jhm731;175585 Wrote:
As I predicted in your part 1, I didn't think youd hear any
difference with this cheap linear PSU.
Well, of course! Any solution to an audiophile problem that doesn't
cost at least a grand can't possibly be worthwhile :)
(runs for cover)
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adamslim;175432 Wrote:
Hey, this is fun :) I suspect that CD correction is not inaudible
(otherwise, why not use it for compression, none of this messing with
FLAC and MP42). However, I have no evidence for this, thoughts
welcome.
Since the read buffer of the CD or iTunes or EAC ends up
I'm using Fostex PM04, they are compact and are OK, not HiFi but fine as
personal monitors. I use a pair in the kitchen and in the study both
connected to SB2's.
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I've seen a variety of comments in this thread which could do with a
little bit of clarification:
If you use secure mode it re-reads everything, which is why it's so slow
when set up properly.
Most drives these days are capable of reporting C2 errors, and in those
cases EAC doesn't re-read -
cliveb;175624 Wrote:
Not sure exactly what you mean by damaged, but if you are talking
about scratches and the like, these aren't the only ones that need
error concealment. In my experience, the majority are not as a result
of scratches, but that the CD was originally pressed with
Stereophile this and Stereophile that..
They seem to be some kind of gods over there! ;-)
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thomsens wrote:
Either you aren't actually reading my posts, or you simply can't
understand where I'm coming from.
Since I read all your posts and would have responded the same way Pat
did, I suspect you're not very good at expressing what you mean.
I'd have to spend more time
correcting
CardinalFang;175634 Wrote:
I must admit I'm not sure - I don't use EAC, too slow and too much
fussing about to set up. I thought it had concealment via the drive
electronics, but you could be right and it does nothing. In that case,
EAC would be creating audibly broken rips on bad discs
bergek;175448 Wrote:
... I currently have AE Aego P5 and have been utterly disappointed due
to very disturbing background noise. I should RMA them.
I notice that AE have discontinued that model for some reason. Maybe
they under-performed.
Gavin
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For those out there that don't have the big bucks to spend on a real
high end sound system to go with your Squeeze Box, here's the system
that I assembled around my SB3.
A Rotel RSX-1057. It delivers good power, with great flexiblity at
about $1,100. Connected SB3 with digital output.
Center
In the UK I would say that there is a huge amount of snobbery involved,
plus a decent helping of ignorance based on iTunes and iPods being the
public perception of computer audio. Most audio shops regard computer
audio as MP3 quality and I doubt many have sat down and listened to a
well
CardinalFang;175654 Wrote:
In the UK I would say that there is a huge amount of snobbery involved,
plus a decent helping of ignorance based on iTunes and iPods being the
public perception of computer audio. Most audio shops regard computer
audio as MP3 quality and I doubt many have sat down
There are a ton of BM audio stores making a lot of money installing
multi-room home theater systems using products like the ReQuest music
servers and Crestron system controllers. Computer file formats and
such should not be foreign to most of these guys (unless they
subcontract that part out)...
As far as I can see, much of audiophilia and the high end stopped
being about sound and became primarily concerned with status and
snobbery at some point in the last 10 years. The descent of the audio
press into techno porn shilling outrageously over-priced gewgaws and
mystical claptrap to is a
opaqueice;175526 Wrote:
Buy cheap wires, and read this (unless you're looking for a new
religion, in which case avoid it):
http://sonido.uchile.cl/articulos/tenbiggestliesaudio.pdf
Thanks, good article that basically confirms to me that when it comes
to audio common sense and engineering
Robin Bowes;175646 Wrote:
thomsens wrote:
Either you aren't actually reading my posts, or you simply can't
understand where I'm coming from.
Since I read all your posts and would have responded the same way Pat
did, I suspect you're not very good at expressing what you mean.
I'd
thomsens;175516 Wrote:
I've been looking for a new high-end 2 channel system into which I will
simply plug my SB, then later a Transporter. I have found that the
traditional BM audiophile crowd has been somewhat ignorant to encoded
music based on experience in several stores. Because I'm
cliveb;175643 Wrote:
As far as I can make out, based on some experiments, if the drive is
capable of reporting C2 errors (which most are), then EAC tells the
drive NOT to conceal uncorrectable errors, but report them instead.
It's at this point that EAC does its re-reading to see if it can
jhm731;175588 Wrote:
You and opaqueice need to go down to your local Costco and pick up a
$50. DVDP.
IMO, the main barrier audiophiles have to the adoption of computer
based audio isn't the fear of an unfamiliar technology, it's poor sound
quality.
I have a year-old Oppo CD/DVD
P Floding;175675 Wrote:
There is no sense in degrading sound willingly unless you have to. SB3
and Transporter works just fine with lossless audio. (Any digital audio
is encoded, weather it is compressed or not, BTW.)
Did that answer your original question?
Am aware of all points -
Pat was merely pointing out that you really shouldn't consider mp3 if
you want a high-end system.
I understand the portability thing, which was why I wrote flac2mp3 [1]
so I can have a flac libary and maintain a parallel mp3 library with
minimal effort.
If you're planning to re-rip to flac then
opaqueice;17 Wrote:
It's pretty easy to have the best of both worlds in terms of fidelity
and portability. If you rip your CDs to FLAC (or another lossless
format), you can very easily convert them to MP3 all in one batch.
Then you'll have two sets of files, but the MP3s are much
Robin Bowes;175693 Wrote:
Pat was merely pointing out that you really shouldn't consider mp3 if
you want a high-end system.
I understand the portability thing, which was why I wrote flac2mp3 [1]
so I can have a flac libary and maintain a parallel mp3 library with
minimal effort.
If
Not sure if this is the proper venue but here it goes. I was hoping to
find out how much buffering capacity there is on a SB when streaming
files from a SS. I will assume there is some? Question is it possible
to reduce the buffering or turn it off completely?
Why? I work as a Network Engineer
opaqueice;175687 Wrote:
Many on this forum and others have reported huge improvements from using
linear PSU's at the same price point and below (this one sells for as
much as $30, evidently). Furthermore it was opened up and checked, and
it's perfectly well constructed.
You just have
It's got 64Mb of RAM. If you switch off the network or the server it
will continue to play for maybe 30 seconds, depending on how full the
buffer was (the time might also depend on what file format you're
streaming - possibly streaming mp3 it would last longer - but I haven't
experimented).
I
P Floding;175700 Wrote:
What is the rest of your system?
In my system I strongly suspect my TacT didn't like the SB's wall
wart.
The symptom was a loss of imaging and a more fatiguing sound in
general.
Re. display noise: You wouldn't expect that to change depending on
extrenal power
Opaquiece,
I did hear hash with the stock ww and the noise floor was lower with
the linear psu.
However the noise floor was lower when I plugged the ww into a power
conditioner, though still louder than the elpac.
My system may be more vulnerable to rfi than yours?
jhm, As to price, I heard
P Floding;175636 Wrote:
Stereophile this and Stereophile that..
They seem to be some kind of gods over there! ;-)
Gods to some, devils to others:
http://www.biline.ca/critic3.htm
you have to love Aczel...
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You could try the Network test plugin from the Sb which is used to
measure sustained throughput from a source - AFAIK buffering is not an
issue in this test.
Some measure of SB buffering can be adjusted from 3 secs to 30 secs
from the Slimserver menu.
I think a significant issue for streaming
opaqueice;175706 Wrote:
SB3 - custom Odyssey Audio Cyclops - BW CM4 (which are pretty good
floorstanding box speakers with very high MAF/WAF).
I wasn't referring to the display noise (although I see no reason why
the PS would be less likely to affect that than music). I was
referring to
tomjtx;175711 Wrote:
Opaquiece,
I did hear hash with the stock ww and the noise floor was lower with
the linear psu.
However the noise floor was lower when I plugged the ww into a power
conditioner, though still louder than the elpac.
My system may be more vulnerable to rfi than
P Floding;175717 Wrote:
The display noise (if it's there) would be a product of the display
circuit (power to the display, digital drivers, the actual display
itself, etc). I don't see that an external power supply necessarily can
do anything to affect that.
But you do see how it can affect
Clive - yes, that is exactly what I meant (C2 errors + re-reads in EAC
on 30% of 2,000+ CD's). Thanks for clarifying that.
Phil
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CardinalFang;175634 Wrote:
I thought it had concealment via the drive electronics, but you could be
right and it does nothing. In that case, EAC would be creating audibly
broken rips on bad discs rather than a barely-audible concealment. Is
that really the case?
Yes, this is the case. I'd
opaqueice;175723 Wrote:
But you do see how it can affect music playback?
If the PS induces jitter in the D/A it's because there are some stray
fields around which cause noise in the DAC. In that case they will
also induce noise in the analogue out, and when you amplify it you
should
I think I'm with PF on this one - it seems to be not so much a case of
the noise floor being any lower, but of RFI getting in somewhere and
jittering things up...
I can't hear any difference in the noise floor playing a silent WAV...
(in 5.1 party - ie mono mode) and believe me with 1,340 watts
Phil Leigh;175730 Wrote:
I think I'm with PF on this one - it seems to be not so much a case of
the noise floor being any lower, but of RFI getting in somewhere and
jittering things up...
I can't hear any difference in the noise floor playing a silent WAV...
(in 5.1 party - ie mono mode)
I'm trying to follow this thread, but have a basic question -
I have a Plextor Premium that I am using with EAC. The drive does have
C2 error correction. However, the setup instructions for EAC stated to
use Secure Mode, but not to check the box that asks if the drive has C2
error correction.
cliveb;175624 Wrote:
I've seen a variety of comments in this thread which could do with a
little bit of clarification:
If you use secure mode it re-reads everything, which is why it's so
slow when set up properly.
Most drives these days are capable of reporting C2 errors, and in
those
whdean;175734 Wrote:
I have a Plextor Premium that I am using with EAC. The drive does have
C2 error correction. However, the setup instructions for EAC stated to
use Secure Mode, but not to check the box that asks if the drive has C2
error correction.
Checking the box defeats the drives
P Floding;175727 Wrote:
Well, if a component (say the display system) GENERATES noise
internally, it's not going to help adding a nicer external power
supply. Isn't that quite obvious?
If that's obvious (which I don't agree it is), then it's equally
obvious that the PS doesn't affect
P Floding;175636 Wrote:
Stereophile this and Stereophile that..
They seem to be some kind of gods over there! ;-)
I'm sure a good review translates to higher resale value. Just look at
Audiogon.
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tomjtx;175711 Wrote:
jhm, As to price, I heard NO difference between a stock elpac, a bolder
modded elpac and wayne's prototype ultimate psu NONE, zero, zilch,
nada.
The bolder 750.00 psu is a monumental waste of money IMO.
I'm flameproof at this point so don't bother :-)
( I eat
opaqueice;175723 Wrote:
In any case it would be quite easy (with the right equipment) to
measure whether or not SB jitter is affected by using a linear PS. Has
anyone done that?
Everything's been done before!
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392
This is my personal
opaqueice;175712 Wrote:
Gods to some, devils to others:
http://www.biline.ca/critic3.htm
you have to love Aczel...
That was good fun reading!
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opaqueice;175684 Wrote:
I have a year-old Oppo CD/DVD player, which retails for around $200. I
also have a Technics CD player from the mid 90's. Neither sounds
better than the SB. I haven't bothered to level match them and do a
careful comparison, but I suspect neither sounds worse
jhm731;175748 Wrote:
I haven't heard the the Bolder PSU or the stock or modded Elpacs.
Suggest you visit the Bolder forum on Audiocircle.com and post your
findings on that product.
My linear cost $30.
Does your asbestos cereal taste better with whole milk or half half?
;-)
If I
Skunk;175751 Wrote:
Everything's been done before!
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392
This is my personal favorite :-)
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14589
..Andrew L. Weekes response in particular.
The question isn't does an upgraded supply make a
P Floding;175759 Wrote:
It says absolutely nothing about the SMPS's possible influence on other
equipment.
Astute observation, but opaqueice had asked about jitter.
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opaqueice;175747 Wrote:
If that's obvious (which I don't agree it is), then it's equally obvious
that the PS doesn't affect music, since your argument works just as well
for that. And again, it's not only the display noise one can check,
it's also the background noise from the left channel.
Not wishing to cloud the issue but what (I think) PF and I are hearing
is the wall wart doing something to our TACT gear rather than
anything to do with the SB itself.
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Skunk;175764 Wrote:
Astute observation, but opaqueice had asked about jitter.
If used with an external DAC jitter may well be introduced by noise
from the SMPS. Also, even when used with the internal DAC jitter may
well result from noise (from the SMPS) being introduced in unexpected
ways,
Phil Leigh Wrote:
Not wishing to cloud the issue but what (I think) PF and I are hearing
is the wall wart doing something to our TACT gear rather than
anything to do with the SB itself.
I don't think your comment clouds the issue - that possibility remains.
But once again, if the problem
CardinalFang;175654 Wrote:
and feng-shui wooden blocks to go under your keyboard.
I knew there was something missing in my system
Anybody know where I can get the audiophile-approved ones? No less than
$1000 please. :-P
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Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31
Yeah, there are $3k+ equipment racks out there. It's getting ridiculous
if you ask me!
Here's mine FWIW
Wired Sb3, 250
Sonic Impact Super T, 125
Zhaolu DAC, 175
Fostex fe206, 150
JBL Subwoofer, 100
Blue Jeans digital/speaker cable, 50
.5m cardas rca cable, 100 (weak moment)
I think I'm under
P Floding;175768 Wrote:
That somehow a DAC will start producing noise when nothing is played if
jitter would be present when something is being played. It's like
trying to check the quality of the water supply with the tap turned
off.
Look - if EMI is causing jitter in the DAC, it's also
nicketynick;175779 Wrote:
I knew there was something missing in my system
Anybody know where I can get the audiophile-approved ones? No less than
$1000 please. :-P
Just send me a private message, and we'll arrange something..
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Well, I disagree. I'll give one more example which might be
instructive, and this will be my last comment on the subject.
Suppose there's a component of EM noise at 100Hz. Imagine adding that
a) to the digital signal before the DAC
b) to the analogue signal after the DAC.
Is there a
Phil Leigh;175784 Wrote:
It doesn't necessarily follow that EMI causing jitter would be audible
as noise in the analogue stages. Jitter affects timing not the noise
floor. I can't hear the wart doing anything to my DAC as far as noise
floor is concerned. It seems the TACT is susceptible to
opaqueice;175789 Wrote:
Well, I disagree. I'll give one more example which might be
instructive, and this will be my last comment on the subject.
Suppose there's a component of EM noise at 100Hz. Imagine adding that
a) to the digital signal before the DAC
b) to the analogue signal
opaqueice;175789 Wrote:
Well, I disagree. I'll give one more example which might be
instructive, and this will be my last comment on the subject.
Suppose there's a component of EM noise at 100Hz. Imagine adding that
a) to the digital signal before the DAC
b) to the analogue signal
Skunk;175739 Wrote:
You might want to check your facts :-)
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
edit: link failed to go 'technology' page. See first two sentences.
There's no arguing with what Andre has written on his web site.
So how come discs which are known to be free of C2 errors rip
cliveb;175818 Wrote:
There's no arguing with what Andre has written on his web site.
So how come discs which are known to be free of C2 errors rip
considerably faster when the C2 option is checked than when it isn't?
This suggests to me that the sectors are being read fewer times.
cliveb;175818 Wrote:
There's no arguing with what Andre has written on his web site.
Looking back at my comment, you were right to clarify. EAC isn't always
slower in secure mode, because if you can trust your drives C2 and
enable the feature there is no re-read.
It's all explained really
cliveb;175643 Wrote:
But in hindsight, I might not have tried EAC using secure mode but with
C2 capability switched off, so I'll give that a go and report back.
OK, I've just tried this again, making sure to try EAC with the C2
option set both ways. I also tried setting the drive caches audio
Skunk;175832 Wrote:
It's all explained really well in the tooltip rollovers in the
application, e.g. when you mouseover the c2 checkbox.
Thanks - I've just tried the tool tips in EAC, and see that it does
indeed say that it doesn't re-read when C2 is checked. Which is in
accordance with what
Phil Leigh;175800 Wrote:
But...adding a 1kHz tone to (the analogue representation of) the digital
signal wont create analogue noise in the DAC - it just makes it harder
for the DAC to recover the bits...
Well, not really. Adding noise to the digital signal (and yes PF, by
digital signal
Triode;175847 Wrote:
SB3 will be a good demo, but only because it has a reasonable amount of
buffering and hence you will get good performance.. Its designed to
cater for Wifi dropouts so a 50ms protection switch is nothing for it.
Data is transfered from the server to player using a tcp
I was trying to say its much more than 50ms - its of the order of 10secs
or more depending on the data rate you are streaming at.
[put I liked to do demos which always worked]
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opaqueice;175845 Wrote:
Well, not really. Adding noise to the digital signal (and yes PF, by
digital signal I obviously mean the electrical S/PDIF signal
transmitted along the wire, not the abstract sequence of bits) will
change the analogue output of the DAC. This is called jitter; it
opaqueice;175712 Wrote:
Gods to some, devils to others:
http://www.biline.ca/critic3.htm
you have to love Aczel...
Peter is my audio hero - the best, more physically electronically
sensible audio advice I have read along with Linkwitz
www.linkwitzlab.com. Check out the new backissues in
I think a 50msec changeover is a bit irrelevant to a TCP connections as
long as the basic comms link stays up. If there is a glitch which
results in packet corruption/loss, TCP will arrange retransmissions as
long as the TCP connections is maintained. If the retransmission can
occur such that
nicketynick;175779 Wrote:
I knew there was something missing in my system
Anybody know where I can get the audiophile-approved ones? No less than
$1000 please. :-P
Give me a call. I'll sell you some for a lot more if I can sneak one
away from my kids... ;-)
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Sonic
P Floding;175883 Wrote:
No, because it is not overlaid. It is correlated. You don't get
similar noise from your described methods.
If you have a separate DAC you can test for yourself with various
transports.
Yes exactly...and correlated jitter doesn't equal noise it equals odd
things
P Floding;175755 Wrote:
That was good fun reading!
That was almost the most fun I've had with all of my clothes
on...almost.
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bpa;175886 Wrote:
I think a 50msec changeover is a bit irrelevant to a TCP connections as
long as the basic comms link stays up. If there is a glitch which
results in packet corruption/loss, TCP will arrange retransmissions as
long as the TCP connections is maintained. If the retransmission
Buffer size is implemented in the player firmware and is not user
adjustable I'm afraid.
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P Floding;175883 Wrote:
No, because it is not overlaid. It is correlated. You don't get
similar noise from your described methods.
OK, I guess that wasn't my last post...
Take the actual waveform, subtract the ideal, and that's the noise
spectrum (or distortion, or choose whatever term you
Does the winamp streaming method use the buffer in a different way?
I thought there was a way to do real-time PC sounds through a
squeezebox, but have never used it. Apologies if I'm way off base.
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The original Slimdevices SLiMP3 device used UDP and there are some
software emulators for it on Linux (e.g. slimp3slave) but I've no idea
whether the emulator still works nor the buffer size.
There are still slimp3 users using current version of slimserver so if
you still want an UDP stream
opaqueice;175906 Wrote:
OK, I guess that wasn't my last post...
Take the actual waveform, subtract the ideal, and that's the noise
spectrum (or distortion, or choose whatever term you prefer - from now
on I'll refer to it as noise). Because everything here is linear, you
can think of the
That's a good point - that hadn't occurred to me. EMI in the range from
20kHz - 40kHz would be inaudible added to the analogue output, but
jitter at that frequency could intermodulate with the digital signal to
produce audible distortion. For example 25kHz jitter can produce 10kHz
noise when a
opaqueice;175930 Wrote:
That's a good point - that hadn't occurred to me. EMI in the range from
20kHz - 40kHz would be inaudible added to the analogue output, but
jitter at that frequency could intermodulate with the digital signal to
produce audible distortion. For example 25kHz jitter
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jhm731;175588 Wrote:
You and opaqueice need to go down to your local Costco and pick up a
$50. DVDP.
The SB2 and SB3 sound much, much better than a $50 DVD player - and I
did a comparison, see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19240
Not only that, but it's really apples and
Mark Lanctot;175946 Wrote:
The SB2 and SB3 sound much, much better than a $50 DVD player
I think it depends. Compared to a $150 Pioneer DV-563A, I think the
SB2/SB3 sounds significantly better. Compared to a $50 Toshiba 3950, I
think the performance is comparable. (above comparisons are of
I have a 3 year old Jolida 202 amp driving some BW 803 speakers. I
found that the move to tubes really got rid of some of the harshness
associated with CDs and now with the Squeezebox (digital sources).
Sure you can spend lots on DACs with great analog sections and jitter
free clocks but for
PhilNYC;175954 Wrote:
I think it depends. Compared to a $150 Pioneer DV-563A, I think the
SB2/SB3 sounds significantly better. Compared to a $50 Toshiba 3950, I
think the performance is comparable. (above comparisons are of the
analog-outs). SB2/SB3 digital-outs are better than both of
Btw - I forgot to mention that my Toshiba 3950 broke after 5
months...(the Pioneer is still going strong after 2 years of casual
use)...
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Mark-
For sound quality, try a Toshiba SD-3990.
I have an SB3 with a linear psu.
I haven't heard the Transporter.
I don't work for a SB competitor.
Have a nice day.;-)
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jhm731;175963 Wrote:
Mark-
For sound quality, try a Toshiba SD-3990.
I have an SB3 with a linear psu.
I haven't heard the Transporter.
I don't work for a SB competitor.
Have a nice day.;-)
OK. I can accept that. As long as you own or have at least tried the
product, you are
Well, this is my first post, but I feel obligated to respond.
I picked-up an SB+ from Patrick a couple of weeks ago to round out my
upgraded system. Patrick was nice enough to make one for me in record
time, even with my specially ordered maple sides.
My system consists of the SB+, Nac 202,
Most of this thread is above my head, so I may be out of my element
here, but if you want to limit the buffer capacity on the SB3, the
highest bitrate stream you can send it is 24 bit/48 kHz WAV. The
buffer will be as limited as possible.
If you had a Transporter you could stream 24 bit/96 kHz
I think you are asking the wrong question here because you are confused
about how TCP and buffering work. Case in point, it took me a moment to
figure out that by m/s you meant milliseconds and not meters per
second!
Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts. On wireless we routinely
deal
And some more words of wisdom about what's important in sound quality:
http://www.biline.ca/critic1.htm
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seanadams;176002 Wrote:
Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts.
About 24 years ago, I worked with a guy who often referred to something
insignificant as mouse nuts. I never understood whether it referred
to the mouse's food or his anatomy. Do you know?
This unanswered question has
Ron,
www.biline.ca was the guy that arranged for many of the Audio Critic
back issues to be posted on the web zine. Your URL is essentially a
reprint of a backissue prior to the backissues going up.
If you liked that article, check out many more like it at
www.theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Back_Issues
seanadams;176002 Wrote:
Is there an alternative failure mode (for example a competing product
which does not recover as quickly), where you would like to show that
streaming does not perform as well? If you could describe what that
failure looks like, maybe we could suggest a test to
Thanks for the link, Eric. Lots of interesting stuff in these back
issues that resonates with my own sense of what's important and what's
not.
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