On Thursday 24 Jul 2003 11:53 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
Todd Slater wrote:
Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is
when the talk turns political and controversial?
The reason I jumped in to this particular thread was because I was not
prepared to let Anne be
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:00, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
Carroll, You MISSED the point!
The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people
(versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list
discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it)
It
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief
excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy filled life) :)
Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does
not go on this list.
The owners of the servers supporting this list, I
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 01:09, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
Curt Tresenriter wrote:
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
C Tresenriter wrote:
There's plenty of blame to go around.
Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into
On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400
ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make
brief excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy filled life) :)
Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or
does
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500
Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400
ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not
make brief excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy filled
Thanks for the common sense Todd,
There are probably few lists that do not delve into the OT arena.
(With exceptions for the rare dead, boring, dull lists)
On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500
Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24
Thanks for the common sense Todd,
There are probably few lists that do not delve into the OT arena.
(With exceptions for the rare dead, boring, dull lists)
On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500
Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24
On Thursday 24 July 2003 01:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is
when the talk turns political and controversial?
Probably for the same reason that I get a lot of flames when I post questions
about urpmi on political lists.
(A much
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 11:01 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote:
and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not
a crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 11:12 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
Harv Nelson wrote:
or should we have the right to own what we create just like
a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc...
Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person
to reap the greatest benefit
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 18:49, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 4:37 pm, Harv Nelson wrote:
SNIP
I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately
latch on to some nickle-a-pop revision napster, etc. and make
it their own.
I wonder if there's a catch we don't
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
I can well believe it. I don't think anyone has come up with a
perfect system. My own solution is to put all politicians in a room
and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up
like weeds g
Anne
When humanity is
What does this have to do with MS or Linux for that matter?
Don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but Mark has generously
provided server space for REALLY OTs; so why do so many insist on
wasting newbie server space and bandwidth of those who have no interest
in off topic discussions?
I
Anders, I AGREE!
By the way, could you post your address and leave your house keys under the
front door mat to make my borrowing easier?
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 09:41 am, Anders Lind wrote:
When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
and do so without
Because trying to live life believing and what we believe, do, etc. can be
put in a box and some how separated from everything else is part of the
reason the world is in such a mess. It is IMPOSSIBLE to completely isolate
ethics from business (or ANY aspect of life).
Situational ethics, or
When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.
But those initial 10
In spite of the resistance to move this topic to the proper forum, that's where you'll
find my reply if you're interested.
If not, enjoy the linux topics.
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
snip
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief
excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy filled life) :)
Whoa, tiger. You're way off base. Who chose you to define the
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:02:49 -0400
Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
snip
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make
brief excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy
Carroll, You MISSED the point!
The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people
(versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list
discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it)
It seems odd to me that you could miss such an obvious point, as just the
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:00 pm, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
Carroll, You MISSED the point!
The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people
(versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list
discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it)
rikona wrote:
Hello Erylon,
Sunday, July 20, 2003, 5:40:56 PM, you wrote:
EH I haven't seen a single pc in the past couple of years that
EH actually came with a real install disk.
I buy only from small local dealers who will supply a real install
disk. The service I have had from these people
Hey,
complete is complete,
Don't knock it.. :-)
rgds
Franki
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robin
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 4:28 PM
To: newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
rikona wrote:
Bigger
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:49:49 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
All pirated, of course ...
but...what *is* pirated...did Photoshop invent *everything* that goes
into their product?
Like Disney, they whinge about IP, but 90% of their movies are not
original at all!
Information must be
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:48:28 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
if you work 40 hours/week or more on something, don't you expect
to get paid?
for me, that's a *big* if! :))) but of course, for my time and effort,
not for my info. Trying to cage info is like trying to hogtie a snake.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:20:12 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
So how do you pay a programmer for his time and effots?
er, by the hour? or on a per-project basis, or contract, I dunno.
I don't know payroll! All I know is, it is impossible to make
information a commodity, at least
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 12:44 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:49:49 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
All pirated, of course ...
but...what *is* pirated...did Photoshop invent *everything* that
goes into their product?
Like Disney, they whinge about IP, but 90% of their
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:32 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:20:12 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
So how do you pay a programmer for his time and effots?
er, by the hour? or on a per-project basis, or contract, I dunno.
I don't know payroll! All I know is, it is
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:01 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:48:28 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
if you work 40 hours/week or more on something, don't you expect
to get paid?
for me, that's a *big* if! :))) but of course, for my time and
effort, not for my info.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
The result of a
programmer's work is *not* information,
Really? Looks like bits and bytes to me, but then I am no programmer.
The programmer is being paid for his/her efforts and time, in the end.
Whether he or she
be done for your genitical profile
:-)
regards
Franki
htmlfixit.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:33:21 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of
the spectrum..
no, no, no, you are misunderstanding me.
so you are saying that any creative works that is not a painting
or sculture or other (real world item) has
:-)
regards
Franki
htmlfixit.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL
If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the
right to
charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours
and hours
writing it.
Which you have with the GPL although you cannot demand it, BUT
I do agree in the sense that programmer has the right to use whichever
license
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:37:43 -0500
Harv Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to
reap the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. Rather, the
distributor of the creative work usually reaps an undue reward ...
RIAA, auction
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just
that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract. It
seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't
convinced.
can be done for your genitical profile
:-)
regards
Franki
htmlfixit.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just
that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract. It
seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't
convinced.
PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:33:21 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of
the spectrum..
no, no, no, you are misunderstanding me.
so you are saying that any creative works
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 5:12 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's
just that they think they'll never get anywhere without the
contract. It seems to be an ideal answer,
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:38:01 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
big huge point-missing whack
look, I am not looking for a showdown on what is information. That has
been an ongoing debate for decades and will continue no doubt.
My point has a very narrow focus, a legal one, on which I am
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote:
and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not a
crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL!
Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next.
I've just come back from Russia. You should hear
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post
next.
I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people
there think about communism.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post
next.
Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me?
I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people
there think about
htmlfixit.com
PS, hopefully Joe has filtered me, so if no-one responds to
this, he will never know
I sent it.. so please don't :-)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne
Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 3:09 AM
To: newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 9:18 pm, JoeHill wrote:
[...]
No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have
gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend.
You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of
situation.
So, fuck off.
Wow, you
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Anyway, enough of this rubbish..
If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will
never forgive me..
Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne brought it back on,
and here you are continuing it.
Hello JoeHill,
Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 9:06:26 AM, you wrote:
J This is what frightens the RIAA so very much, their whole business
J is based on promotion and distribution.
Yep. This is how I am doing my protesting. I do NOT buy any music from
the 'biggies' any more. It has turned out quite
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:18 pm, JoeHill wrote:
No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have
gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend.
You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of
situation.
So, fuck off.
ok, so now i
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400
crak600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response
as you just gave to anne, do it offlist as to not clog everyone
else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt
my feelings or make me bitter
Frankie wrote:
Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless?
because the same can be done for your genitical profile
:-)
Bad analogy. I didn't design my own genes.
Sir Robin
--
A strategy is still being formulated.
Robin Turner
IDMYO
Bilkent Univeritesi
Ankara 06533
Turkey
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post
next.
I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people
there think about
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:55 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Anyway, enough of this rubbish..
If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will
never forgive me..
Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:55:53 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400
crak600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response
as you just gave to anne, do it offlist as to not clog everyone
else's mailboxes
Hi All
Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that pasions
are inflamed beyond tolerance.
Oh well I guess that is why the linux gods created email filters.
Lets see now.
Open Settings
Open Configure Filters
Set Filter
Apply
Rudeness problem disappeared.
Want to
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:18:31 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post
next.
Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me?
I've
JoeHill wrote:
agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating
on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and
belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy.
Anne's argument was not exactly cogent, and it was, IMHO, hijacking a
Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that pasions
are inflamed beyond tolerance.
Oh well I guess that is why the linux gods created email filters.
Lets see now.
Open Settings
Open Configure Filters
Set Filter
Apply
Rudeness
Ouch! Nice one there! Way to go Brant! ( TeeHee! ). You Da Man!
Lanman
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On 7/22/2003 at 10:28 PM Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that
pasions
are inflamed
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400
Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the
problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk
insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below
his
There's plenty of blame to go around.
It takes two to tango.
It's just like politics... the Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats
blame Republicans.
The truth, I think lies somewhere in between.
At 11:42 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400
Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:12 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
Harv Nelson wrote:
or should we have the right to own what we create just like
a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc...
Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to reap
the greatest benefit
Good God.
I finally get a chance to get back on for a while and this is the first
thing I see.
John Rigby was a saint compared to this troll.
--LX
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:42, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400
Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
That may work
C Tresenriter wrote:
There's plenty of blame to go around.
Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into
verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong
with out attacking them personally. That is when it crosses the line.
It takes two to
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
C Tresenriter wrote:
There's plenty of blame to go around.
Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into
verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong
with out attacking them
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:42 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400
Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the
problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk
insulting everyone when they
Curt Tresenriter wrote:
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
C Tresenriter wrote:
There's plenty of blame to go around.
Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into
verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:40:56 -0700
Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I hate MS as much as the next guy (I don't run it at all
at home,
although it is available via dual boot), but this is
really the fault
of the pc maker
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/20/0148207
un-fscking-believable...
--
Joehill
Registered Linux user #282046
++
Loneliness is a terrible price to pay for independence.
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
I hate MS as much as the next guy (I don't run it at all at home, although it
is available via dual boot), but this is really the fault of the pc
maker/distributors. I haven't seen a single pc in the past couple of years
that actually came with a real install disk. Every one has a recovery
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:40:56 -0700
Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I hate MS as much as the next guy (I don't run it at all at home,
although it is available via dual boot), but this is really the fault
of the pc maker/distributors. I haven't seen a single pc in the past
couple of
On July 20, 2003 04:55 pm, JoeHill wrote:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/20/0148207
un-fscking-believable...
When you consider the source, not particularly. You see some bone headed
hardware manufacturer thinks you'll always want to use XP and only XP for as
long as you live.
On Sunday 20 July 2003 20:40, Erylon Hines wrote:
I hate MS as much as the next guy (I don't run it at all at home, although
it is available via dual boot), but this is really the fault of the pc
maker/distributors. I haven't seen a single pc in the past couple of years
that actually came
On Sunday 20 July 2003 04:55 pm, JoeHill wrote:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/20/0148207
un-fscking-believable...
Probably as much Toshiba as Micro$ux cutting costs as usual.
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:50:00 -0400
Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
BTW, whenever you hear the term customer service, remember that
service is what the bull does to the cow.
No wonder, last time I went to Best Buy, my ass hurt for a week!
--
Joehill
Registered Linux user #282046
On Sunday 20 July 2003 08:44 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:40:56 -0700
Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I hate MS as much as the next guy (I don't run it at all at home,
although it is available via dual boot), but this is really the fault
of the pc maker/distributors.
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