That's a tall order! It began back in the 60's, mid to late 60's when
I noticed African-Americans, beginning to define themselves
nationally. Individuals and Black groups began studying different
African languages, Swahili, for one as an example. The men and some
women began wearing their hair
Very interesting Sharon and thank you.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a tall order! It began back in the 60's, mid to late 60's when
I noticed African-Americans, beginning to define themselves
nationally. Individuals and Black groups began
?
From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:26:48 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ...
wrote:
Glenn 46, Darren 45, Angele 43, Michelle
Hi Denise!
Thanks so much for these thoughts below. VERY insightful.
Don't congratulate me on the win - unless my kid is on the Howell
team, my heart is always with AP ;-).
My friend and I in the booth were in that rare position of cheering
for both teams touchdowns and tackles.
We've
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good Morning Tommy I know you were addressing Sharon, but I thought I
jump in and give my two cents.
Apparently, my real name would of been Elliot Pushka or so says my
mother.
But when my grandfather made it to America out
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Hi Denise!
Thanks so much for these thoughts below. VERY insightful.
Don't congratulate me on the win - unless my kid is on the Howell
team, my heart is always with AP ;-).
My friend and I in the booth were in that rare position of cheering
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone
could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her
class but because her name on the application for employment was
Shamika she was never even
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote:
But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone
could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her
class but because her name on the application for employment was
Shamika she was never even
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought that. It's a real cultural problem. I blame the schools
for teaching the wrong things. I did a column on it not to long
ago. It's here:
http://tinyurl.com/6yhg8q
Another revisionist. Perhaps you
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote:
Good Morning Tommy I know you were addressing Sharon, but I thought I
jump in and give my two cents.
Apparently, my real name would of been Elliot Pushka
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And they settled on Dorfman?
my thoughts exactly.
mountain/country/village people.
aka: Poor
Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
And they settled on Dorfman?
my thoughts exactly.
mountain/country/village people.
aka: Poor
you know no offense intended. Like an old friend of
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Morning Joe this morning, Bob Herbert made a wonderful conclusion
of improvement in race relations - forty years ago dogs and fire hoses
were used against black Americans and in a week's time, we may elect
the first today
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many of your facts are correct. But
those are what I was taught in catholic grammar and high school and I
am older than you.
And the school you went to wasn't free.
They teach something different over at the government
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
Many of your facts are correct. But
those are what I was taught in catholic grammar and high school and I
am older than you.
And the school you went
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
grammar school was free. but nothing is free, not even public school.
I have to. Sorry.
Public school in AP is essentially free to property owners in AP - as
compared to all but 31 other districts in the state of NJ.
Glenn 46, Darren 45, Angele 43, Michelle 41, Renee 37! See, not a
Shamika or Hussein in the bunch! They're old and I'm older!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
wrote:
Were you referring
That song always make me cry, like don't it make my brown eyes blue?
Stay sweet!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A couple of Ave Marias and we'll call it even.
It's all good Sharon. ;)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Glenn 46, Darren 45, Angele 43, Michelle 41, Renee 37! See, not a
Shamika or Hussein in the bunch!
Wow Sharon I'm glad you brought that up about Shamika. Something
happened recently and I hope you'll bring your
Tommy, you are a good man. Despite the obvious republican twitch.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
wrote:
Glenn 46, Darren 45, Angele 43, Michelle 41, Renee 37! See, not a
Shamika or
What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the
redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own
government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance
for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off
about how its all been handled.
You are really hitting a nail there... whats wrong with AP that
blinds people to the obvious? Something in the water they serve?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was
complaining about (along with
You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic childhood
memories
I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me
that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so.
AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts
there
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic childhood
memories
I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me
that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so.
I was refering to the PRESS as an establishment not a particular
publication.
FYI - the New York Times and NBC TV and Radio ...etc, all hyped the
coming back of AP...maybe you missed all that.
Q - when did you hear about AP and what is your time stamp of
reference ?
That could explain alot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was refering to the PRESS as an establishment not a particular
publication.
FYI - the New York Times and NBC TV and Radio ...etc, all hyped the
coming back of AP...maybe you missed all that.
Look, all the evidence
I had to add more, please excuse. Most importantly what you don't
experience here and I am guessing you never will is the COMMUNITY.
Perfect? no way, but what community is? You don't talk to the people
walking around, you don't have the pleasure of knowing some of the
staff at the restaurants and
ALERT !
AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA,
part of the World.
I dont need to live there to see whats going on.
Very myopic opinion you have.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What explains our observations is
OK - lets explore that...
You are living there, part of the community and view things from that
perspective, day to day, seeing small incrimental changes in the
positive direction, busy managing you life, work etc. Partaking in
the events.
Your postings indicated you are content to have fun
The redevelopment has been handled wonderfully by the administration
in Asbury Park.
The strides that have been taken were written off as impossible for
many years by the business community and the political community.
By any objective account the redevelopment is a great success.
--- In
Now that is just not born out by the reality since 2000.
Just look up Abury Park redevelopment in your favorite search
engine.
What are you a city PR guy?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The redevelopment has been handled wonderfully by the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against
what
the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was
promised
that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close.
It was promised
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Your postings indicated you are content to have fun...
I'll join her.
the internet gives me access to volumes of
information.
That right there could be your problem. After all - you're posting
to the Internet
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Now that is just not born out by the reality since 2000.
Just look up Abury Park redevelopment in your favorite search
engine.
Don't need the 'net, I was here before it, during it and after it.
I studied it and
Type Asbury Park Redevelopment into search engine.
Go to News
Start at year 2000
Read
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against
I lived it - no need to web it.
So what was your source that the redevelopment was promised to be
finished by now?
Facts matter. You stated a fact. Support it. I'll even accept one
of your beloved internet sources.
Show me the source that caused you to say that.
Here's how it goes - you
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I lived it - no need to web it.
So what was your source that the redevelopment was promised to be
finished by now?
Facts matter. You stated a fact. Support it. I'll even accept one
of your beloved internet
A couple of Ave Marias and we'll call it even.
It's all good Sharon. ;)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, Mea Culpa and lashes across my shoulders! (The Monk in the
movie, DaVinci Code, did this as Penance)! I'll assume cloistered
Nuns did
:
From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:43 PM
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:
People need an education to get work. If you don't finish high
Again, another rational observation from a local.
(I keep pointing that out fot gabbi who seems to think I should have
no say becaose of not being there)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. I've never really thought about it that way as I'm
ps - Ill come down for HW or TH and check if everything is finished -
Perfect...come down in the off season so that your perception of
reality can be confirmed and you can be disappointed once again. Did
you know that in Asian medicine chronic dissatisfaction is connected
to stomach issues?
when was the last time you were here?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ALERT !
AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA,
part of the World.
I dont need to live there to see whats going on.
Very myopic opinion you
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
Maybe Werner and I should write a book together.
Definitely.
Thank you for the detailed perspective, ALSO left off the
postcards.
Definitely NOT - justifiedright (JR) is no friend of mine and
contrary
to his statement, - Please let me offer my own historical
understanding, which I believe I share with Werner,... we do not
share a common understanding of Asbury Park. The only writing we
will
do is adversarial, as he
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sandpiper,
Let me try to set the record straight on the misstated history below.
First, the only area I meant that W agreed with me on was that the
West Side was integrated. He and I attended an event at the Pony a
few
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Definitely NOT - The only writing we will
do is adversarial,
So it'll be a two volume series! ;)
, Bradley installed signs on the beachfront (his
property) asking that employees of the hotels refrain from taking up
all
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
MM doesn't own the actual sand
beach
up to the waterline, does it?
Well, if you read the detail of the agreement (orig), while the city
does own the BW and Sand, the city cannot lease or lease or sell (more
tehcnical
Again, Mea Culpa and lashes across my shoulders! (The Monk in the
movie, DaVinci Code, did this as Penance)! I'll assume cloistered
Nuns did this too! You post so infrequent, I can't remember, (mind
like a sieve), senior moment or asinine old lady! Should I go into
my corner, kneel and say
JR:
Your version is a version I heard also. I experienced many of your
experiences, as I lived in a mostly Italian neighborhood. Everybody
was Catholic, though, with very few Protestants. The only Jews I
encountered were the Reformed Jews. Their busiest day was Saturday in
New Orleans.
In a message dated 10/24/2008 4:11:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
revisionist history.
What makes me cringe is coming to conclusions without the relevant
information and perpetuating fallacies.
==
As Yogi would say,
I think you should write it yourself. It's a beautiful story and I
felt your emotion. You just took us on a sentimental journey. I
couldn't imagine the conditions being the same as my experience in the
South. Funny, it was the Italians, that we shared food with, people
my mother took care of
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Were you referring to the Butlers from St. Peter Claver? James
Butler
is a lawyer, here in AP.
I know Jimmy and he is really the best municipal prosecutor around.
Don't know if he is related to the Butler family I grew
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So who are you quoting and what do I have to do with it?
I was just talking about this thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/39188
Yahoo! Groups Links
* To
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@
wrote:
False dichotomoy. Myths can have great meaning.
True, but the Tillie one doesn't.
It all depends on your perspective I guess.
You said
Fair enough Sandpiper and thanks for the reply.
Please let me offer my own historical understanding, which I believe
I share with Werner, but it is contrary to folks like Wolff and
others who don't really know the history of the West Side of Asbury
Park.
Let me start with my thesis: Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair enough Sandpiper and thanks for the reply.
Please let me offer my own historical understanding, which I
believe
I share with Werner, but it is contrary to folks like Wolff and
others who don't really know
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe Werner and I should write a book together.
Definitely.
Thank you for the detailed perspective, ALSO left off the postcards.
If the past is prologue, it's worth looking at any area's history to figure out
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's why
the Save Tillie people's mouths would drop when they would
encounter
locals who said we should get rid of the ugly old cartoon. They
mythologized it, we knew it wasn't meaningful.
False dichotomoy.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am a little obsessed with thinking of asbury as a place created
with
spiritual intentions. bradley moving beyond what he knew to create a
place of spirit which simply opened up another set of human issues
to
deal
So who are you quoting and what do I have to do with it? I moved to
NJ, October, 1970, 3 months after the riot. I wasn't here for Asbury
Park's Glory Days. In 1960, I was only 15 and in high school. My
glory days were at Xavier, in New Orleans. When I arrived, the
downtown was still vibrant
you are a treasure of info, many thanks.
i do think tommy wears some blinders when it comes to racism, but i
have to say that reading the article made me think of my time in the
service and hotel industry. 20 years. dishwasher, waitress,
housekeeper, front desk, bartender etc in a resort area
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
False dichotomoy. Myths can have great meaning.
True, but the Tillie one doesn't.
What do you think life West of Main Street was like in 1955 or 1960?
Significantly more complex than life on the boardwalk.
i am reading it again. aside from the KKK, the regular old racism is
enough and easy to believe given the time and space this country was
in..no?
what is hanging in my mind is this idea of the promise that
sandpiper pointed out to me, and my own lack of understanding about
how people have
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am reading it again. aside from the KKK, the regular old racism is
enough and easy to believe given the time and space this country was
in..no?
No.
Yahoo! Groups Links
* To
failing to face up to the dark side of human behavior doesn't make it
go away Tommy.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
gabrielleobre@ wrote:
i am reading it again. aside from the KKK, the regular
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
failing to face up to the dark side of human behavior doesn't make
it
go away Tommy.
You seem to know about as little of the history of Asbury Park's West
Side as Dan Wolff does.
what is hanging in my mind is this idea of the promise that
sandpiper pointed out to me, and my own lack of understanding about
how people have mythologized this place, expect so many things from
it
etc.
Well that's exactly it. Among outsiders, those who remember
Asbury's glory days and
In a message dated 10/20/2008 9:18:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i am reading it again. aside from the KKK,
Maybe the problem with Wolff's book is that it doesn't distinguish between
Asbury Park and Asbury Park area. Most of what I've read indicates that the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Asbury's west side failures nearly mirror the failures of the east side.
Both sides of the tracks had corruption issues.
Can you count how many tens of millons have been invested in the west
side? How you ask - all the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Discovered this book as another resource for detailed info and pix
about
shore towns: _http://tinyurl.com/5z2b98_ (http://tinyurl.com/5z2b98)
_Boardwalk Memories: Tales of the Jersey Shore - Google Books
Result_
He
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well that's exactly it. Among outsiders, those who remember
Asbury's glory days and wish for them to some day come back are
doing just that - mythologizing.
Exactly right for sure! I've written of that many times.
People need an education to get work. If you don't finish high school and have
a pile of kids (the express lane to poverty) how can it possibly be blamed on
anyone but yourself?
--- On Mon, 10/20/08, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG
thanks, you make a lot of sense. but for me it all boils down to
people living in the past and projecting their current
unhappiness/need to be fulfilled on a place incapable of fulfilling.
not because Asbury isn't a great place. because it isn't a therapist.
when you want life to be like it was
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People need an education to get work. If you don't finish high
school and have a pile of kids (the express lane to poverty) how can
it possibly be blamed on anyone but yourself?
can't argue with you...when i commented on
In a message dated 10/17/2008 1:30:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LOL, 30 years of experience. i've just about given up hope
that AP will ever be anything other than AP. LOL
At least you are not here 24/7, you would eventually go nuts too.
Have fun !
Werner
You write some of my feelings in a more adult manner. thanks, i too am
enjoying AP in all stages of its metamorphosis.
i find this need to see asbury as some sort of iconic town living up
to its past interesting. why can't it simply be a town of great music,
delicious food, a fun place to drink,
This post is extremely well done. I second these thoughts
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You write some of my feelings in a more adult manner. thanks, i
too am
enjoying AP in all stages of its metamorphosis.
i find this need to see asbury as
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i find this need to see asbury as some sort of iconic town living up
to its past interesting.
I think Dan Wolf nails it pretty well here. Read the first four pages:
I think Dan Wolf nails it pretty well here. Read the first four pages:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader?ie=UTF8p=S00Fasin=1582345090
It's not the past, it's the promise.
i don't have time to give your thoughts time right now. thanks so much
for them, always a pleasure to read your posts.
Dan Wolff got alot of stuff wrong in his book. Particularly about
the KKK. Didn't even belong in a book about Asbury.
I recall in one chapter he foreshadows that there is alot comming up
about it, then he only talks about activiity in other towns.
Complete BS to make that connection.
---
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was
complaining about (along with some aesthetic issues) the lack of
adherence to agreements. He mentioned the bandshell. Apparently
(according to Maureen's tape
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some
cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have
noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put a
lot of time and money
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My impression is that the situation with MM is very fluid. They are
trying to appeal to tenants that have a proven track record and who
are willing to operate year round on the boardwalk, not easy. That
being said, it
Werner,
I agree with most of what you said and i think you make some very
good points. I can understand how it would be terribly frustrating
to care passionately about something and see it going awry. I can
also understand why its annoying to put time and energy into
something only to be
In a message dated 10/16/2008 6:36:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was
complaining about (along with some aesthetic issues) the lack of
PROTECTED] wrote:
From: charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:48 PM
Some people on the boardwalk have unreal expectations. I was in the
candy store near the casino and the people that own
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thats a tall order. The developer is only interested in their bottom
line not generosity to the community. On the other hand the
government
does not learn from history and past mistakes in protecting the
public.
If you don't think you will succeed you shouldn't even think of opening
any business. There is a difference between a positive outlook and an
unrealistic outlook. During the winter months the only thing I have
seen on the boardwalk is a cold ocean wind.
The point was, maybe they do think
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
Thats a tall order. The developer is only interested in their bottom
line not generosity to the community. On the other hand the
government
does
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:20 PM
My impression is that the situation with MM is very fluid. They are
trying to appeal to tenants that have a proven track record and who
are willing
Some people on the boardwalk have unreal expectations. I was in the
candy store near the casino and the people that own that think that
they will have enough traffic in the middle of the winter to be open 7
days a week.
Well, if you were the owner of that business, wouldn't you have a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thats the problem with
AP, too many small minded people not willing to take advice or learn
from others experiences.
Hold me back...someone please hold me back
Yahoo! Groups
I tend to agree with much of what New Beetoap says.
First off, it's 100% obvious that the bandshell is never going to see the light
of day again,
and MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to
explain
what happened.
Next, the shipping containers. They looked bad
The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them
to explain
what
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them
to explain
what happened.
That seems to be the common thread in many different frustrations and
controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call
Hey Jack,
Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its
historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's
money.
Dan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell.
So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do sneaky things like
eliminate a
historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture.
I didn't realize life was that simple and without accountability.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Jack,
No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some
cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have
noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put a
lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously
optimistic while those who
Well someone 'gets it' ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gab, Your missing a very significant aspect of Asbury Park.
Many people have never been here yet follow the news and care about
the City.
Its reasonable to have expectations based upon the news
Good point. I've never really thought about it that way as I'm merely a renter.
When I complain about the boardwalk, I do it just on an esthetic level combined
with my
desire to see our AP boardwalk really stand out, which I don't think it
currently does. It's
really not wonderful enough to be
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