slartibartfast wrote:
> Your best bet is to set up a Raspberry Pi as a server. I don't think
> many are happy with the built in server.
>
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
I was using TinyLMS on the Touch with an external powered hard drive and
it worked most of the time, but TinyLMS
slartibartfast wrote:
> Your best bet is to set up a Raspberry Pi as a server. I don't think
> many are happy with the built in server.
>
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
Agree. I setup a "set and forget" LMS server for my brother. Simply
connected via ethernet to his router, and rPi
michel wrote:
> Sorry to bring up this old post!
> I am setting up a used touch for a friend who is a computer dummy. i
> wanted to use the internal server to avoid having to install and
> servicing a NAS.
> Around 15000 files including album art led to frequent crashes of
> server. I tried to
Sorry to bring up this old post!
I am setting up a used touch for a friend who is a computer dummy. i
wanted to use the internal server to avoid having to install and
servicing a NAS.
Around 15000 files including album art led to frequent crashes of
server. I tried to install a swap drive using
I suspect the problems people are experiencing with USB powered
harddrives is because of the powersupply to the SBT. I use an old
powersupply from a PC, the 5v line can deliver 25A of power and I have
never had any problem. When I read the posts on the matter, there also
seem to be a connection
As this forum seems to be the place to go for getting tiny Logitech
Media Server (tinyLMS) working on the Sb Touch, I wanted to provide my
experience which might help others.
In this forum, some were successful in using a USB powered Toshiba
Cavino portable hard drive with TinyLMS. I purchased
I'm running Squeezebox Touch with USB Harddrive ( WD Elements Portable
USB 3.0) directly coupled to the touch. As a powersupply I'm using a PC
switchmode 250W unit capable of delivering 25A into 5V, so I guess I
won't have a problem with enough juice. Using Soundchecks TT3.0 mod with
everything
I read through the Jean's posts and understood some of it. The linux
stuff was foriegn to me.
I have about 3000 FLAC files (ripped using DBpoweramp.) I am still
checking, but most of my folder.jpg files are less than 500x500 pixels.
However, I think I did embed the artwork into the FLAC
hi folks,
just found this thread and have a question.
i want to use the touch in my car with a usb drive.
since the power will be turned off each time i turn off the car, i can't
afford to re-scan the usb drive or i'd never get to hear any music at
all.
if i only want to use 'music folder' to
erland wrote:
We tested it a bit here previously:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?90147-Two-simple-ideas-to-make-Touch-standalone-with-TinySBS-(and-why-not-SBS-)-acceptablep=656288#post656288
It didn't work very good, probably because it will still scan the folder
when you
cat6man wrote:
thanks for the quick response.
by the way, are there any small portable hdd/NAS that i can install the
server software on?
Checkout SqueezePlug and the NAS boxes it supports, they are supposed to
be low power and is reasonable small and it's easy to install
SqueezePlug
First of all, thank you all for describing some really good ways and
tools to make SBs Tiny server to work. I also am inclined to making
things simple and avoiding the PC, the home network, and complications
whenever possible - thus playing my music from locally attached USB disk
ONLY.
Both
A reboot/restart often solves lots of computer issues. And the TOUCH is
a computer (albeit tiny one). The Touch is in fact using a server when
it plays files from your USB drive. It is not using a server running on
a separate computer (that is, LMS). Instead it is running the server
software
Thanks garym for your reply, I really appreciate your assistance and
explanation.
However, I am still not clear as to why we need the tiny server (or any
server whatsoever) to just simply play the music from a USB drive? I
mean, there are tons of media players around, to which you can just plug
Hazim wrote:
Thanks garym for your reply, I really appreciate your assistance and
explanation.
However, I am still not clear as to why we need the tiny server (or any
server whatsoever) to just simply play the music from a USB drive? I
mean, there are tons of media players around, to
Hazim wrote:
Thanks garym for your reply, I really appreciate your assistance and
explanation.
However, I am still not clear as to why we need the tiny server (or any
server whatsoever) to just simply play the music from a USB drive? I
mean, there are tons of media players around, to
Hazim wrote:
I mean, there are tons of media players around, to which you can just
plug in your HDD via USB - and they are immediately ready to play
anything from the attached HDD - be it music, movies, photos, etc.
I confess that I'm not that familiar with this particular species of
device.
The reason you need the server is because thats the way the entire
squeezebox system was designed. It was designed from the ground up as a
SYSTEM of server and players, the players get their audio data from the
server over a network. All the squeezebox players have used this
system. The Touch is
Hazim wrote:
So, my question is - why can't I also just shut off that boring server
function, then navigate my folder system - and just play my music?
Technically, it MUST be possible with some simple software tweak,
because that is the way most of media players work - using just the
JohnSwenson wrote:
which as far as I can tell was an after thought, the processor had a USB
port on it so the hardware guys put the plug on the back
I'm sorry, but this does not make sense on multiple levels. The
processor has most likely a serial and JTAG insterface, however the
hardware
jean2 wrote:
I'm sorry, but this does not make sense on multiple levels. The
processor has most likely a serial and JTAG insterface, however the
hardware guys did not put a RS232 console or JTAG connector on the back.
With the cost and leadtime of industrial design, the decision to add a
jean2 wrote:
An alternative is to work on your collection and your tags. This is what
I have done, it's possible. My own SB-Touch has currently about 10k
music tracks, most albums with artworks, and it is super stable. I
installed a SB-Touch at my parent with a subset of my collection, 6k
JohnSwenson wrote:
As to why the hardware was not modified to run the server better once it
became a feature, that I don't know. Probably along the lines of, the
design is done, no way are we sinking any more money into this thing.
We already discussed that earlier, I'm sorry it still
garym wrote:
agree. And if your directories/subdirectories/file names are well
organized you can use mp3tag function of FILENAME TAG to actually
automatically fill the metadata (tag) based on names of subdirectories
or all or part of actual file names. Works very nicely. You should play
jean2 wrote:
First, avoid ID3-v1 (I personally avoid ID3 all versions and stick only
with VorbisComments).
good points, but for other readers (not Jean2) note that vorbiscomments
is for FLAC files. If you have mp3 files, I suggest having ID3v2 (avoid
ID3v1 and APE, and particularly avoid
I have a Touch, with a Seagate USB drive connected (11,000 files), and
am controlling it with a Duet controller. These are all connected via
wi-fi to a NetGear WN3000RP wi-fi extender router that has a wireless
connection to the Internet.
This all works perfectly when the Internet connection is
MarkSAllen wrote:
I have a Touch, with a Seagate USB drive connected (11,000 files), and
am controlling it with a Duet controller. These are all connected via
wi-fi to a NetGear WN3000RP wi-fi extender router that has a wireless
connection to the Internet.
This all works perfectly when
Hi,
I decided to try the EXT3 filesystem on my Touch.
1) Rationale
---
The main reason for upgrading from FAT to EXT3 was corruption.
EXT3 is a journalled filesystem, so should be more robust to filesystem
corruption. I just had a FAT filesystem corruption.
I initially tought that
Hi,
I recently had a few troubles with TinyLMS. After tracking it down,
it was due to a corruption of the FAT filesystem. This confirm what I
said about backups in section (6), you can not fully trust those hard
drives.
1) Symptoms
-
The first thing I noticed is that I was not able
treepleks;677131 Wrote:
1- if you want to make these changes permanent (resist reboot), I
would avise to create a squeezeos-boot.sh file that contains the
commands below, at the root of your disk (/media/mmcblk0p1 in your
case)
Thanks very much for the script, I've been meaning to
Wow... only today I happened to read through parts of this thread... The
swapping sounds interesting. I think we dismissed the idea because we
didn't want the listening experience to be negatively impacted, eg.
playback being delayed because a codec had been swapped out etc. It'll be
Mr. Tuesdays;676490 Wrote:
OK, success at last! Entire USB drive scanned, all artwork pre-cached
and the server running. No hitch, no crash. Database is now
searchable and is pretty fast.
File scan took about 1H 30M. Over 16,000 files. The SB Touch always
under estimates the scan time
erland;676536 Wrote:
Built-in server was planned when hardware beta testers was introduced
(December 2008), so it was planned a long time before any official
announcements (September 2009) were made and definitely a long time
before the official product release (April 2010).
That's
erland;676536 Wrote:
Built-in server was planned when hardware beta testers was introduced
(December 2008), so it was planned a long time before any official
announcements (September 2009) were made and definitely a long time
before the official product release (April 2010).
jean2;676717
Mnyb;676538 Wrote:
Are they using the most effective programming methods to utilize this
hardware ?
It's a tradeoff, over-optimising the software is not always the best
strategy. I actually think they are using the most effective
programming methods for the SqueezeBox product line.
If you
aubuti;676726 Wrote:
But less than it may seem. Units were already in distributors'
warehouses by mid-2009.
That's what I said, plenty of time. Those chips are pin compatible.
Jean
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aubuti;676726 Wrote:
But less than it may seem. Units were already in distributors'
warehouses by mid-2009.
And the final hardware beta testing was finished a bit before that
since the mass production had to start so the units were ready to be
shipped mid-2009.
And on top of this, the work
jean2;676733 Wrote:
That's what I said, plenty of time. Those chips are pin compatible.
Are you suggesting that they should have let the warehouse employees
start to unpack the boxes and soldering new chips on them ?
If not, you must have some extra months in your calender that's not
jean2;676732 Wrote:
And you also have to remember that the cost of many hardware components
goes down over the lifetime of the product (CPU, memory for example),
and you have to take that into your calculations. This is the reason
why Logitech has been able to reduce the price point from
OK, success at last! Entire USB drive scanned, all artwork pre-cached
and the server running. No hitch, no crash. Database is now
searchable and is pretty fast.
File scan took about 1H 30M. Over 16,000 files. The SB Touch always
under estimates the scan time by half. It said 45 minutes
jean2;676028 Wrote:
Good to know. I was just thinking aloud.
Ok, I'm convinced ;-)
Rant mode on : hardware designers seem to always underestimate the
amount of memory required, and the SB hardware designers in particular.
The ipkg players are notorious for having their flash full,
JohnSwenson;676496 Wrote:
Actually its not really the hardware designers fault, from what I can
tell the hardware was never designed to be a server, it was designed as
the next genaration player, they gave it enough memory and processor
power to handle 24/96 files well.
...
jean2;676527 Wrote:
Lastly, from what I remember, they also delayed the initial release of
the Touch for many month, and during those months the beta tester were
saying that the player functionality was pretty much done and the bulk
of the work was on the internal server. If they did not
i wonder even if you can turn off a lot of stuff in the server to make
it fit the tiny hardware.
Can it be that the requirement that it should run on the Touch is a
limiting factor for the server .
A lot of stuff can be tacked on as plugin much oficial stuff is plugins
too, but anyway.
i use to
Mnyb;676538 Wrote:
i wonder even if you can turn off a lot of stuff in the server to make
it fit the tiny hardware.
Can it be that the requirement that it should run on the Touch is a
limiting factor for the server .
A lot of stuff can be tacked on as plugin much oficial stuff is plugins
Will do so. Thanks for helping me thru this. I am NOT a Unix/Linux
guy. :(
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Now this is very strange. mkswap and swapon are no longer there. I'm
sure they were before, I saw them in the list. I'm confused. :-/
+---+
|Filename: busybox-5.gif|
|Download:
If you still want to dig, just try the 3 lines at the end ofvmy previous
post. May be the error messages will be helpful or may be..it will work
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I just did and it works! Free shows non-zero for the swap file.
Nothing in the buffer yet (streaming Pandora), but we'll see how it
goes with the next scan.
Thanks so much!
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I have been using swap on my USB disk for more than 2 weeks now and
since this, I have not seen a single problem with the SB touch. The USB
disk has never disconnected and I never had to restart tinySB either. My
feeling is that most issues with tinySB with lots of tracks are memory
related and
treepleks;675977 Wrote:
I have been using swap on my USB disk for more than 2 weeks now and
since this, I have not seen a single problem with the SB touch.
Good to know. I was just thinking aloud.
treepleks;675977 Wrote:
I got a 40MB usage at some point but 1 to 20MB is more usual.
Ok,
jean2;676028 Wrote:
Good to know. I was just thinking aloud.
Ok, I'm convinced ;-)
Rant mode on : hardware designers seem to always underestimate the
amount of memory required, and the SB hardware designers in particular.
The ipkg players are notorious for having their flash full,
I'm still hacking trying to get the swap file going.
I have the same version of busybox that Treepleks has and can see the
same commands. There is a file called swapfile in the bin directory,
so thats OK.
However, I can't get the link command to work. Any ln -s busbox just
returns an Operation
Mr. Tuesdays;676069 Wrote:
I'm still hacking trying to get the swap file going.
I have the same version of busybox that Treepleks has and can see the
same commands. There is a file called swapfile in the bin directory,
so thats OK.
However, I can't get the link command to work. Any ln
Mr. Tuesdays;675515 Wrote:
yes, I did CD into bin. pwd I think told me root, which didn't make any
sense, cause I shouldn't be able to see busybox in root. Should I? You
can see the results of ls at the top of the terminal window.
In any case, the reformatted USB drive is now humming
BTW, to check if swap is indeed activated, the free command should
show something like this:
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem:125848 123244 26040 1720
-/+ buffers: 121524 4324
Swap: 239992
Thanks Treepleks. I followed the exact link you gave for busybox, but I
don't see all those commands. Will check again. Also Free shows all
0 (zeros) for Swap.
But the USB drive is running, miracle of miracles. All 16K+ files,
most with embedded artwork. It did crash after the scan, but I
Mr. Tuesdays;675515 Wrote:
In any case, the reformatted USB drive is now humming along on the
Touch while it scans the files. It appears to be much faster,
estimating a 90 minute scan of the files, not 5 hours.
Wow ! That's quite dramatic !
Mr. Tuesdays;675515 Wrote:
Is that because of
Mr. Tuesdays;675870 Wrote:
Jean, you are very welcome! Without this thread I wold never have
gotten it working.
LOL. That's because it's rather ambiguous in my mind. I don't know
what I did to get it working. All the other times it has scanned and
crashed I simply could not get back
OK, makes sense. That's exactly what I'm seeing.
Wish I knew how to edit and fix the database. It's got to be close to
complete.
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Now that I'm typing right (haven't used command line years) things are
going better.
Bin directory created
Busybox downloaded and renamed
permissions changed
swap file made (I think)
But then turning it on has stalled. See session below.
I'd love to have the extra memory if possible.
Now
Did you 'cd' into the bin directory after you created it? Type a pwd to
see what your present working directory is. If it is indeed the bin
directory then type an ls -l to list the contents.
Too bad we can't scroll up in the screenshots of your terminal
window
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yes, I did CD into bin. pwd I think told me root, which didn't make any
sense, cause I shouldn't be able to see busybox in root. Should I? You
can see the results of ls at the top of the terminal window.
In any case, the reformatted USB drive is now humming along on the
Touch while it scans
Preliminaries: all this has been done from a Linux box. This is also
feasible from Windows or MacOSX, you just have to adapt to your OS (ssh
client, paths).
I had my squezebox touch running TinySB 7.7 on a LaCie 500GB 2.5 USB
disk. I was pretty satisfied with it but
1) the 15000 (FLAC)
Welcome to the forums, and excellent first post!
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Excellent post indeed! Many thanks for that, there is so much good
info there. The OOM messages in the log file are a big help for me. I
can now see where things went wrong and try to fix them. The log file
shows which files where causing problems. I will also install a small
SD card to use
Mr. Tuesdays;675212 Wrote:
- Wiped the USB hard drive and reformatted. Win XP would allow only
an NTFS format of this 500 gig drive.
You can format a hard drive to Win32 in Win-XP either using the
command line or via third party tools. Google is your friend.
Mr.
jean2;675226 Wrote:
You can format a hard drive to Win32 in Win-XP either using the command
line or via third party tools. Google is your friend.
Yep. I'll try that. It's a long process formating and moving the
files. Many hours as this little USB drive is no speed demon.
Trying to make a
Warning: open your hand before slapping forehead You need a space
after the cd command, eg,
cd /media/mmcblk0p1
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Correct, that's how I've been running, with the server on a PC.
I understand most of it, but don't understand the capabilities of
TinySB.
Now running TinySB just fine off a USB stick (FAT32)with 250 files.
Squeezebox server is running and connected to the the USB library.
Works just fine.
Mr. Tuesdays;674781 Wrote:
Correct Aubuti, that's how I've been running, with the server on a PC.
I understand most of it, but don't understand the capabilities of
TinySB.
Now running TinySB just fine off a USB stick (FAT32)with 250 files.
Squeezebox (TinySB) server is running and
Mr. Tuesdays;674656 Wrote:
I'm yet another optimist who wants to run 16,000 FLAC files off an
attached USB drive.
I wish you good luck, that's a lot of files.
Mr. Tuesdays;674656 Wrote:
TinySB takes a very long time to scan it, but then poops out.
It may be wise to investigate that
Gary, Jean. Will try that ASAP. Thanks.
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Okay, it sounds like you're getting along better than I suspected.
Good.
You say you can't see the Touch on the network. How are you looking for
it?
Try this. Install SqueezePlay on your laptop. It is perpetual-beta free
software from Logitech that emulates the Touch on your pc. You can
Mr. Tuesdays;674781 Wrote:
However, I don't see the SB touch anywhere on the network, so don't
know how to control it. If Logitech Server (v7.7.0) is running on
another computer it will show up as a UPnP device. If the Touch is
connected to that library, then it can be controlled as a
Now to try sixteen thousand tracks off a USB drive. Fingers crossed. It
might take all night to scan that.
I used to run my Touch this way w a 1TB Toshiba Canvio portable drive.
It ran fine though updating the database and rescanning was a pain. I
was unaware of the Samba thing and not sure how
Mr. Tuesdays;674795 Wrote:
All the different names, servers and controllers are confusing to a poor
newb. :-/
Ain't that the truth. And just to keep you on your toes, they like to
change the name of the server every 457 days.
Glad to hear you've got it working okay. Enjoy, and do consider
Great, thanks all. If I can figure out the network path to the USB
drive on the touch, I should be able to update it with new stuff. Just
gotta figure out where it is and point the sync program to it.
I don't mind the laptop as a controller, it's here anyway. Would be
fun to use my old Dell
Getting to the USB stick turned out to be easy.
I just went to Options on the Touch and turned on Sharing. Simple.
Now the Touch shows up like any other computer on the network and its
drives are visible. Pretty darn easy. I was able to drag and drop a
music folder from the laptop to the USB
I'm yet another optimist who wants to run 16,000 FLAC files off an
attached USB drive. Don't want to run another PC or even a NAS for many
of the same reasons that others have already stated. And it almost
works, almost. I have a Seagate HDD that's been very good otherwise.
TinySB takes a very
Mr. Tuesdays;674656 Wrote:
Add to my optimism the fact that I want to control the touch from my
laptop and either a web interface or ideally JRiver Media Player and it
all becomes a real challenge. Will let you know how I get on.
Good luck getting TinySBS to work for you. If you have
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Hi,
I think it's time for a quick update...
A few weeks ago, I updated to 7.6.1. I had terrible time with the
initial full scan, and it took me many server restart to get through
the full scan. I commented on my experience here :
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=652049#post652049
FYI: Be sure to read the post on how to organize your music folders and
album art so as to not overload TinySB. BTW - welcome to the squeezebox
family.
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pwengland;610925 Wrote:
I am the owner of 2 older Squeezebox's and am thinking of buying 1 new
SB touch very much for the same reasons as Jean, I.e. Not wanting to
leave PCs or NAS running in the house.
I now have two SB, the Touch with HDD and the Radio. When only the
Radio is playing,
Well, I assume you all have shares in Logitech because you were all so
convincing, I just ordered my SBT! Overhere (Netherlands) it costs
around $335. But I do assume it's worth every penny.
I'll keep you informed...
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MDB
This is a great thread and congrats to Jean on such a comprehensive
overview.
I am the owner of 2 older Squeezebox's and am thinking of buying 1 new
SB touch very much for the same reasons as Jean, I.e. Not wanting to
leave PCs or NAS running in the house. The only thing I was wondering
is
rotho;609932 Wrote:
Just in case some people would have overlooked this, a bug in the
database has recently been fixed
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84931), and it makes a
HUGE difference for those using TinySB with a big collection of music.
AFAIC, I have approximately
Just in case some people would have overlooked this, a bug in the
database has recently been fixed
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84931), and it makes a
HUGE difference for those using TinySB with a big collection of music.
AFAIC, I have approximately 1900 albums / 600 Gb of
MDB;609821 Wrote:
With much interest I read the opening post. For over half a year I've
been doubting if I should buy a SB-Touch or not. The setup I want is
the same like Jeans: a Touch fed by an external USB-disk.
I don't like the thought of energyconsuming NAS under my desk, even my
toby10;609019 Wrote:
on your home menu it should show usb or sd device, select it and then
hit stop squeezebox server.
Now go to settings advanced squeezebox server wipe rescan
imo the wipe rescan should be an option from the usb/sd menu item.
thanks!
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aubuti;609034 Wrote:
Have you ever used Windows Media Player on your pc? If so, that is
probably where the annoying (imo) AlbumArtSmall.jpg and thumb.db files
come from. You may not see them on the pc because Windows may treat
them as hidden files. If you're not using WMP then you can safely
jean2;577337 Wrote:
I see a lot of people frustrated with making the Touch work
with an external USB hard drive. After some work and investigation,
I now have TinySB working as I want. I wanted to share my experience,
so that people who want to use TinySB have a better chance at success.
As I noted in my earlier post I use a 1 TB Toshiba Canvio Portable drive
directly attached to my Touch. It now has 16,900 FLAC files on it and
works fine. Logitech does not recommend a drive such as this because it
is not externally powered but it does work. I would suggest that you
search the
MDB;609821 Wrote:
With much interest I read the opening post. For over half a year I've
been doubting if I should buy a SB-Touch or not. The setup I want is
the same like Jeans: a Touch fed by an external USB-disk.
I don't like the thought of energyconsuming NAS under my desk, even my
Hello there
i am yet another new touch owner before i ran my music on a Duet, but
wanted to get away from having my pc running all the time neither am I
interested in buying a Nas..
so, enter the Touch #61514;
I use the built-in TinySB, with a 32gb USB stick, with appx. 4000
tracks on it
On your Home Menu it should show USB or SD device, select it and then
hit Stop SqueezeBox Server.
Now go to Settings Advanced SqueezeBox Server Wipe rescan
IMO the wipe rescan should be an option from the USB/SD menu item.
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rktdi;608999 Wrote:
When I look in my Music file on my pc, I see the mp3 files + 1 cover.jpg
file nothing else. When I look in the music file on the stick, after
transf. the music to it, there is several extra files
albumartsmall.jpg etc, and some thump files whats going on?
Have you
Mnyb;602040 Wrote:
Maybe he is using internet sharing over his PC and does not have a
router ?
There is a bug with the touch that it requires a network connection to
work even in local mode with USB HD . Internet does not need to work
just the network conection I think ? Note that it can
vzs;602169 Wrote:
Regarding letting things in standby mode: I'm not that concerned about
those few watts consumed but once a thunderstruck in the flat I'm
living burned my whole PC setup :( Nevertheless was my fault as I
haven't used any over voltage protection but since then I don't leave
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