I remember being a kid and drawing out my own maps on graph paper for the
dungeons.
I absolutely loved these two games.
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually they were commodore 64 games
I forgot. Bard's Tale came out for the Apple as well. They
The thing is, although some Americans claim that the current
Republican candidates are on the fringe and don't represent
America...Santorum could win. Romney could win.
Bush won. Twice.
And everyone was saying he was an idiot, and wondering what the
Republicans were thinking putting him up for
I continue to wait patiently for Nintendo to release certain classic games
on their Wii Virtual Console.Baseball Stars...Rush'n AttackSuper
Tecmo Bowl.Kung Fu..but my patience is growing thin.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
A game
So vote democrat, or it's the end of the world!
(As we know it)
((And I feel fine))
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
The thing is, although some Americans claim that the current
Republican candidates are on the fringe and don't represent
There have been alarming laws signed under a Democratic president as well.
Obama isn't a Republican, and that law allowing the indefinite arrest
of US Citizens was passed by him.
However, the Democratic party certainly is not making an all out
attack on women's rights, and doesn't push a
Metformin is very beneficial to diabetics...I have been taking metformin for
a very long time...probably since I was diagnosed in 2000. I get the
gastrointestinal side effects and had to stop taking it at one point because
the runs got so bad. Since I now also take vicoden, that counteracts
Damn elitist... *grin*
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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:36 AM
To: cf-community
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There have been alarming laws signed under a Democratic president as well.
Obama isn't a Republican, and
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the top privilege that matches the author's point ;-) lol
What? I can't hear you over the noise att the poor people are making as
they are pulling me to work on my chariot made of bacon.
-Cameron
...
There is an annual fundraiser for a local theatre company across from my
building called 'BaconFest, so of course, guess who showed up?
http://blogs.ajc.com/the-buzz/2012/04/02/weekend-sightings-kevin-bacon-at-bacon-fest-justin-timberlake-at-fado/
I now have significantly fewer degrees of
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
I think what is needed is an educated electorate.
'Educated electorate' is an oxymoron.
--
Scott Stroz
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You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can
wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt.
On a 5-4 vote, court says that it is just peachy to strip search
anyone before putting them in a jail cell even if there is no cause to
think that they have any contraband and no matter how trivial the
offense was.
On a 5-4 vote, court says that it is just peachy to strip
search anyone before putting them in a jail cell even if
there is no cause to think that they have any contraband
and no matter how trivial the offense was.
Being that my primary work deals with the corrections industry and I
have a
Can you look at the specifics of this case, and please explain to me how
this fits in with the idea of the United States of America that we were
taught we lived in?
And that you agree that this was reasonable, and should be allowed?
I don't see it.
The arrest should not have happened.
The
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote:
And that you agree that this was reasonable, and should be allowed?
I don't see it.
The arrest should not have happened.
True
The strip search should not have happened.
I think I agree with searches on entry
Strip search on entering jail (as in local precinct/town jail) I can accept.
Visual cavity search for all people entering jail I have an issue with.
That ain't right.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Jerry Milo
I think the biggest issue was that he was arrested in the first place.
After that, he was treated like any other prisoner.
He spent 6 days in jail when he should not have. That I have issue
with. The fact that he was treated like any other prisoner when he got
there I have no issues with.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Strip search on entering jail (as in local precinct/town jail) I can
accept.
Visual cavity search for all people entering jail I have an issue with.
That ain't right.
To me, the real issue here is that in this day
...or detained
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
To me, the real issue here is that in this day and age of technology and
access to quick information, there is absolutely no excuse for someone to
be detailed because records were out of date.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
To me, the real issue here is that in this day and age of technology and
access to quick information, there is absolutely no excuse for someone to
be detailed because records were out of date.
THAT's the real
The arrest should not have happened.
Agreed, though from the information presented the arresting officer
did his job properly. The information in the system was incorrect
which led the officer to take an action that was justified given the
information he had available to him at the time. If
Can't start treating some prisoners differently upon entering
'the system'. This will be recognized and exploited.
Indeed, which is why they have these blanket policies in the first
place. They used to use common sense best judgement for these kinds
of things until the inmates started to sue
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
The strip search should not have happened.
Being jailed should not have happened.
Those are really part of the same step, not generally separate tasks.
Being strip searched is part of the process of being booked into
Reasonable suspicion and Probable Cause are used all the time in
the legal system. They are one of the fundamental notions in the legal
system. There is no reason what so ever that there cannot be legally
well defined and defensible criteria to determine when strip searches
can and should be
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Reasonable suspicion and Probable Cause are used all the time in
the legal system. They are one of the fundamental notions in the legal
system.
IMHO - being admitted to a jail is more than enough reasonable suspicion
Closer...one step closer to the police state...
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On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO - being admitted to a jail is more than enough reasonable suspicion
and probable cause for a search. Period.
This guy should never have been admitted to jail, but that's not an issue
for the jail personel to
I'd rather be the one giving the red eye than the one staring at it.
.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO - being admitted to a jail is more than enough reasonable
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Now, you really think it is reasonable and worthwhile to strip search
every single one of those 100 protestors? What is gained? Why is it
reasonable? Do we really need to sacrifice the dignity and humanness
of all
It seems you may have an idea of the location the searches took place
that might not be accurate (and this explanation may not even matter -
but I am going to try anyway).
These strip searches were not done in a local police department after
the man was brought to the police station. They were
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Now, you really think it is reasonable and worthwhile to strip search
every single one of those 100 protestors? What is gained? Why is it
The issue is that a lot of doctors prescribe proton pump inhibitors to
offset the gastro effects of metformin, and by doing so, also offset
the beneficial effects as well as causing other problems with blood
sugar. Yes, metformin works, although the newer class of drugs for
insulin resistance,
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
The thing is, although some Americans claim that the current
Republican candidates are on the fringe and don't represent
America...Santorum could win. Romney could win.
Bush won. Twice.
Santorum cannot win. He could, however,
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Will 100% of jails adopt this as standard operating procedure? I don't
know. I do know, however, that the Supreme Court has just said that it
is perfectly acceptable for them to do so. That's the disturbing part.
The
Scott, the ruling makes no distinction between different types of
jails. Further more, look at the actual person involved in the case.
He had an outstanding (though incorrect) warrant for a failure to pay
a fine. He had not been brought to trial and sentenced for the failure
to pay that fine yet.
I have mixed feelings on this one. I can certainly understand the
need to make sure no one is bringing contraband into a jail, to
provide for the safety of both the jailers and the other inmates. It
would be truly tragic if the guy who was picked up on a bad warrant
had been shanked by another
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Will 100% of jails adopt this as standard operating procedure? I don't
know. I do know, however, that the Supreme Court has just said that it
What is the likelihood that someone picked up at a routine traffic
stop with a warrant for failing to pay a fine will be carrying a shiv
that won't be picked up by metal detectors and a pat down and then
attack someone with it in jail?
We've abandoned the notion of reason in the name of fear.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
You are misunderstanding my words. The legal offense on the dude's
part was (supposedly) not paying a fine. Hence the warrant. The court
ruled that even something as mild as not paying a fine (which is
illegal) still
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's fair to say not paying a fine should not land you in jail.
IMO there are ***LOTS*** of things that will land you in jail that should
not. But that's not what this ruling is about. At. All.
I agree.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
What is the likelihood that someone picked up at a routine traffic
stop with a warrant for failing to pay a fine will be carrying a shiv
that won't be picked up by metal detectors and a pat down and then
attack someone
Judah, are you saying that nobody should be strip searched when they go to
jail? Because, as fervently as I would like to avoid this happening to me,
I think I disagree. Jail is a dangerous place and body orifices classic
smuggling tactics. I don't think a metal detector is reliable here (anyone
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Scott, the ruling makes no distinction between different types of
jails. Further more, look at the actual person involved in the case.
He had an outstanding (though incorrect) warrant for a failure to pay
a fine. He
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
What is the likelihood that someone picked up at a routine traffic
stop with a warrant for failing to pay a fine will be carrying a shiv
that
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Jail would be even safer for the inmates and the guards if we kept
every person naked in solitary confinement. If safety and treating
people equally are the only criteria that matters, why not support
that move?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's fair to say not paying a fine should not land you in jail.
IMO there are ***LOTS*** of things that will land you in jail that
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Jail would be even safer for the inmates and the guards if we kept
every person naked in solitary confinement. If safety and treating
people
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
You're welcome, I knew you'd say that :)
Because, even though you use it, you recognize the rhetoric.
So, please explain for the class what makes your hypothetical not
extreme versus mine?
Because it's not a
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
However Once you're in jail, all bets are off.
And that's where I disagree. You still have rights after you are
arrested. That is when they are most important, in fact.
There is a difference between 'being arrested'
That's why they have pat downs and metal detectors.
Neither of which will find that baggie of drugs shoved into your
bodily cavities. Smuggling drugs into the jails is a HUGE problem
that the jails constantly have to contend with.
If there is reason to believe that someone might be secreting
My earlier point was that in NJ (as far as I know) there are no
'local' jails with a 'general population' - they are just not big
enough. Even in Newark, the police stations do not have a 'cell block'
- hence no 'general population'. Typically those who will have an
extended stay are processed to
That is a really cool email address.helps that you work for a cool
sounding place like DarkTech.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
sumthin.
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I assume this would fall under the category of equal treatment. If
you strip search everyone who is placed into a cell, then no one can
claim they were profiled or treated differently.
It's not like they are being water boarded.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Judah McAuley
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Jail would be even safer for the inmates and the guards if we kept
every person naked in solitary confinement. If safety and treating
people equally are the only criteria that matters, why not support
that move?
That is a really cool email address.helps that you work
for a cool sounding place like DarkTech.
LOL, thanks. That's just a personal e-mail address that stems back to
a BBS scripting group called Dark Technologies that my friend and I
ran back in the mid 90's. The domain was picked
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
Because it's not a hypothetical? Because people are stabbed with smuggled
weapons in jails all the time? Because it actually happens, and isn't just
an imaginary boogyman?
It is a hypothetical.
You are saying that
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
That is a really cool email address.helps that you work
for a cool sounding place like DarkTech.
LOL, thanks. That's just a personal e-mail address that stems back to
a BBS scripting group called Dark
Your hypothetical argument would hold water if the strip searches did
not find any contraband.
I have 2 cousins who are corrections officers for a state prison and
the list of things they have told me are found during the 'strip
search' is quite long (and I will readily admit this may be
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
It is a hypothetical.
You are saying that routine strip searching is justified because it is
possible that such procedures could prevent a hypothetical attack that
you outline. It's a justification of an incursion
It is a hypothetical.
I think that's what you're missing. It's not hypothetical. Weapons
and drugs are smuggled into county jails every day and these things
actually do happen on a fairly regular basis. That's like stating
that cars shouldn't be required to have emergency flashers because
That's awesome. I was 14 or 15 years old when i first started
logging onto BBS's. I had no idea what i was doing, but I
knew it was fun.
I think there are more than a few of us who share a similar story. If
I recall, Dave Ferguson got started in CF as a result of a suggestion
from a
http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/social-spam-endorsed-viagra-hawkers-online-gambling-and-gop-189912?page=0,0source=IFWNLE_nlt_notes_2012-04-02
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I'll let the lead author of the dissent, Justice Breyer, in this case
take out your argument:
The New York Federal District Court, to which I have referred,
conducted a study of 23,000 persons admitted to the Orange County
correctional facility between 1999 and 2003.These 23,000 persons
ok, but you're arguing for keeping people in individual cells, which is
fine for a few hours maybe, but impractical for the week this man was
incarcerated, not to mention that it would itself draw complaints of
inhumane treatment.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Judah McAuley
social networks involving sock puppets, botnets, and Viagra spammers.
You mean there's a difference between this and regular Republican
propaganda? who know.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying, Dana.
Judah
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
ok, but you're arguing for keeping people in individual cells, which is
fine for a few hours maybe, but impractical for the week this man was
incarcerated, not to mention that it
I'm saying that if I understand you, your proposed alternate procedure
would be to keep someone like this out of the general population, in a cell
by himself. And that that's great, and would in fact be a good idea if
there were clear-cut criteria for doing so, except for one thing. As a
rule,
er, where the man was held
stupid auto-complete
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm saying that if I understand you, your proposed alternate procedure
would be to keep someone like this out of the general population, in a cell
by himself. And that that's
I can think of several thousand ways to monetize that domain name.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
LOL, thanks. That's just a personal e-mail address that stems back to
a BBS scripting group called Dark Technologies that my friend and I
ran back
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57408208-261/hollywood-formally-brings-isps-into-the-anti-piracy-fight/?tag=mncol;txt
Seems plausible and reasonable, on the surface. But I am very suspicious of
this.
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Welcome to the fascist police state...
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:41 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine for any offense, no
matter how small
Can you look at the specifics
I disagree...if you are in for a minor traffic violation, failure to pay a
fine, or even child support (and that's a whole nother rant on that...family
court makes courts in totalitarian dictatorships look fair and just) and
they put you in the general population while you are awaiting the
I'll let the lead author of the dissent, Justice Breyer, in this case
take out your argument:
If you take the 1 in 23,000 figure and use it as an average over the
claimed 13 million people who pass through intake every year, that
works out to about 565 instances of contraband found each year,
naw. Just because you were arrested for something stupid doesn't mean you
aren't a risk. Serial murderers come to the attention of law enforcement
when they get pulled over for speeding and turn out to not have insurance.
Besides, once you are in the general population, it's in your own interest
Not totally correct...if you are pulled over by the sheriff's department or
state police, there is a possibility you can go to county because that is
also where the courts are at. When my wife went to jail for child support
non-payment (when she was unemployed), she went to county. It depends
Maybe they can make use of body scanners instead...if they are useful in
airports, why not jails...
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine for any offense,
No, that is stating an extreme example to point out ridiculous and illogical
this is.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine for any offense, no
And a meteor might hit you in the head too...
-Original Message-
From: Justin Scott [mailto:leviat...@darktech.org]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:32 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine for any offense, no
matter how small
That's why they have pat
No, I wasn't proposing an alternate procedure. I was pointing out the
slippery slope based on precedent.
First, Supreme Court says in 1978 that you can strip search inmates
after visits from outsiders because they could be smuggling in drugs
or weapons. But they placed careful limits on when
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
I'll let the lead author of the dissent, Justice Breyer, in this case
take out your argument:
If you take the 1 in 23,000 figure and use it as an average over the
claimed 13 million people who pass through intake
I'm not familiar with the 1978 decision, so maybe that's why I don't see
the slippery slope. I'm willing to believe in it -- why not, it's
everywhere else. I am just not sure this is the best example of it, because
once the system has you in custody it is responsible both for your safety
and for
Maybe they can make use of body scanners instead...if
they are useful in airports, why not jails...
Some are. Collier County, Florida, (Naples) for example began using a
type of body scanner about a year ago (the first in Florida). Pasco
County (Tampa Bay area) is using one now as well.
It seems they are basing the decision on a few earlier decisions:
...the Ninth Circuit ruled in United States. v. Aukai that airport
screening searches, like the one at issue here, are constitutionally
reasonable administrative searches because they are conducted as part of
a general
Ok, so here is my take on this.
1. A holding cell is not a jail is not a prison, and each should have
rules catered to it's specific environment. Authorizing strip searches for
failure to follow a leash law, or speeding, is excissive.
2. the guy shouldn't have been arrested, the fine was
Not in NJ...which is where this occurred.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
Not totally correct...if you are pulled over by the sheriff's department or
state police, there is a possibility you can go to county because that is
also where the
3. Our corrections system is broken. The fact that some of you so
readily accept contractors on prison staffs is unusual to me.
Outsourcing government control is a horrible idea in my view.
Just to clarify, when I first mentioned contractors I wasn't referring
to contracted jail staff, I
In NJ..you will NEVER go directly to 'county'...ever.
Each city/municipality has 'holding cells' in their police
stations/precincts where people are brought when they are arrested.
Yes, it possible that after 'processing' you would be transferred to
county - but, in NJ, you would never go
Also, in NJ, Sheriff's Officers are not patrol officers. They are
mostly used to serve warrants, operate 911 services, guard the county
courthouse and/or man the county prison.
I know this is different than elsewhere (including where I live now)
but this incident occurred in NJ, so I think its
I know this is different than elsewhere (including where I live now)
but this incident occurred in NJ, so I think its important to get the
details correct.
Different from elsewhere is right... they don't even let you pump your own gas.
-Justin
But it's a FOOD problem. Not pharmaeutical.
Right. That's why I said in regards to pharmaceuticals. It was an
indicator that the message was moving in a new direction.
I'm sure that the FDA is compromised in regards to food as well, but the
big money is in big pharma.
J
-
Ninety percent of
I remember being a kid and drawing out my own maps on graph paper for the
dungeons.
Yep. No auto-mapping in these two.
And of course, you could stack your characters if you performed the disc
swap maneuver. If you knew how to read a hex file, you could even fiddle
with the attributes with
The federal government is compromised in general.
We are no longer a nation by for and of the people.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
But it's a FOOD problem. Not pharmaeutical.
Right. That's why I said in regards to pharmaceuticals. It was an
Yeah, fun times.
You play thew SSI DD games, Pools of Radiance and Azure Bond I think?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember being a kid and drawing out my own maps on graph paper for the
dungeons.
Yep. No auto-mapping in these two.
And of
Early Warning Signs of Fascism
Oh. This is in regards to Republicans. That makes sense. The early signs
for President Obama have been around since he was elected.
Anyway, what do you define as fascism. It means different things to
different people.
Here's a definition from Sheldon
We still have a while to go before we get that far. More like Imperial
Germany around 1900 rather than Italy under Mussolini.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
Welcome to the fascist police state...
-Original Message-
From: Jerry
So it pretty well fits our current economic system.
I don't blame either party, rather I blame both. They both want to limit
liberty and freedom, personal and economic, albeit for different reasons.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Early Warning Signs
There is a lot of lobbying done by agribusiness.
Monsanto alone spent over six million in lobbying last year alone.
Deere, Archer Daniels and numerous others spent over a million.
The lobbying total for agribusiness is only about 50% of what Big
Phama spent, but it's still enough to buy plenty
We never really were. The truth is that is only a line in a speech.
It's a nice, catchy phrase, but it has no standing in law, and has
certainly never been the way the government has been run.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:08 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
The federal government is
Very well summed up...*clapping*
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:57 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine for any offense, no
matter how small
Ok, so here is my take on this.
1. A
Obviously...the point being is that you can end up in a general population
without being convicted of something...
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:49 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Supreme Court: Strip searches just fine
They patrol here as well...we have a lot of unincorporated areas. My
parents live in Unincorporated DuPage County, even though their mailing
address is in Glen Ellyn, IL. If the 911 was called, DuPage County Sheriffs
would respond, not Glen Ellyn PD and if you are arrested there you would go
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