from:"J. T."

i didnt mind the noodling at all except for one song. they were tight as 
hell. they played kraftwerk's numbers, best cover i've ever heard of 
kraftwerk, it was ur-ized. and the sounds were perfect. they played amazon. 
electronic warfare, jupiter jazz, soulsaver...afrogermanic? it's all a blur 
now. it was mindblowing. they had great video projections as well. i will 
leave it to somebody with more energy and better words to give a more 
complete rundown

"...sake it's MAD MIKE DOING THE NOODLING."

MORE!! MORE!! PLASE!!

How was his skills? And the other dudes, did they all fit, were they tight
as a group? What about Dex? Any particular highlights of the set?

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> One of our fellow 313 peeps (who shall remain nameless) almost managed
> to get himself thrown out of the UR gig for taking pics. He was able
> to stay after deleting said material from his camera. He said the
> venue was interesting...white walls and no smoking inside (there was a
> back patio).  That's about all I got out of him..:)
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RE: (313) my personal experience at movement


There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major


what about miller, mtv europe, panasonic, and everybody's favorite...Big 
Boy! (ok maybe that's not major, but it was great)


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RE: (313) Movement report (for alex :P)

it was NOT nice meeting tristan..:P just playing! i accidentally deleted 
your name from my list of shouts..no pikeys allowed! sorry we couldnt chat 
more...i was so tired...


anyways, i hope they were able to raise a bunch of money and it happens 
again next year...


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(313) Movement report (for alex :P)


i guess this is mostly for you alex...hey!
it was a fun weekend, tho i forgot how much festivals freak me out. too many 
people. too many nasty people. too tired to be around so many people.
most everything i saw at the festival i enjoyed, tho i didnt see a whole 
lot.
saturday it was novamen, who were fantastic (nice alden tyrell covers too! 
they revealed later that during 'love explosion' they were singing 'f*ck 
alden tyrell' and other disses hahaha), legowelt (whose sound sucked 
unfortunately, until the last 3 or 4 songs)...came back after dinner to hear 
jaylib and pbw, all very nice, pbw played lots of nice disco and funk stuff. 
jaylib were jaylib!
sunday, arrived to hear the end of louis haiman's liveset on the mainstage, 
which was phenomenal, beautiful and deep, very very transmat..then over to 
duplex who were excellent as well. took a break to go to submerge, came back 
for orlando, great tracks and great mixing, terrible sound...also there were 
so many ravers down there it got me really depressed. so it was nice to 
watch ron trent for awhile (where there were virtually no phatdawgs, and 
great sound), lots of great prescriptiony house and loads of other good 
stuff i'm not remembering now...jamie principle, fingers, a dancemania thing 
or two, eddy grant, etc. then tried to watch some francois k, he started 
with ur but from there it was really hard and boring. wish i had known T!M 
is frame six, and owner of grammar, he has great taste in techno and makes 
very very nice tracks himself, but we left without checking..
monday, aardvarck and all out k were very nice, lots of hiphop and dope 
broken beats from aardvarck, lots of nice house from all out k. nice relaxed 
audience/atmosphere. kenny larkin played a couple nice tracks but was mostly 
banging and boring, and the sound was once again too loud/bassy (very good 
during aardvarck and christiaan tho). kai alce was great, loads of good 
house and old disco etc..genesis live was great, superb drummer, great band 
all around, they performed that betty wright song from the omar s. 
record..missed most of electrofunk live but what i saw was so dope...kevin 
saunderson was godawful, started with drexciya intro from drexciya 4, then 
spastik, and big fun and red 3 were in there somewhere, but everything else 
was trance/progressive, realyy bad...kevin reynolds was insane 
good...probably the liveset i enjoyed the most of the whole festival. 
recloose started with some nice songs, no ufo's, carl craig remix of la funk 
mob, but it was time to leave for the ur party.


afterpartiesminto was a madman at the wheel fri night and we arrived at 
the green light go party way too late to get in, so we went over to the 
ayro/recloose/john arnold etc one, and had a great time. nice interesting 
stuff from ayro (great live keys!), extrmely good liveset from john 
arnold! i love all his housier stuff especially, and just a great 
performer..nice to run into the rh guys here too. only negative was that 
there was some sleazy gay dude in the audience who kept trying to bump n 
grind with me and several others from my crew..


no afterparties for us sat night, just late night denny's. sunday night tho, 
novamen and ultradyne (we missed jan d, mesu kasumai, jan d, counter 
couture, and polarius/speculator)...just an incredible time, awesome stuff 
from novamen, better than their movement performance, and 
ultradyneinsanethe sound was thru some pretty pathetic peavey 
speakers unfortunately, but the quality of the music...damnvery close 
runner up to the ur partyas for that, not even worth describing, 
deserves better words than i can say..best liveset i've ever seen, best show 
i've ever been to...


techno brings people together was fun too, shake was cracking everybody 
up...i agree with that guy. nice dj'ing from strand, nice songs from scan 7, 
very tasty food made by trackmaster lou, great set from mitch walcott, great 
people. as always meeting people and seeing frieds was the real highlight of 
the weekend, nice to finally meet matt macQ! jwan! jason! shawn! curt, adam, 
tom and all the other technoirs, kent, john o, alex lugo, toronto and 
vancouver peeps, laura and silvan from paris...and to see again dan sicko, 
shake, yusef, kj, gabe, bethany, tommy, everbody..and especially all the 
dutch people who spent most of the time with, stefan (who had all his gear 
with him but nowhere to play! :(), aida, kj, danny, ingmar and overdose, 
corine, christiaan and antal, chris & john, mike kivits...and really great 
hanging with philip mcgarva mr microworld the whole weekend..deeply regret 
not getting to meet robin and chris, and that alex, stewart, tom (?) and 
everybody else couldnt make it..


my only real complaints are that it was very frustrating that the sound on 
the underground stage consistently sucked, and that the overriding rule for 
the sound guys was to make everything as banging as possible...but 
generally, is

Re: (313) new Carl Craig mix

2004-05-25 Thread J. T.


whats up with everyone loving that angola remix so much?

I dig it too, but the pepe bradock get down dub version is sooo 
much

better IMO, although not for DJing I guess.


that much better? i like them both but the cc mix is techno. the pepe is 
less different from the original somehow, more smooth downtempo kinda thing.



I'd like to hear the ultramarine remixes, as I've been a UM fan since like
94 and swas disappointed when they stopped putting out tracks.


the ultrarmarine mixes are great! the other realsoon releases are great too. 
um has been putting out new tracks under new names ;)


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(313) adonis' new label - be on his next record

2004-05-22 Thread J. T.

adonis is looking for people (anyone! -- but check his int'l wantlist ;) to 
record little shout outs to be included on his next record...deadline in 1 
week


info here
http://www.hotmix.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=749&p=1

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(313) rob hood @ oslo

2004-05-22 Thread J. T.

another party for the technotourist site (that submit process is too 
complicated for me)


fri may 28th at the oslo: rob hood, legowelt, and perspects
flyer at http://www.s-y-d.com/softcurls.jpg

the only appearance for rob hood i've seen so far...too bad green light go 
is the same night.


btw did i read correctly on the soft curls site that giorgio moroder was in 
detroit last fri playing with carlos souffront? did anybody go? i mean, 
daum, worth checking out i would think..


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RE: (313) mp3(13) ...

2004-05-19 Thread J. T.

haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? 
more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more 
profit...oh well, whatever.


sellable in the context of underground dancemusic...i don't things are there 
yet? but i dont know.
dan k or somebody involved in this stuff, lemme know (privately) how things 
are working out for you. i know some environ stuff is on iTunes or whatever 
too, but dunno how it does either.


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RE: (313) mp3(13) ...

2004-05-19 Thread J. T.


did you miss something here, or am i misreading something? 40% of
$2 is $.80, times 1000 = $800. thats gotta be easier to earn than
$800 selling vinyl records, especially considering the lack of
upfront costs for the artist.


haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? 
more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more 
profit...oh well, whatever.


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RE: (313) mp3(13) ...

2004-05-19 Thread J. T.


It already has. Less vinyl is selling, and fewer titles are being pressed.


i'd like to see evidence linking declining vinyl sales to mp3s. anybody else 
read the oberholzer-gee report? it's excellent. it begins by shooting down 
the assumption that every mp3 downloaded is a sale lost, which is the flaw 
of every other report i've seen which blames mp3's..google it.


mp3 marketing - first of all, how do you compete with free (soulseek)? i 
know there are various little gimmicks/bonuses you can use, but it seems 
like most people would just get it free...second of all, is there ANY money 
in mp3's? i don't know the specifics of iPod, but the offers i've seen from 
lesser known mp3 sites are along the lines of 40% net (60% to the site). at 
$2 a download it would take 1000 sales to make 80 bucks. it's better than 
nothing, but...


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Re: (313) movement lineup

2004-05-17 Thread J. T.

Oh and anyone noticed some changes to the Movement line-up?  I haven't seen 
these names on the list before:


- Traxx
- BMG of Ectomorph
- Kill Memory Crash
- Sal Principato of Liquid Liquid


cool...they've also added links to bios to some/most of the names...unless i 
just hadnt noticed that before..


alden tyrell's name is still on the roster, but he cancelled his preceding 
u.s. tour at the last minute. maybe (i hope) he will still fly over for the 
festival...but i would not be surprised if not..


also there is another afterparty sunday night, i see it isnt on the 
technotourist list yet:


Live :
Dj Overdose (of novamen)
Ultradyne
Counter-Couture
Mesu Kasumai (aka tangible on pi gao movement)

DJ:
Polarius
Speculator
Jan D.
Grackle vs Smackos

at the detoit art space sunday/may 30
10pm $10

http://www.viacirca.com

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Re: (313) detroit movement lineup


agh you beat me kj

to here in holland. Legowelt is good for some cheesy melodies, he/they are 
on bunker. Kevin Reynolds makes some really good music,


ohh you write legowelt off way too easy tho! lots more than cheesey 
melodies, also lotsa dirty chicago trax, crazy soundtracky stuff, and he is 
more the nu-italo king than tyrell if you ask me! i-f is the king anyways, 
legowelt the prince..tyrell the duke..or something..well i guess this will 
be the showdown :P he has also done stuff on viewlexx, clone, holosynthesis, 
creme, stilleben, down low, ghostly, blah blah blah...


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Re: (313) detroit movement lineup


Duplex Live - anyone seen Duplex live before?


kj played with them, wussup? i don't care if they just hit start on their 
sequencer and stand there, is some of the best deep techno around i'm 
pumped!



Joris Voorn live - I hear nothing but great things


hmm what i've heard is bangin mills type stuff, not my thing, but ok. i 
think there was one i kinda liked on his keynote record...surely will go 
down well with others tho



Sean Deason - More [313] timers doin' good. :)


wutsup sean, are you dj'ing or live? either way, play zig! please?

Alden Tyrell live -- i-f's right-hand man, italo-disco / electro-disco what 
have you, some reayyy good stuff especially that first one he did on 
viewlexx, "love explosion"


Louis Haiman -- very deep stuff, what i've heard is mostly 
beatless/non-dancefloor, transmat artist


Novamen Live -- the hague electro-bass, serious electro jams with huge 
808's and nice vocoders, classic stuff...probably playing with dj overdose 
included


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RE: (313) detroit movement lineup

i thought the whole self-censoring thing was because many subscribers had 
profanity filters on incoming mail, so if you want to be heard, you watch 
your mouth.


no, well maybe that too, but if you use the f-word your post is filtered out 
by the 313 server itself..i think? i always figured the same was true for 
other profanity...


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RE: (313) detroit movement lineup

looks plenty good to me, i'm excited, lots of good artists i'm familiar with 
and lots of interesting looking other stuff i'm not...the dutch stuff is 
definitely a highlight! i was hoping for live UR in some shape/form tho 
since they played (?? havent heard a report! anybody??) the final frontier 
10th anniversary party in rome back in april. ahh well. not to get started 
on the "why isn't so-n-so playing" stuff. i'm sure there will be some nice 
afterparties..


btw the listing didnt specify but legowelt is live as well, and is highly 
likely he'll be playing stuff from half-a-dozen of his other aliases as well 
(macho cat/polarius/raheem/squadra blanco/gladio/etc etc)


hey since when can we say "shit" on 313?? i hadnt seen any profanity in ages 
on here, then saw it twice in one day...i've been censoring myself for ages



well, i'm a bit disappointed in the movement lineup
this year.  i didn't expect it to be as good as last
year's (jeff mills!), but the only person i'm really
excited about is claude young.  oh well.  hopefully
i'll get turned on to some new folks, or the
afterparties will make up for it, i hope.  rats.  and i
took off a lot of time to spend at the festival this
year.  maybe there'll be a submerge party.??
maybe??

monikat, who's spending far too much money
going to techno events this year...



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RE: (313) forgotten EP's

aww! that cityboy record is great deep fm techno yeah, there is also another 
one troy did on 1200 called "waverider" which is cool too. 1200 was/is masa 
from groovetech's label.


nowadays troy goes as "dfd". he had a track on down low 004 satellite 
cities, and dL006, the missing dL cat #, is all him and should finally be 
out this fall. it's really really deep and pretty electro/techno stuff..


  hi folks.  i had some free time last night...  started poking through 
some long-unplayed titles.  i came across a cityboy EP on 1200 records.  
production by troy anderson...  some great, model 500 style trax.  it was a 
pleasant surprise to re-discover a forgotten EP.  anyone else have any 
tales about EP's that have languished in the crates for too long?


cheers,
lrh



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Re: (313) Worst Track Played (Was Saunderson & Craig last weekend)

2004-05-06 Thread J. T.

Electric Avenue was a decent song until you heard it 1,323,456 times. 
There's
a mix/edit of it that is pretty decent, that my friend Michelle drops once 
in

a while.


exactly. i associate it with shoe commercials, electronics stores, fast 
food, it's been used so many times in commercials, tv shows, etc. it's still 
a good song of course but i can't enjoy it anymore. it's not cheesey by it's 
own right but because of how played out it is in pop/commercial culture. 
still there are much cheesier songs you hear out, especially now that 
everybody and their mom plays old disco and italo


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Re: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 30 April 2004 - download sets

2004-05-05 Thread J. T.

I think "end of may"... this collection of material, some old and some new 
is excellent.. I played the first track on the CD... a few tracks are 
exclusive to CD I believe.JT  want to chime in?  It's reay good 
man!   :)


thanks matt alex robin...the cd has 1 exclusive track (the one you played), 
a 12" with the other new tracks, a m>o>s remix, and one or two tracks not on 
the cd , are scheduled for mid-june


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Re: (313) new kenny larkin lp

2004-05-04 Thread J. T.

yes i know exactly what you mean... gut-wrenching feelings and raw 
production.. but at the same time very modern and deep.


does that make any sense?


sure! there's definitely a conceptual argument there. but even beyond that, 
i hear some of the same sort of notes, tonality, musical ideas, in some 
stuff. i dont know enough about music to describe it more clearly. but for 
instance theo's "heal yourself and move" has a piano riff that very much 
reminds me of old blues...and tho it's not uniquely techno, portamento and 
pitchbend can remind back to blues a lot...i dunno, i hear a lot of the same 
feelings coming thru, but maybe it's just because i have heard so much 
blues..


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Re: (313) new kenny larkin lp

2004-05-04 Thread J. T.

the way i heard it was that he was shopping 2 albums (one being dark 
comedy), but the peacefrog is those 2 albums combined and minus "filler"? 
heard it from some dude who works at a label that was considering the albums 
before peacefrog, but maybe he's mistaken. and since i now count 3 albums 
being mentioned, maybe there is still at least 1 more out there.


i really like the idea of a "techno blues" style even if its just a new name 
for something thats been around...i've always heard a lot of the blues 
feeling in lots of the deepest (and my favorite) detroit stuff, and finally 
here is a nice marketing name for it...plus i just love the idea of some 
super walter davis inspired techno or something..my favorite theo stuff has 
a lot of blues in it i think..



I've heard that one of the other 2 lps is a Dark Comedy album. Don't know 
much more than that though.


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LOL! No qualms about that - I'm looking on it as an investment into my 
personal happiness, who needs food anyway?


Seriously though - anyone have anymore details on the other 2 lps? e.g. 
when they're due, who's releasing them, style etc.


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Re: (313) My take on Yussel

2004-05-01 Thread J. T.

i kinda agree about the limitations of your set when you're a dj on tour but 
it's not as bad as what you guys are saying. a record crate holds a lot of 
records, enough for 3 completely different sets at least, mix and match and 
you have i dunno 6 or 7 pretty different sets.


also a fun thing to do is go record shopping before your gig if you have 
time, en play those records that night. guess you gotta have room to carry 
them to your next gig tho. i was recently in atlanta for a show and me and 
the other guys i was with hit a recordstore beforehand and found a bunch of 
dancemania and trax for $1 each. that stuff was almost all that got played 
that night...fun...guess you don't do that so much when you're a bigshot 
with a big paycheck tho and people are paying $25 to get in or whatever, but 
i dont think that applies to most dj's or most occasions..whatever...


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RE: (313) Detroit In Effect/Whatever Happened To The Future?

2004-04-30 Thread J. T.


That seems to
>count
>for a lot right now.

u got kids? how bout h.i.v?

Good points you make jt.


hahaha you know i wasn't trying to be all serious or anything right?? those 
are d.i.e. lyrics...from "r u married?"


r u married?
r u occupied?

hahahaha

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RE: (313) Detroit In Effect/Whatever Happened To The Future?

2004-04-30 Thread J. T.


tracks. Also, basically, everybody likes a bit of nostalgia don't they?! If
these tracks weren't so naive, raw, and unpretentious, I thgink I'd be less
inclined to like them. I'm a sucker for basic and unpolished. To me, if
there's a 'soul' to be seen, you'll see it more clearly that way. Don't get
me wrong. D.I.E isn't particularly deep. It's about fun. That seems to 
count

for a lot right now.


u got kids? how bout h.i.v?
d.i.e. is so deep, stop playin!! i'm serious. their stuff is way deep. 
strings! echoes! vox from the men you'll never see...and they sound like 
cybotron because well, some of their stuff samples the hell out of cybotron! 
that will make you sound deep too. they also sampled my favorite egyptian 
lover track...

d.i.e. rules. i hope they play the festival.
they used to be known as cybonix (in effect!) on d-bass. i only have d-bass 
stuff on old teep tapes but that stuff is soo dope too...bass techno, 
blazing...i wish i could track down vinyl but it's very rare these days...


jt

ps look out for the upcoming orgue electronique ep on cremeit's lovely 
deep techno and house, beautiful...not enough records like it..


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RE: (313) radio playlist - 25/4/04

2004-04-25 Thread J. T.


Kenny Larkin private press - tasty! anyone else had a listen yet?


i've been meaning to ask...is this track actually like 12 years old or 
something? just out of curiosity. it's called "let me think" and on that 
P.O.D. ep there is an excerpt off the radio at one point announcing a track 
of same name..


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Re: (313) RE: 10 years?

2004-04-23 Thread J. T.

yes that's pretty much where minto and i met, tho we were both on 313 as 
well.
morgan was there, darshan, anabella from jersey devil/ma..charles noel, ed 
luna, i think todd sines?..teep, kent w...jeff samuel...lotsa fun...candy 
ravers on channel 1 broadcasting everything..ha
i joined 313 sometime in 95..probably said lotsa stupid things, more than 
now, afraid to look

jt

Did anyone here subscribe to vrave.   Remember it was a telnet app...
Good fun

Used to speak to darshan (now of metro area) quite a lot..very cool guy...

p

On 23/4/04 11:57 am, "Marsel // Nomorewords.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> no need to be shy
>
> you got wonderful tits!!
>
> be proud
> be wonderful!
>
> :)
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Kelly, Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 april 2004 11:45
> Aan: '313@hyperreal.org'
> Onderwerp: (313) RE: 10 years?
>
>
>> i feel older everyday..
>
> you look it marsel  ;)
>
>> how many are left from way back then?
>> jason martin, matt macqueen, hans veneman, teep, .. ?
>
> i was here too, but so shy i didn't speak much (nothing changes).. i was
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] back in the day..
>
> now the delsin bike has made me more shy..
>

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Re: (313) the future

2004-04-21 Thread J. T.

therefore it could very well be that you are surrounded by much more
futuristic music then you'd think, you just don't recognise it as such, as
it's not compattible with your view of the future.

i thought this was very well put.
i don't have much of a conception of the future right now, my vision is
pretty nearsighted. which sort of makese sense as technology has stopped
making distinct advances and instead moves along in subtle improvements. in
the 80's there was the jump into the digital age, now everything seems just
further refinements of existing technology, pushing digital further.
socially/politically, things are just sort of stagnant these days, going
nowhere, fermenting. so anyways it kind of fits somehow that much new music
consists of refining or bulding upon past styles.

there was a real energy of vision about the future in the 80's and early
90's. it may be in the past now, but things were just plain more futuristic
then. because now futurism perpetuates a sense of the present, its a
paradox. try looking to the future now and a concrete sense of the present
overwhelms it. but the present is refining and reusing the past. so look to
the past, and you end up in the present again, or with a retro idea of the
future. retro futurism is the most powerful futurism right now, even if it's
obsolete.

or something. i'm confused.

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Re: (313) OT Prince LP

2004-04-19 Thread J. T.


He does some of the older material, I think he's retiring that. He doesn't


yeah there's an article on him in the last Time magazine -- this is the last 
time he's playing his older stuff. supposedly.


they also talk about him being a jehovah's witness now and how you'd think 
it would tone down his lyrics but that his new album gets pretty risque in 
spite of that...ha!


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(313) Oberholzer-Gee report on filesharing

2004-04-15 Thread J. T.

as reported on by the nytimes a few weeks ago..( 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30813F83A5D0C768CDDAD0894DC404482 
)


the full Oberholzer-Gee report:
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf

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RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?

2004-04-15 Thread J. T.


ah well, good points...
i just dont care anymore or something i guess. or maybe i am too broke. if 
it was normal price i'd buy it, but since it's way marked up, no way.
granted those of us selling records at normal wholesale price aren't making 
squat. but it just seems a little odd when you have even more rare chit 
getting repressed and sold at normal price, but oh this, this is special! it 
does smell of some kinda techno elitism or something to me. and is 
definitely taking advantage of collector mindset/fetishism, but if you're a 
collector or horny for this record, what do you care i guess. i still think 
you're being suckered, but if you're a willing sucker i guess you're not 
really a sucker. it's kinda sickly funny that putting a high price on 
something is actually a way to hype it up nowadays. pricing a repress as if 
it immediately shares the rarity of the original is a bit of a marketing 
trick, but if it works, hey. basic channel, clone, rephlex, environ, etc etc 
you guys missed out on the $$...doh!
of course i want to get ahold of good music (that i dont have to have my 
computer on to listen to) and this makes me wish i could afford to be a 
collector. with my reasoning and my budget, there's no way i can feel ok 
buying this thing. it kinda bugs me but whatever. i'll look for it in the 
used bins etc. they'll end up there sooner or later whether they pressed a 
lot or a few anyways. there's plenty floating around now..
anyways thanks for the pov dave, you forgot to insult my mentality or 
appreciation for music tho...



Well JT, all I can say is I've wanted this record for YEARS, if I see it
in Gramaphone I will probably pick it up even for $16-17.  I bet that
there are a lot of people like me, I don't think we are getting played
or jacked.  Note that I already have it on MP3, but I love vinyl and I
think this is really a seminal Detroit techno record, something worth
owning for the rest of my life.  I'm not buying it just because it is
rare.  Sure, maybe they pressed too many copies and the prices will come
down - but how can we know if that is the case?  And why not let an
artist make a little extra money off a great record, he couldn't have
made THAT MUCH on the original to begin with.

Remember, people can find the mp3 for free.  The value of vinyl is that
people like me enjoy owning it despite the availability of mp3s.  Sure I
look for good deals buying records, but I do collect music that I really
like just because I love it, and I'm willing to pay for this.  The vinyl
market is NOT for everyone, it is elitist by its very nature.  High
pricing for limited pressings of classics does make sense, as long as
they don't press so many that the price turns out to be unsustainable
and they can't sell all the copies produced.

~David

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Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?

>so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont
>understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be
>happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise
>you wouldnt pay crazy loot for.

i'm not a music lover. i was just playing. music is for the birds tweet
tweet
who said i didnt like the record? i just dont like the price. i've got
better things to spend my money on, like, new stuff thats priced
normally. i
dont even buy old records for high prices, i find them cheap or i dont
have
them. there is too much great music out there that can be found cheap.

>stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order
>things they think they wont be able to sell.

i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those

69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho.

>excellent argument.

i respond to hot air with hot air

>the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they
>determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl?

yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the
runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly
identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity
of
the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely
available..

>this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just
>started selling their records for more because they are who they
>are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is
>altogether different.

which is the "established anthem" on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i

dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after
techno
collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's

carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wayyy

RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?


so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont
understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be
happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise
you wouldnt pay crazy loot for.


i'm not a music lover. i was just playing. music is for the birds tweet 
tweet
who said i didnt like the record? i just dont like the price. i've got 
better things to spend my money on, like, new stuff thats priced normally. i 
dont even buy old records for high prices, i find them cheap or i dont have 
them. there is too much great music out there that can be found cheap.



stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order
things they think they wont be able to sell.


i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 
69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho.



excellent argument.


i respond to hot air with hot air


the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they
determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl?


yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the 
runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly 
identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of 
the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available..



this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just
started selling their records for more because they are who they
are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is
altogether different.


which is the "established anthem" on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i 
dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno 
collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's 
carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa 
bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and 
those represses were cheap..


anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag

throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced 
normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you can 
argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played. of 
course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid for 
it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a jack 
move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are aimed 
at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the repress 
is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought 
after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially 
calling a record "rare" even as it's hot off the presses and available 
everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry collapsing on 
itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing customers 
(collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon people 
will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there will be 
copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector demand 
will evaporate. it's a a gaaame, and i do not like these games



ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at "shades of jae" by
moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5


what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things 
sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a decent 
little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to 
comic book collecting. price trends are extreme, and shortlived. what might 
be "worth" $50 this year, in five years could be worth $5. or you might just 
find it for $1 in some secondhand store somewhere. some people only look to 
eBay...italo is crazy on there too. dirt cheap if you actually look for it. 
like, give a wantlist to somebody you know in nyc or chicago...



im the sucker because i have a record i want? how does that make
sense? IMO youre a sucker if you pass up a chance to buy a great


it doesnt make sense, but you asked not me. you're asking yourself questions 
that dont make sense, which really doesnt make sense.


it didnt make sense to pay $17 for 4 jazz funk when we could (and did) spend 
less money on a couple fragile represses, an original copy of voice of q, 
and classic old dancemania chit. we got an entire dj set of classics for 
less than $17. we probably would have bought 4 jazz funk if it was priced 
normally. if we were eagerly after it, maybe we would have paid the $17. and 
be happy to have it. but it still doesnt justify the pricing. considering 
what we could spend our money on instead, it made a whole lot more sense to 
just hope to run into a cheaper copy some other time



record because of a $10 price increase. dont go out to eat one
night. dont buy a couple drinks next time youre at the club
watching deejays spin. $10 isnt $100, there are so many ways that
money can be spent that i

RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?


but will you get this record? its certainly not easy to come by
used for nothing. im sure some people will have their stories, but
in a smaller city like pittsburgh, theres pretty much zero chance
of me coming up with that record.


who cares. i'll get a dozen other records that are equally good. i'm a music 
lover not a collector..in most cases..

.

demand IS that great though! like i said=, all the distros with it
that ive seen (unique, watts, and 161) were out of it within hours
of having it in. and that was at a price of $10 wholesale!


well we'll see how well the stores can actually sell it. none of the people 
i was with at recordtime looked twice at it. too much other good chit to buy 
for 1/3 the price



when the only other way to get it is through ebay, its worth that
by far. and i dont think this record needed any more hype than it
already has from being an excellent record.


fart


also, AFAIK theres no difference between the repress and the
original. in 20 years, no one will know or even remember which one
is which.


thats a completely false assertion. thats what record collecting is all 
about. my dad's been selling rare records for 40 yearsand i've been 
selling stuff on ebay for quite awhile. music lovers dont care about 
pressings etc, but this chit isnt priced for music lovers. but it will be 
soon enough...in 20 years it will be very easy to remember which pressing is 
which because the original will cost a fortune and the repress will be 
affordable...as it should be now.



the peacefrog joints are a whole other story. those are tunes with
no prior track record. i think that practice is a little weak,


but the artist roster has plenty of draw. it's really not so different. just 
sought after artists instead of sought after tracks..



much more willing to pay for records that i know and want that are
hard to get ahold of. their rarity and goodness is established,
not created.


a repress is not rare and does not deserve that price, the end. you dont 
press a rare record, it becomes rare over time. the rarity of the original 
record is established. the inflated cost of a repress is just trying to 
quickly take advantage of the demand for the original. it's a cheap trick. 
guarantee you the repress will be worth less than current wholesale price in 
5 years.


you're missing the point entirely. just because you can price something high 
and still sell it ok doesnt mean you are justified in doing so (by anything 
other than overzealous capitalism). clone could have priced their glass 
domain rerelease similarily, but didnt. because they are not trying to 
overcapitalize. your willingness to pay exorbitant prices does not excuse 
the jacked up pricetag...it makes you a sucker...



it hasnt taken one tiny bit of joy out of me finally being able to
own 4 jazz funk classics. if nothing else, im extremely excited.


you got the collector itch in you, or a thick wallet -- i hope a thick 
wallet so you're still buying other stuff



if pressing small numbers and charging high prices will convince
people to repress hard to find classics, im ALL FOR IT. if carl


cool, you're the one they're selling to then..


repressed each of the retroactive records at that price, id buy
each and every one of them.


really? i sure wouldnt. they're not all great, some sound very dated now. 
but following this new pricing strategy down the line, why not just repress 
100 copies of the retroactive stuff and sell them for $100 each. make $10k 
off 100 records, yea! can you still not see why that sucks? from a music 
lover's pov, it sucksfor the collectors, for the stores it's great...i 
pretty much make my living selling stuff to compulsive collectors, but i am 
not about to become one, i cant afford it...


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RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?

what?? there's no reason for a gd repress to be $17. f that. i aint buying 
it. i'll wait to pick up a dozen other classics for the same money at a 
secondhand place. there's loads of other classics out there...
i dont think there are many positive ramifications of pricing records this 
way.
it is supply and demand yes, high price to make as much profit as possible 
because demand is not that great. those who want it want it bad enough to 
pay the retarded price. it's a kinda shady way to hype your product: it 
costs a lot -- it must be good! it's worth it! well maybe, but it's not 
worth 3 times the price of other new records, especially not for a repress. 
even from a collector standpoint..all glory is to the original pressing, 
traditionally represses arent worth much, they even devalue. you cant put a 
price on good music, but there is a standard price for records so...
overall i think this trend stinks. leaves buyers with a smaller budget for 
other new records, gives these high-priced "classics", new peacefrogs etc, 
somewhat undue priority with your wallet. nice marketing trick but makes the 
vinyl market even more exclusive, and harder for smaller labels to stay in 
the game. generally takes some joy out of buying new records. whatever.

props to clone for repressing glass domain with a normal pricetag.



its supply and demand. even @ $10 and up from US distros, all the
distros were out within hours of getting them in. i know my demand
for the record was well over $17 (what i paid for it from
submerge) but well under what a used copy goes for on ebay. ill be
happy to get the other 69 records for the same price as well. now
carl needs to repress those retroactive records and a couple more
early planet e joints to make me happy.

tom


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(313) Re: () SIX NINE represses?

i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the weekend...it was $16!! 
maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money anyway so didnt 
ask. is it a euro press & distrib thing? orr..oh well.



I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ nouveau casino 
-Paris) and he said the three "69" records are going to be repressed, but 
he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who missed them and 
don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!!


Hope that helps :)


On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote:



  can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 
represses?
it's nice to be able to own a copy of "4 jazz funk classics" without 
having

to sell major organs to fund the purchase.




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RE: (313) Movement line-up

2004-04-05 Thread J. T.

i should add "as far as i hear.." ...if true, i'm still hoping he changes 
his mind...
marco passarani & half of mat101 will be doing a little usa tour in 
mid-may..would be some nice additions to the lineup!



i-f is a no-go..


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RE: (313) Movement line-up

2004-04-05 Thread J. T.


i-f is a no-go..

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Re: (313) dutch stage on demf

2004-04-03 Thread J. T.

unofficially, i've heard novamen and alden tyrell will be there as well...

From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (313) dutch stage on demf
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:31:11 +0200

Also the line-up that got published yesterday is published by the 
government related Dutch Pop Institute, today i read some messages from 
Sound Architecture/SoundVision/Generator  (the people who do the dutch 
stage) that they have not announced this line-up it ain't official or 
something like that...

KJ

 for some reason I'm not able to post to the 313 list recently, but I-F 
seems pretty much confirmed according to his post on the CBS forum...

 Last official I-f gigs:

 27-03 Moscow (+ Intergalactic Gary)
 08/04 Barcelona, Loft. (Resident jam)
 08/05 Augsburg
 28/05 Detroit DEMF

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(313) ishkur's guide to electronic music

2004-03-28 Thread J. T.


http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

funn, good

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(313) fsk - first take then shake

2004-03-25 Thread J. T.


this sounds really interesting...anyone heard it?
i used to hear fsk on the radio here in chapel hill quite a bit, cool stuff, 
but it's been ages.


http://www.diskob.com/c/fsk/db123.html

F.S.K. are still the most invited non-english band to attend Peel-sessions 
and are one of the few german bands besides Can who were granted an entry in 
a book called the Unknown Legends of Rock'N'Roll".


In February 2003 they went to Uphon Studio/Weilheim with engineer Mario 
Thaler (The Notwist, Tied + Tickled Trio) for the fourth time and recorded 
their new album with one half of the tracks being instrumentals and the 
other half (again) songs with lyrics.


The roughmixes of these songs were sent to the Detroit-based afro-american 
techno/house legend Anthony "Shake" Shakir. F.S.K goes afro-germanic. In 
september Shakir flew to Munich with his sampler and one more week was spend 
together with the band in Weilheim producing "First Take Then Shake". A band 
Photograph was shot in front of the legendary BMW building: motor cities 
united. The first praise of this unusual cooperation already appeared in the 
most important german music magazines months before the album's release.


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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-25 Thread J. T.

i think it's easiest to describe detroit techno if you describe the 
prototype records and dont worry about how it's evolved and branched off 
over the years. ie strings (!), soulfulness, depth, experimentation, 
futurism etc etc. you dont have to worry about giving a picture perfect 
description. thats what people have ears for. and like any other genre of 
music you need a bit of context to get the point across. somebody who is 
unfamiliar with dance music isnt going to be immediately open to the 
nuances, they will need some reference points. screw it, just give them a 
copy of techno rebels and a tape/cd. that's what i've done more than once.

jt

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Re: (313) This list / Iridite 04

2004-03-19 Thread J. T.

Iridite 4.  I just picked this up when I found a white label sitting around 
at Gramaphone, after being impressed by the snippet on the Submerge 
website.  I just want to say that this record is GREAT.  Exactly the kind 
of techno record I'm looking for but can never find - well produced, very 
futuristic type sound, deep with lots of musical substance, and at the same 
time enough drive it can work on the dancefloor with a little more uptempo 
set.  It is so hard to find records like this.  A perfect extension of the 
313 techno concept.  If anyone else knows of records along these lines let 
me know.  I like deep and sophisticated but I don't necessarily want my 
records down-tempo I guess, and I'm still more partisan to the techno vibe 
than any jazzy-soul-house type mood (with some exceptions of course!).


there's a new iridite record on down low you can get via submerge -- hasnt 
hit real distribution yet; was supposed to be released via rh next week and 
a week later thru u.s. distrib but it may have been pushed back. this one is 
all pretty uptempo stuff. and i agree iridite stuff is both classic and 
futuristic sounding, which is what makes me love it...


jt

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RE: (313) La Haine (was ron's edits)

2004-03-19 Thread J. T.

I have to admit that I am UTTERLY obsessed with this track at the moment - 
I go into some kind of weird body spasm trance every time I hear it. I also 
keep making all my friends listen to it, but they just look at me like I'm 
weird


Anyone else get that with tracks sometimes where no one else seems to 
understand?


(The new Madvillain track is my other one like that at the moment)


haha yeah...that andres track "salvador de bahia" last year...when i got it 
i was so excited but when i played it for friends it was just another lowkey 
house track or something.


i soulseeked that madvillain album and deleted it quickly. same for rjd2 and 
other recent mf doom and viktor vaughn. good but typical hiphop. same for 
ronnie cash on house shoes. still looking for something else as forward and 
electronic and weird and entertaining as jaylib...trying to track down some 
of yussell's reccomends...


jt

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Re: (313) looking for something to read

2004-03-16 Thread J. T.


also
Discographies - by Jeremy Gilbert and Ewan Pearson (isn' he half of Slam or 
something on Soma?)
i showed it to my pop music professor at school and he became interested in 
making it part of the curriculum. nice collection of articles rooted in 
dance culture focusing on culture and communication etc, kinda academic but 
well written all the same.




 these might be of interest:
mel cheren 'keep on dancing' is a good read. his ex opened paradise garage
and mel provided the financial backing. covers gay new york dance history,
new york in general and mel settles scores with everybody he's ever met.
worth it alone for the photos of 70s fire island.

for some high theory, i've got a book called 'you better work it'. it
basically covers black new york dance. it reads like a Ph.D. thesis and I
find it too boring to read. but others seem to like it.
james
www.jbucknell.com




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I'm going to order the Jeff Mills DVD from Amazon and I want to get either
another DVD (a music documentary maybe) or a good book
 - I've worn out the spine on both my AMG Electronica and Techno Rebels
books - reading the AMG guide to Soul/R&B

checking my Amazon wish list I've got the following books lined up and
would appreciate feedback if anyone has read them:

"Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture 1970-1979"

"Site of Sound: of Architecture and the Ear"

"Architecture as a Translation of Music"

"Doing Our Own Thing: The Degradation of Language and Music and Why We
Should, Like, Care"

"Clubbing: Clubbing Culture and Experience"

"Beyond the Borders - Crossover in Creative Culture"

If anyone has any other good suggestions - I'm not really interested in
reading any "rave history/culture" books
I've read Simon Reynolds book already

I love any books that cross over the worlds/disciplines of music with
greater cultural/social studies, architecture, etc.

either that or some really brilliant DVD (Standing in the Shadows of
Motown, A Great Day in Harlem, etc.)

taking suggestions

MEK


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RE: (313) Can anyone please id this track, small mp3, 100k...???

2004-03-15 Thread J. T.


it's yotoko "karma soup" off the album last year on delsin...great stuff!
i'm guesing it may have come from a peel seamus mix?



http://homepages.whl.co.nz/~ralf/dp.htm
It came from a mix someone posted here last year...anyone know whose mix it 
came from?

Thnaks in advance



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Re: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?


i gotta debate you there.
i haven't heard the whole album but..
kayne west is responsible for the whole chipmunk sample crazy- easily the
worst thing to EVER happen to pop music.


haha what?? yes all trends suck! err something. the worst thing ever to 
happen to pop music? easily? were you asleep in the late 90's? executive 
produced supergroups are easily the worst thing to ever happen to pop music, 
get real.


i like kanye west. it's nothing amazing. just very good mainstream style 
hiphop. i dont think he's hiphop's "saviour" or any sht like that, as a lot 
of media hype is making him out to be (they do this every 6 months or so 
right? such n such is totally re-ineventing "insert genre here"..or "oh wow, 
rap music can actually be intelligent!" o really??)


give me jaydee stuff over kanye west any day of the week.


now if anyone doesn't mind- i could easily start a thread regardi hip=hip
that i've recently discovered. stuff that probably has more in common with
carl craig than public enemy


lay it on us
tho i'd be awfully excited to hear any hiphop that had anything in common 
with p.e. too


np dizzee rascal

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RE: AW: (313) whats hot this week


got a copy of new Rotating Assembly CD yesterday, the track "orchestral
hall" is unbelievable, but i need to listen to the rest of the album
probably a few times more, his soulfulness and jazzy jam-session
character suprised me and i don't get it initially...


yeah the guys from rushhour played the cd a bunch while they were visiting 
last fall, and it really wasnt much my thing...i liked it, but wasnt too 
excited by it, a couple real nice tracks, real organic jazzy 
stuff...basically i got the same impression of it as you describe above. 
maybe i'd get more into it in a different environment, with more listenings 
etc. i'm sure all the theo fanatics will dig it tho


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Re: (313) Detroit equipment (was do you*)


Yamaha DX100. Juan Atkins mentioned using it for bass in a magazine article


"solid bass"! most popular preset ever?

roland jx8p is a classic too..

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RE: (313) Do You Know Who You Are (was RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?)


The synth strings on "Do You Know Who You Are" sound
classically "Detroit" to me, with that brittle emotion and
the combination of warmth and coldness that is characteristic
of the feel of early 313 techno. What other old Chicago tracks
can people think of that bridge the Detroit/Chicago gap as
effectively as this Virgo track does?


well there's tons of old ones i guess, with virgo and k-alexi being 
consistently that style, and of course mr fingers.


sendex has recently been making tracks that hark back to this sound too, 
reallly nice. he posted one on the c-b-s forum 
http://www.smeyer.cistron.nl/~smeyer/music/sendex_temp01.mp3 ..wait what 
year is it? he'll be on a usa tour in early april, in detroit saturday the 
10th


jt

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Re: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?


i could be wrong but i thought deepchord were based out of boston.
i like a lot of deepchord stuff, but i wouldnt put it on the same level as 
bc/cr/etc because they are seriously lacking in the bassline department -- 
great dubby chords and nice beats, but missing lowend...many releases have 
no basslines at all. altho i guess that doesnt hurt them in the mix




Deepchord is a Detroit label I think (so it is 313 ;-) -  I found their
first one about 5 years ago now, so they've been around a pretty long time,
but they are really against any kind of promotion, so their EPs tend to
filter into the stores pretty subtly.  Excellent stuff though, kinda Basic
Channel'y with a slightly smoother edge...

Not sure if it's all the same artist, as there is minimal info on the one's
I've got, but it's certainly a consistent sound across all the cuts...

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "synthetic tom"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?


I heard the faith cut on Matt McQueen's show - it's excellent - who are 
Deep

Chord? I heard about 4 of their tracks on a mix that  heavily feautured
M/BC/CR material, so I thought it might yet another sublabel.
This ain't 313 you know - so does this email count as noise?

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: synthetic tom; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?


Jonas Berring's "Emballages" EP on Kompakt is a nice variation on Deepchord
sort of stuff; also worth picking up in that vein are releases on Force
Tracks and a fair few on Gadgets as well.

An EP that came out a couple of months ago that's worth chasing down is 
Paul

St Hilaire (aka Tikiman) ft Rene Lowe (aka Scion). It's called the Faith EP
and is out on False Tuned records, and if you like the sounds on Deepchord
releases and haven't heard this one you should definitely try to track it
down.

Then again, you probably know all this stuff already :)

Brendan
www.lunarselector.com

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> From: synthetic tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 09 March 2004 06:42
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now?
>
>
> sorry to re-post this question, but i'm craving some new music that
> i've never heard of before, and there's no better place to ask than
> here.
>
> as for me, i've recently discovered DeepChord and Docile
> Recordings and
> i'm loving them both.  buy on sight as far as i'm concerned.
>
> playing right now: Drexciya "Digital Tsunami"
>
> later y'alls
>
> t
>
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Re: (313) dynarec

but even worse is an extra post pointing out a clearly accidental double 
post...blah blah...i dont care. as long as there's more music talk to 
balance out the noise...in other words its not the noise thats a problem, 
its the lack of a strong signal..


buy the dynarec album. it's out this week. drexciyan legacy continues!!
just read legowelt describing it as an intersection between elecktroids, 
drexciya, opp, with some fanon flowers thrown in too...which just about 
nails it..


best album so far this year imo, tied with that kerrier district..

jt


double posts are even worse for 'noise'

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote:

>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Bate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 8:45 a.m.
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) 313's Signal to noise ratio
>
>
> > correct me if i'm wrong, but most of the noise i'm seeing today is in
> > the form of complaints regarding noise.  kind of ironic, right?
>
> Ironic, but that's the way one has to do it, when one is on a self
> moderated list.  We can't write to a moderator and have them step in, 
it's

> something
> that we have to ourselves.   There's good and bad to a self moderated
> list, but it's the way that 313 has been doing it for the last 10 years.
>
> >
> > delete takes a second.  let people say what they want to say.  noise 
is

> > an inherent part of any community, online or real life.
>
> At least for me, maybe I'm slower then some people, but delete's take 
more
> then a second for me. When I'm presented with 50-100 messages and some 
of

> them are good and some of them are bad, you have to go through the bad
> ones to find out which are the good ones.  That's why I think Phred
> indicated
> that he only reads emails from people's who he knows, as most of the 
time,
> people aren't even talking about the subject that is on the subject 
line,

> so you think you're reading about something that you're really not.  I
> kind of think of it as lurking SPAM.  Noise is an inherent part of any
> community,
> I do agree, but we use filters to try to reduce that noise.  The
> particular filter on this list is "313", and that's how I have attempted
> to reduce
> the noise for non 313 stuff. Unfortunately, I don't see very much stuff
> about Detroit Techno on this list...  I know many people who have just 
left

> the list and don't want to deal with it. I've been lurking on this list
> since just after it started, when I was logging in with my 14.4 baud 
modem
> on my Mac Plus ( I know, I was behind the times, even then!) and the 
signal

> to noise ratio has never been so high as it has in the last year or two.
>
>
> Also, using the 313 as a chat room, goes against 1 of few rules that we
> have on here:
>
> * List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using 
313

> as chat room is not permitted.
>
> >
> > and here's my attempt to start a more interesting thread:
> >
> > lately i can't get enough of: _ (theo parrish jill scott
> > "slowly surely")
> >
>
> Remember... please insert DETROIT related artist here ;)
>
>
>
>
> Have a good DETROIT day to you all  ...
>
>
> Dave
>


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Re: (313) Tejada, Titonton releases

2004-03-05 Thread J. T.

i'm real hard on tejada, he's good and definitely wa talented but his 
stuff usually doesnt grab me..too smooth and conservative maybe...no 
disrespect intended...
but i am way impressed with that m&g album -- great stuff bridging between 
techno and house with dope cutup samples (not cuisinarted tho)..a little 
edgier than i usually hear him going, very cool...




On Mar 5, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Ken Odeluga wrote:

Haven't heard the following properly so am not recommending 'em but ...
John Tejada & Arian Leviste  - Fairfax Sake LP  (Playhouse)


not bad, not stellar.  I put it back.. though a lot of their work together 
is excellent.


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(313) EFA is bankrupt

2004-03-03 Thread J. T.


Dear Business Partners,

with deepest regrets we herewith must let you know that we have been forced 
to file bankruptcy today.


This is based on the developments of the recent weeks during which we have 
tried everything to avoid this step by downsizing our staff, restructuring 
all distribution methods and channels, negotiating with third parties, 
particularly with several groups of possible investors, yet - sadly - to no 
avail. All our attempts to find any other means to keep afloat in times of 
collapsing markets have remained unsuccessful. Since it has not been 
possible to reach possible solutions and it has become obvious that we were 
no longer able to stay in business when relying on our own strength.


We expect the relevant court to name a receiver within the very future. We 
do hope that jointly with that receiver we may be in a position where EFA´s 
key business areas can be saved and restructured. However, it is unclear if 
our desire to reestablish EFA will be rewarded by the receiver´s 
perspective.


We thank you for all the years of cooperation and the trust in EFA.

Yours sincerely

EFA Medien GmbH


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(313) ot bastian

2004-03-01 Thread J. T.


hey thanks for the tip kj!
i grabbed "it's all downhill from here" off soulseek
and yes this is some _seriously_ prince inspired stuff!...i'm pretty 
impressed with it! really happy, poppy, very funky stuff...definitely on the 
cheesey side sometimes (hahaha "cyber baby") but for those of us who listen 
to cheesey old italo and disco etc all the time, it hits the right 
spot...really like the "private parts" song..

so this is the guys from comtron? or one of the guys?
some really amazing hooks and basslines tho...
anyways some other people might wanna check this stuff out, you know who you 
are

j

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Re: (313) dutch dude that sounds sorta like prince

2004-02-27 Thread J. T.


haha no, it is harco pront i was thinking of..
guess there are many dutch guys making wigged out sorta prince-inspired 
music :P thanks for those bassgirl links btw, kinda crazy concept but 
sounding in a very lowkey lovely way..
i've been listening to opgezwolle lately too...damn fine dutch hiphop with 
great production, thanks to rushhour for the tip..speaking of, apparently 
they (rh) are gonna be releasing some crazy nyc based but african born 
rapper who they say is in the area of outkastsounds hot...



Ah you mean Bas Ron, who records as Bastian for some more mainstream music 
(still great music btw!) but is also responsible for some amazing other 
records such as Comtron on blacklabel and last years Seymour Bits (Hit me 
with Technolgy) on Breakin' Records. All his stuff is buy on sight for 
me...


KJ



Is suppose you don't mean Like A Tim here?

On 27-feb-04, at 20:59, J. T. wrote:

i'm going senile, who is the dutch guy who put out an album full of ~40 
tracks last year? from craziness to dope prince style stuff?


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(313) harco pront

2004-02-27 Thread J. T.


thats who i was after

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(313) dutch dude that sounds sorta like prince

2004-02-27 Thread J. T.

i'm going senile, who is the dutch guy who put out an album full of ~40 
tracks last year? from craziness to dope prince style stuff?


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Re: (313) Leaving Home: The Move To Chicago

2004-02-26 Thread J. T.

Im especially fascinated by Orlando Voorn, I heard he won some kind of 
World DJ Championship back in the late 80's... Does anyone have a Voorn set 
archived? CD-R?  I'd really like to hear a set of his!


paging senor bruntonio! he hooked me up with a orlando @ mazzo sethis 
skills are dope...lotsa quick cuts etc...the mix starts off wayyy hot...but 
then it gets into more typical minimal techno, nice enough, but the tracks 
at the beginning are dope..maybe it's on soulseek? maybe it could be ;)


and y'know shake can bring it tooi'd really love to see a shake mix-cd 
someday...i can't think of any mixes that compete at all with shake's track 
selection and action on the ttables...disco to techno to rock to hiphop and 
back again and making it sound like it was meant to go together...a 
polished, retail-tight mix would be awesome...c'mon k7...


yeah that whole night sounds like a blast...guess pure sonik is gonna start 
releasing again once alan settles in in chicago?


jt

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RE: (313) 430 West on MTV

2004-02-23 Thread J. T.


Check out on the 430 West website
http://www.430west.com/430westdotcom/site/430main.html


and then info-->media-->television/film discography


look at all the tracks they have on the "Making the video" show on MTV
Jennifer Lopez, P.O.D., Nick Carter, Madonna, Jennifer Love Hewitt

now that's what I call infiltration. I hope somehow this sound is being
implanted in the subconscious of all the people watching these shows.


thats some pretty incredible licensing/publishing going on there!! wow

and whatsup with that smuggler's run 2 vid game? looks like the entire 
soundtrack is 430 west stuff (even some of the old wildplanet album, nice!)


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Re: (313) new derek carr (was m>o>s 0002 ross154)

2004-02-23 Thread J. T.


hey jwan, hey arne, hey tom, hey 313

Agreed, my copy came in the mail the other day, Rudiman and I both flipped 
over every track. So this record gets the technoiraudio seal of approval 
(if that means anything to anyone). My favorite cuts are improv and 
l'equipe (spelling) can't wait to drop these the next time i play out.


deinitely! great record! the a1, "improv", is fantastic deep techno, 
beautiful beautiful pads/strings, and fantastic bassline..very detroit 
sounding, loads of mood and feeling..up there with the very best duplex 
stuff, stasis, k larkin, etc!...the other tracks are good too, a bit more 
familiar and more towards house.. but great record for sure...!

jt




jw

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg)
Date: 20 Feb 2004 21:00 GMT
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (313) m>o>s 0002 ross154

>
> >
> > >> > "until my heart stops" is gorgeous!
> >
> > sorry to bang on about this, but this truly is a winner!
> > I have it stuck in my head today because I played it three times this
> > morning before I came to work.
> > but its a beautiful, beautiful track. even with a minging hangover, it
> > makes me feel all warm...!
>
> Agreed! A superb masterpiece from the netherlands also watch out for 
the new Derek Carr 12" on Headspace.
> Just got it in the mail and there are 4 perfect beautiful deep tracks on 
it. Highly recommended!

>
>
> Greetz, Arne
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Re: (313) Does the Martian/Red Planet know about this?


Several key members of the MER team are old buddies/former co-workers of
mine.  I'd walk over there and bring my Red Planets ("Red Atmospheres"
from RP-4, anyone?) but I don't think they're equipped to upstream vinyl ;)


bring the cd! but i was thinking more along the lines of "the talking rocks 
of mars" from rp-6...






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(313) OT detroit salt mines


someone posted this nice link on another list...

http://www.detnews.com/history/salt/salt.htm

pretty cool, never heard of this before...

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Re: (313) m>o>s 0002 ross154


Wasn't this supposed to be released on Delsin to a few years ago?


yeah whatsup with the 154 "strike" album? that never came out did it? it 
says on the delsin website 11/2003 tho..


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(313) m>o>s 0002 ross154


just got a promo this morning..

"until my heart stops" is gorgeous! classic classic detroit via holland 
techno...10+ years old and still fresh for sure!


the b-side "kaoz" is nice too, less melodic, more swirling percussion and 
synth twiddling, nice!


the press release with this record is really entertaining too...songs 
rescued off cassettes from mr 154's bathroom haha!


great record! i'm already drooling for the next m>o>s> release...

also got a promo of the next ann aimee record, by Dribs...just listening 
now..warm lovely sounds and melodies, some deep strings..with some nice 
dirty beats...very good idm...


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Re: (313) Cybernetic Broadcast System... one crackhead's Eulogy


hey matt

and about italo being dead, or overblown, what!?  pah!!If it ain't dead 
yet after 20+ years of weirdo collectors scouring it all.. it's not going 
to just up and die anytime soon..  I'd say by comparison, 'glitch' is 
rapidly approaching the terminally ill/boring stage, but that's just me   
:P


hhaha! glitch was always boring :P original italo is certainly still full of 
underrated, unheard classics etc, but there is some pretty weak newer 
italo-inspired stuff coming out...or maybe i just follow too closely. i know 
alden tyrell is i-f's buddy, but that last record he did, knockers or 
whatever, sounded like generic bad italo, generic octaved bassline, just 
weak. his first record, love explosion, was by far the best. legowelt is so 
prolific its insane, and still does tons of great music under many names, 
but the dark nrg legowelt sound has been run into the ground imo. he has 
done so many records in that style, but the first 2 or 3 were easily the 
best. i dunno i just hear a lot of stuff that tries to tip its hat to italo 
by using some pretty generic octaved basslines, it drives me nuts, to my 
ears its really stale. a symptom of getting really into older music like 
disco and italo is that you start ignoring the cheesy parts of songs and 
just focus on the parts you really like...a lottt of italo was crap, and as 
it gets more popular, you hear a lot of crap italo...doesnt mean its dying, 
but whoaaa hold on its not all classic...


some of those new Pigna records coming out of Italy are hot!!  The 
Francisco tracks, and the Raiders of The Lost Arp tracks


i only have one, funk 005 (drive) and its pretty good...the francisco mix is 
by far the best..i was surprised that it leans as much towards techno as it 
does! i am definitely trying to hunt down some more...suggestions?


also you could argue the $tinkworx and Macho Cat Garage / Legowelt and etc. 
etc. are all connected in some way to that era...   it's definitely living 
on.


haha well i should think you could argue that! stinki has more than one song 
with "italo" in the title (subtle!), and the name macho cat garage is sort 
of a take off on the old italo group named gay cat park, and also the 
mis-heard chorus of an old italo song...on the viewlexx mcg record, there is 
a song "m-invasion" which is a send-off to scotch's penguin invasion. 
legowelt, besides the italo/nrg inspired stuff he is mostly known for, has 
also done some awesome more slowjam italo, like the first song on the 
squadra blanco album, and the upcoming beyond the congo record has a nice 
one too. he is wa inspired by old italian horror film soundtracks (not 
just goblin either), italo and early chi house...my favorite italo sorta 
stuff is still made by legowelt, catnip, mcg, and of course i-f...legowelt 
is so prolific and tries so many different sounds i really think he is the 
prince of the italo rediscovery, if i-f is king..


have i made utterly no sense yet??   Anyway, respect to I-f!  whatever his 
reasons i think it's silly to just publicly speculate on what *might* have 
been his reasons.. hell it's his prerogative and I'm sure we've not seen 
the last of that madman... that you can bet on for sure.


haha..yes, respect! i wasnt trying to speculate, i had actually heard 
reasons and forgotten, but kj cleared it up...i'm sure we've not seen the 
last as well..


btw the new/next comtron on blacklabel has a vey nice electro-italo 
cut...dope dope dope. it easily makes up for the electroclashy vox in 
another of the tracks :P


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RE: (313) Cybernetic Broadcast System... one crackhead's Eulogy


On another note, does anyone of you know what happened to the
globaldarkness forum? I keep getting redirected to a page saying the
backdoor is closed??


just go the main page http://www.globaldarkness.com and enter the forum from 
there, update your bookmark. you must be using an old bookmark that points 
to, umm, a backdoor that is closed. it should have redirected you to the 
main page tho? i was trying to use the closed backdoor for awhile too.


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Re: (313) Cybernetic Broadcast System gone...


hey kj

In an interview he did with listmember Rebelbass he said that one of the 
reasons he quit dj-ing was because his job as a dj was done, italo was no 
longer a dirty word and people made it and played it again.


ahh thats much better than the elitist 'italo is too popular' reason, altho 
it's sort of the same sentiment twisted in a positive way. somehow i dont 
think that can be enough to make him quit dj'ing for good, i hope. not that 
many people make/play it..


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Re: (313) Cybernetic Broadcast System gone...

last time? which? that italo is too hyped? i dunno. guess i wasnt paying 
attention..too much dutch music politics to keep up with..
dr nutcracker should really sort it out for us...i heard things, like he is 
moving to berlin (or was it rome) but yeah...i dont really remember what i 
heard..but it sounded like he was serious about no more dj'ing. maybe he 
will get back in the studio and make some more angry music like superman, 
which i would welcome very much...

wasn't that his gripe last time already?  does that mean he'll have
something for us to listen to again in another 3 months?

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:

> well supposedly ferenc has quit dj'ing now right?
> is he going back in the studio?
> is he pissed because italo is too popular now?
> i heard perspects said in an interview he isnt making music again until 
the

> electro fad dies down. i say make money and build an audience while the
> oppurtunity is there, by all means. if you like making music, make 
music.

> maybe if the new audience for electro (or italo, etc) hears more quality
> music it will extend beyond fad. the hype and bs and disposable music 
that

> goes along with fads is annoying but i think it's a shame if you let
> yourself lose your passion because of it..but understandable i guess..
>
>
> >NOO not again!!  why does he keep DOING that?!?!?!?
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, kj at technotourist dot org wrote:
> >
> > > To bad, my favorite online radiostation for a long time pulled the 
plug

> > > today. Ferenc stopped his Cybernetic Broadcast System today.
> > >
> > > http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > KJ
> > >
>
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