Re: MySQL.org

2002-01-08 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 04:38:02PM -, Andy Woolley wrote: Well, it certainly seems to be pointing to MySQL.com alright. Although the domain name registrant is still NuSphere and DNS still appears to be handled by NuSphere's command the IPAddress it resolves to is definitely that of

Re: MySQL.org

2001-12-30 Thread Andy Woolley
Hi, Well, it certainly seems to be pointing to MySQL.com alright. Although the domain name registrant is still NuSphere and DNS still appears to be handled by NuSphere's command the IPAddress it resolves to is definitely that of MySQL.com. Hmmm, I certainly hope this is justice and not just

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Thomas J Keller
John Birrell wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Since these issues are between two private companies, please

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Mark Tiramani
Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By all means, tell us the result. This discussion most certainly is our business. I would appeal to both MySQL AB and NuShphere to keep discussions as public as is

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread John Birrell
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By all means, tell us the result. This discussion most certainly is our business. No it's not.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Van
John Birrell wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By all means, tell us the result. This discussion most certainly is

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of result make

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of substantial

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Too bad it's not your list to make that decision, but Monteys Ruben mysql - the database written and owned by MYSQL AB On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions off this list. It

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Van
Michael Meltzer wrote: thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of interactive week in sail mail today. (In my best sarcastic voice)As they say in Hollywood Any Publicity is good as long as your spell the names right. Found a web version

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Van wrote: Michael Meltzer wrote: thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of interactive week in sail mail today. (In my best I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what the audience for that site is.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[ database table sql ] Van wrote: Michael Meltzer wrote: thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of interactive week in sail mail today. (In my best I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what the audience

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:17:31AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: I think I've made it clear that I'm not enamored of NuSphere's recent actions, which I think are remarkably bone-headed. At I'm afraid the emotions aroused by recent events have stripped away my thin veneer of reasonable civility

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Michael Meltzer
something to read in the restroom. MJM - Original Message - From: Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: mysql.org Michael Meltzer wrote: thought the list might want to know, this has been picked

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Werner Stuerenburg
Absolutely great! You are so keen and brave - I wouldn't dare to and some others obviously neither! We need people who calm things down to make negotiations and an agreement possible, that's absolutely true, but we also need people to emphasize the frontiers to make a correct agreement possible

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Britt Johnston
MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread John Birrell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Martin Jeremic
First, I support mySQL and Open Source community. Maybe you can fight them with their own weapon. They have made some extra applications based on mySQL, and they sell it. You can create same applications as Open Source. -

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:10:20AM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: It seems to me that the bottom line is that any outcome that results in there being a fork in the development of MySQL (with the result being two completely different types of MySQL), or in NuSphere retaining control of the

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. Nah There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. The should have released their GPLed extentions on

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Marten Mickos
Dear folks at NuSphere, Thank you for your response to our open invitation. We disagree with a number of your statements, but we look forward to having a phone contact with you on Friday. Marten Mickos (database,sql,query,table)

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Sander Pilon
the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. Nah There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. The should have released their GPLed extentions

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Fact MYSQL owns their trademark Fact, what NuShpere brought form MYSQL is irrelevant as loing as they are infrringing on the MYSQL Trademark...and they were going to do WORSE until the public heat. Until they apologies fo the GPL violation, and then the Trademark infringment, they are pound

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread G. Lovén
At 21:28 01-07-19, you wrote: the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. Nah There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. The should

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread John Jacques
Thomas J Keller wrote: The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that someone needs to offer the following observations: It is unfortunate that so many people within this community are so eager to assume the worst about a company, simply because they ARE a company. Not all

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Michael Meltzer
thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of interactive week in sail mail today. (In my best sarcastic voice)As they say in Hollywood Any Publicity is good as long as your spell the names right. Found a web version if any one wants a look.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
MYSQL.NET XMYSQL.COM MYSQLPHP.COM PHPMYSQL.COM MYSQL-PHP.COM MYSQLHOST.COM -S Aside from being incorrect about the process of tradmarking in the US and the ability to defend a trademark while awaiting registry, all these above websites are not claiming to be the official

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
As you are aware, we are forming a not-for-profit corporation to focus on building and supporting a larger MySQL development community and promoting MySQL. The mysql.org domain is expected to be transferred to that organization. NuSphere has taken the lead and is covering the costs of forming

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Werner is correct in encouraging all to make up your own mind. And, it is always possible that Orwellian DoubleSpeak is an ingredient of these public statements and posturing. But, a great distinction must be made here, and not tie the idea of DoubleSpeak to a fear of manipulation, unless you,

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Michael Collins
It seems to me that the bottom line is that any outcome that results in there being a fork in the development of MySQL (with the result being two completely different types of MySQL), or in NuSphere retaining control of the mysql.org domain should be vehemently rejected by the MySQL

Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Van
Monty: You started MySQL as a database server derived from msql several years ago, and, you made it quick. You made it a bunch of other things, but, what's most important is that you made it quick. You made it stable. Quick is good. Stable is better. When both are paired, it's a pure win.

RE: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Simon Green
http://www.nusphere.org Is available to register but I don't now why you would what to ;o).? Simon -Original Message- From: Van [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 July 2001 10:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Britt Johnston
Re: Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress NuSphere accepts MySQL AB's invitation to discuss resolution of our business issues. NuSphere and MySQL AB have already spoken via phone and confirmed discussions will commence on Friday, July 20th. NuSphere would welcome a fresh approach by MySQL

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Laszlo G. Szijarto
fashion would be welcome. - Original Message - From: Britt Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: mysql.org Re: Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress NuSphere accepts MySQL AB's invitation to discuss

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
. - Original Message - From: Britt Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: mysql.org Re: Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress NuSphere accepts MySQL AB's invitation to discuss resolution of our

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Britt: I've read all of the posts regarding the controversy between MySQL AB and NuSphere. Not being a participant, I can't know all the details of your relationship with MySQL AB, so I can only judge this in light of my own dealings with them. Michael Widenius and David Axmark have always

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[permission to come aboard, sql database query table] Gerald R. Jensen wrote: I wouldn't be concerned about this being discussed here on the list. After all, we are talking about Open Source. Gerald Jensen - Right, Mr. Jensen. My historical bent takes me further. I

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-16 Thread btjones
I hate to differ with you here, John... but please check the following URL and notice the price tag on it -- http://www.redhat.com/products/software/linux/7-1_standard.html RedHat is betting on, correctly so, that users in general will not spend the time and effort to download over 100 meg of

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Sinisa Milivojevic
BAUMEISTER Alexandre writes: Michael, It's years now that I use Mysql, post/read the mailing list, try to help you solving bugs, testing new features (like InnoDB currently). Why ? Because I really like Mysql, GPL licence and the way you work ! What NuLsphere is doing is

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Hi, Sorry.. can't keep my mouth shut.. A few comments on the legal matter: GPL has been spoken about more then enough here.. Trademark: If no license or agreement exists which allows nusphere to use MYSQL AB's trademark it's probably illegal. One could think of situations where it might be

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Farnsworth Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:56 AM Hassan: I respectfully disagree with your suggestion that such a site would spread confusion and give discredit to MySQL. I think it is a

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
Guus, Thanks for your good suggestions. Some clarifications below. Guus Leeuw jr. wrote: From: Dipl.-Inf. Guus Leeuw jr. Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:21:32 +0200 -Original Message- From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] cut /cut serious Our interpretation is that

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Andy Woolley
I see one HUGE difference between these support sites and .net, in regards to .com: Every one but .net clearly state that this is a product of MySQL AB, tell people about and make very explicit links mysql.com. The impression I get from the .org site, is that they are promoting a product

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
Andy, a clarification below Andy Woolley wrote: I see one HUGE difference between these support sites and .net, in regards to .com: Every one but .net clearly state that this is a product of MySQL AB, tell people about and make very explicit links mysql.com. The impression I get

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Just to clarify the U.S. trademark point raised here ... The fact that it is in the mail, in progress, or whatever is really immaterial. It is not at all unusual for the formal application for trademarks, service marks, patents, copyrights, etc. to come months or even years after the product's

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert Alexander
Monty et al and fellow list people, I've been following this thread with interest for the last couple days, have read all the postings (unfortunate flames included), and my opinion has generally been: well, there's been an unfortunate break down in communication between MySQL and NuSphere,

re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Thomas J Keller
Well, I have gone and looked more closely at mysql.org. I am forced to confess that I find several disheartening features at this site. I am unwilling at this juncture to typify these issues as deliberate or ill-intentioned, but I will say that NuSphere needs to make a concerted, immediate

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
1) While they do point out that they are not affliated, and provide a link to MySQL AB, they do not state why this is relevant, or why someone might WANT to go to MySQL AB. Hmmm.. The NuSphere people may not be saying very much on this list, but they're certainly listening in on what's

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert John Hall
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 07:59:14AM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: Thank you, Michael, for accidentally posting this. :) At 3:10 AM -0400 7/14/01, Britt Johnston wrote: Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Britt Johnston
Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my preference. I also will not get into a flame war, it is not in the best interest of mysql. I appreciate all the email I've received with advice and/or support - thanks. It is

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:10:34AM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my preference. I also will not get into a flame war, it is not in the best interest of mysql. I appreciate all

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Jeremy Zawodny wrote: [== snip, snip ==] Jeremy: You should be complimented for giving us a measured and rational posting on this potentially emotional issue. And also, it is good that Britt has clearly stated his understanding, though perhaps a bit too late to have prevented one of those

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
Justin, I very much agree with your compliment to Jeremy for his posting. Some notes on your posting follow. At 14/07/01 14:03 +0200, Justin wrote: Personally, I could care less about the mysql.org domain issue. I, more or less, see it just as another kind of ex-officio site supporting some

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread David Axmark
Britt == Britt Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Monty is travelling for 30 hours or so (from Australia) I will answer this. Britt Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue Britt needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my Britt preference. I also will

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
David Axmark wrote: Britt == Britt Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Monty is travelling for 30 hours or so (from Australia) I will answer this. [== snip, snip ==] WOW! Does everyone realize what is going on here? I don't know, I consider this stuff historic. Perhaps, at least

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Van
Britt Johnston wrote: As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty and David. I discussed this with Monty as recently as a few weeks ago

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Alright. I have received Mr. Johnson's permission to share the email response he made to me. it is included herewith for informational purposes without comment or prejudice: cut here NOTE: personal opening comments removed for brevity mysql.org has not been publically

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I feel I have to come with the following comments. (The quoted text marked with is by Britt Johnston) mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take some time for it to become the thriving community it is

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Marten Mickos wrote: In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I feel I have to come with the following comments. (The quoted text marked with is by Britt Johnston) mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take some time for it to become the

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
This is very interesting, this Open Source Legal Resolution ;-) Indeed it is. The thing I find most interesting, and a bit scary, is the way people seem to pick sides. For example - vermin, scum, obscure, are just a few of the words recently used to describe the likes of NuSphere.

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that someone needs to offer the following observations: It is unfortunate that so many people within this community are so eager to assume the worst about a company, simply because they ARE a company. Not all corporations are Mickey$lu$h

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
Thomas, thanks for your suggestions. A few clarifications below. Thomas J Keller wrote: Marten Mickos wrote: In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I feel I have to come with the following comments. (The quoted text marked with is by Britt Johnston)

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Dipl.-Inf. Guus Leeuw jr.
-Original Message- From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] cut /cut serious Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, the operation by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. Then, Marten, tell us what the status is of the

Re: mysql.org - an extra 2 cents

2001-07-14 Thread Joel Nelson
Regarding the recent thread on NuSphere. ( Jeapardy style so you don't have to read it again) GPL violation or not, part of my decisions are always based on morals (hard to find these days). Anyone trying to capture an audience using anothers name is un-ethical and un-moral. My business

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread portasio
community, open source, gpl, tld's.. these are long, long discussions, some pertinent, though not to this valuable list. i've read many opinions, respect some, but these are for lawyers, not hackers (in linus' sense of the word). nevertheless, there is a message for us nerds: let's keep it

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
-Original Message- From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] cut /cut serious Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, the operation by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. Then, Marten, tell us what the status

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread hassan el forkani
First: take it to court. Potentially expensive, and probably not good for public relations for either party probably the only sentence that makes sense in this affaire from a mysql user point of view, nusphere's move is completely amateur i can't see any intelligent motivation for it, the

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
hassan el forkani wrote: First: take it to court. Potentially expensive, and probably not good for public relations for either party probably the only sentence that makes sense in this affaire from a mysql user point of view, nusphere's move is completely amateur i can't see any

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
Reposting because of annoying filter. On 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your message cannot be posted because it appears to be either spam or simply off topic to our filter. To bypass the filter you must include one of the following words in your message: database,sql,query,table

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Santi Chumbe
Dear MySQL team, My University was considering to buy a number of licences of the enhanced MySQL(tm) from Nusphere. However, now, we all the University IT staff (managers, developers, designers, etc.) have decided to strongly go up against any commercial contact with such a robber company called

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Joel Hughes
Can't we pull the mysql.org domain from under them? Surely this breaches domain name usage? joel -Original Message- From: Michael Widenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 July 2001 06:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mysql.org Hi! Enhanced MySQL(tm) is as

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread PeterWR
at www.mysql.com (or something like that) ... and by that make it clear to newcomers, that there are something to be aware of. Best regards Peter - Original Message - From: Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PeterWR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Kevin Smith
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: RE: mysql.org Can't we pull the mysql.org domain from under them? Surely this breaches domain name usage? joel -Original Message- From: Michael Widenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 July 2001 06

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Christopher Thorpe
://genomebiology.com/ -Original Message- From: Gerry Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:15 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mysql.org Monty and all at MySQL, I am

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Van
PeterWR wrote: Hi Van, I have no experience with Progress software. Once, Progress must have seen their approach as the right way. That they sonner or later see a need to change, does not approved the way it is done. In short term, the clients for the NuSphere are already familiar

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Monty: I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org. The purchase order went into the round file, and Hell will freeze over before I buy

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
, 2001 7:15 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mysql.org Monty and all at MySQL, I am sorry to hear about this most unfortunate situation. It is sad to see that NuSphere have taken it upon themselves

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Gerald R. Jensen wrote: Monty: I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org. The purchase order went into the round file, and

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Gerald Jensen
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:49 AM To: Gerald R. Jensen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org Gerald R. Jensen wrote: Monty: I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, The article mentions that the Web site will confuse new users, but I think this one will confuse them even more: http://mysql.net/ (for non-Japanese users that is). Korean, actually. -- Matthias Urlichs (being exceedingly helpful today)

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! Tim == Tim Endres [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone has any comments about how we at MySQL AB work as an open source company, please write to our CEO Marten Mickos via [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will welcome your suggestions. We are totally dependent on the trust of our users, as

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Paul DuBois
Well. It should be an interesting Open Source convention in San Diego later this month... database,sql,query,table -- Paul DuBois, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Sander Pilon
Hi! cut Sander I do not deny their claim on the trademark OR domain, but I am Sander somewhat unpleasantly surprised by the means they try to resolve Sander this matter, and the fact that nobody in a what I assume is an Sander internet-aware company like MySQL even considered

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread btjones
I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the package? And by that I can somewhat see why NuSphere is using the phrase

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! btjones == btjones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btjones I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that btjones NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes btjones with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the package? And by that I can somewhat see why

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread A. Clausen
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:36:08 -0700 I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes with MySQL AB's business

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
database,sql,query,table Now most of us in/using Open Source probably do not _really_ understand the meaning and ramifications of the GPL. We _think_ we know, and we certainly have a feeling about what the GPL means. Oh Bull Making a derived work from a GPL product and

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:44:43PM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: The article mentions that the Web site will confuse new users, but I think this one will confuse them even more: http://mysql.net/ So maybe mislead would have been a more precise word? -- Jeremy D. Zawodny, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-12 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
Sander Pilon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think all of us should send a letter to the people who appropriated the MySQL.org name. In my opinion, if MySQL AB wants this domain they should have the right to it. To me, it is a show of disrespect to the fine folks at MySQL AB and I am

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-12 Thread Sander Pilon
Sander Pilon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think all of us should send a letter to the people who appropriated the MySQL.org name. In my opinion, if MySQL AB wants this domain they should have the right to it. To me, it is a show of disrespect to the fine folks at MySQL

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:03:19AM +0200, Sander Pilon wrote: Rule number one on the internet: If you have a trademark, GET THE .COM, .NET, .ORG, .CC and .CX ASAP!!! The fine folks at MySQL ignored that rule, and are now left with a rotten situation. IMHO, their own fault - and the way

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Tim Endres
If anyone has any comments about how we at MySQL AB work as an open source company, please write to our CEO Marten Mickos via [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will welcome your suggestions. We are totally dependent on the trust of our users, as everything we do are open source, and we are trying

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread PeterWR
Hi Monty, When reading Your comments, I became very sorry for You and MySQL. With almost four years experience on MySQL on Windows, I have had no problems of any kind. You and Your people are doing a great job both on the software and on the support - other major players could learn from MySQL

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Van
PeterWR wrote: Then you can start wondering why one software company wants to promote open source by using another companys software - why is the Progress database not good enough for NuSphere ??? Best regards Peter Copnehagen Denmark Peter: Have your ever worked with Progress?

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Gerry Sweeney
Monty and all at MySQL, I am sorry to hear about this most unfortunate situation. It is sad to see that NuSphere have taken it upon themselves to attempt to steal your intellectual property and try to benefit from all of the MySQL team's hard work. My company has been licensing using MySQL for