Abd wrote:
And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that a
capacitor couldn't supply
the instantaneous current needed. Put enough capacitance in there and you
could vaporize the
conductors if you shorted it.
According to Sean, its not a matter of having enough
Very interesting comment section here...
http://www.physorg.com/news182184493.html Quantum fluctuations are key in
superconductors
A guy with a login of Johanfprins makes several statements claiming to have a
good model for
superconduction and can make them to operate at room temp, or even
Wikipedia's use of CF as an example for 'science by concensus' and 'burden of
proof'...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
About 4/5s the way down the page.
Examples in science
As a general rule, the less coherent and less embedded within conventional
knowledge a claim
appears, the
Yes, it does...
I can remember a college lecture in some science-related class (think it might
have been ethology),
where the point of one of the prof's lectures what to avoid using 'cute' or
'descriptive' labels for
things in your research papers...
I guess I just find it very sad that
Could these be used instead of CR39 for LENR research...
http://www.adsem.com/gpage4.html
-Mark
The energy is stored in the mag fld, not the inductor.
Also, I've seen orbos that seemed to have a core with the toroid, and some that
didn't, or at least
it certainly didn't look like there was a core. I also was under the impression
that the stator
cores were NOT PMs, but simply iron cores.
What an excellent Christmas present for the field of LENR research...
Merry Christmas all!
-Mark
_
From: Steven Krivit [mailto:stev...@newenergytimes.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit Elsevier Encyclopedia Articles
Mauro wrote:
maybe they are trying to make alternative energy INVESTORS to look like fools,
and make them spend
their money in a bogus project, so they don't invest it in a real one, and are
afraid to invest in
another in the future.
Which would give them more time to perfect the technology
Hoyt (the Insider) Stearns wrote, :-)
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way
to modify some parameters of the device.
In watching the Launch 2009 video where some closeups and animations are shown,
they show what looks
like a small
Its explained in the YouTube video,
Steorn Orbo Technology Launch 2009
The lower two rotors are a motor with PMs on the rotors and small coils
(electromagnets?) on the
stator. The EMs obviously require some DC electricity. The topmost rotor is a
small generator which
produces AC. To charge
Horace wrote:
I don't know why a neutron would not act like a neutron.
Let me take a stab at that one...
Perhaps because it's in a fully D-loaded palladium lattice, where other things
aren't acting like
they 'should'? ;-) Yeah, I know, that wasn't much help...
-Mark
-Original
Today's 'serendipitous surfing' led me to this...
Anyone familiar with Prof. Oliver K. Manuel's work/ideas on neutron emission?
Identify ways to utilize the energy released in neutron emission - the largest
known energy source.
For example, the rest mass converted to useful energy is ~0.1% in
This is pretty cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi7Srd-LSeE
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:terrifying online videos
Danyk666 and his microwave oven (Czech
Here is an analysis of CRU source code used in some of the models:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/crus_source_code_climategate_r.html
But here's what's undeniable: If a divergence exists between measured
temperatures and those
derived from dendrochronological data after (circa) 1960,
Errors found in final version, so far:
Some of the affidavits suggest that Butt have [had] been subjected to coercion
by the senior
professors who were conducting the fact-finding.
...has been demonstrated to be out [missing] of it's jurisdiction.
-Mark
_
From: Steven Krivit
I must be brain-dead... sorry 'bout that post.
I obviously meant it to go to Steve... :-/
-Mark
_
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: NET Bubble Fusion Story
Errors found in final
yeah, I deserved that!
:-)
I was really trying to show all those OCD Vorts how few grammatical errors
there are in your very
lengthy, detailed, and fact-filled investigative articles! :-)
-Mark
_
From: Steven Krivit [mailto:stev...@newenergytimes.com]
Sent: Monday, November 23,
Thanks for the reminder...
That was actually the result of hitting Send before thinking about it! It was
late and I was dozing
off! :-)
-Mark
_
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please
This just out at PhysOrg... (see at bottom of msg)
What I find funny, in a sad kind of way, is the following statement:
So you have one set of data that tells you the mass-dependence picture doesn't
work and another
that tells you the density-dependence picture doesn't work, Arrington
Steve:
I really don't think it was a good idea to post her phone msg transcript!
She must be itchin' to get fired... this will make it back to her superiors.
-Mark
_
From: Steven Krivit [mailto:stev...@newenergytimes.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:26 PM
To:
Mark Iverson would like to recall the message, [Vo]:ONR Inspector General
Helps New Energy Times
Break Story.
attachment: winmail.dat
She must be one gutsy lady!
And a good moral compass and high degree of integrity...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ONR Inspector General Helps New Energy Times
Steve wrote:
...but it has been re-assigned.
As has she...
Boy, they sure didn't waste any time did they! ;-)
That's whatcha get for tryin to do the right thing nowadays...
How did it get so bad?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Steven Krivit [mailto:stev...@newenergytimes.com]
Sent:
, November 20, 2009 5:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton's internal structure...
On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
This just out at PhysOrg... (see at bottom of msg)
What I find funny, in a sad kind of way, is the following statement:
So you have one set
RE: the discussion about chain reactions in LENR-type experiments...
Not sure if I got the below reference from vortex-l or not, but, in a general
sense, it seems that
it is saying that under certain conditions, normally incoherent behavior can
suddenly become
coherent... i.e., the behavior of
Mark Iverson wrote:
Jed, then you've got some extremely liberal definition of 'insider'!
I was using the skeptics' definition. As I said, one of them called Duncan a
charlatan because he
concluded that Energetics Technology is correctly measuring 0.8 W in, ~20 W
out. Any sane expert
Mark Iverson wrote:
Duncan has now become an insider, by that definition.
No, I disagree. Has he set up a lab and done some experiments? No.
Yes, he has now. That's my point.
I am pleased he has!
My point was that at the time of the 60-Minutes piece, he most certainly
I think this is an important statement...
However, if by experts they mean Mosier-Boss, McKubre, etc., then less so
since these people,
altho certainly experts, are also insiders.
I would hope that at least some of the experts were people who have never done
any LENR research...
-Mark
Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Mark Iverson wrote:
However, if by experts they mean Mosier-Boss, McKubre, etc., then less so
since these people,
altho certainly experts, are also insiders.
I would hope that at least some of the experts were people who have never
done any LENR
So the Intelligence community of the DoD looked into LENR, decided that
there's enough sound
scientific evidence to suggest that LENR just might be real, and because of the
most extraordinary
ramifications if it is real, is, with this report, warning government agencies
and the scientific
For those who want to explore the criticisms of Relativity theory, there is a
journal that focuses
on that. From their Editorial Policy:
Galilean Electrodynamics aims to publish high-quality scientific papers that
discuss challenges to
accepted orthodoxy in physics, especially in the realm of
Who was it that was using RF to enhance the CF/LENR reaction???
This from PhysOrg.com...
http://www.physorg.com/news175281818.html
As the authors report in an upcoming issue of Physical Review A, the
radio-frequency (RF) radiation
could serve as a second knob, in addition to the more
Yet another example of how the ego totally screws up the (scientific) process...
Imagine where civilization could be now if ego's weren't involved...
-Mark
_
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
Jed wrote:
Fleischmann told me he has had the problem for a long time.
I'm outraged, how could you be so insensitive to reveal in a public forum
personal health details
that someone told you!!!
Me thinks this touches an emotional 'button' for both Jed and ABD... And that
comment Jed made
This sort of thing makes me wonder about scientists, or the scientific
'process'...
For those of you more familiar with the details of atomic/molecular physics,
can you please explain
why you would even think that the magnetic orientation/properties of copper
atoms in covalent bonds
would be
If I understand Jed's requirements, he is asking for image-over-text, which
means the image file is
what one sees, but that there is text associated with each image that allows
one to do full text
searches. Thus, there is NO reason for Dr. Schwartz's concern about 'editing',
since the original
Dr. Swartz:
You should read carefully Stephen Lawrence's post today, 9/30/2009, at 6:16PM.
You might want to recind your comment since Stephen included quotes from as far
back as 5 Dec 2004
which CLEARLY show that Jed has ALWAYS admitted that he got the CD from you,
but that he couldn't
read
There is, it's just overcome by the forces causing the separation of charge...
Understand that just as in a chemical battery, there is an active process
keeping the charges
separated, and it has to do with the turbulent columns of air moving vertically
inside the cloud.
It's been about
I see more and more instances of when some research is finding things that
don't quite agree with
'theory' or 'whats expected', and it always involves some kind of experiment
where a physical
parameter is way beyond what science has explored. I distinctly remember a
quote from one scientist
In this article:
Breaking the Planck's law, at the nanoscale
http://www.physorg.com/news168101848.html
http://www.physorg.com/news168101848.html
One of the authors states:
Current theory will not be valid once we push down to 1 nanometer spacing.
Which is something that I've been
LOL!!! That was hilarious! Thx Stephen...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com]
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to Build a UFO
Terry Blanton wrote:
Speaking of UFOs on a slow Sunday, this guy
Stephen wrote:
Let's stop right there. The 'present', for any observer, has zero thickness
along that observer's
time axis.
What is zero thickness for a human could be a lifetime at the subatomic level...
It all depends on what scale you're talking about... And don't mix scales!
-Mark
, for
example, are a fact. I
see nothing wrong with identifying such groups when they are likely to act in a
particular way as a
group.
Ed
On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Ed:
Although a significant proportion of the wealthy and powerful are
jewish (and they probably worked
Ed:
Although a significant proportion of the wealthy and powerful are jewish (and
they probably worked
hard and smart to get there), I think you could have left the religious
background out of your
statement and it still would have been accurate...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From:
FYI:
Favorable CF article in EDN (Electronic Design News)...
http://www.edn.com/blog/40040/post/1750043575.html?nid=2431rid=4465865
Comment section overall pretty reasonable, but with a few of the usual ignorant
armchair scientists
that are still parroting 20 year-old info. They obviously
When I replicated the ball-bearing (marinov) motor about 12 years ago, I
thought it might have
something to do with longitudinal forces ala the Graneaus (Ampere-Neumann
electrodynamics), since it
only seemed to manifest with large currents. I didn't have an amp meter back
then, but what kind
is both confusing to me (I
held back evidence
that supports my case) and to me somewhat hostile.
Hopefully this is simply misunderstanding on both sides.
2009/6/24 Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
Bill wrote:
I suggest that it's a VERY bad idea to try distorting results by concealing
any parts
Bill wrote:
I suggest that it's a VERY bad idea to try distorting results by concealing
any parts of it.
Concealment is an element of deception, that's why the legal phrase says the
WHOLE truth. Such
concealment is what manipulative people do. You'd best avoid it.
Bill, you're much to
!
;-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:20 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
From: Mark Iverson
Steven:
I did watch the video clip and would disagree with your above
statement
Steven wrote:
The point behind this meandering follow-up post is the fact that the bubble
rings these dolphins
were manufacturing, once formed, were exceedingly stable as they traveled
through the much more
dense medium of water. They were quite circular as well. Now, consider the fact
that
Hey Jed, time to go take a vacation and get some RR... Go climb a mountain
with your kids. By the
time you get back, Bill will have ended the ban...you won't even know it was in
effect!
Come to think of it, I could really use a vacation too. Now, should I use the
'p' word, or the 'r'
word???
Thanks for the info Robin... I forgot about slow light; and I think there was
an article in the last
6 months about a group of researchers actually stopping light. That's a little
too beam me up for
my taste. But my original posting was this:
Has anyone heard of a 'photonic battery'...
Has anyone heard of a 'photonic battery'... i.e., a way to store and
controllably release photons?
-Mark
be interested in this as well.
My thought concept was a sphere, as perfectly mirrored as possible
inside, but of a material similar to two way glass, so that a matching
but opposite piece in physical contact allows passage of light. vacuum
seam it.
2009/6/10 Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
FYI,
The Crime of Reason and the Closing of the Scientific Mind
Robert D. Laughlin, Reviewed by Edward Gerjuoy
Basic Books, New York, 2008. $25.95 (186 pp.). ISBN 978-0-465-00507-9
-Mark
Grok is a coward.
If he really believed what he was preaching, then he wouldn't be afraid to use
his real name.
I think most everyone I'm aware of on this list has apologized at one time or
another... It's what a
person with integrity does when they realize their mistake or transgression.
The
2009, Mark Iverson wrote:
I think most everyone I'm aware of on this list has apologized at one
time or another... It's what a person with integrity does when they
realize their mistake or transgression.
Trademarks of the troll/flamer/fsckhead are, refusal to apologize, plus use of
anonymous
And one would think that this motor is a gutless wonder.
Not so fast, but the motor is. Here are basic specs:
HP2g Specs:
- V8 Engine
- 400 HP (horsepower)
- 500 Ft. Lbs. Tq. (foot pounds of torque)
- 110 MPGe (miles per gallon energy equivalent)
- E-85 (ethanol fuel)
- Made in the USA
.
Competitive forces trying to delay that effort??? Fortunately, in this evil,
obsolete capitalistic
society, Doug has plenty of interested investors to move this technology to
market.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:09 AM
? the albedo of the earth is indeed changing.
2009/6/3 Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net:
Or has the balance always been there?
Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi has quite a distinguished scientific career,
including a number of years at NASA Langley.
It's a long read, but well worth it...
http
There was also a woman archaeologist who was studying digs in Mexico or
elsewhere in Central/South
America that strongly supported the conclusion that modern man has been in the
Americas much longer
than is the current mainstream thinking... Can't remember her name, but she was
having a very
Or has the balance always been there?
Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi has quite a distinguished scientific career, including a
number of years at
NASA Langley.
It's a long read, but well worth it...
http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/ZM-MF_short.pdf
And here is one of his later peer-reviewed
research
Are you refering to Virginia Steen-McIntyre ?
Chuck Kinney
- Original Message -
From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Need big list of legit heretical research
There was also a woman archaeologist who
: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
That was unfair, mean spirited, and does not belong in this conversation.
Alex
2009/5/31 Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net:
I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors
I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had.
Ask grok...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
That makes sense.
Unfortunately, the iron stator magnet does not hold its charge very
well (an inherent issue with that type of magnet in any context), ...
[deletions]
Mylow said that there is a shop near him that he takes his stator
magnet to re-magnetize it.
Correct me if I missed something, but the
I think I figured it out... Grok is not a real person.
It’s a mediocre computer sci student's implementation of the Turing Test!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
Barely passing grade if you ask me.
But it'd probably keep the shrinks busy for a few hours.
;-)
-Mark
-Original
Out of all the comments on the 60-minutes website, there is ONE reasonable
critique which shows the
person put some effort to research the subject matter and he asks some
legitimate questions. I'd be
very interested in reading Jed's, Ed's and any other Vorts' analysis of this
gentlemen's
Jed wrote:
So many energy problems could have been solved by now, and so many lives
saved, if only scientists
had done their job.
It sure seems that when we most needed science, it failed us, utterly. Well,
not the 'institution'
of science, but the scientists turned politicians. And what do
Are the hot fusioneers so threatened by what's going on with CF that they are
now trying to relabel
their projects as 'cold fusion'???
The second paragraph of the NIF article starts out with this...
Cold fusion is one of the main goals of scientific research today, for the
simple reason that
Perhaps he was just reporting what the scientist told him... In which case, the
scientists really
are threatened by the recent developments in CF!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Horace:
Have you ever been to Kodiak Island?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:22 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sakaurajima volcano erupts
On Mar 10, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A
This sounds too good to be true... a wind generator that doesn't need any wind!
HYPERLINK
http://pesn.com/2009/03/11/9501531_Boswell_windless_turbine/http://pesn.com/2009/03/11/9501531_Bos
well_windless_turbine/
-Mark
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.557 /
Well, it's great to see that one inventor who bucked the establishment seems to
have come out on
top...
Let's pray that LENR/CF is right behind him...
HYPERLINK
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2000/ip3.htmhttp://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2000/ip3.htm
HYPERLINK
Hmmm, mention of Griggs is nowhere to be seen on their website. Have I got him
mixed up w/some
other water-related technology, Hydro-Catalysis perhaps??? Did he not live to
see it succeed?
-Mark
_
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:36
Mr. Klum wrote:
... when provisional patents were discontinued some 13 months prior?
I'm not sure since english is probably not your native language, but are you
saying that provisional
patents are no longer accepted by the Patent Office? In the U.S., they sure as
hell are... after
doing
A little bit of the opposing evidence...
HYPERLINK
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st279/st279.pdfhttp://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st279/st279.pdf
-Mark
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AM
So what? Here's a place that has 31,072 petition signatures, all with degrees,
nearly half with
PhDs/MDs.
Science is NOT done by concensus!
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_BY_State.html
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GWPP/Review_Article.html
-Mark
Interesting...
See the list of quakes here:
http://www.quake.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html
This looks exactly like what Reno had less than a year ago... I think they
called it and eq
'swarm'... Literally hundreds of small eqs per day, with the largest being
between 4 and
!!!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:36 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Predictions for 2009
Interesting...
See the list of quakes here:
http://www.quake.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps
If we're talking stocks, have a look at a local outfit...
www.nevadaexploration.com
Check out the presentation on the results of Phase-I drilling at Fletcher
Junction...
www.tsx.com symbol NGE; on the american side it trades under the symbol NVDEF.
Just to be up front about it, I do own
Virtual... Schmirtual!
The only reason physics uses the term 'virtual' is due to the inadequacies of
the theories
(mathematical equations) to properly model physical reality! If one looks at
spacetime as being a
seething plenum of random oscillations of some fundamental 'stuff ' at
extremely
Horace:
I'll take your word on the fact that Nevada Gaming Regs allow for a min of 75%,
but typical payouts
are 88% to 96%. The min that I have seen is 84% -- I live in Reno, Nevada.
The complementary term
is called '%-Hold', which is what the casino ends up with out of 'total money
wagered'
, Randumb, Randumber
On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Horace:
I'll take your word on the fact that Nevada Gaming Regs allow for a
min of 75%, but typical payouts are 88% to 96%. The min that I have
seen is 84% -- I live in Reno, Nevada. The complementary term is
called '%-Hold
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Randum , Randumb, Randumber
On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Horace:
I'll take your word on the fact that Nevada Gaming Regs allow for a
min of 75%, but typical payouts are 88% to 96%. The min that I have
seen is 84% -- I live in Reno, Nevada
When plate boundary stresses build up to a critical level, you get a local
rupturing (fracturing) of
the crust. What is that critical level?? Just like climate change and many
other elements of
nature that are too complex to fully understand, it depends on numerous things,
like the type of
Alrighty then... [images of Jim Carey and a weird hairdoo]
I think it'd be great if this worked! Here's a guy who, although taking alot
of college science
classes still doesn't have a degree and no funding, and comes up with a very
elegent and simple
solution...
And if you dismiss him
-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Planet needs a cooler? Ace to the rescue!
Mark Iverson wrote:
And if you dismiss him outright because he doesn't have a degree,
shame on you
Frankly, I think this guy would fit right in at the dime box saloon...
Inventor's 'refrigeration system' for planet
If you know of anyone who has a solid track-record of designing successful
RF/microwave circuits
into the 10s of Ghz, please have them get in touch w/me... also looking for
expertise in EM modeling
of RF signals in biological tissue, and finally data mining/algorithm
development.
-Mark
In the Comments section of the webpage that Steve posted is the following
comment...
Anybody heard of this guy/biz?
-Mark
My company, Black Super-hydrino Power (BSP) has a working prototype using a
slightly different
technology. It’s also based
After rereading it, this sounds like an uninformed skeptic posting a sarcastic
comment...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:First commercial license
Forgot to mention that the wording on this article,
...can covert energy at a 100 percent increase...
seems to imply 100% 'increase' over the acoustic energy put in
What, OU behavior? Well, we all know that those scientists must be
'delusional'...
BTW, I'd like to correct one thing in my
actually improve the energy-harvesting capacity by 100 percent.
So the scientist was more accurate in his wording than the journalist...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo
I'm reading from latest posting, backwards, so it's not in the least surprising
that this thread now
has nothing to do with oil as the subject line suggests!!! :-) Given that,
and just wanting to
stir the pot a bit...
Jed writes:
As far as I am concerned, they should put automatic sensors
Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs
By Karen McMahan
November 04, 2008
RALEIGH Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on
proposals to confiscate
workers personal retirement accounts including 401(k)s and IRAs and
convert them to
subjects seem to generate personal attacks while the science does
not. I'm sure once the
electron is over, we will go back to the personally neutral subject of science.
Ed
On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Ed wrote:
As usual, your emotions get the better of logic
Tell me how
Thomas:
Do you mean John Schnurer, of Xenia/Yellow Springs Ohio, whose father taught at
Antioch college?
-Mark
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From: thomas malloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark Iverson wrote:
Thomas:
Do you mean John Schnurer, of Xenia/Yellow Springs Ohio, whose father taught
at Antioch college?
Yes
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-Mark
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On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:13 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Ed
if past actions
are not personal enough to get your acrimony.
Ed
On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Gee Ed, I don't know any christians, buddists, scientologists or any
other belief systems that want to wipe out other belief systems; that
would strap bombs on their children
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