I think the article is here
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/hoodwink.html
it's the 2nd last paragraph.
Everybody be sure to read (or at least skim) the rest of his web site. The
only thing missing are UFO abductions, black helicopters and credible
sources.
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Yahoo and Double click offer both untargetted, and targetted ads.
Both work perfectly well in their own way. Indeed in the early days,
both those services offered only untargetted ads.
Yeah, and untargeted ads have horrible click-through rates.
What are you referring to? No they don't.
part of that though would stem from the fact that you (banana people)
don't have the overheads in terms of inventory and fulfillment..
Right -- in fact I lied anyway. It is almost inconceivable that
BANANA would recover its development costs, so, its a loser.
I have used banana gold a few
To reach people who have US Dollars:
(i) advertise anywhere, on any medium.
Whatever and wherever the ad was, it would reach only _some_ users and be
unseen by most. It would suffer from the same weakness as an ad on a
market-maker's page.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean there. Someone
I used bananagold to place an order for a cd, the bananagold order went
through in a matter of seconds, it then took Amazon over a week to get the
order packed and shipped and on the status report it said deliver time would
12 to 24 days, it arrived 2 days later!
This proves three things
1.
I used bananagold to place an order for a cd, the bananagold order went
through in a matter of seconds, it then took Amazon over a week to get the
order packed and shipped and on the status report it said deliver time would
12 to 24 days, it arrived 2 days later!
This proves three things
1.
I believe the excellent metalproxy.com guys already do BN, and I am
not a brutal cut-throat competitor.
Oh OK I did not know that...think I will stick with Bananagold anyway.
The only way you can reach people who use e-gold...is on the e-gold
mailing list.
IS there an e-gold mailing
The only way you can reach people who use e-gold...is on the e-gold
mailing list.
IS there an e-gold mailing list???
Ah - I simply meant THIS MAILING LIST that we are chatting on, man!
The only way to reach egold users for your new egold-related venture:
this mailing list!
Also
Viking Coder wrote:
The main question again is - Why should e-gold bother?
To make money. That's the *point* to being in business.
To *increase* gross revenue. To increase shareholders' value.
They don't need the money, which is usually the primary reason for hosting
advertising.
Huh?
JPM and all
Is there not some way we as e-gold listees cannot form some sort of
co-operative to promote ourselves outside of the e-gold list, surely some
cross promotion between ourselves can help.
I am in the process of updating my generic web design business web site and
will be making a big
I had better correct myself! I have tested a search on
shop e*gold
against
shop e-gold
and the 'e-gold' works correctly (on www.google.com or on www.ao.com.au),
and therefore better than 'e*gold' which, although it ranks e-gold sites
highly, it also includes sites simply about
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple fact:
The only way you can reach people who use e-gold...is on the e-gold
mailing list.
Which is a sorry state of affairs. Particularly when something can
be done about it. It's an absurd situation.
What a great example of how to *hold back* e-gold
Here's another enterprise for the e-gold mailing list which rumours
say may open soon.
http://interestingsoftware.com/temp/comsoon2.gif
http://interestingsoftware.com/temp/comsoon1.gif
Looks like some sort of members site.
(In the example I am crossed up and down against myself, which would
JP, why don't you call Doug and talk to him directly about advertising for
this big Mega Corp you want to sell?
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Here's the paragraph from Sherman Skolnick:
Another sizeable firm, amazon.com, according to some financial records
experts, is actually bankrupt but is being presented by the Rockefeller
banks as alive when amazon is actually dead. Smiling idiot wiseguy, Jeffrey
Bezos, a publicity hypester and
Actually JP, you didn't lie. Your development costs are sunk costs. You are
making profits in the present, although you have not yet broken even.
There's no reason that it cannot grow beyond your expectations.
Ian Green
http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242
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From:
Hi Michael,
I have been using Barnes Noble (as well as Amazon) for e-gold customers
for a couple of years and they have provided good service. I have even dealt
with any of the Australian cc-based mail order companies for e-gold. I don't
have an automated interface though, so my customers have
Thanks Ian
That is worth keeping in mind.
Might be worthwhile instituting an interface
Mike
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Sorry if this appears twice, but I sent this 59 minutes ago, and others I
have sent more recently came through with only a few minutes delay. :~o
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Subject:
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Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
SNIP
I'm not exactly sure what you mean there. Someone had said AH HA!
there is
I'm not exactly sure what you mean there. Someone had said AH HA!
there is no SPECIFIC! MEDIUM! to reach people who use US Dollars.
That statement is incorrect, since, 100% of people use US Dollars,
so, any medium works.
100% of people do *not* use US Dollars. Furthermore, in order to
Moreover, by the any medium works reasoning, any medium works for reaching
e-gold users. Don't most of us watch television or read newspapers?
Try advertising in _Liberty_ or _Reason_.
Another point, why would MegaCorp be overly worried about contacting the
exisiting ~95,000 funded accounts
Do you believe that e-gold should keep it's growth rates slower
than they can be?
No, but there better ways of increasing the growth rate (currently @
~30%/month) than polluting the spend page with advertising.
Untargeted ads is what's needed.
Then create a TV ad, take out full page ads
As I mentioned in another post, why should MegaCorp be alienated when it
cannot directly contact the existing ~95,000 funded account holders? It
has a consumer base of millions that it can push an advertising campaign
of a new exiciting way to buy our product/service without a credit
card
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
Viking Coder
Worth Two Cents?
http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder
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On 21 Jun 2001, at 14:15, Viking Coder wrote:
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold
before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card.
As a merchant
JP wrote:
If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50
kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users.
State it.
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message
in the memo field.
Please donate the 50 Kg to the Ninth Amendment
Nice try Steve
But would it be cost effective?? :-)
95,000mg is a lot of gold...isn't it?
Geoff
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The idea hitting all of the e-gold accounts may seem like a good way to
advertise except for 2 issues.
First, how many of you actually look at your history (exchange providers
excluded).
Secondly, E-Gold does not notify people when money is placed in their
account. Unless someone just happens
Nice try Steve
But would it be cost effective?? :-)
95,000mg is a lot of gold...isn't it?
No, that's 95 grams -- about $800 USD.
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Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message
in the memo field.
Steve, I think this is a brilliant idea -- especially if E-Gold would ad
code to send an email message to a customer when they receive a payment!
You've been Paid! Buy anything from Amazon.com at
Targeting e-gold members through banner ads on e-gold's spend page won't
solve anything. Banner ads don't work. Displaying them on the spend page
would only be distracting to new account holders and annoying to
established accounts. Most importantly, policy decisions regarding content
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start
getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial
statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is
possible now, isn't it.
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Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start
getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial
statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it
is
possible now, isn't it.
OK, E-Gold could add a feature to their
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold
before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card.
Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The
On the bright side, actually getting paid for spam is a nice concept.
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Yeah, it's a cool idea
Vince Callaway wrote:
The idea hitting all of the e-gold accounts may seem like a good way to
advertise except for 2 issues.
First, how many of you actually look at your history (exchange providers
excluded).
Secondly, E-Gold does not notify people when money is placed in their
2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold
for
its use.
The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to
'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service,
(and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring
PowerClicks wrote:
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold
before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card.
Exactly. You must first acquire
As a merchant myself, I much prefer wiating for sfe e-gold than
taking CC and being charge 3%.
3% uncapped and with the very real possibility that the transaction will
be cancelled at any in the near future.
True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the risks in
the
On 21 Jun 2001, at 21:12, PowerClicks wrote:
True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the
risks in the hand of the consumer.
When you underdstand that the greater risk and costs is not with
gold and gold currencies, but with national currencies that are
constantly
On 21 Jun 2001, at 21:09, PowerClicks wrote:
Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to
do this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then
what's the point?
For e-gold and Goldmoney to reach the masses and replace credit
cards in online payments,
SnowDog wrote:
2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold
for
its use.
The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to
'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service,
(and subscriptions would be added
There's a good solution to this: e-gold should add the ability to
categorize spends so as to make agregating or ignoring a slew of
spamdonations easier. show all, show spams, show MMs, show
purchases... etc.
If you went this route -- to allow 'Spam Spends' -- then a category could be
set-up
The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to
'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this
service,(and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring the
user to turn them OFF manually -- maybe even at a cost to the account
holder).
Let
True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the
risks in the hand of the consumer.
When you underdstand that the greater risk and costs is not with
gold and gold currencies, but with national currencies that are
constantly debased, it becomes very easy to make the good
Ken Griffith wrote:
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start
getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial
statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is
possible now, isn't it.
There's a good solution
On 21 Jun 2001, at 14:46, Paul Ewing wrote:
No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their
money back from a merchant in the case of a problem.
When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non-
existant.
Claude
http://www.goldcurrencies.ca
On 21 Jun 2001, at 20:37, Julian Morrison wrote:
Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely
try and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and
regulate them and require so much snooping on the customers as to
effectively nationalize them by default.
On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some
official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch
to GoldMoney.
Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that
'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. A new user
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
I am betting that we will see a massive move to gold and private
money in the coming decade.
Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely try
and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and regulate
them and require so much
I saw a commercial on television advertising gold. The company behind it
was Monex (http://www.monex.com). Apparently, they sell gold coins and
other precious metals. I sent them an email inquiring about their e-gold
acceptance policy; Look at the reply I got. Did they even read my email?
I don't
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold
before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card.
Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is
No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their
money back from a merchant in the case of a problem.
When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non-
existant.
Convince the customers of that. One of the highest fears they have is that
of using a credit
It sounds like an auto-reply that the software sends out to any incoming mail.
I really get a kick out of Monex. They have been running the same
commercials on CNN for years. They sound great when the price of gold is
on one of its spikes, but most of the time I hear them when it is heading
When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non-
existant.
You also don't have to worry about the merchant doing multiple spends, or
a spend greater than what you authorized, out of your account. You also
don't have to worry about somebody getting your card# and going wild with
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Paul Ewing wrote:
[snip]
It doesn't look good as a money store. You pay 1% to keep the account and
then hope that the price of gold doesn't drop reducing your account
value. Your money store has to work extra hard to just keep up with
[/snip]
I will let all of you in
So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts
until you need to refill.
On 21 Jun 2001, at 15:35, Paul Ewing wrote:
How many people do this? Especially people new to the system?
Many do accumulate gold currencies to spend them at later date.
I have many customers on my GAP
Viking Coder wrote:
Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that
'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people.
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if
somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto
the statements,
So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts until you
need to refill. And it's useful as a money store and a means to
speculate on gold as well. Hardly rocket science.
So how much do you dump? $100, $1000, $1, more? You are assuming
everyone is bullish on gold. Apart
On 21 Jun 2001, at 22:25, PowerClicks wrote:
So how much do you dump? $100, $1000, $1, more? You are assuming
everyone is bullish on gold.
Long term... being bullish on gold is the only thing that make
sense.
Apart from exchange risk, to use it as a
money store you need the trust
On 21 Jun 2001, at 15:56, Paul Ewing wrote:
Search engines and word-of-mouth have done much, much better than
banners for me.
Not only for you...
Claude
http://www.goldcurrencies.ca
http://www.ormetal.com
==
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SnowDog wrote:
All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program,
please raise your hand.
With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to
implement, I see little way to prevent it.
I think everyone would go for it, if they could choose the
Hello,
I keep reading this all day long in my Outlook Express inbox:
Re: [e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
Now, I realize this is the subject heading that one person put in and
multiple people are just clicking reply to send a reply and therefore
carrying the
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if
somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto
the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails.
That still requires e-gold to spend time resources on making e-gold a
better
After reading that e-gold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
about
four hundred times I am starting to believe it because I am being
*subconsciously forced* to believe as such!
Eric Gaither, President
Very true Eric.Time we changed to a more positive note.
If it was that
Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount
they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of
accounts-by-mass?
So for e-gold what they should do is
- allow email notifies of spends along with the memo
- allow turning it off or setting a minimum
-
If they want a halfass currency with elastic attached, which they can
jerk back out of the merchant's hands post facto, then the *merchants*
will be quite justified in telling them to take a running jump, once
they see an alternative is available.
DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winner!
The
Viking Coder wrote:
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if
somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto
the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails.
That still requires e-gold to spend time resources on making
I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to
turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do
what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital
currency.
I think you're missing the point a little bit. I think what we're
SnowDog wrote:
Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount
they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of
accounts-by-mass?
So for e-gold what they should do is
- allow email notifies of spends along with the memo
- allow turning it off or
Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not
everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor
statements, if they bother reading them.
Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a
special function that could be
Here's another thought. For those who're appalled by the idea of
spamdonations and the fact that it's currently unstoppable, here's
another thought: egold could let you lock down how much minimum you're
willing to recieve in each of the metal types, anything above the
absolute floor which is
SnowDog wrote:
Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not
everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor
statements, if they bother reading them.
Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a
special
Viking Coder wrote:
If they want a halfass currency with elastic attached, which they can
jerk back out of the merchant's hands post facto, then the *merchants*
will be quite justified in telling them to take a running jump, once
they see an alternative is available.
DING, DING,
giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses
Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet
another place to receive SPAM from?
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
A one-time payment for an account holder's email address.
I think you're missing the point a little bit.
No. I am not. I completely understand what is being proposed.
implent a new function which will give businesses the option of spamming
the entire e-gold list of email addresses by PAYING the receivers to
receive their email messages!
This
Viking Coder wrote:
giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses
Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet
another place to receive SPAM from?
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
[...]
There are other ways.
Viking Coder wrote:
Leave e-gold alone! Let it be a currency PERIOD
It already is vulnerable to push spamming.
All of my suggestions at least are simply ways to moderate this
vulnerability, although some others have suggested expanding the
vulnerability, which I disagree with.
I agree with
Oo, oo, what'd I win? :-D
A goldfish. Delivery will cost 1Kg gold. :)
The consumer gets a method of spending over the internet that doesn't
leave them wide open for fraud. Their account can only accessed if they
allow it. Read one of my other posts before responding to that last
SnowDog wrote:
I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to
turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do
what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital
currency.
I think you're missing the point a little
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
[...]
There are other ways. The simplest:
[x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD]
[ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD]
You're talking about something completely
Then create a TV ad, take out full page ads in the major newspapers of the
world, or put banner ads up on DoubleClick/Yahoo/etc. Leave the spend page
clean of advertising.
Ah, Viking --- your (unprecedented) utter lack of logic (you'll be
talking about global warming next!) is now explained
JP wrote:
If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50
kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users.
State it.
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message
in the memo field.
Good idea, but I tried it already.
I used a
Viking Coder wrote:
Oo, oo, what'd I win? :-D
A goldfish. Delivery will cost 1Kg gold. :)
Don't kid, there are probably Koi carp worth that much...
The problem that sparked this whole discussion is that it's trivial to
*push* money into people's accounts without their permission.
It already is vulnerable to push spamming.
Which I don't see a problem with. If somebody wants to try to contact in
the memo field, they are pretty desperate to get ahold of me. There is no
guarantee that I'll check my account and notice the few extra tenths of
milligram.
I agree with you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good idea, but I tried it already.
I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would
read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests.
Next?
One in eighty is a droolable return rate on blind spam.
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Viking Coder wrote:
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
[...]
There are other ways. The simplest:
[x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD]
[ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD]
You're talking
On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some
official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch
to GoldMoney.
Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that
'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. A new user
If you went this route -- to allow 'Spam Spends' -- then a category could be
set-up by E-Gold for such a spend, which WOULD be broadcast simultaneously
to each receiver through their e-mail address, BUT E-Gold would have to
allow each receiver the option of charging a business to send this type
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message
in the memo field.
Good idea, but I tried it already.
I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would
read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests.
You asked for a way to reach e-gold users.
I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to
turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do
what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital
currency.
That's fair enough -- but that means that non-cottage industries
Dave, I appreciate your cogent message.
However, consider this:
Banner ads don't work
I don't agree and many people don't agree. I've found they work very
well. Big businesses can be built around them.
annoying to established accounts.
I'm all for an off switch if anyone doesn't want it.
Because an intelligent discussion doesn't center around people just
screaming YOUR IDEA SUCKS! TPPHHHH!!! - YEAH? WELL, WHAT DO YOU
KNOW? back and forth at each other.
:) fair enough ..
{It seems like a non-starter - we all hate adverts and wish there
were none on TV, magazines or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs.
Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for
HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and
we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises,
Sure, you would have no interest in knowing that etrade now take
egold, or that walmart.com now takes egold, or that Sprint just
decided to let you pay by egold.
I, and the rest of the world, would very quickly find out if some
MegaCorp, like Sprint, started accepting e-gold. Do you think
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message
in the memo field.
Good idea, but I tried it already.
I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would
read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests.
You asked for a way to reach e-gold users.
I think you have it back assward there. What e-gold should do is say
hey, currently were excellently suited to cottage industries - and
small web vendors are a vast market in aggregate. Lets push e-gold as
the ultimate way to run a mom-and-pop shop!
Yes. The only companies willing to accept
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs.
Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for
HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and
we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises,
we
Viking Coder wrote:
[...]Everybody
keeps saying how powerful the gold economy will be several years from now,
and then coming up with schemes to make it pre-maturely happen today.
Agreed, it's a bad idea to rush adoption speed - you need a minimum
number of *working* *trusted* sites taking
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