Re: [Talk-us] Gravel roads and surface tags in the US

2018-04-19 Thread Toby Murray
I think the road bed is compacted and built up to provide a crown so water runs off but the gravel itself is not compacted on the surface. So putting some numbers in here... there are only 5,700 surface=compacted ways in the US. On the other hand, there are 107,000 surface=gravel. And I am willing

[Talk-us] Gravel roads and surface tags in the US

2018-04-18 Thread Toby Murray
I recently bought a gravel bicycle to ride on the many gravel roads in Kansas. Like this one: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=nYO4JI46L0SWzNAQlLT4kA&focus=photo First question: What would you call this road? Obviously I am calling it a "gravel road" but a couple of people have said they would

Re: [Talk-us] Walmart Import

2017-12-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > Ilya, > > Here's a Walmart that's been built in the last few years I recently added to > OSM: > > http://audit.osmz.ru/browse/walmart/5935 > > What's currently in OSM represents my own mapping style, but I think it's > worth discussing the di

Re: [Talk-us] Pokémon Go no officially using OpenStreetMap

2017-12-04 Thread Toby Murray
On the flip side, this seems to be driving a second wave of pokemon players coming to OSM and mapping parks over their homes, changing things to footways and such nonsense. It is also driving beneficial edits though. Hopefully the helpful users will stick around longer than the trolls. Just keep an

Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

2017-06-29 Thread Toby Murray
I would usually advocate getting law enforcement involved in an OSM licensing misstep... but someone should call the FBI! It's not just the Denver field office. The map on the nation-wide field office locator page also lacks attribution: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices I just send ou

Re: [Talk-us] Changesets under wrong user ID

2017-06-01 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, there isn't any way too fix it short of an admin manually changing the database and that isn't going to happen for something like this. Commenting on the changesets is probably reasonable. Toby On Jun 1, 2017 12:42 PM, "Steve Friedl" wrote: > Isn’t the easiest thing here to just comment

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

2017-01-05 Thread Toby Murray
As an ingress player, I can confirm use of ingress data for pokestops and gyms. Same location descriptions and images submitted by ingress players. Ingress saw a huge influx of new users when Pokemon Go launched. People created ingress accounts just so that they could use the ingress Intel map to f

Re: [Talk-us] Beware Pokemon users

2016-12-30 Thread Toby Murray
er of people who first learned about OSM through these posts and there are several posts about people seeing empty maps of their cities and getting the urge to fill them in, regardless of Pokemon activity! Toby On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > There was a video uploade

[Talk-us] Beware Pokemon users

2016-12-25 Thread Toby Murray
There was a video uploaded to YouTube a couple of days ago that claims to show some possible evidence that Pokemon Go uses data from OSM to determine good spawn locations for Pokemon. There are also several threads on reddit under /r/TheSilphRoad that have similar claims. It is amusing to see their

Re: [Talk-us] North Dakota server issues

2016-11-01 Thread Toby Murray
According to some traffic on IRC, there is currently some delay in replication between the master and slave databases. Since reads are served from the slaves, this can lead to this kind of inconsistency. The reason is still unknown. It will probably be a couple of hours before it gets fixed. But up

Re: [Talk-us] Check your turn:lanes

2016-08-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Jack Burke wrote: > So I take it that at least you and I are in agreement that the wiki is > deficient for branching exits like this one: > http://mapillary.com/map/im/7igAGXSa6EsUYlTIujXchw Why does this example even need any special lane tagging? I would map th

Re: [Talk-us] Check your turn:lanes

2016-08-24 Thread Toby Murray
Mind sharing the link to the GitHub issue? Do they think that "none" is an invalid option and are replacing it with a blank globally? If so, this should be shut down immediately. "none" and blank are both valid values and while I wouldn't mind seeing it be consistent, any such edit would need to b

Re: [Talk-us] Way to message a bunch of users at once?

2016-07-20 Thread Toby Murray
Well there was already significant work done on a "groups" feature that would have let users opt in to location-specific groups. But it never got a final push to completion. The work and discussion surrounding it are in a GitHub pull request: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/

[Talk-us] User bumping all grade-separated intersections to motorway

2016-06-13 Thread Toby Murray
I just discovered some misguided edits and the user in question seems to have made many of them over a wide area so I thought I would put people on notice to be aware of this. While on the Biking Across Kansas tour last week I saw some odd looking segments in OsmAnd along US 36 in Kansas. I got ho

Re: [Talk-us] How are US county boundaries legally defined?

2016-05-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Jake wrote: > I've been mapping a small section of National Forest, which straddles two > counties; Boone and Callaway. > > On every map I can find - Boone Countys GIS dept., census.gov, US Forest > Service - the county border strictly follows a river, Cedar Creek

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Slack

2016-03-29 Thread Toby Murray
I have set up a Slack bot using some software[1] that relays messages between a slack channel and an IRC channel. It is listening in #osm on OFTC and the #irc slack channel in Steve's team. I love my irssi+screen IRC setup however it kind of breaks down when it comes to a phone-friendly interface.

Re: [Talk-us] Relations and boundaries

2016-03-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/03/2016 08:02 PM, Steve Friedl wrote: >> I’ve been updating all the cities in Orange County California to have fully >> segmented relationalized boundaries, such that cities sharing a common >> border share a single way in each o

Re: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

2015-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, the tiles on osm.org just straight up render the name=* tag which is supposed to contain the name of an object in the primary language of the area that it is in. I know Wikipedia has done some work on localizing maps. I believe the way they do it is to render a map without any labels and the

Re: [Talk-us] Maxweight in the USA

2015-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
My view is that this isn't much different than speed limits. We don't tag maxspeed=96.5606, we tag maxspeed=60 mph. Tag what's on the sign. The complicating factor on this is of course that "ton" has at least 3 different meanings but I would generally assume that weight restrictions in the U.S. are

Re: [Talk-us] Legislative districts, Land-use zoning, etc.

2015-10-16 Thread Toby Murray
OSM is not the ideal tool to be a dumping ground for all GIS data. It excels at holding information that users can see, verify and update. Boundaries like this cannot be seen or verified by anyone except the government agency that originally made them. So the data gains no benefit from being in OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-09-28 Thread Toby Murray
I run into this as well. If I don't see anything close to the way on imagery I definitely have very little problem deleting them. I also question the access=private tagging although not because of the rendering. I mean technically it is correct I suppose but if you are trying to route to an addres

Re: [Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2015-09-17 15:56, Toby Murray wrote: >> >> I went through and upgraded all roads marked as "Minor collectors" and >> "Major collectors" from residential to tertiary. The result can

Re: [Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-17 Thread Toby Murray
oads" on the KDOT map so it kind of provided a secondary source to justify differing classifications. Thoughts? On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > My general rule of thumb for highway tagging in rural Kansas is as > follows. If I know nothing else about the road I start o

Re: [Talk-us] More strangeness in Baltimore

2015-09-14 Thread Toby Murray
Agreed. The 7-Eleven shop this user added (twice - once as a node, once as a way) does not appear on the store locator on 7-eleven.com. While it wouldn't be entirely out of the question that OSM had a newer location than the chain's own store locator, the edits do seem very much the same as those f

Re: [Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-06 Thread Toby Murray
My general rule of thumb for highway tagging in rural Kansas is as follows. If I know nothing else about the road I start off with US highway = primary, Kansas highway = secondary and county roads = tertiary. Then adjust as needed. For example. K-10 between Lawrence and Olathe [1] is controlled ac

[Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-06 Thread Toby Murray
Sorry to start another thread on this but I just had an exchange with another mapper here in Kansas that could use some more opinions. I recently reclassified US 24 west of Manhattan, KS from trunk down to primary. NE2 had bumped it up to trunk a long time ago and I never felt that this was right

Re: [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

2015-09-04 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > > Strangely, I am finding that some of the cities in California _are_ in > the system, but as ways and not as relations. This seems odd, but we > will see. Well the primary reason to use relations in boundaries is to reduce duplication. So if two

Re: [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

2015-09-03 Thread Toby Murray
The area you linked to has no boundary data in OSM. You don't state this in your email but by pulling up the TIGER shapefile, it looks like you are wanting school district boundaries? I see one runs through the area you linked to, in the shapefile. School districts were not imported into OSM. The o

Re: [Talk-us] A note about bags and security at SOTM-US

2015-06-03 Thread Toby Murray
Well ok, I guess this is primarily targeted at anyone who was planning on bringing a backpack. I'm sure I can fit what I need for a day in a bag this size as well. But any "normal" backpack is going to be 16-18 inches tall and too large for the UN. This is what I have used at previous conferences b

[Talk-us] A note about bags and security at SOTM-US

2015-06-03 Thread Toby Murray
I was just preparing for my trip to SOTM-US and ran across something in the fine print that caught me by surprise so I thought I'd share. The email from the conference organizers made a note that we can not take "large" backpacks into the building. I assumed this meant you couldn't take the kind of

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday

2015-04-06 Thread Toby Murray
I was just wondering if there was a mappy hour tonight and found this email. Thought I'd send out a ping in case others weren't sure either. Hope to see some of you tonight :) Toby On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Denver Area Relation Assistance

2015-01-09 Thread Toby Murray
I did a quick fix for the hole in the Denver, Denver County and Adams county relations. I may take another look at the area tonight. I saw a few oddities although I don't think they are related to your edit. I don't think way 321010352 should have aeroway tags on it since it is a member of a relati

Re: [Talk-us] Another use of OpenStreetMap

2015-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
the 2012 SOTM-US conference in Portland. Links to the presentation are on the wiki: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012 Toby On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > Where did you find a link to that attribution page? I went looking and > found a flight tracker on

Re: [Talk-us] Another use of OpenStreetMap

2015-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
Where did you find a link to that attribution page? I went looking and found a flight tracker on their website that is actually serving up tiles straight from osm.org. Not quite in line with tile usage policies I suppose but they DO have attribution on the map at least. To see it you have to find

Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

2014-11-08 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: > > > It is unfortunate that importers are dropping values like addr:city and > addr:state during US imports. Especially when they appear to have clean > data at the time of import. There are other users of the OSM data than > just Nominatim.

Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

2014-11-07 Thread Toby Murray
This thread seems like a storm in a teacup. From a data perspective addr:state is not really needed. Nominatim in particular and probably other geocoders as well assign it automatically based on state (admin_level=4) boundary relations. These relations are also tagged with ref=<2 letter code> which

[Talk-us] Presenting your new OSM-US board

2014-10-15 Thread Toby Murray
Voting closed on the OSM-US board election last night. Michael Collinson and I acted as election observers and we are both satisfied that the election was carried out properly. So today I am happy to announce our new board members: Alyssa Wright Martijn van Exel Alex Barth Ian Dees Eleanor Tutt M

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2014-09-15 16:59 GMT+02:00 Ed Hillsman : > >> I agree there is a need to have a way to deal with this. Where I have >> checked a street, in both directions, for a posted speed limit and found >> none, I tag

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-08-06 Thread Toby Murray
I would say the primary use of address data in OSM is geocoding, not mail delivery. There may be legitimate differences between a street name and the address of a house along that street but abbreviations are not a legitimate difference. The Census Bureau also has a list of 503 "official" abbreviat

Re: [Talk-us] strange dead link in wiki.openstreetmap.org

2014-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
I see it on admin level 6 not 5. The way that page is constructed makes it a little harder to track down. That table isn't in the page you linked to but is some kind of template included in the page. I'm still not quite sure how all that works but the table and its history can be viewed outside th

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Toby Murray
I believe this was an import done in 2009. Here is an example changeset that is obviously an address import in the area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/3407483 The import is documented on the import catalog page[1] on the wiki and mentioned on the California imports page[2] as well. It is

[Talk-us] OSM mention in NPR's All Tech Considered

2014-07-08 Thread Toby Murray
It isn't the best presentation of OSM ever but we were mentioned yesterday in All Tech Considered. We are seeing a bit of a spike in new users today because of it. So watch out for new users in your area! http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/07/07/329501435/from-pen-and-paper-to-3-d-loo

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

2014-06-23 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I can not search for an address in part of unincorporated King County, WA > when using the postal city. > > Fails - 7732 234th Place Northeast, Redmond, WA > > The search works when omitting the postal city. The search returns the > CDP, Un

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Attribution

2014-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
Well it doesn't surprise me that google doesn't see any attribution, even if they had it. The only thing I can access without an account is the front page and their help site at squareup.com. And the only mention I see of maps in the help docs is definitely a google map ( https://squareup.com/help/

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-04-30 Thread Toby Murray
Wait, what is the consensus method for tagging sidewalks? I haven't done a lot of them but I know I've added a few as footways myself. Toby On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Steven Johnson wrote: > Certainly your first move should be to contact the user, gently point > her/him to the consensus

[Talk-us] Any happenings in Orlando?

2014-03-16 Thread Toby Murray
I'm in Orlando for the next week visiting family. I'm not quite sure what my schedule will be but was wondering if there were any OSM-ish events going on. I didn't see anything on meetup.com or the wiki so I'm guessing there isn't much happening but maybe I missed something. Toby _

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways: Use of unique ISO/ANSI/USPS 2-letter state codes in RELATIONS as well as WAYS?

2014-03-11 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 3/11/14 7:04 PM, Peter Davies wrote: > > I thought I would make my proposal stand out a bit more by adding words > to > > the title. :-O > > > > There are some weird things, like Nebraska's state law that requires NDOR > > to have a state

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways

2014-03-11 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Peter Davies wrote: > > > I have no idea why the convention of leaving out half the ref in the > relation has been adopted. Just writing "5" instead of "I 5" is in my view > pointlessly inconsistent. Most states have an "SH 5". Why create > relations that are fund

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways

2014-03-11 Thread Toby Murray
As Richard pointed out, we need consistency. Here in Kansas state highways are generally referred to as "K-xx" however in OSM they are tagged with a ref of "KS xx" because I feel like being consistent is more important than how they look on osm.org. And speaking of renderers, you will notice that

Re: [Talk-us] importing zip codes

2014-02-22 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: > The USPS has a web site for giving ZIP and ZIP+4 values for specified > addresses at > https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction!input.action?mode=0&refresh=true > > As near as I can tell from the TOS at > http://about.usps.com/termsofuse.htmth

Re: [Talk-us] importing zip codes

2014-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
What exactly is the census data representing? Zip codes are not polygons (they are routes) so I'm curious what exactly they are modeling. But beyond that, I'm not sure zip code boundaries are all that useful in OSM. I think Nominatim already figures out zip code basics from addr:postcode values in

Re: [Talk-us] RAWR edits reverted

2014-02-16 Thread Toby Murray
Thank you Frederik and the DGW for looking at this. If whoever set up this account had spent the same time editing their city or doing some battlegrid cells, they might actually have been in the running for that iPad... Toby On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > aft

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Thread Toby Murray
Note that if you delete the node, the city name will no longer be rendered on osm.org or Mapquest Open. Not sure about other renderings but I'm guessing a lot of them do the same thing. Another way of fixing the nominatim problem is to create a boundary relation for the city. Move the tags from the

Re: [Talk-us] Help needed with polygon/membership of admin area in Willits, CA

2014-01-26 Thread Toby Murray
In Bing imagery I see what might be a disused sewage treatment tank just to the south of the area originally highlighted. Around here that is one common thing that ends up being a separate little section of city boundary. You can easily see the whole relation on osm.org: http://www.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Talk-us] Oklahoma relations spreadsheet

2014-01-13 Thread Toby Murray
I've been maintaining a similar list of relations on the wiki for Kansas. It is a bit tedious to keep up to date though and doesn't have all the highways in the state listed yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways#List_of_highways_and_their_status Toby On Mon, Jan 13, 2014

Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery update

2013-12-04 Thread Toby Murray
You can view this information in JOSM as well. If Bing is the only imagery visible you can right click and choose "Show Tile Info" Toby On Dec 4, 2013 5:42 PM, "Martijn van Exel" wrote: The HTTP response header of the tile image contains something like: X-VE-TILEMETA-CaptureDatesRange: 1/1/2012

Re: [Talk-us] Public Labs/balloon mapping?

2013-10-28 Thread Toby Murray
On the subject of RC and drones: I have been working on building myself a multirotor RC platform this year. One of the ideas behind it (besides just being fun) was to be able to go to some new construction, send it up, grab pictures and then map from them. So far I'm still stuck on the "flying it w

Re: [Talk-us] Question about incorrect data for an administrative area

2013-10-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > also, i would be remiss if i didn't point out that post office delivery > addressing > is only vaguely related to the actual administrative boundaries; the > addressing > situation for Enterprise is hardly unique, in fact situations like th

Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?

2013-10-09 Thread Toby Murray
The tiles on the OSM-US server are up and running. The preview was on Phil's home server that had limited bandwidth. A better UI to the tile layer can be found here with standard map controls and a simple search feature to jump to locations: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/ I have talked to

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2013 Places shapefile for PA?

2013-10-07 Thread Toby Murray
That ITO map seems to be only looking at ways. If you include relations in the analysis things should actually be pretty good. There should be a (mostly) correct boundary relation for every county in the US. At one point I was the last user to have touched about 40% of them... There may very well b

Re: [Talk-us] map data error page at gps.gov

2013-09-05 Thread Toby Murray
This: "when we update the page" combined with "This story was originally published in May 2011. We made minor text edits in November 2011." doesn't exactly make me want to hold my breath :) Toby On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Greg

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-08-09 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Aug 8, 2013 9:42 PM, "Toby Murray" wrote: > >> [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand > for 'North' or 'East,'] > >> > > W

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-08-08 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Richie Kennedy wrote: > Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I'm having trouble getting > county road shields in my area to render. > > Example: > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#16/39.0031/-95.3842 > > I have made County Road 1029 a re

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-08-01 Thread Toby Murray
Well Alex whipped up some quick leaflet action and then I took it and added some minimal geocoding so you can jump to places easier. The current result can be viewed here: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/ With the source being here if someone wants to make it prettier :) https://gist.github

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-07-29 Thread Toby Murray
We're still working on the settings. Right now tiles are only cached for 5 minutes. For high zoom tiles that might work ok but it makes it annoying to zoom out because the lower zoom tiles take so long to render. Phil, Any ideas as to why Kansas and Nebraska are completely devoid of interstate shi

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-07-28 Thread Toby Murray
As can be seen on Martijn's pages, there is no route relation for LA 12. It is a member of some odd route relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2320011 But this rendering is looking for a route relation with a network=US:LA and ref=12 tag. Toby On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:59 PM

[Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-07-28 Thread Toby Murray
We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US server today! You can see the tiles here: http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles set up in a pretty leaflet UI or something. Toby ___

Re: [Talk-us] How did this weekend's editathon go? (was Re: Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US)

2013-07-22 Thread Toby Murray
Not sure if this is all editathon related but I noticed a spike in Pascal's graphs of how many users closed notes in the US this weekend: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=United%20States Toby On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: > Event stats > > 55 uni

[Talk-us] JOSM plugin for notes

2013-07-20 Thread Toby Murray
This last week Ian Dees and myself have been working on getting a JOSM plugin for the new notes feature up and running. We started off by copying the OpenStreetBugs plugin but ended up redoing a lot of the internals. The user interface is still fairly similar though. It is still a little rough arou

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

2013-07-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:44 AM, James Mast wrote: > Well, I've found a bug in the rendering engine. > > What's up with these "US 1-9" shields? > http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=16&lat=35.52081&lon=-79.18442&layers=B > > This is a real thing. Welcome to the insane variety of how we do h

Re: [Talk-us] Lake Powell

2013-07-05 Thread Toby Murray
There was a gap in the two ways that now join at this node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/599459023 Easy to spot in JOSM's relation editor after ordering the relation members correctly. Toby On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > This warrants a wiki article! > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

2013-07-01 Thread Toby Murray
This actually came up when we were talking about the shields last week. The shields rendering is actually a full mapnik stylesheet, not just an overlay. Phil pointed out that this is the only way to avoid conflicts. So it is essentially a full osm.org mapnik stylesheet (from a few months ago but it

[Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

2013-07-01 Thread Toby Murray
For those interested in highway shields: Phil, Ian and myself put some more time in on getting shields working on the OSM-US server last week. We actually got things mostly working but did run into a brick wall. Unfortunately postgres 8.4 doesn't support how the image data is being handled. The fi

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-30 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, to me the wiki reads that to be a motorway it should be dual carriageway except in exceedingly rare circumstances. That's how I've been tagging. So then we come back to the question of what exactly is trunk if it isn't used for these kinds of roads? Toby On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 1:58 AM, P

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Toby Murray
Around here they seem to just be somewhat random areas of town. Not formal neighborhoods or anything. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151609519 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151882535 I've already deleted a couple of others because they didn't make much sense and caus

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-06-19 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Curious if you guys are using US:KS for the network, which would fit the > pattern or not? I ask because on the way's ref tags, some people are > correctly using KS, but others are just using K. > > > On Wed, J

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-06-19 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-06-18 Thread Toby Murray
I did spend some time trying to set up Phil's code myself for eventual deployment to the osm-us server. I got a good chunk of the way there but ran into some problems. I'll see if I can put some more time into it now that I'm home again. Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Richard Weait wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!

2013-06-01 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > >> ok, i found "report a problem" on the map view for housing units >> in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the >> GUI so i can see the full cycle. >> > > I

[Talk-us] Take another look at notes!

2013-05-30 Thread Toby Murray
As I'm sure a lot of you are aware, osm.org has a new "notes" [1] feature (new as of a month ago) that allows anonymous users to submit random comments about our maps. Some of them will of course be unhelpful or silly but there have been many useful ones submitted since the feature went live. We a

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Expansion Bot Complete

2013-04-29 Thread Toby Murray
angeset centroids). > > 11,188 changesets > 4,156,347 objects modified > > Serge - how do you explain the west-east difference in edits? Did you > change the number of objects modified per changeset at some point? > > https://tiles.mapbox.com/ruben/map/map-13xkjfwx#5.00/37.86

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Expansion Bot Complete

2013-04-25 Thread Toby Murray
Great news and thank you for all the work you put in on it. Note that there may still be a few abbreviated street names around. The bot was not a general purpose name expander. It looked at specific TIGER tags and only changed ways where those tags matched what was in the name tag. But it did expa

Re: [Talk-us] Weird server error with a relation

2013-04-05 Thread Toby Murray
I don't think the "edit relation" feature is working right. It keeps sending me to edit the last place I was viewing on the map instead of where the relation is. So I don't think that has anything to do with the original problem. As for the original problem during upload... I'm not sure. The Color

Re: [Talk-us] Chicago Hack Weekend

2013-03-26 Thread Toby Murray
I booked my flight last night. You should too! Toby On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > Hi list-goers, > > Knight-Mozilla OpenNews and myself are hosting a hack weekend April 27th and > 28th in the heart of downtown Chicago. > > These sorts of hack weekends are a chance for the

Re: [Talk-us] key source:maxspeed

2013-03-21 Thread Toby Murray
Part of the issue here is how some countries in Europe sign speed limits. For example when you cross the border into Austria, there is a huge sign that lists what all the default speed limits are for various types of roads. They expect you to remember this. Local speed limit signs are only posted w

Re: [Talk-us] RAGBRAI Mapping

2013-03-18 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Toby Murray writes: > > Hmm... I might look at doing something similar for Biking Across > > Kansas. Not sure if these event routes really belong in OSM as a route > > relation though. They do not indicate a route tha

Re: [Talk-us] RAGBRAI Mapping

2013-03-18 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: >> >> Hmm... I might look at doing something similar for Biking Across >> Kansas. Not sure if these event routes really belong in OSM as a route >> relation tho

Re: [Talk-us] RAGBRAI Mapping

2013-03-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > I know that in the past there has been some interest in RAGBRAI among > OpenStreetMappers (if you're not familiar with RAGBRAI it's best > described as a week-long moving party where to have to ride your > bicycle from party location to part

[Talk-us] Last call for Riley county, Kansas address import

2013-03-11 Thread Toby Murray
So I've mentioned this import a couple of times now. I have been taking my time with it and working with the new US imports committee that Serge started to go through the import process. But after the meeting tonight I think I am now ready to actually hit the upload button. I plan on uploading in a

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data next steps

2013-02-22 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I always find it boggling that open data projects are willing to use > google docs and google hangouts. It would be really nice to at least > have the data in a free software/free culture compatible place like an > OSM foundation server. I

Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps

2013-02-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Rick Marshall wrote: > I mistakenly sent this to Greg and not the entire list. So, I'll > retry it again: > > Hello all. I am still fairly new to OSM, so I don't know all the ins > and outs. But I have to ask a question. Other than Google Mapmaker > is there an

Re: [Talk-us] Topeka,KS Address Import

2013-01-24 Thread Toby Murray
See the "Shawnee County" related threads on the imports list in December: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2012-December/thread.html Although he only sent that message *after* doing at least some of the import. I sent a message with specific problems I saw and he fixed some of the

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and > state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow > improve them. Have we improved them? Being the last user to touch about 35% of all county bo

Re: [Talk-us] Imports in Riley county, KS

2013-01-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > As mentioned previously on talk-us, I made contact with the Riley > county GIS department and got access to their data. Since then I have > been analyzing and working with the data. I believe I am nearing a > point at which I can

Re: [Talk-us] Adopt-a-highway representation in OSM

2013-01-02 Thread Toby Murray
The only real tag that is well and truly "deprecated" is created_by. Both JOSM and Potlatch automatically and silently delete this tag from any object you modify if it is present. So it is actually impossible to create a new object with a created_by tag on it in the two most popular editors. Toby

Re: [Talk-us] Adopt-a-highway representation in OSM

2013-01-01 Thread Toby Murray
The amenity tag is way too overloaded to the point where it is pretty useless. It might as well be "thing" instead of amenity. Do not use it for new things. Why not just make a new tag like "adopt_a_highway=" - it only requires one tag to encode to encode the information and is much more obvious.

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: >> Why does "imports" mean "not crowdsourced," if the crowd determines which >> imports are source-able? > > Crowdsourced means that we survey the data indivdually. > >> Why doesn't pub

Re: [Talk-us] Where is this way in the DB ?

2012-12-28 Thread Toby Murray
Are you running a snapshot schema, imported with osmosis? If so then you just discovered the same thing I did a couple of months ago. Osmosis silently drops ways with less than 2 nodes during import. (yes, ways with zero nodes exist too) This is because they create an invalid linestring which can c

Re: [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-27 Thread Toby Murray
While we didn't discuss it in terms of this specific law, this does match my conversation with the Riley county GIS department. As long as names aren't used, they do not have any problems with their information being used in OSM. Toby On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: > Well

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
Just saw some of this going in and decided to take a look. Specifically this node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2078174875 - I think there is pretty good consensus that we don't need addr:state and addr:country tags - The addr:street tag has odd capitalization - The building=* tag typi

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