DAVEH wrote:
> H..IF that (understanding) is correct, then I
> would say there are more than a few TTers who are
> squirming on their seats right now
Probably so... :-)
DaveH wrote:
> I feel that if I were to claim I don't sin,
> it would be hypocritical.
I agree. I'm not
DAVEH: So Kevin..Do you commit
sins???
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Guilty conscience?Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things
are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving
is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Hebrews
9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ,
who
Guilty conscience?
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH wrote:
> > I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory
> > to you in light of my above answer.
>
> Ah, yes, it does seem contradictory. Maybe I can help you believe in
> Jesus for deliverance from your sins. To do that, you must relinquish
> faith in an
DAVEH wrote:
> I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory
> to you in light of my above answer.
Ah, yes, it does seem contradictory. Maybe I can help you believe in
Jesus for deliverance from your sins. To do that, you must relinquish
faith in any religious systems on earth. You
DAVEH: I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory to you in light of my above answer. Like I have previously said.I'm not perfect. (Nor am I a Mormon poster child.)
So how are you going to progress, become perfect?
Going to happen on the other side?
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs
David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
> >> Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
> >> on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
> >> this life?
>
> DAVEH:
> > Yes.
>
> Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
> TruthTalk?
DAVEH: I don't recall b
David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
> >> Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
> >> on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
> >> this life?
>
> DAVEH:
> > Yes.
>
> Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
> TruthTalk?
DAVEH: I don't recall b
David Miller wrote:
>> Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
>> on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
>> this life?
DAVEH:
> Yes.
Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
TruthTalk? I have always understood from the way you have responded
that
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in BLUE...
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Let me
just say that my above explanation is only half the Garden of Eden
story. I merely explained as much as I did to answer your above request
to elaborate. Why do I always get the feeling you are
purposefully leaving out the
Let me just say that my above explanation is only half the Garden of Eden story. I merely explained as much as I did to answer your above request to elaborate.
Why do I always get the feeling you are purposefully leaving out the ugly parts. Like Blaines elipses convieniently replacing "born at
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in GREEN.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Without
the 'fall', there could be no 'salvation'Can you elaborate?
DAVEH: Sure Kevin. I'll
try to explain my thinking, but forgive me if I make some assumptions about
how I perceive the nature of salvation as I think you (and Pr
Read the NEXT verse![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy:
What scripture Kevin? I see nothing at all about tongues in
1 Cor 14:38 - why do you mention it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This scripture you quote has to do with Tongues[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Without the 'fa
Judy:
What scripture Kevin? I see nothing at all about tongues in
1 Cor 14:38 - why do you mention it?
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This scripture you quote has to do with
Tongues[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Without the 'fall', there could be
This scripture you quote has to do with Tongues[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Without the 'fall', there could be no 'salvation' Can you elaborate?Judy:I'm assuming this question is directed at DaveH but why question himso intently about his Mormon beliefs until TT be
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Without the 'fall', there could be no 'salvation'
Can you elaborate?
Judy:
I'm assuming this question is directed at DaveH but why question him
so intently about his Mormon beliefs until TT becomes a platform for
them lifting up a false Christ? Did Paul wri
Without the 'fall', there could be no 'salvation'
Can you elaborate?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
michael douglas wrote:
jt: I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it. Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that we should know he will
DAVEH: My most recent comments
are in PINK..
Kevin Deegan wrote:
FYI the 'Primitive Christians'
he is referring to were PAGANS
DAVEH: ??? Why would
pagans practice a Christian ordinance? That doesn't make sense to
me, Kevin. How do you define 'PAGANS'?
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
michael douglas wrote:
jt:
I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it.
Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that
we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But
then I've been doing a little research, and have read that your C
David Miller wrote:
> Dave Hansen wrote:
> > The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that
> > you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins
> > and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you
> > did not specifically say the following) that failure to
> > do so cau
DaveH: My most recent comments
are in GREEN..
Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH:
God had the ability to create a world without sin, and to offer an easy
salvation. But that is not the way he did it. jt:
God did create a world without sin and He does offer an easy salvation,
after all it was he wh
DAVEH: My latest post is in BLUE...
Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH:
??? Are you suggesting the people Paul referred to were not Christians?
Or...were not actually practicing baptism for the dead? jt:
I'm saying that in Corinth there were a lot of heresies and error and that
Paul used this one
he Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that
God lives, and etc". I always thought it was to attribute the work of the Holy
Spirit to Satan. (See Mark 3:22 through 3:29)
>From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTE
(See Mark 3:22 through 3:29)
>
>
> >From: Blaine R Borrowman
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:37:16 -0700
> >
> >For the record, the Mormon perspect
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:37:16 -0700
>
>For the record, the Mormon perspective on this
question:: The blasphemy
>against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having
Blaine wrote:
> I haven't seen you (or anyone, for that matter) show
> much of anything CONCLUSIVELY.
One of the main problems with "conclusive proof" is that unlike the
Bible, we do not have the gold plates which supposedly were used to
translate the texts. However, that is not the case with th
> [Original Message]
> From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/15/2003 2:51:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
>
>
>
**Someone put Dean writes: I did not write this Blaine (Below)
did.
>
> > >
Dean Moore wrote:
> >
> > For the record, the Mormon perspective on this question:: The blasphemy
> > against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having received a
> > perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that God
> > lives, and etc. Persons without this p
Blaine:There is nothing superficial about the working of the Holy Spirit. When I first heard that the Mormons had "another" Gospel, the Holy Spirit residing in me screamed that this was a lie. I did not need to know about all the lies within that Gospel to know that the whole thing was a
>
> For the record, the Mormon perspective on this question:: The blasphemy
> against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having received a
> perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that God
> lives, and etc. Persons without this perfect knowledge cannot com
f the Holy Spirit to Satan. (See Mark 3:22 through 3:29)
>From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:37:16 -0700
>
>For the record, the Mormo
For the record, the Mormon perspective on this question:: The blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having received a
perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that God
lives, and etc. Persons without this perfect knowledge cannot commit
this sin.
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:33:38 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I believe He was trying to say
If you know the truth
You will be able to identify error (or lies) by comparing it to the real
McCoy
BlaineRB: Sorry, I didn't see any real
comparisons shown--
patient.
Terry
---Original Message---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, December 13, 2003 20:34:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
BlaineRB: Yeah, Terry, I think I see what you are trying to say, but it seems like you are just
BlaineRB: Yeah, Terry, I think I see what you are
trying to say, but it seems like you are just labeling (so that when
someone presents a load of BS ). To say
Mormonism is a "load of BS," or "the lie sticks out like a hair on a
biscuit," is one thing, to show it is in that category is yet
> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2003 10:23:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
>
> Dean wrote:
> > *Hi David-I asked you a question earlier and failed
> > to r
Dean wrote:
> *Hi David-I asked you a question earlier and failed
> to read your answer. Again could you tell me if a
> person that speaks against the Holy Ghost can still
> become saved and enter heaven?
A person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven or saved. I
gave a more full
How dare youattack my integrity and then publicy do what you accuse me of. I think that is despicable.
* Kevin he did the same type of multiplication with me-by taking my words out of context of the original statement-Honesty must not be a part of the Mormon teachings or maybe when
Dave Hansen wrote:
> The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that
> you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins
> and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you
> did not specifically say the following) that failure to
> do so causes one to be cast into the lak
DAVEH SAYS: The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you did not specifically say the following) that failure to do so causes one to be cast into the lake of fire. As I rea
jt: I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it. Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But then I've been doing a little research, and have read that your Church believes that the
DAVEH: Kevin, I am not suggesting that the overall nature of
THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS does not encourage mankind to repent while in
mortality. SWK is very insistent that repenting is a major part of
our reason for existing in mortality. He also counsels against putting
off repenting until
YOU COULD NOT FIND
"The Prophet states you must be PERFECT NOW"
I CUT & PASTE SOME OF THE PARTS THAT TEACH THE ABOVE assures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is pe
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in GREEN...
Kevin Deegan wrote:
MY COMMENTS ARE BOLD & CAPITALIZED!STARTING
AT ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN ON PAGE 208WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING HEADING &
TEXTWE WILL CONTINUE THRU PG 209 TILL WE HIT 210 Repentant
Life Seeks Perfection One could multiply references almost ind
I Do Not cut & paste other's comments once in a great while, maybe.
I have every volume that I have quoted on TT.
Why I commented on the quotes? This ios the purpose of TT. I could simply post just quotes, but we are interested in discussion correct?
I was commenting and restating what is taught
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN...
Wednesday---Kevin wrote:
OK,
The Prophet states you must be PERFECT NOW
You state it can wait, you are not perfect now
Who is right?
Are you a General Authority, in order to contradict another General
Authority?
It says you MUS
MY COMMENTS ARE BOLD & CAPITALIZED!
STARTING AT ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN ON PAGE 208
WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING HEADING & TEXT
WE WILL CONTINUE THRU PG 209 TILL WE HIT 210
Repentant Life Seeks Perfection
One could multiply references almost indefinitely but enough has
been said to establish the point tha
As a
moderator of the list, I need to step in here and provide some guidance. I don’t
want misunderstandings to cause hard feelings toward one another. Please
bear with me as I try and share an outsider’s perspective here. I’m
not trying to take sides, just make some observations and a
I see that you are the one, who took the LIBERTY to MISQUOTE me!
It is actually you who is guilty of MISQUOTING. I am deeply offended that you would misqoute me & at the same time accuse me of that which you are guilty of!
You have put " " around my words.
It was not there; you did it. The PROOF is
ruths only to those who have proven their worthiness through secret oaths, grips, tokens, and penalties.
Perry
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -080
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Oh so NOW I am Misquoting.Please provide
an example just one will do.
DAVEH: When you below
quoted "WE MUST BECOME PERFECT NOW", that was NOT part of SWK's text.
With all the LDS quotes I have posted this should be a EASY thing
to do. If it were only so.
DAVEH: SWK did not
DaveH wrote:
> Until I know what you and DavidM define it, I can't say
> one way or the other. All I can tell you is what I
> understand the Bible says..and that is that without
> baptism, one cannot be fully saved.
For the record, I do NOT believe that baptism is a requirement without
w
FYI the 'Primitive Christians' he is reffering to were PAGANS
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN...
jt: Where do you read that without baptism one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of the early Christians practiced b
Oh so NOW I am Misquoting.
Please provide an example just one will do. With all the LDS quotes I have posted this should be a EASY thing to do. If it were only so.
Trying to poisen the well?
If you can discredit me, then maybe others will not listen. If the facts are facts, then they are able to
DAVEH: God had the ability to
create a world without sin, and to offer an easy salvation. But that is
not the way he did it.
jt: God did create a world without sin
and He does offer an easy salvation, after all it was he who provided the
lamb.
*DAVEH: And did he not also provide
DAVEH: My latest post is
in GREEN...
jt: Where do you read that without baptism
one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of the early
Christians practiced baptism for the dead. Otherwise, it would have not
been necessary (in their eyes.)
jt: It wasn't
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH:
In order for one to feel "comfortable", as you put it, one does not
have to know the truth. One only has to believe that one knows the truth.
DAVEH: Do you suppose that is true (and I did not mean that as a
pun) on both sides of the fence, Perry?
--
~~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH:
God had the ability to create a world without sin, and to offer an easy
salvation. But that is not the way he did it.
jt: God did create a world without
sin and He does offer an easy salvation, after all it was he who provided
the lamb.
*DAVEH: And did he
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN..
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH:
No, not at all. The Lord's plan of "salvation" was infinitely better
than the Adversary's plan. (I could explain why, but some in TT would
accuse me of preaching Mormonism, or even worse!) To me, the plan
of salvation as enve
Kevin Deegan wrote:
CMON Davethere
is more to the story than you let on here.Why not fill her in on
the "fall upward"?
DAVEH: I don't recall her
asking.
I agree that a caring person would not place someone
in a situation that is harmful.
DAVEH: So then let me ask
you, Kevin..From your per
DAVEH: My latest post is
in GREEN...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jt: Where do
you read that without baptism one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of
the early Christians practiced baptism for the dead. Otherwise, it
would have not been necessary (in their
DaveH:
In order for one to feel "comfortable", as you put it, one does not have to know the truth. One only has to believe that one knows the truth.
cpl
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] T
DAVEH: No, not at all. The Lord's plan of "salvation" was infinitely better than the Adversary's plan. (I could explain why, but some in TT would accuse me of preaching Mormonism, or even worse!) To me, the plan of salvation as enveloped in the gospel has a grand an noble purpose that requires
CMON Dave there is more to the story than you let on here.
Why not fill her in on the "fall upward"? I agree that a caring person would not place someone in a situation that is harmful.
But again that too does not conform to LDS doctrine. CMON Dave, I am starting to think that you are being purpose
DAVEH: My latest post is in
RED...
DaveH: pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the
questions I posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have
prevented it?' which tells me you do not understan
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
DaveH: pretend world".
The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the questions I
posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could
have pre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DaveH: pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I
live in answers the questions I posed to you (and others in
TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have
prevented it?' which tells me you do not underst
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: I do admit to feeling rather comfortable in my
"pretend
world". The reason for
that is that the world I live in answers the questions I posed to you (and
others in TT.)
> I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have prevented
it?' whi
10, 2003 7:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value
of Sin?
In a message dated 12/9/2003 6:21:39 AM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
"that day"?
Could it not be that he preached in
In a message dated 12/9/2003 6:21:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended "that day"?Could it not be that he preached in the heart of the earth for threedays, rose from the dead, then entered heaven and ministered in thetem
To me, it seems obvious, so I sometimes do not use all the words that I should to convey my meaning to others. Take it like this. If you are the owner of an orange grove, you know what oranges look like, where they come from, how much a box of oranges weighs, sell for, etc. Now, if
DAVEH: I do admit to feeling rather comfortable in my
"pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the
questions I posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: How sad that your god is so small
DaveH, just like a man isn't he? I don't believe you have ever serious
DAVEH: My latest post is
RED...
Judy Taylor wrote:
To me it seems pretty logical that if
God revealed his secrets to prophets in Bible times, he would continue doing
so afterwards.even unto this day. I have heard that some Christians
believe the heavens are sealed though
Kevin Deegan wrote:
judgment follows
death by some time
Do you believe in a Mormon purgatory?
DAVEH: You'll have to define it for me, Kevin.
That term is foreign to LDS theology.
Are you guys general Authorities?
DAVEH: Naw. (At least I'm not,
and if Blaine isI think he is ju
Terry Clifton wrote:
So Terry, do you agree
with my above explanation of why you misunderstand the perceived salvation
of the thief?
No. I believe that you are appointed once to die,
and then the judgment. If you are not saved when you draw your last
breath, you will open your eyes in
DAVEH: My latest post is RED...
Judy Taylor wrote:
To me it
seems pretty logical that if God revealed his secrets to prophets in Bible
times, he would continue doing so afterwards.even unto this day.
I have heard that some Christians believe the heavens are sealed though.do
you bel
judgment follows death by some time
Do you believe in a Mormon purgatory?
Are you guys general Authorities?
The prophets words are scripture. He does not have to say "thus saith the Lord"
The Prophet Spencer W Kimball said
"Christ became perfect through overcoming. Only as we overcome shall we bec
Judy wrote:> You are accusing me of writing > something I
never wrote.
Sorry, Judy, but I wasn't accusing you of anything.
I apparently misunderstood you and so I asked for you
to clarify your understanding.
You had written the following:> The thief went to Paradise with
Jesus that ve
Judy wrote:
> You are accusing me of writing
> something I never wrote.
Sorry, Judy, but I wasn't accusing you of anything. I apparently
misunderstood you and so I asked for you to clarify your understanding.
You had written the following:
> The thief went to Paradise with Jesus that very day
David Miller wrote to Judy:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
"that day"? Could it not be that he preached in the heart
of the earth for three days, rose from the dead, then
entered heaven and ministered in the temple there, then
led Paradise to heaven at that time?
I believe He was trying to say
If you know the truth
You will be able to identify error (or lies) by comparing it to the real McCoy
I have heard it said that Bank employees & Treasury agents do not take a class in Identifying, Forgery or Counterfieting. They are so familiar with the real thing, h
To me, it seems obvious, so I sometimes do not use all the words that I should to convey my meaning to others. Take it like this. If you are the owner of an orange grove, you know what oranges look like, where they come from, how much a box of oranges weighs, sell for, etc. Now, if you we
Hi terry, I just HAD to butt in on your conversation with DavidH. You
said, " If you know the truth, you will know a lie, even though you
have not studied the lie."
I am amazed you could write this contradiction. Are you sure this is
what you meant?
Shalom, BlaineRB
.So Terry, do you agree with my above explanation of why you misunderstand the perceived salvation of the thief?
No. I believe that you are appointed once to die, and then the judgment. If you are not saved when you draw your last breath, you will open your eyes in hell
David Miller wrote to Judy:
> What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
> "that day"? Could it not be that he preached in the heart
> of the earth for three days, rose from the dead, then
> entered heaven and ministered in the temple there, then
> led Paradise to heaven at that
Judy wrote:
> The thief went to Paradise with Jesus that very day
> ascended with the rest of the ppl in Abraham's bosom
> with Jesus when he ascended but he was in Paradise
> with him THAT DAY.
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended "that day"?
Could it not be that he prea
To me it seems pretty logical that if God
revealed his secrets to prophets in Bible times, he would continue doing so
afterwards.even unto this day. I have heard that some Christians
believe the heavens are sealed though.do you believe such?
jt: No I don't and I'd like to point o
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in PINK...
Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH:
To whom the prophets does he reveal those secretsAmos 3:7"Surely the
Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants
the prophets." jt: Please don't follow this by claiming
that Joseph Smith is
DAVEH: My latest reply is in
GREEN
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
Do you suppose the 'salvation' Jesus referred to coming to Zacchaeus' house
(Lk 19:9) might refer to the author of salvation (Jesus) abiding
at his house (Lk 19:5)? > the cross, both of which would seem to
punch holes
David Miller wrote:
>> Are you seriously going to say that Martin Luther's
>> teaching on this matter was not from the Scriptures?
Judy wrote:
> If he taught baptismal regeneration, yes I would say that.
You speak as if you have not read Martin Luther's Scriptural arguments
for baptismal regener
Judy wrote:
Regeneration by baptism is NOT a scriptural teaching.
dm: This statement seems rather arrogant to me. Surely you must
understand that very good students of the Scriptures have held to
regeneration by baptism. For example, Martin Luther believed it.
jt: Something is either true o
Judy wrote:
> Regeneration by baptism is NOT a scriptural teaching.
This statement seems rather arrogant to me. Surely you must understand
that very good students of the Scriptures have held to regeneration by
baptism. For example, Martin Luther believed it. Luther was a champion
of saved by gr
DAVEH: Do you suppose the 'salvation' Jesus
referred to coming to Zacchaeus' house (Lk 19:9) might refer to the
author of salvation (Jesus) abiding at his house (Lk 19:5)?
> the cross, both of which would seem to
punch holes in your argument,
DAVEH: My latest comments are in
BLUE...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: The point I'm
trying to make (and find out why Protestants believe as they do), is that
God could have created us and the world that way (devoid of the problems)
from Day 1. Yet for some reason
David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
> >> Jesus was convicted of being seditious.
>
> DAVEH:
> > A trumped up charge...
>
> Of course, but from my perspective, street preachers often suffer
> similar trumped up charges. Now I grant you that there are loony
> zealots out there too that
DAVEH: TerryWhile searching
my old posts to respond to Dean, I discovered that I had previously posted
a reply to your below question. My latest post is in RED.
My previous post to you of May 15 of this year is in BLUE...
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
While baptism in
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in BLUE...
Judy Taylor wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: The point I'm
trying to make (and find out why Protestants believe as they do), is that
God could have created us and the world that way (devoid of the problems)
from Day 1. Yet for some reason, h
DAVEH: My latest post is in BLUE
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
While baptism in itself will not save anybody, I firmly believe without
baptism, one cannot be saved. (Mk 16:16 and Jn 3:5) C'mon
Dave:Read Luke.
Start at 19:2 and read down to 19:9.
DAVEH: I read it, and I think
the me
DAVEH: While baptism in itself
will not save anybody, I firmly believe without baptism, one cannot be
saved. (Mk 16:16 and Jn 3:5)
C'mon Dave:
Read Luke. Start at 19:2 and read down
to 19:9. You will find a little fellow that was saved with no mention of
baptism. S
DAVEH: My latest comments are in
GREEN...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: The point I'm trying to make (and find out
why Protestants believe as they do), is that God could have created us and the
world that way (devoid of the problems) from Day 1. Yet for some reason,
he al
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