I know people don't like to bring this up, but a lot of the key
minds involved in the fast-track process are either in prison right
now or waiting to be sentenced. I think they are a little too
distracted to worry about some deal they put together 4 years ago.
Even though it's the same
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I have a question. In the interview with Vin Scelsa and Daniel
Wolff, they talk about the Asbury riots. Wolff refers to riots
as a rebellion, interestingly. He also says that the Asbury riots
were 2 years after the riots
Is this thread starting to remind anyone else of Avenue Q?
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!
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actually BB, if you recall, the city always contended that Carabetta
lost the redevelopment rights when he failed to perform according to
the 1991 agreement. A federal mediator, former New York City deputy
mayor Milton Mollen, was appointed to mediate between Carabetta and
the city. During
did you go to China before buying the computer you're typing on? Go
in person to the Tech Support Desk in India?
I don't know you Leslie, but it's not too great an expectation to
think that someone making thousands of dollars communicating on a
computer would want to know how that money is
I guess we now all know where MOG lives.
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It says in the press, that the guy who displayed the flag said it
was
freedom of speech. So why not all of us start hanging black panther
flags, islamic
flags, flags ex-ing out
BB, (good to see you back here, btw)
Can you explain how it was possible for Long Branch to get a
redevelopment deal done without giving tax abatements to the
residential units? Who was Long Branch's attorney that negotiated
this kneecracker deal that now has the new residents paying their
If I recall correctly, when Hovnanian signed their deal, only the
commercial portions were abated, the residential is paying full
boat. Maybe that was what was meant by giving the best deal to the
first major developer?
Unfortunately, the link to the story is dead, and I can't find it on
I was in the arcade tonight, and noticed my high score from last week
is still #3 on one of the shooting games. If crime is so bad in
Asbury Park, how am I still listed on there?
Maybe I've missed my true calling?
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Here's an interview with Philip May of the Ocean Grove Historical
Society from the oral history project of Monmouth County
http://www.visitmonmouth.com/oralhistory/bios/MayPhilip.htm
although he doesn't give a timeframe, it's in the same context as
the '64 Act.
...The Civil Rights Act passed.
http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050728/NEWS/507280456
Asbury is 1 for 2
In Asbury Park, school board President Robert DiSanto expressed
disappointment that building a new Bangs Avenue School was not on
the approved list. The SCC recommended competing an addition to the
Asbury Park
When did Cassandra Dickerson become the City Manager???
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AP list members:
Here is a partial listing of contact info for City Council members
and the
City Manager. I hope this is helpful.
Terry Reidy
From what I translated from MOGspeak, he had a great time at the Chat
Nibble, loved the place, and was so comfortable, he hit on Mary as
he was settling his tab. After he was rebuffed, his whole opinion of
the place changed.
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Chutzpah redefined! The residents of Marlboro want state aid because
they are too stupid to elect honest politicians!
I'd actually be in favor of this if they agree to use the state aid
to seize the McMansions, restore the farms they developed, and send
the former owners back to Brooklyn.
Whichever you prefer...Once they get across that bridge, they're your
problem. lol.
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I'd actually be in favor of this if they agree to use the state
RevKev:
Rest easy, the girl is safely with her relatives!
The youngster pictured above is a German girl named Sophia Marleen
Michl who was caught up in the Indian Ocean tsunami on 26 December
2004 and separated from her parents. She was initially treated at a
hospital in Phuket, Thailand, and
Dear Friends:
Today IJ and its Castle Coalition announced the launch of the
Hands
Off My Home campaign. We have pledged at least $3 million to
the
fight to end the use of eminent domain for private profit. This
campaign will focus the universal wave of opposition to the Kelo
ruling into
I've always found classmates.com has those long lost friends i
haven't seen in years.
Gee...i hope your friend from 35 years ago wasn't Tillie!
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HI, I AM HOPING TO FIND A LONG LOST FRIEND THAT I
THINK LIVES IN ASBURY
hook...line...sinker...looks like I caught one this time!
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defense at all in trying to counter my remarks.Because they
have
no defense...I'm laughable.
yep! keep 'em coming, three at a time. it helps breaks up my lunch
Mog,
you might want to get a bigger tinfoil hat. The one you currently
have is starting to cut off the circulation to your head.
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CIVILITY.SOPHISTICATION.AND GENERAL GOOD HEARTEDNESSNot
so
others...the group I will
I doubt they are permanent. The utilities have been doing everything
underground for almost 20 years to prevent wear tear on the
fibers. Plus the fact they end at the Berkeley obstruct the view
of Convention Hall say they are some sort of temp power source.
It's funny you thought they were
Deborah,
In ten years I see Asbury Park with three distinct parts.
(lol...Parka Asbura est omnis divisa in partes tres...Sister
Bernadette would be so proud of me remembering that quotation).
The West Side will be made up of working class families. From Main
to Grand will be a bedroom
I must be a bad parent then. With the cost of two tuitions to
Harvard class of 2023 projected to be $745,000, I've taught my 3
year old sons that Rutgers is the Greatest Place on Earth. They are
at every home football game singing the RU Fight Song along with the
crowd. Brainwashing? Maybe,
Hell, I put together a business plan in December 2001 too. According
to that plan, I'm having a $40,000 June. Maybe I should submit that
plan to some state authority, and I'll get some nice plaque to hang
on my wall?
Unfortunately, things have changed since December 2001, and my
business plan
Using BB82's logic, you can make a good case that the entire city of
Asbury Park should be paved over to provide parking to Ocean Grove.
Asbury Park was always Ocean Groves's ugly sister. I'm in my 40's
and it was a barely functioning, half-boarded hang-out for creeps
even when I was a
Actually, the Albion, the Bradley, et al came down on 10/24/01. That
is three summers wasted. During those 3 3/4 years the boarded up,
scary, run down motels provided parking for the Paradise, the Pony,
the Wonder Bar, the Clearwater festival, the Pride Festival, the
Jazz festival, and all the
geezuswe joined this group to talk about Asbury. Not to discuss
the bug that Larry shoved up your ass.
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For Immediate Release:
May 20, 2005
Media Contact: Pam Gallagher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 732.946.2711
DOWNTOWN FREEHOLD REVS UP
FOR KRUISE NITE KICKOFF
FREEHOLD BOROUGH, N.J. The first of downtown Freehold's seasonal
Kruise Nites will take place from 6 to 10 p.m.
The Italian stereotype never bothered me until I married a Jewish
girl. Within days of returning from our honeymoon, she pointed out
how people who were too proper to bring up her religion before now
assumed she suddenly became a mustachioed mafia moll who could cook.
Replace Italian with
Q1: Does putting up the same lights that have been there for 30
years satisfy the definition of new?
Q2: Do Cobra Head lighting fixtures satisfy the definition
of decorative?
Rather than bargaining concessions over the lighting, wouldn't it be
wiser to keep the Master Developer to the
I'd vote again, but 1 only get one vote between the 3 usernames that
I use to argue back forth with myself!
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We are up to a huge (LOL) turn out of 18 votes on the boardwalk
light
poll. I was hopeing for at least 26
I was flipping through the TV tonight when I caught something familiar
on the Country Music station. It was a music video shot in Asbury Park
by a guy named Rascal Flatts. I think the song was called Feels Like
Today.
Wow...even though you see the neglect day-by-day, this video makes it
look
Wow...I merely suggest to Skip, in the nicest way possible:
STFU!
and suddenly I become clueless?
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The clueless out number the informed and stage a hostile take over.
Segregated areas are created with suggestions that
Sure--post away! If I had any power in this city, the oceanfront would
look more like Disney World than Lakewood.
I must warn you though, I do rule the BandMoan group by fiat, and by
the powers vested in the TOS, I have the right to edit any posts to
look like the musings of a Lithium-head.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-hojo16.html
Restaurant icon HoJo's close to disappearing
With this month's closing of a HoJo's in Springfield, Vt., there
are now only eight left in Maine, Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey,
Maryland and New York, Mann said. The Howard Johnson's
Do you really think the council said, WTF, just use the cheapest wood
possible!???
Here's Asburypark.net's reporting of this issue in February '01.
(before Fishman, when the ONLY thing happening was the holes in the
boardwalk):
http://asburypark.net/news/2001/02/index.html
One funny quote:
The town I grew up in, Vineland, is one of the districts slated to
lose Abbott funding. Here's an article in the local paper a quote:
http://thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20050513/NEWS01/505130306/1002
The criteria for Abbott designation that may be changed, according
to the
1. The way I understand it (and someone correct me if I'm wrong)is
that Abbott funding was to make the bottom 5% school districts to
upgrade their curriculum infrastructure to be equivalent to the
top 5% of school districts. Not the average, but equal to the
Holmdels, Middletowns, and
I'm with BB on this. Public parks are for public use, whether that
use is growing dandelions, racing monster trucks, or holding anti-
globalization rallies. As long as the proper permits/insurance are
in place the city is getting a piece of the action from any money
changing hands, I'd rather
A: Religion, Politics, Sex
Q: What are three things you should never discuss in polite company?
Seems you guys covered all three in a single post!
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More telling than the mandate (and I'll admit it definitely was) is
how it was achieved.
There were 2,419 people who voted in 2001, but only 1,915 in 2005.
Let's assume no new voters no deaths in the past four years. 504
voters decided it wasn't worth it to show up to the polls this time.
Let's see, according to the most recent statistics 67.1% of
HOUSEHOLDS in AP had income under $35,000 80.5% of the total
population rented their living unit.
Using the 28/36 ratio, a person who makes $35,000 with no debt can
qualify for a mortgage up to $81,000. Realtor.com gives me 5 vacant
Can you use bad stats to justify Abbott district membership or
Extraordinary Aid from the state for the 4th year in a row?
What are the real stats and what would the city's demographics look
like using these real stats compared to the other 30 Abbott districts?
--- In
The people who cast the votes do not decide an election, the people
who count the votes do. -Josef Stalin
Dan,
you should email this to Kate Mellina. She has made Honest Elections a
cornerstone of her campaign. This story should make her angry enough
to tell the powers that be to call off the
Congratulations (unofficially of course) to:
Sanders 952
Johnson 841
Loffredo 831
Bruno 784
Keady 578
Excellent job to Joe for the results on gayasburypark.com! Were there
any off the wall Write-In votes you would care to share?
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kyangazi:
I was thinking more like Tillie, FishMan or some other cartoon
character, but thanks for sharing!
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Yes JJ:
I wrote my name, kadenson on the democratic off the wall process
we all should avail ourselves
Later tonight, I'll dig up property sales for Keansburg, Howell,
Bradley Beach, Freehold Boro etc from 2001-2005. These places were not
booming for decades, but are now. If you're voting based on your net
worth, you may want to consider writing in Alan Greenspan his soft
monetary policy of the
Mario,
I'm curious as to what search engine was used to find this what
keywords were used? for some reason it is not showing up on google,
yahoo, altavista, askjeeves, or dogpile. It seems I can't find that
press release in any reputable search, but of course it was posted
on a newsgroup so it
I give up, what am I looking for on this spyware-riddled site?
I find the same info for Stuart as I do for Catherine Mellina, John
Loffredo, Jon Corzine, and my high school Latin teacher, who taught me
that Factum, the neutral past participle meaning to have created, is
a different word than
GREAT POINT!!! According to 4.1 of the Waterfront plan, if the Pony
ceases to be a bar for six months out of the year, it is subject to
comnendation. Considering the current owners are running it into the
grount, and only 20 people were there tonight, and the council is not
putting any fight up
Joe, it may seem as though this is not advertising, but unfortunately
the government looks at it the other way. Since Moody's rates
municipalities strictly as far as investment risk, it can be inferred
that any discussion of a rating from Moodys by a municipal
spokesperson is considered offering
Wasn't $61,965 the amount Terry Weldon extorted from Ocean Township???
Isn't it ironic that this team raised the same amount of money?
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Skip Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:01 AM
To:
I don't know the law, but I've seen these signs with just Bruno
Sanders blacked out as well. Even though I don't support their
slate, I support their right to advertise their slate to voters.
In my opinion, the signs are the property of AP/Action (how do you
make that straight line???) By
Can Both Sides of the Sprawl Debate Find Common Ground on Property
Rights?
One of the great myths spread by opponents of suburban development is
that the land-use patterns we have today are the result of free-market
forces, greedy developers, and unregulated property rights. Contrary
to
I had a chance to take a look at the fundamentals of the bonds the
city is looking to refinance. The analysis in the APP is that they
are little more than a cash out re-fi to help balance the budget.
But the truth is actually a little bit stranger.
The APP says the current bonds were $12.8 mm
Thanks excellent job Maureen!
Did anyone have the opportunity to videotape it? Sounds like it was
more interesting than the last one.
It appears Kate is using scorched-earth campaign tactics to try to
muscle her way back onto the council. It may work on a national
scale, but its a bad
Fascinating article. I've found one major disparity between Coney
Island Asbury Park. Coney Island has Coney Island Development
Corporation, which seems to be similar to New Brunswick's DevCo.
According to their website:
http://www.thecidc.org/aboutus.html
The Coney Island Development
We haven't heard from this guy in a while. I'm curious which
candidates he is supporting on his Gentrify or Die ticket, and which
candidates would be the best to grow his hypothetical investment on
the beachfront.
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Angel,
Using this logic, the City should develop Bradley Park Library
Square Park, and fill in the lakes develop on them. These parks
lakes all cost taxpayer money to operate, and the city sees no
financial benefit from them.
There are tangible benefits beyond bottom line cost to the
Kate Mellina, on Historic Preservation in Asbury Park:
When it comes to preservation, um, the developers didn't destroy
Asbury Park's historic treasures, Asbury Park destroyed its own
historic treasures the way it destroys just about everything else in
its infrastructure from recreation to
A great city is that which has the greatest man or woman,
If it be a few ragged huts, it is still the greatest city in the
whole world.
Walt Whitman, Song of the Broad-Axe (1856)
I can't believe this remark is going unreported. If it had been
Bruno, Loffredo, or any of the white candidates,
Here's the actual transcript, taken at the 46:15 mark of Maureen's
show:
Historic Preservation. The biggest thing is Asbury Park, we
definitely deserve historic preservation. As the diverse people we
have here in Asbury Park, um, growing up here, history was for real.
Again, we're creating
What a great balanced ticket. I find it interesting that these
candidates share very little in common except for their love of
Asbury desire to make the city the best it can be.
Good luck, Ben, Jim, Stuart.
jerseyjohn99 (registered independent, but unapologetic conservative
Question for those involved with AP Action:
Since APAC endorsed 4 of the 5 incumbents, it can be assumed that the
group is satisfied with the status quo. If so, was the main purpose of
forming the group to ensure that the city government remains in the
hands of the veto-proof majority on the
Larry Fishman to Jerseyjohn99: Stay out of Asbury's beachfront.
Thanks Larry, you just saved me several hundred thousand dollars.
Maybe the town of Bradley Beach will be more welcoming to me my
young children.
You may as well tell your development partners to take my name off
their lists
Here's the story to save a few bucks (registration required):
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/17/nyregion/17njCOVER.html?pagewanted=1
Gerry,
you may want to tell your reporter friend to check her facts before
running with a story. Cherokee WAS going to buy C8 for $3 million (not
the $30 mm
true, in a way. Bill Gates failed out of college, but I don't think
anyone of these guys would be confused with Bill Gates.
How can any person with clear conscience vote for someone to guide a
$1.2 billion waterfront plan who doesn't have a basic understanding
of Macroeconomics? To negotiate
This is part of the story I don't get. These politicians were
accused of taking bribes totalling roughly $25,000, yet this Steffer
character accepted at least a $96,350 contract in Keyport, plus
however much more he received in the other towns. I'm no federal
agent, but wouldn't it make
Or the fourth possibility is there ARE illegalities, but the Feds
believe the myth no one wants to redevelop Asbury Park and decided
to turn the other cheek to the illegalities.
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I don't think anyone will disgaree with you
I wouldn't consider Valley National a small bank. They have $10.78
billion in deposits are the second largest NJ based bank (behind
Commerce), serving mostly North Jersey Long Island. This $27
million loan is less than 1/2 of 1% of their $6.87 billion loan
portfolio. They also have a loan
couple of questions:
what is the size/price talk of the 33% of these units that will be
market rate? Should it just be assumed that these will get tax
abatements as well? And is it purely coincidental that the lead
developer on this project is based out of Lakewood, the same city as
the
Whew...after reading dfs' original posting I had the sudden urge to
go home beat my wife. Thank goodness Jim intervened cooler heads
prevailed before I got my ass whupped by a 3rd degree black belt.
and I'm no educator, but I believe the correct phrase in the subject
should be An
Actually, there will be at least three Asbury Parks. Let's face it,
the 7000 or so people buying on the Oceanfront will have little to
nothing in common with the groups that currently reside here will
be organizing to get special attention benefits from the City to
the detriment of the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imagine if all of the money that went into the Iraq War was used
to fund scientists to figure out how to many automobiles run on an
alternative energy source... If we never needed oil, what would the
Arab nations do?
Three
Thanks for the offer Frank. Since the cutoff for enlistment is 34,
and no one with more than 1 dependent is permitted to enlist, I'm
afraid there ARE barriers to us who feel we have the most to
protect. Maybe you can petition Congress to lift these standards, to
make the military more
Tony,
given the choice between him exercising his rights your safety
your pursuit of happiness being ensured, which would you choose?
The FBI has documentation that the main source of funding for VVAW
was the KGB. I highly doubt the Soviets were interested in our civil
rights democracy
Chuck,
The problem is the large national retailers aren't concerned about
interesting venues. They are interested in which location will
provide the better profit.
Corporate Development teams are still using 2000 Census figures for
demographic information. These shows approx 30% of Asbury
This is a little nugget I remember from my childhood. A liar needs
a good memory, to remember who he lied to, and to continue the lie.
Case in point.
In a press release dated 12/23/2004 announcing the acquisition of
the Triangle property, Asbury Partners announces: In keeping
with its
Bingo Mark.
It's ironic the author chose Loffredo to sign his name to this
letter, the man who was photographed with a sledgehammer next to a
model of C8.
Here's a great campaign poster for anyone running for council:
http://asburypark.net/news/2003/04/c-8.jpg
Everyone who was at that
Not to mention the few thousand dollars found in the suit pockets of
a former City Manager.
Let's see. $8.5 million for the redevelopment rights. $5 million for
the Boardwalk. A few million for the Stone Pony. a couple hundred
dollars for the palm trees at the Convention Hall bar. a couple
Is it just me, or does the new design for the C8 building look like
the Showboat Casino in Atlantic City?
Showboat: http://www.pictureac.com/photos/showboat.jpg
C8: http://www.app.com/images/news/0501/06asbury1.jpg
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Here's a thought: what if the third appraisal comes in high, let's
say $2.5 mm. From what I've heard, the 3rd appraisal's decision is
FINAL. Is Asbury Partners REQUIRED to pay it, or can they back out?
If required to pay, they could then threaten bankruptcy, hold up the
entire redevelopment
I'm by no means a pro at property valuation, but Asbury Partners
provided a comparable valuation that is very relevant:
Asbury Partners was willing to sell The Palace for $2.5 million.
APartners valued the building at $0, so to them, the 36,000 square
feet of land was worth $69 per square
lol...how many times have we heard THAT at City Council meetings???
I suppose if this parcel is fought over, the three subdevelopers
will stop digging their holes take down the plastic from the
fences? please...
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But you might as
good job Joe!
imagine if ALL residents put a little bit towards the school system,
based on the value of their house. Imagine what the schools would be
able to fund with a School Tax!
however, because of tax abatements, the charitably inclined are
going to have to start footing the bill for
the link to the Duelfer report is broken. Here is the correct one
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
Volume 1 was the one I was referring to.
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From the Duelfer Report (the same report which said Saddam did
HJ Heinz put a press release out in March which addressed the
Kerry's involvement in the company. In a nutshell, they have NO
involvement.
Regarding international factories, Heinz, like all international
food companies (Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds come to mind), have
factories in the
Today, the U.S. Supreme Court announced that it will hear
the case of Kelo v. City of New London and decide whether the
Constitution allows the government to use eminent domain to take one
person's home or small business so a bigger business can make more
money off that land and pay more taxes
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