? You have the wrong address. The correct address is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] herd 3 links
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 12:41 -0700, Christer Edwards wrote: Is there an idea when the herd 3 links will be available? per the wiki they are 404 not found. thanks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3/ AFAIK Herd 3 hasn't been released yet. -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] your test pages as linked do not exist
On Tue, January 23, 2007 9:05 pm, Vance Greenway wrote: on this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd2 the links under Reporting Bugs Testing do not work. Please file a bug at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 77311] Re: provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors
If the Ubuntu marketing team is able to maintain such a list and provide it to us, I'm sure we will be able to make appropriate provision on the website. I suggest you bring it up on their mailing list for further discussion. Until then, I'll close the bug here. ** Changed in: ubuntu-website (upstream) Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected -- provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors https://launchpad.net/bugs/77311 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63192] Re: Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu
As with bug 77311, please work with the marketing team to produce such a list, if the project takes off then we will be able to take appropriate steps in relation to the website. Closing this bug for now. ** Changed in: ubuntu-website (upstream) Status: Confirmed = Rejected -- Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/bugs/63192 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 77311] Re: provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors
(It would also be worth going through all the ubuntu-installling vendors and making sure they are on the partners page of the website.) AFAIK that's not how the partners page works. Organisations need to apply for partnership status, Canonical doesn't chase organisations for it, that I know of. http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become -- provide list of Ubuntu hardware vendors https://launchpad.net/bugs/77311 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The Marketing Team Asks for Your Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: This is an old issue which I'd like to revisit. On our first meeting (or, the first recent one), we decided that we don't want a forum. I'd like to know if opinions have changed on this. Mine has been floating around a little bit. With a little bit of work, we could set up a bridge, that would crosspost to the list and vice versa. This has worked for the ubuntu-users ML for months (at least). Yes, good idea to get the forums involved, but a bridge is absolutely vital, to avoid splitting resources and forcing contributors to read them both. - -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpTq8tSaF0w5rBv8RAtmkAJ48RD2th3QsBcIvXM6FeVFpnDi75wCdEwSx EoRPAgyNwYQIFVHuYMuPr64= =nhQM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Forum/Mailing List deltas (was )
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 22:01 +0100, Jan Vancura wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew East wrote: Hi, * Jan Vancura: This is an old issue which I'd like to revisit. On our first meeting (or, the first recent one), we decided that we don't want a forum. I'd like to know if opinions have changed on this. Mine has been floating around a little bit. With a little bit of work, we could set up a bridge, that would crosspost to the list and vice versa. This has worked for the ubuntu-users ML for months (at least). Yes, good idea to get the forums involved, but a bridge is absolutely vital, to avoid splitting resources and forcing contributors to read them both. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org Ryan says a bridge is no problem at all. So - I'm just waiting to hear a few more opinions, and then I'll head over and do it. ARGH! I had no idea it was so easy to set up a bridge between forum and mailing lists. I'm cc:ing -devel-discuss to this because it seems to me that having a bridge to that list from the forum would save a whole lot of effort on the part of those Forum Ambassadors. Coincidentally, I wrote this on the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumAmbassadors the other day. Also, I'd be very interested in one for -doc. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a single mailing list which wouldn't benefit from forum input in this way. -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] small suggestion for UWN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the section where you list new Ubuntu members, please include the urls to each new member's wiki page so that we can read more about them. - -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFn367tSaF0w5rBv8RAgVCAJ0TfHkYy1cISeEM99T/WNiRA4NqmACfV9g0 Gu/R9/04jC+IUJ2qCRjMH3w= =qNg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu 'Happy New Year' card ready for distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christina, * Christina Armstrong: Hi All, We have designed an Ubuntu family 'Happy New Year' card for you to use and send out, it is a 'png' file. I just wanted to a) let you know it is available and b) check the best way of getting it out there - Should it go on The Fridge? people.ubuntu.com? We'd like to put it on the Fridge, but we're concerned at the absence of Xubuntu - people are likely to get offended. Is there a reason for the omission? Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFjYjztSaF0w5rBv8RAvvrAJ4qNQhroXpFkKe0PZAQJ9pODgN2qgCdFKb2 Qd+wtM3BkGXCepwdAXQb3Vw= =pygn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] web typo...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jae Stutzman: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd1 Fixed, thanks. Please file any more bugs you find at https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bugs Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFeJpLtSaF0w5rBv8RAgn4AJoDefwf+ipAzkxdeDupofztNU/q3QCfaVpv DTmwNTFdakOL1bIUQdqkCPM= =VZMe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 63192] Re: Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu
It's very difficult to fix this bug, because such a list would have to be maintained for the whole world. Some local community teams have made some efforts towards gathering such information (see for example the Australian team [1]), but I have the feeling that collating such information on a worldwide basis for the Ubuntu website would be a large job. It may be that the marketing team would be interested in trying to fix this bug, so I'll subscribe them to the bug report. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks -- Ubuntu web site does not say where I can buy a laptop with Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/bugs/63192 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Managing Anything Goes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John, * John Baer: Is there really any other way to manage anything goes? This is not the first time that you have sent a abstract, rambling, unfocused and unconstructive email to this mailing list. Please try and avoid this in future, and the team can continue to focus on its tasks and begin to be productive. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE31O1tSaF0w5rBv8RAnSNAJ43oL4/1mOsnqdaTL88/dXGLFxaggCfdneH 3H21B2dsAbZ4cnxC5r9OTAE= =0uL6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Purpose of the Magazine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Robert McWilliam: On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:13:59 -0400, sara vasquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Robert, we talked about this before Where and when? I remember questions about who the magazine was targeting and why a magazine was needed before but don't remember any clear answers, and a search through the archives just now hasn't turned up anything - which probably means it was sent last week and I am somehow managing to overlook it :) and we know that at the beginning the contetn would be similr I am even going to go and say taht perhaps all that content won't be on a formal magazine publication but be put up as articels on the fridge as we move foward we will get more content that would attract existing users.As for help.ubuntu.com i know many people feel that it is helpfull, but not atractive. We are aiming to make it more graphicl informatinve and graphical. we have actualy discuss how we can make the fridge and magazine interact but so far we have not come up with anything concrete. if you have any ideas let me know. My idea is a bit brutal: don't make a magazine but instead improve what we already have. This is absolutely right. Robert's initial suggestion - contribute news articles to the fridge and documentation to help.ubuntu.com is exactly the direction that those who want to contribute these two types of information should be going in. Feel free to submit any ideas that you have for improving the layout and graphics of either the fridge or help.ubuntu.com as follows: * The Fridge - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * help.ubuntu.com - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both those resources are always looking for new ideas about how to improve, both in terms of presentation and in terms of content. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE2u7ptSaF0w5rBv8RAoFWAJ4t1fCV8MXr3VV8sFdXJjVuoKoAvACfZu4J tV6qhMRne+4+slpsoB/QV8Q= =Yai+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] website bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: BTW, the obtaining Ubuntu section of the FAQ has always, notoriously, been outdated: Website bugs can be filed here: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEu2n1tSaF0w5rBv8RAgkPAJsGbJ+Rx8xo+EISsvpye/Ul1/gYBwCfdALT kSiro1N+vKPnlIEBBnfXA50= =FyGZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: MT goals, {was} Ubuntu Stickers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jan Vancura: Vid Ayer wrote: Hello, On 7/13/06, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Jan Vancura: All profit belongs to the Marketing Team. [snip] Do you think it is really necessary for the marketing team to have financial resources? I have to say that I don't at the moment. I tend to agree. If I understand correctly, revenue generation is not one of the goals for the Marketing team or is it ? Maybe I am missing the picture or too many ideas are popping up resulting in confusion for readers like me. Think of it this way: I privately invest money in printing and sending stickers (with risk to myself, too). I will inevitably have extra money or a deficit in the end. If there's a deficit - I foot it. If there's profit, I say it belongs to the marketing team. I realise now that it's not entirely correct to say so, because the team cannot have property. From now on I will use will be used for the benefit of the marketing team and spreadubuntu. What I intend are small bounties, possible investment in next batch, other material etc.. Bounties are a great way of motivating people. One bounty was given out in the MT, by Lloyd Hardy - for the best marketing idea (I don't remember what it was). The recipient decided he would donate the bounty to a charity :). But taht's not a necessary thing, of course. The whole initiative's purpose is NOT generating revenue, but it might be a side effect. I have to say that I still think that this is quite a dangerous idea. If you are undertaking this project on the basis that you might lose or gain money, I think you should do so on the basis that it is your commercial initiative. I don't think there is anywhere near enough coherence about this so far to form the basis of a marketing team budget for bounties or such. For future marketing team initiatives, it might be best to consider whether to approach them on the basis of breaking even. For example, the documentation team publishes some of its books, and the purchaser pays exactly the price of publishing/postage. That way there is no problem with what to do with royalties, who holds them etc etc. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEugxutSaF0w5rBv8RAkzAAJ9Cs2MDgBqNJxyWEpaRxocruYVoSQCeOo+L m5yNQ1tgxj9QFX5gNJMu+uM= =WwlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Switching from Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Phil Bull: Hi Jan, On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 17:21 +0200, Jan Vancura wrote: I'll just point out that this: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html makes a list of alternatives rather redundant. The page you link to gives a list for Linux distros in general. The intention of the 'Applications' chapter is probably more to introduce new users to the alternatives which Ubuntu provides by default, and then to offer some migration-relevant notes on format compatibility and the like. We weren't intending just to list possible equivalents, although we can probably use that link in the document for 'more information'. I'd like to see such a list. It isn't redundant at all, because more Ubuntu users are likely to see your document than the table on the above website. It's a useful resource though, nice spot Jan. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtLcZtSaF0w5rBv8RAgzwAKCG1xlaDwQ7I1onjJJv7vdIry0LxgCfawxH pgSCwTIZoXQooZpLLCobZM4= =c1+x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: Robert McWilliam wrote: There has been some confusion about exactly what it is we are after in terms of hosting. This has come from us actually looking for a few different things at the same time. 1. Somewhere to put works in progress: This would store text for SU, articles for the magazine etc before they go live. Version control would be good to simplify collaboration. 2. A webserver to host SU: because Spread Ubuntu is still in the design stages we don't know much details about what we're going to need here, we're really just looking for what the options are. 3. Somewhere to put pictures and other files to let others in the team see ideas. Sorry, I don't have a very good explanation of this one, but an example is somewhere for people to upload proposals for the SU artwork. My thinking: launchpad/bzr ought to work for 1. 3 can be accomodated in the wiki (and/or lp/bzr (can you link to files there so they can be downloaded from a browser?)). 2 isn't needed as soon as the others. If there is anything needed that I've missed please post what's needed and we'll try and come up with somewhere. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. Very well summed up, Robert, thanks. There's one thing I disagree with, though. The wiki is slow and cumbersome to host a ton of marketing proposals and I really see no reason to force it. marketing.ubuntu.com/spreadubuntu/proposals would make a much better place IMO. I'd use a simple apache directory or a very simple html file index. Robert is absolutely right. Planning and ideas should be done on the wiki, because all other Ubuntu teams do the same! All developer/documentation/art specifications happen there, and there is no reason for the Marketing team to deviate from that - it is great to have community work happening in the same place. The wiki is also a better place to collaborate than a simple file server because everybody can contribute and work on things together. As for the speed, I'm sure we can do something about that. With regard to Robert's 2, when you need hosting for spreadubuntu.com, the hosting is there for you and I am happy to manage it and give the relevant people access as required. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEq38DtSaF0w5rBv8RAoa7AJ9AEz5b3mz8zBeKpYlgZK68JPp/ywCeJ3N7 AHkPs/zSiBCFIOS3k94hsTg= =n0XQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: Well what do you know :) That's an even better response. I'm very interested - if it's possible, I'd like a svn repo at spread.ubuntu.com, with a permanent repo at marketing.ubuntu.com if needed later on. I'll get on and check that it's ok for you guys to use the server. However, before setting up multiple repositories, make sure that you talk about exactly what you want and why. For a start, there is no reason why you might need more than one version control repository. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqhAitSaF0w5rBv8RAhbnAJ9wd6fwCaB7DnP5owqAcuYbS8s1sACfafUh hB9jV6n2LMhEeD9AtaGV6gU= =M+ba -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Ubuntu in the media
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof: Hi, On this mailinglist we not only discuss about what to do with the MT, but i also see a lot of links to press articles about Ubuntu. Isn't a good idea to put those links on the wiki, on a page like wiki.ubuntu.com/InTheMedia or something? I think it's another part of what a marketing team should do, and it's done with very little effort. Note that there is a collection of these links on fridge.ubuntu.com, it would be worth coordinating with the fridge guys to submit more articles. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqhS+tSaF0w5rBv8RAqOrAJ4+nNM1NoahAhOeCZ2Q/tpZN6GhaQCgiDMR ek943Q6mdfWE5SDfzZJrYeY= =YcjO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: Matthew East wrote: Hi, * Jan Vancura: Well what do you know :) That's an even better response. I'm very interested - if it's possible, I'd like a svn repo at spread.ubuntu.com, with a permanent repo at marketing.ubuntu.com if needed later on. I'll get on and check that it's ok for you guys to use the server. However, before setting up multiple repositories, make sure that you talk about exactly what you want and why. For a start, there is no reason why you might need more than one version control repository. Matt Not at all - spread.ubuntu.com would be the one svn repo we would use for the entire MT, for lack of a better name, while marketing.ubuntu.com would be the finalised material repo, which we don't really need just yet, but might soon. Well, I think that if the entire Gnome project can manage with one repo, then so can the marketing team. So far you haven't said anything that remotely justifies making loads more subdomains... If you want to divide some projects up, then consider registering individual projects in launchpad and making them part of an ubuntu-marketing project. Don't forget that if you feel that you can manage the project code in bzr, then launchpad will host the branches for you. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqj+itSaF0w5rBv8RAjUiAJ9Vc+tJqDJtkw1hU4afwZ0q00yeigCfSzj8 zP0DprOtnngWeW27YheueGA= =j9hK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi again, * Jan Vancura: ATM, all I need is one subdomain - spread.ubuntu.com, to hold the Team's works in progress (Spreadubuntu mockups to start with). I'll look into bzr - Corey said Canonical hosts those subdomains, is that true? So where do we stand, can I expect spread.ubuntu.com to be the future home of the MT's material? Ok, this is getting a bit confusing, so let's clarify some things. As with most of the threads on the list right now, the first thing to identify is what, why, and how. If you decide that you can use bzr for revision control, you don't need any subdomains. Launchpad can host bzr branches under your launchpad product, and you can have a product for each of your initiatives. If you want to use another version control system, consider which you want to use, and how to use it, and you are free to set it up on the docteam server. I'll help, and you can set some things up to play with too. The server is also available if you want a web server, or anything else you want. But please, think about what, why, and how first. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqklatSaF0w5rBv8RAkl5AJ47UQbK6Jig7m9JZdF+MQD4Mg6snACfanWC fPsxC4InBzrWktavhqdQGaM= =o6e/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Repository for Marketing Team works
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Jan Vancura: It is quite obvious that the Team's projects will need a place to store data in progress. SU will be the first to cry out for this, and I have no hosting myself. So, i'm looking for volunteer hosts, temporary or permanent, mainly for the needs of SU. It won't be much to start with, I'll be damned if it grows over 100 MiB. Anyone? On another note, we could approach the CC for a ubuntu.com subdomain - and I propose spread.ubuntu.com for our svn repo for works in progress. marketing.ubuntu.com would suggest finished products, we could use that later for DIY Marketing Items. marketingteam.ubuntu.com is rather too long. Any suggestions, comments, ideas? Yes, why don't you use the documentation team server? We have plenty of resources free, and I can set you up with some stuff. If you are interested, I'll confirm with Henrik/Matthew/WhoeverManagesTheServersRightNow and sort it out. Then you can get the admins to point the relevant subdomains at it (you don't need to ask the CC about this). Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqY9jtSaF0w5rBv8RAtuBAKCJXXjciTMPQU8USNfmqywgu1jVwgCfTq4i V+aE1OtM5giGpq1cHEjrc5I= =wWnv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Contact point for Ubuntu Marketing team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * Matthew Revell: Hi guys, In the IRC meeting, the issue of who should be our team contact point was raised. Jenda is performing that role at the moment, but it's something we need to agree as a team. The role isn't really a team leader but really just a voice to the outside world (although, there's nothing to stop anyone talking to anyone, of course). Sorry if I have missed a trick - I've just started reading this list, but what are the reasons for having a contact point? I think it's important to get those clear, because not all teams require leaders or contacts, and it will affect the way that the duties of the person who takes on the role are defined. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpT0+tSaF0w5rBv8RAqqLAKCIG1H6MhafNCDFmfOvWxDqJ2mTawCfW/w4 d2lRcBWeps3e8svh2z1h1Ts= =kyTP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Re: Contact point for Ubuntu Marketing team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ello, By the way, no need to CC: me, I'll try and follow the list better from now on. * Matthew Revell: Hi Matthew, On 30/06/06, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if I have missed a trick - I've just started reading this list, but what are the reasons for having a contact point? I think it's important to get those clear, because not all teams require leaders or contacts, We didn't discuss that in the meeting and I haven't seen any discussion of it on the list, so I assume that it hasn't been discussed. As I'm new to the way Ubuntu teams are organised, I have to admit that, when the issue was raised, I assumed that teams had a contact point by default. Any reduction in bureaucracy and unnecessary hierarchy is welcome. However, I do wonder if a contact point, or contact points, would be useful within time. For example, if a third-party organisation were looking for a press release or some data on Ubuntu, I think it would be beneficial to have one email address that they could use to contact the team, assuming we ever took on that sort of role for the project. I agree, but I tend to think that [EMAIL PROTECTED] would do the job well, certainly at the beginning. Then perhaps if the need arises, it can be discussed, rather than doing things the other way round. On the other hand, the team might easily feel that a contact person could be helpful from the beginning, I don't know. Let's see how this thread develops. How does it work in the Documentation Team? Looking at your wiki pages, it appears that you don't have one person who takes a team leader or similar role. That's right - we don't have a contact or team leader, and I think it works really well. Decisions are taken on a team basis in meetings or via the mailing list, and 3 or so people administrate the launchpad team (which we use to broadly define who has access to our repository). For what it's worth, the current rule is that the members of that group should be Ubuntu members before joining. I think it will vary according to the dynamic of the team, but I certainly think it's important that if a team establishes a leader/contact, the role is defined. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpUTmtSaF0w5rBv8RAvNGAKCBnPdC48JsxeCIBjN7WvADBIGFMACeLQ7H 3HLde+AT53jSdlydBlvkRQY= =BfP2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Re: The Ubuntu Marketing forums
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 11:53 +0200, Sebastiano Mestre wrote: On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:12 +0100, Matthew East wrote: I have such a disgust matt please take away your disgust for a moment. optimizing efforts is important but i'm not for a fight :) if the problem is overlapping efforts, i believe we should simply discuss and try to define for good what belongs to doc-team and what belongs to mktg-team. anyway i believe some overlapping is going to be natural. think synergy :) - sebastiano Sebastiano, Taking quotes out of context is dangerous and damaging. Please don't do it again. I have no problem with the marketing team, I was simply annoyed at needing to file yet more registration details on a new forum. Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
