Re: [RBW] Last Minute notice. Missing Link 40th Anniversary Party

[Hetchins52]

The "History of Suntour" display is across the street in one of the windows 
of the repair shop, east side of Shattuck Ave.

David
Berkeley

On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:28:09 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got my first Bstone there, and worked on it many times in the loaner tools 
> section (before I had my own tools). Somewhere around there is a board with 
> a "History of Suntour" rear derailer collection. Awesome shop.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:29:43 PM UTC-8, Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Wow! That brings back memories...
>> My mother raced for the Missing Link in 1976.  Being only ten years old 
>> at that time, I had no idea that the store was only three years old.
>> I can still picture Mom in her wool Missing Link jersey and leather 
>> hairnet "helmet".
>> Go Mom!!!
>>
>> cheers,
>> Andrew
>>
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>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:42 PM
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Last Minute notice. Missing Link 40th Anniversary Party
>>  
>> Missing Link in Berkeley is having their 40th Anniversary Party.  It's 
>> open to the public, with the intent that it's for friends of the Link. 
>>  It's $5 at the door, but it's free for ex-employee/members like myself 
>> (1993-2001).  It's from 7 to 10PM tonight.  If I see you there then I'll 
>> see you there!  
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[RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Philip Williamson]

It's the Hello Kitty! duct tape of the guitar world. 

It's not the Hello Kitty *guitar* of the guitar world, though. My boss was 
marketing director of Sanrio during their big expansion, and was... 
*instrumental* in getting Fender's Hello Kitty guitar produced. (This fun 
fact brought to you by Anderson Valley IPA)

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, November 18, 2013 10:15:08 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> This paintjob (I think it is Fender's Blue Flower 
>> [paint-over-silver-foil?]) would be awesome as bartape:
>>
>

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[RBW] Cable Management (or) More Twine

[Christopher Chen]

Set up my light tonight.

Originally I was going to zip tie along the rack to the hub, but I didn't
have any small zip ties. I figured while I had the time and the twine I'd
teach myself the lost practice of cable lacing.

It doesn't look too bad.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10940146796/

Not sure how this'll hold up, but hey.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Philip Williamson]

That's my wife's line on my orange Riv wool long sleeve jersey-thing. 
"Well that's nice. No one's going to hit you... by accident."

Philip
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On Monday, November 18, 2013 4:48:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> 'Nother anecdote (you asked for it). Years ago I had several Performance 
> LS jerseys in an incredibly bright and neon greenery-yellow. I wore them 
> everywhere I biked to, which included school (middle aged MBA program), 
> stores, church, and so on. People all would wince when they saw me, but our 
> priest at the time said it best: "They won't hit you by accident, but they 
> might do it on purpose."
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, ascpgh >wrote:
>
>>
>> I was in Jackson, WY summer before last and in an effort to have the 
>> clothing for the spectrum of conditions expected I tossed in an old 
>> Synchilla Snap-T in the most horrific tennis ball yellow ("acid" in that 
>> year's catalogue) my wife wore often and I had a full zip Marmot rough 
>> fleece jacket with me. Folks called us out for those two garments every 
>> day, each is over 25 years old. Once had a guy in a grocery check out line 
>> tell me he bought the same Snap-T for his grand mom in the nursing home 
>> because he was sure no one would steal it. Color palette attractiveness 
>> changes as much as sizing, although much less objective as sizing. 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Philip Williamson]

I'd buy that. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, November 18, 2013 9:47:27 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> I vote for faux harlequin wrap, with the design built in for us wrapping 
> morons. 
> On Nov 19, 2013 12:42 AM, "Mike" > wrote:
>
>> What's next for Newbaum's? Jimi Hendrix black-light purple? 
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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Howard]

Hi Tom,

I'm a fellow lurker and, like you, I am waiting on a new Sam. 

I selected the albas mainly because my other bike has drops and I wanted a 
bit of variety in the stable.

The way I see it you can't go wrong with either one.

-Howard

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:26:21 PM UTC-5, Tom Mainelli wrote:
>
> I've been lurking for some time, so I thought I'd introduce myself as I 
> enter the home stretch of a long wait for my Sam. My name is Tom, I cover 
> tech for a living, and I live near Rivendell's now two stores (!). I have 
> been in to chat with Grant, Will, Jared, Vince and others on several 
> occasions (and Rich built me some swt wheels for my current ride). I 
> even got to borrow a Sam for two days (which has got to seal the deal with 
> 99.9% of buyers).
>
> So the question I've been pondering--as so many Riv converts probably 
> do--is do I start with drop bars or should I cut to the chase and get the 
> Albatross (the clear fave of most staffers)? I'm also still debating which 
> tires since I expect to spend 98% of my time on the road.
>
> What say you, RBW Owners Bunch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?

[David Bundrick]

For many years I have had a 15 mile (each way) commute, year round, wet or 
dry, cold or hot. Winter tips: reflectors can be as effective as lights. 
You can never have too many reflectors on rider and bike. Lights rule. I 
have a SON dyno hub powering front and rear lights. You can get a $35.00 
marine emergency strobe that outperforms any bike specific strobe. I have 
one facing rearward - a rear white light may not be legal, but it's 
effective. Cold: Start off cold and you'll warm up soon. My hands and feet 
are hardest to keep warm. If your pedals permit, sandals work really well 
because there is plenty of room for layers of wool socks. You can also get 
waterproof socks at REI. Otherwise, as many layers of wool socks as you can 
get into your shoe. Heavy non-cycling winter gloves work best for me. And 
if you're a guy, a square of material tucked into the front your shorts can 
prevent painful frost bite. For rain I use and old Carradice rain poncho - 
I'm waiting not-so-patiently for the new Riv rain jacket. Keep the rubber 
side down!

On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:24:33 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Just curious. 
>  
> My commute may get longer soon.
> I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but 
> would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day.
> A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may 
> necessitate this sometimes.
>  
> Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the 
> winter.
>

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[RBW] Hetres vs. Pari-Moto, your thoughts?

[Jim Bronson]

Any thoughts?  I ended up with Pari Motos pretty much because I wanted some
other parts from Rivendell and they have free shipping on orders over
$150.  Rivendell carries the Pari Motos but not the Hetres.  So that
settled it.

Plus I hate to say it but the Hetres seem heavy to me for what they are
supposed to be...a light yet fat supple tire with low rolling resistance.

Meanwhile the Compass site derides the Pari Motos as "event tires".  Well I
do plan on using them for brevets so I guess that counts :)

Anyone tried them both?  Opinions on one versus the other?

Or just unsubstantiated opinions?  Like those too :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks opens shoppe in London.

[Joe Bunik]

A tangential but not entirely off-topic note: I hear rumor that Brooks
is bringing back the Conquest (an awesome saddle, if'n you like the
Team Pro):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaptainamerika/10898628744/in/faves-joe_bunik/

How you like that?!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 11/18/13, Michael  wrote:
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>>
>> Some of those books look like they could be pretty interesting.
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[sameness]

Wrapped. Twine. Print.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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[RBW] Re: Brooks opens shoppe in London.

[Michael]

>
> Some of those books look like they could be pretty interesting.
>
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Peter Morgano]

I vote for faux harlequin wrap, with the design built in for us wrapping
morons.
On Nov 19, 2013 12:42 AM, "Mike"  wrote:

> What's next for Newbaum's? Jimi Hendrix black-light purple?
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[RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Mike]

What's next for Newbaum's? Jimi Hendrix black-light purple? 

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[RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, I should try that on my Bleriot. Hot Pink would look *great *with 
whatever-that-color-is!
 
Joe "it's Bleriot color" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:26:05 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Why didn't you tell me Newbaums now comes in HOT PINK?!?
>
>
> 
>
>
> How do you sleep at night, knowing how you've betrayed me?  
>
> Seriously, though, I gotta see me some hot pink Newbaums in person.  That 
> might make my winter projects that much more fun.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks opens shoppe in London.

[Minh]

I'd like to thank Michael for posting this, i happened to be in London this 
past weekend and stopped in on Sunday, the pictures on the blog are pretty 
complete so no need for redundant ones, will add this one though. 

http://flic.kr/p/hEwDGo

I talked to the guys at the shop, they were pretty excited that someone 
walked in and they did not have to explain the point of the shop. 
I spent 8 pounds on a magazine, and they were nice enough to give me 2 free 
coasters, see pic here http://flic.kr/p/hEvkqW

I'm not sure how sustainable the shop is given the (low) amount of 
merchandise, will post some thoughts later when i have some more time.  

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:36:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Really striking displays.  My buddy has the road race version of that 
> Mercian.  His moustache conversion with black leather.  
>
> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:19:00 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> Very colourful! And beautiful bikes, though one marque in particular 
>> seems absent... I always like those narrow shotgun retail shops.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:36:32 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>> Some fat tired bikes there, too:
>>> http://blog.brooksengland.com/wps/b1866-london/
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The intriguing dilemma of having to ride...

[Robert Barr]

Can you stay in the high country just enough to maintain your peace of mind?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> so get after it - you got no choice - where's that smilie?
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:35:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, this one won’t make sense to most of you. That’s a good
>> thing. Pray it never really does.
>>
>> We learned that the construction on the flooded out bridge and dredging
>> of the late near our house will continue to Thanksgiving, so I have 8
>> business days in which I need to escape the sound from 8am-5pm brain and
>> weather permitting.
>>
>> I am blessed that today I get both a happy brain and good weather (sunny,
>> high in the 40’s on Pikes Peak). But it is an intriguing exercise on
>> attitude and countenance when one HAS to leave from home. I get to do what
>> I love doing, but HAVING to do it is something else entirely. Focus on the
>> gifts, rather than dwelling on the pain — I get to put that to use in a
>> whole other way!
>>
>> Then we’re trying to figure out January and February, when the parking
>> lot across the creek will be torn up and the flooded out drainage system
>> beneath replaced. Hm. Trying to figure out how to afford a two month
>> trip south (remote camping is the best option for me to avoid the noises
>> that blow up my brain).
>>
>> Two years ago, when I needed to escape town for noise (generally in the
>> summer for concerts at the park across the creek) I had no bike and did not
>> ride one. So the Hunqapillar has opened up amazing gift and opportunity
>> these past 18 months.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me vent!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Robert Barr]

To the OP I would respond that the Patagonia line has shifted a bit. The
Snap T used to be a slightly technical piece of midlayer insulation. That
niche now belongs to the regulator fleece. If you look on the website you
will see "regular fit" casual wear, and "slim fit" technical wear. From
what you wrote you would prefer the slim fit.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Now this is a rant with which I can definitely identify.  A month or so
> ago I went to a well known men's store to by a couple of pairs of dress
> slacks.  I wanted pleated and a size up from my "36" waist to accommodate
> my late-middle-aged beer gut.  Nothing available; not one pair.  Further,
> the "straight front" one's that I tried on fit so tightly that I had
> trouble even sticking one leg in, not mention zipping them up.  I asked the
> sales clerk what was up with all of this sizing and style BS.  He said that
> they've had quite a few complaints from customers about exactly the same
> thing recently, but that the fashion wizards have taken the clothing market
> back to the mid-60's - high water pants (at or above the ankle), seriously
> tapered, and straight front (picture the dress of the original Beatles band
> from that time period) and there's nothing they can do about it.  Well,
> that's fine, I suppose, except where's the market they're trying to attract?
>
> Further, I have found that the less expensive you buy, the smaller the
> fit-per-size becomes.  I bought some cheap T's from Kohl's this Summer to
> use for general work around the house and biking.  They fit so snug that I
> had to take 'em back and exchange for several sizes larger to get ones that
> were comfortable.
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:44:11 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
>> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with
>> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to
>> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>>
>> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that
>> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still
>> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a
>> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was!
>> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a
>> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it
>> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit
>> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel.
>> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>>
>> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's
>> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and
>> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to
>> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new
>> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and
>> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per
>> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt
>> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer
>> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of
>> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium
>> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are
>> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair
>> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>>
>> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra,
>> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room
>> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of
>> riding I'm doing.
>>
>> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has
>> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and
>> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the
>> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at
>> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The
>> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars
>> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>>
>> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in
>> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia
>> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design
>> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be
>> gaining steam.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?

[Robert Barr]

The synthetic vs natural fiber base layer argument makes the steel vs
carbon discussion look polite. It is not an area of compromise. Deacon and
I ride the same bike - I wear synthetic and he wears wool. We share the
same ancestral homeland and should share the same evolutionary drift - but
I itch if I get within 20 feet of the finest wool combed from young sheep
on the far side of the mountain. I have worn Patagonia capilene from its
inception and been consistently pleased with its performance. Good friends
wear the Patagonia wool line - but for us it is a don't ask and don't tell!
In addition to the itching I am by vocation and avocation frequently wet -
capilene works wonders when it is wet. I have new students try a t-shirt of
both fabrics and they quickly go one way or the other. Both products work
very well, just choose the one that feels best to you. Either one can keep
you warm and comfortable.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Not trapping sweat -- some synthetics are designed to wick it and, AFAIK,
> may do that better than wool. But wool insulates even when wet and perhaps
> that is the reason it doesn't feel clammy when you stop.
>
> Now stinking is another big problem in addition. I use synthetics only in
> summer (and not often then) but, even starting out clean as a baby, I am
> very anxious among other people (say, when running errands) about the stink
> that will inevitably arise after just an hour or so of sweating.
>
> I still wish someone made an all cotton cycling jersey -- I have one but
> it was made long ago. (Even cotton stinks more than wool, but not nearly as
> quickly and as bad as the synthetics I know of.)
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Matthew J  wrote:
>
>> Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but
>> trapping the stank of sweat even after washing?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Steel Bike Show in Orange, CA - THIS SUNDAY

[cyclotourist]

You're a better parent than me!

On 11/18/13, Bryan  wrote:
> Looks like a fun event . . I was on dad-duty on a Boy Scouts camping trip.
> Thanks for posting photos!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/18/2013 07:01 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Thanks, Steve.

Curious: you own so many bikes and ride so many miles: how does the 
Moulton compare to your favorite rando bikes in efficiency, handling, 
and that all important and ill-defined "feel"?


Moultons have an interesting and unusual feel, not like anything else 
I've ever ridden before.  Handling is, in a word, zippy.  As for 
efficiency, what Jan said about the New Series is true for the AMs as 
well: the suspension really kills hill climbing efficiency. Riding out 
of the saddle gives you the same sort of education re: smoothness as 
fixies are said to do with respect to round pedal stroke: thrash around 
on a Moulton and it will start bouncing around like a pogo stick in V-Fib.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Steel Bike Show in Orange, CA - THIS SUNDAY

[Bryan]

Looks like a fun event . . I was on dad-duty on a Boy Scouts camping trip. 
Thanks for posting photos!

Bryan 

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[RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[George Schick]

Now this is a rant with which I can definitely identify.  A month or so ago 
I went to a well known men's store to by a couple of pairs of dress slacks. 
 I wanted pleated and a size up from my "36" waist to accommodate my 
late-middle-aged beer gut.  Nothing available; not one pair.  Further, the 
"straight front" one's that I tried on fit so tightly that I had trouble 
even sticking one leg in, not mention zipping them up.  I asked the sales 
clerk what was up with all of this sizing and style BS.  He said that 
they've had quite a few complaints from customers about exactly the same 
thing recently, but that the fashion wizards have taken the clothing market 
back to the mid-60's - high water pants (at or above the ankle), seriously 
tapered, and straight front (picture the dress of the original Beatles band 
from that time period) and there's nothing they can do about it.  Well, 
that's fine, I suppose, except where's the market they're trying to attract?

Further, I have found that the less expensive you buy, the smaller the 
fit-per-size becomes.  I bought some cheap T's from Kohl's this Summer to 
use for general work around the house and biking.  They fit so snug that I 
had to take 'em back and exchange for several sizes larger to get ones that 
were comfortable.  

On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:44:11 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with 
> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to 
> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>
> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that 
> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still 
> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a 
> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was! 
> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a 
> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it 
> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit 
> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel. 
> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>
> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's 
> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and 
> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to 
> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new 
> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and 
> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per 
> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt 
> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer 
> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of 
> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium 
> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are 
> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair 
> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>
> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra, 
> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room 
> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of 
> riding I'm doing.
>
> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has 
> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and 
> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the 
> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at 
> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The 
> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars 
> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>
> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in 
> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia 
> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design 
> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be 
> gaining steam.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Steel Bike Show in Orange, CA - THIS SUNDAY

[cyclotourist]

Thanks Ryan! It was a real good show. A bunch of great bikes, and like
I mentioned, they appeared to be used! I liked this more than the
typical new bike show. And it was cool getting a ride and a meet up
out of it as well. Good times in SoCal!

On 11/18/13, Ryan  wrote:
> Nice pictures..You and Manny Acosta take terrific photosI liked the
> spiffed up Peugeot with the red leather tape and what looks like a red
> Brooks...looks like a 70's PX-10.
>
> Mine has a bit more of what is called beausage in polite company and isn't
> totally period correct either..yeah...nice Rivs as always ,  but a lot
> of other groovy old bikes too.
>
> Looks like  a great atmospherenot mobbed or anything like that.
>
> Sounds like a good time. Did I mention nice pictures?
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:18:17 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This was a really fun little get together! I arrived a little early
>> with my friend Rob and our Quickbeams and dropped my Rivy & hatchet
>> off. Then met up with Mike for a spin up the creek trail to Santiago
>> Oaks Regional Park and
>> meandered around there a bit. That took a couple hours or so, just in
>> time to come back to the show and hang out. Met up with Doug, talked
>> to Rob #2 & Daniel and looked at some really cool bikes. Most if not
>> all were riders and not show
>> pieces. Very refreshing to see so many great bikes that look like they
>> get miles put on them!
>>
>> And then of course we had to trek to downtown Orange to find food and
>> refreshments. Hanging out with my friends from the internet is always
>> a fun time!
>>
>> This show was a labor of love, no cost to show or view bikes, funded
>> by donations. Put on by Torelli Fan and Adrenaline Bike Shop. Shout
>> outs to both of them!!!
>>
>> Pics of cool head tubes and a couple people riding bikes:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157637787196075/with/10917547415/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/13, dougP > wrote:
>> > When I told the organizer that my Atlantis was a bit scuffed & battered
>> >
>> for
>> >
>> > inclusion in a show, his response was "no problem, it's not a
>> concourse".
>> > I'm taking him at his word.  My wife is planning to at least wipe down
>> her
>> > bike.  She asked if there was a special Rivendell cleaner but I don't
>> think
>> >
>> > Grandpa's Pine Tar Soap is what she had in mind.
>> >
>> > dougP
>> >
>> > On Friday, November 15, 2013 11:38:36 AM UTC-8,
>> > cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm getting there @ 10:00, dropping off a heavily beausaged Riv for the
>> >>
>> >> show, then going for a ride up to Santiago Oaks Park
>> >> http://ocparks.com/parks/santiago then coming back to be there around
>> >> noon to 1:00.
>> >> I'm hoping they will have washed and waxed my bike out of pity by the
>> time
>> >>
>> >> I get back.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone else can make it, it looks like a nice route courtesy of
>> Doug!
>> >> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/3661406
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:14 PM, cyclotourist
>> >> 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Planning on showing up w/ my amigo and his Quickbeam. If we can get a
>> >>>
>> >>> little ride in, great! If not, meandering around Orange Circle à pied
>> >>>
>> >>> area is 100% acceptable!
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/13/13, dougP > wrote:
>> >>> > Daniel:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for posting.  I'll be there.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > dougP
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:41:21 AM UTC-8, Daniel wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> For all the southern California bike folks, there's going to be a
>> >>> >> steel
>> >>> >> bike show in Orange this Sunday, November 17, 2013.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *Date:* Sunday, November 17, 2013
>> >>> >> *Time:* 12pm - 4pm (free food @ 2pm)
>> >>> >> *Location:* 368 S. Tustin Ave., Orange, CA, 92866
>> >>> >> *Cost:* Free (donations accepted)
>> >>> >> *Web link:* http://torellifan.com/uncategorized/steel-bike-show/
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The last show was about 2 years ago and had some neat bikes.
>> Already
>> >>> this
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> show has a Hetchins, a Herse, and some Rivendells.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I know a few folks from the list will be there. Should be good
>> times.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Who's in?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Daniel
>> >>> >> Yorba Linda, CA
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
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[RBW] Re: looking for a 64cm Atlantis

[Abcyclehank]

Tom,
I may be interested also.  Local sale possible since I am a fellow Michigander. 
 Are you looking to move the entire bike or just frame and fork?
Give me a call to discuss if you wish. And the first inquirer doesn't come 
through. 

Sincerely,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[hsmitham]

Right on target Ron.

~Hugh"works on keeping his ego in check, and can't really contribute to 
such nonsense" Smitham

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:21:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> sarcasm never comes across right on the internet - also, if you love 
> somebody, no sarcasm - it transliterates as putrefying thought, and that is 
> what it does.  
>
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:54:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I missed this one. How do you dremel a Longboard into a Bluemel?
>>
>> Anyone who takes cutting tools to bicycle stuff is my friend!
>>
>> It is interesting that BS's sarcasm seems to be spread with a pretty even 
>> hand, in a full 360 degrees, too. 
>>
>> Patrick "must search my trash folder for this one -- no, I'm not being 
>> snippy" Moore, who thinks the occasional metaphorical and emotional face 
>> slap is good for the soul.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, OS125  wrote:
>>
>>>  Anton Tutter wrote:
>>>  
>>>  >I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this.
>>>
>>> I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before.
>>>  
>>> BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, 
>>> just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, "Small 
>>> group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - 
>>> maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended 
>>> audience."
>>>  
>>> He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage 
>>> with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their 
>>> onbsessiveness.
>>>
>>> In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or 
>>> motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. 
>>> Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, 
>>> especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who 
>>> wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the 
>>> tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to 
>>> comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our 
>>> shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old 
>>> time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot 
>>> of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of 
>>> whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the 
>>> intertwined communities).
>>>  
>>>  If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of 
>>> company, including a few from this list.
>>>  
>>>  Anton goes on to write:
>>>  
>>>  >The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of 
>>> the Rivendell
>>>  aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French "re-enactors" and
>>>  "anachronistic affectations" yet it was a Riv product he chose as the 
>>> basis for "re-
>>>  enacting" a set of Bluemels.
>>>  
>>>  Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45.
>>>  
>>> One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - 
>>> who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes 
>>> poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text 
>>> was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff 
>>> from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with 
>>> like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the 
>>> Kool-Aid.” 
>>>
>>> The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are 
>>> available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for 
>>> every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something 
>>> disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore 
>>> it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), 
>>> grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it 
>>> with him or her. 
>>>
>>> Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite 
>>> awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon 
>>> Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this 
>>> topic:
>>>  
>>>  >This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/
>>> I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the 
>>> tip of the spear as it prods me.
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from 
>>> the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb 
>>> enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote:
>>>  
>>>  >How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender 
>>> by dremeling now "appropriate"?
>>>  
>>> Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different 
>>> color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I 
>>> ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I 
>>> cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and nei

Re: [RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Patrick Moore]

'Nother anecdote (you asked for it). Years ago I had several Performance LS
jerseys in an incredibly bright and neon greenery-yellow. I wore them
everywhere I biked to, which included school (middle aged MBA program),
stores, church, and so on. People all would wince when they saw me, but our
priest at the time said it best: "They won't hit you by accident, but they
might do it on purpose."

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, ascpgh  wrote:

>
> I was in Jackson, WY summer before last and in an effort to have the
> clothing for the spectrum of conditions expected I tossed in an old
> Synchilla Snap-T in the most horrific tennis ball yellow ("acid" in that
> year's catalogue) my wife wore often and I had a full zip Marmot rough
> fleece jacket with me. Folks called us out for those two garments every
> day, each is over 25 years old. Once had a guy in a grocery check out line
> tell me he bought the same Snap-T for his grand mom in the nursing home
> because he was sure no one would steal it. Color palette attractiveness
> changes as much as sizing, although much less objective as sizing.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Peter Morgano]

That Moulton is amazing, never seen one in the flesh or ridden one but hope
springs eternal.
On Nov 18, 2013 7:38 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> PS- You don't need no stinkin' splitters.
>>
> Just undo the shifter pods an move them onto the Alba's.
> And you are gonna have to change the brake cables to MTB cables anyway to
> match the MTB levers for the Albas.
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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Michael]

>
> PS- You don't need no stinkin' splitters.
>
Just undo the shifter pods an move them onto the Alba's.
And you are gonna have to change the brake cables to MTB cables anyway to 
match the MTB levers for the Albas.

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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Michael]

>
> If you usually ride drops, I'd say get the drop build. If you get drops, 
> you might always wonder how it woulda been with drops. So just get it outta 
> your system first.
>
Then, get a set of Albii and put 'em on after a month and see which you 
like better.

I have tried drops, Albii, and staches on my Sam. I like drops the best. So 
now I keep those on.

If you get the drops build on the Sam, the brake cables will be plenty long 
enough for Alba's and the shifter cables will be just long enough with 
Alba's all the way up, if the stock cables are installed like mine were.

It doesn't take a lot to switch to Alba's. Just the bars, Shimano Silver 
MTB brake levers,  MTB brake cables, and the NITTO shim for the smaller 
diameter clamp bar of the Alba. All to be had on the riv site for purchase. 
You can use the same housings if long enough, and you can wrap the bars 
with bartape until you are ready to make them permanent with cork grips, or 
whatever, later.
You will have to change the brake cables and will need to know how to set 
the cables/brake adjustment up for that.

Just throw that stuff in your order when you buy the drop Sam and you will 
be set for whenever you want to try them.
Just use the same stem for the Albas that came on the bike. Those stems are 
expensive. Why buy a different one until you are sure the Alba's will be 
permanent?

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[RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[ascpgh]

Sometimes there is bleed over from the jobber's location and sizing, like 
they make garments on their increments and convert them to US sizing once 
done. Shoes do that notoriously, all last variances aside.

I was in Jackson, WY summer before last and in an effort to have the 
clothing for the spectrum of conditions expected I tossed in an old 
Synchilla Snap-T in the most horrific tennis ball yellow ("acid" in that 
year's catalogue) my wife wore often and I had a full zip Marmot rough 
fleece jacket with me. Folks called us out for those two garments every 
day, each is over 25 years old. Once had a guy in a grocery check out line 
tell me he bought the same Snap-T for his grand mom in the nursing home 
because he was sure no one would steal it. Color palette attractiveness 
changes as much as sizing, although much less objective as sizing. 

Andy Cheatham
Pitttsburgh

On Monday, November 18, 2013 4:44:11 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:
>
> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with 
> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to 
> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>
> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that 
> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still 
> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a 
> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was! 
> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a 
> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it 
> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit 
> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel. 
> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>
> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's 
> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and 
> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to 
> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new 
> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and 
> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per 
> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt 
> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer 
> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of 
> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium 
> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are 
> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair 
> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>
> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra, 
> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room 
> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of 
> riding I'm doing.
>
> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has 
> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and 
> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the 
> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at 
> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The 
> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars 
> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>
> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in 
> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia 
> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design 
> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be 
> gaining steam.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

He has a specific perspective he's coming from. This is a regular topic for 
him, and a lot of time it's the absence of any investigation or even a 
citation from NYPD for the driver. 

On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:15:04 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Hi David, 
> The link clicking on today's installment really shows the blogger's 
> colors.  He apparently believes there should be criminal prosecution when a 
> motorist has a wreck with a cyclist.  There is no criminal prosecution when 
> a motorist kills another motorist - by accident, by definition - unless the 
> offending motorist happens to be in the process of a felony or DUI. 
>  Otherwise, it's strictly a civil matter, for which we have a system in 
> place, and employ 90% of the world's attorneys.  The guy is 
> me--me-me-rabid.  Clearly, no other points of view exist for him.  
> Regards
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the matter with you people?!?!

[hsmitham]

Look forward to seeing that project.

~Hugh

On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:26:05 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Why didn't you tell me Newbaums now comes in HOT PINK?!?
>
>
> 
>
>
> How do you sleep at night, knowing how you've betrayed me?  
>
> Seriously, though, I gotta see me some hot pink Newbaums in person.  That 
> might make my winter projects that much more fun.  
>

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Re: [RBW] The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Patrick Moore]

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/10/this-is-the-average-mans-body/280194/

As for bar height, I am always reassured when I see photos of Mark Abele's
bikes.

Patrick Moore, who fits very nicely into the happy medium where
off-the-shelf clothing and shoes are easy to find in ABQ, NM and elsewhere.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I don't think in the United States, that 145 lbs is typical for a 5'8"
> person.  Maybe for a fit cyclist, runner or other athlete, but not in the
> general population.
>
> Perhaps it says something to where we are as a country...
>
> As for the bike fit and sizing, I like the more or less bars level with
> seat, but Rivendell seems to be heading way beyond that to a super upright
> position, bars above saddle as you say.  Not really a fan of that but I
> think Riv has a big enough tent to accommodate both the bars above seat
> crowd and the bars level with seat crowd.
>
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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[Bill Lindsay]

What a relief!  Now, all I need to do is wait for that Roadeo to get 
bought, and my temptation count will be back down to manageable levels.  

On Monday, November 18, 2013 2:39:54 PM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> This bad boy has been SOLD! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
> PS - Someone buy my Fatty Rumpkin tires!! 
>

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[RBW] What is the matter with you people?!?!

[Bill Lindsay]

Why didn't you tell me Newbaums now comes in HOT PINK?!?




How do you sleep at night, knowing how you've betrayed me?  

Seriously, though, I gotta see me some hot pink Newbaums in person.  That 
might make my winter projects that much more fun.  

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[SeanMac]

Congratulations on the sale.  If it had been one size bigger I would have 
jumped on it.  Good luck with your new bike.

Sean

On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:39:54 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>
> This bad boy has been SOLD! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
> PS - Someone buy my Fatty Rumpkin tires!! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Steel Bike Show in Orange, CA - THIS SUNDAY

[Ryan]

Nice pictures..You and Manny Acosta take terrific photosI liked the 
spiffed up Peugeot with the red leather tape and what looks like a red 
Brooks...looks like a 70's PX-10.
 
Mine has a bit more of what is called beausage in polite company and isn't 
totally period correct either..yeah...nice Rivs as always ,  but a lot 
of other groovy old bikes too.
 
Looks like  a great atmospherenot mobbed or anything like that. 
 
Sounds like a good time. Did I mention nice pictures?
On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:18:17 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> This was a really fun little get together! I arrived a little early 
> with my friend Rob and our Quickbeams and dropped my Rivy & hatchet 
> off. Then met up with Mike for a spin up the creek trail to Santiago 
> Oaks Regional Park and 
> meandered around there a bit. That took a couple hours or so, just in 
> time to come back to the show and hang out. Met up with Doug, talked 
> to Rob #2 & Daniel and looked at some really cool bikes. Most if not 
> all were riders and not show 
> pieces. Very refreshing to see so many great bikes that look like they 
> get miles put on them! 
>
> And then of course we had to trek to downtown Orange to find food and 
> refreshments. Hanging out with my friends from the internet is always 
> a fun time! 
>
> This show was a labor of love, no cost to show or view bikes, funded 
> by donations. Put on by Torelli Fan and Adrenaline Bike Shop. Shout 
> outs to both of them!!! 
>
> Pics of cool head tubes and a couple people riding bikes: 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157637787196075/with/10917547415/
>  
>
>
> On 11/15/13, dougP > wrote: 
> > When I told the organizer that my Atlantis was a bit scuffed & battered 
> for 
> > 
> > inclusion in a show, his response was "no problem, it's not a 
> concourse". 
> > I'm taking him at his word.  My wife is planning to at least wipe down 
> her 
> > bike.  She asked if there was a special Rivendell cleaner but I don't 
> think 
> > 
> > Grandpa's Pine Tar Soap is what she had in mind. 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 15, 2013 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
> >> 
> >> I'm getting there @ 10:00, dropping off a heavily beausaged Riv for the 
> >> show, then going for a ride up to Santiago Oaks Park 
> >> http://ocparks.com/parks/santiago then coming back to be there around 
> >> noon to 1:00. 
> >> I'm hoping they will have washed and waxed my bike out of pity by the 
> time 
> >> 
> >> I get back. 
> >> 
> >> If anyone else can make it, it looks like a nice route courtesy of 
> Doug! 
> >> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/3661406 
> >> 
> >> Cheers, 
> >> David 
> >> 
> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:14 PM, cyclotourist 
> >>  
> >> > wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Planning on showing up w/ my amigo and his Quickbeam. If we can get a 
> >>> little ride in, great! If not, meandering around Orange Circle à pied 
> >>> area is 100% acceptable! 
> >>> 
> >>> On 11/13/13, dougP > wrote: 
> >>> > Daniel: 
> >>> > 
> >>> > Thanks for posting.  I'll be there. 
> >>> > 
> >>> > dougP 
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:41:21 AM UTC-8, Daniel wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> For all the southern California bike folks, there's going to be a 
> >>> >> steel 
> >>> >> bike show in Orange this Sunday, November 17, 2013. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> *Date:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 
> >>> >> *Time:* 12pm - 4pm (free food @ 2pm) 
> >>> >> *Location:* 368 S. Tustin Ave., Orange, CA, 92866 
> >>> >> *Cost:* Free (donations accepted) 
> >>> >> *Web link:* http://torellifan.com/uncategorized/steel-bike-show/ 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> The last show was about 2 years ago and had some neat bikes. 
> Already 
> >>> this 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> show has a Hetchins, a Herse, and some Rivendells. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> I know a few folks from the list will be there. Should be good 
> times. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Who's in? 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Daniel 
> >>> >> Yorba Linda, CA 
> >>> >> 
> >>> > 
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Re: [RBW] The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Jim Bronson]

I don't think in the United States, that 145 lbs is typical for a 5'8"
person.  Maybe for a fit cyclist, runner or other athlete, but not in the
general population.

Perhaps it says something to where we are as a country...

As for the bike fit and sizing, I like the more or less bars level with
seat, but Rivendell seems to be heading way beyond that to a super upright
position, bars above saddle as you say.  Not really a fan of that but I
think Riv has a big enough tent to accommodate both the bars above seat
crowd and the bars level with seat crowd.


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:44 PM, jinxed  wrote:

> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with
> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to
> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>
> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that
> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still
> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a
> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was!
> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a
> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it
> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit
> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel.
> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>
> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's
> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and
> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to
> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new
> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and
> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per
> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt
> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer
> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of
> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium
> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are
> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair
> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>
> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra,
> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room
> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of
> riding I'm doing.
>
> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has
> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and
> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the
> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at
> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The
> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars
> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>
> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in
> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia
> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design
> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be
> gaining steam.
>
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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[Eric]

This bad boy has been SOLD! 

Thanks!

- Eric

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[RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Garth]

Yes .. I take all "sizing guides" as jokes ... lol.  Since I live in a 
place with few retail shops, let alone what I'd call "good ones" ... I rely 
on mail ordering .  When I am interested in something, I call the 
manufacturer and ask for "garment measurements "  .  These are the actual 
physical measurements .  

That said  I do know Patagonia well also.  And yes  the great fit 
and sizing of the 70's, 80's and early 90's is out the window.  I don't 
know who is running the company today ... but it is nowhere near the same.  
They used to make the coolest cotton shirts and sweatshirts . I even found 
one brand new I had stored away recently, from 1989 !  I still have many of 
the printed catalogs from that time, my sister worked for a Patagonai 
outlet store and she'd send us stuff .  One shirt that has not changed is 
the cotton Polo. I found a NOS one of those too(from 1989), in a wonderful 
Raspberry color even !  When I bought some recently I was overjoyed that 
they were exactly the same cut !  So they've not completely lost their way 
... lol.The Snap-T's ... yeah .. a blanket with arms  lol.  
Thankfully though, other brands have caught up with them in the quality of 
the fleece, so I choose other brands. Their lifetime warranty though, is by 
far the best of anyone in existence and the model of which all are measured 
against. 


As far as bike fit , retail is always changing ... but in the custom steel 
world time can stand still if you wish ! 

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[RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Matthew J]

Glad you posted this. 

Sizing in active wear is plain bizarre lately.  

At just under 6 foot tall and weighing in at around 160 lbs I am slightly 
above average height and somewhat below average weight.  I wear a 40R 
sports coat, a 15.5 neck, 32-33 sleeve.  My dress pants are 33 waist and 33 
cuff.  All of which, in my mind anyway, suggests I am about a medium.

Apparently many of the brands out there think differently.  If I buy a 
Filson shirt even in the new Seattle size I am a small.  Outlier thinks I 
am a large.  Patagonia thinks I am a large.  Ibex medium fit, but the 
sleeves are too long.  I recently bought a great rain coat from Search and 
State.  Medium did not fit.  Large did not fit.  I had to buy an extra 
large.  I know a lot of cyclists who are over 6 feet and weigh in close to 
or above 200 lbs.  They would not be able to wear any size from S&S.  

Frustrating to say the least. 

On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:44:11 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with 
> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to 
> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>
> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that 
> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still 
> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a 
> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was! 
> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a 
> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it 
> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit 
> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel. 
> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>
> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's 
> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and 
> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to 
> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new 
> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and 
> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per 
> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt 
> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer 
> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of 
> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium 
> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are 
> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair 
> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>
> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra, 
> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room 
> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of 
> riding I'm doing.
>
> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has 
> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and 
> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the 
> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at 
> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The 
> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars 
> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>
> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in 
> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia 
> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design 
> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be 
> gaining steam.
>

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[RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[sameness]

Patagonia's been pretty notorious for changing their sizing and fit over 
the last 10 years or so, sometimes even on the same item from season to 
season.

Used to be that everything was designed with an active, athletic core user 
in mind, and with a fit appropriate for the given activity.

Nowadays that same arctic-grade expedition shell will be far more likely 
tasked with insulating a core full of crab legs and creme brulée on the 
deck of a cruise ship, and so a Large becomes a whole 'nother kind of large.

Luckily their stuff lasts forever.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Bill Lindsay]

Now THOSE are some proper diagatubes!  Dozens of lovely diagatubes!

On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:32:59 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 11/18/2013 03:04 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>  
> Thanks -- that's useful. Can anyone else comment on the question of cable 
> drag or absence of it, with the splitters?
>  
>
> I have splitters on the cables on my Moulton.  You can see them in this 
> photo:
>
>
> They're installed in an open section of cable, so there's no question of 
> any cable drag.  You're entirely unaware they are there until it's time to 
> separate the bike into two pieces, at which point you unscrew the barrels 
> and the cable separates.
>
> These happen to be Moulton cable splitters, but there's no difference in 
> how they work between these, the ones Bruce Gordon sells, and the DaVinci 
> units.
>
>  

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[RBW] The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[jinxed]

A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with 
me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to 
say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.

Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that my 
one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still make 
the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a 
medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was! 
I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a 
bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it 
lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit 
was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel. 
So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.

This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's 
changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and 
stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to 
and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new 
clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and 
mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per 
say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt 
the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer 
cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of 
the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium 
Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are 
spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair 
of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.

I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra, all 
my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room 
enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of 
riding I'm doing.

All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has 
been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and 
it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the 
former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at 
the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The 
head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars 
to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?

Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in time 
or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia fleece, 
I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design to ME. 
But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be gaining 
steam.

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Re: [RBW] Koolstop ThinLine question.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/18/2013 12:44 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:

Steve,

 I did see the spec's on their site and koolstop's as well...then when 
I went to purchase said pads they all say for "V" brakes no mention of 
canti's or center pull's. I don't like ordering products online then 
dealing with the return hassle and additional cost. So thanks for the 
confirmation.


I think it's that the thinline pads were first introduced for V brakes, 
and after they became popular newer brakes like the Paul Racer & Touring 
Canti were designed to use it rather than the smooth post "Mafac-style" 
traditional canti pad.  But even with Mafac pads, they used the same 
smooth post pad on their cantilever brakes and on the Racer & Raid 
centerpulls, but you'll see no mention of that use on a package of Eagle 
Klaw smooth post pads.



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Re: [RBW] Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Jim Bronson]

If you're spending 98% of the time on the road, get the Noodles and some
Grand Bois tires.  $0.02.


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Tom Mainelli  wrote:

> I've been lurking for some time, so I thought I'd introduce myself as I
> enter the home stretch of a long wait for my Sam. My name is Tom, I cover
> tech for a living, and I live near Rivendell's now two stores (!). I have
> been in to chat with Grant, Will, Jared, Vince and others on several
> occasions (and Rich built me some swt wheels for my current ride). I
> even got to borrow a Sam for two days (which has got to seal the deal with
> 99.9% of buyers).
>
> So the question I've been pondering--as so many Riv converts probably
> do--is do I start with drop bars or should I cut to the chase and get the
> Albatross (the clear fave of most staffers)? I'm also still debating which
> tires since I expect to spend 98% of my time on the road.
>
> What say you, RBW Owners Bunch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[dougP]

My Atlantis has Davinci cable splitters on the shift cables.  With 8 speed 
Shimano indexed bar ends there is no adjustment needed.  However, I put 
them on to make the bike easier to disassemble for shipping.  I think you'd 
have to be careful at set-up to use them for quick change of handlebars.  
Mine are along the shift cables between the DT stops and the BB.  Might 
need DT cable stops on both sets of h'bars.  

dougP

On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:01:11 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Yes Patrick , this is my idea too, it must really BE quick ,as in 
> disconnect, remove One "Unit"(bar/stem/cable to split point), put on "other 
> Unit", and re-attach. Done. No "Adjusting, other than the stem height which 
> is a no brainer, (for most ... lol). 
>
>  The DaVinci splitters come in both shifter and brake versions, and a 
> "kit" of both. Considering they designed these for tandems and travel, I am 
> assuming there is no shifting precision loss at all, nor should there be as 
> that would defeat their benefits ! 
> http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#split
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Perry]

Set the splitters up correctly from the start and here is no problem whatsoever 
with shifting and switching is easy peasy. Did it for a quite a while.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks -- that's useful. Can anyone else comment on the question of cable
drag or absence of it, with the splitters?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Garth  wrote:

> Yes Patrick , this is my idea too, it must really BE quick ,as in
> disconnect, remove bar/stem/cable to split point, put on "other"
> stem/bars/cables, and re-attach. Done. No "Adjusting, other than the stem
> height which is a no brainer, (for most ... lol).
>
>  The DaVinci splitters come in both shifter and brake versions, and a
> "kit" of both. Considering they designed these for tandems and travel, I am
> assuming there is no shifting precision loss at all, nor should there be as
> that would defeat their benefits !
> http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#split
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 2:49:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This will work only if the swap is mindless and immediate: I am an
>> immediate gratification sort of person.
>>
>> I'd want to be able to disconnect 4 cables quickly, remove stem, plop new
>> stem/bar on the steerer (...ER...ER...ER), tighten, reconnect, and motor
>> off into the sunset.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you use bar-end shifters, and you're switching to/from bars that
>>> accommodate, then you can do so without needing cable splitters or even
>>> additional bar ends. Here's a tutorial (not mine-- I used this to move from
>>> moustache to albatross):
>>> http://www.tamiasoutside.com/2008/08/24/barcons/
>>>
>>> I think some versions of thumbies, can be moved from handlebar to
>>> handlebar without problems... but some can't.
>>>
>>> If your bike has canti brakes, then buy an extra set of straddle hangers.
>>>
>>> BTW: there are locking spacers. Problem Solvers makes them. I think they
>>> also make locking cable hanger/spacers.
>>>
>>> --shoji
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:03:32 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

 Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch
 any time you like ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Perry]

For switch-ability of cockpits, shifter cable splitters need to be installed. A 
good location is between the downtube and the bb cable guide for both front and 
back. Alternatively, the rear shifter cable can be split between the bb cable 
guide and chainstay rear derailleur boss. For brakes, there are various options 
to ponder. I did this about 11 years ago (can't believe it's been so long!) and 
have the PDF of the blog post saved. Don't know if it helps but here it is.

http://bit.ly/1b40T2a

Oh, and about the op, albas. All. The. Way! ;) It's ymmv thing, of course.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Garth]

Yes Patrick , this is my idea too, it must really BE quick ,as in 
disconnect, remove One "Unit"(bar/stem/cable to split point), put on "other 
Unit", and re-attach. Done. No "Adjusting, other than the stem height which 
is a no brainer, (for most ... lol). 

 The DaVinci splitters come in both shifter and brake versions, and a "kit" 
of both. Considering they designed these for tandems and travel, I am 
assuming there is no shifting precision loss at all, nor should there be as 
that would defeat their benefits ! 
http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#split

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Ron Mc]

this is the last forum I expected to become the Bullwinkle Show.  

On Monday, November 18, 2013 11:15:21 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> he was already campaigning in july of '63?  tell me more

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Garth]

Yes Patrick , this is my idea too, it must really BE quick ,as in 
disconnect, remove bar/stem/cable to split point, put on "other" 
stem/bars/cables, and re-attach. Done. No "Adjusting, other than the stem 
height which is a no brainer, (for most ... lol). 

 The DaVinci splitters come in both shifter and brake versions, and a "kit" 
of both. Considering they designed these for tandems and travel, I am 
assuming there is no shifting precision loss at all, nor should there be as 
that would defeat their benefits ! 
http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#split



On Monday, November 18, 2013 2:49:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This will work only if the swap is mindless and immediate: I am an 
> immediate gratification sort of person.
>
> I'd want to be able to disconnect 4 cables quickly, remove stem, plop new 
> stem/bar on the steerer (...ER...ER...ER), tighten, reconnect, and motor 
> off into the sunset.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> If you use bar-end shifters, and you're switching to/from bars that 
>> accommodate, then you can do so without needing cable splitters or even 
>> additional bar ends. Here's a tutorial (not mine-- I used this to move from 
>> moustache to albatross):
>> http://www.tamiasoutside.com/2008/08/24/barcons/
>>
>> I think some versions of thumbies, can be moved from handlebar to 
>> handlebar without problems... but some can't.
>>
>> If your bike has canti brakes, then buy an extra set of straddle hangers.
>>
>> BTW: there are locking spacers. Problem Solvers makes them. I think they 
>> also make locking cable hanger/spacers. 
>>
>> --shoji 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:03:32 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch 
>>> any time you like ;)  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Shoji. This will work only if the swap is mindless and immediate: I
am an immediate gratification sort of person.

I'd want to be able to disconnect 4 cables quickly, remove stem, plop new
stem/bar on the steerer (...ER...ER...ER), tighten, reconnect, and motor
off into the sunset.


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Shoji Takahashi  wrote:

> If you use bar-end shifters, and you're switching to/from bars that
> accommodate, then you can do so without needing cable splitters or even
> additional bar ends. Here's a tutorial (not mine-- I used this to move from
> moustache to albatross):
> http://www.tamiasoutside.com/2008/08/24/barcons/
>
> I think some versions of thumbies, can be moved from handlebar to
> handlebar without problems... but some can't.
>
> If your bike has canti brakes, then buy an extra set of straddle hangers.
>
> BTW: there are locking spacers. Problem Solvers makes them. I think they
> also make locking cable hanger/spacers.
>
> --shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:03:32 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch
>> any time you like ;)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Shoji Takahashi]

If you use bar-end shifters, and you're switching to/from bars that 
accommodate, then you can do so without needing cable splitters or even 
additional bar ends. Here's a tutorial (not mine-- I used this to move from 
moustache to albatross):
http://www.tamiasoutside.com/2008/08/24/barcons/

I think some versions of thumbies, can be moved from handlebar to handlebar 
without problems... but some can't.

If your bike has canti brakes, then buy an extra set of straddle hangers.

BTW: there are locking spacers. Problem Solvers makes them. I think they 
also make locking cable hanger/spacers. 

--shoji 


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>
> Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch 
> any time you like ;)  
>
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[RBW] Re: looking for a 64cm Atlantis

[tdusky]

A have a 64 Atlantis I will sell. I believe it might be from around 2006. 
Curved lugs, double droupout eyes in the front, good shape. I just got a 
custom Rando bike and need to trim the heard. Let me know.
Thanks
Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods MI


On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:11:23 PM UTC-5, Keith Beato wrote:
>
> I had from 2006. I should have never sold it. I'm willing to trade 
> Waterford built 62cm Hunqapillar in Silver
>
> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Patrick Moore]

I'm curious about this too for my Fargo, so I'll chime in. It would be nice
to make the Fargo more switchback competent with fatter and sturdier tires,
bigger cassette, and other-than-drop bar. Swapping tires and cassette is
easy. It's the bar that takes time.

First, it would be a matter of swapping out stems as well as bars -- I'd
need something longer for a mtb or even say the Dove bar or Albatross
(though I am thinking that a new moustache bar might work too, and might
work with the stem I have which is slightly higher than saddle -- have been
wanting to try this new model.

If this is not to mean re-adjusting the headset bearings, I'd need some
sort of locknut spacer -- are these available?

Second: do cable splitters affect the precision of shifting the rd? I'm
shifting 9 with Silver bar end shifters, so any additional drag on the
cable will not be welcome. I'd use BES with an Albastache or thumbies with
an upright bar.

Lastly: Albatross or Dove or Albastache (hope springs eternal) for
technical stuff ... ? Will any of these work?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Mike  wrote:

>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 10:03:32 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch
>> any time you like ;)
>>
>
> I like this idea! Coupled with DT shifters, swaps would be super quick and
> clean.
>
> I've had my Hilsen for over 5yrs now and been using Noodles for over 6 I
> love them. I've ridden Albas on my singlespeed commuter Cross Check and
> they're nice. I'm getting ready to finally try them on my Hilsen, just need
> to make the time to do the swap.
>
> Anyone have stem recommedations. I currently have a 10cm stem with 46cm
> Noodles. How much longer should one go if switching to Albas?
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Mike]

On Monday, November 18, 2013 10:03:32 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote: 
>
> Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch 
> any time you like ;)  
>
 
I like this idea! Coupled with DT shifters, swaps would be super quick and 
clean.
 
I've had my Hilsen for over 5yrs now and been using Noodles for over 6 I 
love them. I've ridden Albas on my singlespeed commuter Cross Check and 
they're nice. I'm getting ready to finally try them on my Hilsen, just need 
to make the time to do the swap.
 
Anyone have stem recommedations. I currently have a 10cm stem with 46cm 
Noodles. How much longer should one go if switching to Albas?
 
--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Mike]

Hey Hugh, I've ton many 80+ mile days in MUSA and Chrome shorts with 
ExOfficio underwear with no issues. Oh, and the saddle is a B17. I think 
body type and position can have a lot to do with what works. It sounds like 
you've also gone to platform pedals? Hope you're using the VPs, I love mine.
 
And Mike W., I'll likely put the Albas on my Hilsen. While I hate dealin 
with re-cabling the brakes and shifters, it's really not that hard. Finding 
the time between attending to my newborn daughter and my mom's illness is 
really the barrier. Hell, I haven't even sat down to look at the new Riv 
catalog. There's just not enough time.
 
It sure was great to get out for a 4hr ride yesterday with everything 
that's been going on. After Feb I should be able to get out biweekly for a 
ride in the 4 to 5hr range along with shorter weekly rambles.
 
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[RBW] Re: Koolstop ThinLine question.

[Jeremy Till]

The type of pad with a threaded stud, spacers, and spherical washers that 
clamps a vertical track on the brake arm was originally introduced on 
V-brakes, so these pads are commonly referred to as "v-brake style" pads 
now, even when they are used on other brakes, which may account for the 
confusing description on Paul's site.  There is nothing which makes these 
pads canti or v-brake specific (i.e. any "v-brake" pad would also work in a 
centerpull cantilever brake that uses the same hardware and vice versa).  
Paul also uses them on their caliper brakes.  

Prior to the introduction of v-brakes, most cantilever brakes used pads 
with a smooth (i.e. unthreaded) stud that was clamped by an eyebolt through 
the brake arm at 90 deg to the stud, and some current production brakes 
based on older designs still use this old style (not Paul's, however).

IMHO, the switch to the threaded stud pads on cantilever brakes accounts 
for a vast improvement in ease of adjustment over their older 
counterparts.  Smooth stud cantis are a PITA.  

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:38:08 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Are the Koolstop ThinLine threaded pads used for both 'V" brakes and 
> Canti's? I have a set of Paul's Touring Canti's that need 4 new pads. Any 
> help to confirm this is appreciated before I pull the trigger.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Garth]

Get one of each. Install those quick cable splitters and you can switch any 
time you like ;)  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

I have some Ibex shirts and I like them okay...I'm sure I'll wear them now
that the weather is cooling down some, I wish I bought a size larger
though. So far I have found that my Patagucci long sleeve gone again shirt
is ideal it dries super quick ventilates awesome and I can cover up my arms
either when it's cool or the sun is too intense.
http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-long-sleeved-gone-again-shirt?p=54110-0
I
have two MUSA wool t shirts that I find great either by them selves or as a
base layer. I also have a long sleeve wool jersey but down here in SoCal it
always feels overkill other then early Spring.

On miles above thirty I still need to experiment with saddle comfort as I'm
just wearing the wool boxer briefs and am really comfortable, this past
weekend I felt I could do fifty with no problems on a spirited ride.

I think it all comes down to what works for the individual. As for me I'm
still working it out, in the Spring I plan on picking up another LS shirt
like the gone again just to rotate.


Best,


~Hugh


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> There is a middle ground.  There are some nicely fitting wool shorts and
> jerseys that are made. A little looser fit and no flashy ads or colors.  I
> prefer this kind of gear for more strenuous rides. Ibex, Ground Effect and
> others make some good quality stuff, made in the US or from the wool
> source.
>
>  On tour, or on more casual rides, some baggies and a looser shirt are
> great for the mixed social situations and more "relaxed" pace.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad, Ca
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Re: [RBW] Koolstop ThinLine question.

[Peter Morgano]

I have them on my neo retros, they work great. I agree the description on
the site should be clearer however as I had the same question when I went
from smooth post cantis to the new style.
On Nov 18, 2013 12:44 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> Steve,
>
>  I did see the spec's on their site and koolstop's as well...then when I
> went to purchase said pads they all say for "V" brakes no mention of
> canti's or center pull's. I don't like ordering products online then
> dealing with the return hassle and additional cost. So thanks for the
> confirmation.
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> On 11/17/2013 10:38 PM, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Are the Koolstop ThinLine threaded pads used for both 'V" brakes and
>>> Canti's? I have a set of Paul's Touring Canti's that need 4 new pads. Any
>>> help to confirm this is appreciated before I pull the trigger.
>>>
>>
>> Quoting from the Paul web site technical information panel for the
>> Touring Cantilever:  "Brake Pads  Salmon Koolstop Thinline"
>>
>> I believe those pads are also used for V brakes, and I know they are also
>> used for Paul Racer centerpulls.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Koolstop ThinLine question.

[Hugh Smitham]

Steve,

 I did see the spec's on their site and koolstop's as well...then when I
went to purchase said pads they all say for "V" brakes no mention of
canti's or center pull's. I don't like ordering products online then
dealing with the return hassle and additional cost. So thanks for the
confirmation.

Best,


~Hugh


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 11/17/2013 10:38 PM, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Are the Koolstop ThinLine threaded pads used for both 'V" brakes and
>> Canti's? I have a set of Paul's Touring Canti's that need 4 new pads. Any
>> help to confirm this is appreciated before I pull the trigger.
>>
>
> Quoting from the Paul web site technical information panel for the Touring
> Cantilever:  "Brake Pads  Salmon Koolstop Thinline"
>
> I believe those pads are also used for V brakes, and I know they are also
> used for Paul Racer centerpulls.
>
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[RBW] Pittock Mansion Sunrise Coffee Report: 18 November

[Christopher Chen]

A blustery, but wonderfully clear Portland morning made for a nice climb up
to Pittock Mansion for a view of Downtown Portland and some Creme Brulee at
the top. Approx 800' climb in a mile or two. 15% in many parts.

Sorry I've been remiss in reporting each ride, but I think they've been
going great, and I encourage you to get sneaky, get on the saddle, and get
some quiet outside time.

Pictures (from Russ and Josh) Prove it Happened. More probably coming.

http://pic.twitter.com/7JYtPrwgS9
http://pic.twitter.com/dpPt3EyGhV
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stickwithjosh/10927370806/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stickwithjosh/10928816896/

Have an excellent week!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Bill Lindsay]

he was already campaigning in july of '63?  tell me more

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[Eric]

I couldn't see shipping being more than $50-$60 and I pack extremely well.

- Eric

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:44:08 PM UTC-6, Eric Cardella wrote:
>
> Very, very tempting! If I had an extra wheelset lying around, I'd be 
> making an offer. Out of curiosity, how much to ship to Portland, OR?
>
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[RBW] Re: The intriguing dilemma of having to ride...

[Ron Mc]

so get after it - you got no choice - where's that smilie?  

On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:35:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fortunately, this one won’t make sense to most of you. That’s a good 
> thing. Pray it never really does.
>
> We learned that the construction on the flooded out bridge and dredging of 
> the late near our house will continue to Thanksgiving, so I have 8 business 
> days in which I need to escape the sound from 8am-5pm brain and weather 
> permitting.
>
> I am blessed that today I get both a happy brain and good weather (sunny, 
> high in the 40’s on Pikes Peak). But it is an intriguing exercise on 
> attitude and countenance when one HAS to leave from home. I get to do what 
> I love doing, but HAVING to do it is something else entirely. Focus on the 
> gifts, rather than dwelling on the pain — I get to put that to use in a 
> whole other way!
>
> Then we’re trying to figure out January and February, when the parking lot 
> across the creek will be torn up and the flooded out drainage system 
> beneath replaced. Hm. Trying to figure out how to afford a two month 
> trip south (remote camping is the best option for me to avoid the noises 
> that blow up my brain).
>
> Two years ago, when I needed to escape town for noise (generally in the 
> summer for concerts at the park across the creek) I had no bike and did not 
> ride one. So the Hunqapillar has opened up amazing gift and opportunity 
> these past 18 months.
>
> Thanks for letting me vent!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Patrick Moore]

Just for another opinion, I switched from the Midge to a 44 cm rando (B135)
on the Fargo and was very surprised to find that the Nittos are just about
(not exactly quite) perfect for my type of riding.

I found the Midge better than most of the other off road drop bars, though.

Someone on this or the iBob list was looking for a GB Rando bar 


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Dennis Hogan  wrote:

> Hi Tom...I am somewhat of a lurker too but have a few posts. I just
> changed the handlebars on my 2 yr old AHH from the Grand Bois Randonneur
> Bars from Compass/Bicycle Quarterly to the One-on-One Midge bar. I know
> this is a rather unusual choice for the Rivers but so far so good( approx.
> 300km on them)
> For me they have as many diff hand positions as the GB's and are wider in
> the drops with still good access to the brakes and bar-end shifters.
> No matter what the choice. I expect you'll love the ride
> Dennis in PDX
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Ron Mc]

actually, he was campaigning for president then.  

On Monday, November 18, 2013 10:20:12 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> EXTREME topics drift!  I know, right?  
>
> McClellan coming up in a Gettysburg reference?!  LMFAO!  McClellan was 
> long gone by the time Gettysburg was being fought.  LOLOLOL!!! 
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:39:56 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into 
>> the grave. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Mike Schiller]

There is a middle ground.  There are some nicely fitting wool shorts and 
jerseys that are made. A little looser fit and no flashy ads or colors.  I 
prefer this kind of gear for more strenuous rides. Ibex, Ground Effect and 
others make some good quality stuff, made in the US or from the wool 
source.  

 On tour, or on more casual rides, some baggies and a looser shirt are 
great for the mixed social situations and more "relaxed" pace.  

~mike
Carlsbad, Ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?

[Patrick Moore]

Not trapping sweat -- some synthetics are designed to wick it and, AFAIK,
may do that better than wool. But wool insulates even when wet and perhaps
that is the reason it doesn't feel clammy when you stop.

Now stinking is another big problem in addition. I use synthetics only in
summer (and not often then) but, even starting out clean as a baby, I am
very anxious among other people (say, when running errands) about the stink
that will inevitably arise after just an hour or so of sweating.

I still wish someone made an all cotton cycling jersey -- I have one but it
was made long ago. (Even cotton stinks more than wool, but not nearly as
quickly and as bad as the synthetics I know of.)

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but
> trapping the stank of sweat even after washing?
>
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[RBW] November on the beach

[LBleriot]

The temps on Long Island touched 60 degree yesterday,  So, I grabbed the 
Riv'd up Soma San Marcos and met a few non-Riv friends for a ride to 
Huntington Harbor on the north shore.  One of the gang knew the twisty 
route down to a private beach (moral indignation) with great views of toney 
Lloyd Harbor, the harbor lighthouse and the Sound.  There was no wind to 
speak of and most of the boats have been taken out of the water.  After a 
spin back around the harbor, I left my friends to continue their late 
afternoon ride on the Long Island Sound, and I headed home.  All in all, a 
great ride. Thanks for reading.http://www.flickr.com/photos/93346526@N07/

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Not about the bikes

[Chris Lampe 2]

Fantastic photos!   I swear my parents had an almost identical Underwood 
typewriter when I was a kid. 
 

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:11:29 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:

> Had the pleasure to stop by the new shop downtown. I've stopped there a 
> handful of times prior  a couple of weeks ago but now the new location it's 
> starting to take shape onto it's own. Still lots of quirky things that you 
> don't really expect in a bike shop, wood burnt signs and twine mondals.But 
> still keeping that "Rivendell" feel.
>
> Prime example last Friday. Grant was working and I got to see him work his 
> magic. A group of boys came in enamored about hatchets. Throwing hatchets 
> actually. Grant being Grant told them they didn't sell any throwing 
> hatchets but recommended where they could buy some, while he also gave them 
> the run down of their hatchets and some history. Telling them jokingly if 
> they throw this hatchet he would kick their butt. They talked and the kids 
> left with some hatchet knowledge.
>
> Another example another customer came in and actually drawn to the bikes. 
> He ended up leaving learning out to make a Monkey Fist knot. 
>
> The lovely folks at Rivendell have this uncanny ability to be perfectly 
> honest and real with their customers. And I'm glad that it continues with 
> the new shop. Looking forward to the Grand Opening Dec 14.
>
> I guess it helps that their bikes are awesome. 
>
> With the one bike I got to fit in some bike camping, single tracking and a 
> little bit of mountain bike racing this weekend.
>
> Pictures proved that the new shop looks great:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjMDauTo
>
> -Manny "One bike to rule them all" Acosta
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] looking for a 64cm Atlantis

[Keith Beato]

I had from 2006. I should have never sold it. I'm willing to trade 
Waterford built 62cm Hunqapillar in Silver

Keith

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[Eric Cardella]

Very, very tempting! If I had an extra wheelset lying around, I'd be making 
an offer. Out of curiosity, how much to ship to Portland, OR?

On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:06:50 PM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> And 100% of sales proceeds will go back to Rivendell! It's a vicious 
> circle! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Tom Mainelli]

Thanks for all the great feedback. Much to ponder as the wait continues.

>

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[RBW] Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Dennis Hogan]

Hi Tom...I am somewhat of a lurker too but have a few posts. I just changed the 
handlebars on my 2 yr old AHH from the Grand Bois Randonneur
Bars from Compass/Bicycle Quarterly to the One-on-One Midge bar. I know this is 
a rather unusual choice for the Rivers but so far so good( approx. 300km on 
them) 
For me they have as many diff hand positions as the GB's and are wider in the 
drops with still good access to the brakes and bar-end shifters.
No matter what the choice. I expect you'll love the ride
Dennis in PDX 

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[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?

[Matthew J]

Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but 
trapping the stank of sweat even after washing?

Cashmere - better yet, Vicuna if you can afford it - are both animal fur 
more comfortable to wear than any synthetic or cotton.  Be aware buying 
cashmere though.  Huge Chinese goat farms are contributing to 
desertification.  Mongolia does a much better job with its animal husbandry.

On Friday, November 15, 2013 2:09:17 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> "performance" is relative to the Each person ... 
>
> I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. 
> It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . 
>
> Some say synthetics "cause" one to sweat . I think this is perception. I 
> sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and 
> synthetics do not.  There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel 
> clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so 
> clammy, but  they take a comparatively much longer time to dry .  Apples 
> and oranges. Sweating is sweating . 
>
> I also find the "crew" cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. 
> This is a personal thing.  Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection 
> of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, 
> with natural stretch. Liberal length !  No lycra rubber , which is one 
> reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such 
> tops, it's a Cheap" way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft 
> does it by nature of the fabric weave. 
>
>
> As far as cold riding  . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't 
> enjoy it even below 50.  Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for 
> and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's   :) 
>
>
>
> s
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:26:18 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>> How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for 
>>> cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Bill Lindsay]

EXTREME topics drift!  I know, right?  

McClellan coming up in a Gettysburg reference?!  LMFAO!  McClellan was long 
gone by the time Gettysburg was being fought.  LOLOLOL!!! 


On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:39:56 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into 
> the grave. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Wool Jerseys / Wool Trainer

[Adam DeFayette]

I have 2 Woolistic Wool jersies for for sale, and 1 Woolistic Wool trainer.
 
All are in perfect like-new condition, size medium.
 
Links to each, here:
*http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/wool-trainers/28-molteni-winter-trainer.html*
   
- selling for $150
 
http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/team-wool-jerseys/11-cinzano-wool-jersey.html - 
selling for $85
 
http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/unique-wool-jerseys/38-italian-national-wool-jersey.html
 - 
selling for $75
 
 
Add $7.00 for shipping in the CONUS.
 
Or, buy all three items for a flat $300 ($10 discount), and I'll waive 
shipping.
 
These are beautiful pieces, I hate to let them go, but my wife and I are 
expecting a child soon, and I'm trying to raise some money.
 
 
Please contact me at adam...@hotmail.com
 
Paypal ONLY, to the above email address.
 
Thank you :-)
 
 
 

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[RBW] The intriguing dilemma of having to ride...

[Deacon Patrick]

Fortunately, this one won’t make sense to most of you. That’s a good thing. 
Pray it never really does.

We learned that the construction on the flooded out bridge and dredging of the 
late near our house will continue to Thanksgiving, so I have 8 business days in 
which I need to escape the sound from 8am-5pm brain and weather permitting.

I am blessed that today I get both a happy brain and good weather (sunny, high 
in the 40’s on Pikes Peak). But it is an intriguing exercise on attitude and 
countenance when one HAS to leave from home. I get to do what I love doing, but 
HAVING to do it is something else entirely. Focus on the gifts, rather than 
dwelling on the pain — I get to put that to use in a whole other way!

Then we’re trying to figure out January and February, when the parking lot 
across the creek will be torn up and the flooded out drainage system beneath 
replaced. Hm. Trying to figure out how to afford a two month trip south 
(remote camping is the best option for me to avoid the noises that blow up my 
brain).

Two years ago, when I needed to escape town for noise (generally in the summer 
for concerts at the park across the creek) I had no bike and did not ride one. 
So the Hunqapillar has opened up amazing gift and opportunity these past 18 
months.

Thanks for letting me vent!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Not about the bikes

[John L]

All the pictures from my week in the Bay Area failed to turn out for one 
reason or other (cough, operator error, for the most part) so I can't prove 
it happened.  But I also got out to BBH, got to chat a bit with Grant and 
Keven as well as some of the neighbors, and then took the shop's 62cm 
Hunqapillar for wonderful quick loop around Shell Ridge.  Grant started by 
talking about directions, then offered to lead me to Shell Ridge, and then 
couldn't resist the ride itself. His enthusiasm for the bikes (and 
hatchets, and books, and clothes), the area, and the simple pleasure of 30 
minutes spent knocking about in the local park when the opportunity to 
arises was infectious. Agreed 100% on being honest and real; it was the 
shortest ride of my four days there, but the nicest and most fun.

And now I must have a Hunqapillar.

John

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:11:29 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Had the pleasure to stop by the new shop downtown. I've stopped there a 
> handful of times prior  a couple of weeks ago but now the new location it's 
> starting to take shape onto it's own. Still lots of quirky things that you 
> don't really expect in a bike shop, wood burnt signs and twine mondals.But 
> still keeping that "Rivendell" feel.
>
> Prime example last Friday. Grant was working and I got to see him work his 
> magic. A group of boys came in enamored about hatchets. Throwing hatchets 
> actually. Grant being Grant told them they didn't sell any throwing 
> hatchets but recommended where they could buy some, while he also gave them 
> the run down of their hatchets and some history. Telling them jokingly if 
> they throw this hatchet he would kick their butt. They talked and the kids 
> left with some hatchet knowledge.
>
> Another example another customer came in and actually drawn to the bikes. 
> He ended up leaving learning out to make a Monkey Fist knot. 
>
> The lovely folks at Rivendell have this uncanny ability to be perfectly 
> honest and real with their customers. And I'm glad that it continues with 
> the new shop. Looking forward to the Grand Opening Dec 14.
>
> I guess it helps that their bikes are awesome. 
>
> With the one bike I got to fit in some bike camping, single tracking and a 
> little bit of mountain bike racing this weekend.
>
> Pictures proved that the new shop looks great:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjMDauTo
>
> -Manny "One bike to rule them all" Acosta
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Ron Mc]

Hi David, 
The link clicking on today's installment really shows the blogger's colors. 
 He apparently believes there should be criminal prosecution when a 
motorist has a wreck with a cyclist.  There is no criminal prosecution when 
a motorist kills another motorist - by accident, by definition - unless the 
offending motorist happens to be in the process of a felony or DUI. 
 Otherwise, it's strictly a civil matter, for which we have a system in 
place, and employ 90% of the world's attorneys.  The guy is 
me--me-me-rabid.  Clearly, no other points of view exist for him.  
Regards

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:18:12 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I prefer "Historically accurate fop chariot." 
>
>
> If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: 
> http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use 
> some earthy language. 
>
> On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar > wrote: 
> > On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> >> I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does 
> >> Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the 
> >> key word being "facetiously". 
> > 
> > IMHO words and phrases like "fop chariot" and "reenactment" embody 
> > putrefaction. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Koolstop ThinLine question.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/17/2013 10:38 PM, hsmitham wrote:
Are the Koolstop ThinLine threaded pads used for both 'V" brakes and 
Canti's? I have a set of Paul's Touring Canti's that need 4 new pads. 
Any help to confirm this is appreciated before I pull the trigger.


Quoting from the Paul web site technical information panel for the 
Touring Cantilever:  "Brake Pads  Salmon Koolstop Thinline"


I believe those pads are also used for V brakes, and I know they are 
also used for Paul Racer centerpulls.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Philip Williamson]

I live in the Bay Area. I will attend a Bay Area Riv Rally. I can ride my 
bike to China Camp.

That said: 

A 20th Anniversary Rivendell Bicycles Freaky Jamboree doesn't belong 
anywhere but Mt. Diablo. 
Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on the proposed 
National Jamboree. 
Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on a Twentieth 
Anniversary Shindig. 


I think the Riv folk have something up their sleeveses.

"Television Psychic,"
Philip

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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:36:10 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> I know. How about a loop up through Mendocino County through Anderson 
> Valley, Philo and then down the coast back to the city.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour around 
>> (hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a 
>> bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It 
>>> might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their 
>>> hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead , 
>>> perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of 
>>> the event.
>>>
>>> I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I 
>>> recall some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating 
>>> establishments close to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right 
>>> on San Pablo Bay and food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is 
>>> right there.
>>> C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp! 
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
>>>
  I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there 
 can be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is 
 Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be 
 leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was 
 setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) 
 should 
 select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any 
 additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful 
 undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will 
 likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time 
 for one or more to take action.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

[Philip Williamson]

That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into the 
grave. 

Philip
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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:00:23 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 11/17/2013 05:41 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> > 
> > Moving on: one huge problem afflicting the Northern army was 
> > McClellan, who had delusions of grandeur combined with a fear of 
> > fighting. Anecdote: 
> > 
> > Lincoln and friend Ozias Hatch were on a bluff overlooking the Army of 
> > the Potomac. Lincoln leaned over and whispered, "Hatch: What is 
> > that!?" Hatch: "Why, Mr. Lincoln, it's the Army of the Potomac." 
> > Lincoln (in a loud voice): "No, Hatch, no! That is General McClellan's 
> > bodyguard!" 
> > 
> > Another: "If General McClellan isn't using the army, I'd like to 
> > borrow it." 
> > 
>
> In my opinion McClellan did not want to win and was little more than a 
> Copperhead in uniform. 
>
>

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