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-Werner, is this a contest?
Didn't know anyone was keeping count! Haven't been posting much, but
still reading!
Not a contest, Just the facts/statistics.
Werner
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The Broadway ARTS LLC Group hopes to revitalize
theBroadway corridor. I have been reading so much about this with
very little said about what's really happening.
None of the current owners are being allowed to participate in this plan
and the plan will allow the use of eminent domain,
Again, I wouldn't even respond to this arrogance and ignorance except
that racism and classism shouldn't be ignored, in whatever form it
comes. Blue Bishop--whoever you are-- I never said that there are no
racists in Asbury Park. Believe me, it's alive and well. I don't know
who Dan is, I
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyact [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't attack, I attacked your assinine comment. My name is Dan
Sciannameo. Take off the tin foil hat and you'll stop hearing and
seeing code words when there are none.
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Little Bo Peep, you must be lost with your flock. This is an Asbury
Park group not a Long Branch group. Please re-direct your post to
the proper group from now on. :~}
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Broadway ARTS LLC Group hopes to revitalize the
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Please... give me a break
Further more what does the City need with two buildings.? Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments.? Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss.? All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their
I have a question for you Gary about what you wrote below (I've
often wondered this same thing about PBS Channel 13).
If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why
in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing
to pay for stuff they want? No
Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in
need of government funding proof that people really don't care
enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are
not the best tourist draws?
Do you really think that Broadway, Off-Broadway, and Off-Off Broadway really
If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why
in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing
to pay for stuff they want?
If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on
highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in
Last night while at the Wonder Bar, for the Asbury Music Awards
Awareness Showcase, I was approached by Caroline O'Toole manager and
chief bottle washer of the Stone Pony.
What transpired may or may not offend 12 year olds, but I'm certain
the language will deeply upset an old maid resident of
On 10/3/05 4:02 PM, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why
in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing
to pay for stuff they want?
If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on
Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken
no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are
saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great
Adventure thrive financially with no government subsidy, yet
theaters and art districts, which you
Roads are government owned, Skip. That isn't a private subsidy.
If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on
highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in
the
world would we have to subsidize roads?
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On 10/3/05 4:27 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken
no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are
saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great
Adventure thrive financially with no
Or why do we subsidize the airline industry?
Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain
themselves.
Why do we offer grants and assistance to business owners?
Usually to start them up, not to sustain them. If it is to sustain
them, then it is because they aren't a big
New York theaters put on professional shows. Locally you get the
ocassional touring company. Someone from Jersey isn't going to drive
to AP to see some community theatre. Hey Judy! Hey Mickey! Let's put
on a show!
Who wants those artsy fartsy wierdos hanging around their
neighborhoods anyway?
On 10/3/05 4:49 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or why do we subsidize the airline industry?
Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain
themselves.
I don't understand. Why is that okay? People do not HAVE to fly. By
subsidizing the industry and rescuing
I know who he was. One of the Wilson brothers from the Beach Boys!
];~)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 4:27 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've
taken
no position here. I'm
At 8:49 PM + 10/3/05, bluebishop82 wrote:
Or why do we subsidize the airline industry?
Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain
themselves.
Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a
question, not an assertion.)
What about AmTrak?
Roads are government owned, Skip. That isn't a private subsidy.
Roads, fuel and automobile manufacturers are subsidized initially to
develop that industry, today habitually because the risk of not doing
so is the loss of too many votes for either of the oligopolist parties
to risk.
The same
I always got those two confused! Well he's dead now so no more
confusion. ];~)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know who he was. One of the Wilson brothers from the Beach
Boys!
You're confusing August with Ringo.
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The only people I see outside that theater are drug dealers. They
must be waiting to see West Side Story or Valley of the Dolls. ]:~)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 4:51 PM, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
New York theaters put on professional
On 10/3/05 5:20 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
s for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other
things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR
and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work
for a living like the rest of us.
Cetainly is a concept that is on the table for me. Of course the
airling subsidy might be the payoff for such extreme regulation.
Perhaps the way to end the subsidy is to de-regulate and let business
handle their business, which also means my tax money gets to stay in my
pocket.
By all
I agree that there are certainly pieces of art that I wouldn't call artwork,
although I am sure that some people would think otherwise. I love being
called a cultural elitist because it shows that people aren't paying
attention.
I want art - all forms of art. Express every viewpoint. I'm not
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
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As for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other
things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS,
NPR
and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders
work
for a living
I'm with you. Let's cut the rest of the pork along with the arts. We
can start with everything Democrat Senator (and former KKK recruiter)
Robert Byrd has ever proposed in his entire career, since he holds the
record for more pork projects than any other Senator in history (and
he's still at
On 10/3/05 5:32 PM, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only people I see outside that theater are drug dealers. They
must be waiting to see West Side Story or Valley of the Dolls. ]:~)
Guess it must be a different crowd on press nights...
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If it's so bad to subsidize the arts then why has virtually every town/city
in America used the arts to be the first step in the revitilization of their
town?
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Gary you said:
But when you want to cut off funding for the arts because it expresses
opinions that you don't agree with, that's where we disagree.
Actually we don't disagree on that, we disagree on this - I don't want
to fund anyone's opinion, right or left. You apparantly do.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Everytime I hear those left wing-nuts on PBS and NPR, I cringe that
my
tax dollars are forced to pay for left wing ideologues. Everytime I
have to hear of my tax dollars paying for art such as Piss Christ
or the
They say a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. I guess old Tommy Boy
too.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pick a side. Are we good or bad? You with America or against her?
In other words Gary, Do you still beat your wife?
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On 10/3/05 7:06 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you not read his post bashing Americans?
You called me unpatriotic. Well, free speech is (currently) still a part of
the constitution. Patriots are supposed to follow the constitution are they
not?
So, if you're against the free
On 10/3/05 5:43 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm with you. Let's cut the rest of the pork along with the arts. We
can start with everything Democrat Senator (and former KKK recruiter)
Robert Byrd has ever proposed in his entire career, since he holds the
record for more pork
I can see Werner going crazy with these posts that bare only a small
reference to Asbury Park
Blue: since you said you didn't want to fund anyone's ideas - right or
left...
How do you feel about our tax dollars funding schools? Personally, I think
it's horrible that my money largely goes
Dead wrong. Pat Fasano brought back the downtown; and it is because
he built condos above the stores, not art galleries.
Check with Stuart K to see if art started Jersey City's comeback.
I seriously doubt it; construction of office buildings and condos
did the trick.
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I don't want to stop you from speaking; I just don't think I should be
forced to pay for your microphone.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 7:06 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you not read his post bashing Americans?
You called
I appreciate
everything that was said about my concerns in respect to another land grab by
evoking eminent domain!!
Now a few follow up remarks:
The little bow peep remark and comment... Not worth a remark!!! You
would do well to learn the lessons on Miriam before you experience them.
Common ground for us again, my friend. My second biggest knock on
Bush is that he has never, ever used a veto. Every bit of pork has
gone through. Let's stop it all.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 5:43 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that
training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on
the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it
art.
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I can see Werner
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Break The Bank
Theatres are great I too enjoy them. I will be performing in a community theatre play this holiday season. I also took classes at the Long Branch Equity Theatre. However, why would it benefit a small community like Long Branch with three theatres???
On 10/3/05 7:47 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that
training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on
the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it
art.
And with that you forget
However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in
math and science will have a far better impact on the world than
training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art.
Being ever so sensitive to your moods, and not wanting to call you a
liar, might you tell us where oh
Does anyone else notice since funding for the fine arts have been cut
in Public Schools in the mid-90s how embarrassingly small high school
bands have gotten? You can also say the cutting of physical education
budgets is positively correlated to the level of childhood obesity.
Whatever
On 10/3/05 8:20 PM, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can I assume from your argument against subsidies that you are against
PILOT programs tax abatements for million-dollar townhouses?
Not only that, but I'm guessing he's definitely against the use of tax
abatements to lure people into
Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, AirTran others have developed a pretty
profitable business model without using the government
subsidies/government regulation.
I don't have an opinion on Amtrak, as the only people I know who use
it on a regular basis are politicians lobbyists.
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I care for it so little that I'm willing to make a trade. How about no
abatements of private condo taxes in exchange for no funding of PBS,
NPR and NEA? Deal? My side is ready. Your side won't compromise as
usual.
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Skippy you've grown very mean from being drunk everyday. (hiccup!).
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However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid
in
math and science will have a far better impact on the world than
training him to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Did you not read his post bashing Americans? Also, your use of that
chestnut is way off. If is only appropriate if I'm boxing an answer
in my questions. Below are clearly either or questions.
Tom, if not boxing
If saying what he said wasn't bashing America, what exactly would
qualify as bashing America?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Did you not read his post bashing Americans? Also,
Greetings if you missed my live broadcast at 8 PM you can catch the replay
as it repeats 10:30 pm and every hour on the half hour through the
morning.
It was a good show.
Being that this is an asbury chat board you can catch the broadcast on the
webat the following:
Boy are you starving for attention! ]:~)
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Greetings if you missed my live broadcast at 8 PM you can catch
the replay
as it repeats 10:30 pm and every hour on the half hour through
the morning.
It was a good show.
Being that
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If saying what he said wasn't bashing America, what exactly would
qualify as bashing America?
Many things I assume, but I would have to judge each individually. But
short of saying all Americans suck, or that this is a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
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As for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other
things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS,
NPR
and the
To come to your conclusion Dan, you must ignore that Gary didn't
think he was talking about a subject of mere frivolity as you
suggest (Paris Hilton). To Gary, we are worse people than the
Europeans because of their great respect for art and our lack of
it. To Gary, this is one of the most
Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough
about the Arts to support it on the open market.
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why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like
this?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough
about the Arts to support it on the open market.
Many things I assume, but I would have to judge each individually. But
short of saying all Americans suck, or that this is a terrible country
to live in, I don't think much. I certainly have not heard any bashing
on this forum. What makes you the arbiter of whether someone's
criticisms of
On 10/3/05 10:58 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To come to your conclusion Dan, you must ignore that Gary didn't
think he was talking about a subject of mere frivolity as you
suggest (Paris Hilton). To Gary, we are worse people than the
Europeans because of their great respect for
On 10/3/05 10:59 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough
about the Arts to support it on the open market.
Right... And yet those same pieces deemed controversial or unworthy of
being called art now command millions of dollars
Art is in the eyes of the beholder.
Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those
endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's
complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no
standards. Why should I respect it?
Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those
endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's
complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no
standards. Why should I respect it?
Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man
Hiccup! Have another Skippy.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in
those
endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's
complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by
why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like
this?
How could we not; to ignore him is to let all those 12 year olds he
feigns concern for to think his diatribe acceptable; idiots like our
BlindBishop must be confronted and what the hell, it's fun taking him
apart.
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Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your
little world.
Hiccup!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
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wrote:
Hiccup!
Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your
little world.
Hell even I capitalize Christianity so who's making fun?
I know and have known a great many Christians and have to say you're
no Christian; you're a nasty greedy little man, seemingly incapable of
doing or
You know what would be good Skip? If you talked to me in person
like you do on this board. Why is it that you write with such
bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet
connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and
whisper through your cracking voice
Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the
security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person
you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice
Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to
let me know face to face he'd throw
You are obviously drunk this late at night as well. Hopefully
tomorrow you will be sober enough at some point to realize what a
big mistake you're making old man.
Get a job. Hiccup!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why is it that you write with
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