Re: [Talk-ca] mapping Ottawa light rail stations.

2020-11-25 Thread John Whelan
It looks like the entrances railway=subway_entrance  have been mapped but the optional name tag hasn't been added in all cases.  Without the name OSMAND struggles to find them.  Parliament subway entrance for example is searchable. If someone is passing (Danny?) could they add the names to

Re: [Talk-ca] mapping Ottawa light rail stations.

2020-11-24 Thread John Whelan
, but it's been flagged as a "nice to have" On Tue., Nov. 24, 2020, 7:22 p.m. John Whelan, <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: Today I wanted to use OSMAND+ to work out the by foot from Lyon station to 60 Cambridge street.  There are two entrances / exits t

[Talk-ca] mapping Ottawa light rail stations.

2020-11-24 Thread John Whelan
Today I wanted to use OSMAND+ to work out the by foot from Lyon station to 60 Cambridge street.  There are two entrances / exits to the station and I wanted to leave by a particular exit.  The most westerly one. The route suggested by OSMAND+ was at first glance bizarre but looking more

Re: [Talk-ca] How is protect_class used in Canada?

2020-11-16 Thread john whelan
>I am guessing that some or all of the categories on that list under class 7 can simply be deleted. Have you attempted to contact the original mappers? We have a few mappers in Canada who have been mapping for more than ten years. John On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 23:28 Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:

Re: [Talk-ca] York Region Building Import

2020-10-06 Thread john whelan
_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings > > > > > > *From:* John Whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 09:25 > *To:* Daniel @jfd553 > *Cc:* Andrew Deng; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] York Region Building Import > > > > A

Re: [Talk-ca] York Region Building Import

2020-10-06 Thread John Whelan
buildings and related features. Best regards [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings *From:*john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2020 22:55 *To:* Andrew Deng *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] York

Re: [Talk-ca] York Region Building Import

2020-10-05 Thread john whelan
There are two sources of buildings to import one is Bing the other is the stat Canada licensed one. Both have the correct license for OSM. If you are going after the stat can one then there was an import plan drawn up for Canada and that is in the wiki. I suggest if you use the stat can import

Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal to tag Yonge Street in Toronto and York Region as Primary

2020-07-17 Thread john whelan
What Jarek says makes sense to me. I suspect many of the map users don't live where the use the map. Having said that could we come up with something that could be applied across Canada or is that too much to ask for? Thanks John On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 22:39 Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Thu,

Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

2020-06-16 Thread john whelan
I think you can use it to see where to look. If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo floating around I think it is fair game. Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open

[Talk-ca] Missing maps in Canada from weeklyosm

2020-04-19 Thread John Whelan
Which sort of ties into the building import side of things as there was mention at the start of the project that for many remote communities the building data would be valuable. https://www.missingmaps.org/blog/2020/03/31/a-year-of-blogs/ To me I think missing maps implies mapathons and

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

2020-04-03 Thread john whelan
One of the nice things about the disabled community is we get a fair amount of data either from them or by people supporting them. As Clifford mentioned this sort of thing is useful to them and as I grow older this sort of information is unfortunately getting more useful to myself. Universities

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

2020-04-03 Thread John Whelan
Since it is dependent on municipal bylaws then I think it should be explicitly tagged. Cheerio John Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais wrote on 2020-04-03 2:05 PM: The reason why we were asked to add them is for pedestrian security assessment and urban planning. When all sidewalks and crossing are

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

2020-04-03 Thread John Whelan
I'd recommend bicycle=no and I live in Ottawa.  In Ottawa footpaths that connect in general are bicycle=yes as they come under municipal regulation but a sidewalk on a highway comes under provincial legislation which bans bicycles on sidewalks.  Sparks street is fun I think you are not

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

2020-03-28 Thread john whelan
It might be worthwhile highlighting those that do not have a postcode or are tagged name=Canada Post. Useful locally as I hadn't checked the ones I know of had been mapped nor that their details were correct. I did note one address was wrong, the post office had moved from one side of the street

Re: [Talk-ca] James work on Task Manager

2020-02-24 Thread John Whelan
From memory you're based in Cobourg and Port Hope in Ontario.   Squamish is in BC so may not be local to you. The Ottawa cycle club did some mapping in OSM https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide you may find this useful. Task manager is better suited to imports and to

Re: [Talk-ca] James work on Task Manager

2020-02-24 Thread john whelan
Are you simply asking for a task to be set up or something else? James currently is looking at the data to import then resizing the squares to better fit the task. I don't think there are any plans to import buildings in your local area. I seem to recall mapping a thousand or so manually in

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-25 Thread john whelan
We should start somewhere so yes it would be fun. Thanks John On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 3:15 PM Daniel @jfd553, wrote: > Bonjour groupe, > > The pre-processing procedure has been tested for the Squamish (BC) area. > Squamish has a small number of buildings (6K) with a good Esri World > imagery

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-18 Thread john whelan
> Nate Wessel, PhD > Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd > NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> > On 2020-01-18 7:37 p.m., john whelan wrote: > > > But also - sorry this is such a long email - we certainly should not be > manually doing re-conflation where b

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-18 Thread john whelan via Talk-ca
> But also - sorry this is such a long email - we certainly should not be manually doing re-conflation where buildings are very dense (e.g. downtown Toronto) or where they have already been imported extensively (much of the rest of the GTA). The import plan I'm working on for Toronto will take

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-17 Thread john whelan
, ni regardé le connu des > fichiers de données Microsoft pour ces zones, mais la tâche ci-dessous > montre un processus de validation où il était demandé d'orthogonaliser les > bâtiments. > https://tasks.openstreetmap.us/project/164#bottom > > Pierre > > > Le vendredi 17

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-17 Thread john whelan
objects. > Pretty interesting project, but different from OSM. > > Cheers, > Tim > > On 2020-01-17 10:40, john whelan wrote: > >first, to add missing buildings (if it were > just for this purpose we could also use the much bigger Microsoft > dataset) > > I can'

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-17 Thread john whelan
>first, to add missing buildings (if it were just for this purpose we could also use the much bigger Microsoft dataset) I can't resist. Does this infer that for parts of the country without Stat Can data we are happy to import Microsoft dataset buildings as is? Or would we wish to wait until we

Re: [Talk-ca] Building tags in Canada

2020-01-16 Thread john whelan
is often difficult to determine. but probably it needs a sort of low hanging fruit section of what should be easy to tag. Thanks John On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 17:49, stevea wrote: > On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:37 PM, John Whelan wrote: > > Is there somewhere that offers guidelines on how to add a

[Talk-ca] Building tags in Canada

2020-01-16 Thread John Whelan
Part of the building import was the idea that once an outline was in place it could be tagged with more detail by someone with local knowledge. Sometimes some of this this information might be available from Mapillary. For example building=house rather than building=yes In Coburg there are a

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-16 Thread john whelan
My understanding is that is when we imported Ottawa we followed the normal process as detailed by Daniel and that seemed to work quite nicely. Cheerio John On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 2:57 PM Daniel @jfd553, wrote: > Hello Nate, > > I understand that you don’t like to see an import process that both

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-15 Thread John Whelan
I'll cross my fingers and hope it all comes together. Thanks John Tim Elrick wrote on 2020-01-15 5:18 PM: Hi all, I understand your concerns, John. However, many mappers might not follow talk-ca. So, I guess, Daniel's suggestion to contact them, might work better than waiting for them to

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-15 Thread john whelan
One concern I have at present is the lack of comments from what I would call more average mappers in smaller population areas. The conversation seems to be limited to two or three players. I'm not sure if this is because we lost momentum earlier or people now feel they have to have made more

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-15 Thread john whelan
I think we should have a list of ways to find local mappers. Ideally we start with Pascal Neis’ tool but then allow ourselves to reduce the bar to consider others perhaps with 9 changesets or less after two weeks after approaching the ideal mapper /mappers first. Do we have a target

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-05 Thread john whelan
tup. I > don't think we're close to setting up actual import tasks yet, though we do > seem to be on the road toward getting things sorted out :-) > > Nate Wessel, PhD > Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd > NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> > On 2020-01-05 12:20

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-05 Thread john whelan
I'm getting lost as to who is organising what and who is taking responsibility for defining and setting up the tasks and where they are being set up. Are your two examples of what can be done? Or are they to be used by mappers to add buildings? My understanding was Daniel would identify those

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-04 Thread john whelan
Daniel addressed this if you reread his email and proposal. Basically we look for local mappers first. If we don't find any we increase the distance for local. At the moment we are discussing the stats can sourced data. My feeling is let's get this import moving once more and to do that let's

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-03 Thread john whelan
at another time? -) > > > > Thanks > > Daniel > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2020 15:57 > *To:* Daniel @jfd553 > *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada > > > > So

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2020-01-03 Thread john whelan
Sounds sane to me. Are we thinking of setting up a second import to handle Microsoft building outlines on a similar basis? Or extending this one? I only ask since if we are doing it municipality by municipality it might be an idea to identify those municipalities that do not have suitable open

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread john whelan
on how you see the mass importation of > buildings. > > Happy holidays! > > Adam > > On Tue., Dec. 24, 2019, 7:36 p.m. Daniel @jfd553, > wrote: > >> Have a look at the wiki page I referred to. Further discussions will be >> more easy and focused >> &

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread John Whelan
-12-24 6:04 PM: Have a look at the wiki page I referred to. Further discussions will be more easy and focused Sent from Galaxy S7 *From:* John Whelan *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:50:29 PM *To:* James *Cc:* Daniel

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread John Whelan
I think the first problem to be addressed is the presence or absence of a local community. In the north we have few mappers but lots of interested agencies and people in seeing the buildings imported. Montreal I think is under control.  Toronto is in the process of sorting itself out but

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-03 Thread john whelan
Canadian Postal Codes in urban areas are blocks of roughly 50 buildings which makes them extremely interesting to use for GIS studies. Average income etc. Both in the UK and Canada many people would rather type in a 6 character code than a street address with city when looking for directions to

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread John Whelan
This isn't going to be pretty until Canada Post is persuaded to free the data. Call your MP, everybody. --Jarek On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 17:38, john whelan mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > " The number one r

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread John Whelan
and not an OSM problem per se. This isn't going to be pretty until Canada Post is persuaded to free the data. Call your MP, everybody. --Jarek On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 17:38, john whelan mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > " The number one request on ope

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
" The number one request on open.canada.ca is to open the postal code database. Feel free to add your vote. https://open.canada.ca/en/suggested-datasets; Cheerio John On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 13:32, john whelan wrote: > On the import mailing list there is a proposal to import p

[Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
On the import mailing list there is a proposal to import postcodes in the UK one of the reasons given was that many like to input a postcode to get directions on smartphones using things like OSMand. I don't think an Open Data source with the correct licensing is available in Canada but OSMand

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing building and routing info regionally/locally (Jonathan)

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
I was under the impression that most buildings in both Port Hope and Cobourg had been manually mapped. Now the outlines have been done it really needs boots on the ground to add detail. There are addresses from Canvec which give an address range so Stats might have something better but I'm not

[Talk-ca] Adding buildings.

2019-10-01 Thread john whelan
OpenStreetMap is highly decentralised which is both one of its strengths and also one of its weaknesses. There are a number of sources of building data, the first is an experienced mapper adding in buildings with something like JOSM and the buildings_tool plugin working from Microsoft imagery.

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-30 Thread John Whelan
I'm glad to see Toronto getting involved once more. The original idea for using Open Data to import buildings followed on from a group of Toronto mappers who imported address information for a new sub division that was not available in CANVEC from Stats Canada after very carefully checking

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-28 Thread John Whelan
My suggestion would be to amend and clean up the original import plan to split out the country into regions and have a regional coordinator for each region based on local input.  I'd also add in the two other data sources as alternative data sources. The reason for this approach is an amended

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-28 Thread John Whelan
And I totally agree.  Because the Stat Can data has come from many sources the data quality is variable to put it politely.  The Microsoft data has been shown in the US to also be of variable quality.  I'm not so sure about the NR Can LiDAR data hopefully it is at least consistent. If we look

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
Both your input and Nate's are useful in that at least they confirm my thoughts that there is little chance of moving forward on a Canada wide basis. Hopefully the Toronto mappers can sort something out for Toronto and the rest will follow in time. As a Toronto mapper, I'm happy to load

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
Piórkowski wrote on 2019-09-27 7:47 PM: On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 11:45, john whelan wrote: I do know that a number of departments and agencies would like to use buildings and although they can use the open data sources using OSM would be more convenient. Then you can encourage these agencies

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <http://www.natewessel.com> On 2019-09-27 11:44 a.m., john whelan wrote: From memory we have imported Ottawa's buildings under the correct license (Stat Can so the federal government's open data license) and the quality was deemed acceptable by the

[Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread john whelan
>From memory we have imported Ottawa's buildings under the correct license (Stat Can so the federal government's open data license) and the quality was deemed acceptable by the local mappers. Then we opened up a second import plan to import buildings and a fair number were imported. This

Re: [Talk-ca] Présentation à SotM2019 sur l'analyse des bâtiments

2019-09-24 Thread John Whelan
Where are we up to with imported buildings in Canada? I understood someone was looking at some routines to run on the data before import for Microsoft, Stats Canad and the Natural Resources Canada LiDAR data sources. Has that been done for Canada as a whole or are we at the point where

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-09-10 Thread john whelan
Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it. Cheerio John On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, < talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Cela semble bien préciser, mais les

Re: [Talk-ca] Removing "WikiProject" prefix

2019-07-20 Thread john whelan
Sounds wonderful, but that is a purely personal comment. Cheerio John On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 2:13 PM dcapillae, wrote: > Hi, > > I am Daniel, from Spain. I would like to change the name of the wiki > pages related to the Canada mapping project to remove the "Wikiproject" > prefix following the

Re: [Talk-ca] English and French translation required for some road names

2019-07-05 Thread John Whelan
In Ottawa highway names for the most part have both English and French.  name:fr rue Sparks, name:en Sparks street.  If only name is present it is the English version. Just to add confusion to your life.  There has also been a discussion about street names in Canada and I think the

Re: [Talk-ca] NRC building footprints - from lidar

2019-04-27 Thread John Whelan
Is it just Manitoba or all of Canada? In which case do we want to revise the building import project. Thanks John keith hartley wrote on 4/27/2019 9:56 AM: Hi all, Canadian Geomatics posted this data set a few months back from Natural Resource Canada. It's Building footprints from Lidar or

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-23 Thread john whelan
I'd check to see if it is included in the Stats Canada data first. If not then the buildings will be available in the Microsoft data which is correctly licensed. The open data licenses are a mine field. Stats is looking a releasing more municipal Open Data under the Federal Government license.

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-22 Thread john whelan
I believe Toronto has been waiting a couple of years for approval from the LWG to give you some idea of time frames. Cheerio John On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 18:05, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Welcome to OSM, and thank you for your contributions! > > To answer your first question: the

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-22 Thread john whelan
For building footprints there are two sources of open data that are correctly licensed. One is Microsoft's building footprints and the other is the Stat Can released data. The Stats Canada data is basically the municipal data released under the federal government's licence. I suggest you first

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-28 Thread john whelan
; > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:46 AM Begin Daniel wrote: > >> Buildings where there is no available municipal data >> >> Sent from Galaxy S7 >> >> -- >> *From:* John Whelan >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:32:32 AM >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-28 Thread John Whelan
e the Bing data looks nice? I found burbs in Winnipeg not bad, but there's some really weird elements when the source data is too simple (buildings in the middle of fields) or too complex (urban cores) > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 6:29 AM John Whelan wrote: > The Stats Canada data comes

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-27 Thread John Whelan
We have a history of using CANVEC data and importing that.  Daniel was very closely connected to the data.  In Ontario the ESRI tools are used in schools but they can be used with openstreetmap as the base map.   From a practical point of view developing a set of tools or process in the open

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-26 Thread john whelan
the last year or two. Hopefully there are > Alberta mappers on here who are much more active than I have been. > > Darren Wiebe > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:04 PM John Whelan wrote: > >> I think my concerns are to do with the "black box" approach. Knowing >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-26 Thread John Whelan
I think my concerns are to do with the "black box" approach.  Knowing your background I trust your work but others might not. On a technical side I get the impression that cites with buildings that are close to each other are problematical.  I assume that small locations with a population of

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Building Import

2019-03-21 Thread John Whelan
...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2019 14:30 *To:* John Whelan *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import I've specifically and repeatedly requested that the tasking manager be taken down while this project is reworked... though that doesn't pertain directly

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-21 Thread John Whelan
Nate are you requesting something specific on the Canadian task manager for Toronto at this time or would you prefer to look through Daniel's work first? Thanks Cheerio John Nate Wessel wrote on 2019-03-21 1:49 PM: Daniel, This is exciting news! After much talk on this list, it seems we

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
Go back to Ottawa and from the discussion we had there in Ontario it is the municipality that is the authority. >From memory years ago when OSM was mapped by cyclists taking photos of street names what was on the sign post was deemed correct. Unfortunately locally one street had three different

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-19 Thread John Whelan
Bonne chance John Begin Daniel wrote on 2019-03-19 2:14 PM: I expect Pierre, Tim and others to send me any data they believe would be problematic. If I send them my own test dataset, it may not cover the cases they are interested in. J Daniel *From:*john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
It would make logical sense to preprocess all the data but then you end up with two sources. The Open Data original and the preprocessed data source. >From a logical point of view it would make sense to use the Microsoft data to fill in the gaps. So add it into the preprocessed data. Then you

Re: [Talk-ca] Defining a local mapper group

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
challenge is how to cultivate and maintain local > mapper groups based on volunteer work. > > Jonathan Brown > > *From: *John Whelan > *Sent: *Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-c

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread john whelan
nities would like to go forward. > > What do you reckon? > > Tim > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_Building_Import > > > On 2019-03-15 14:01, John Whelan wrote: > Which I think comes back to defining the local mappers. > > There has been discussion on Mo

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
Which I think comes back to defining the local mappers. There has been discussion on Montreal as well and not all Ontario thinks the same way.  Ottawa local mappers for example have different opinions to Pierre and Nate on what is acceptable and I'm under the impression that not everyone in

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
I think there are two issues here the first is I accept having a large number of anything by one mapper has the potential for a systematic error. If the import is verified by a second mapper independently I assume this would be acceptable? The second is more to do with discussion within the

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-03-15 Thread john whelan
I'm of the opinion that what the city says goes. We used that in Ottawa with things such as rue Slater rather than Rue Slater which I understand is more normal in Quebec. Cheerio John On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:19 PM Jarek Piórkowski, wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 at 13:02, Nate Wessel wrote: >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
At the end of the day one would hope we are a community.  We are a large group with divergent opinions and to be honest there is a great deal of interest in non-mappers in this sort of data. For example building data is being used in Tanzania to work out the optimal areas for group solar

Re: [Talk-ca] Local groups as part of import plan

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
The problem is defining and contacting a local group.  Once defined then they can make the decision. I've seen as few as two people make a local group decision on an import before now although normally it is done over coffee. Also we get into who is a local mapper. Many people have an

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
or police a countrywide consensus, or even arrive at one. Maybe BC mappers like the import, square angles or no? (Does anyone go to the Metrotown Meetup?) --Jarek On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 19:36, john whelan wrote: Wicked lad importing without an import plan? Ask him nicely where the i

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-14 Thread john whelan
Wicked lad importing without an import plan? Ask him nicely where the import plan for their imports is. Looks like a new mapper so may not know the rules. I think currently there are two sets of data that are licensed for import, the Stats Can stuff and the Microsoft stuff. I haven't seen any

Re: [Talk-ca] Northumberland county

2019-03-06 Thread John Whelan
Ontario Thanks John wambac...@posteo.de wrote on 2019-03-06 5:14 AM: which relation? there are at least two in canada. Brunswick and Ontario. walter Am 06.03.19 um 02:05 schrieb john whelan: I can search in nomation for a supermarket in Ontario or Cobourg or even greater Manchester UK

[Talk-ca] Northumberland county

2019-03-05 Thread john whelan
I can search in nomation for a supermarket in Ontario or Cobourg or even greater Manchester UK but it doesn't work for Northumberland county. Could a relation specialist take a look at Northumberland county for me please. Admin level 6 Thanks John ___

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
reas where > we have data from the ODB, importing from the ODB might be better. However, > caution has to be taken with ODB as well, as every municipality that > contributed data might have contributed a different data source, where the > quality should be check each time. > > Just my two

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
>More discussion often yields consensus. Feel free to lead the discussion and gain consensus. My feeling is it will not be possible to reach one across Canada. Good Luck Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
I would concur in general but any import needs the agreement of local mappers and I think we have to define who they are first. Cheerio John Danny McDonald wrote on 2019-03-02 7:23 PM: Just looking at the data for some random areas, it looks like the quality is comparable to hand-drawn

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
e. (One down, perhaps a bit more to go). SteveA On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:40 PM, john whelan wrote: Why are you planning to import it? Cheerio John On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:26 PM OSM Volunteer stevea, wrote: A responsible complement to this would be a link to license information, a wiki page about t

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
d those data > actually be asserted to be worthy of being responsibly imported into OSM. > > SteveA > California > > > On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:17 PM, john whelan wrote: > > > > https://github.com/Microsoft/CanadianBuildingFootprints > > > > So now there

[Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
https://github.com/Microsoft/CanadianBuildingFootprints So now there are two Open Data sources for building outlines in Canada. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread John Whelan
building heights which are lost in the OBD. These are the reasons why we would like to import the original open data. Cheers, Tim On 2019-02-16 11:21, john whelan wrote: When you look at importing Montreal you might like to look at the following first. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread john whelan
When you look at importing Montreal you might like to look at the following first. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OGL_Canada_and_local_variants Note if the Montreal data in available through Stats Can and the federal government open data license it might be better to use that data source

Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Local Mappers and Editing Tool

2019-02-10 Thread john whelan
So you are adding data to OSM in Cobourg and Port Hope but not in Peterborough? There is an add-on to the ESRI products that will allow them to edit OpenStreetMap. Thanks Cheerio John On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 1:02 PM Jonathan Brown JW wrote: > > The way forward probably I suggest an opt out

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-10 Thread john whelan
Mapping buildings in iD can be done accurately, however going back in time to the Nepal earthquake generally speaking they were really poor quality. Pierre first took an interest in data quality around this time. Well he was interested before but grew more vocal. As part of 2020 a number of

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-04 Thread john whelan
ta. I would prefer to finish Ontario > project the way it is right now. If a square turns out to be too massive, > the person doing the import will need to tackle that square in several > changesets. > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 7:06 PM john whelan wrote: > >> I'm not

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
, 3 Feb 2019 at 18:26, john whelan wrote: > I'm hearing we keep the single import project as such. > > I'm hearing that we should preprocess the data first splitting out > outlines that meet Pierre's right angle checks. This data can just be > imported using the current processes.

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
ion et voir si cela permettrait de détecter un grand nombre > de cas. > angles entre 82.6 et 94.5 degrés > > {82.6,85.7,87.4,90.3,96,94.5,85.5,84.8,91,90.8,89.3,89.8,90.4,91.1,91.1,93.6,87.1,82,87.3,84.7} > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/479048070 > > Pierre > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
es données et ignore le rôle des communautés locales. > > Et l'argument, si tu t'opposes, tu est responsable pour ta communauté, > nous ont fait le reste du pays, à mon avis cela ne tient pas la route. > > Pierre > > > Le dimanche 3 février 2019 14 h 57 min 45 s HNE, john

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
s bâtiments avec tolérance de 1 à 5 > degrés (ceux à moins de 1 degrés resteraient tels quels. Malgré tout, Il > reste toujours 25% des bâtiments qui doivent être analysés manuellement et > voir si des corrections sont nécessaires. > > > Pierre > > > Le jeudi 31 janvier 2019

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
n que les données d'import pour Ottawa > représentent bien le contour des bâtiments et sont des données de qualité. > > Pierre > > > Le dimanche 3 février 2019 12 h 07 min 55 s HNE, john whelan < > jwhelan0...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > From OSMweekly 445 and I'm not su

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
working on it. A bad import is worse than no > import. > > Cheers, > Nate Wessel > Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning > NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> > > On 2/3/19 1:14 PM, john whelan wrote: > > My expec

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
My expectation was that the import would be based on the city's records of foundations for the buildings. I would not expect to see sheds etc.and I'd be quite happy to only get most of the buildings. The rest can be added by local mappers at a later date. My expectation is they will be

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
>From OSMweekly 445 and I'm not sure if it is relevant or not. Cheerio John Imports - Frederik Ramm suggested reverting a four-year-old building import in Ulster County, New York State, because only simple

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-01 Thread john whelan
t isn't. > > Cheers, > > Nate Wessel > Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning > NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> > > On 2/1/19 7:35 AM, john whelan wrote: > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=arthur%20mark%20dr

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-01 Thread john whelan
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=arthur%20mark%20drive%20port%20hope%20ontario#map=17/43.96262/-78.27069 https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.9631101,-78.2732195,17.25z https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3 Port Hope Ontario is relatively obscure yet both Bing and google have buildings and

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