Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-26 Thread gregg
Chris Ilias writes: > > On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: > > That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it > > gone be daxxxed. > > Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, > you've spread a lot of misinformation about developer

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-07 Thread Jay Garcia
On 07.07.2011 01:01, Chris Ilias wrote: --- Original Message --- > On 11-07-07 1:13 AM, Rufus wrote: >> MCBastos wrote: > > Guys, the gist of this discussion has been > "You don't understand..." > "No, /you/ don't understand..." > "No, it's you that doesn't understand..." > > The discussion ha

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-07-07 1:13 AM, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Guys, the gist of this discussion has been "You don't understand..." "No, /you/ don't understand..." "No, it's you that doesn't understand..." The discussion has gone nowhere and has gone on way too long. If you care to continue it, please tak

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another o

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 06/07/2011 19:03, Rufus told the world: No. You just don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying "bring Mozilla to iOS". I'm saying it's not "impossible" to duplicate the SM experience using WebKit. For a given, very particular, very limited d

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering e

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 06/07/2011 19:03, Rufus told the world: > No. You just don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying > "bring Mozilla to iOS". I'm saying it's not "impossible" to duplicate > the SM experience using WebKit. For a given, very particular, very limited definition of

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Rufus
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:07:23 -0700, /Rufus/: The premise that Apple "won't allow" is simply false - period. The you don't want to swim in their pool?..fine. Just say so. But It's not "impossible". Just flat not. Sounds like you're saying: "teleportation is not impossibl

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov
Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:07:23 -0700, /Rufus/: The premise that Apple "won't allow" is simply false - period. The you don't want to swim in their pool?..fine. Just say so. But It's not "impossible". Just flat not. Sounds like you're saying: "teleportation is not impossible (given enough man years

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread km
Bill Davidsen wrote: chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now m

Re: Some of topic: Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Actually, 2.3 might be something I could be interested in. Maybe. Too many things are changing in the Mac world at once... My big fear remains the Lion OS, it's "iOS-like" full screen app implementation (which I hope I can turn off, or find a hack to turn off)

Some of topic: Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread PhillipJones
Rufus wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the w

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on something else

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end. Rober

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on something else due to resourc

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on something else due to resource constraints (and j

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end. Robert Kaiser -- Note th

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Lee wrote: On 7/4/11, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari brow

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Lee wrote: On 7/4/11, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari brow

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Lee
On 7/4/11, Rufus wrote: > Philip Chee wrote: >> On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: >> >>> No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a >>> search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers >>> that *directly* compete with Apples Safari b

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 04/07/2011 18:16, Rufus told the world: I do fully understand that in the case of SM I'm talking about a *brand new* product - that certainly isn't "impossible" or "not allowed", and there are a whole host of non-Apple branded browsing apps on Apples store

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 04/07/2011 18:16, Rufus told the world: > I do fully understand that in the case of SM I'm talking about a *brand > new* product - that certainly isn't "impossible" or "not allowed", and > there are a whole host of non-Apple branded browsing apps on Apples > store ranging

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser.

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread PhillipJones
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even fou

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another on

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: > No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a > search on "browser" - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers > that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even > found another one that I li

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things lik

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then th

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
cyberzen wrote: MCBastos a écrit : Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are close

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a co

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I als

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code yo

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread NoOp
On 06/20/2011 01:06 PM, James E. Morrow wrote: > Robert Kaiser wrote: ... >> I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel >> good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can >> do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-) >> >> Robert Kaiser >> > > As one who has

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things lik

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread chicagofan
James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things like "A beta user

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-20 Thread James E. Morrow
Robert Kaiser wrote: Michael Hannon schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Who's in charge now? The collective of the SeaMonkey Council (of which I'm remaining a part, but just as one of mul

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-20 Thread cyberzen
MCBastos a écrit : Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are closely-spaced 16px ic

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Rufus
Keith Whaley wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
Keith Whaley wrote: Nice analogy, MC... keith whaley MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference i

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:00 AM, Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* produ

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 6/19/2011 12:00 AM, Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and i

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set "as implemented" within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and interface specifications - no

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I als

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I also realize this m

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do i

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. So then you have no right to want anything their app store doesn'

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Philip Chee
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > d...@kd4e.com wrote: > >>> If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko >>> browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply >>> not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If th

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Philip Chee
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:55:15 -0400, PhillipJones wrote: >> If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko >> browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply >> not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was >> interest, somebody wou

Re: Midori on Apple Devices? [Was: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever]

2011-06-18 Thread d...@kd4e.com
>> MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:34, d...@kd4e.com told the world: How does Midori, which ID's as Safari, fit in the mix? I don't have any personal experience with Midori, but I understand from the website that it depends on a separate standard installation of Webkit, in

Re: Midori on Apple Devices? [Was: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever]

2011-06-18 Thread d...@kd4e.com
>>Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it --

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. So then you have no right to want anything their app store doesn't provide. They don't

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic bro

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to writ

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free softw

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:34, d...@kd4e.com told the world: How does Midori, which ID's as Safari, fit in the mix? I don't have any personal experience with Midori, but I understand from the website that it depends on a separate standard installation of Webkit, instead of bundling

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:55, PhillipJones told the world: You do know Apple is now selling Unlocked iPhones Just announced last week. "Unlocked" means "not tied to a phone carrier." But it is still tied to the Apple store, and subject to Apple's rules. It's not factory-jailbroken.

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread d...@kd4e.com
If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software, after all. How d

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread PhillipJones
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-li

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I don't have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months. The improve, is in all aspects, we don't intend to break your experiences/learned habits there where pos

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread PhillipJones
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to writ

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rick Merrill
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to writ

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to write. The fact th

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far mo

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than S

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 22:44, Rufus told the world: That's simply not true. I have the Atomic browser installed on my iPad and like it...and there are others. Atomic is not a full browser either. It does not include its own rendering engine, but uses the iOS Safari o

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 22:44, Rufus told the world: That's simply not true. I have the Atomic browser installed on my iPad and like it...and there are others. Atomic is not a full browser either. It does not include its own rendering engine, but uses the iOS Safari one. Essentially

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 15/06/2011 22:41, Rufus told the world: ...OTOH, having bought an iPad recently is rapidly changing my work flow/habits re: browsing Usenet and surfing the web - I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad, but it doesn't operate wi

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad You know that Opera Mobile is not a browser and actually send everything you type in there to a central Opera server (and I'd guess that they try to market the data they're collecting there

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
d...@kd4e.com schrieb: So one goes from the Apple-control freaks to the Google careless- security and spy-on-you-privacy freaks. Should we look to Palm for hope? Good joke. Well, HP in that case nowadays, but still. The only bet is to try and get some mobile vendor to go and actually ship so

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Michael Hannon schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Who's in charge now? The collective of the SeaMonkey Council (of which I'm remaining a part, but just as one of multiple people, not as

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread d...@kd4e.com
So one goes from the Apple-control freaks to the Google careless- security and spy-on-you-privacy freaks. Should we look to Palm for hope? That "users don't need freedom of choice, father knows best" attitude is why, after careful evaluation, I chose to stay away from iOS. I'm very happy with m

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Michael Hannon
Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Robert Kaiser Who's in charge now? I'm sorry to hear you've stopped running the project. Thanks for your work on the browser over the past few years (not to men

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are closely-spaced 16px icons. It's not that

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 15/06/2011 22:41, Rufus told the world: ...OTOH, having bought an iPad recently is rapidly changing my work flow/habits re: browsing Usenet and surfing the web - I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad, but it doesn't operate with Mail/News in t

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad You know that Opera Mobile is not a browser and actually send everything you type in there to a central Opera server (and I'd guess that they try to market the data they're collecting there - I would if I woul

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
PhillipJones schrieb: Answer me a Question. How many features have we users begged and plead for developers to keep and they were removed anyway? Fewer than the other way round. And the totally skewed sample of people here in this newsgroup is only a tiny piece of the overall user base. In a

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread cyberzen
MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mo

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote: Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until 2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1, and

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and sm

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
Bill Davidsen wrote: Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I don't have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months. The improve, is in all aspects, we don't intend to break your experiences/learned habits there where possible. But don't fear I don'

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread PhillipJones
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user do use it, it gone be daxxxed. Thanks for confirming one of the reasons why I don't want to be in the lead of this project in the future - crap like that being spread by clueless trolls

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Robert Kaiser
PhillipJones schrieb: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Thanks for confirming one of the reasons why I don't want to be in the lead of this project in the future - crap like that being spread by clueless trolls e.g. here. Robert Kaiser

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
WLS wrote: cyberzen wrote: WLS a écrit : William DeCoster wrote: Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying "Features" Pop Up anoun

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
WLS wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/12/2011 3:46 PM, WLS wrote: The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite. You are part right, there has not been much work on Composer from the SeaMonkey team. Thi

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread PhillipJones
Bill Davidsen wrote: WLS wrote: William DeCoster wrote: Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying "Features" Pop Up anouncements an

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/12/2011 3:46 PM, WLS wrote: The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite. You are part right, there has not been much work on Composer from the SeaMonkey team. This is however

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
WLS wrote: William DeCoster wrote: Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying "Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folde

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote: Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until 2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1, and of wider varieties...a

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: So far, SM 2.1 has generated the largest number of problems/user complaints I've ever read here regarding any version/release...and it's only been a week or so. Then you haven't been around much. I actually think the amount is pretty low compared to 2.0 ;-)

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Jan-Galt wrote: Rufus wrote : William DeCoster wrote: Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic does delete ok, Never an issue

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
PhillipJones wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 23:31, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj told the world: I don't bother memorizing most passwords (e-mail, websites and such) -- the unimportant ones I trust to Seamonkey, the middling-important ones I save in KeePass. But the ones I do mak

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: Jan-Galt wrote: [...snip...] I already was garnering the impression that I wouldn't want to upgrade to this version just due to some of the structural changes in it that I've been reading about here, now I'm *convinced* I don't even want to take it for a test drive on one of my l

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rufus wrote: [...snip...] I've seen a quite a few positive comments, too, but I can't speak from experience as I haven't installed it. For now, I'm sitting back and reading, as I usually do, and will decide once I think I have enough information. There

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-14 Thread PhillipJones
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: That figures. Your not old enough to have problems remembering things. As you get older you capacity to remember things gets less and less. Not because of Dementia. But because your brain is constantly bombarded with pieces of information to learn an

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Gordon
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/06/2011 10:09, Jay Garcia told the world: Composer, since it's very beginning was never intended to be the all-powerful editor for the most savvy, web-design commercial type users but rather a simple built-in editor for those users with simple personal w

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