sk are
> those who have decided not to be vaccinated and they have
> accepted that risk.
>
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable. COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you
down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing. People have been
prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS. Why not COVID? If you don’t want
the vax, fine but you n
determine they are ready to be
vaccinated.
>>
>> Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a
person is vaccinated
>> and they believe the vaccine works, why are
they concerned
>>
’s determination of necessity for a
>>> >>medical treatment may vary from person to person. Their
>>> >>perception of risk of treatment versus reward of not getting
>>> >>sick is not the same for every instance.Most people are
>>
g are on their second
> infection?
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
There also is the erosion of trust issue. Many government types
le at risk are those who have decided not to be vaccinated and they
have accepted that risk.
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
David,
Do you have any resear
>> Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a person
is vaccinated
>> and they believe the vaccine works, why are
they concerned
>> that others are not vaccinated. The only
people at risk are
risk of treatment versus reward of not getting
>>> >> sick is not the same for every instance.Most people are
>>> >>pretty smart and will make decision in the best interest of
>>> >>their situation. Are we now saying that the indi
enough facts. I suspect most unvaccinated folks will
eventually have enough
>> data to determine they are ready to be vaccinated.
>>
>> Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a person is
vaccinated
>>
saying that the individual can
>> >>no longer make this determination? That people are not smart
>> >>enough to make the decision in their best interest?That
>> >>someone on an email list knows better than each individual
>&
ide for others
> >>whether or not they should take any medical treatment,
> >> especially when we are talking about an experimental
> >>vaccine.If we are suggesting that the group can now make
> >>decisions for manda
gt;>decisions for mandatory medical procedures, that is a pretty
>>slippery slope. I believe in the good of people and their
>>ability to make a good decision when they have enough facts.
>> I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventu
for mandatory medical procedures, that is a pretty
> > slippery slope. I believe in the good of people and their
> > ability to make a good decision when they have enough facts.
> > I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventually have enough
> >
group can now make decisions for mandatory
>>> medical procedures, that is a pretty slippery slope. I believe in the
>>> good of people and their ability to make a good decision when they have
>>> enough facts. I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventually have
>
y, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
David,
Do you have any research of the percentage of people who
"have a valid medical reason" for not taking the vacci
we are suggesting that the group can now make decisions for mandatory
>>> medical procedures, that is a pretty slippery slope. I believe in the
>>> good of people and their ability to make a good decision when they have
>>> enough facts. I suspect most unvaccinated folk
eople and their ability to make a good decision when they have
>> enough facts. I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventually have
>> enough data to determine they are ready to be vaccinated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a person is vacc
gt;
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Robert
> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
>
>
>
> David,
> Do you have any research of the percentage of people who "have a valid
> medical reason&
om: AF
On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat
pol
roup
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
No vaccination is 100% effective. From a public policy
perspective, you need to pull on the levers that work in
order to get R0 to be less than 1. We know that a good
percentag
gt;> to not work on vaccines, we absolutely should as it will
>>>>save lives. But as Carl pointed out below, vaccines aren’t
>>>>100% effective…….
>>>>
>>>>I will lay a friendly wager down. Remember, we had a AIDS
terson
Sent: Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
No vaccination is 100% effective. From a public policy perspective, you need to
pull on the levers that work in order to get R0 to be less than 1. We know that
a good
ose who have decided not
to be vaccinated and they have accepted that risk.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Robert
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
David,
Do you have any research of the percentage of people who "have a
valid medic
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
David,
Do you have any research of the percentage of people who "have a valid
medical reason" for not taking the vaccine? I don't imagine it's anywhere
near the 45% of the US population the is refusing that are not below the
current age
161 iq here, I ain't got stuck with that devil juice. Them doctorin folk
ain't turnin my bone box into no chemistry set.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:26 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
> That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb
> when it comes to sports, religon, and politics.
heir right to chose.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
No vaccination is 100% effective. From a public policy perspective,
you need to pull on the levers that work in order
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*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 3:32 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
There is no having a sane discussion on this topic. This is more like
a whining child having an open temper-tantrum in public. Un-vaxxed
Sorry. When the list is down for a few days I am jonesin’ for a fix.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 23, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> I have thought the same thing.. You could even consider the Dems from Tx
> as an anti-vax attack squad...
>
>
>
> But Kids...
>
>
>
>
> On
that decided to go
ahead with the vaccination get to make medical decisions for those
who aren’t comfortable with an experimental vaccine.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I'm
I have thought the same thing.. You could even consider the Dems from
Tx as an anti-vax attack squad...
But Kids...
On 7/23/21 10:55 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to
start saying "take the vaccine or not, we
f AIDS and people still die from it.
> No one talks about it any more. Covid will be the same way in 10 years.
> That is my bet.
>
>
>
> Again, lots of stuff to poke holes in here I am sure. My only original
> point was that there are valid reasons folks chose not to get vac
Of
Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
No vaccination is 100% effective
only original
> point was that there are valid reasons folks chose not to get vaccinated.
> We can’t and shouldn’t know what they are, but should respect their right to
> chose.
>
>
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
>
en’t? Am I worried the vaccine doesn’t work? Do I think
> it is necessary to force people to take an experimental drug for their
> own good will against their will?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
> *To:* David
Bingo Forest...you can't fix stupid.
My flame retardant suit will protect me.
Lost two cousins and four friends to it so far...
So fuck Covid-19
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 11:56 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the
.
From: AF On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
No vaccination is 100% effective. From a public policy perspective, you need
to pull on the levers that work in order to get R0 to be less than
that it is not FDA
> approved?
>
>
>
> Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should
> have. But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with
> the vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t
> comfortable with
t: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
There is no having a sane discussion on this topic. This is more like a
whining child having an open temper-tantrum in public. Un-vaxxed persons are a
health hazard and attempting to explain
gt;
> From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:27 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
>
> If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will
> increase, right? A
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] OT somewhat pol
021 11:55 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to
start saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we
would prefer that you don't so there are less
.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find
r own good will against their will?
Regards,
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
*To:* David Coudron
*Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free?
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- Original Message -
From: "David Coudron"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I know, we can all make our own decisions. However, I don’t believe I hav
to take an experimental drug for their
own good will against their will?
Regards,
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
*To:* David Coudron
*Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed
> with an experimental vaccine.
>
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
>
> I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
>
> On 7
risk again.
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- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Macenski"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:00:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMU
Ditto Adam
On 7/23/21 12:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that
folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not
.
From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly
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From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 4:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
Q: Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed
haven’t? Am I worried the vaccine doesn’t work? Do I think it is
> necessary to force people to take an experimental drug for their own good
> will against their will?
>
> Regards,
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
> To: David Coudron
> Cc: A
gt;
>>
>> As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic. I
>> don’t understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to
>> being told they have to do something. This should be a scientific
>> discussion. If definitely sho
ely shouldn’t be about public shame. We don’t
> know the medical situation of those that chose not to participate in an
> experimental medical treatment.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalF
will against
their will?
Regards,
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
To: David Coudron
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2021
I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that
folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.
1. Folks who do that never talk about
f those that chose not to participate in an
> experimental medical treatment.
>
> Regards,
> From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somew
Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated...
How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds?
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM
They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated...
How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds?
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat
I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to start
saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we would prefer
that you don't so there are less of you to vote next go around".
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson
wrote:
> That assumes IQ==Comon
Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb
when it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a
subset**of people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and
specifically the covid vaccines, are somehow
something. He is not spouting anti vax
stuff at work any more. Have not asked him if he got the vax but I hope.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots
That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb when
it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a subset of people
have convinced themselves that vaccines, and specifically the covid
vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck
The largest, so far, Darwin Award is about to pop on the website...
On 7/23/21 10:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Real life Darwin heory.
bp
On 7/23/2021 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average
will increase, right? Always good
Anyone on that side of the fence at this point is drowning in the gene
pool...
On 7/23/21 10:06 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I have relatives who are telling me they don't think the mRNA vaccines
have been tested enough. How many hundreds of millions does that take?
bp
On 7/23/2021 9:27 AM,
I have relatives who are telling me they don't think the mRNA
vaccines have been tested enough. How many hundreds of millions
does that take?
bp
On 7/23/2021 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via
AF wrote:
If the covid
Real life Darwin heory.
bp
On 7/23/2021 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via
AF wrote:
If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global
IQ average will increase, right? Always good when your team
If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will
increase, right? Always good when your team wins. --
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