[313] DJ Bookings
Hiya, I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards some DJ Agency's or something like that. I'm part of a soundsystem that has been doing small local nights, but we're growing and have just secured what could be a regular club venue, and therefore we are looking into the possibility of hiring a "proper" DJ. Of course, as we are just barely getting started, its going to have to be someone pretty reasonably priced, so I'm afraid that rules out any proper Detroit guys, as I live in the UK (sorry its not strictly detroit related, but I'm sure someone on here must be able to help anyway). What we were thinking of to begin with is trying to get in the local guys (or gals) - House of God residents, Atomic Jam or Voodoo residents, etc, and with a bit of luck perhaps Dj's who dont play around our area quite as often, like Dave Angel, Trevor Rockliffe, Daz Saund, Colin Dale or Favor, Billy Nasty... So who is best to speak to - or perhaps which website should I aim my browser at? And as for club resident types, would I be able to just phone the club and get in touch that way, or would their bookings be handled by someone else? Its all new to me so any help is appreciated. many thanks, Aaron
groovetech
Does anyone know how long it usually takes an order to arrive from Groovetech.com (in the U.K.)? I've ordered a record and hope it turns up in time for a party... thanks, Aaron
Re: [313] Jaguar shopping
In a message dated 23/10/00 14:30:27 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > i'm glad you didn't purchase from a link in the chain - do everyone a favour > and support your local techno outlet; if your on this list, you should know > who and where they are.where are they hiding? HA My local techno outlet, yeah right, wouldent that be nice. No, I am afraid there are no local techno outlets in these parts, I suppose I could catch a train to Birmingham, but thats awful pricey (10.50 for a return) just to pick up a CD single. There is a local record shop, but they wouldent know what techno is if it smacked them upside the head, and the only CD's they carry are Gatecrasher, Cream, or Sundissential anthems compilation discs, or maybe the latest "Global Underground" mix from Oakenfold or Judge Jules or something like that. I know its bad to buy from one of these chain stores, but on the other hand, at least I would be buying it. I've had a copy of the tune, and a couple of the remixes in fact, for ages, I downloaded them from Napster (for a fan of underground music who lives in the country, Napster is like a best friend). So I was thinking as its UR and all, I should actually support them and buy the music. And I still will, I'm just gonna wait until I can find a copy with the video on it. But perhaps I'll hold off until next time I am in the city (whenever that might be...) and go to a proper record shop. Aaron
Jaguar shopping
After going shopping (in the UK) for a copy of the CD single version of Jaguar (I was after that video) I can see why its not any higher in the charts, in fact its miraculous anyone knows anything about it at all. I went to MVC first, and was quickly dissapointed, I asked if they had it, and apparently they only stock the top 40 singles. So then I went to Virgin, thinking it should be easy to find there. I looked in the new releases section, and it was nowhere to be seen (but wasnt it released last week or something?). It wasnt in the chart section either. So I asked at the counter, and the staff guy went rummaging through the CD Singles section, and eventually produced one copy of it, apparantly the only one in the shop. And it didn't have the video on it, it had the original mix, the Jeff Mills mix, and a third one that I didn't recognize. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing, I dont really care to comment on. I would still like to have a look at that video though, I guess I'll just have to order it or something. Aaron
Re: [313] User/00A... Eh?
In a message dated 17/10/00 18:34:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am utterly convinced that Richard Harvey, Harvey lane, and Richie Hawtin > are the same people, and Jeff Mills is I n the mix somewhere, all this mixed > up info, no one has ever seen him, who on earth is harvey lane? I have seen Harvey Lane on a number of occasions, he's a resident at House of God in Birmingham, and I've heard him play at a few party's as well. Definately not Hawtin or Mills at any rate, whoever these people are, they come from Birmingham. Didn't we go through this in a major way just a couple of weeks ago? Aaron
Re: [313] best dj???
I'm gonna include live performances in my list as well as DJ's, cause I couldent bear to leave out the Advent or Luke Slater from a top 5 list... 1. Jeff Mills 2. Dave Clarke 3. The Advent 4. Luke Slater 5. Surgeon I know it was only supposed to be 5, but I really want to mention Dave Angel as well, he's too good to be ignored. Aaron
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
In a message dated 05/10/00 15:49:52 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't > heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. Speaking of women techno DJ's, whats become of Gayle San? I havent heard anything about her for ages. I heard her play once a couple of years ago, and she was probably better than anyone else who played on that night. She has put out at least a couple of good records as well. I think she is an excellent example of someone who really tried hard and made it, being a woman must make it hard, and coming from Singapore probably doubles it. Aaron P.S. - if anyone wants to check her out, she's got a mix up on netmix.com, in the techno archives.
Re: [313] Richard "Harvey"
In a message dated 04/10/00 19:45:04 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And whassup with Harvey Lane, "resident Lost dj," who's mixed the new > User/Serial Scratch cd?! That name makes you wonder a bit, doesn't it? Up > the garden lane (sorry, path) we go... I dont have a clue about his name, but he is maybe still a resident at House of God as well as Lost, although I dont actually know because I havent been there for a year or so. But he certainly used to be, and quite decent as well, I've heard him tear it up on many occasions. Birmingham or people related to it seem to be getting alot of mentions lately, which is cool as I've always reckoned Birmingham is a good city for techno. Aaron
Re: [313] Tone shifting
In a message dated 04/10/00 10:43:27 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I can't rememer with who it was that originally stated that tone shifting is > a mechanism of the brain that *fills* in the gaps in highly repetitive > music, but I agree with him and have to add that this fenomenon doesn't > occur only while listening to music, whether it be minimal techno or tribal > beats. It also occurs while on the train, in a room full of computers, or > wherever there is a repetitive sound. Thats why I like riding > trainsthere so much music to be heard!! I once saw this list called "you know your a raver when..." and it then listed 101 reasons you could tell your a raver. Well, some people might be offended to be called ravers, I for one dont generally call myself one, but for some of these reasons you could easily replace raver with "techno freak" or something along those lines. Anyway, amongst others, there was one that said "you know you're a raver/techno freak when you find yourself nodding your head to the tribal sounds of a washing machine". Maybe this isn't toneshifting as discussed on the list, but its definately a case of a bored mind projecting music onto something which isn't necessarily musical, and I find it to be quite true. Sort of like working in factory's, many times have I considered taking my MD recorder to work with me to try and capture the seemingly musical hum and machine noise that is the background noise of a busy factory. Aaron
Re: [313] Back On Topic Please!
In a message dated 03/10/00 22:54:31 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hey now, "Carl Cocks" is where I draw the line, bro. Carl is one of very few > > who can cater to many audiences. His sets can vary from progressive clubby > house all the way to banging techno. This is very true, I've heard him play techno sets that would make the best of the best drool. He's got all the right records, and he's definately got the skills, I've heard him play proper techno sets a few times, 3 decks on the go every time, and each time he's been totally flawless all the way through. You just have to catch him at a techno club, if you go see him at a house club, he's guaranteed to be cheesy. He's got a night in London, or at least he did - Ultimate B.A.S.E, Jim Masters is the other resident and also very good, and they get in some really good guests as well. Aaron
who was that masked man?
In a message dated 03/10/00 00:54:02 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > according to an old Magic Feet compilation(Magic Trax 2 ) > Richard Harvey = Female > the last Female lp also sounded close to some User stuff to me Right. The mystery gets deeper. So, Richard Harvey is really Dean Cole, but he's also Female (as well as User). BUT, Female is Pete Sutton but that is really just an alter ego of Karl O'Connor, who is also Regis. I'm truly confused now... Is Dean Cole/Richard Harvey/User - and possibly Female as well - from Birmingham as well? I'll bet its all just one guy laughing himself to death over our silly trainspotterish need to know. I'm gonna grab shaggy and scooby and hop in the the mystery machine for a quick drive, to unmask the true culprit behind all this naming nonsense. Micheal Knight
Re: [313] Jeff Mills mix
In a message dated 25/09/00 19:04:08 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hope this helps. > > ftp://deephouse.biostat.wisc.edu/wizard1.rm Thanx to everyone who replied, this one got me straight to the business. Its a brilliant site, I've listened to some amazing sets off here. Aaron
Jeff Mills mix
I'm trying to find a website that I used to have a bookmark for, but I've lost it for some reason. Its the one that has hundreds of DJ mixes of mostly old House stuff, mostly Chicago, but the one in particular that I am after is a Jeff Mills mix, about half an hour long, taken from a radio station in Detroit in 89 or so. The mixing is absolutely mental, almost unbelievable, and the tunes are quite varied, hip hop, house, all sorts. I am pretty sure I got the link from this list in the first place, so if anyone knows what I'm on about, please get back to me. Cheers, Aaron
Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno
In a message dated 18/09/00 16:18:38 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Amon Tobin's Bricolage is a work of art. > It may well be, but if you are talking in terms of jungle there is no way it could be ranked above all the true masters - Roni Size, Goldie, Grooverider, Hype - I'm not gonna bother to name any more, but the list would go on and on and on if I did. You can definately tell this list of best ever electronic music has come from a techno list :) And for my addition, Orbital would absolutely have to be included in my opinion. Picking just one release of theirs is difficult, but I reckon their latest album, the middle of nowhere, is probably their best... Aaron
Re: [313] Oliver ho
In a message dated 14/09/00 19:55:25 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Even Oliver's official bio is minimalistic, just a paragraph, it happens > often with techno artists. Check out Tom Magic Feet's great article in > Jockey Slut - I think it is the UR ed or the one before. If you're desperate > I did one earlier this year I don't mind e-mailing out. E-mail me privately > if you would like it. This months DJ magazine has a UK Techno special, which features some information as well as an interview with Oliver Ho, as well as Dave Clarke, Regis, Surgeon, Steve Bicknell, and some others, although I can't really remember who exactly. The article is surprisingly decent considering its in DJ, the guy who wrote it almost apologizes for having it published in a major magazine, which I found amusing. One of the questions that was asked to all the people who were interviewed was something like "what is your relationship to Detroit" and the answers are interesting. Aaron
Re: [313] Hey kids...get out your light sticks!
In a message dated 14/09/00 02:44:23 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > GATECRASHER IS ON TOUR IN THE US!!! Fantastic news, that means they've cleared out of this country (UK) for at least a week or two! Aaron
Re: [313] Larry Heard
In a message dated 08/09/00 01:28:22 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm looking for a song of Larry Heard! > That song is five or more years old, and there is the speech of M.L.King in > Atlanta. If its the "I have a dream" speech, then I have been told by a friend of mine that this is a bootleg remix of Can You Feel It, the artist name is Jolly Roger (if I remember correctly) and it was released sometime like 88 or 89. This info is from one half of Jolly Roger (I think Eddie Richards being the other half) so it should be correct, but if anyone can confirm that would be good. Aaron
Re: [313] mills vs .ca
In a message dated 06/09/00 23:26:25 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > OK, 100K was crazy speculation, but the figures that I was quoting was > Australian dollars, on US, so depending on the conversion rate at the time, > his asking price could appproach AU$15K. Also keep in mind that the > promoters who brought him to Sydney in April are in a position to give Mills > > this kind of money anyhow. If I remember correctly, the 100K quote was for nye2000, and in that case, its not crazy speculation at all. I dont know if Mills was asking for that much, but I know that others were. According to Radio 1, Carl Cox played two gigs that night, and for each one of them recieved 100,000 pounds, which is more like $160,000 in the US. One of them was in Sydney, and I think the other was in Honolulu or something like that. Not bad going really, 200,000 pounds for playing records for 4 hours! Aaron
Re: [313]underground
In a message dated 18/08/00 16:14:43 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > One would like to believe things like this are just jokes or reaction > to email nonsense. > But in reality Hitler killed over 6 million people ... thats six million > and I find no humour in this what so ever > I 'm definately not a nazi > And I hope you dont share Hitler's fate. Whats the plan then, post this message once for every one of those 6 million? Sorry, that may have been insensitive as well - anyway, I believe that comment was posted to signify an end to the discussion, based on the law of mailing lists the name of which I can't remember, which states something like anytime nazi's or Hitler is brought into the discussion all worthwhile discussion on the topic has long since ended. I cant remember the name or the exact wording, but its something that people often quote... Aaron
313@hyperreal.org
In a message dated 09/08/00 22:26:05 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > to say that Detroit is in a slump or > "letting people down" etc...etc.. is not only an insult to those > African/American artists whose music changed the world, but also slaps them > in > the face by now saying the white artist from overseas are now better! If you are trying to avoid racism, then why make this statement? Why would it be an insult and a slap in the face to african american artists if a white artist from overseas is supposedly better than them? Not only are you making it black vs. white, but your making it America vs. Europe as well! Sounds like a big load of crap if you ask me... Aaron
Re: [313] Modulations
In a message dated 09/08/00 22:05:21 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Talking about techno videos/tv has anyone ever seen the Space Night program > on German BR tv, Bayerisches Fernsehen? Elektrolux artsits provide the > soundtracks to images from outerspace (apparently), and the videos are for > sale as well. I have some of the Space Night compilations and they are quite > > good. Yeah, I have seen this before actually. Its quite chillin as a late night/early in the morning sort of thing. But to be honest I've never been overly impressed with the music, although I've never complained either. In fact, I never pay much attention, its always on in the background while other stuff is going on I guess. In the UK there is a similar thing called "the trip" that runs every so often, Channel 4 does it I think, about 4:00 Sunday morning or something. Same sort of thing, mostly space related images, only I reckon the visuals are better, more surreal, stuff like baby chickens floating around in Zero G and just generally way out sort of stuff. Sometimes the music is quite appalling (the occasional dodgy trance track), usually its just generic ambient stuff, but on a few of the episodes the soundtrack has been worthy of buying on CD. I used to have about 4 hours of it on tape, but have lost them unfortunately. Aaron
Re: [313] UR in Europe
In a message dated 31/07/00 21:44:54 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But speaking of Hardcore music, there is a consensus, which is 200 bpm for a > hardcore track. > I'm still seeking when UR make tracks at 200 BPM..with trashy, noisy, > nasty sounds. Back in the day when hardcore DJ's played UR, which they did, quite often in many occasions, hardcore was nowhere near to 200 bpm. It was in fact around the same speed as most techno (which is why UR and other early techno like Joey Beltram was played in hardcore sets - alot), originally it was even slower. Back in these days people werent so uptight about what music could be played by whom and what genre it was and whether or not it was acceptable. It was just a case of play anything that made people dance. I think we could do with a bit more of that attitude these days actually, there are not many DJ's around anymore who are happy to genre hop their way through a set, and its a bit of a shame really. But then again, if someone started mixing trance into a techno set, I suppose I would get pretty pissed off... Anyway, UR were definately NOT hardcore, but they were certainly mixed in with it, and definately had an influence on it. Aaron
Re: [313] Richie Hawtin is the future of Detroit Techno.
I dont really want to get too far into this. I'll just say one thing regarding ghetto vs. suburbs - it seems like people like to view kids from the suburbs as somehow less real, as if it is undesireable to grow up in the suburbs and ghetto kids are somehow better people, keeping it real and all that sort of thing... But come on, why cant people just be people regardless of where they are raised? And alot of techno innovaters and creators are from the suburbs anyway, Belleville aint the middle of the ghetto for starters... >>>i don't think that people just pressing vinyl instead of cds are elitist. in >>>my opinion, not catering to the crowd that views the music apart from its >>>intended state is one of the best things people in detroit techno can do. Well, I am from Detroit, so hopefully that qualifys me to understand the music in your eyes. Although anyone who loves this music can understand it if you ask me. But anyway, I cant ever get ahold of the music. I live in the UK these days, and the price of a rare import from the states is absolutely absurd. If I was a DJ and had lots of cash to spend, then maybe I would have a huge vinyl collection. But as I am not a DJ, and I am not rich, I would rather spend 15 pounds on a CD with like 15 tracks on it than a 12" single with one or two tracks and some remixes. Even if its a crappy CD compilation that only has 6 good tracks on it, in terms of music for money, its still doing better than most pieces of vinyl. I think vinyl is great, and I do enjoy going to record stores and pretending I belong there, browsing through it all and having a listen to stuff I havent ever heard before, its great. But, when it comes time to spend my money, I want as much music as possible, for as little cash as possible. Therefore I do really appreciate CD releases, and I wish alot more stuff was available on CD. I really can't see any logical reason to try and keep the music all hidden away so only a select few can hear it. There are people all over the world who love this stuff, why deprive them of it simply because they dont live in Detroit? Alot of them (like myself) used to live in Detroit anyway. Aaron P.S. - I also contend with the idea that Detroit is one big ghetto, I quite like the city, and while it has its rough parts, it has got some lovely neighborhoods and some good things going for it as well - of all the places I've lived, I think Detroit has got to be one of my favourites.
Re: [313] Richie Hawtin is the future of Detroit Techno.
In a message dated 17/07/00 22:58:47 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > with that said, i have to respect the so called purists who are only > pressing vinyl, no massive cd output. > > detroit techno is a movement. not a leisure activity. its cool that kids in > the bourgeoisie suburbs are getting opened up to it, either by parties or > cds. but just because those kids are being opened up to hawtin that doesn't > mean he is the future of detroit techno. he is simply the most accessible. This is probably a REAL touchy subject, but I just had to comment... The way I see things, its the kids in the suburbs who are more likely to buy the records, as they are the ones who have parents that can afford to buy them decks for their 16th birthday and give them a 50$ a week allowance that can be spent on records or that sort of thing. Of course kids in the ghetto probably don't listen to CD's either, its more likely they listen to 6th generation taped copies of CD's. Basically, I doubt there are many kids in the ghetto that are actually making this music happen, they can't afford to. If you are struggling to keep food on the table how are you gonna afford a pair of Technics and loads of records at around 10$ a single (which is about how much they go for in the UK, although I don't know about the US). I don't live in a ghetto, and I would not even consider myself truly poor, but the luxury of owning a set of decks and being able to travel around the country to various record shops to pick up all my favourite tunes and latest releases is just a far off dream to me. The whole vinyl/purist thing is a bit (although unintentionally I am sure) elitist. Vinyl is expensive and hard to find, and for alot of us, its just not a realistic possibility. Because of that, I really appreciate the artists that have enough understanding of the situation to make their music accessible to all (ie: CD releases). If something is so good, why be so secretive about it, and try to hide it away? By making it limited edition vinyl, all that happens is it becomes even more expensive and harder to find than it would be, and therefore even harder to obtain for all the ghetto kids. Its only the bourgeoisie suburb kids who can afford to track down alot of these tunes and then buy a couple of copies. This is not in direct reference to Hawtin, I wouldent say he is the future of Detroit, but rather anyone and everyone in a position similar to his. Aaron
Re: [313] Rick Wade (was Alan Oldham comics...etc,etc)
In a message dated 13/07/00 05:46:09 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > How bout a UR videogame? This provides the opportunity to incorporate the > music with the characters, and... well... it would be cool ;`) Here's an idea! Sell it to Nintendo for the 64, or Sega for the Dreamcast, its their ultimate chance to bash on their main rival, it could be based around UR's battles with Sony (responsible for playstation of course) and allow the player to beat the crap out of fat record execs and the like. The various UR artists definately have video game friendly names, and the soundtrack would be UR throughout of course, however, if you lose the game, the gameover music could be the ripoff trance version of Knights of the Jaguar! While I doubt it will ever happen, its not that ridiculously far fetched of an idea, the Wu-Tang Clan have their own fighting game out for playstation, and its actually quite good. I wish I was a brilliant programmer, and I'd make it happen! Saying that, I doubt UR would be very interested in dealing with big video game companys and the like... Aaron
Re: [313] Alan Oldham comics
In a message dated 12/07/00 13:47:28 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I loved "Energy Flash" by Simon Reynolds (a guy from The Wire) - his thesis > on the link between drug consumption and techno is debatable, but he really > covers the whole spectrum of electronic music, which puts Detroit in > perspective ; the discog is extensive and interesting, though much messier > than the one in Techno Rebels. I've read Energy Flash as well, and while it did cover near enough all of the electronic music explosion, I thought it had quite a few negative points to go with it. For one thing, as it attempts to incorporate just about everything, there is lots of stuff missing, although I suppose thats gonna be obvious. I thought it was a bit unfortunate though that he covered it from such a "rave" standpoint, and attempts to explain the twists and turns of just about every genre through patterns (real or not) in drug use amongst the supporters of the music. And I guess my main problem was the fact that Reynolds is obviously pretty biased in terms of what he thinks is good and what he thinks isn't. Obviously he is going to have his likes and dislikes, but I thought they were just a little to evident. The guy is obviously a hardcore nut, which is fair enough, but he went a bit far at times. Detroit got a bit of a slagging in fact, as did the whole ambient thing, basically anything that was bordering on art as opposed to just good ol hands in the air rave music had some sticks poked at it. I would still reccomend it, but only if you want to know a little bit about everything, rather than alot about any one thing in particular. If its just Detroit techno you are interested in, approach with caution, as there are only a few chapters devoted solely to Detroit. The initial few cover the start of the whole thing (May, Saunderson, Atkins, etc...), and midway through there is a fairly small chapter about all the newer stuff (UR, Mills, Hawtin, etc...) but thats about it really. Nonetheless though, its a decent read. Aaron
Re: [313] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
In a message dated 10/07/00 10:15:17 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yeah, i have always had a bit of respect for spooky, and certainly > wouldn't have put him in the 'mainstream' category. > I know he has done some stuff with kool keith who tends to be right on the > money in terms of choosing collaborators. I've only ever come across Spooky once, he collaborates with Metallica for a track on the Soundtrack from the movie Spawn. Its quite good actually, a Drum n Bass sort of Remix of For Whom the Bell Tolls. But to be fair, its not exactly a work of genius, simply For Whom the Bell Tolls with new beats. I've never really heard of him other than this, I guess his questionable mixing hasn't brought him to the UK yet. Dave Clarke on the other hand, the man totally rocks, one of the best DJ's around. He plays around here all the time, and I've been lucky enough to hear many an excellent techno set from him, he's redefined how it should be done on a number of occasions. I just need to catch one of his electro sets now. Heres a question totally unrelated to DJ Spooky - I was listening to a DJ Funk mix and I am desperate to find out what one of the tunes was. It starts out with this total electro sort of riff going on (which carries on through the tune), with a guy talking over top, he's talking about smoking to much weed, the words are something like this - I smoke to much weed I smoke blunts all day long, I sold my kids and wife, my VCR is gone, I took it to the pawn shop, my momma doesent understand, I need to smoke more herb, but if I dont stop, I'll be smoking it on the curb. Some claps and hats come in somewhere in there, and then a very techno 4/4 comes in with a sort of bouncy sounding kick drum, at this point the vocal bit starts repeating, the guys just saying "I need weed in my life" over and over again. The kick gets bouncier still, and then the mix just abruptly cuts off. The track just about made me piss my pants with laughter, and I am wondering if anyone knows who it is/the name of it so I can hopefully get a full copy of it. I was thinking maybe it could be Green Velvet, mainly because the way the guy speaks reminds me of other Green Velvet tracks, but I dont really know much about Green Velvet, so I am unsure. Aaron
The true pioneers of DJing/electronic music...
This is completely irrelevant, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless. While reading through a history of electronic music I found a mention of some early twentieth century composers, Milhaud and Hindemith, who in the 1920's were experimenting with variable speed turntables in order to create music. It seems that the technique reached its peak (I think this book was written pre hip hop...) in 1939, when John Cage used a number of test tones and other sounds played on turntables at various speeds to actually make a tune - Imaginary Landscape No. 1 So turntablism and cut up tracks are not exactly new... One more interesting fact, the first ever synthesizer was built way back in 1902 by a guy named Thaddeus Cahill, and weighed in at 200 tons. And I thought all this electronic music business was fairly new! Aaron
Re: [313] Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
In a message dated 02/07/00 14:11:23 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I know the focus of this list is primarily Detroit > but i just wanted to remind y'all that these > concerns are not limited to the D. Detroit is definately not the only city that is apparently falling to ruin from the inside out. I am in the Midlands in the UK, and its interesting to compare Birmingham and surrounding area to Detroit (I used to live in Detroit as well). Birmingham has all the same scenes of old factories and wharehouses falling apart. Birmingham also has a reputation in the UK similar to Detroits in the states - a city with not much to it. I think sometimes that Detroit is better off actually, in that at least the suburbs are nice, because in my opinion the whole sprawl that surrounds Birmingham is often worse than Birmingham itself. Nevertheless, I love both cities, Detroit was my favourite place of residence in the US, and although I don't actually live in Birmingham, its by far my most frequently visited city. Another interesting note about the two - Detroit is obviously well known for its techno and electronic music in general, as well as for its sort of industrial wasteland image. So is it coincidence or maybe something more that Birmingham is also an industrial wasteland sort of place, as well as a major Techno city (I think so anyway), with quite a few big producers and labels based there, and a techno night going on somewhere in the area more or less every night of the week, which fill the spaces between a couple of major techno nights like House of God and Atomic Jam. Aaron P.S. - even the tiny town I live in, Shrewsbury, was on the tv the other night in a program about the decay of our industrial landmarks. Interestingly enough, the very first steel framed building in the world is in Shrewsbury (steel framed building technology being responsible for the first of the skyscrapers and other generally large buildings) and it is falling into ruin (and I do mean RUIN). So they are probably gonna knock it down, but as they were saying on the tv, this building is actually a major landmark in the history of industry, and it would be a shame to see it go. Of course no one actually recognizes this building as important, I doubt even any of the oldtimer locals realize the history of the building, as its just another falling down building.
Re: [313] New Techno Names/The Advent
In a message dated 26/06/00 16:44:12 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > - Gaetek > - Ade Fenton > - Chris McCormack > - Umek > - Samuel Sessions > - Fumuya Tanaka (sp?) I don't actually know all that much about any of them, except that Ade Fenton has a residency at Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Birmingham and plays really hard. I am not actually that into him though to be honest, I've seen him a fair few times now (I go to Atomic Jam alot) but he's never really got me hooked so to speak. Umek, on the other hand, is really good I reckon. I dont know much about him either, but he was a guest at a recent Atomic Jam, and I made sure to listen to him as I had never heard him play before. He was really good, one of the best sets of the night I thought, a really quality DJ, smooth yet fast, and wicked records. Aaron
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
In a message dated 16/06/00 11:30:21 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If that is how you truly feel, then please "progress" to another mailing > list. You and the smart guy in the message below this one are obviously very > > angry non-americans. I'm American, although living in England at the moment, so if you dont listen to these "non americans" then perhaps you will believe me. What they said is true. You are simply demonstrating your ignorance and unbelievably stupid although no doubt very strong patriotism. You are a victim of brainwashing, its not your fault, but please try to get past it. You are exactly the kind of American that gives all of us a bad name. Any time anyone says something that is percieved to be even slightly critical you jump to the defence and start going on about how great America is. Why dont you just grow up, accept that America is not the best thing in the world, but only a small piece of a large puzzle, and shut the hell up? Thank you, my fellow American, Aaron
this is NOT about All this Trance vs Detroit Techno shizzza
In a message dated 14/06/00 22:11:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Can we get back to the music? B*tch about Moby or Carl Cox or haggle over > t-shirts? Gripe about Sony or BMG? Anything but this anymore! > Speaking of the whole Sony/UR thing, its all showed up in the latest issue of Mixmag! Knights of the Jaguar is listed on the cover, and they reckon its gonna be one of the biggest tunes of the Summer! Where the hell have they been? Must have taken last summer off or something... Of course, to them, its only "the biggest tune of the summer" if it gets played in Ibiza (groan). I find it funny as well, that Mixmag act all hip and cool about it, portraying a pro UR sort of stance. Which you obviously would have to (who could possibly side with sony?), but still, Mixmag don't really give a shit, and its actually kinda annoying seeing them suddenly write about UR as if they have always been real fans or something. They never would have payed attention if Pete Tong didn't get his filthy hands on a copy of the record somehow. And as for Pete Tong, he was initially playing the rip off trance version! (oh dear, the whole purpose of this post was to avoid that "other" T word) Aaron
Re: [313] groovetech
In a message dated 13/06/00 20:37:30 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Every time I try to watch the DEMF footage on Groovetech every 5 seconds > it stops with net conjestion. Is my computer just shitty, or does > everyone have this problem? I have the exact same problem. I havent been able to listen to more than about 3 seconds worth of ANY of the sets, and having to sit here listen to people talk about how good they are is driving me mad. I cant see how its my computer because I have a 56k modem, and I can watch realvideo stuff if its off the harddrive, but I guess it must be, because most other people dont seem to have a problem... Aaron
Re: [313] DETROIT ALLSTARS
In a message dated 12/06/00 15:20:12 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > They said 2 hours here on > the street and that struck me as odd as the average length of a live show of > this kind (cf Luke Slater and DJ Spooky) is 45 - 60 minutes. I'd be thouroughly disapointed with a live show of only 45 - 60 minutes. I saw Luke Slater recently, and he did a full 2 hours, fully live. And completely rocked it as well, he keeps getting better and better I reckon. Aaron
Re: [313] Previous v Present turnouts in Detroit
In a message dated 11/06/00 00:13:37 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > at the risk of getting shot down I must say that Richard James is under the > influence of some bad shit! He is makeing some unlistenable shit now, "Drill > > and Bass" what the fuck is that?? He always has been. I reckon half of his lifetime output is complete wank. The other half is brilliant, and he always seems to mix the good with the shit. Perhaps just to make us appreciate the good more? Who knows, but personally I think he often releases shit tunes just to have a laugh at the fools who actually buy them. Apparantly he once played a live gig with a food blender and a record player with a bit of sandpaper on the platter. When some idiot trainspotter told him the music was brilliant, he threw the blender at the fool, hit him in the head, and got in loads of trouble... Aaron
Re: [313] dj software
In a message dated 09/06/00 03:29:59 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > why don't you download beos for free? > http://free.beos.com > then get soundplay which plays a dozen mps at the > same time if you want, plays them backwards if you want, > speed +-400%. demo is fully functional with a nag > until you register it (~$10). works with just one sound card. > http://www.bebits.com/app/156 > > it even streams audio, so all you realplayer fans > can join the mp3 revolution and get some quality > audio for a change. :) > Sounds interesting, maybe I'll have a look. Truth be told though, while it might be cool and all, I would still feel a bit blasphemous doing it all on a computer. I mean, no decks? Its just not right, know what I mean? However, the streaming of mp3 is certainly interesting. Problem is, streaming or no, an entire DJ set, and I'm talking about real ones here by the way, not MP3 tracks mixed on a computer, is still way to big in terms of file size when you use MP3. With Real audio, I reckon what you lose in quality you gain in the fact that the file size is actually reasonable. I suppose what I really need is a cable connection or something, and then it would be irrelevant... Aaron
Re: [313] dj software
In a message dated 09/06/00 03:24:10 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > mixman is a TOY!! and so is all other so called DJ software. Music can be > made with software, but DJ'in? no FUCKIN' way hehe, mixman is a crap toy at that, it isent even any fun (in my opinion anyway), which is what toys should be. As for PC's and mixing tunes tough, obviously computers can be used to some extent, as many of the so called "DJ mixes" that you buy on CD these days are actually done on computers, without vinyl ever coming into the equation. Before I get slated, this isent the case with any of the CD's people on this list would buy, but if you were to go out and buy the latest "Jeremy Healy - Ibiza 2000" mix CD, or perhaps "Eurotrance 2000 in the mix", etc, etc, odds are it was done by some guy in a studio, on a computer, with not a deck in sight. It might not be the "proper" way of doing things, but you cant deny that it happens alot and is only getting more popular. As I said, I have a program that claims to mix MP3's in a similar fasion to a CD mixer. If only I had another sound card so I could try it out! Aaron
Re: [313] dj software
In a message dated 08/06/00 17:56:55 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > i'm looking to get back in the mixeven if only for my own enjoyment. > besides mixman, what type of software is out thereand how good is it? I've got some software that claims to be able to mix .MP3 files in real time, I've never used it, but it sounds good, somehow it adjusts the pitch and all that sort of thing, as well as apparently having cueing abilities similar to those on a CD mixer. But, and this is why I've never used it, it has a little note with it saying if you dont have 2 sounds cards in your PC, dont even bother trying. If you've got two sound cards though, it would be interesting to know what it can do. Aaron
real audio help
I am trying to get some DJ sets online to be available for listening and download, but my Real Audio encoder doesent want to work (all the recordings sound like they are being listened to by pressing the skip forward button on a CD player). I think the problem is flaky software, so I was wondering if anyone knows where I could download a decent Real Audio encoder from? Hopefully a freebie, as I am a bit skint... Thanks in advance, Aaron
Re: [313] The Advent
In a message dated 05/06/00 14:19:58 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am just trying to > ascertain if the album was mostly a Cisco solo project or Advent project, as > things have become less clear-cut since they split. DAMN! I didn't even know they had split. But then again, I have been offline and not really in touch with things for awhile. Totally gutted though, some of my favourite ever records are by the Advent, and when they play live, my god, strap in, cause they rock! Or rocked as the case may be So, sorry to be really behind and everything, but when did they split and why? thanks in advance from a freshly gutted Advent fan... Aaron
