[AsburyPark] Re: Governor Corzine's Anti Crime Roll Out; Pt. 3 in Camden

2007-10-11 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: We need funding to help get the funding to have our City covered in this program we need camberas in AP Michael Brim no question about it we need cameras, the uez doesnt have funds? here is a

[AsburyPark] Re: Cost of Events

2007-10-11 Thread rook782
Good Point, I hope we can get these cost figures. Transparency is key to good government in New Jersey. Since we had the past corruption problems, Asbury Park has to double its efforts in its open access to information. I'm curious, as you know, about the Mayor's Ball. --- In

[AsburyPark] Re: Cost of Events

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Point, I hope we can get these cost figures. Transparency is key to good government in New Jersey. I'll put up $100 towards the cost of YOUR cameras if someone produces how dollars are allocated to what: UEZ: amount

[AsburyPark] more spingsteen and AP : MAGIC

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
Magic, the title of Springsteen's album will earn Bruce some nice money. Magic, how AP manages to make money disappear. That's it for the day. Work to do. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings:

[AsburyPark] Re: Cost of Events

2007-10-11 Thread wernerapnj
Don't forget those Green Acres Grants and Historic Preservation Grants. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: Good Point, I hope we can get these cost figures. Transparency is key to good

[AsburyPark] Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread denise
You guys are really funny thanks for the laughs. The bottom line is could they have spent less money the answer is yes. Could they have used the money more wisely yes but, the money was there and the people were hollering about no recreation and the water spouts and the pool at the boys and

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
Anybody remember a pogo stick? denise is the only repsonse I got for the who should get money in AP: Pop Warner. Who needs the pogo stick? Between the 5 of us, I bet we'd all chip in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[AsburyPark] Re: recreation

2007-10-11 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy? The fight against computer/video games is an endless battle. I start out by standing next to them mimicing the sound of the keyboard (clackity clackity clackity clackity). Then I move to sarcasm: Cool kids have human

[AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread rook782
I went to Jewell Marketings website. I think I found out why the idea of a hundred banjo players was marketed for the Apple Festival. Mr. Jewell teaches banjos. Not only are we paying them for marketing, were paying for them to have a banjo bash. One last note, Jewell Marketing is from Fair

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread Allan Peterson
What is the job of Jewell? PR or running events? If we hired them for PR, looking at the website, we hired the wrong company. However, if their role is only to stage these events, then I guess we are getting what we pay for. I thing the city needs a PR firm. - Original Message

[AsburyPark] Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
So, last night I went to Old Man Rafferty's for the first time. I loved it. The decore is dark and elegant, and the staff was really friendly. Not overly friendly, friendly with dignity. Seating was comfortable, and the view of Cookman was cool. The food was really good. Great menu, interesting

[AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
I thing the city needs a PR firm. I could think of a few people who think we know it all and can do it. Send the check, please. We'll even buy some stuff for recreation, with our names plastered on it. If I were them, I would of gone back to the old slogan Jewell of the Jersey Shore.

[AsburyPark] Re: Governor Corzine's Anti Crime Roll Out; Pt. 3 in Camden

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: We need funding to help get the funding to have our City covered in this program we need camberas in AP Michael Brim Morris, Johnson Associates, a subsidiary of The Birdsall Services Group was

[AsburyPark] Re: Governor Corzine's Anti Crime Roll Out; Pt. 3 in Camden

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Let's all start contacting the folks Tommy listed in the post addressed to me. I'll bump it up so you can check it out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: FYI: We need funding to help get

[AsburyPark] Re: For Jack

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Bump --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Ran into Johna Karpinski again and told her of you again. She has some funding initiatives going for your park there. She told me to give you her number. She works at Conover: 732-897-9200 x 127. You

[AsburyPark] Re: For Jack

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Here's one thing to think about. I wonder if the City is dragging their feet on this because people perceive there to be a lull in crime at the moment. That's the wrong attitude to take. We still have problems here that need to be strongly combated. We can't wait for another incident like what

[AsburyPark] paramount

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
Facade of Paramount Theatre to be restored by November Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/11/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK — Larry Potter and his Landmark Studio crew out of Pittstown, Hunterdon County, hope to finish up the first phase of their restoration work on the

Re: [AsburyPark] Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Allan Peterson
Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in people, a lot of people. Hard to say that about what was there before. Allied created a successful place out of a ruin. You man not agree with retail on the water however,

[AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thing the city needs a PR firm. I could think of a few people who think we know it all and can do it. Send the check, please. We'll even buy some stuff for recreation, with our names plastered on it. If I

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
I guess it's a matter of taste. I hate it with a passion. I gave it a chance, but I still think it's horrible. And your comment about it being a destination illustrates a point close to my heart. In my opinion, living in a culture where a horrible piece of architecture becomes a destination

[AsburyPark] PR - Cole Porter included AP in a song

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
Is it an earthquake or simply a shock? Is it the good turtle soup or merely the mock? Is it a cocktail, this feeling of joy? Or is what I feel the real mccoy? Is it for all time or simply a lark? Is it granada I see or only asbury park? Is it a fancy not worth thinking of? Or is it at long last

[AsburyPark] NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
October 11, 2007 City's Virtues to Be Sold in New Global Ad Campaign By PATRICK McGEEHAN New York City has historically relied on its own magnetism to draw visitors from around the country and the world. But now, the home of Madison Avenue is going to try advertising itself in a big, broad way.

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread denise
Did they do a show from convention hall once before? - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:55:15 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Transparency --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did they do a show from convention hall once before? they did two small shows in the paramount,over two years, it had quite a few of the people you see on tv but not all, it was a scaled down version, really good, kate

[AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
See, it's a matter of taste. Maybe I'm too old school to assimilate to things like Pier Village. All I can say is that of course some people will flock to something like that, because it's all they know anymore. But compared to a earlier time in our culture, Pier Village is an abomination.

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread Gary Wien
Hasn't Jewell Marketing had an office in Asbury Park for several years? Maybe that's how (or why) they were chosen. On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:35 AM, rook782 wrote: I went to Jewell Marketings website. I think I found out why the idea of a hundred banjo players was marketed for the Apple

[AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kids and alot of others like the summer crowds there.Waiting on line for AVE/le Club, being told u can't sit in that chair cost it costs $300 for a bottle or looking at people willing to pluck down $10-$20 to valet the car or

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Gary Wien
Hinge, You're far from alone in hating it. Success or not, many people think it's extremely ugly and sterile - especially for something right next to the beach. On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Hinge wrote: I guess it's a matter of taste. I hate it with a passion. I gave it a chance,

[AsburyPark] Re: Transparency

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hasn't Jewell Marketing had an office in Asbury Park for several years? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Better PR to PR your PR. Something like that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the

[AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: October 11, 2007 City's Virtues to Be Sold in New Global Ad Campaign By PATRICK McGEEHAN I worked on Madison ave for a short period next NYC Comp offices. Pier Village created a destination. How many times has my daughter

[AsburyPark] Re: Follow The Leader

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Brown
I was not shocked or surprised to hear of the high numbers of New Jersey Residents who have fled the State. I contribute this Great Escape to three very simple things. The highest taxes in the country, the most corrupt officials in the country and the mass development using abusive

[AsburyPark] We reap what we sow...

2007-10-11 Thread jerseykev
We Reap What We Sow!! Body: The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Com. My confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread Gary Wien
Don't forget that for years malls were the coolest thing, but plenty of towns are moving back to the downtown approach now. There are many malls around the country that are closing or becoming different than they once were (see Seaview Square as a local example). The idea of things like

[AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
The major chains are on a mission to remove local identity from the country and they are largely succeeding. Again, where local governments have ordinances that control grwoth, design etc. So, why are these people leaving to? I'd say for lower mortgages. TAXES. At least you have a few

[AsburyPark] reason to move part 2

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
we were heading to PA friday night working our way out of ocean twp on west park ave, going past the highschool as the traffic was heading into the fball game. No one directing traffic. As I toot along, a women decides to pull out and bash into me in her SUV. And kept on going. Call the

[AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Again, where local governments have ordinances that control grwoth, design etc. Take Tinton Falls for example. They approved building a Home Depot in an area where there are already 2 or 3 Home Depots less then a few short miles away. Ridiculous. We don't need it, but they let it happen

[AsburyPark] Celebrate New Jersey, Redux

2007-10-11 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/11/2007 11:30:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May God have mercy on New Jersey. I Celebrate New Jersey: -- -- Caveat lector: 1000's of words and dozens of

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/11/2007 1:06:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where will we all wind up? NJ moves to PA, PA hates NJ people, so they move to Ohio or VA or Upstate NY. Move to Dallas or Houston, then those people move to Austin.. or Mexico and the mexicans

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cost of Events

2007-10-11 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/11/2007 8:23:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Point, I hope we can get these cost figures. Transparency is key to good government in

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Allan Peterson
All have the right to their opinion. I just do find it fair to say it was the worst thing to happen when every retail store is filled and on a Saturday night in the summer, the place is packed. I am not saying I love the architecture but the developer took a chance and created a safe venue.

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Gary Wien
You're right Allan, it'll definitely appeal to certain groups because it's a safe location. I doubt it brings many to other points in Long Branch though. They've kind of created their own little suburb within the town. On Oct 11, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Allan Peterson wrote: All have

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR

2007-10-11 Thread Allan Peterson
Our downtown offers nothing for that group (people with expendable incomes). First we need the downtown to be open more often - Original Message From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:29:26 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: NYC

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
It's my opinion Allan, and I have friends who share the same opinion. That's the bottom line. It might not be the popular opinion, but I'm not going to keep my thoughts to myself when I have one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All have the right

[AsburyPark] Downtown Marketing

2007-10-11 Thread rook782
I always wondered why we don't have any major signs telling people traveling on Main to turn into the downtown district. A lot of tourists going up and down the coast might not even know this area exists and just keep on going straight to somewhere else to spend their money. Really, for a

[AsburyPark] Re: PR - Cole Porter included AP in a song

2007-10-11 Thread justifiedright
Covered by Sinatra, too. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it an earthquake or simply a shock? Is it the good turtle soup or merely the mock? Is it a cocktail, this feeling of joy? Or is what I feel the real mccoy? Is it for all time or simply a

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
as one restaraunt guy in Pier V. was overheard saying to a worker = ...people don't come here because the foodthey are paying for the view He's successful despite himself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Gary Wien
Hinge, I wonder if the majority of arts related people all feel the same way about Pier Village. My friends hate it as well. Of course, I also remember the old Long Branch boardwalk and stuff. I know that plays a role in how I feel about Pier Village, but mainly it's the fact that I

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right Allan, it'll definitely appeal to certain groups because it's a safe location. I doubt it brings many to other points in Long Branch though. They've kind of created their own little suburb within the

[AsburyPark] Bullets strike house, garage in Asbury Park

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Ok folks, read below carefully, and then think back to posts describing the technology of surveillence cameras installed in Newark and East Orange. These cameras have microphones on them that are directional, and can move the camera to focus on the area where the gunshots originated. This

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/11/2007 3:02:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if the majority of arts related people all feel the same way about Pier Village. My friends hate it as well. Of course, I also remember the old Long Branch boardwalk and stuff. I

Re: [AsburyPark] PR - Cole Porter included AP in a song

2007-10-11 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/11/2007 11:02:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it granada I see or only asbury park? Is it a fancy not worth thinking of? It’s still the same old story A fight for love and glory A case of do or die... As time goes by You must

RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread Debbie DeLisa
Actually when I was a kid in Long Branch I was our block's pogo stick champion! The sad thing is now kids never go out to play---Every night we played dodge ball, hit the bat, hide and seek, jingle jump or had handmade go karts with no brakes we would ride to the bottom of the hill. That was

[AsburyPark] Re: PR - Cole Porter included AP in a song

2007-10-11 Thread justifiedright
Well, we are talking about events long before my time. You know...you're time. ;-) /snickers //runs away --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Covered by Sinatra, too. He sung

[AsburyPark] Re: Celebrate New Jersey, Redux

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/11/2007 11:30:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May God have mercy on New Jersey. I Celebrate New Jersey: A wise elder once said upon your death you will be in the Kingdom

[AsburyPark] Re: PR - Cole Porter included AP in a song

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Covered by Sinatra, too. He sung it, Cole wrote it. How'd you think I would even know of it if it was not for Ol Blue Eyes? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Debbie, I didn't know I had a sister! I did virtually all the same things you did. Your post brought back memories. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To

[AsburyPark] Re: Celebrate New Jersey, Redux

2007-10-11 Thread Mario
Feste the Clown:He is but mad yet, madonna; and the fool shall look to the madman. …But indeed words are very rascals since bonds disgraced them. Viola.Thy reason, man?Feste the Clown. Troth, sir, I can yield you none without words; and words are

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbie, I didn't know I had a sister! I did virtually all the same things you did. Your post brought back memories. better all get out of our mid-life crisis real soon otherwise we'll be fighting over who gets an ocean view

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Mac all the way --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Debbie, I didn't know I had a sister! I did virtually all the same things you did. Your post brought back memories. better all get out of

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Debbie, I didn't know I had a sister! I did virtually all the same things you did. Your post brought back memories. better all get out of our mid-life

[AsburyPark] Coaster Article About Regionalizing Asbury Park Fire Services With Others

2007-10-11 Thread rook782
Chief Keddy, Reidy and Bruno favor the move. This is great news. We should all get behind this effort. Consolidating fire services is absolutely necessary for this city to do in order to right itself from the budget deficits. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web,

[AsburyPark] Re: Celebrate New Jersey, Redux

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Brown
aptly put by someone tagged Machinegun Message Mario. I guess the political experiment failed and you have decided to decend upon the good posters here. One thing was proven, in your absence it was peaceful here. LOL a fossor insania KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL

[AsburyPark] Re: Bullets strike house, garage in Asbury Park

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
Bump. This is important stuff. We need to put the pressure on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok folks, read below carefully, and then think back to posts describing the technology of surveillence cameras installed in Newark and East Orange. These

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in people, a lot of people. Hard to say that about what was there before. Allied created a

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Brown
collecting what? They have abatements and our taxes just went up more than 150%. It is an economic failure. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All have the right to their opinion. I just do find it fair to say it was the worst thing to happen

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread Hinge
My dog is named Lakota! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in

[AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review

2007-10-11 Thread rook782
My dog is called Kicking Bird. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dog is named Lakota! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional

[AsburyPark] Re: Recreation

2007-10-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of you are still using a pc vs. a mac. pc since most programs including special ones are windows based. I don't like either. don't use explorer or outlook express anymore. use firefox and thunderbird, but some

[AsburyPark] Re: Follow The Leader

2007-10-11 Thread 2fine4u
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- and the armory is a perfect exmample. Purchased right, lots of politics, lots of PRIVATE money supported by a person with interests in the sport.

[AsburyPark] Re: Stoner: It's Make-Believe Ballroom Time

2007-10-11 Thread 2fine4u
The pleasure is all mine! This think-tank of a group, is a real world, eye-opener! I leave myself, wide open, because I genuinely believe and dream a world, where everyone lives in a town, called Perfect! I just finished reading about what kids really do now, and I see them evolving into wide

[AsburyPark] Re: Celebrate New Jersey, Redux

2007-10-11 Thread Mario
In a message dated 10/11/2007 7:12:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: aptly put by someone tagged Machinegun Message Mario. No,...the words are Shakespeare's. You chose to call me a clown for my appreciation of life in New Jeresy, and for not parroting your complaints about