Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-24 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:21 AM, denstar wrote: Not. I said the same guy probably listens in with warrants and without. If you trust him not to blackmail with a warrant then you should trust him without. Why? With a warrant you have documentation that X listened to Y. Only if you want to

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-18 Thread denstar
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, denstar wrote: ... It *looks* like only the data mining got thrown out. You didn't read it, you guessed. http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/07a0253p-06.pdf More wishful thinking, than guessing. I saw this

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-11 Thread Sam
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest stood.  Right? Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. It *looks* like only the data mining got thrown out. You didn't read it, you guessed.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-07 Thread Sam
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Read it. It was overturned. If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest stood.  Right? Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. Do you believe in coincidence?  Belafonte was just

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-07 Thread denstar
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Sam wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, denstar wrote: Read it. It was overturned. If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest stood.  Right? Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. It *looks* like only the data

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-06 Thread denstar
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Sam wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, denstar http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/acluvnsaop081706.pdf Let me know what you think. Read it. It was overturned. If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed. The rest stood. Right? I

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread G Money
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Powell not resigning and going before the UN and lying his ass off made me lose all respect for a once honorable soldier. He betrayed his oath. You think he knew he was lying? If so, why would the once

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Roberts
for them. Eric -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts ow

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Medic
dump health insurance, pay penalties instead On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Powell not resigning and going before the UN and lying his ass off made me lose all respect for a once honorable soldier. He betrayed his oath. You think

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Roberts
I think he sold his soul and then later had major regrets and resigned. Eric -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:18 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Medic
To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead ... because we all know how easy it would be to stand up to the most powerful man on planet earth. This is of course assuming he knew he was lying, which I'm not so sure of. I think Bush

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread G Money
had major regrets and resigned. Eric -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:18 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead ... because we all know how

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sam wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar wrote: Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian and Israeli kids, when they grew up. You do realize you were the

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread Eric Roberts
: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sam wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar wrote: Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Powell not resigning and going before the UN and lying his ass off made me lose all respect for a once honorable soldier.  He betrayed his oath. Reminds me of the Belafonte interview: http://www.blackcommentator.com/14_belafonte.html I

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread Sam
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, denstar http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/acluvnsaop081706.pdf Let me know what you think. Read it. It was overturned. I think they had a warrant for MLK. So it was legal, according to your logic.  Heck, even without a warrant.  It's the same people

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-31 Thread Sam
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian and Israeli kids, when they grew up. You do realize you were the Palestinian kid that was taught

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-30 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Sam wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, denstar wrote: At least he's given a lot of lip-service to open government, and started websites and whatnot. Did Bush43 do the same thing, and I'm just being biased? No, Bush was honest about his intentions:)

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
I see some unhappy reporters. No doubt. They seem to be an unhappy lot regardless of what is going on. I wonder if the demand has been the same with this president as with the last one? What do you think? Is there a master list of how many interviews each has done or turned down? As of

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think?  Is there a master list of how many interviews each has done or turned down? Today was his first press conference in 10 months . Is that open? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/world/asia/22detain.html

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
The cross was stolen, then replaced. The replacement was removed by the DOJ On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: First off...the cross was stolen, not removed by the government.

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Eric Roberts
It was just recently stolen...let me see if I can find the article on that. I am thinking within the past couple of weeks... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:28 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Maureen
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_cross21.dc697f6.html On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: It was just recently stolen...let me see if I can find the article on that. I am thinking within the past couple of weeks...

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: I see some unhappy reporters. No doubt.  They seem to be an unhappy lot regardless of what is going on. Some of them, yes. Everybody has an agenda. This was some great info! As for this bit: Regardless of the facts, people want to

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Sam wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM, denstar wrote: What do you think?  Is there a master list of how many interviews each has done or turned down? Today was his first press conference in 10 months . Is that open? At least he's given a lot of

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
So this guy's arguing that the media at large is bitching as much about lack of access as they did during Bush43? It doesn't seem to be on that scale yet, to me. Some are. As stated before, reporters seem to be an unhappy lot. Maybe they label every administration that comes in as the most

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
To some extent I agree, but then we are on the same slippery slope as moral relativity. Although everything is relative, some things are relative-er. And there *are* differences between the parties. Like the abortion stuff:

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
Although both Republicans and Democrats promise the moon and then don't deliver, they promise different moons. Amen. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: Although both Republicans and Democrats promise the moon and then don't deliver, they promise different moons. Amen. LOL! Touché. I love you, :DeN -- Here an attempt is made to explain suffering: the outcaste of traditional Hinduism

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: At least he's given a lot of lip-service to open government, and started websites and whatnot. Did Bush43 do the same thing, and I'm just being biased? No, Bush was honest about his intentions:) And besides that,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread denstar
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Sam wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:03 PM, denstar wrote: Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing? See Jerry's comment. I see some unhappy reporters. I wonder if the demand has been the same with this president as with

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread Eric Roberts
The DOJ just removed a WWI memorial cross from the desert because it's public land. Just imagine what it's going to cost to update all the tombstones in national cemeteries. Interesting deal, crosses and the military. You know about the fight to get a pagan star vs. a cross, right? First

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread Eric Roberts
Correction...Abe was a WWII vet...not a Korean War Vet... http://www.paganvets.org -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:42 PM To: 'cf-community@houseoffusion.com' Subject: RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:03 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing? See Jerry's comment. Where did you get that from? Who's guilty of what? Come on man, this is the overriding theme we've been on since Bush43

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-22 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Sam wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM, denstar wrote: Obama seems inclusive, Bush43 seemed exclusive. Yeah, look at how much he talks to the press :) It's more important to me that the government itself is open-er than under Bush. And getting open-er.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing? Damn skippy, we can. It's more important to me that the government itself is 'open'-er than under Bush. And getting open-er. What is your criteria for 'open'-er? It's obviously not the press, because they are

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sam wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:57 PM, denstar wrote: Do you see your bias yet or do we need to keep drilling? The problem is that the scenarios are not equal.  Although *both* do Bad Things, that doesn't make them the same. Keep drilling he says.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread denstar
Just warming up for my new government job: writing history books with Sam for the big bucks. :) -- If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on. Immanuel Kant On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dana wrote: nice rant Den

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread Sam
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Obama seems inclusive, Bush43 seemed exclusive. Yeah, look at how much he talks to the press :) Coupled with the push for draconian ideals such as guilty before innocent, that's a pretty Bad Thing. Where did you get

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Sam wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He just made it evil so now it's progressively more evil because of him? It's always been Evil.  Bush43 used FUD to push

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread denstar
Sam's Wile'e'er than he looks. No slouch, unless he's being lazy. My intellectual armament is Vash the Stampede-ish, so it's more than a bit hit and miss. :Den -- Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play. Immanuel Kant On Wed, May 19,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread Dana
nice rant Den On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Sam wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He just made it evil so now it's

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread Sam
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:57 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Do you see your bias yet or do we need to keep drilling? The problem is that the scenarios are not equal.  Although *both* do Bad Things, that doesn't make them the same. Keep drilling he says. Look dude, we can

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Den, You're having a battle of intellects with an unarmed person. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: -- Larry C. Lyons web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons --

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He just made it evil so now it's progressively more evil because of him? It's always been Evil.  Bush43 used FUD to push through, or get away with, a

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
Someone's lashing out because she was bitch-slapped by Sarah Palin. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. ~| Order the Adobe

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
I do find it entertaining. We can have fun dancing around with our thoughts while the other two act like spoiled idiot children. Can't really talk logic with them, they won't have it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Dana
As if Stupid User *could* finish a sentence let alone rebut one On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Someone's lashing out because she was bitch-slapped by Sarah Palin. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm telling you Denny --

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Sam
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with Bush. No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though. And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
delete On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with Bush. No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread denstar
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with Bush. No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though. And now it's worse because of what he started?

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread denstar
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana wrote: I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. Heh. It's *all* logic. Relatively. :)p I see it sorta like dancing. There is no real goal to speak of. Well, besides feeling good and having fun. If Sam feels good and is

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
it's fascinating to see its programming but... ah, as long as you aree having fun, I guess On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:25 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana wrote: I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. Heh.  It's *all*

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Sam wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM, denstar wrote: Like, he'd said Bush43 sucked before.  I remember.  I think it was the same list of things, even. I'm consistent. Well, there's certainly something to be said for consistency! Bravo! I'm either

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Sam wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM, denstar wrote: It's been out of control for as long as I can remember, really, 'cept for a time towards the end of Clinton's tenure (guess he robbed social security to do that tho?). You pay attention, that's

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread Dana
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Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
and that's your basis for using it as an example of domestic investment Sam. Snowbirds. And isn't Phoenix an agricultural center? Orange pickers, hello? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: You asked for one I gave you many. Wasn't it the city with the

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: and that's your basis for using it as an example of domestic investment Yes Sam. Snowbirds. No And isn't Phoenix an agricultural center? Orange pickers, hello? Must be a lot of money in picking oranges:

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
what do you mean no -- no they don't exist? People retire there, Sam, at least for the winter months. Snowbirds. No Great source -- real estate sales literature. Find me the average non-retirement income and then let me know.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
You're a joke. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: what do you mean no -- no they don't exist? People retire there, Sam, at least for the winter months. Snowbirds. No Great source -- real estate sales literature. Find me the average non-retirement

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
g this from someone who cites sales literature in an discussion of macroeconomics On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: You're a joke. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: what do you mean no -- no they don't exist? People retire

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
You asked for one company and I gave you dozens from the top of my head. You then try to weasel out of conceding by finding a loophole with one of them. To claim the fastest growing city in America in 2007 had no expanding business except for orange pickers and nursing home attendants is pretty

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
I didn't claim that. I said your proof was beyond thin and expressed incredulity that you posted it in a serious discussion ;P On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: You asked for one company and I gave you dozens from the top of my head. You then try to weasel out of

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-15 Thread Dana
many businesses in Phoenix Why Phoenix? Let me see a source for some of this blather. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon, Ebay, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, every casino in Vegas, many businesses in Phoenix. Should I continue? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-15 Thread Sam
You asked for one I gave you many. Wasn't it the city with the largest growth for the like five years? Someone must have been hiring. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: many businesses in Phoenix Why Phoenix? Let me see a source for some of this blather.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
name one On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: A lot. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: yeah? How many businesses did that under Bush? When the tax rate goes down people invest more. The take more chances with investments,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
Really? That list he just sent was the first I remember seeing. Of course, I periodically filter his emails to trash, so maybe that's my fault. Like, he'd said Bush43 sucked before.  I remember.  I think it was the same list of things, even. It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government where our privacy is concerned; not with medical stuff

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
link please. I call bullshit Anyone that understands what just happened with the bill is upset. I think it was Waxman that subpeanad ATT and others for saying they would need to write off $ billions for the new law. After a day of testimony and a review of the documents he conceded they

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
Kind of. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: It *is* pretty bothersome that he's

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
so but not medical though does not contain a verb -- comma not semicolon On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period On Thu, May 13, 2010 at

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
I don't see but not medical though in my sentence. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: so but not medical though does not contain a verb -- comma not semicolon On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of. On Fri, May 14,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And Haliburton doesn't count. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: name one On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: A lot. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: yeah? How many businesses did that

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
Sorry, was operating from memory. But not with medical stuff though still doesn't have a verb in it. The point remains. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see but not medical though in my sentence. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dana

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
Do try to remember to stay on target here. Denny was just trying to use a semi-colon for the fun of it. In an internet meme-y kind of way. I was just trying to help without basically destroying his original sentence. I should have maybe changed it to this: It *is* pretty bothersome that he's

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
yes, if the object is an English sentence that uses a semicolon correctly. I however thought he was trying for JavaScript. Could be me. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Do try to remember to stay on target here. Denny was just trying to use a semi-colon for the

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
haha, naw, all these guys just use jQuery now. No one knows how to write JS anymore but me. /runs On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: yes, if the object is an English sentence that uses a semicolon correctly. I however thought he was trying for JavaScript.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
Amazon, Ebay, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, every casino in Vegas, many businesses in Phoenix. Should I continue? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: name one On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: A lot.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
By bad, it was cancelled before they testified. http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/14/canceled-hearing-that-would-have-grilled-ceos-on-health-care/ On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: link please. I call bullshit Anyone that understands what just

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
Didn't they get one of the largest no-bid contracts evah just last weekend? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: And Haliburton doesn't count. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Interestingly enough it looks like Haliburton is up to its old tricks. They were responsible for putting cement down the drill hole at the Transocean's Deepwater Horizon drill site. It been suggested that the procedure was so poorly done it may have caused the explosion. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I wouldn't know. I don't watch Faux News. I prefer real news to fictional stuff. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't they get one of the largest no-bid contracts evah just last weekend? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
That's Cheney's fault right? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly enough it looks like Haliburton is up to its old tricks. They were responsible for putting cement down the drill hole at the Transocean's Deepwater Horizon drill site. It

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
I only watch Bret Beir but what the hell. Pick an news channel you watch and we'll compare for accuracy. I'm guessing you're into Obie, Mathews and Maddox. It's is odd for eight years you're real news channel rags about Haliburton and all the sudden a no-bid contract isn't even news. Makes you

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
this is true. I'm not sure what the chances are that it will work, probably under 50%. For $20 it's probably worth a try. It is a lot more portable than a cpap :) On May 12, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Dana wrote: I have heard that this works for some people. Much depends, I am told, on the

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
I would think the difference would be obvious. My point exactly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
I believe that the contrary has in fact been demonstrated. They listen to many many calls with no al Qaeda connection. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Haha. I meant you don't need worry unless you're calling a known al Qaeda operative. On Wed, May 12, 2010

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
They were legal. We discussed this endlessly here. The government doesn't need a warrant to tap al Qaeda and if you call al Qaeda expect them to listen in. It's worse now under Obama and it's still not an issue. Who's complaining about it? I'm still complaining and you are still telling me

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread denstar
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: And why weren't there Tea Parties when the *cough*illegal*cough* wiretapping and crap was going down?  That's when we should have been in the streets with torches. There were people protesting.  The media gave them a lot of attention,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
Obama's open government initiative failing in a big way ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamas-open-government-initiative-failing-in-a-big-ways-90364464.html I must be, because it *still* /feels/ like a more open government to me. I don't know if

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
If it works for you, good! I asked about them and was told this was not an option. Ditto losing weight -- well, it's an option, and desirable for other reasons, but it won't do anything about the sleep apnea, they tell me. It is enough in some cases though apparently. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
Don't they have like 20 seconds to listen for key words? Not sure how it works but if you think they're listening to you they probably are :) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that the contrary has in fact been demonstrated. They listen to many many

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
You're complaining about something Obama is doing? I don't believe you. Use his name in the same sentence as a complaint. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: They were legal. We discussed this endlessly here. The government doesn't need a warrant to tap al

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
The Bush admin met with Enron and denied all their request unlike the Clinton admin that bent over backwards for them. Nice curve ball but lets get real, open government is a farce. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: Obama's open government initiative failing

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Sam wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:24 PM, denstar wrote: Tea parties are against excessive taxes and spending. That's a new phenomenon. Sure, if your lifespan is measured in thousands of years.  :) Did you notice it's not constant? Which, death or

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
I think you totally miss my point. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Don't they have like 20 seconds to listen for key words? Not sure how it works but if you think they're listening to you they probably are :) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Dana

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
Obama should not continue warrantless wiretaps and is wrong to do so. Obama has put too much faith in the emissaries of Goldman Sachs. now let me see you do the same for Bush or even Cheney. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: You're complaining about something

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
Really? How do you know? They fought the Sierra Club and Judicial Watch for years to avoid saying that. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: The Bush admin met with Enron and denied all their request unlike the Clinton admin that bent over backwards for them. Nice

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
well... to avoid say they met with them. I don't believe for a minute that they denied Kenny Boy's requests. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: Really? How do you know? They fought the Sierra Club and Judicial Watch for years to avoid saying that. On Thu, May

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