Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Potential Further Absurdity (@Notary)

2024-07-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/8/24 16:46, Mischief via agora-business wrote,: > On 7/8/24 9:01 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > >> Please increase the complexity of the office to 1, if there is ever a >> redraft. Otherwise, I'll petition the ADoP later, so its ok. > I didn't include it in the proposal because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
how about a dodging mechanic? give everyone a speed value, or perhaps they can buy bulletproof vests? On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 19:33, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:04 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:04 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I don't think that requiring 2 Bangs to kill someone will necessarily slow > down the game once the match starts. We've seen that players (others and > myself) can easily use

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:34 AM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 06:55 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means > > to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable, provided

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-15 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
> > The eliminated player has no obvious use for the granted bang, as it > will be destroyed before they next become alive. Is this intended to > give em something to trade with? > I believe so too, and I think that it's a good design because it gives (dead) players something to keep playing the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:08 PM Jaff via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office > without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a > safer fix would be preventing a player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:53 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I suggest "un-noted" to prevent all instances of noting 1 infraction > multiple times. That doesn’t fix the original issue, as an infraction can be investigated without being noted. And I don’t really think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { >> A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction >> committed by any other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 3:07 PM Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 12:44, Gaealn Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if >> there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * > Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy >> of archival. > > hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Vacations

2024-01-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 2:10 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/28/24 14:04, nix via agora-business wrote: > > A player CAN flip the Delegate switch of a specified office to > > emself with Agoran Consent. If the Delegate switch of an office is >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/5/24 01:42, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: >> >> { >> >> The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) >> part of em, in addition

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 11/19/23 18:44, Goren Barak via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-11-19 16:24, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal: >> >> // >> Title: A simple fix >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: snail

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Which is why you press the button every 144 hours that are reliable to you: or setup scheduled emails. I feel like also this is similar to apathy but now you have to track it: anyone can block as long as they press the button fre. 2. jun. 2023, 12:29 p.m. skrev ais523 via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 14:33, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: >> Changes: >> - Generally cleaned up wording >> - Handle rice at Lost and Found >> - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case >> where a person is in both the up and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
This has been the best possible outcome lør. 20. mai 2023, 11:07 p.m. skrev Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > > > {Adoption index = 3 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > {Adoption index = 3 > > [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all > the time.] Exactly what non-small change would you want here? Your

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: >> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I >> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 > Sufficient carefulness would be not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was resolved, or your timer was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:03 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able > to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well > this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc, especially ones that have to be that way because of ambiguity. Because we don't know for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-12 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 1:31 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > > strength on the proposal if they would vote against

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-12 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength > only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, it'll > get turned

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:08 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class > to > > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/8/23 03:39, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > - It's very easy to find trades that are net beneficial for the traders. > Most people seem to agree that trading Stamps 1-for-1 is generally > reasonable and a good trade. Just have the same person do that enough times > with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 13:55 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > my current thoughts are along the lines of "add Radiance for > participation actions like proposing / officiating / judging / even > voting And to clarify: by this I mean voting *at all*, not specifically for contrary votes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old “experience” -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]

2023-05-07 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/7/23 16:46, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: I agree, it's not surplusage. A finding that "amend" can include changes other than those explicitly described in Rule 105 would render it surplus. I guess this is the last time I try to write compromise text, if it's going to be used to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:17 AM Aspen via agora-business wrote: > > On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun

2023-05-02 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> [Proposal 8639 >> failed to make this change because it used "amend" for a power change. > > If everyone involved including you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-05-01 11:46]: > Maybe making the delegation subject to a public volunteer process - so it’s > treated differently if more than one person want the job, so the > hand-picking potential is more limited? I suggest we treat this the same way as the list of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:46, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around > to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail > and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was > technically

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get > faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… > there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old > “experience” - the two

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:37 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > > I'm not sure what that looks like. > > Crucial typo. I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. I'd prefer just trusting the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:18, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > The other part of this is: Janet is Rulekeepor purely because no one has > bothered to try to take the position properly. The Elections are meant to > encourage shakeups, but without sufficient platforms for change, then we > shalln't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Hrm, now that you mention it I think that would be better, yeah. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:38 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > I'm not sure what that looks like. Crucial typo. I think ideally everything is doable *without* automation. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:28, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh, I see now, that's very good. > > Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so > that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that > some offices require. This will be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I see now, that's very good. Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that some offices require. But besides resorting to just having everyone play on Google Sheets in parallel to the regular

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:04, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to > themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first > place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. > > Maybe we can encourage

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. Maybe we can encourage officers to make/use public tools and tutorials that anyone can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. My main concern is still the time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:45 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was technically resigning without the expectation of getting the job back I think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:38, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main > officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the > person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. > > The bench positions are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. The bench positions are elected or otherwise offered to everyone equally somehow. On Mon, May 1,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Well... I'd like to see Janet take a break and we'll find out how this process works anyways. It's all part of perfecting these processes I don't imagine anyone would willingly volunteer to be a delegate, considering that few even opted to become candidates in the recent elections. On Mon,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:32, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be > the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the > office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. Oh I see.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:24 PM nix via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:20, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: >> I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly >> encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of >> who will get the privilege of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly > encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of > who will get the privilege of choose who get to be the next Delegate or > not. Having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
It's actually the opposite: right now we HAVE dynasties of players who just have had these roles forever, and they've never taken a break. Encouraging them to take a break, and specifying a different player, forces more change-ups than we have currently, because we trust so much currently in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Unradiance

2023-04-15 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On 4/15/23 09:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I think the other forms to gain radiance seem alright, actually. This just removes the "radiance conditions", of the which I'm not a huge fan of (gaining radiance from proposals, mostly) On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Unradiance

2023-04-15 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think the other forms to gain radiance seem alright, actually. This just removes the "radiance conditions", of the which I'm not a huge fan of (gaining radiance from proposals, mostly) On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Standardizing language

2023-04-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 14:57, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: (Also, it might be better to include context rather than just "first instance of 'may'".) Why? Eliminates any chance of accidentally changing the wrong thing due to a concurrent proposal, and is clearer for the reader on what's being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Standardizing language

2023-04-10 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 15:51, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-04-10 15:41]: >> On 4/10/23 15:38, juan via agora-business wrote: >>> I create and submit the following proposal: >>> >>> { >>> Title: Standardizing CANs >>> Author: juan >>> A.I.: 3.0 >>> >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism

2023-03-27 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/27/23 16:49, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> An Ascetic cannot gain Radiance. Once per week, an Ascetic can Meditate by >> announcement. Doing so grants them 1 Stamp of their own Type, plus 1 more >> if the current period they have been an Ascetic for is more than 1 month in >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism

2023-03-27 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
This Proposal wouldn't remove the ability to do so to those who would like to play that way. So, you could still do that if you want. On Monday, March 27, 2023, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 08:53 skrev Yachay Wayllukuq

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Limited tracking

2023-02-12 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 3:19 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I would not like to be considered a coauthor on this one, as IIRC my only > contribution was to speak against the cfj changes which you kept, so I > don’t endorse that. I think having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 1/22/2023 1:55 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 1/22/23 12:42, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Janet wrote: [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to Is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/22/23 12:42, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet wrote: > [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to >>> Is this actually true? I thought that had something to do with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to Is this actually true? I thought that had something to do with auctions, which were repealed about a month ago, and any rule or regulation

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-15 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/15/23 15:47, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet wrote: > >> [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful >> stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to > Is this actually true? I thought that had something to do with auctions,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Cheepening

2022-08-20 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
> On Aug 20, 2022, at 12:11 AM, Madrid via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I don't think this helps much because the game is still mostly limited to > those in the upper half or so of money ranking fmpov because it's still a > money-fuelled competitive game. juan had 11 players ahead of em

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's B safe out there

2022-08-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2022-08-18 09:23]: > > On 8/18/2022 9:07 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2022-08-18 07:51]: > >> I submit the following Proposal: > >> Title: "Time B Safe" > >> AI: 4 > >> co-authors: Jason, Murphy. > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's B safe out there

2022-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/18/2022 9:07 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2022-08-18 07:51]: >> I submit the following Proposal: >> Title: "Time B Safe" >> AI: 4 >> co-authors: Jason, Murphy. >> - >> >> Amend Rule 1698 (Agora Is A Nomic) by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Spivak Standardization Act

2022-08-15 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 8/15/22 22:39, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Nitpicks: > >> The Spivak pronouns (e/em/eir) are hereby recognized as the standard >> third-person singular personal pronouns in Agora. In official contexts, >> players SHOULD use them when referring to non-specific persons or, in >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Speaker Appointment Clarification

2022-06-22 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > ... > If 90+ is true, the last 90 is also true. > oh... my... goodness! -mindblown- how did I not see that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Speaker Appointment Clarification

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 2:46 PM, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:41 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> Amend Rule 103 (The Speaker) by replacing "held continuously by the same >> person for 90+ days" with "held

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Decriminalizing Lateness

2022-05-08 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/8/22 17:44, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: A good start, but has room for improvement. Suggested revision:   4. For filled offices with a weekly report, the number of weeks in scope, and the number and percent of those weeks during which the officeholder

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Re: endgame

2022-05-08 Thread Madrid via agora-discussion
we already know that informal auctions are clearly superior to formal ones so what about informal win conditions? this is the next step in agoran evolution On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 9:19 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 5/8/2022 11:13 AM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Re: endgame

2022-05-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/8/2022 11:13 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 11:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I withdraw my previous proposal, Endgame. >> >> I submit the following proposal, Endgame, AI-1, and pay a pendant to pend it: >> >> --- >> >> Create the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Decriminalizing Lateness

2022-05-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/7/2022 3:50 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/7/22 16:57, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I agree with moving to something like this in principle, but I think that >> the metric needs work. >> >> - you can clear your name by resigning and re-deputizing for the office;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Decriminalizing Lateness

2022-05-07 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/7/22 16:57, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: I agree with moving to something like this in principle, but I think that the metric needs work. - you can clear your name by resigning and re-deputizing for the office; FWIW if someone did do this they'd then have to do their job

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] VP Win clarification

2022-05-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2022-05-02 at 22:43 -0300, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > secretsnail9 via agora-business [2022-05-02 19:03]: > > I submit the following proposal, and pend it by paying a fee of 1 pendant. > > { > > Amend Rule 2621 (VP Wins) by replacing "If a player has at least 20 more > > Winsomes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Madrid via agora-discussion
Kind of crossposting from Discord but: Ive played loads of the Sets game (I won once!!) and it was very fun while I was engaged with it. I didn't mind that the part of gathering 4 for a Set was "solveable", because the fun of the game wasn't there, it was in what Ais has pointed out, where you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/8/22 14:58, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Huh? I don't think Cards are solved at all, and that's part of the >> reason I find them interesting. We've solved the problem of forming >> sets using cards from players who are active and willing to trade, but >> there are lots of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/8/2022 12:52 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 19:45 +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 4/8/22 13:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Also, while timing scams are interesting gameplay, I don't think it's a >>> good idea to change the rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 19:45 +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 4/8/22 13:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Also, while timing scams are interesting gameplay, I don't think it's a > > good idea to change the rules for the sole purpose of making them easier > > to perform. In

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/8/22 13:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Also, while timing scams are interesting gameplay, I don't think it's a > good idea to change the rules for the sole purpose of making them easier > to perform. In this specific situation, the timing element is likely to > be repealed soon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/22 14:05, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 13:54 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit, but do not pend, the following proposal: >> >> Title: No finger pointing on behalf > FWIW, I'd prefer to expand the set of actions-on-behalf rather than >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Madrid via agora-discussion
Oh, I had in mind to allow people to set up their own bots from their own email and revel in that anyone now has botting power. On Friday, April 8, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/8/22 14:21, Madrid via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ive been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/8/2022 11:05 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 13:54 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit, but do not pend, the following proposal: >> >> Title: No finger pointing on behalf > > FWIW, I'd prefer to expand the set of actions-on-behalf rather

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/22 14:21, Madrid via agora-discussion wrote: > Ive been looking into mailbots for officerless game tracking. > > If Contracts/Acting on Behalf gets repealed I'm up for using the same tech > for bots that can replace it. > > Actually, they could be useful too for secret "contracts",

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Madrid via agora-discussion
Ive been looking into mailbots for officerless game tracking. If Contracts/Acting on Behalf gets repealed I'm up for using the same tech for bots that can replace it. Actually, they could be useful too for secret "contracts", currently... On Friday, April 8, 2022, ais523 via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal](@Treasuror) Birds v2

2022-03-24 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:28 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Create a rule with title "Permits", power 1.0, and the following text: > > { > > > >Beast Permitted is a secured negative boolean person switch, > >tracked by the Avicultor in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The End of Sets

2022-03-24 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/24/22 12:49, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > This should specify the order of the repeals – repealing two rules > without specifying the order doesn't work. (This is an important > mechanic, both for working out the resulting gamestate in cases where > it matters, and for catching

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Hexeract

2022-03-23 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > A player CAN swap the locations of two specified spaces by paying a fee > of > > 5 Movies. > > The grid rule doesn't clearly support this. I think, in general, it > would be better to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Scoring Integer Points

2022-02-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:46 PM Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I knew the meaning from both math and programming, but I still think it > would look and flow better to express it as "rounded down". > > Greetings, > Ørjan. > The ruleset has no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Scoring Integer Points

2022-02-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 9:45 PM Aspen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 1:41 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:47

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Scoring Integer Points

2022-02-28 Thread Sarah S. via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 9:45 PM Aspen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 1:41 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:47 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Scoring Integer Points

2022-02-28 Thread Aspen via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 1:41 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:47 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I submit the below proposal, and then pay a pendant to pend it: > > > > Title:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] quorum fix

2022-02-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/1/2022 2:48 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/1/22 16:38, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote: >> Unless I am completely misunderstanding the CFJ 3938 ruling a quorum can >> never be 1. >> > > That's under the current rules, due to the clause that would be changed >

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