Re: Reverb on Detroit Techno
Didn't know about the Cape Verde ghost ship story, far out! On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 1:47 AM Matt Dubspun wrote: > Well some fact checking is required. > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:47 PM Matthew Kane > wrote: > >> The DIY Spirit That Built Detroit Techno City >> https://reverb.com/news/how-a-diy-spirit-built-detroit-techno-city >> >> This was published last September, but I only saw it on their Twitter >> today. >> >> -- >> matt kane >> http://hydrogenproject.com >> >
Re: Reverb on Detroit Techno
Well some fact checking is required. On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:47 PM Matthew Kane wrote: > The DIY Spirit That Built Detroit Techno City > https://reverb.com/news/how-a-diy-spirit-built-detroit-techno-city > > This was published last September, but I only saw it on their Twitter > today. > > -- > matt kane > http://hydrogenproject.com >
Reverb on Detroit Techno
The DIY Spirit That Built Detroit Techno City https://reverb.com/news/how-a-diy-spirit-built-detroit-techno-city This was published last September, but I only saw it on their Twitter today. -- matt kane http://hydrogenproject.com
Re: Humanities Detroit Techno
It went pretty well, although I should have known I was fooling myself when I said I'd limit it to half the class period. I'll do some more research and see what the kids come back with on Wednesday. Then it's winter break. I'm actually gonna miss this batch a little bit (which I usually don't, and I don't mean that in a nasty way but I'm fine with renewal). But these kids are actually really good, they're all working hard and going through it. Thanks for the resources. As long as the department doesn't mind, I'll be ending my Humanities classes on this note from now on. Maybe the other professors will want to use this unit too, who knows. On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:30 AM peaceju...@gmx.net wrote: > > Here are a few documentaries from my playlist... > > Detroit Techno - The Creation of Techno Music > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6O__kB8Nc8 > > Hi Tech Soul - Techno & Detroit Music > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFx_LP8j_pnyp6nt6FSQkQrVunC1SDgc > > God Said Give 'Em Drum Machines > https://detroittechnomovie.com/ > Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzM_hLrP-WY > > Universal Techno (1996) > https://youtu.be/QQWrYvvzuJw?si=_v3dSF0NZycZjsBd > > Techno City: What is Detroit Techno > https://youtu.be/a2gr73FQ9-s?si=cb45DcTDoAoQcKvJ > > How Techno was born: From Detroit to Berlin and back > https://youtu.be/YQgKrc1ClAI?si=Zze7_Oxe5R95-eSc > > > > European > > The Summer Of Rave 1989 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XrlMpwEuM > > WE CALL IT TECHNO! A documentary about Germany’s early Techno scene and > culture > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPFrWojYQ4 > > Party auf dem Todesstreifen (Berlin Techno early 90s) German > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1aLyy38wuI > > Laurent Garnier - Off The Record (French docu-tribute to club hero offers > uncritical praise but also tells an intriguing history of electronic dance > music since the 80s) > Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAaLkMSBQE > https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/109824-000-A/laurent-garnier-off-the-record/?t=%7Bseek_to_second_number%7D > > > > Am 29.11.2023 um 19:35 schrieb Thorin Teague : > > We're nearing the end of the semester in my new humanities class, and > I'm thinking I might indulge for a half a session or so and have a > discussion on 313. Any suggestions for good documentaries, or sources > of sound historical information? > >
Re: Humanities Detroit Techno
Here are a few documentaries from my playlist... Detroit Techno - The Creation of Techno Music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6O__kB8Nc8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6O__kB8Nc8> Hi Tech Soul - Techno & Detroit Music https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFx_LP8j_pnyp6nt6FSQkQrVunC1SDgc <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFx_LP8j_pnyp6nt6FSQkQrVunC1SDgc> God Said Give 'Em Drum Machines https://detroittechnomovie.com/ <https://detroittechnomovie.com/> Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzM_hLrP-WY <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzM_hLrP-WY> Universal Techno (1996) https://youtu.be/QQWrYvvzuJw?si=_v3dSF0NZycZjsBd <https://youtu.be/QQWrYvvzuJw?si=_v3dSF0NZycZjsBd> Techno City: What is Detroit Techno https://youtu.be/a2gr73FQ9-s?si=cb45DcTDoAoQcKvJ How Techno was born: From Detroit to Berlin and back https://youtu.be/YQgKrc1ClAI?si=Zze7_Oxe5R95-eSc <https://youtu.be/YQgKrc1ClAI?si=Zze7_Oxe5R95-eSc> European The Summer Of Rave 1989 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XrlMpwEuM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XrlMpwEuM> WE CALL IT TECHNO! A documentary about Germany’s early Techno scene and culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPFrWojYQ4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPFrWojYQ4> Party auf dem Todesstreifen (Berlin Techno early 90s) German https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1aLyy38wuI Laurent Garnier - Off The Record (French docu-tribute to club hero offers uncritical praise but also tells an intriguing history of electronic dance music since the 80s) Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAaLkMSBQE https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/109824-000-A/laurent-garnier-off-the-record/?t=%7Bseek_to_second_number%7D > Am 29.11.2023 um 19:35 schrieb Thorin Teague : > > We're nearing the end of the semester in my new humanities class, and > I'm thinking I might indulge for a half a session or so and have a > discussion on 313. Any suggestions for good documentaries, or sources > of sound historical information?
Re: Humanities Detroit Techno
Techno Rebels? On a slight tangent, Jeremy Deller's "Everybody in the Place" is set in a British classroom, where he is teaching British teenagers about the impact of American dance music on Europe at the time. Obviously the context is probably a bit different to what you would naturally seek out, and it does drift away from 313, but the documentary itself is far better than the cookie cutter talking head content we have in most of the better-known examples. The teaching setting is also a great spectatorial model, and in terms of the impact on the viewer, it's second-to-none IIMO. It's the best reference I can think of for the impact of 313 and 312 as cultural exports. It was made for the BBC, but you may be able to find it on YouTube or his site (I haven't tried to unearth the links in case international restrictions apply). On Wednesday, 29 November 2023, Daniel Bean wrote: > This should do the trick: > > https://www.mixcloud.com/tony-romanov/the-electrifying-mojo- > wgpr-detroit-december-1981-a/ > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:36 PM Thorin Teague > wrote: > >> We're nearing the end of the semester in my new humanities class, and >> I'm thinking I might indulge for a half a session or so and have a >> discussion on 313. Any suggestions for good documentaries, or sources >> of sound historical information? >> >
Re: Humanities Detroit Techno
This should do the trick: https://www.mixcloud.com/tony-romanov/the-electrifying-mojo-wgpr-detroit-december-1981-a/ On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:36 PM Thorin Teague wrote: > We're nearing the end of the semester in my new humanities class, and > I'm thinking I might indulge for a half a session or so and have a > discussion on 313. Any suggestions for good documentaries, or sources > of sound historical information? >
Humanities Detroit Techno
We're nearing the end of the semester in my new humanities class, and I'm thinking I might indulge for a half a session or so and have a discussion on 313. Any suggestions for good documentaries, or sources of sound historical information?
techno mixtape : TBE : Never Ending From Here
get your groove on with this techno set by my dj friend TBE ; recorded live this spring 2023 somewhere downtown Quebec City https://soundcloud.com/pertin-nce/tbe-never-ending-from-here https://archive.org/details/tbe-never-ending-from-here sounds like : techno, minimal,
[M.T.02] Bleupulp - Empty Bridges 02 (dub techno)
hello people. here is my latest EP. [M.T.02] Bleupulp - Empty Bridges 02 1. off dub 1 04:10 2. off dub 2 03:24 3. off dub 3 03:33 4. off dub 4 04:36 5. off dub 5 03:18 about ...An empty man walking on an empty bridge, thinking to himself; ''my opinion is useless''... stream & buy : https://pertin-nce.bandcamp.com/album/m-t-02-bleupulp-empty-bridges-02 sounds like: ambient, post dub techno, atmospheric, experimental, minimalism i hope you will enjoy, (tho in the end its just more music that piles up over more music on the internet...) max
Poisonoise Music - Guest Mix - BLEUPULP - (((Dub techno)))
https://soundcloud.com/poisonoise/poisonoise-music-guest-mix-episode-192-bleupulp
Welcome to Episode 192 on Poisonoise Music with this mix seeing the
return of Canadian based artist Maxime Tanguu aka Bleupulp. The prolific
artist has been involved in the Electronic Music scene for many years
now and has a vast array of releases under his belt. His music varies in
style from the deepest of Ambience to dance floor Techno and lots
inbetween. (check his bio and links below for further info)
For this set, Maxime delivers 65 minutes of excellent cross-over deep
and dub techno sounds.
Tracklist :
1- ??? - Black Frost
2- Aspect. - Space Tea
3- Rannosuke Kazamatsuri - Misty Forest ('nî (Kiri no mori)
4- Krisz Deak - Sublimaterial
5- Basicnoise - Visitors (Heavenchord Reshape)
6- Olle Ross - Sleepy Afternoon
7- Deemkeyne - Drops & Tubes
8- Billie Eilish - Listen Before I Go (Lucas Zarate unofficial remix)
9- NORBORG - 94
10- John Ov3rblast - Flotation
11- Callejas - Páramo 2 (Brendon Moeller Dub Remix)
12- Yoshiyuki Ota - Watching The Big Tail
https://soundcloud.com/poisonoise/poisonoise-music-guest-mix-episode-192-bleupulp
peace out
max
[Pertin-nce 091] LLLIT - Vesica Piscis / dub techno / free EP
so LLLIT just released is first EP on Pertin-nce. enjoy, its free... --- details: [Pertin-nce 091] LLLIT - Vesica Piscis 1.Mandorla - 08:56 2.Secuencia Binaria - 08:15 3.Ratio Dorado - 06:56 sound like : dub techno, deep, atmospheric, under water?? stream & download: https://pertin-nce.bandcamp.com/album/pertin-nce-091-lllit-vesica-piscis --- L L L I T's links Bandcamp: https://lllit3.bandcamp.com/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UC6wQ3-lBuQLiYK32uUVhHcw Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/lllit_3 Instagram: www.instagram.com/lllit_3/ SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0oL7mgftYGFe5wWq0b9G4g peace
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
Late to this, but had heard about his passing through friends on other social platforms. Great guy, didn't know him well but was a big part of the 313 list in its earliest years. I echo Kevin's sentiments and miss the sense of community that mailing lists like this provided years ago. Not to shake my old man techno cane at the sky, but I feel like years of social media algorithmic engineering has stripped that away. Or maybe I'm out of touch. Anyway, long live Wibo. Aging sucks. Cheers from Denver, Peter On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 4:13 AM Ronny Pries wrote: > I picked this up almost week ago now. To me, he belonged to the circle of > names I mostly bumped into again and again online. Throughout the last > decades. Of course, I also heard a few of his releases. But I didn't know > him personally. > > And yet, it keeps circling in my system. Beyond my thoughts revolving > around his family. > > Maybe along the lines of what Kevin wrote earlier. About all the things we > didn't tell each other when we could. > > I also wonder how content Wibo was with his artistic journey. If he found > what he was looking for within. If he, deep inside, was satisfied with how > he was perceived as a 'creative'. > > If that's even a possible thing to achieve for anyone. > > Thank you all for somehow being part of my journey for all these years. > For the insights into a different world, culture, its struggle, its fruits, > delivering a sense of space and place. Also for the discussions, the clash > of opinions, for just being humans. > > I think we know nothing. And that, especially in the dawn of AI, it's our > duty to figure out more frugal ways of communication. To get a better > understanding about the human condition, the creative drive, the value of > communication through creative work and all that. > > And I hope this runs in Wibo's spirit. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17. Aug 2022, at 15:30, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > > > Thorin, my comment has everything to do with being present. > Thank you to all for the kind words. > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 9:26 AM Thorin Teague wrote: > >> W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit >> of a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked him. >> >> I now know by the way that he unexpectedly went into cardiac arrest. >> Resuscitation was attempted but failed. He was in basically good/great >> health. >> >> I'm really sorry to hear about your health situation, too. I hope you get >> well ASAP. >> >> I'm no more concerned about what happens to me after I die then I am >> concerned about what was happening to me before I was born. Almost everyone >> who is anxious about the former has no worry about the latter. I believe >> that attitude kind of reveals the game. >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 8:15 AM Kevin Kennedy wrote: >> >>> What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with >>> each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. >>> >>> I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends >>> that I'll never see again. >>> >>> Here's my personal perspective: >>> I have, for the last two years or so have been on dialysis. I've spent >>> the last year having multiple eye surgeries in order to save my sight. >>> I've been through hell. >>> >>> We as a society focus so much on dying and death that many times people >>> forget to think about living. >>> Tell friends that you love them. Say the kind words to the people who >>> you respect. Thank the artists that enriched your experience. It takes >>> nothing to be nice, and who knows, you might make their day brighter. >>> >>> Just a thought for you from someone who has had to confront his >>> mortality recently. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 1:33 PM Thorin Teague >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout >>>> the Detroit and Germam community. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing >>>>> some great music too. >>>>> >>>>> P. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has >>>>> died. >>>>> >>>>> This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming >>>>> Berlin gig. >>>>> >>>>> Holding his family in the light. >>>>> >>>>>
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
I picked this up almost week ago now. To me, he belonged to the circle of names I mostly bumped into again and again online. Throughout the last decades. Of course, I also heard a few of his releases. But I didn't know him personally. And yet, it keeps circling in my system. Beyond my thoughts revolving around his family. Maybe along the lines of what Kevin wrote earlier. About all the things we didn't tell each other when we could. I also wonder how content Wibo was with his artistic journey. If he found what he was looking for within. If he, deep inside, was satisfied with how he was perceived as a 'creative'. If that's even a possible thing to achieve for anyone. Thank you all for somehow being part of my journey for all these years. For the insights into a different world, culture, its struggle, its fruits, delivering a sense of space and place. Also for the discussions, the clash of opinions, for just being humans. I think we know nothing. And that, especially in the dawn of AI, it's our duty to figure out more frugal ways of communication. To get a better understanding about the human condition, the creative drive, the value of communication through creative work and all that. And I hope this runs in Wibo's spirit. Sent from my iPhone > On 17. Aug 2022, at 15:30, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > > > Thorin, my comment has everything to do with being present. > Thank you to all for the kind words. > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 9:26 AM Thorin Teague wrote: >> W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit of >> a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked him. >> >> I now know by the way that he unexpectedly went into cardiac arrest. >> Resuscitation was attempted but failed. He was in basically good/great >> health. >> >> I'm really sorry to hear about your health situation, too. I hope you get >> well ASAP. >> >> I'm no more concerned about what happens to me after I die then I am >> concerned about what was happening to me before I was born. Almost everyone >> who is anxious about the former has no worry about the latter. I believe >> that attitude kind of reveals the game. >> >>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 8:15 AM Kevin Kennedy wrote: >>> What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with >>> each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. >>> >>> I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends that >>> I'll never see again. >>> >>> Here's my personal perspective: >>> I have, for the last two years or so have been on dialysis. I've spent the >>> last year having multiple eye surgeries in order to save my sight. I've >>> been through hell. >>> >>> We as a society focus so much on dying and death that many times people >>> forget to think about living. >>> Tell friends that you love them. Say the kind words to the people who you >>> respect. Thank the artists that enriched your experience. It takes nothing >>> to be nice, and who knows, you might make their day brighter. >>> >>> Just a thought for you from someone who has had to confront his mortality >>> recently. >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 1:33 PM Thorin Teague wrote: >>>> Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the >>>> Detroit and Germam community. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: >>>>> This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some >>>>> great music too. >>>>> >>>>> P. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has >>>>>> died. >>>>>> >>>>>> This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming >>>>>> Berlin gig. >>>>>> >>>>>> Holding his family in the light.
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
Thorin, my comment has everything to do with being present. Thank you to all for the kind words. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 9:26 AM Thorin Teague wrote: > W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit > of a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked him. > > I now know by the way that he unexpectedly went into cardiac arrest. > Resuscitation was attempted but failed. He was in basically good/great > health. > > I'm really sorry to hear about your health situation, too. I hope you get > well ASAP. > > I'm no more concerned about what happens to me after I die then I am > concerned about what was happening to me before I was born. Almost everyone > who is anxious about the former has no worry about the latter. I believe > that attitude kind of reveals the game. > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 8:15 AM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > >> What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with >> each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. >> >> I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends >> that I'll never see again. >> >> Here's my personal perspective: >> I have, for the last two years or so have been on dialysis. I've spent >> the last year having multiple eye surgeries in order to save my sight. >> I've been through hell. >> >> We as a society focus so much on dying and death that many times people >> forget to think about living. >> Tell friends that you love them. Say the kind words to the people who you >> respect. Thank the artists that enriched your experience. It takes nothing >> to be nice, and who knows, you might make their day brighter. >> >> Just a thought for you from someone who has had to confront his mortality >> recently. >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 1:33 PM Thorin Teague >> wrote: >> >>> Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the >>> Detroit and Germam community. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: >>> >>>> This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some >>>> great music too. >>>> >>>> P. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has >>>> died. >>>> >>>> This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming >>>> Berlin gig. >>>> >>>> Holding his family in the light. >>>> >>>>
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit of a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked him. I now know by the way that he unexpectedly went into cardiac arrest. Resuscitation was attempted but failed. He was in basically good/great health. I'm really sorry to hear about your health situation, too. I hope you get well ASAP. I'm no more concerned about what happens to me after I die then I am concerned about what was happening to me before I was born. Almost everyone who is anxious about the former has no worry about the latter. I believe that attitude kind of reveals the game. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 8:15 AM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with > each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. > > I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends > that I'll never see again. > > Here's my personal perspective: > I have, for the last two years or so have been on dialysis. I've spent > the last year having multiple eye surgeries in order to save my sight. > I've been through hell. > > We as a society focus so much on dying and death that many times people > forget to think about living. > Tell friends that you love them. Say the kind words to the people who you > respect. Thank the artists that enriched your experience. It takes nothing > to be nice, and who knows, you might make their day brighter. > > Just a thought for you from someone who has had to confront his mortality > recently. > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 1:33 PM Thorin Teague wrote: > >> Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the >> Detroit and Germam community. >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: >> >>> This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some >>> great music too. >>> >>> P. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > >>> wrote: >>> >>> A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has >>> died. >>> >>> This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming >>> Berlin gig. >>> >>> Holding his family in the light. >>> >>>
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends that I'll never see again. Here's my personal perspective: I have, for the last two years or so have been on dialysis. I've spent the last year having multiple eye surgeries in order to save my sight. I've been through hell. We as a society focus so much on dying and death that many times people forget to think about living. Tell friends that you love them. Say the kind words to the people who you respect. Thank the artists that enriched your experience. It takes nothing to be nice, and who knows, you might make their day brighter. Just a thought for you from someone who has had to confront his mortality recently. On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 1:33 PM Thorin Teague wrote: > Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the > Detroit and Germam community. > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: > >> This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some >> great music too. >> >> P. >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > >> wrote: >> >> A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has >> died. >> >> This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming >> Berlin gig. >> >> Holding his family in the light. >> >>
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the Detroit and Germam community. On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: > This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some > great music too. > > P. > > > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > > wrote: > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has > died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light. > >
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some great music too. P. > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> > wrote: > > > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist"Wibo Lammerts has > died. > > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light.
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
Oh, that’s sad to hear. RIP > On 15 Aug 2022, at 17:16, kent williams wrote: > > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light.
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
I caught up with Otto just last week in London (and Hans a couple months prior), lots of old 313 (and Lowlands) discussion, including the other Techno Tourists. Sad news. BG > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM, mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com)> > wrote: > > > > > He was a good guy. I remember driving KJ, Otto, and him around Greektown for > that first 313 meet. RIP > > > > Hard to believe that was almost 25 years ago. > > > > I was thinking the other day that Fred and Greg seemed mature to me when I > was 20. I'm probably older now then they were at the time. > > > > Time waits for no one. Momento mori. > > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 11:16 AM kent williams (mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist"Wibo Lammerts has > > died. > > > > > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > > gig. > > > > Holding his family in the light.
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
He was a good guy. I remember driving KJ, Otto, and him around Greektown for that first 313 meet. RIP Hard to believe that was almost 25 years ago. I was thinking the other day that Fred and Greg seemed mature to me when I was 20. I'm probably older now then they were at the time. Time waits for no one. Momento mori. On Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 11:16 AM kent williams wrote: > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has > died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light. >
Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
Oh no, what terrible news. On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 12:16 PM kent williams wrote: > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light.
RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts
A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin gig. Holding his family in the light.
live dub techno jams from france : Juu Juu - UNKNOWN (free ep)
[Pertin-nce 089] Juu Juu - UNKNOWN Juu Juu's first release on Pertin-nce. Live dub techno jams from France, hardware only, no edit and no pretention. Relax and enjoy the ride! track listing: 1.Ricochets 2.Deep Shadow 3.Free Road free download : https://pertin-nce.bandcamp.com/album/pertin-nce-089-juu-juu-unknown Juu Juu: https://soundcloud.com/juu-juu-573798281
Techno Moms
Happy Mother’s Day to all the Moms out there! There really isn’t anything more awesome than Techno Moms.
Re: deep dub techno mix by Enoo Neapolitan
Very nice chill mox. On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:00 PM dubloop wrote: > My friend from South Africa MC Matutle aka Enoo Napoletian just made this > exclusive deep dub techno mix for Pertin-nce. > > stream & download: > > https://soundcloud.com/pertin-nce/pertin-nce-presents-enoo-neapolitan > > > more about Enoo: > > https://hearthis.at/mc-matutle > https://soundcloud.com/mc-matutle > https://facebook.com/mc.matutle > https://www.facebook.com/enoo.neapolitan > > > enjoy > > > max > > > -- > pertin-nce.bandcamp.com > the-end-is-near.bandcamp.com > soundcloud.com/bleupulp > soundcloud.com/maxime-tanguay >
deep dub techno mix by Enoo Neapolitan
My friend from South Africa MC Matutle aka Enoo Napoletian just made this exclusive deep dub techno mix for Pertin-nce. stream & download: https://soundcloud.com/pertin-nce/pertin-nce-presents-enoo-neapolitan more about Enoo: https://hearthis.at/mc-matutle https://soundcloud.com/mc-matutle https://facebook.com/mc.matutle https://www.facebook.com/enoo.neapolitan enjoy max -- pertin-nce.bandcamp.com the-end-is-near.bandcamp.com soundcloud.com/bleupulp soundcloud.com/maxime-tanguay
Detroit techno in The Batman movie
https://smtp01.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/30010/detroit_techno_gets_a_cameo_in_the_batman Neat.
Re: The future of Detroit Techno-Jazz
This is pretty dope. I suppose there are people who only like techno, but I listen to a lot of Jazz and Jazz is interwoven in a lot of Detroit dance music - Think Theo Parrish, and even (in his own unique way) Omar S... On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 8:33 AM David A. Powers wrote: > Forget that JM press release, if you want to hear some real underground > jazz, check out Djallo Djakate playing drums alongside Rafael Statin (aka > Leafar). This is the cutting edge of cosmic techno-jazz experimentation... > Caught the recent show under the name "Inner Ear" at Trinosophes in Eastern > Market, and it was fantastic. Be on the lookout for Inner Ear in the > future... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFM6CImoqo > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpA7zYslnAo > > PS Rafael is the saxophonist for a recent Jeff Mills project: > https://www.axisrecords.com/product/jeff-mills-rafael-leafar-the-override-switch/ > > It's cool that Jeff recognizes the talent of someone like Rafael and is > using him. But people should be aware that there are other amazing jazz > musicians like Djallo Djakate that few people have heard of, and these are > the people who have been participating in local scenes for years and are > quietly pushing boundaries and continuing to evolve the music behind > the scenes. > > ~David >
The future of Detroit Techno-Jazz
Forget that JM press release, if you want to hear some real underground jazz, check out Djallo Djakate playing drums alongside Rafael Statin (aka Leafar). This is the cutting edge of cosmic techno-jazz experimentation... Caught the recent show under the name "Inner Ear" at Trinosophes in Eastern Market, and it was fantastic. Be on the lookout for Inner Ear in the future... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFM6CImoqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpA7zYslnAo PS Rafael is the saxophonist for a recent Jeff Mills project: https://www.axisrecords.com/product/jeff-mills-rafael-leafar-the-override-switch/ It's cool that Jeff recognizes the talent of someone like Rafael and is using him. But people should be aware that there are other amazing jazz musicians like Djallo Djakate that few people have heard of, and these are the people who have been participating in local scenes for years and are quietly pushing boundaries and continuing to evolve the music behind the scenes. ~David
Acid Techno
This should be new to all of you Detroiters! I made these last year but really only available in Chicago. You can purchase heere at Gramaphone Records website. https://gramaphonerecords.com/collections/house/products/matt-dubspun-things-i-do-for-love-ep Here are SoundCloud links to the songs on this EP. https://soundcloud.com/user-904845772/a-1scene-before?si=ef1862942995455588e3f54724b988a2 https://soundcloud.com/user-904845772/a-2swing-shift?si=ef1862942995455588e3f54724b988a2 https://soundcloud.com/user-904845772/b-1bitrate?si=ef1862942995455588e3f54724b988a2 https://soundcloud.com/user-904845772/b-2things-i-do-for-love?si=ef1862942995455588e3f54724b988a2 Thank you for your time and support. Detroit's music has a profound impact on me.
Re: Summer techno
'Excursions into Techno' was a great series and the MFA release came with a box to house the other 12's inc David Caron - Fantasy on a Fantasy and iO - Claire. Reminded me to check that film out. With now getting some darker evenings at the end of summer here I've rediscovered the Juan & Moritz Borderland :Transport album. I think this one got overlooked at the time but I prefer it over the previous release. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Philip McGarva > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:11:57 +1000 > Subject: Summer techno > Well it’s winter here in Oz but since I watched ‘The Man from Mo’ Wax’ I > been exploring a few ‘Excursions’ releases I missed at the time, especially > Midnight Funk ‘Firescratch’ > > >
Re: Summer Techno Songs
I know I'm a bit late on this, but loving Brian Kage's Tour de Troit. Drifting a bit adrift off pure 313 I've been enjoying these: -NCW on NCW on Apartment -DJ Deeon's Destiny -Dino Sabatini on Delsin offshoot Mantis (one for the Dozzy fans) -Tusken Raiders House week Vol. 5 (best of the series for me, although I may be drifting away from "Summer techno" here) On Tuesday, 6 July 2021, Daniel Bean wrote: > Drum & Bass fans may be interested to note that Lee from Unique 3 went on > to set up the label Flex and produce under the name L Double on Flex, > Metalheads and others. Also had a long running D show on BBC radio in the > 00s. > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:48 AM Mike Taylor wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've been reading Matt Annis' excellent book, Join the Future. I've been >> digging through the early bleep stuff. Some of it is still interesting, and >> some isn't. >> >> The most striking project I've discovered is Unique 3. There are some >> cuts on Jus Unique that are absolutely mind blowing. Think early LFO, but >> done earlier and done about ten times better. >> >> It's almost criminal that Frequencies is hailed as the classic album in >> the genre when Jus Unique is so much more interesting. >> >> Not sure if this qualifies as summer techno, but it's the techno I've >> been listening to this summer. >> >> Cheers, >> M >> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 9:03 PM David Mansfield >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all: >>> >>> Just wondering what has been nice to your ears as far as techno goes >>> this summer? >>> >>
Re: Summer Techno Songs
Drum & Bass fans may be interested to note that Lee from Unique 3 went on to set up the label Flex and produce under the name L Double on Flex, Metalheads and others. Also had a long running D show on BBC radio in the 00s. On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:48 AM Mike Taylor wrote: > Hello, > > I've been reading Matt Annis' excellent book, Join the Future. I've been > digging through the early bleep stuff. Some of it is still interesting, and > some isn't. > > The most striking project I've discovered is Unique 3. There are some cuts > on Jus Unique that are absolutely mind blowing. Think early LFO, but done > earlier and done about ten times better. > > It's almost criminal that Frequencies is hailed as the classic album in > the genre when Jus Unique is so much more interesting. > > Not sure if this qualifies as summer techno, but it's the techno I've been > listening to this summer. > > Cheers, > M > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 9:03 PM David Mansfield > wrote: > >> Hi all: >> >> Just wondering what has been nice to your ears as far as techno goes this >> summer? >> >
Re: Summer Techno Songs
Hello, I've been reading Matt Annis' excellent book, Join the Future. I've been digging through the early bleep stuff. Some of it is still interesting, and some isn't. The most striking project I've discovered is Unique 3. There are some cuts on Jus Unique that are absolutely mind blowing. Think early LFO, but done earlier and done about ten times better. It's almost criminal that Frequencies is hailed as the classic album in the genre when Jus Unique is so much more interesting. Not sure if this qualifies as summer techno, but it's the techno I've been listening to this summer. Cheers, M On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 9:03 PM David Mansfield wrote: > Hi all: > > Just wondering what has been nice to your ears as far as techno goes this > summer? >
Summer techno
Well it’s winter here in Oz but since I watched ‘The Man from Mo’ Wax’ I been exploring a few ‘Excursions’ releases I missed at the time, especially Midnight Funk ‘Firescratch’
Summer Techno Songs
Hi all: Just wondering what has been nice to your ears as far as techno goes this summer?
Underground Detroit techno - music video
Check out this video by my friend Andy Garcia (along with Dutch Mike, who I don't know). Andy is a real Detroiter: for years he's lived in a loft in Greektown, run the Cryovac label, and worked at Archer Record Pressing. Anyway, I'm really feeling this track, plus I love the DIY sci fi vibe of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owKKx0DrNFk ~David
NEW Techno added
Hello everyone I hope you are all safe during this mess. I plan on releasing these on vinyl but can't do it in the immediate future. If you are a label looking for this type of music and you release vinyl maybe we could do some licensing. Here are the links to my bandcamp page https://mattdubspun.bandcamp.com/album/southeast-side-chicago-ep https://mattdubspun.bandcamp.com/album/sounds-from-the-north https://mattdubspun.bandcamp.com/album/low-end-storm-ep https://mattdubspun.bandcamp.com/album/remember-you-ep Thank you so much for letting me post this and I hope you will check it out. I've been hit hard by the pandemic as I am sure most of us have. PEACE Matt Dubspun
Re: True People - The Detroit Techno Album
P.s. apologies for anything lost in translation. I believe there's a few streamshields out there shielding and subverting certain contents. Lets just say a little birdie told me so. C On 2020-11-24 07:27, cnd wrote: Hey list, I recall this clearly. The vibe was out. The whole album was a total letdown. I had the cd, my man Nawfal had the vinyl. Two points stood out for me - one, Dave Moss noticed that the production on the first track, 'Davey Jones Locker' was kind of SPOT-ON, and secondly despite my pre-emo post-disillusionment about the quality of the CD I was so desperate to get my head around, it wasn't really until I heard Nawfal play 'Don't Blame it on me' that I think I got it. Bought the 5 pack some time back now. Don't . regret. nuthin'. Anyays, peas to Denise. Black Lives Matter but I ain't got the t-shirt. Here's a more modern piece in a (let's just say), stream of consciousness style. The true stories often have to wait until prior to legal clearance these days. But hey. https://thecoronaphases.wordpress.com/2020/06/11/the-raving-of-the-shrews/ The truth is out there. peace FB
True People - The Detroit Techno Album
Hey list, I recall this clearly. The vibe was out. The whole album was a total letdown. I had the cd, my man Nawfal had the vinyl. Two points stood out for me - one, Dave Moss noticed that the production on the first track, 'Davey Jones Locker' was kind of SPOT-ON, and secondly despite my pre-emo post-disillusionment about the quality of the CD I was so desperate to get my head around, it wasn't really until I heard Nawfal play 'Don't Blame it on me' that I think I got it. Bought the 5 pack some time back now. Don't . regret. nuthin'. Anyays, peas to Denise. Black Lives Matter but I ain't got the t-shirt. Here's a more modern piece in a (let's just say), stream of consciousness style. The true stories often have to wait until prior to legal clearance these days. But hey. https://thecoronaphases.wordpress.com/2020/06/11/the-raving-of-the-shrews/ The truth is out there. peace FB
Pertin-nce show : Guest Mix By Sunny Inside (dub techno)
The Pertin-nce Show presents Sunny Inside from Brakpan, South Africa. track listing: 1.Subd - Podz (Naarky Reshapes ) 2.Ackost - Elegant Dimension 3.Jor-G - Atitlo 4.Subd - Sentimento 5.Bleupulp - Fix Me Before I Go 6.R.hz - Dub Wind 7.Subd - Orqeusta Maluca 8.Danijel Kevic - Talking About Time 9.Dubdeliquent - The Green Idea 10.If I Had A Hifi - 75th Orbith 11 .Joe Le Bon - Lost Mandrine stream & Download : https://soundcloud.com/pertin-nce/pertin-nce-guest-mix-by-sunny-inside-dmd Sunny Inside links: www.facebook.com/DarkMentalDub [1] hearthis.at/mzwakhe-sikhosana/ [2] hearthis.at/dark-mental-dub-dmd-podcast-g2/ [3] Pertin-nce links: www.pertin-nce.bandcamp.com [4] www.the-end-is-near.bandcamp.com [5] www.mixcloud.com/pertin [6] www.facebook.com/pertinnce [7] @pertin-nce [8] www.pertin-nce.blogspot.com [9] www.variousanduneasy.blogspot.com [10] Links: -- [1] https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FDarkMentalDubtoken=74bb5e-1-1600257696282 [2] https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhearthis.at%2Fmzwakhe-sikhosana%2Ftoken=8e0efd-1-1600257696282 [3] https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhearthis.at%2Fdark-mental-dub-dmd-podcast-g2%2Ftoken=81d380-1-1600257696282 [4] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pertin-nce.bandcamp.comtoken=c679-1-1600257696282 [5] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-end-is-near.bandcamp.comtoken=8219b9-1-1600257696282 [6] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixcloud.com%2Fpertintoken=27c6b3-1-1600257696282 [7] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpertinncetoken=71f3c3-1-1600257696282 [8] https://soundcloud.com/pertin-nce [9] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pertin-nce.blogspot.comtoken=67a69-1-1600257696282 [10] https://gate.sc/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.variousanduneasy.blogspot.comtoken=1d1c83-1-1600257696282
CDM feature on Detroit Techno.
Ash Lauryn again, with bunch of information and sound samples, notably Huey Mnemonic. There's actually a LOT going on with younger producers in Detroit. https://cdm.link/2020/09/go-read-and-listen-to-ash-lauryn-from-atlanta-to-the-world-black-and-underground/
Re: Business techno & Detroit 313 list
Appreciated your thoughts, David and Kent. And, yes, very telling that here it is a couple of days and still only us 3 white men took the time to contribute. Poor wifi out in the country for a while helping my parents out so not able to be more responsive. Andrew On Wed., Aug. 19, 2020, 1:19 p.m. kent williams, wrote: > Don't worry, the main grief-giver is gone, likely hunkered down in their > Ypsi spite-bunker, telling anyone who'll listen how lame this e-mail list > is. > > Frankie Hutchinson is right on, and more than just her words. The focus of > Discwoman (on women/nonbinary/people of color) created careers for new, > unique voices in dance music, and she's had to deal with a lot of dragging > from people who can't handle the idea of people other than white men > calling the shots. > > The world of dance music has room for all sorts of people, even white men > ;-) but it's clear that the black erasure needs to stop. And the people > feeling attacked over this issue need to open their ears. When > under-represented (and underpaid) artists & DJs are given a chance, they > enlarge and deepen the music. The whole idea that 'affirmative action' is > reverse racism is so stupid. What happens when an effort is made to > include the underrepresented? It exposes whole worlds of talented artists > that were previously ignored. > > So this thread so far is 3 white guys talking, so I'm going to shut up now. > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:30 PM Andrew Duke > wrote: > >> [I am still shaking my head about the extended insanity that erupted on >> this list the last time I shared a link to dweller (their Juneteeth post >> compiling a listing of 60 articles related to techno's black history.) Not >> in a mood to be trifled with. Do some deep research before you give me >> grief again about my posts aiming to inform and possibly start discussions >> done with respect. Black is spelled "black" in their posts (likely stylized >> lowercase presentations) and I am posting this (below) verbatim. Ash Lauryn >> has written for them. Her sister, The AM, is one of the best new DJs out >> there. And yesteday I literally deleted all music from and related to Kevin >> Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Terrence Dixon, and Scan 7 from my collection. >> Those artists have been HUGE for me, some for 32+ years, but I am not >> interested in supporting artists who do not truly support women in a world >> already full of so many challenges. Check my Facebook if you want more info >> about how I feel. Check Jeff Mills' FB page where people fell over >> themselves yesterday to like the sharing of a June 11 article that trotted >> out more B3 repetition and failed to, once again, acknowledge women. Not >> leaving the list, but getting tired of little effort being made to provide >> what this list could be if more contributed. There are so many talented >> voices here who remain silent. Debate earnestly with diplomacy; take a deep >> breath and reread before you post, though: the internet is forever. Andrew >> Duke >> "Dweller electronics >> writings from a black perspective >> >> Posted on August 18, 2020 >> business techno matters: how those who have the most sacrifice the least >> by frankie decaiza hutchinson" >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/2020/08/18/business-techno-matters-how-those-who-have-the-most-sacrifice-the-least/ >> >
Re: Business techno & Detroit 313 list
Don't worry, the main grief-giver is gone, likely hunkered down in their Ypsi spite-bunker, telling anyone who'll listen how lame this e-mail list is. Frankie Hutchinson is right on, and more than just her words. The focus of Discwoman (on women/nonbinary/people of color) created careers for new, unique voices in dance music, and she's had to deal with a lot of dragging from people who can't handle the idea of people other than white men calling the shots. The world of dance music has room for all sorts of people, even white men ;-) but it's clear that the black erasure needs to stop. And the people feeling attacked over this issue need to open their ears. When under-represented (and underpaid) artists & DJs are given a chance, they enlarge and deepen the music. The whole idea that 'affirmative action' is reverse racism is so stupid. What happens when an effort is made to include the underrepresented? It exposes whole worlds of talented artists that were previously ignored. So this thread so far is 3 white guys talking, so I'm going to shut up now. On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:30 PM Andrew Duke wrote: > [I am still shaking my head about the extended insanity that erupted on > this list the last time I shared a link to dweller (their Juneteeth post > compiling a listing of 60 articles related to techno's black history.) Not > in a mood to be trifled with. Do some deep research before you give me > grief again about my posts aiming to inform and possibly start discussions > done with respect. Black is spelled "black" in their posts (likely stylized > lowercase presentations) and I am posting this (below) verbatim. Ash Lauryn > has written for them. Her sister, The AM, is one of the best new DJs out > there. And yesteday I literally deleted all music from and related to Kevin > Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Terrence Dixon, and Scan 7 from my collection. > Those artists have been HUGE for me, some for 32+ years, but I am not > interested in supporting artists who do not truly support women in a world > already full of so many challenges. Check my Facebook if you want more info > about how I feel. Check Jeff Mills' FB page where people fell over > themselves yesterday to like the sharing of a June 11 article that trotted > out more B3 repetition and failed to, once again, acknowledge women. Not > leaving the list, but getting tired of little effort being made to provide > what this list could be if more contributed. There are so many talented > voices here who remain silent. Debate earnestly with diplomacy; take a deep > breath and reread before you post, though: the internet is forever. Andrew > Duke > "Dweller electronics > writings from a black perspective > > Posted on August 18, 2020 > business techno matters: how those who have the most sacrifice the least > by frankie decaiza hutchinson" > > https://dwellerforever.blog/2020/08/18/business-techno-matters-how-those-who-have-the-most-sacrifice-the-least/ >
Re: Business techno & Detroit 313 list
Sorry, typo in there, I meant to say: "To what extent does the idea of individuals in competition itself always create a kind of pyramid shaped hierarchy where there are only a few winners at the top and everybody else ends up at the bottom? [How do we ]create a situation where there are more opportunities for all talented musicians, and all talented serious working musicians have the opportunity to perform and get paid fairly for their work?" On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:56 PM David A. Powers wrote: > Andrew: > > I don't think there are any easy answers to the problems this article > brings up, and especially, these are problems that no individual can solve. > They can only be solved by COLLECTIVE ACTION, something that is especially > difficult during a pandemic. That means that those of us who really want to > make a better future are going to have to connect, come up with strategic > plans, and actually work together to take concrete steps to bring change in > the real world. > > I don't have any easy answers, and I'm personally in a situation where I'm > trying to avoid becoming homeless again, so I'm not sure to what extent I > can do anything beyond looking out for my own survival at the present > moment. > > BUT, I do think I have some idea of the questions that we need to ask and > work on together, if we are serious about creating a different situation: > > * How do we move beyond empty symbolic gestures to create systemic change? > How do we do it in an organized way that doesn't just amount to moralistic > virtue signaling done by individuals that doesn't change the larger > structure? > > * If the music industry is driven by profit, and the profit motive > incentivizes behavior that often results in unjust treatment of people > based on things like gender, race, and class, how is it possible to make > any substantial change within the context of capitalism? To what extent are > concepts of justice compatible with the ideas of free market competition > that are supposed to underlie capitalism? To what extent does the idea of > individuals in competition itself always create a kind of pyramid shaped > hierarchy where there are only a few winners at the top and everybody else > ends up at the bottom, to create a situation where there are more > opportunities for all talented musicians, and all talented serious working > musicians have the opportunity to perform and get paid fairly for their > work? > > * What kind of organizations would allow us to create events with more > just outcomes? How should those organizations be structured? How will they > survive and be sustainable in the context of capitalism and an industry > driven by the pursuit of profit? > > ~David > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:30 PM Andrew Duke > wrote: > >> [I am still shaking my head about the extended insanity that erupted on >> this list the last time I shared a link to dweller (their Juneteeth post >> compiling a listing of 60 articles related to techno's black history.) Not >> in a mood to be trifled with. Do some deep research before you give me >> grief again about my posts aiming to inform and possibly start discussions >> done with respect. Black is spelled "black" in their posts (likely stylized >> lowercase presentations) and I am posting this (below) verbatim. Ash Lauryn >> has written for them. Her sister, The AM, is one of the best new DJs out >> there. And yesteday I literally deleted all music from and related to Kevin >> Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Terrence Dixon, and Scan 7 from my collection. >> Those artists have been HUGE for me, some for 32+ years, but I am not >> interested in supporting artists who do not truly support women in a world >> already full of so many challenges. Check my Facebook if you want more info >> about how I feel. Check Jeff Mills' FB page where people fell over >> themselves yesterday to like the sharing of a June 11 article that trotted >> out more B3 repetition and failed to, once again, acknowledge women. Not >> leaving the list, but getting tired of little effort being made to provide >> what this list could be if more contributed. There are so many talented >> voices here who remain silent. Debate earnestly with diplomacy; take a deep >> breath and reread before you post, though: the internet is forever. Andrew >> Duke >> "Dweller electronics >> writings from a black perspective >> >> Posted on August 18, 2020 >> business techno matters: how those who have the most sacrifice the least >> by frankie decaiza hutchinson" >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/2020/08/18/business-techno-matters-how-those-who-have-the-most-sacrifice-the-least/ >> >
Re: Business techno & Detroit 313 list
Andrew: I don't think there are any easy answers to the problems this article brings up, and especially, these are problems that no individual can solve. They can only be solved by COLLECTIVE ACTION, something that is especially difficult during a pandemic. That means that those of us who really want to make a better future are going to have to connect, come up with strategic plans, and actually work together to take concrete steps to bring change in the real world. I don't have any easy answers, and I'm personally in a situation where I'm trying to avoid becoming homeless again, so I'm not sure to what extent I can do anything beyond looking out for my own survival at the present moment. BUT, I do think I have some idea of the questions that we need to ask and work on together, if we are serious about creating a different situation: * How do we move beyond empty symbolic gestures to create systemic change? How do we do it in an organized way that doesn't just amount to moralistic virtue signaling done by individuals that doesn't change the larger structure? * If the music industry is driven by profit, and the profit motive incentivizes behavior that often results in unjust treatment of people based on things like gender, race, and class, how is it possible to make any substantial change within the context of capitalism? To what extent are concepts of justice compatible with the ideas of free market competition that are supposed to underlie capitalism? To what extent does the idea of individuals in competition itself always create a kind of pyramid shaped hierarchy where there are only a few winners at the top and everybody else ends up at the bottom, to create a situation where there are more opportunities for all talented musicians, and all talented serious working musicians have the opportunity to perform and get paid fairly for their work? * What kind of organizations would allow us to create events with more just outcomes? How should those organizations be structured? How will they survive and be sustainable in the context of capitalism and an industry driven by the pursuit of profit? ~David On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:30 PM Andrew Duke wrote: > [I am still shaking my head about the extended insanity that erupted on > this list the last time I shared a link to dweller (their Juneteeth post > compiling a listing of 60 articles related to techno's black history.) Not > in a mood to be trifled with. Do some deep research before you give me > grief again about my posts aiming to inform and possibly start discussions > done with respect. Black is spelled "black" in their posts (likely stylized > lowercase presentations) and I am posting this (below) verbatim. Ash Lauryn > has written for them. Her sister, The AM, is one of the best new DJs out > there. And yesteday I literally deleted all music from and related to Kevin > Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Terrence Dixon, and Scan 7 from my collection. > Those artists have been HUGE for me, some for 32+ years, but I am not > interested in supporting artists who do not truly support women in a world > already full of so many challenges. Check my Facebook if you want more info > about how I feel. Check Jeff Mills' FB page where people fell over > themselves yesterday to like the sharing of a June 11 article that trotted > out more B3 repetition and failed to, once again, acknowledge women. Not > leaving the list, but getting tired of little effort being made to provide > what this list could be if more contributed. There are so many talented > voices here who remain silent. Debate earnestly with diplomacy; take a deep > breath and reread before you post, though: the internet is forever. Andrew > Duke > "Dweller electronics > writings from a black perspective > > Posted on August 18, 2020 > business techno matters: how those who have the most sacrifice the least > by frankie decaiza hutchinson" > > https://dwellerforever.blog/2020/08/18/business-techno-matters-how-those-who-have-the-most-sacrifice-the-least/ >
Business techno & Detroit 313 list
[I am still shaking my head about the extended insanity that erupted on this list the last time I shared a link to dweller (their Juneteeth post compiling a listing of 60 articles related to techno's black history.) Not in a mood to be trifled with. Do some deep research before you give me grief again about my posts aiming to inform and possibly start discussions done with respect. Black is spelled "black" in their posts (likely stylized lowercase presentations) and I am posting this (below) verbatim. Ash Lauryn has written for them. Her sister, The AM, is one of the best new DJs out there. And yesteday I literally deleted all music from and related to Kevin Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Terrence Dixon, and Scan 7 from my collection. Those artists have been HUGE for me, some for 32+ years, but I am not interested in supporting artists who do not truly support women in a world already full of so many challenges. Check my Facebook if you want more info about how I feel. Check Jeff Mills' FB page where people fell over themselves yesterday to like the sharing of a June 11 article that trotted out more B3 repetition and failed to, once again, acknowledge women. Not leaving the list, but getting tired of little effort being made to provide what this list could be if more contributed. There are so many talented voices here who remain silent. Debate earnestly with diplomacy; take a deep breath and reread before you post, though: the internet is forever. Andrew Duke "Dweller electronics writings from a black perspective Posted on August 18, 2020 business techno matters: how those who have the most sacrifice the least by frankie decaiza hutchinson" https://dwellerforever.blog/2020/08/18/business-techno-matters-how-those-who-have-the-most-sacrifice-the-least/
fast techno : Captagon by Rod Modell on Tresor berlin
Rob Modell released this fast techno album on tresor. https://tresorberlin.bandcamp.com/album/captagon [1] i like it Links: -- [1] https://tresorberlin.bandcamp.com/album/captagon
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
I'm sorry, but I have zero belief that you can bring about any change from within the confines of capitalism, because capitalism is a system that concentrates power mostly in the hands of a few extremely rich capitalists, while the majority of the population has no power, and ordinary people are forced to work at shitty alienating jobs where they have absolutely no control over their time and bodies during the working day when they rent out their labor to business owners. And while racist or bigoted attitudes may have some independent existence in the minds of ignorant individuals, racism has always served the purpose of allowing groups of people to be economically exploited. To give a clear example: A lot of the technology used to create techno, for instance, is probably created by nonwhite individuals working in terrible labor conditions outside of Europe and the United States. Anti-racism means NOTHING unless it is willing to fight for better working conditions and material conditions for the exploited workers, the majority of whom are actually nonwhite. Thus, any "diversity" initiative that does not challenge fundamental aspects of capitalist production and its exploitation of human labor. Large festivals, in particular, make their money like all capitalist enterprises by trying to maximize worker exploitation, because the lower the labor costs, the higher the profit. In a capitalist economy, this profit motive will ALWAYS trump any efforts at increasing diversity, even if the people engaged in those efforts are well intentioned. I believe that the primary system in "systemic racism" is the system of capitalism itself, because it provides economic incentives to behave in ways that ensure continued unequal racist outcomes. In a country like the US, 59% of white employees have working class type jobs, compared with 46% of Asians, 78% of hispanics, and 69% of blacks. (Asians do better than whites though, only 46% have working class jobs. Source: https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/2018/home.htm) So, the blindspot towards class and economics means that pre-existing between populations is intensified, and the fact that the working class as a whole has gotten significantly poorer. Now, this actually matters a lot in the context of cultural production, because we have entered into a time period where it is very hard for talented working people to have the time and energy to be able to produce cultural products. At the same time, dance music is losing touch with its working class roots, as extremely wealthy elites continue to exercise greater power within the scene. According to Ed Gillett writing on the site The Quietus ( https://thequietus.com/articles/28302-housekeeping-faces-review): As profits and audiences for electronic music have ballooned over the last > decade, its infrastructure has increasingly been annexed by large > entertainment conglomerates, our language shifting almost imperceptibly > from vaguely egalitarian talk of ‘club culture’ to the creepily neoliberal > ‘night-time economy’ in the process. Everything from inflated artists’ fees > to soaring rents and council cuts have served to squeeze out grassroots > promoters and decimate small-scale venues in the UK over the last ten > years; an increasingly professionalised, competitive and hostile > marketplace has centralised around UK powerhouses like the Columbo Group > and global behemoths like Live Nation, AEG and (until recently) Red Bull. > > But the same process is arguably reflected on an individual level too: as > barriers to entry have risen, people from backgrounds of notable wealth and > privilege have taken increasingly visible ownership of ostensibly > countercultural platforms (with that context rarely noted in public > discussions of their creative output). My own perspective on this is that the only way to counter this is to BUILD A NEW UNDERGROUND from the bottom up, a new grassroots that exists as an alternative to the mainstream electronic music industry. Gillett seems to suggest something along the same lines as what I've been contemplating: One phrase that’s popped up in recent months is “interdependent” music, > usually in opposition to debased notions of “independent.” We’ve all ended > up as atomised cultural producers, this line of thinking goes, answerable > only to ourselves: now our creative freedom is secured, what matters is > building new networks of solidarity and mutual support. Co-operative > ownership of platforms, local DIY support networks insulated from the > rapaciousness of global capital or online content churn, and collective > resistance to the sinister intentions of the streaming industry could each > offer us a chance to sidestep the ongoing centralisation of power, and > mitigate the outsized influence of private wealth and privilege. Anyway, I'm sure some will strongly disagre
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
David, Actually electronic music industry trade organizations like AFEM <https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/> are tackling issues like diversity and inclusivity from the inside, but from my experience issues like this are a tough slog to get festival organizers, promoters, and even hiring managers at labels, distributor, and other industry employers to truly commit to bring on BIPOC, LGBTQIA+ and women artists and executive / staff roles. It's very much a white, largely straight old boys network. I acknowledge that these are for-profit businesses who have shareholders, investors, and sponsors to answer to, but it's got to start *somewhere.* Peter On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:10 AM David A. Powers wrote: > Those are good points, I don't really have much perspective on what the > broader American scene is, having lived in Kalamazoo/Detroit/Chicago over > the years, the majority of events that I have attended do feature a lot of > black DJ's, and the three headliners I personally booked as a promoter were > Omar-S, DJ Qu, and Rick Wade, so as far as that I'm trying to be part of > the solution. If I ever throw a party in Austin TX before I move, and have > cash for a headliner, I'm gonna bring in someone I know from Detroit, like > Mike Clark, Alton Miller, or Norm Talley. > But as someone committed to growing the techno ecosystem and trying to > create more opportunities for musicians and artists, and making sure a > diverse range of people are included, I actually think that this topic is > worth exploring. > Techno is a DIY scene and that means any of us have the power to > participate and at least attempt to implement that vision, and so it's > worth having serious good faith discussions about the best ways to do that, > because it's not just a topdown corporate thing, and the choices I and > others make can potentially make real differences in small ways to the > trajectory of where things are going, whereas the question of who gets > featured in industry publications, or gets the best gigs is a realm that is > totally outside my control. > If I have the cash, though, I can throw an event, so in that sense looking > at questions of audience diversity is not just a theoretical question. I > could potentially do a good job or a shitty job with that depending on my > vision and choices, so I think it's worth reflecting on. If I did it here I > would definitely partner with some nonwhite friends to collaborate on > the event so that it wouldn't just be one white guy's personal vision. I > DEFINITELY would not want to go to a party full of people just like > me---ugh!!! ;-0 > Of course, individuals cannot fix systemic problems by making personally > virtuous choices. On the diversity in hiring as it pertains to nonwhite > DJ's, ultimately, I believe that DJ's themselves need to organize and solve > the problem together, collectively. Call me crazy, but I think there should > be a "techno trade union" that engages in collective bargaining to ensure > more fair outcomes for all everyone involved. I think it should be racially > integrated, but work to clearly and systemically address industry racism > and when necessary should privilege nonwhite artists, in ways that > ultimately lead to better outcomes for everyone. (ALSO--while I'm at it: > the existing US musician's union should actually help working musicians, so > that skilled musicians have enough work and the average musician income is > more than $20,000 a year.) > > ~David > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> The thing about solving problems is that you do what you can do. >> Projects like House of Altr do what they can: showcase and promote black >> artists. >> >> Techno - and the wider world of dance music - originates in the music of >> Black americans. What black audiences listen to is a separate matter. They >> may be more likely to connect with techno if they see people that look like >> them up on stage. >> >> Labels and promoters CAN address the problem black erasure in dance >> music. It's more an issue in Europe than the US, since in the US dance >> music is less of a commercial phenomenon, but even here, white artists >> crowd out Black music. >> >> You are right that when DEMF was free, it re-introduced techno to Black >> Detroiters. I think Paxahau is doing a decent job, but the fact that the >> festival is now an expensive ticket excludes a large audience who are >> economically distressed. With the $200+ ticket price for the weekend, it's >> absurd to think that the festival is even for the Black citizens of Detroit >> any more. >> >> And not to put too fine a point on it, the subscribers t
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
Those are good points, I don't really have much perspective on what the broader American scene is, having lived in Kalamazoo/Detroit/Chicago over the years, the majority of events that I have attended do feature a lot of black DJ's, and the three headliners I personally booked as a promoter were Omar-S, DJ Qu, and Rick Wade, so as far as that I'm trying to be part of the solution. If I ever throw a party in Austin TX before I move, and have cash for a headliner, I'm gonna bring in someone I know from Detroit, like Mike Clark, Alton Miller, or Norm Talley. But as someone committed to growing the techno ecosystem and trying to create more opportunities for musicians and artists, and making sure a diverse range of people are included, I actually think that this topic is worth exploring. Techno is a DIY scene and that means any of us have the power to participate and at least attempt to implement that vision, and so it's worth having serious good faith discussions about the best ways to do that, because it's not just a topdown corporate thing, and the choices I and others make can potentially make real differences in small ways to the trajectory of where things are going, whereas the question of who gets featured in industry publications, or gets the best gigs is a realm that is totally outside my control. If I have the cash, though, I can throw an event, so in that sense looking at questions of audience diversity is not just a theoretical question. I could potentially do a good job or a shitty job with that depending on my vision and choices, so I think it's worth reflecting on. If I did it here I would definitely partner with some nonwhite friends to collaborate on the event so that it wouldn't just be one white guy's personal vision. I DEFINITELY would not want to go to a party full of people just like me---ugh!!! ;-0 Of course, individuals cannot fix systemic problems by making personally virtuous choices. On the diversity in hiring as it pertains to nonwhite DJ's, ultimately, I believe that DJ's themselves need to organize and solve the problem together, collectively. Call me crazy, but I think there should be a "techno trade union" that engages in collective bargaining to ensure more fair outcomes for all everyone involved. I think it should be racially integrated, but work to clearly and systemically address industry racism and when necessary should privilege nonwhite artists, in ways that ultimately lead to better outcomes for everyone. (ALSO--while I'm at it: the existing US musician's union should actually help working musicians, so that skilled musicians have enough work and the average musician income is more than $20,000 a year.) ~David On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM kent williams wrote: > The thing about solving problems is that you do what you can do. Projects > like House of Altr do what they can: showcase and promote black artists. > > Techno - and the wider world of dance music - originates in the music of > Black americans. What black audiences listen to is a separate matter. They > may be more likely to connect with techno if they see people that look like > them up on stage. > > Labels and promoters CAN address the problem black erasure in dance > music. It's more an issue in Europe than the US, since in the US dance > music is less of a commercial phenomenon, but even here, white artists > crowd out Black music. > > You are right that when DEMF was free, it re-introduced techno to Black > Detroiters. I think Paxahau is doing a decent job, but the fact that the > festival is now an expensive ticket excludes a large audience who are > economically distressed. With the $200+ ticket price for the weekend, it's > absurd to think that the festival is even for the Black citizens of Detroit > any more. > > And not to put too fine a point on it, the subscribers to this list are > overwhelming middle class white people. At this point this is not a place > to go to get a Black perspective on anything. Is this list still worthwhile > and relevant? > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM David A. Powers wrote: > >> Still, the idea that you can fix the problem of diversity on the >> producer/performer side, without increasing the diversity of the audience >> itself, seems super sketchy to me. >> >
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
Definitely need promoters putting more Black as well as female and LBGT artists on bills. Can't remember the name of the most recent European festival cited, but some artists who perform at other festivals had a thread on Facebook about certain European festivals booking the same lineup--and the majority were white and male--over again year in and year out. Even when doing things in these virtual times for streaming, no excuse for lineups made up primarily of predominantly white and male artists. I was happy to be introduced to a new artist--The AM--over Movement weekend. She plays excellent electro mostly Detroit and need to see her booked outside of Michigan. http://andrewdukeinthemix.com On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:22 PM kent williams wrote: > The thing about solving problems is that you do what you can do. Projects > like House of Altr do what they can: showcase and promote black artists. > > Techno - and the wider world of dance music - originates in the music of > Black americans. What black audiences listen to is a separate matter. They > may be more likely to connect with techno if they see people that look like > them up on stage. > > Labels and promoters CAN address the problem black erasure in dance > music. It's more an issue in Europe than the US, since in the US dance > music is less of a commercial phenomenon, but even here, white artists > crowd out Black music. > > You are right that when DEMF was free, it re-introduced techno to Black > Detroiters. I think Paxahau is doing a decent job, but the fact that the > festival is now an expensive ticket excludes a large audience who are > economically distressed. With the $200+ ticket price for the weekend, it's > absurd to think that the festival is even for the Black citizens of Detroit > any more. > > And not to put too fine a point on it, the subscribers to this list are > overwhelming middle class white people. At this point this is not a place > to go to get a Black perspective on anything. Is this list still worthwhile > and relevant? > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM David A. Powers wrote: > >> Still, the idea that you can fix the problem of diversity on the >> producer/performer side, without increasing the diversity of the audience >> itself, seems super sketchy to me. >> >
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
The thing about solving problems is that you do what you can do. Projects like House of Altr do what they can: showcase and promote black artists. Techno - and the wider world of dance music - originates in the music of Black americans. What black audiences listen to is a separate matter. They may be more likely to connect with techno if they see people that look like them up on stage. Labels and promoters CAN address the problem black erasure in dance music. It's more an issue in Europe than the US, since in the US dance music is less of a commercial phenomenon, but even here, white artists crowd out Black music. You are right that when DEMF was free, it re-introduced techno to Black Detroiters. I think Paxahau is doing a decent job, but the fact that the festival is now an expensive ticket excludes a large audience who are economically distressed. With the $200+ ticket price for the weekend, it's absurd to think that the festival is even for the Black citizens of Detroit any more. And not to put too fine a point on it, the subscribers to this list are overwhelming middle class white people. At this point this is not a place to go to get a Black perspective on anything. Is this list still worthwhile and relevant? On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM David A. Powers wrote: > Still, the idea that you can fix the problem of diversity on the > producer/performer side, without increasing the diversity of the audience > itself, seems super sketchy to me. >
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
You are correct of course, I noticed it just after I posted my first reply. Still, the idea that you can fix the problem of diversity on the producer/performer side, without increasing the diversity of the audience itself, seems super sketchy to me. It's not just the WaPo article, I noticed that Kevin Saunderson seemed to be saying something similar, expecting profit driven capitalist mega festivals to prioritize diversity of artists over demographic reality and profit. Those giant festivals do not exist for some kind of noble cultural purpose, they exist to make as much money as possible for investors, so what Kevin is asking for is unrealistic. Ironically, the same Saunderson interview points to a more reasonable solution, which is for black artists themselves to be involved in producing the kinds of festivals they want to see, in order to have some say over the line ups, and also create line ups that could bring in a more diverse audience from the broader community, as they did by bringing in some hiphop artists to the Detroit fest. ~David On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:50 AM kent williams wrote: > MOMA Ready is an artist alias, and has nothing to do with the Museum of > Modern Art. > > >> If the audience for techno became more diverse, I think it's reasonable > to assume that it would > >> organically increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to > participate > >> in making this type of music. > > This article - and the impetus behind projects like this - is to center > black artists. The diversity of the audience is a different question. > People will listen to what speaks to their condition. Representation > matters. > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:40 AM David A. Powers wrote: > >> First of all, I'm sure the artists on here are making cool music. Will >> listen later. >> >> But, this article and all similar articles are so out of touch and >> elitist it's ridiculous. Let me lay it out very simply >> 1. Very few black communities in the US have embraced techno, it is not >> commonly perceived in the US as being a part of black culture by either >> blacks or whites. >> 2. We live in a class society that weaponizes racism, so that if you are >> black, you are less likely to be wealthy than if you are white. >> 3. This article focuses on an event produced by the MUSEUM OF MODERN ART; >> which due to the demographic reality listed above, is probably not >> something that is in any way accessible or interesting to black working >> class people (or any working class people). Honestly most MOMA shit sucks >> and ordinary people can see that better than many of our wealthy elite who >> have been brainwashed by years of conceptual art bullshit. >> 4. If you actually want to make techno more diverse, it has to begin with >> presenting the music in ways that ordinary folks can relate to and access >> and enjoy. A great example of what I mean is the Underground Resistance >> cabaret parties that they threw in Detroit. That's what bringing techno to >> ordinary folks looks like; another example is the original DEMF when it was >> free and tons of families were dancing with ravers. Techno should be for >> everyone, not just for the elites who read WaPo and go to MOMA events! >> 5. Basically, my point is this: If the audience for techno became more >> diverse, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would organically >> increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to participate in >> making this type of music. >> >> *To be clear, I am personally very glad that Jeff Mills has done stuff >> with museums and orchestras, and I don't have a problem with techno events >> in museums per se, but to think that this has anything to do with >> addressing some kind of racial disparity within the techno scene itself is >> ludicrous. >> >> ~David >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM kent williams >> wrote: >> >>> Speaking as an "elderly white man from Iowa" - as a certain erstwhile >>> list member's described me - this is important. >>> >>> Centering black music producers isn't some sort of undeserved >>> 'affirmative action.' It brings to the front artists who make essential, >>> lively, emotionally honest music. If we wait for the 'meritocracy' of the >>> dance music industry, they won't be heard. >>> >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-new-generation-of-black-artists-are-reclaiming-the-roots-of-techno-music/2020/07/08/68c8edb2-c11c-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html >>> >>> >>> The compilation mentioned at the top is fantastic. >>> https://hausofaltr.bandcamp.com/album/hoa010 >>> >>> As is the Physically Sick compilation, which has artists in common >>> with HOA010. >>> https://physicallysick3.bandcamp.com/album/physically-sick-3 >>> >>
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
Ok, I AM AN IDIOT! In case you needed confirmation... ;-) I thought "MoMa Ready" was a Museum of Modern Art event I guess it's a weird artist name... Nevertheless, my bigger point stands: we need to increase the audience of ordinary working people who like techno, that will organically improve diversity due to the demographic situation in the US. ~David On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:40 AM David A. Powers wrote: > First of all, I'm sure the artists on here are making cool music. Will > listen later. > > But, this article and all similar articles are so out of touch and elitist > it's ridiculous. Let me lay it out very simply > 1. Very few black communities in the US have embraced techno, it is not > commonly perceived in the US as being a part of black culture by either > blacks or whites. > 2. We live in a class society that weaponizes racism, so that if you are > black, you are less likely to be wealthy than if you are white. > 3. This article focuses on an event produced by the MUSEUM OF MODERN ART; > which due to the demographic reality listed above, is probably not > something that is in any way accessible or interesting to black working > class people (or any working class people). Honestly most MOMA shit sucks > and ordinary people can see that better than many of our wealthy elite who > have been brainwashed by years of conceptual art bullshit. > 4. If you actually want to make techno more diverse, it has to begin with > presenting the music in ways that ordinary folks can relate to and access > and enjoy. A great example of what I mean is the Underground Resistance > cabaret parties that they threw in Detroit. That's what bringing techno to > ordinary folks looks like; another example is the original DEMF when it was > free and tons of families were dancing with ravers. Techno should be for > everyone, not just for the elites who read WaPo and go to MOMA events! > 5. Basically, my point is this: If the audience for techno became more > diverse, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would organically > increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to participate in > making this type of music. > > *To be clear, I am personally very glad that Jeff Mills has done stuff > with museums and orchestras, and I don't have a problem with techno events > in museums per se, but to think that this has anything to do with > addressing some kind of racial disparity within the techno scene itself is > ludicrous. > > ~David > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> Speaking as an "elderly white man from Iowa" - as a certain erstwhile >> list member's described me - this is important. >> >> Centering black music producers isn't some sort of undeserved >> 'affirmative action.' It brings to the front artists who make essential, >> lively, emotionally honest music. If we wait for the 'meritocracy' of the >> dance music industry, they won't be heard. >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-new-generation-of-black-artists-are-reclaiming-the-roots-of-techno-music/2020/07/08/68c8edb2-c11c-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html >> >> >> The compilation mentioned at the top is fantastic. >> https://hausofaltr.bandcamp.com/album/hoa010 >> >> As is the Physically Sick compilation, which has artists in common >> with HOA010. >> https://physicallysick3.bandcamp.com/album/physically-sick-3 >> >
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
MOMA Ready is an artist alias, and has nothing to do with the Museum of Modern Art. >> If the audience for techno became more diverse, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would >> organically increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to participate >> in making this type of music. This article - and the impetus behind projects like this - is to center black artists. The diversity of the audience is a different question. People will listen to what speaks to their condition. Representation matters. On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:40 AM David A. Powers wrote: > First of all, I'm sure the artists on here are making cool music. Will > listen later. > > But, this article and all similar articles are so out of touch and elitist > it's ridiculous. Let me lay it out very simply > 1. Very few black communities in the US have embraced techno, it is not > commonly perceived in the US as being a part of black culture by either > blacks or whites. > 2. We live in a class society that weaponizes racism, so that if you are > black, you are less likely to be wealthy than if you are white. > 3. This article focuses on an event produced by the MUSEUM OF MODERN ART; > which due to the demographic reality listed above, is probably not > something that is in any way accessible or interesting to black working > class people (or any working class people). Honestly most MOMA shit sucks > and ordinary people can see that better than many of our wealthy elite who > have been brainwashed by years of conceptual art bullshit. > 4. If you actually want to make techno more diverse, it has to begin with > presenting the music in ways that ordinary folks can relate to and access > and enjoy. A great example of what I mean is the Underground Resistance > cabaret parties that they threw in Detroit. That's what bringing techno to > ordinary folks looks like; another example is the original DEMF when it was > free and tons of families were dancing with ravers. Techno should be for > everyone, not just for the elites who read WaPo and go to MOMA events! > 5. Basically, my point is this: If the audience for techno became more > diverse, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would organically > increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to participate in > making this type of music. > > *To be clear, I am personally very glad that Jeff Mills has done stuff > with museums and orchestras, and I don't have a problem with techno events > in museums per se, but to think that this has anything to do with > addressing some kind of racial disparity within the techno scene itself is > ludicrous. > > ~David > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> Speaking as an "elderly white man from Iowa" - as a certain erstwhile >> list member's described me - this is important. >> >> Centering black music producers isn't some sort of undeserved >> 'affirmative action.' It brings to the front artists who make essential, >> lively, emotionally honest music. If we wait for the 'meritocracy' of the >> dance music industry, they won't be heard. >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-new-generation-of-black-artists-are-reclaiming-the-roots-of-techno-music/2020/07/08/68c8edb2-c11c-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html >> >> >> The compilation mentioned at the top is fantastic. >> https://hausofaltr.bandcamp.com/album/hoa010 >> >> As is the Physically Sick compilation, which has artists in common >> with HOA010. >> https://physicallysick3.bandcamp.com/album/physically-sick-3 >> >
Re: WaPo article about blackness & techno
First of all, I'm sure the artists on here are making cool music. Will listen later. But, this article and all similar articles are so out of touch and elitist it's ridiculous. Let me lay it out very simply 1. Very few black communities in the US have embraced techno, it is not commonly perceived in the US as being a part of black culture by either blacks or whites. 2. We live in a class society that weaponizes racism, so that if you are black, you are less likely to be wealthy than if you are white. 3. This article focuses on an event produced by the MUSEUM OF MODERN ART; which due to the demographic reality listed above, is probably not something that is in any way accessible or interesting to black working class people (or any working class people). Honestly most MOMA shit sucks and ordinary people can see that better than many of our wealthy elite who have been brainwashed by years of conceptual art bullshit. 4. If you actually want to make techno more diverse, it has to begin with presenting the music in ways that ordinary folks can relate to and access and enjoy. A great example of what I mean is the Underground Resistance cabaret parties that they threw in Detroit. That's what bringing techno to ordinary folks looks like; another example is the original DEMF when it was free and tons of families were dancing with ravers. Techno should be for everyone, not just for the elites who read WaPo and go to MOMA events! 5. Basically, my point is this: If the audience for techno became more diverse, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would organically increase the diversity of DJ's and producers who decide to participate in making this type of music. *To be clear, I am personally very glad that Jeff Mills has done stuff with museums and orchestras, and I don't have a problem with techno events in museums per se, but to think that this has anything to do with addressing some kind of racial disparity within the techno scene itself is ludicrous. ~David On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM kent williams wrote: > Speaking as an "elderly white man from Iowa" - as a certain erstwhile list > member's described me - this is important. > > Centering black music producers isn't some sort of undeserved 'affirmative > action.' It brings to the front artists who make essential, lively, > emotionally honest music. If we wait for the 'meritocracy' of the dance > music industry, they won't be heard. > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-new-generation-of-black-artists-are-reclaiming-the-roots-of-techno-music/2020/07/08/68c8edb2-c11c-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html > > > The compilation mentioned at the top is fantastic. > https://hausofaltr.bandcamp.com/album/hoa010 > > As is the Physically Sick compilation, which has artists in common > with HOA010. > https://physicallysick3.bandcamp.com/album/physically-sick-3 >
WaPo article about blackness & techno
Speaking as an "elderly white man from Iowa" - as a certain erstwhile list member's described me - this is important. Centering black music producers isn't some sort of undeserved 'affirmative action.' It brings to the front artists who make essential, lively, emotionally honest music. If we wait for the 'meritocracy' of the dance music industry, they won't be heard. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-new-generation-of-black-artists-are-reclaiming-the-roots-of-techno-music/2020/07/08/68c8edb2-c11c-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html The compilation mentioned at the top is fantastic. https://hausofaltr.bandcamp.com/album/hoa010 As is the Physically Sick compilation, which has artists in common with HOA010. https://physicallysick3.bandcamp.com/album/physically-sick-3
Re: (313) Britney Spears techno? Not techno?
Seriously? And what's up with all the testosterone on this list. I mean Britney Spears is more techno than this. As I say Denise, you personally - chauffeured round London anytime. Dem young sconies. C On 2020-07-01 02:43, Denise Dalphond wrote: It is nice. I didn’t send out the friend requests. All those people found me. Many of them studied at Oxford University. I don’t know what that’s about, although I am published through Oxford University Press. About Detroit techno. R U trying 2 say it’s very techno of me that I have all those friends? I’m not really inviting you, Mario, 2 “connect.” I don’t hang out with ppl that is into rape culture. It’s to anyone on this list who wants to read my shit. How many ppl R on this list? More than a thousand? Maybe. That’s a lot of ppl that may be into what I write. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:35 PM Mario De Block wrote: that's an amazing, even interstellar increase in fb 'friends' you have, recently, as far as I know... Can one buy friends, on a way to 'global fame'? Anyway: why should I connect/follow up so closely on someone who's blocked me mailwise? I'm not cynical or lacking enough self-respect for that, I think. I'm open for wise, healthy contacts that feel safe and warm enough, and are mutually learnful and stimulating, personally. Yet, I do browse sometimes. One may find interesting stuff some time. The visit on Twitter was learnful on how you look upon the 313 list and many of its members. I don't feel included in all that. M. - VAN: Denise Dalphond VERZONDEN: woensdag 1 juli 2020 3:20 AAN: Mario De Block ; 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> ONDERWERP: Re: What this list is and isn't about Here's my IG: https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't miss out on anything if we can't be friends. I try to be a public educator on the internet. DENISE DALPHOND, PH.D. ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST SCHOOLCRAFTWAX.WORK On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block wrote: don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself having blocked me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second mail. I didn't invite you on talking about rape culture. I only indicated it was an unjust suggestive point you tried to make. By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for instance: the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive. the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is the name of the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the whitesplainers full tilt, you're villainous. techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever. the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell you who to listen to and who to like and what to think about it. on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams, the elderly white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what it used 2B. it's been dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow of its own death. I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively) supported by its members, instead of openly accused of such behaviour, right? What do the other members think of this? I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively or at least neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due as long as anyone doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome here. Of whatever nationality, age, being a he/she/they, and with any possible skin colour or religion. As long as the love for Detroit and its culture is a structural link. And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be able (or brave enough) to be confronted with that, get into a righteous exchange, and take any eventual apt message, to get straight with facts and people. They should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such interaction should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking and conclusion, based on healthy exchange - with anyone being free of personal conclusion, but not free of interpersonal respect. Unless anything bad will take over and gets installed. A forum only exists by grace of anyone's constructive behaviour. This, at least, is my way of looking upon this. Mario - VAN: Denise Dalphond VERZONDEN: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37 AAN: Mario De Block CC: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> ONDERWERP: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell your friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need to be able to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m thankful for social networks. Read on. -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work [1] Links: -- [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Looks like part of the confusion is just the website's design, to me! The "library" seems to be more of a general collection of techno history (with some Black perspectives, some not), but "writings from a [B]lack perspective" appears at the top of every page since it's the site name? (The "blog" seems to be much more about Black perspectives than just the list of techno-centric writing, IMO) On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and > documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this > library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library >
AW: Serious Discussion--SciFi and AfroFuturism in techno
Hey David, not sure if it cuts your bill, but I keep exploring sci-fi every now and then. https://soundcloud.com/ronnypries/ngc-4889 https://soundcloud.com/ronnypries/ai48 Oddly enough, I’ve got the Impression that the Lo-Fi Deephouse youngsters are also moving on in interesting ways. This YT channel features a lot of damn good music I never heard of. Including some damn solid futurist elektro tracks: https://www.youtube.com/c/EELFmusic/videos Cheers Ronny Von: David A. Powers Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 19:54 An: 313 Betreff: Serious Discussion--SciFi and AfroFuturism in techno Can we have a serious discussion about the direction of the music? One thing I've noticed over the years is that it appears that many of the SciFi and AfroFuturist themes that I associate with Detroit techno have gradually disappeared from the music over the years. Why do you think this is? Has the meaning of techno changed in some ways? Is this a response to the fact that we are living in dystopian times and people have given up on the future? (If I'm wrong PLEASE tell me where I can find recent music along these lines, because I love it.) ~David
Re: Serious Discussion--SciFi and AfroFuturism in techno
Perhaps it is about time for a comic book phase? There used to be an old flash site from Detroit, real cool story. Alternatively what happened to that M600 car flash from the late 2000s? Easy bro, still checking for those electro mixes. Psilon Alpha C On 2020-06-26 18:54, David A. Powers wrote: Can we have a serious discussion about the direction of the music? One thing I've noticed over the years is that it appears that many of the SciFi and AfroFuturist themes that I associate with Detroit techno have gradually disappeared from the music over the years. Why do you think this is? Has the meaning of techno changed in some ways? Is this a response to the fact that we are living in dystopian times and people have given up on the future? (If I'm wrong PLEASE tell me where I can find recent music along these lines, because I love it.) ~David
Serious Discussion--SciFi and AfroFuturism in techno
Can we have a serious discussion about the direction of the music? One thing I've noticed over the years is that it appears that many of the SciFi and AfroFuturist themes that I associate with Detroit techno have gradually disappeared from the music over the years. Why do you think this is? Has the meaning of techno changed in some ways? Is this a response to the fact that we are living in dystopian times and people have given up on the future? (If I'm wrong PLEASE tell me where I can find recent music along these lines, because I love it.) ~David
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
From the discussions that we had in 95 to now. We’ve come a long way in many respects and gone backwards in so many others. I’ve got my own children to tend to. Thanks, I’m out. Unsubscribe. R1. BENN GLAZIER b...@bennglazier.com (mailto:b...@bennglazier.com) / BENNGLAZIER.COM (http://bennglazier.com/) / @BENNGLAZIER (http://www.twitter.com/bennglazier) / +44 (0) 7714 300018 > > On Jun 26, 2020 at 6:47 pm, (mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > > where we are right here. > > > > > > > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net > > (mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net)> wrote: > > > > > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > > > basis of being a female black academic. > > > > > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > > > > > $0.02 > > > > > > B-) > > > > > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > > > You said it well. > > > > > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention.I've made myself clear in > > > the > > > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > > > posting that on-list. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > (mailto:the...@gmail.com)> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > > > >> when I can. > > > >> > > > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > > > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > > > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > > > >> some we're not. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > > > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > > > >> one of a noble and humble nature.Most people don't have the time > > > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > > > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > > > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > > > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > > > >> > > > >> That said, I LOVEDr. Denise, and you all should know that she > > > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > > > >> her life's work.If many had as much passion and persistence to > > > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > > > >> > > > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.It's > > > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > > > >> things I don't like.I've recently done an interview with Peter > > > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > > > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > > > >> > > > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > > > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > > > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.We > > > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > > > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > > > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > > > >> share are in some way not. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to say
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
You know what? Same here. I know announcing your departure is wack but in my case I wanted to since I’ve been pretty combative towards her majesty. So in case folks here don’t like me or my replies, wanted to let them know I won’t be around any more to interrupt your experience. Have fun with the list On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rob Taylor wrote: > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond > wrote: > >> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know >> where we are right here. >> >> Denise >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >>> basis of being a female black academic. >>> >>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >>> >>> $0.02 >>> >>> B-) >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >>> > You said it well. >>> > >>> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >>> > posting that on-list. >>> > >>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >>> > directly, I'll read and respond. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >>> >> when I can. >>> >> >>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >>> >> some we're not. >>> >> >>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >>> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >>> >> >>> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >>> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >>> >> >>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >>> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >>> >> >>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >>> >> share are in some way not. >>> >> >>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >>> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >>> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >>> >> can also learn from each other. >>> >> >>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >>> >> >>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >>> &
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > where we are right here. > > Denise > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >> basis of being a female black academic. >> >> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >> >> $0.02 >> >> B-) >> >> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >> > You said it well. >> > >> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >> > posting that on-list. >> > >> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >> > directly, I'll read and respond. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >> >> when I can. >> >> >> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >> >> some we're not. >> >> >> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >> >> >> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >> >> >> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >> >> >> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >> >> share are in some way not. >> >> >> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >> >> can also learn from each other. >> >> >> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >&
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know where we are right here. Denise On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > >> > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholar
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
The Associated Press now capitalizes the B in Black, so proper grammar would be Black female scholar. However, I’m white. I’m more welcome here because I’m smarter and prettier. Denise Dalphond On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on t
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the basis of being a female black academic. Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. $0.02 B-) On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list. I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I can. For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can be messy. DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from each other. I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: Allgxxd I hear you essay Cheers On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: DANIEL BEAN Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And wh
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Yo I am into this thread, I was excited to find out about this forthcoming text from DeForrest Brown, Jr. just today: https://primaryinformation.org/product/assembling-a-black-counter-culture/ If you feel like reading something now here is a deep cut on the impact of COVID-19 on the music industry and more. A warning to anti-academic list members, this is that: https://blog.usejournal.com/manufacturing-normalcy-7633259f63b5 Does anyone on the list have any idea why the republication of Kodwo Eshun's 'More Brilliant Than the Sun' seems to have been pushed back indefinitely? Yeah that Ash Lauryn article deserves all the props. I really need to read more of her writing. Peace, Reuben On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 16:49, David A. Powers wrote: > Okay, I was going to keep my mouth shout, but if the list is going to > tackle this topic, then I really think it's time to get real and move past > BS symbolic politics to look at the real systemic reasons why racist > outcomes persist in the United States. > > In the United States, we have just undergone 40 of neoliberal austerity > which has been imposed on the poor and working class. Unions have been > destroyed, while safety nets that provided access to housing, healthcare, > and education for the poor have been dismantled in a systemic fashion. This > has been a period in which extremely wealthy elites have amassed insane > amounts of wealth, while working folks have consistently been impoverished. > Deindustrialization has eliminated most of the good paying jobs from the > Rust Belt. And in Detroit, musicians have suffered the dual blow of Motown > leaving, and the music industry itself collapsing, making it very difficult > for skilled working musicians to find enough work to live on. > > Of course, because of the racist colonial history of the United States, > and espeically the legacy of racist chattel slavery, historically exploited > minority communities have been disproportionately impacted and impoverished > by neoliberal austerity. Furthermore, many elite capitalists have continued > the tradition of weaponizing and encouraging white racism and prejudice > against minorities, for the purpose of dividing the working class along > race lines. This is mostly done not for ideological reasons, but for the > simple reason that it keeps wages low and profits up. Transferring jobs to > countries where it is easier to exploit workers, and then stoking fears > about immigrants, servers a similar purpose. Expanding (racist) > incarceration and exploiting prison labor also plays a role in this. > > My point is this: creating complex musical works, and writing > sophisticated books, are cultural activities that very few poor and working > class people can afford to engage in. The nurses taking care of me at > Detroit Receiving Hospital after I got a head injury from a car accident, > or the people serving me coffee at a gas station or diner, do not have the > privilege and luxury of writing books on techno. And on top of that, a lot > of black folks simply aren't very interested in techno; they prefer other > kinds of music. The biggest audience for this music is in Europe, and the > audience is mostly white. > > So if you want a world where there are more black musicians, artists, and > writers can do their thing, you have to recognize that this can only happen > on the basis of providing for people's basic material needs, and > recognizing their basic human rights: the right to not be murdered or > unjustly harassed and imprisoned by the police, as well as the right to > housing, food, education, healthcare, and a decent paying job. While it's > certainly important to be aware of implicit racism and obstacles that black > DJ's or writers might face compared to white peers, and to fight against > all expressions of racism, it's INSANE to be primarily fixated only on > cultural questions such as the number of black DJ's, when black folks are > being killed by COVID-19 at a far higher rate than whites, and when 40% of > people in the US making under $40,000 a year have lost their jobs. > > You can't demand cultural change without ALSO demanding that we change the > material basis that culture rests on! It's completely hypocritical. People > need housing and food before they can write books. Even Jesus fed people > before he preached to them. And don't forget--the Black Panthers, MLK Jr, > and Malcom X before his death were all talking about the connection between > racism and capitalism. For having the audacity to combine antiracist > struggle with the struggle for basic human rights and economic justice, *they > were murdered*. > > Of course, I'm just a random white dude who has been homeless and had to > drop out of college to work because I couldn't afford it; however, you > do
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Okay, I was going to keep my mouth shout, but if the list is going to tackle this topic, then I really think it's time to get real and move past BS symbolic politics to look at the real systemic reasons why racist outcomes persist in the United States. In the United States, we have just undergone 40 of neoliberal austerity which has been imposed on the poor and working class. Unions have been destroyed, while safety nets that provided access to housing, healthcare, and education for the poor have been dismantled in a systemic fashion. This has been a period in which extremely wealthy elites have amassed insane amounts of wealth, while working folks have consistently been impoverished. Deindustrialization has eliminated most of the good paying jobs from the Rust Belt. And in Detroit, musicians have suffered the dual blow of Motown leaving, and the music industry itself collapsing, making it very difficult for skilled working musicians to find enough work to live on. Of course, because of the racist colonial history of the United States, and espeically the legacy of racist chattel slavery, historically exploited minority communities have been disproportionately impacted and impoverished by neoliberal austerity. Furthermore, many elite capitalists have continued the tradition of weaponizing and encouraging white racism and prejudice against minorities, for the purpose of dividing the working class along race lines. This is mostly done not for ideological reasons, but for the simple reason that it keeps wages low and profits up. Transferring jobs to countries where it is easier to exploit workers, and then stoking fears about immigrants, servers a similar purpose. Expanding (racist) incarceration and exploiting prison labor also plays a role in this. My point is this: creating complex musical works, and writing sophisticated books, are cultural activities that very few poor and working class people can afford to engage in. The nurses taking care of me at Detroit Receiving Hospital after I got a head injury from a car accident, or the people serving me coffee at a gas station or diner, do not have the privilege and luxury of writing books on techno. And on top of that, a lot of black folks simply aren't very interested in techno; they prefer other kinds of music. The biggest audience for this music is in Europe, and the audience is mostly white. So if you want a world where there are more black musicians, artists, and writers can do their thing, you have to recognize that this can only happen on the basis of providing for people's basic material needs, and recognizing their basic human rights: the right to not be murdered or unjustly harassed and imprisoned by the police, as well as the right to housing, food, education, healthcare, and a decent paying job. While it's certainly important to be aware of implicit racism and obstacles that black DJ's or writers might face compared to white peers, and to fight against all expressions of racism, it's INSANE to be primarily fixated only on cultural questions such as the number of black DJ's, when black folks are being killed by COVID-19 at a far higher rate than whites, and when 40% of people in the US making under $40,000 a year have lost their jobs. You can't demand cultural change without ALSO demanding that we change the material basis that culture rests on! It's completely hypocritical. People need housing and food before they can write books. Even Jesus fed people before he preached to them. And don't forget--the Black Panthers, MLK Jr, and Malcom X before his death were all talking about the connection between racism and capitalism. For having the audacity to combine antiracist struggle with the struggle for basic human rights and economic justice, *they were murdered*. Of course, I'm just a random white dude who has been homeless and had to drop out of college to work because I couldn't afford it; however, you don't have to take my word for it: *go read the work of great black intellectuals, such as Cornel West, Adolph Reed Jr, and Angela Davis*. Peace out, ~David Powers On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:27 AM kent williams wrote: > In that vein, here is an essay written by Ashleigh Lauryn, a Detroit DJ. > It has to do with the controversy about N*na Kr*viz posting pictures of > herself with cornrows, and Kr*viz tone-deaf reaction to criticism. > > But more than that it is a beautifully written essay. > https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/ >
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That’s the worst part about you. Your commitment to not admitting when/that you (God forbid) could have been wrong or handled something the wrong way: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3Famp On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:24 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read > this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. > > This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I > asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it. > That's it. Relax. > > > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for >> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black >> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned >> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of >> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that >> make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' >> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' >> uncomfortable. >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time >> with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular >> list members only see what's on the list. >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing >> with black music, and no one should. >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about >> you, not about the music or the people. >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Allgxxd >>> >>> I hear you essay >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> > >>> > -- Forwarded message - >>> > From: DANIEL BEAN >>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> > To: Denise Dalphond >>> > >>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >>> >> professionally. So, s. >>> >> >>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >>> >> >>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >>> >> >>> >> Denise Dalphond >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? >>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division >>> >> between people by this racebaiting. >>> >> >>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or >>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >>> >> life. >>> >> >>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >>> >&
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In that vein, here is an essay written by Ashleigh Lauryn, a Detroit DJ. It has to do with the controversy about N*na Kr*viz posting pictures of herself with cornrows, and Kr*viz tone-deaf reaction to criticism. But more than that it is a beautifully written essay. https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/
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Jesus wept. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 1:24 AM Denise Dalphond wrote: > I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read > this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. > > >>> >>>
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I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it. That's it. Relax. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: > On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for > the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black > artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without > making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned > anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of > its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that > make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' > uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' > uncomfortable. > > I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with > complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list > members only see what's on the list. > > No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing > with black music, and no one should. > > But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about > you, not about the music or the people. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd >> >> I hear you essay >> >> Cheers >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> > >> > -- Forwarded message - >> > From: DANIEL BEAN >> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> > To: Denise Dalphond >> > >> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >> professionally. So, s. >> >> >> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >> >> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >> >> >> >> Denise Dalphond >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? >> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division >> >> between people by this racebaiting. >> >> >> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or >> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >> >> life. >> >> >> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and >> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward >> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological >> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins >> >> of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do >> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult >> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dweller Electronics >> >> >> >> writings from a black perspective >> >> >> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have >> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more >> >> relevant work. >> >> >> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >> >> “Audio/Visual”. >> >> >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> > -- >> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> > ethnomusicologist >> > schoolcraftwax.work [1] >> > >> > Links: >> > -- >> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> >>
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I'm really looking forward to checking out those links from the first two emails. Thanks to Andrew and Denise for sharing. Are there any particular favourites from those who have got into them? Sjoerd it seems absolutely WILD to me that you can ostensibly say 'keep politics out of dance music' (I quote "The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music", "Social Justice Bandwagon"). You also speak about racism against white people because someone said "whitesplaining" - really, now, at a time LIKE THIS you're making that an issue?! You then sign out "Stay UR", pf. It looks a certain way. I feel somewhat uneasy that, on a Detroit Techno list, people are more willing to chip on Denise's tone. It would probably be better if people managed to find Denise's well meaning posts less offensive, or simply ignored them. There are certainly those who find offense way beyond measure. Then the flame war starts. Every time one of these arguments breaks out the blame is laid by many at her door, often unfairly. These arguments take up way too much space on the list. There is little good will between the main participants. Subscribers leave. I'm not really sure if I have much more to add, that's how it looks to me, and I would prefer if my minimal list contributions were not exclusively for the flame war. If it continues please can we maintain perspective: there are many more important things going on at the moment. Black Lives Matter, Reuben On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 00:07, John Sokolowski wrote: > >>>>>And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: > > Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. > > >>>>>... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? > > The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a > looong time. > > Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. > > W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus > is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! > Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
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>>>>>And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. >>>>>... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a looong time. Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
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@Denise no, i haven't read your work; your disseration is not why I signed up for this list. I just read and see how your occasional tantrums on this list are rarely about music and are mostly about what *you* did and your need to best anyone on every subject (a common occurence of people with a Ph. D.). You add drama in every conversation on here and frankly, I'm fucking done with this asinine bullshit behaviour. It's not why I'm on here; I want to read this and enjoy the contributions of people, either it being about techno or techno related stuff. @Holly did you really just hurl "whitesplaining" at me? Can I explain to you how that's racist, or would I be 'whitesplaining' again? Seriously though; Music is a language and the producers of Techno tell their story through that. If they'd, or anyone else, feel the need to write words on it, then they will. But they don't, because they just want to make the BOOM BOOM BOOM instead of all this YAP YAP YAP. For both Denise & Holly; if you want to discuss this further, let's take it to a private place. @Kent I don't like bringing this up, but this is THE mailinglist for Detroit Techno music, right? The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music was discussed and it bugs me because I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: *Sansibar - Meri * A producer from Finland who was born somewhere in Africa. Dreamy, lush pads and bleeps over a solid deep, driving bass and drum foundation. *Earth to Mickey - Brace & Bit * Hi-energy, funky italo-discoesque track with good synth work and some good vocals that come with it *The Advent - Vast* This is one of those space pod tracks, where you just feel like gliding and bobbing down the highway of some metallic futureland. Great connector track to continue unleashing the fury in your DJ set *Muzz - Bizarre Love Pentangle* Something I spotted while listening to SomaFM. A real nice blend of soul/jazz with a twist of electronics. Nice calming down in these strange, trying times. Stay UR and hopefully we'll meet on a dancefloor one day
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list. I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I > can. > > For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about > nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. > > Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of > a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern > life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive > necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people > are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone > academically-minded. > > That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps > that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's > work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all > probably do much more than we already do. > > Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me > years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't > like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some > opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can > be messy. > > DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to > understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation > for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, > those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to > be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more > relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. > > I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead > of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. > We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from > each other. > > I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for >> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black >> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned >> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of >> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that >> make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' >> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' >> uncomfortable. >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time >> with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular >> list members only see what's on the list. >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing >> with black music, and no one should. >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about >> you, not about the music or the people. >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Allgxxd >>> >>> I hear you essay >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> > >>> > -- Forwarded message - >>> > From: DANIEL BEAN >>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> > To: Denise Dalphond >>> > >>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> > >>
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I can. For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can be messy. DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from each other. I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: > On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for > the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black > artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without > making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned > anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of > its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that > make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' > uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' > uncomfortable. > > I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with > complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list > members only see what's on the list. > > No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing > with black music, and no one should. > > But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about > you, not about the music or the people. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd >> >> I hear you essay >> >> Cheers >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> > >> > -- Forwarded message - >> > From: DANIEL BEAN >> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> > To: Denise Dalphond >> > >> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >> professionally. So, s. >> >> >> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >> >>
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Allgxxd > > I hear you essay > > Cheers > > On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > From: DANIEL BEAN > > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > > To: Denise Dalphond > > > > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore > > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is > > ludicrous, especially at the moment. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond > > wrote: > > > >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did > >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of > >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. > >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her > >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it > >> professionally. So, s. > >> > >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is > >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > >> > >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > >> > >> Denise Dalphond > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd > >> wrote: > >> > >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? > >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common > >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division > >> between people by this racebaiting. > >> > >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or > >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the > >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of > >> life. > >> > >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the > >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and > >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward > >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological > >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins > >> of Techno in the Motorcity. > >> > >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > >> wrote: > >> > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do > >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult > >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > >> > >> Denise > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > >> wrote: > >> > >> Dweller Electronics > >> > >> writings from a black perspective > >> > >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, > >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have > >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more > >> relevant work. > >> > >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > >> “Audio/Visual”. > >> > >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library > > -- > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > > ethnomusicologist > > schoolcraftwax.work [1] > > > > Links: > > -- > > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work > >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Allgxxd I hear you essay Cheers On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: DANIEL BEAN Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? Denise Dalphond On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by this racebaiting. I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond wrote: A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ Denise On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: Dweller Electronics writings from a black perspective Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and “Audio/Visual”. https://dwellerforever.blog/library -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work [1] Links: -- [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: Daniel Bean Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you > know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black > music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her > life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I > get to help her update it professionally. So, s. > > Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is > changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > > And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > > > Denise Dalphond > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: > >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For >> the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the >> beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by >> this racebaiting. >> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White >> skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is >> T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. >> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of >> Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect >> them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I >> realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already >> written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> wrote: >> >>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they >>> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: >>> https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >>> >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke < >>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dweller Electronics >>>> >>>> writings from a black perspective >>>> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >>>> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >>>> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >>>> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >>>> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>>> >>>> -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work >
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? Denise Dalphond On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: > Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For > the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the > beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by > this racebaiting. > > I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White > skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is > T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. > > Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of > Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect > them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I > realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already > written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > wrote: > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they >> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: >> https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke < >> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dweller Electronics >>> >>> writings from a black perspective >>> >>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >>> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >>> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >>> >>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> >>> -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by this racebaiting. I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond wrote: > A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they > mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: > https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > > Denise > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > wrote: > >> Dweller Electronics >> >> writings from a black perspective >> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >> “Audio/Visual”. >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> >>
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ Denise On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews > and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into > this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library > >
Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Dweller Electronics writings from a black perspective Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and “Audio/Visual”. https://dwellerforever.blog/library
Techno links from a Black perspective
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Detroit Techno Doco from 1998
I don't think i've seen this one before, Detroit: The Blueprint of Techno https://youtu.be/SYSagw7v4dU - P
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
I have all those for sale 邏 On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:07 PM Edward Thompson wrote: > - Icon - D May > - The Final Frontier - UR > - At Les - Carl Craig > - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya > - from beyond - Carl Craig (elements) > > On Sat, 7 Mar. 2020, 4:33 am Patrick Wacher, wrote: > >> No particular order: >> - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds) >> - The Final Frontier - UR >> - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya >> - Neptune - Model 500 >> - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1) >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 >>> of my favorites are : >>> >>> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland >>> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle >>> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean >>> 4. Inner City- Good Life >>> 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo >>> >>> >>>
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
- Icon - D May - The Final Frontier - UR - At Les - Carl Craig - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya - from beyond - Carl Craig (elements) On Sat, 7 Mar. 2020, 4:33 am Patrick Wacher, wrote: > No particular order: > - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds) > - The Final Frontier - UR > - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya > - Neptune - Model 500 > - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1) > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 >> of my favorites are : >> >> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland >> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle >> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean >> 4. Inner City- Good Life >> 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo >> >> >>
Re: Techno books
Cheers Philip Op do 5 mrt. 2020 om 11:07 schreef Andrew Duke < andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com>: > Appreciated! > > On Thu., Mar. 5, 2020, 1:41 a.m. Philip McGarva, > wrote: > >> I scanned a bunch of magazine articles from back in the day. You can DL >> 'em from >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s8rlhBW6Gq3SR8vLh43kUSaxNXR1GzNT >> >> There's also good info in the sleeve notes of compilation albums >> including 'Techno 2' 'Beyond the Third Wave' '313 Detroit' 'Made in >> Detroit' 'Time: Space' etc >> >> Enjoy! >> > -- | soundcloud <http://soundcloud.com/w1b0> | mixcloud <http://mixcloud.com/w1b0> | twitter <http://twitter.com/w1b0> | --
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
Final Frontier is simply perfect. On Fri., Mar. 6, 2020, 12:33 p.m. Patrick Wacher, wrote: > No particular order: > - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds) > - The Final Frontier - UR > - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya > - Neptune - Model 500 > - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1) > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 >> of my favorites are : >> >> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland >> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle >> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean >> 4. Inner City- Good Life >> 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo >> >> >>
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
No particular order - quadrant on planet e - at les - icon - ladies and gentlemen (69) - nitwit (Carl Craig) On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:33 AM Patrick Wacher wrote: > No particular order: > - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds) > - The Final Frontier - UR > - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya > - Neptune - Model 500 > - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1) > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 >> of my favorites are : >> >> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland >> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle >> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean >> 4. Inner City- Good Life >> 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo >> >> >>
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
No particular order: - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds) - The Final Frontier - UR - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya - Neptune - Model 500 - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1) On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 > of my favorites are : > > 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland > 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle > 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean > 4. Inner City- Good Life > 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo > > >
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
ha, I was just wondering about this last week - !"way back" in 2001 "we" did an all time 313 top fives with 109 submissions - my first message bounced - as it was too ling, but I got all the top 5 done by a lot of familiar names :-)) I'll put it up somewhere was wondering if/how it would be different now 20 years later, if all would submit one again - === detroit fives | first results | 2001.07.31 | one hundred and nine top fives entered | five hundred and forty three songs counted songs top fifteen 18 - carl craig - at les (buzz/planet e) 15 - rhythim is rhythim - icon (buzz/transmat) 13 - 69 - desire (infonet/planet e) 12 - rhythim is rhythim - it is what it is (transmat) 12 - underground resistance - journey of the dragon (ur) 11 - model 500 - night drive (metroplex) 11 - model 500 - no ufo's (metroplex) 10 - underground resistance - hi tech jazz (ur) 09 - underground resistance - jupiter jazz (ur) 08 - r tyme - r theme (transmat) 07 - underground resistance - final frontier (ur) 07 - rhythim is rhythim - strings of life (transmat) 06 - infiniti - game one (metroplex) 06 - underground resistance - illuminator (ur) 06 - kenny larkin - tedra (warp) labels top fifteen 85 - underground resistance 80 - transmat 48 - planet e 46 - metroplex 36 - buzz 20 - kms 16 - r 15 - axis 14 - red planet 13 - incognito 11 - warp 10 - 430 west 10 - tresor 08 - express 08 - fragile producers top fifteen 80 - carl craig 79 - juan atkins 65 - underground resistance 64 - derrick may 21 - kevin saunderson 20 - drexciya 18 - kenny larkin 15 - jeff mills 14 - robert hood 14 - 'red planet' 11 - burden brothers 10 - james pennington 09 - blake baxter 09 - anthony shakir 07 - rolando On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 PM David Mansfield <mailto:dmansfiel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello Everyone, I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 of my favorites are : 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean 4. Inner City- Good Life 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
5 from me and in no particular order: Starlight - Moritz Mix Shifted Phases - Lonely Journey of the Comet Bopp Larkin - Clavia’s North Monobox - Realm cv313 - Seconds To Forever make it 6 Carl Craig - Televised Green Smoke no 7 Keith Worthy - The Aesthetic Track andy green Verdant Recordings 62 Ashwell Road Bygrave Herts mr.verd...@gmail.com +44 7816 373278 On 6 Mar 2020, at 01:26, Mike Taylor wrote: 1. Science Fiction by DBX 2. Alleys of Your Mind by Cybotron 3. Just Another Chance by Reece 4. Dream 17(Mayday mix) by Annette 5. Dem Young Sconies by Moodymann 6. Neurotic Behavior by Psyche 7. Capricorn by Jeff Mills 8. Greater Than Yourself by UR 9. Live For Friction by Shake 10. A Thought Becomes You by Blake Baxter On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 PM David Mansfield mailto:dmansfiel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello Everyone, I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 of my favorites are : 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean 4. Inner City- Good Life 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo
Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks
1. Science Fiction by DBX 2. Alleys of Your Mind by Cybotron 3. Just Another Chance by Reece 4. Dream 17(Mayday mix) by Annette 5. Dem Young Sconies by Moodymann 6. Neurotic Behavior by Psyche 7. Capricorn by Jeff Mills 8. Greater Than Yourself by UR 9. Live For Friction by Shake 10. A Thought Becomes You by Blake Baxter On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 PM David Mansfield wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are. 5 > of my favorites are : > > 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland > 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle > 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean > 4. Inner City- Good Life > 5. Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo > > >
