RE: Ip addressing question
Subnet zero is the network address that the routers uses for routing to the network and the broadcast address sends a broadcast to the entire network everytime it is used, which means it goes to all subnets. Therefore, these are not used as host addresses. They encompass the whole network. Others can probably add to this. Jennifer Cribbs = Original Message From "Fred Danson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = > Could anyone explain to me why Subnet zero and the last subnet are not >normally used?? I see why 2 host addresses are reserved in every subnet >(network address and broadcast address), but I never understood why 2 >networks are not used. What is the difference between these networks and the >networks in between? > >Thanks in advance, > >Freddy > > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---- Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Long Test
And by the time the lazy dogs raised their heads to sniff the quick gust of wind, the brown fox was so long gone that their unpracticed noses just barely caught a whiff, so they merely layed their heads back down...and waited for the next gust of wind. Jenn >= Original Message From Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >This is a Long Test (test 2 of 2), please ignore. > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs 1234567890 > >Thanks, > >Ole > > > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.CiscoKing.com > > NEED A JOB ??? > http://www.oledrews.com/job >~~~~ > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question [1:1596]
It was different than I expected. I had went through the cisco academy and therefore was used to the computer tests. I also had no experience. However, I was expecting a test similiar to the tests that I had been taking. Wrong!! This was much harder. But not exactly right either. It was not about specific items that you could memorize in order to pass a test. It was more about how well you understood the memorized items. It required more thought than the Cisco Exams for the academy. Much more thought. Jenn >= Original Message From Ryan Grimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >I will honestly say it was harder than I expected, however I'll give you >some background. > >I took a class to prepare myself for this exam because I had no professional >training in computers and needed some place to start. Shoot, I didn't have >one single certification except to teach spanish to junior high kids. I >took the exam right after my class after preparing for about 1 week. I >needed to take it then because I was going on my honeymoon and would be away >for almost 2 weeks. Needless to say I didn't want to come home and study >again. Unfortunately, I got a 795 on a relatively easy exam. I guess I >choked. > >Now, I buy the examcram book and take it on my honeymoon (insert joke here) >and spent my mornings reading it while my wife read her book by the pool. I >chose this book because it had a good general content and the fact it was >about 1/3rd the size of any other book. > >I got home and then bought the Cisco Press book and finally found nirvana. >In my opinion this book outshines all others in depth and understanding. I >thought Lammle's book was good, but the combination of the two of them >proved invaluable for true comprehension. > >Needless to say, last Saturday I took the exam and had a difficult one, but >got an 881. I just "knew" the answers and felt much more comfortable taking >the exam than I did the first time. > >I hope this helps. > >on 1/22/01 12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> To anyone that recent;y passed the CCNA 2 exam. >> >> Was it harder or easier than expected? >> >> Thanks, >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> Message Posted at: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1596&t=1596 >> -- >> You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >> the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1597&t=1596 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1699&t=1596 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question [1:1596]
Probably, but I was just replying as it was sent. Sincerely, Jenn Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thanks: Switching 2.0
Good job Ole!! Jenn >= Original Message From Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >I simply wanted to say thanks to those who have helped me pass my Switching >2.0 last Saturday, but the e-mail I wrote (last Saturday) must contain >something that are not allowed through the filter, because I have tried to >send it many times now, and even Jennifer Cribbs has been nice enough to try >to send it for me too, without any luck. > >Anyway(s), thanks, and if anyone needs good advise for this test, please >follow my CiscoKing link below, and click on the exam. > >Thanks, > >Ole > > > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.CiscoKing.com > > NEED A JOB ??? > http://www.oledrews.com/job > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Netacademy ?
No offense, but I bet noone sends that to you. If you are supposed to have access, contact Cisco and they will be glad to offer help. They did when I had a problem. They are tight about hackers gaining access however, but thanx. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Hans Schimek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >i am a regular user of the cisco netacad program - >i am allowed to enter the CCNA program but for now >i am not allowed to enter the CCNP program anymore - >the regional academy where i am studying does not have the CCNP license so >far. >i am nearly finished with the CCNP program . until yesterday i used this >netacad-curriculum - but today i am not allowed anymore. >does anyone have a password and username for that >site. just to complete my ccnp certification > > >thanx in advance > > >hans > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccna test 507
This may seem ridiculous to alot of you, but I am forging ahead with my question and I sure hope someone can offer me advice or help: I am finishing up in the cisco academy in mid-month and naturally, we use cisco press materials. I have been taking these classes for 4 semesters. I am taking the CCNA next Monday morning. I feel prepared or so I thought until I looked at a Sybex book for ccna today. It has so much more material in it and is so much more thorough, that I am wondering what the heck I am doing taking this test Monday morning. It has stuff I have never heard of, or considered. I am scared to death. I have the transcender software and take all the on-line stuff I can get my hands on, and I study constantly with the material that I have, but this sybex book has thown me for a loop. The stuff I have, I know well, but that's all I know. I have never even heard of a 1900 switch until today. In school, switches are switches. No specifics. My question: Is cisco press and transcender enough if you know THAT stuff really really well??? (I can tell I definately want sybex material for ccnp..) Is sybex just so much better than cisco press that it gives more info than you need for future preparations in testing? Opinions, advice, critisms...nothing rejected... Thanks, Jennifer Cribbs Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccna test 507
Hello This may seem ridiculous to alot of you, but I am forging ahead with my question and I sure hope someone can offer me advice or help: I am finishing up in the cisco academy in mid-month and naturally, we use cisco press materials. I have been taking these classes for 4 semesters. I am taking the CCNA next Monday morning. I feel prepared or so I thought until I looked at a Sybex book for ccna today. It has so much more material in it and is so much more thorough, that I am wondering what the heck I am doing taking this test Monday morning. It has stuff I have never heard of, or considered. I am scared to death. I have the transcender software and take all the on-line stuff I can get my hands on, and I study constantly with the material that I have, but this sybex book has thown me for a loop. The stuff I have, I know well, but that's all I know. I have never even heard of a 1900 switch until today. In school, switches are switches. No specifics. My question: Is cisco press and transcender enough if you know THAT stuff really really well??? (I can tell I definately want sybex material for ccnp..) Is sybex just so much better than cisco press that it gives more info than you need for future preparations in testing? Opinions, advice, critisms...nothing rejected... Thanks, Jennifer Cribbs Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No Subject
Hello Priscilla and everyone, Thanks for the encouragement!! I have relaxed now. At this point, I really think I will pass. I am over my initial fear and shock over the sybex book. I am back to just being concerned with getting over 90%, which was my original concern before sybex. My school average is around 97%, BUT, I know this test is different. At least it feels different. I just went a little nuts there for a bit. Most of my studying has been on my own, even through I was enrolled in an academy in a classroom situation. I am trying to look at this as 'just another step'Soon I will have CCNP questions for you guys.. I also have a very good friend who took this test today and passed and did very well. He and I have worked and studied in close proximity for 4 months now, and he says I will be surprised at how simple and easy the test is going to be. He told me we over-studied big time so I am holding on to that and reading my books and going through study guides and ignoring my family until I discover that fact for myself. Thank you everyone for the support. Monday is T-day and I will post my test grade, rain, shine, or maybe even snow (snowed last week here). Have a wonderful evening everyone!! Sincerely, Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Larry, I don't think you're right about CCNA being an adaptive test? A >number of us asked Cisco a couple months ago if they use adaptive testing >and they said no. I doubt they have changed that. > >My advice to Jennifer: Don't second guess yourself. I bet you know the >material. One of my students just passed with a score of 950. He was scared >to death too, but he didn't need to be. > >Good luck. Let us know how you do! > >Priscilla > >At 08:41 AM 12/9/00, Puckett, Larry (TIFPC) wrote: >>Jennifer, I just took the 507 test and can address some of your concerns. >>--- scared to death is a little too far. You should be nervous because this >>is not a test intended to be easy. It is an adaptive test that will focus on >>your weak spots. I believe that although that is hard to swallow if you >>don't pass, that it is still 'right' considering the intent of the >>certification. Cisco obviously wants CCNAs to not have any weak spots. This >>keeps the value of the certification high. >> I obviously just experienced not passing. It exposed that I need to >>increase my depth of knowledge in access lists. I will now retake the test >>soon and if I have another weak spot, I'm sure the test will show it to me >>as well. This is all good, although a little humiliating. >> >>With 4 semesters and the level of confidence that you are showing, I suggest >>you have no fear. Go take the test, and pass it!!! If it turns out that you >>are weak in an area, it will tell you where. This can relieve some of the >>awesome size of the task and let you focus on specific areas, knowing that >>you are strong enough in others. >> >>Go with high confidence and good luck... >> >>Larry Puckette - LANCP >>Temple-Inland >>Network Analyst >>ph -512/434-1838 >>fax-512/434-1861 >>cell-512/751-8315 >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>To: associate; cisco >>Subject: ccna test 507 >> >>Hello >> >>This may seem ridiculous to alot of you, but I am forging ahead with my >>question and I sure hope someone can offer me advice or help: >> >>I am finishing up in the cisco academy in mid-month and naturally, we use >>cisco press materials. I have been taking these classes for 4 semesters. I >>am taking the CCNA next Monday morning. I feel prepared or so I thought >>until >>I looked at a Sybex book for ccna today. >> >>It has so much more material in it and is so much more thorough, that I am >>wondering what the heck I am doing taking this test Monday morning. It >>has stuff I have never heard of, or considered. I am scared to death. >> >>I have the transcender software and take all the on-line stuff I can get my >>hands on, and I study constantly with the material that I have, but this >>sybex >>book has thown me for a loop. The stuff I have, I know well, but that's all >>I >>know. I have never even heard of a 1900 switch until today. In school, >>switches are switches. No specifics. >> >>My question: Is cisco press and transcender enough if you know THAT stuff >>really really well??? (I can tell I definately want sybex material for >>ccnp..) &g
RE: CCNA - Fears and Realities
I believe my feelings of incompeteness or fear or nervousness stem from the fact that I am a housewife and have absolutely NO experience in the tech world. My past jobs were just general working jobs that required no education. I don't work at this time. I study and go to school and my husband takes care of me. And it is awsome to be able to understand some of these things. I have no idea where this will go for me. At the time when this started, I was going to go back to school and take a few classes with my husband for "growth purposes" and the school I was attending got the okay to start cisco classes. I had no computer experience. I had never touched one except to maybe play a video game at an arcade... I had never heard of cisco and I went to a seminar which was held to explain the courses and what they would consist of. I didn't really understand what I was getting into, but I signed on because it sounded interesting...and then, I was hooked. I took 98, nt and a hardware class plus the first semester of cisco, which spurred me on to go buy a bunch of parts last year as an experiment and build the first computer that my husband and I have ever owned and actually am typing this on. It took me 2 days to build. It shocked me at how easy it was and that it actually worked! My husband eventually dropped the classes, but I was hooked so to speak. I am buying the sybex ccnp books and can't wait to try things in the real world. Passing this test is a goal of mine. You guys might be used to this stuff and so are maybe indifferent to what you actually know and understand. This is thrilling stuff to me. And it nearly makes me feel priviledged to be able to learn. So many people cannot... I thank you for the helpful msgs, but now I must study for tomorrow. And after checking, I was wrong on my averages. sem1 90, sem2 91, sem 3 95, and sem 4 92, but not quite finished with that one yet. Final to go on Tuesday. Sincerely, Jennifer Cribbs >= Original Message From "Darby Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >The Realities are Transcender and Cisco Press. > >I used neither - 892 I believe. > >The Reality is using ExamGear, Boson, and Troytech. > >If you haven't heard of these, then maybe you should look into them. > >I took two weeks of studying only those and passed the 407 exam. I know you think 507 is different and harder? > >I signed up for the Cisco Academy and have completed 1 Semester so far and feel it to be lacking. > >I think it will look good on a resume and hopefully count as experience. > >Do a search for Hambo + cracks and you will find a gateway to a new world. > >Good luck - Remember ExamGear (New Riders), boson.com and troytech.com. > >Darby Weaver >MCSE+I, MCSE, MCP+I, MCP >A+, Network+, I-Net+, Server+ >Certified Internet Security Specialist >Certified TCP/IP Administrator >CCNA > >P.S.: Don't let the alphabet fool ya :) >Take one test at a time. Eventually it helps build a formidable resume. Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MY CCNA TEST!!
Hello everybody, I just wanted to say I passed!!! I scored an 892 and actually got 100% in wan protocols and network design. The cisco threaded case study helped on that, at least I think it did. I had a couple of fill in the blank and the rest was entirely conceptual in every sense of the word. The people who fail this test have done too much memorizing and not enough understanding, because this test is worded in such as way as to confuse the test-taker I think, and on purpose, trying to throw you for a loop. It's a wonder I passed. I studied so long yesterday, I felt brain-dead, but very on edge, so I did not sleep one single bit last night. I am very exhaused, but still excited. The place where I took the test is about an hour and a half from my house and we got lost going and went the wrong way. Luckily, we left about 3.5 hrs early, so I still got there two hrs early. The woman said I could study some more if I wanted and I said "NO! I want to get it done". So, I took it early. And had about 25-30 minutes left. I wanted a 900, so I should have taken more time I think. I even took an extra $100.00 just in case I failed so I could re-take it. It was wonderful to see that screen come up afterwards saying congratulations. Thank goodness it's over. Well, it is snowing here now. I am glad to be back home where no stress exists. Thank you everybody for offering me emotional support! "Especially D.W.and C.L." The advice you both gave me is what helped the most. I remained calm and studied and passed thanks to you two guys. Sincerely, Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---- Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Identifying an ISDN port
"I think" the port on the router if it says bri is the te1 device and if that is so, then it is the s interfact or s/t. depends on if you have a nt2 or not... hope that helps. The rule as I understand it" ( wording this carefully) te1(non isdn) to ta(modem) r interface ta (modem) to te1 (telephone-bri) s interfact te1 to nt2 s interface nt2 to nt1 t interface nt1 to service provider u interface I think this is right. Someone please comment if I am wrong Jennifer C >= Original Message From "Samuel P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Hi Folks > >How do I identify if an ISDN port on a 2503 router is an "S/T or a "U" >interface. >Either by physical verification or using the CLI. The port on the router >says ISDN BRI. >Could someone please help me out. > >Thanks > >SP > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Samuel P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Hi Folks > >How do I identify if an ISDN port on a 2503 router is an "S/T or a "U" >interface. >Either by physical verification or using the CLI. The port on the router >says ISDN BRI. >Could someone please help me out. > >Thanks > >SP > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities
Well, we all got started different in ways I guess. Yea, I guess computers would be better than getting kicked around Merry Christmas everyone!! Jennfer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "hal9001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Well I'm as happy as can be..so. > >To the various louts and layabouts who gave me the kickings, punches, blows >and injuries that forced me prematurely out of my 22 year career in the >Police Force for a career in networking.thanks very much and I'm doing >very nicely indeed.the jokes on you. > >I feel much better for that now! > >Merry Christmas! > >Karl -------- Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
interface null 0 and access list restrictions
I have two questions: 1-- I realize the command that prevents a router from from forwarding data to a remote network without generating an ICMP msg is interface null 0...and if that is so, what does come back. Does it come back as timed-out?? Different subject: 2-- First, in considering routing updates and network congestionSince routing updates do not include denied traffic on inbound interfaces but they do on outbound, why wasn't inbound considered or made the default to help alieviate that same congestion on denied traffic?. Wouldn't that make more sense? Thank you, Jennifer Cribbs re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
interface null 0 and access list restrictions
Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I have two questions: > >1-- I realize the command that prevents a router from from forwarding data >to a remote network without generating an ICMP msg is interface null 0...and >if that is so, what does come back. Does it come back as timed-out?? > >Different subject: > >2-- First, in considering routing updates and network congestionSince >routing updates do not include denied traffic on inbound interfaces but they >do on outbound, why wasn't inbound considered or made the default to help >alieviate that same congestion on denied traffic?. Wouldn't that make >more sense? > > >Thank you, >Jennifer Cribbs >re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------- Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: interface null 0 and access list restrictions
Good Morning Chuck! Opera.I have had it 4 different times. It has good points and bad points. I move back and forth between the search mechanishm on IE and OPera. Opera used to not have one. They have a search engine built in now..google that is actually on your screen, but old habits die hard so to speak. It is faster than IE and I like the transfer window, because it doesn't interfer with anything else I have going on. I am one of the lucky ones. I have never had it crash like I have read about it doing on other people's machines. They actually have a free version out now...opera 5. I just downloaded that the other day to try again. I have never puchased it because I wasn't through checking it out. I have seen it go through many transation stages since I first tried it. What I have found strange is that with this version, you cannot contact support or anything if you have a question or a problem. No server access...but this version has fixed some of the bugs associated with the earlier versions. I love opera mail. I like it better than any other mail service I have ever had. I like the way it is organized but that is something you would just have to check out for yourself. You can have Opera Mail, without having an opera browser. With me, I have had Opera Mail for quite some time. Actually way before I ever had an Opera Browser. I have yahoo and hotmail and operamail. Trying things out..you know..? With the opera browser, I like the way I have immediate access to my cache. I like the configuration mechanishms involved in it. I feel like I have more control over things. I like the multiple independent windowing effect it has associated with it. You should try the new version. It seems more stable than previous versions. I haven't completely finished checking out this version, so I cannot say anthing more specific 'yet'. I will keep you updated on that. Give me a few days and I will let you know. I also recently installed netscape 6, but I uninstalled that about two days later. That's a loser in my opinion. Very very slow. I had gotten it in order to view some things I had that were associated with that program. What I did do after I uninstalled it however, was go to my file extension control and change some things..actually everything, so that anything associated with netscape that I ran across in searching, downloading or whatever, I would be able to open with IE, (which is handy) as if it wern't meant for netscape. Which means when I find something I want, that is only meant for netscape viewing, I can see it anyway as if it were meant for IE. I guess there's always a way around everything. See ya, Jennifer >= Original Message From "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Singing opera makes you hot? ;-> > >Haven't used the Opera browser in a while. one of the updates did bad >things on my computer so I had to uninstall it. > >How is it behaving for you? > >Chuck > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >jennifer cribbs >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 10:25 PM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: interface null 0 and access list restrictions > >I have two questions: > >1-- I realize the command that prevents a router from from forwarding data >to a remote network without generating an ICMP msg is interface null 0...and >if that is so, what does come back. Does it come back as timed-out?? > >Different subject: > >2-- First, in considering routing updates and network congestionSince >routing updates do not include denied traffic on inbound interfaces but they >do on outbound, why wasn't inbound considered or made the default to help >alieviate that same congestion on denied traffic?. Wouldn't that make >more sense? > > >Thank you, >Jennifer Cribbs >re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities
Amen!! Jennifer >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >see if they had hand guns in the UK like the USA you might of joined us in >our hobby 11 years ago >Duck >- Original Message - >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 8:32 AM >Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities > > >> Well, we all got started different in ways I guess. Yea, I guess >computers >> would be better than getting kicked around >> >> >> Merry Christmas everyone!! >> >> Jennfer Cribbs >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >= Original Message From "hal9001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >> >Well I'm as happy as can be..so. >> > >> >To the various louts and layabouts who gave me the kickings, punches, >blows >> >and injuries that forced me prematurely out of my 22 year career in the >> >Police Force for a career in networking.thanks very much and I'm >doing >> >very nicely indeed.the jokes on you. >> > >> >I feel much better for that now! >> > >> >Merry Christmas! >> > >> >Karl >> >> >> Have a Good Day!! >> Jennifer Cribbs >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: interface null 0 and access list restrictions
In question #2, I was referring to section of a book I had been reading in. I have no example to give you. It was about network congestion and the ways to alievate the problem. One of the suggested methods given, was reminding people of the fact that when routing updates are generated dynamically in regards to denied traffic, they include permitted traffic from inbound and outbound interfaces, but as far as denied traffic, it is only included from the outbound interface, so it was saying that if you put your denied traffic on the inbound interface, it makes the dynamically created routing updates smaller and therefore helps alieviate the problem of congestion because the updates are smaller. My comment about this was simply meant to suggest that it seems strange to me that any denied traffic should be included on a routing update and since outbound is automatically the default on either permitted or denied traffic, that in itself makes for larger updates and could possibly create a congestion problem. I was merely commenting that inbound should be the default and not outbound and that would make more sense. It is however possible that when the software was created, congestion was not a problem... Jennifer >= Original Message From "Nigel Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Jennifer, >From everything I've read and understand the null route is a >tool that used for various routing decisions, one of them not being a static >route to a physical network. Note: All traffic directed to the null >interface is dropped. The results observed by Chuck L fall right in line >with all the documentation >I've been reading and the lab examples I've followed. > >Nigel.. > > >- Original Message - >From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:19 PM >Subject: RE: interface null 0 and access list restrictions > > >> Jennifer, the question intrigued me enough to want to try a Q&D lab. I was >> originally going to suggest RFC 1812 ( which I just finished browsing ) >but >> I could locate the section that I thought might have been relevant. I >> believe, though, that the practices laid out in 1812 require that a router >> generate the appropriate ICMP message unless some other requirement >> precludes this. >> >> For example, for security reasons one might want to suppress certain >> information being returned, so one would configure things to mask that >> information. So one might return an ICMP message of "destination >> unreachable" or "network unreachable" rather than "administratively >> prohibited" ( which message might serve as hacker bait ) >> >> In any case, I constructed a lab using three routers, and placing a static >> route on router_3 to a particular target network as being null0 >> IP route 199.107.5.0 255.255.255.0 null0 >> >> When all routing was correctly configured, from router_1 I pinged to >target >> address. The response on router_1 was U.U.U.U etc >> >> A debug ip icmp on router_3 showed that a host unreachable was being >> generated and returned to router_1 >> >> I am not sure how to test routing to the entire network. Generally, in the >> practice labs I have done, the null0 route shows up as a part of route >> aggregation. >> >> Now in re-reading your question, I am not sure I understand what it is >you >> are trying to get to. >> >> Also, in #2, I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that >> "routing updates do not include denied traffic on inbound interfaces but >> they do on outbound" I'm a bit confused about the relationship between >> routing updates and denied traffic. Do you have an example or two you can >> provide that might clarify this for me? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >> jennifer cribbs >> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 10:25 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: interface null 0 and access list restrictions >> >> I have two questions: >> >> 1-- I realize the command that prevents a router from from forwarding >data >> to a remote network without generating an ICMP msg is interface null >0...and >> if that is so, what does come back. Does it come back as timed-out?? >> >> Different subject: >> >> 2-- First, in considering routing updates and
RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities
Exactly!! Jennifer >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >:>) >- Original Message - >From: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Donald B Johnson Jr ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities > > >> Sort of Praise Cisco and pass the ammunition...m....I could warm >to >> that. >> >> Karl >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:33 PM >> Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities >> >> >> > Amen!! >> > >> > Jennifer >> > >> > >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > = >> > >see if they had hand guns in the UK like the USA you might of joined us >> in >> > >our hobby 11 years ago >> > >Duck >> > >- Original Message - >> > >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >To: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 8:32 AM >> > >Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities >> > > >> > > >> > >> Well, we all got started different in ways I guess. Yea, I guess >> > >computers >> > >> would be better than getting kicked around >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Merry Christmas everyone!! >> > >> >> > >> Jennfer Cribbs >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >= Original Message From "hal9001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >> > >> >Well I'm as happy as can be..so. >> > >> > >> > >> >To the various louts and layabouts who gave me the kickings, >punches, >> > >blows >> > >> >and injuries that forced me prematurely out of my 22 year career in >> the >> > >> >Police Force for a career in networking.thanks very much and I'm >> > >doing >> > >> >very nicely indeed.the jokes on you. >> > >> > >> > >> >I feel much better for that now! >> > >> > >> > >> >Merry Christmas! >> > >> > >> > >> >Karl >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Have a Good Day!! >> > >> Jennifer Cribbs >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> > >> _ >> > >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > >_ >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > Have a Good Day!! >> > Jennifer Cribbs >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > _ >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic - Thoughts on the coming year
I am changing my resolutions after reading that. Chuck, that was really great! Let's see, I have 2 days to perfect my strategyand decide how many steps I realistically can take this yr. Right now, I have my sights set on the switching exam, and hope to be ready at the end of Jan for that one. You are very impressive Chuck!! Jen >= Original Message From Christopher Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Chuck- you should take up inspirational/motivational speaking as a side gig >(big $$$ I hear jk). Very nice. Thanx for sharing it Bill. > >-Original Message- >From: Billy Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:19 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Off Topic - Thoughts on the coming year > > >You are "the man", Chuck ! >Happy 2001 ! > > >""Chuck Larrieu"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >000a01c07168$95af3940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000a01c07168$95af3940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> This shouldn't be too long. No goal setting this year. No laying out of >> plans and schemes. Just a reflection on my own achievements, and what that >> might mean to you. >> >> I discovered Cisco certification 19 months ago, shortly after I lost my >job >> as technology manager at a small brokerage firm. (downsized by the new >> owners) At that time I thought that maybe it would take me five years to >get >> my CCIE. A year ago, when I laid out my plan for the year 2000, and posted >> it here, I saw that it might be possible to have at least passed the CCIE >> written by year end. >> >> Today, my CCIE lab is scheduled, and I believe I will have attained that >> goal by end of year 2001. This is amazing to me. >> >> So I just want to say, on this eve of the REAL new millenium, to all of >you >> on this list, to all of you single moms and high school kids and career >> changers and overweight middle aged guys, and non native English speakers, >> you CAN do it! It may be a journey of a thousand miles, but it can be >done, >> as the saying goes, one step at a time. >> >> To all of you whose names I have seen in my in-box these past months, my >> best wishes to you all. Wherever you are on the road - the shoreline, >Delhi, >> Katmandu, Base Camp, or nearly at Everest's summit - you CAN do it. I look >> forward to seeing you on the road, on the trail, on the climb, at the top. >> >> May you achieve those things which fulfill you in this coming new year! >> >> Chuck >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Welcome to a new year
What a way to start a new yrs conversation.. I remember when the first advertisements of "tubular objects" and "masculine protection items" were first being advertised on the telly. I believe all the women in the world were probably as shocked as myself, my sister and my very old fashioned mom were that people would even talk about this..Our dad used to pick up these items as they were needed for all of us. We were too embarassed to walk through the store carrying these items. The best story my Mother ever told was concerning my sis, when she was around 4 or 5. It occured during a dinner party and the highpoint of this particular party occured when all retired to the living area for that after dinner chat. All were greeted by the site of my sister sitting in the floor arranging her "barbie doll beds". They had the new designer padded model mattress.My mother about fainted from embarrassment. Jennifer Cribbs - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Welcome to a new year > The other side of this one, of course, is the buying and selling of a > particular tubular product who purpose is "protection", and the most famous > of which was named for a civilization whose destruction was celebrated in > The Iliad. > > Things may be different today. It has been 20 years since I worked in a > drugstore, with a mostly young lady staff. A portion of our evening traffic > involved the sale of these products. It was not uncommon to see bright red > faces both on clerk and customer as the transaction took place, and was > concluded with the clerk telling the customer to "have a good night" > > Come to think of it, the same used to happen during the sale of particular > magazines as well > > Chuck > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mask > Of Zorro > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > Never had the trouble with the Feminine Hygeine Products (FHP's). When > picking up a small box of 'em for my sister at a local 7-eleven store, the > clerk ringing me up asked "Do you need a bag?" to which I replied, "No > thanks, I'll eat them here!" > > The face he made was priceless... > > Z > > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > >Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:07:00 -0500 > > > >Natasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> attacked the fundamentals of modern manhood > >with, > > > > >Actually a late Fridays funnies. > > > > > > > > > (I'd like to dedicate this to my boyfriend, who is living proof that > > >uncontrollable compulsive > > > switching of TV channels with a remote control is a testosterone > > >influenced condition.) > > > > > > > >And never, under any circumstances, expect me to pick up > > > anything for which "feminine hygiene product" is a euphemism. > > > >I was cured of this. Many years ago, I had surgery for a pilonoidal > >cyst. Without getting into gory details, suffice it to say is that > >the normal recovery from this involves lots of bleeding, and the > >standard dressing is to tape ...ummmfeminine hygiene > >products...to the patient's posterior. > > > >About 3 weeks postoperatively, I hobbled to the local drugstore, > >supported by my first wife, to get more supplies. The clerk seemed a > >little surprised at the number of boxes, at which point my wife > >cheerfully chimed, in a trained singer's voice that carried > >throughout the establishment, "oh...those are for my husband." > > > >To this day, I tend to refer to "masculine napkins" while in her > >presence. I don't complain too much, because I may need her > >expertise on object oriented design. > > > >A couple of years later, I was implementing a WAN for the US > >Department of Labor, using state of the art 9600 BPS modems from > >Codex (now Motorola). We negotiated what I thought was a rather good > >price, but got a called from an irritated purchasing officer. > > > >"How can you possibly spend $30,000 on these? You'd fill up boxcars! > >What do you need with them in the netwo
Re: Welcome to a new year
- Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: RE: Welcome to a new year > My wife is falling on the floor laughing at this thread. What did I start? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Jennifer Cribbs > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:39 PM > To: Chuck Larrieu; Mask Of Zorro; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > What a way to start a new yrs conversation.. > > I remember when the first advertisements of "tubular objects" and "masculine > protection items" were first being advertised on the telly. I believe all > the women in the world were probably as shocked as myself, my sister and my > very old fashioned mom were that people would even talk about this..Our > dad used to pick up these items as they were needed for all of us. We were > too embarassed to walk through the store carrying these items. The best > story my Mother ever told was concerning my sis, when she was around 4 or 5. > It occured during a dinner party and the highpoint of this particular party > occured when all retired to the living area for that after dinner chat. All > were greeted by the site of my sister sitting in the floor arranging her > "barbie doll beds". They had the new designer padded model mattress.My > mother about fainted from embarrassment. > > Jennifer Cribbs > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: Welcome to a new year > > > > The other side of this one, of course, is the buying and selling of a > > particular tubular product who purpose is "protection", and the most > famous > > of which was named for a civilization whose destruction was celebrated in > > The Iliad. > > > > Things may be different today. It has been 20 years since I worked in a > > drugstore, with a mostly young lady staff. A portion of our evening > traffic > > involved the sale of these products. It was not uncommon to see bright red > > faces both on clerk and customer as the transaction took place, and was > > concluded with the clerk telling the customer to "have a good night" > > > > Come to think of it, the same used to happen during the sale of particular > > magazines as well > > > > Chuck > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Mask > > Of Zorro > > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:46 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > > > Never had the trouble with the Feminine Hygeine Products (FHP's). When > > picking up a small box of 'em for my sister at a local 7-eleven store, the > > clerk ringing me up asked "Do you need a bag?" to which I replied, "No > > thanks, I'll eat them here!" > > > > The face he made was priceless... > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > >Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:07:00 -0500 > > > > > >Natasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> attacked the fundamentals of modern manhood > > >with, > > > > > > >Actually a late Fridays funnies. > > > > > > > > > > > > (I'd like to dedicate this to my boyfriend, who is living proof that > > > >uncontrollable compulsive > > > > switching of TV channels with a remote control is a testosterone > > > >influenced condition.) > > > > > > > > > > >And never, under any circumstances, expect me to pick up > > > > anything for which "feminine hygiene product" is a euphemism. > > > > > >I was cured of this. Many years ago, I had surgery for a pilonoidal > > >cyst. Without getting into gory details, suffice it to say is that > > >the normal recovery from this involves lots of bleeding, and the > > >standard dressing is to tape ...ummmfeminine hygiene > > >products...to the patient's posterior. > > > > >
Re: Welcome to a new year
Just a little new yr's fun...and your wife is right, it is pretty funny. I do believe we're all showing our age by the ability to remember very different times. Those really were the good old days. Those times are many new yr's ago. People were very different then. Jennifer Cribbs - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: RE: Welcome to a new year > My wife is falling on the floor laughing at this thread. What did I start? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Jennifer Cribbs > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:39 PM > To: Chuck Larrieu; Mask Of Zorro; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > What a way to start a new yrs conversation.. > > I remember when the first advertisements of "tubular objects" and "masculine > protection items" were first being advertised on the telly. I believe all > the women in the world were probably as shocked as myself, my sister and my > very old fashioned mom were that people would even talk about this..Our > dad used to pick up these items as they were needed for all of us. We were > too embarassed to walk through the store carrying these items. The best > story my Mother ever told was concerning my sis, when she was around 4 or 5. > It occured during a dinner party and the highpoint of this particular party > occured when all retired to the living area for that after dinner chat. All > were greeted by the site of my sister sitting in the floor arranging her > "barbie doll beds". They had the new designer padded model mattress.My > mother about fainted from embarrassment. > > Jennifer Cribbs > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: Welcome to a new year > > > > The other side of this one, of course, is the buying and selling of a > > particular tubular product who purpose is "protection", and the most > famous > > of which was named for a civilization whose destruction was celebrated in > > The Iliad. > > > > Things may be different today. It has been 20 years since I worked in a > > drugstore, with a mostly young lady staff. A portion of our evening > traffic > > involved the sale of these products. It was not uncommon to see bright red > > faces both on clerk and customer as the transaction took place, and was > > concluded with the clerk telling the customer to "have a good night" > > > > Come to think of it, the same used to happen during the sale of particular > > magazines as well > > > > Chuck > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Mask > > Of Zorro > > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:46 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > > > Never had the trouble with the Feminine Hygeine Products (FHP's). When > > picking up a small box of 'em for my sister at a local 7-eleven store, the > > clerk ringing me up asked "Do you need a bag?" to which I replied, "No > > thanks, I'll eat them here!" > > > > The face he made was priceless... > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: Welcome to a new year > > >Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:07:00 -0500 > > > > > >Natasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> attacked the fundamentals of modern manhood > > >with, > > > > > > >Actually a late Fridays funnies. > > > > > > > > > > > > (I'd like to dedicate this to my boyfriend, who is living proof that > > > >uncontrollable compulsive > > > > switching of TV channels with a remote control is a testosterone > > > >influenced condition.) > > > > > > > > > > >And never, under any circumstances, expect me to pick up > > > > anything for which "feminine hygiene product" is a euphemism. > > > > > >I was cured of this. Many years ago, I had surgery for a pilonoidal > > >cyst
RE: Question on CCNA exams [1:1358]
From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Will ERM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Question on CCNA exams [1:1358] I took my test in early Dec and the questions that had multiple answers all specified the numbers of answers to choose. It would say something like, "choose the two correct choices " or choose the three correct choices". It never left me hanging as in saying, "choose all correct answers". Good Luck!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED], Will ERM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >How are the questions worded when there are multiple answers? > >ie - do you get checkboxes instead of radio buttons > - does it say "Select the 1 Best Answer" > >Just wondering. This can be a great tool for answering multiple choice. > >- Will > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1358&t=1358 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
98 testing.......off subject of cisco
I realize this is not along the cisco lines, but I was wondering if anyone knows if the 98 test for mcse is still valid. I have had the nt and the 98 courses plus net essentials, but never tested. I realize nt has since been retired, but I can't find anything on-line anywhere about the 98 test. Is this still a good test to take or has everyting gone to 2000 track? Thanks, Jen Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No Subject
You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute sense. Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you just don't open and then there are some that you learn things from. And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually someone that I read on a consistant basis. And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that newbies like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone's word in a literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized I needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like Howard's. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I listen to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few others, but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I reason things by saying the other's will get tired and eventually leave or grow up. I would rather read Howard's "crotchety" replies anyday to some other's. Just my opinion... Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) >I\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email >addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration >policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a >public post, there\'s no question who is making it. > >Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to >anyone\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, >there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The >Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose >reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor >and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their >knowledge. > >Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are >most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is >important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that >irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that >helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. > >Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) >list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as >hotmail. Here\'s my reasoning. > >If you don\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for >advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via >an employer, academic, or library account. > >An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional >mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different >mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get >to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external >POP3 connectivity. > >If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a >hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of >email clients (including browsers), I\'d really be uncomfortable with >them configuring my routers. > >Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \"email >slang\" such as \"u\" rather than \"you,\" etc., is not improving their >image in the industry. And image can\'t be ignored completely. > > >-- >\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\" >***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not >directly to me*** > >Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Technical Director, CertificationZone.com >Senior Mgr., IP Protocols & Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) > but Cisco stockholder! >\"retired\" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 -- _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Warning
> > You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at > least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute sense. > Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you > just don\'t open and then there are some that you learn things from. > > And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am > changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually someone > that I read on a consistant basis. > > And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that newbies > like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone\'s word in a > literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized I > needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also > considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like > Howard\'s. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I listen > to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few others, > but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only > occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I > reason things by saying the other\'s will get tired and eventually leave or > grow up. I would rather read Howard\'s \"crotchety\" replies anyday to some > other\'s. > > Just my opinion... > Jennifer Cribbs > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) > > > >I\\\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email > >addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration > >policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a > >public post, there\\\'s no question who is making it. > > > >Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to > >anyone\\\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, > >there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The > >Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose > >reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor > >and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their > >knowledge. > > > >Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are > >most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is > >important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that > >irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that > >helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. > > > >Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) > >list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as > >hotmail. Here\\\'s my reasoning. > > > >If you don\\\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for > >advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via > >an employer, academic, or library account. > > > >An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional > >mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different > >mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get > >to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external > >POP3 connectivity. > > > >If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a > >hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of > >email clients (including browsers), I\\\'d really be uncomfortable with > >them configuring my routers. > > > >Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \\\"email > >slang\\\" such as \\\"u\\\" rather than \\\"you,\\\" etc., is not improving their > >image in the industry. And image can\\\'t be ignored completely. > > > > > >-- > >\\\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\\\" > >***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not > >directly to me*** > > > >Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Technical Director, CertificationZone.com > >Senior Mgr., IP Protocols & Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) > > but Cisco stockholder! > >\\\"retired\\\" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 > -- > > > > -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:
I'm glad someone's in the same boat as me. There are probably lots of other's, but they just don't say anything. Being quiet has never been one of my strong points. Jennifer Cribbs "Denis A. Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Good post! I'm sorta kinda newbie to Cisco myself. I've been doing > Network Administration for several years, but never really dealt with Cisco. > I'm glad we're in the same boat! > > Denis > > Denis A. Baldwin A+/MCP/I-Net+ > Network Administrator - CAE, Inc. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Jennifer Cribbs > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:09 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: > > > > You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at > least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute sense. > Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you > just don't open and then there are some that you learn things from. > > And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am > changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually someone > that I read on a consistant basis. > > And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that newbies > like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone's word in a > literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized I > needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also > considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like > Howard's. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I listen > to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few > others, > but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only > occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I > reason things by saying the other's will get tired and eventually leave or > grow up. I would rather read Howard's "crotchety" replies anyday to some > other's. > > Just my opinion... > Jennifer Cribbs > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) > > > >I\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email > >addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration > >policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a > >public post, there\'s no question who is making it. > > > >Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to > >anyone\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, > >there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The > >Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose > >reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor > >and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their > >knowledge. > > > >Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are > >most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is > >important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that > >irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that > >helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. > > > >Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) > >list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as > >hotmail. Here\'s my reasoning. > > > >If you don\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for > >advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via > >an employer, academic, or library account. > > > >An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional > >mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different > >mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get > >to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external > >POP3 connectivity. > > > >If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a > >hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of > >email clients (including browsers), I\'d really be uncomfortable with > >them configuring my routers. > > > >Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \"email > >slang\" such as \"u\" rather than \"you,\" etc., is not improving their > >image in the industry. And image can\'t be ignored completely. > > > > > >-- > >\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\&quo
RE: Warning!!
> > > > > You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at > > least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute > sense. > > Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you > > just don\'t open and then there are some that you learn things from. > > > > And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am > > changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually > someone > > > that I read on a consistant basis. > > > > And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that > newbies > > like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone\'s word in a > > literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized > I > > > needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also > > considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like > > Howard\'s. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I > listen > > to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few > others, > > but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only > > occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I > > reason things by saying the other\'s will get tired and eventually leave > or > > > grow up. I would rather read Howard\'s \"crotchety\" replies anyday to > some > > other\'s. > > > > Just my opinion... > > Jennifer Cribbs > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) > > > > > > >I\\\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email > > >addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration > > >policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a > > >public post, there\\\'s no question who is making it. > > > > > >Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to > > >anyone\\\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, > > >there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The > > >Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose > > >reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor > > >and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their > > >knowledge. > > > > > >Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are > > >most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is > > >important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that > > >irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that > > >helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. > > > > > >Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) > > >list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as > > >hotmail. Here\\\'s my reasoning. > > > > > >If you don\\\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for > > >advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via > > >an employer, academic, or library account. > > > > > >An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional > > >mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different > > >mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get > > >to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external > > >POP3 connectivity. > > > > > >If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a > > >hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of > > >email clients (including browsers), I\\\'d really be uncomfortable with > > >them configuring my routers. > > > > > >Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \\\"email > > >slang\\\" such as \\\"u\\\" rather than \\\"you,\\\" etc., is not > improving their > > >image in the industry. And image can\\\'t be ignored completely. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >\\\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\\\" > > >***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not > > >directly to me*** > > > > > >Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Technical Director, CertificationZone.com > > >Senior Mgr., IP Protocols & Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) > > > but Cisco stockholder! > > >\\\"retired\\\" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Have a good day!!! > Jennifer Cribbs > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I read these files
You do not have to download anything first of all. *.pif is a dos extension. So, unless it is encrypted, you can read it. If it is encrypted, you will be able to view it in it's encrypted form. be careful though or you will delete something by mistake if you don't do it right. 1--go to your dos prompt, (and I suggest you do this from windows using your start menu, programs and not your system dos prompt, where you shut down and then re-start at dos prompt, because if you are not familiar with this you can mess things up in there.) Besides, from your windows prompt, you can use your mouse and you can't from the system prompt. 2--type in edit 3--use you mouse and click on the first tab, which will be "file", and move your cursor to open. This will open a new screen which on the left side are files and on the right side are directories. 4--this is the tricky part, because if you are not in the correct directory as the pif file, it will not open. So, what you will have to do is work only on the right side until the directory is correct. So, first determine the mapped path to the file and then in dos from this screen, re-create it. Probably, the first thing is C, and then probably windows, and so on. If you have a profile, you will have to use that. You will be able to view this file this way, but you will only be able to read it if it's not encrypted. If encrypted, too bad. example. i created a file called hello.pif on my desktop. My path was: C:\WINDOWS.\Porfiles\Jennifer\Desktop It will not be the same for your's. Because first of all, I doubt your Windows has the ext *., so only look at this as an example. And when you click C:, you then click ok, and then go back to the right side of the screen and continue. But when you click C: the directory will start being displayed on the top of the page, so watch this and you can tell. 5--when you get the correct directory, look on the left side of the screen for the file you want to open. click on it and then click ok. The screen you were working on will disappear and the file should open showing you what is inside. 6--DO NOT JUST EXIT FROM HERE BY CLICKING THE X IN THE TOP RT CORNER OF THE SCREEN. IT WILL ERASE THIS FILE IF YOU EXIT FROM THIS SCREEN INPROPERLY. TO EXIT, YOU CLICK FILE AND THEN EXIT. THIS TAKES YOU BACK TO THE DOS PROMPT. AND THEN YOU TYPE EXIT AGAIN AND YOU ARE BACK AT WINDOWS. WARNING: IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH DOS, DO NOT DO THIS FROM THE MAIN SYSTEM DOS PROMPT, BECAUSE THE COMMANDS ARE DIFFERENT AND YOU GO THROUGH THEM DIFFERENT, AND YOU MIGHT GET STUCK AND ERASE A FILE. BE CAREFUL. REMEMBER, SOME FILES ARE NOT MEANT TO BE READ. You can do this with any file in you computer, including the other extensions you mentioned. Jennifer cribbs \"Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > With what application can I read files with Extentions: > .ps > .piff > .unk > > Where can I download these files. > > Thanks to all. > > OLETU > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I read these files ONE MORE THING
when you have a file on your computer and you click on it and it says something like, what program do you want to use to open this file??? look at the properties of this file by right clicking on it, and it will tell you what the file extension is and that way you can identify it, so you can actually find it in dos to open in the way I previously mentioned in the earlier e-mail. Just find the mapped path. usually these are encrypted system files, but not always. Jennifer _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The Troy Tech study guide for CCNA [1:1425]
I went through the cisco academy and then crammed on the troy-tec the night before the big test and it covered everything on the test in a condensed form. My opinion, it is worth whatever it cost. Too bad they don't have ccnp study guides. Jennifer Cribbs >= Original Message From "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >I've used the Troy Tech study guide with great success for the CCNA 1.0 >(almost aced the exam with its help!), however, I cannot stress enough the >importance of hands-on experience. If all you desire is quick path to a >certification than the CCNA study guide from Troy Tech is well worth your >time and money. IMHO, you owe it to yourself and the Cisco community to >learn more than just what rote memorization will give you by this Troy Tech >tool, however. > >Good luck to you! > > >Thank you, >Raul De La Garza III >CCNA NNCSS MCSE CNE >Senior Network Engineer >EmCare Incorporated >Work 214.712.2085 >Mobile 817.991.7889 >Pager 877.270.9755 >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >chris >marinos > >cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: CCNA Cram Guides >[1:1376] > >nobody@groups > >tudy.com > > > >01/11/2001 >03:36 >PM > >Please >respond >to >chris >marinos > > > > > > >no but I can tell you that WANPROS is awfull and there answers are wrong. >I've also heard that they don't reply to any requests once they have your >money. Beware of all these companies.Rob Jones wrote: >> >> I was wondering if anyone out there has used the CCNA >> Study/Cram >> guides that are sold on Troytec.Com and if so, did they work out? > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1423&t=1376 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1425&t=1425 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bootstrap ver vs. Config IOS ver?
I am not knowledgeable at all on cmts 7300 series, but as far as bootstrap, I think I can explain it, but you should probably get another opinion on this. bootstrap options are boot system commands that specify the fallback sequence for booting cisco ios sw. Usually, they are in the following order: flash memory, network server, and then rom. If one option fails, it automatically goes to the next and so on. That's all I know about this. Jennifer Max Rion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, all. Long time no see. > > I was studying CMTS 7300 series and got a problem on S/W. Bootstrap ver was > 11.0 and I got configration made under IOS 12.0, then while booting it said > \'Configuration under 12.0 can\'t be understood...\'. Well, I thought I must > uprgade bootstrap ver but someone said it was hardware problem. > > OK, networkers, I ask you these questions. What is bootstrap? How can I > upgrade bootstrap? Does it have something to do with IOS versrion? If I > upgarde IOS to 12.0 then there might be no such messages? > > And one more thing - If I have flash card in slot0 with 11.0 and same card > in slot1 with 12.0 and boot up the machine, then it reads only 11.0, right? > > Thanks in advance! > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Were to start [1:1433]
You will get many many different opinions on this. Personally, I think the first and second year companion guides from cisco press are very good. They are the books the academy uses and what I used to pass. They start with the perspective that you know nothing. They get deep, so you have to think hard and really try and understand and read the same sentence over and over, but they are good. Some of the study guides for ccna start out in an advanced state, so watch out or you will get discouraged before you get started. Good Luck! Jennifer Cribbs >= Original Message From cmunchers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Could someone give some advise on the best book for a beginer. Also should >I start out with the CCNA, or is there another certification that would >prepare me. Such as A+,MSNE,ect. What is the best thing to do.What is the >best study material. Please help! > >Thanks,Vega > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1&i=1433&t=1433 >-- >You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow >the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html ---- Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson vs. Colt ??????
So, you are attempting to stir things up, is that it?? You are purposely trying to annoy people who want to learn here?? And who are teaching others?? I am not implying this; I am merely stating your own words...How sad that you have no regard for yourself and yet you sign your e-mail...regards... You appear to be full of double talk and disrespect for people you could learn from. Whatever you do, you should go ahead and do it and leave this group to their business and quit trying to get a rise out of people so you can sit and laugh from your chair at home or work or whereever you are. What you do is your own business, but someone who has no regards for themselves needs to work on that issue and try and find some happiness in their lives that is not based on the opinions or thoughts of another. We only have to live with ourselves and our own self-respect. Without that, I would think someone would have a pretty miserable existance. I am not saying anything about the rightness or the wrongness of supplying codes or whatever. That is not my issue. That's a personal thing that shouldn't concern anyone but yourself and who you do your business with. But the way you are going about things appears to be based on some other motive like "trying" to get a rise out of people", who probably have better things to do than waste their time replying to someone such as the likes of you. I just happen to have more time on my hands Jennifer Cribbs Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > WEll WELL WELL.what a hornet`s nest i have stirred up..(still no > chuck or pris or paul)SORRY guys but the I`s have it with 78 > Mails...wanting it and only 8 Mails condeming it . > > You give me one good reson not to and i won`t > > By the way you can find it yourself it`s on the webBabY!!! (quick > clue). > > regards > > steve (no personal regard for anyone but ME) > > > >From: \"Gautam Gupta\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ?? > >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:08:59 +0530 > > > >Hi stephen > >i dont mind > > > >Gautam > > > >Stephen Skinner wrote: > > > > > I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack for ALL the > > > BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE. > > > > > > anybody!.. > > > > > > Sorry priscilla > > > > > > >From: \"John Huston\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: \"John Huston\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ?? > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0600 > > > > > > > >Buy all of the Boson tests for the subject test that you are going to > >take > > > >test your knowledge. The COLT tests are poorly written but will help > >you > > > >with the \"flavor\" of the actual Cisco certification exam. > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > >\"\"Rah Sta\"\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Which practice exams are better for CCNP, Boson or Colt? Example: > >BCRAN > > > > > Opinions appreciated. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raheem > > > > > _ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >_ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the url of the COLT tests?
Good Morning! I have been doing a search for the colt tests and I can't seem to find out anything on these. Does anyone know the url where these tests are located? Thanks in advance.. - Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson vs. Colt ??????
That is a wonderful analogy...and it also reminds of some very basic rules in probably every zoostay away from the bars and don't antagonize the animals or tap on the glassunless you want to suffer the consequenses of an angry animal. I actually had another e-mail telling me much the same thing as you in a different way and I thank you both. I was extremely shocked when I read Mr.Skinner's e-mail. Perspective is a funny thing sometimes BUT I feel back on track now. I admit it was hurtful though, probably due to it's unexpectedness. Sincerely, Jennifer Cribbs Cthulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jennifer, > > Apologies for Mr. Skinner's personal attack; it was uncalled for, and I was > angered when I read it. Please do not take Mr. Skinner's remarks to heart; > after reading this message, you will feel some measure of sympathy for him. > > I recently tracked him to his current location at the Lower Primate House at > a well-known zoo. Mr. Skinner was hooting and hollering with the his > comrades, but took the time out to talk to me about his post. > > He explained that in addition to his tire swing, they had also given him an > Internet Device, and he figured out how to reach groupstudy.com. > Incidentally, he found it while searching for www.tireswingmates.com. He > also found the Boson crack that he spoke of; he was no aware that he went > beyond mere offense with his post. I knew that if I used "big words" , he > would not understand why it was wrong, so I choose an analogy he could > understand: tires. > > I expained that what he had done was akin to stealing the tires from the > truck that delivered his bananas, and giving them to the arrogant chimpanzes > the next cage over.He got excited until I explained that his bananas was > still coming. I told by that while giving can be a nice thing, he should > make sure he owned what he gave away, and that he would hurt himself and his > species in the long wrong because without the "tires", the bananas would not > get delivered. See, by taking the tires without paying, he reduced the > incentive of the tire company to produce tires, and in fact, cuts into their > capital and ability to make more tires. The end result is that the tire > company could go bankrupt, and the world would be short of tires...and tire > swings. > > I think Mr. Skinner now understands, but I am not sure. When I left, he was > fling dung at the tourists, and hooting. He was also pounding on his > internet device with his buttocks, so I imagine a heated post will soon > follow. > > HTH, > > Charles > > > > > > > ""Stephen Skinner"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > do you know ,you have "i need a MAN" as clear a day Printed on your > > forehead... > > > > BTW it appears someone beat me to it..nevermind hey..Maybe boson > > will update there protection now hey!!! > > > > > > love and kisses ..steve > > > > >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Cisco Group Study > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ?? > > >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:54:54 - > > > > > >So, you are attempting to stir things up, is that it?? You are purposely > > >trying to annoy people who want to learn here?? And who are teaching > > >others?? > > >I am not implying this; I am merely stating your own words...How sad that > > >you > > >have no regard for yourself and yet you sign your e-mail...regards... > > > > > >You appear to be full of double talk and disrespect for people you could > > >learn from. Whatever you do, you should go ahead and do it and leave > this > > >group to their business and quit trying to get a rise out of people so > you > > >can sit and laugh from your chair at home or work or whereever you are. > > > > > >What you do is your own business, but someone who has no regards for > > >themselves needs to work on that issue and try and find some happiness in > > >their lives that is not based on the opinions or thoughts of another. We > > >only have to live with ourselves and our own self-respect. Without that, > I > > >would think someone would have a pretty miserable existance. > > > > > >I am not saying anything about the rightness or the wrongness of > supplying > > >codes or whatever.
Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread
Hello, I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy of it for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX. The only thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation that was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone is familiar with. I would also like to please ask people not to reply to anything else Mr.Skinner says about me. It does not matter. I am not responding anymore. I thank everyone for the support. I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where this could possibly occur. I like this group, and I hope I will continue to like it. I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will remember. Thank you, Jennifer Cribbs --- Good Afternoon, I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention. I am enclosing a thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for someone to read. There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the digest from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or something similiar. Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three people and so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for Mr.Skinner's reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this. My first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to apologize for anyone else's e-mail. Noone is responsible for their actions except that person. This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is taking up good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this groupstudy. And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he sent, which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is saying he is here to play games with people. Anyone can be tempted, especially if their finances might be in trouble. Even for a $30.00 Boson test. But is this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on with no repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn. He is trying to get a rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic principles of honesty and intregrity. And he has insulted me, and my husband! I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle this properly and promptly. I would very much like a reply to this please and would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance of any further actions regarding this. I feel a public post would be appropriate in this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not done, since many are upset. I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of response to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it?? This is a very real problem. I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker. I have never been labeled as such and would hate to give that impression, but I don't know what to do or how to handle this Thank you, Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ======= -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: subnetting and tcp/ip
Ok, here we go... We will start with basics...all network addresses end in 0. Whether they have 1,2,3 zero's depends on whether it is a class A, a class B, or a class C network address... class A 0-127, which is x.0.0.0 , as long as the x, is between 0-127, it is a class A "network address". class B 127-191, which is x.x.0.0, as long as the "first x" is between 127-191, it is a class B "network address." class C 192-223, which is x.x.x.0, as long as the "first x" is between 192-223, it is a class C "network address." You don't need to worry about class D or E. They are for experimental purposes and they have the first number set in access of 223. Network addresses are assigned by internic to companies and whether the companies get a class A, B, or C depends on the size of the network and availability . Gov agencies usually have A's. Very large corps. usually have a B, and everything else has a C. When companies get their network addresses, they can break them down into private addressing for organization within their companies, and for ease of management. And that's where the other numbers come from that you were referring to. BUT, the address class is determined by the first number, or the first octette. If your number is in binary format, you add it up to figure out what the class is. Do you know how to do that? If not e-mail me. Your address of 172.5.5.0, is a class B with a network address of 172.5.0.0.The 5 in the third octette is from within the company and is the address of one of their subnets and is used by their router to direct traffic to that particular subnet within their company. Routers "out there" in the WAN side of the world only use the network addresses for routing. And you have to know what class it is, in order to determine how many octettes are in the "network address" . An address of 192.5.4.3 has a network address of 192.5.4.0, because it is a class C, and therefore is of the form x.x.x.0 The 4 addresses you have: 130.5.32.0 130.5.64.0 130.5.160.0 130.5.224.0 All these addresses come from the same network, because their network address is 130.5.0.0. It is a class B of the form x.x.0.0 The other numbers direct the traffic to different, specific parts of that network within the private company that has the network number 130.5.0.0. Those other numbers are derived from by a process known as subnetting and that's a different lesson. Good Luck! Jennifer Cribbs == 1/15/01 4:14:37 PM, "Paver, Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Am studying tcp/ip now, and have a couple of questions (believe me, this is >the basics for you guys!) Im reading a tutorial on the web, and still am a >little confused. I need someone to go line by line with me, please! In >return, Ill give you a cookie :> Take the following: > >1. I have a network, ip address 130.5.0.0 (why is it 0.0)? Do all network >#s end in 0? And for Class B to have the network address, must it be >x.x.0.0? Cant I have something like 172.5.5.0? I understand 130, for class >b, but where did they get 5 from? > >2. Next I have the list of ips on my network, per pc (or device). Such as >: > >130.5.32.0 >130.5.64.0 >130.5.160.0 >130.5.224.0 > >So, are they on the same network or not? I know that each pc must have its >unique host--I dont want you guys to think Im that basic with this; yes Im >weak, but I do know that with class b its network.network.host.host--> So, >the host id seems to be on the same network while the host is having a >dfferent id. I just get confused when I read a class B and think, which >parameter has to be changed? The 3rd octect ONLY or the 4th as well. > >_____ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Have a Great Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: subnetting and tcp/ip and Private addressing Help!
There is such a thing as private addressing where you can have any address you want, but you usually have something set up at the router that dynamically assigns you an address space when you leave your network, such as out in the internet world. That way you remain legal... And the addressing within your network is your own business then. I do not know how this actually works, but I do know this is an option. I think I read something about NAT providing this service. The group would know about this. I do not. Chuck is a good one to ask on this issue... The question is how come someone can have a class a address that internic did not assign. Anybody?? Jen Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: subnetting and tcp/ip my correction...and comment
;address of >>192.5.4.3 has a network address of 192.5.4.0, because it is a class C, and >>therefore is of the form x.x.x.0 >> >>The 4 addresses you have: >> >>130.5.32.0 >>130.5.64.0 >>130.5.160.0 >>130.5.224.0 >> >>All these addresses come from the same network, because their network >>address is 130.5.0.0. It is a class B of the form x.x.0.0 The other >>numbers direct the traffic >>to different, specific parts of that network within the private company >>that has the network number 130.5.0.0. Those other numbers are derived >>from by a process >>known as subnetting and that's a different lesson. >> >>Good Luck! >>Jennifer Cribbs > > >Hope this helps. > >Craig > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://cio.cisco.com/warp/public/701/3.html ip addressing link for beginners
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To Craig
Craig, All that came out all wrong. I am apologizing for acting like a "b". I am over sensative right now because of the things that happened last week on this site. I really did come across in a bad way. You didn't do anything wrong or say anything wrong, but I did. Sincerely, Jennifer Cribbs Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: RE: subnetting and tcp/ip my correction...and comment
--- Start of forwarded message --- From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: subnetting and tcp/ip my correction...and comment Date: 1/15/01 11:30:53 PM Yes, thank you, he did in spite of how I behaved.He went into great detail and for that I am grateful. Jennifer 1/15/01 9:01:40 PM, sam adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Did he mention that hellos are multicast to AllSPFRouters (224.0.0.5)? > >Has he already described VLSM to you? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Jennifer Cribbs >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:41 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: subnetting and tcp/ip my correction...and comment > > >Thank you Craig for correcting me. I glad I have it basically correct, >since >all I have is your basic ccna. I have no more knowledge than that. > >As far as all your info you enclosed...who is it for? Me or Charles, who >wanted to know why there are zeros at the end of an network address?? If we >go this way and go into that much detail with him, don't you think you >should >explain first of all to charles what a classful address is and then explain >how that is related to the trailing zeros in answering his questions >regarding >basic network addresses and why they have zeros at the end?? If you also >want >to confuse his "basic" question and tell him about a loopback address, >before >you can explain what a loopback address is, you have to get him to >understand >the concepts of a network address or no point has been made!! And nothing >is >understood. Information when you start out has to build or you never get the >concept and without the conceptual understanding, you fail the test. > >And yes craig, I know that routers base their information on binary numbers >and not numerical numbers, but charles did not ask the question in regards >to >binary numbers. He used his examples from a numerical point of view. And >also, but maybe you don't remember, when you start out, you don't really >cover >multicast and experimental addresses, because it's is overwhelming at times >to >just get the concept of a class b > >Jen >By the way...explain to me what a vlsm network is...from a basic >standpoint.. > > > >>= Original Message From Craig Columbus ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >>Jennifer has it basically correct. See my comments below for corrections. >> >>Craig >> >>At 04:21 PM 1/15/2001 -0600, you wrote: >> >>>Ok, here we go... >>> >>>We will start with basics...all network addresses end in 0. >> >>Sort of true. All *classful* network addresses end in 0, but VLSM networks >>can end in other numbers. For example, it's completely possible to have a >>network address of 200.200.200.64 if there are 2 or more bits of >subnetting. >> >>>Whether they have 1,2,3 zero's depends on whether it is a class A, a class >>>B, or a class C network >>>address... >>>class A 0-127, which is x.0.0.0 , as long as the x, is between >>>0-127, it is a class A "network address". >> >>Actually, 127.x is reserved for loopback. >> >>>class B 127-191, which is x.x.0.0, as long as the "first x" is between >>>127-191, it is a class B "network address." >>>class C 192-223, which is x.x.x.0, as long as the "first x" is between >>>192-223, it is a class C "network address." >>> >>>You don't need to worry about class D or E. They are for experimental >>>purposes and they have the first number set in access of 223. >> >>E is still experimental, but D is multicast and is frequently used. >> >>>Network addresses are assigned by internic to companies and whether the >>>companies get a class A, B, or C depends on the size of the network and >>>availability . >>>Gov agencies usually have A's. Very large corps. usually have a B, and >>>everything else has a C. >> >>Not necessarily true. While there are many large companies with class A >>addresses, most addressing today is classless. It's very common for large >>companies and government agencies to have contiguous blocks of class C >>addresses. So, for lack of a better example, your network allocation may >>be 212.0.0.0/8. >> >> >>>When companies get their network addresses, they can break them down into >>>private addressing for organization within their companies, and for ease >of >>>management. And that'
RE: why is routing needed with VLANs
Questions: So the only reason vlans are implemented then is for a "type of subnet" that controls broadcasts from a layer 2 standpoint and for no other reason other than that. And the benefits would be increased bandwidth for the network since it is a form of broadcast control?? Is that correct? Routers (layer 3 switches) are only necessary when communication between vlans is necessary? And if that is so, routers are unnecessary in this type of network, unless they are there only for the purpose of connecting different vlans in the same network. I am reading the last sentence you wrote and it is confusing to me. "VLAN's that determined membership based on IP address would be a challenging thing to accomplish." In school, I did this..at least I think I did..if I understand you correctly. When you say based on Ip address, do you mean they are implemented at router level based on the ip addresses and that is how membership is determined?? By way of router access lists? And then routed to the correct ports of the switch? Jennifer -Original Message- From: Peter Van Oene [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:08 AM To: Ruben Arias; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: why is routing needed with VLANs To me, there is no concept of a layer three VLAN. If you chose to route IP, you need a router, whether you have dynamic or statically configured broadcast scopes is fully irrelevant. If you are talking about dynamic VLAN membership based on IP address (or protocol for that matter), then I will agree that some level of layer 3 and potentially above awareness is required to identify the address or protocol. However, any such application that I have seen (mostly Xylan) performed this at the switch level. Given most networks are running DHCP, or moving in that direction, VLAN's that determined membership based on IP address would be a challenging thing to accomplish. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 1/18/2001 at 9:21 AM Ruben Arias wrote: >VLANs can be defined by MAC address or IP address. >When MAC address is used, you have a layer 2 VLAN, when IP address is used you have a layer 3 VLAN and a router is needed. >Layer 2 VLANs mostly used for filtering (never done, I supose is a hard work to mantain) > > >Peter Van Oene wrote: > >> Just for clarity, VLAN's are a layer 2 concept and IP is of course a layer 3 (please do not start with the "but what layer is arp again" :) >> >> Despite subnets and VLAN's generally happening on a 1:1 basis in a lot of theoretical and practical discussions, the two concepts are totally unrelated and altogether unaware of each others presence. An IP host will not detect a node is on another VLAN and hence send to the gateway, it will detect a node is on another subnet. It doesn' t really care if the node is in the same broadcast domain or halfway around the world, if its not on the network, its sent via the gateway. This is very strict behavior. Nodes on different IP subnets do not communicate directly in any case without the use of an intermediary, layer 3 device. >> >> VLANs as a concept are of trivial complexity. VLAN membership, particularly dynamic membership along with protocols like 802.1q, ISL, PVST etc that leverage and support VLANs do offer some element of challenge and opportunity for best practise designs. >> >> I just felt that the line between VLANs (broadcast domains) and IP subnets was getting somewhat blurry when it really shouldn't be. >> >> *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >> >> On 1/16/2001 at 10:19 AM Curtis Call wrote: >> >> >Keep in mind that seperate VLANs will be seperate subnets. Which means >> >that by default a host will encapsulate any IP packet destined for a >> >different VLAN within an ethernet packet with a destination MAC address of >> >the default gateway. So a layer 2 switch will never get the chance to try >> >and "switch" between VLANs since everytime a host needs to get to a >> >different VLAN (subnet) it will just send a packet to the router which is >> >on the same VLAN in order for it to be routed. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>-Original Message- >> >>From: Bob Vance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:35 AM >> >>To: CISCO_GroupStudy List (E-mail) >> >>Subject: why is routing needed with VLANs >> >> >> >> >> >>OK. >> >>I must be brain dead, today. >> >>(and, yes, Chuck, I *have* had my morning dose of Diet Coke :) >> >> and, yes, I know, "What's so special about 'today' "? >> >>) >> >>As far I can understand it so far, about the only benefit that I see >> >>from VLANs is reducing the size of broadcast domains. >> >> >> >>Suppose that I have a switch in the closet with one big flat address >> >>space (well, it couldn't be that big with only one switch, now, could >> >>it ?>). Then someone says, >> >> "You know, we're getting a lot of blah-blah broadcast traffic. >> >>Le
Re: why is routing needed with VLANs
e* had my morning dose of Diet Coke :) >> >> and, yes, I know, "What's so special about 'today' "? >> >>) >> >>As far I can understand it so far, about the only benefit that I see >> >>from VLANs is reducing the size of broadcast domains. >> >> >> >>Suppose that I have a switch in the closet with one big flat address >> >>space (well, it couldn't be that big with only one switch, now, could >> >>it ?>). Then someone says, >> >> "You know, we're getting a lot of blah-blah broadcast traffic. >> >>Let's VLAN. >> >> " >> >>OK, fine. We VLAN and put whatever services in each VLAN that are >> >>required to handle the broadcasts (e.g., DHCP service). So, now the >> >>switch doesn't send broadcasts outside a particular VLAN. >> >> >> >>But, what's so magic about a VLAN that the switch also decides not to >> >>send unicasts outside a VLAN. Before the VLANs, the switch maintained >> >>a MAC table and knew which port to go out to get to any unicast address >> >>in the entire space. So, why can't it continue to do that after we >> >>arbitrarily implement some constraint on broadcast addresses? >> >>It seems to me that the same, exact MAC table, with an additional VLAN >> >>field would not require that restriction. If it's a broadcast, send = >> >>the >> >>packet only out ports with a VLAN-id that matches the source port's >> >>VLAN-id. If it's a unicast, handle it just like we used to. >> >> >> >> >> >>Similarly, even if we have 5 switches, I just don't see the requirement >> >>that we (as switch-code designers) must block unicasts and resort to a >> >>routing requirement. >> >> >> >>Even with 500 switches ... well, let's not get ridiculous :) >> >> >> >> >> >>I feel that there is a simple point that I've overlooked, so I will >> >>continue to RTFM while I await your responses.>) >> >> >> >> >> >>- >> >>Tks=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 | <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>BV=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0 | <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Sr. Technical=A0Consultant,=A0 SBM, A Gates/Arrow Co. >> >>Vox 770-623-3430=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A011455 Lakefield Dr. >> >>Fax 770-623-3429=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Duluth, GA 30097-1511 >> >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >> >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >> >>=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_ >> >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>_____ >> >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >_ >> >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> --- >> Peter A. van Oene >> Juniper Networks Inc. >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Peter A. van Oene Juniper Networks Inc. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1 point short
>I >>feel more prepared than before. I'll repost this afternoon. >> >>Charles >> >> >>"Eric Gunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > I was so nervous about taking the test I only slept 3 hours last = >night. >>The >> > test isn't too bad and looking back on it I feel I over analyzed = >many of >> > the questions and a handful had me stumped. >> > >> > 1 question just cost me $200 :), Well I am going to try the exam = >again >> > tomorrow if I sleep well, can find the answers to about 10 = >questions=20 >>that >> > stumped me(For safe measure) and can get a seat. >> > >> > Thanks everyone for the help, >> > >> > I may have some questions for the group later if I can not find = >some >> > answers I am looking for. >> > >> > >> > -Eric >> > >> > _ >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to = >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:=20 >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) SWB
crap. I found the more my department grew, the less >> > > > > fun I was >> > > > > having because I wasn't really doing the hands on that got me >> > > > > there. >> > > > > >> > > > > Also, over the years, I have come to believe that good >> > > > > technology skills are >> > > > > not necessary a part of good management skills. >> > > > > >> > > > > In other words, when I see a post like this, I still ask myself >> > > > > - how >> > > > > necessary is it for the manager to be the ultimate expert on >> > > > > the technical >> > > > > aspects of the job? I.e. the manager is the CCIE and the >> > > > > department is >> > > > > CCNP's and CCNA's. to be truthful, I begin to get the feeling >> > > > > that this may >> > > > > be somewhat inverted, in terms of best use of the skill set. >> > > > > >> > > > > Anyone? >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> Message Posted at: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=3&i=1009&t=982 >> -- >> To unsubscribe from the Jobs list, send a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: >> unsubscribe jobs >> > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=3&i=1075&t=982 >-- >To unsubscribe from the Jobs list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: >unsubscribe jobs Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982]
You know Raymond...I have never even worked in networking...I just got my CCNA. My head is swelling "For a prizewhen I am a ccie, I want a job." This is great....hehehe Jennifer Cribbs >= Original Message From Raymond Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >SWB =)They are owned by SBC communications and ding ding ding! You are >correct! What do you want as a prize?? ;-) > >Raymond Thomas >Senior Executive Consultant >Concepts In Staffing Inc. >9 East 37th Street 2nd Floor >New York, N.Y. 10016 > >(212) 293-4458 direct (212) 652-0805 fax >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:12 PM >To: Raymond Thomas >Subject: RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982] > > >My guess is SWB, maybe out of canada. But I definitely think SWB... > >Jennifer > > > >>= Original Message From Raymond Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>Everybody, check some archive articles on Cisco and partnership and you >will >>see who is the largest reseller of Cisco equipment and Cisco powered >>Networks. It is not IBM, even though they are also a client of ours ;-) >> >>Raymond Thomas >>Senior Executive Consultant >>Concepts In Staffing Inc. >>9 East 37th Street 2nd Floor >>New York, N.Y. 10016 >> >>(212) 293-4458 direct (212) 652-0805 fax >>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:46 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982] >> >> >>Since this is probably based on $$$ I would guess IBM Global Services >> >> wrote in message >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >>> People! >>> I can't believe you don't know this one...it's a giveaway. Cisco's >#1 >>> Gold partner has to be one of two companies...Nortel Networks or >>Juniper!!! >>> Where else would they need 43 CCIE's to fix all the problems with their >>> products? It's simple. Hehehe, sorry, guess that's just some Friday >humor. >>> On >>> the serious side. I would guess that it was an ISP so I'm gonna go with >>> Sprint as being the #1 largest. Just an educated guess though. So what's >>the >>> answer Raymond? =) >>> >>> Mark Z. >>> >>> In a message dated 1/11/01 11:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>> >>> >>> > Hmm, SBC has a bunch of CCIEs. There's an SBC CCIE in JAX who's really >>> > sharp, almost as sharp as me ;-p >>> > >>> > -s >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >>> > Raymond Thomas >>> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:26 AM >>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Subject: RE: Any Network Managers out there? [3:982] >>> > >>> > >>> > Not them either! >>> > >>> > RT >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Dennis >>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: 1/11/01 10:43 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Any Network Managers out there? [3:982] >>> > >>> > definately not one of those. >>> > maybe Equant or BANI or NEC >>> > >>> > >>> > "sfbayer" wrote in message >>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >>> > > Who's Cisco's largest gold partner? Lucent? IBM? ATT? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > "Raymond Thomas" wrote in message >>> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >>> > > > Funny thing, >>> > > > >>> > > > I have the s
RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982]
Thanks Jim for those wonderfully encouraging words. I'll guess I'll just keep the classical music going on then...eh... Jen >= Original Message From Jim Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Jennifer, when you get those little 4 numbers and CCIE# in front of them. >YOU CAN DEMAND your job at YOUR PRICE. (within reason) Cisco don't play >that, no Homey the clown CCIE's... >now you can go home...I don't care if it's just the first daywe said GO >HOME! o yea thanks for the 1000 bucks. >But...but b.ut don't I get to at least see day two? > >NOPE. GO HOME. > >well I paid for it. > >No you paid for the opportunity to get there once you passed the first day. >you failed to pass the first day. > >It could get ugly but I still believe that when you pass >it'll ALL be worth it. > >Jim > >-Original Message- >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:29 PM >To: Raymond Thomas >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982] > > >You know Raymond...I have never even worked in networking...I just got my >CCNA. My head is swelling > >"For a prizewhen I am a ccie, I want a job." > >This is greathehehe > >Jennifer Cribbs > > >>= Original Message From Raymond Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>SWB =)They are owned by SBC communications and ding ding ding! You are >>correct! What do you want as a prize?? ;-) >> >>Raymond Thomas >>Senior Executive Consultant >>Concepts In Staffing Inc. >>9 East 37th Street 2nd Floor >>New York, N.Y. 10016 >> >>(212) 293-4458 direct (212) 652-0805 fax >>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:12 PM >>To: Raymond Thomas >>Subject: RE: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982] >> >> >>My guess is SWB, maybe out of canada. But I definitely think SWB... >> >>Jennifer >> >> >> >>>= Original Message From Raymond Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>= >>>Everybody, check some archive articles on Cisco and partnership and you >>will >>>see who is the largest reseller of Cisco equipment and Cisco powered >>>Networks. It is not IBM, even though they are also a client of ours ;-) >>> >>>Raymond Thomas >>>Senior Executive Consultant >>>Concepts In Staffing Inc. >>>9 East 37th Street 2nd Floor >>>New York, N.Y. 10016 >>> >>>(212) 293-4458 direct (212) 652-0805 fax >>>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:46 PM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: Re: #1 Gold (was: Any Network Managers out there?) [3:982] >>> >>> >>>Since this is probably based on $$$ I would guess IBM Global Services >>> >>> wrote in message >>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >>> People! >>> I can't believe you don't know this one...it's a giveaway. Cisco's >>#1 >>> Gold partner has to be one of two companies...Nortel Networks or >>>Juniper!!! >>> Where else would they need 43 CCIE's to fix all the problems with their >>> products? It's simple. Hehehe, sorry, guess that's just some Friday >>humor. >>> On >>> the serious side. I would guess that it was an ISP so I'm gonna go with >>> Sprint as being the
Fiber Optic
Well, it's 4:43am and I have a question Does anyone know the benefits pro or con of getting a Lev 1 COEI cert in fiber optics? I am seriously thinking about attending a 3 week long school. Suggestions Comments Thanks, Jen Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fiber Optic
It is in Harrison, Ark Costs $1000.00. It actually last for 3.5 weeks, and the instructor guarantees different corporations that everyone is trained in FO a certain amt of hrs for employability in this field..Lots of travel is involved however. I have been doing web searches on this cert and nothing turns up. Do you know where I can find info on it? Jenn >= Original Message From "nsamuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Where is this school? And I think that the future is going to be fiber >optices, Sonet, DWDM, ATM are all sonet. In the Fortune 1000 fiber is >becoming a good replacement for T3 and on the ISP side, the OC-3, OC-12, >OC-48 are becoming the way to go. SO I think in term of the Cisco cert it is >not needed (yet?) but in the future I think it would become a necessity. > >Nigel > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Jennifer Cribbs >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:49 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Fiber Optic > > >Well, it's 4:43am and I have a question > >Does anyone know the benefits pro or con of getting a Lev 1 COEI cert in >fiber >optics? I am seriously thinking about attending a 3 week long school. > >Suggestions >Comments > >Thanks, >Jen > > >Have a Good Day!! >Jennifer Cribbs >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA 2 and subnets - Yikes
I just took the ccna test v.2.0 in Dec, and there was NOT a question that discussed ip subnet zero or even one that could be remotely associated with that. The only subnetting questions were very basic. I think I only had one or two questions about subnetting, and if I remember correctly they were along the lines of "If you had this address...162.53.21.12 and you need no more than 126 hosts on this subnet, what mask would you use" and the answer is 255.255.255.128. The subnetting part, IF you understand subnetting, it is the least of your worries. It is very basic and deals with class c, and possibly a class b, but like I said, these are the questions you will breeze through. Make sure you understand the concepts of broadcast and collision domains(VLANS) and router commands and ipx, and access lists as these are covered much more than subnetting. Don't get stuck on one thing. There is not much along the subnetting lines that you are going to half to sit and figure much out. My two sheets of paper I took in with me were still blank when I came out. I just finished the academy and believe it or not, we studied for v.2.0. In out classes, it was still (2^x)-2 for usable subnets. We were taught the first and the last are not used. I am sure there is more than that, but I don't know about that yet but I am understanding the ccna is similiar to kindergarten of routing technology, but as far as your v.2.0 test, I wouldn't worry about those things yet. I didn't see them on my test. The ace busters I had were about telnetting sessions and going back and forth between different sessions, as in what command does that and since we only had the basic telnet command explained, this is one of the questions I missed. Still got an 892, but I guess what I'm saying is you need to concentrate more on the concepts of vlans and domains. The test is conceptual in the true sense of the word. Access list...don't forget to study ipx and access list. That is real important. When are you taking the test? Do you have time for one more study guide? I have a good one if you want to look at it. Good Luck!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bob Vance [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:28 PM To: CISCO_GroupStudy List (E-mail) Subject:RE: CCNA 2 and subnets - Yikes Yikes !!! >For CCNA 2.0 exam x^2 -1 is the correct answer. So, you're saying that subnet -1 (all ones) is assumed to be allowed (which is true for Cisco routers), and subnet 0 is *not*, in the absence an explicit "ip subnet-zero". That's worse than I thought (or better, since it's correct ;>) !!! - Tks| <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BV | <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sr. Technical Consultant, SBM, A Gates/Arrow Co. Vox 770-623-3430 11455 Lakefield Dr. Fax 770-623-3429 Duluth, GA 30097-1511 = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gopinath Pulyankote Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA 2 and subnets For CCNA 2.0 exam x^2 -1 is the correct answer. I did get a question on the similar lines & I answered it based on this, it must be correct since I got a 100% for that topic. ""Bob Vance"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 002d01c08573$2af4e680$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:002d01c08573$2af4e680$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Thanks. > I think that I pretty well understand the technical aspects. > I know that I can use subnet -1 and subnet 0 in a Cisco environment > (with "ip subnet-zero"). > > My question was of a practical nature: > >Does the CCNA 2.0 certification test assume that we can use 0 and -1 >or does it assume that we cannot. > > E.g., if encountered on the CCNA 2.0 cert test, what is the answer to > the following question: > >Given the Class C network, 192.168.1.0, what mask is needed to >provide for 7 subnets? > > The "real" answer (in the sense of what could be configured on the Cisco > routers and irrespective of any restrictions that hosts on those subnets > might have) would be 255.255.255.224, even without "ip subnet-zero". > > The CCNA 1.0 answer would have been > > 255.255.255.240 > > What is the answer expected by CCNA 2.0 ? (Or maybe they scrupulously > avoid those particular questions :) > > And, as I said, the ICND book still subtracts 2. > > - > Tks | <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BV | <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sr. Technical Consultant, SBM, A Gates/Arrow Co. > Vox 770-623-3430 11455 Lak
access lists
i am making a odd/even access list which includes 2 vlans. If even can access anywhere and odd can only access odd, do my switches need to have an odd ip address or does it matter? [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
isbn#'s
What are the isbn number's for all bscn, bcmsn, bcran and the cid test from cisco press please? i am having trouble locating these. thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccnp studies
I am getting ready to study for the ccdp without formal classroom study. Could someone please let me know or offer suggestions as to the specific books that I need to purchase for this.What I would actually like to know is the names of the actual books that the formal classrooms use offered by the cisco academy for the ccnp curriculum. Those are the ones I would like to purchase. Any help in this would be much appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
I can only speak for myself, and as someone just starting out from the standpoint of alot of you guys, that response will make me think before asking what i would consider a valid question. And is validity assessed by what you all connsider valid, or what I consider valid based on the knowledge I have acquired so far??? We all learn at different rates and all have different knowledge and I personally read the reply and what prompted the reply. Is it up to anyone to judge the seriousness or the study habits of another and actually criticize??? Being an e-mail group and filled with people trying from all levels to suceed, I feel all questions are valid. Granted, some of his questions were a little pointed and needed more research on his part, butI refuse to put myself in the position of causing a failure or success of any individual based on what type of day I am having. I think there are probably plenty of people who fail and all based on their own merits, without anyone else's help to push them in that direction. But on the other side of that coin, to encourage someone and to help them succeed and by offering genuine help, would also refresh every ones memory in basic concepts which harms noone, and hurts noone's feelings. And that is a very important factor. And the last thing, I enjoy reading all responses and all questions, as this in itself is usually a learning experience which I consider beneficial. Heated responses dampen then. Absolutely no benefit is served. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Robert Borejszo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Way to go Adrian Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together. > >Robert > >"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Gee... must have been a really bad day huh? Can't say I disagree with >> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people waiting >> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out >> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made without >any >> hope of succeeding. >> >> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens who >> have no idea what they're in for next. If you ask me, having finished >your >> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to >come! >> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience, practice, >> study - and most important of all - TIME! And if you contrast it to elite >> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta >> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding. >> >> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools such >> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a >lot >> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands a >> decent shot at it. Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by just >> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say 20% >> of job over 2 years in some network admin position). The CCIE written >> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some topics. >> >> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of >> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never be >> the sharpest engineer out there. For those people who are starting out >and >> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line for >> you. For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice, before >you >> embark for the CCIE. I have a friend who started out more than two years >> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is >holding >> off the lab - he knows he's not ready. And that's not to say he's not >> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in his >> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend >doing >> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab. >> >> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone. Unfortunately the hype has >> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the race. >> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite >> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass the >> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it >(hehe!). >> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth >> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cis
RE: !H
It means the destination network is unreachable due to an access list on a router somewhere along the way. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm > >I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >stations and map it out. > >Jim > > >-Original Message- >From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >Subject: RE: !H > >Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >destination >HOST?? > >-Original Message- >From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >To: Jason yee >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: !H > > >destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network > >Jason yee wrote: > >> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >> traceroute results >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- >___ >«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ > >Richard Bosire >Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >http://www.africaonline.co.ke > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H not a complete answer
This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. and that is correct. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm > >I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >stations and map it out. > >Jim > > >-Original Message- >From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >Subject: RE: !H > >Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >destination >HOST?? > >-Original Message- >From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >To: Jason yee >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: !H > > >destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network > >Jason yee wrote: > >> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >> traceroute results >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- >___ >«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ > >Richard Bosire >Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >http://www.africaonline.co.ke > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H !H !H!H
On the traceroute command: !H is returned 3 times if an access list prevents a router from forwarding the packet to the HOST. The 'trace' command is used to determine the route taken to a remote host. All the hops are shown as the trace probe moves toward the destination. Three probes are issued. The response time of each probe will be displayed if successful. The trace command returns a N if the network is unreachable. The P is the response if the protocol is unreachable. An * is a timeout. !H is the return for what I said above but it is regarding a traceroute command, and not a ping. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >I thought !A meant this path is blocked by an access list. > >-Original Message- >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer > > >This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path >prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. > >and that is correct. > >Jennifer Cribbs >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm >> >>I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >>stations and map it out. >> >>Jim >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >>To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >>Subject: RE: !H >> >>Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >>destination >>HOST?? >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >>To: Jason yee >>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: !H >> >> >>destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network >> >>Jason yee wrote: >> >>> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >>> traceroute results >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >>> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> _ >>> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>-- >>___ >>«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ >> >>Richard Bosire >>Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >>AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >>tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >>http://www.africaonline.co.ke >> >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H not a complete answer
I thought the original question was in regard to traceroute results and not ping. Look at the original question at the bottom of this page. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Phillip Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >From cisco: > >"If the router receives a datagram which it is unable to deliver to it's >ultimate destination because it knows of no route to the destination >address, it replies to the originator of that datagram with an ICMP Host >Unreachable message." > >An access-list denying icmp echo-requests will simply not permit the >forwarding of icmp echo-requests. From the use of ping, this would be >observed as timeouts rather than "Host Unreachable" or "!H". > >--phil > >| -----Original Message- >| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >| Jennifer Cribbs >| Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:13 PM >| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer >| >| >| This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path >| prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. >| >| and that is correct. >| >| Jennifer Cribbs >| [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >| >| >= Original Message From "Croyle, James" >| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >| >http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm >| > >| >I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >| >stations and map it out. >| > >| >Jim >| > >| > >| >-Original Message- >| >From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >| >To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >| >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >| >Subject: RE: !H >| > >| >Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >| >destination >| >HOST?? >| > >| >-Original Message- >| >From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >| >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >| >To: Jason yee >| >Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >Subject: Re: !H >| > >| > >| >destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network >| > >| >Jason yee wrote: >| > >| >> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >| >> traceroute results >| >> >| >> __ >| >> Do You Yahoo!? >| >> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >| >> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >| >> >| >> _ >| >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >| >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >| >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > >| >-- >| >___ >| >«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ >| > >| >Richard Bosire >| >Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >| >AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >| >tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >| >http://www.africaonline.co.ke >| > >| > >| >_ >| >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >| >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >| >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > >| >_ >| >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >| >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >| >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > >| >_ >| >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >| http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >| >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >| _ >| FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >| http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >| Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H !H !H!H
This is where I am getting my info.. Ref: chapter 8 of Intro to Cisco Router Configuration pages 229-230 It says responses to trace command include: !H The probe was rceived by the router, but not forwarded, usually due to an access list. PThe protocol was unreachable NThe network was unreachable UThe port was unreachable *Timout Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Are you sure? Page 1163 of Cisco IOS Configuration Fundamentals states that >the character A signifies that the destination is "Administratively >Unreachable. Usually, this output indicates that an access list is blocking >traffic." > >-----Original Message- >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:13 PM >To: cisco; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H > > >On the traceroute command: > >!H is returned 3 times if an access list prevents a router from forwarding >the >packet to the HOST. The 'trace' command is used to determine the route >taken >to a remote host. All the hops are shown as the trace probe moves toward >the >destination. Three probes are issued. The response time of each probe will > >be displayed if successful. > >The trace command returns a N if the network is unreachable. >The P is the response if the protocol is unreachable. >An * is a timeout. >!H is the return for what I said above but it is regarding a traceroute >command, >and not a ping. > >Jennifer Cribbs >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>I thought !A meant this path is blocked by an access list. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer >> >> >>This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path >>prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. >> >>and that is correct. >> >>Jennifer Cribbs >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm >>> >>>I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >>>stations and map it out. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >>>To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >>>Subject: RE: !H >>> >>>Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >>>destination >>>HOST?? >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >>>To: Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: Re: !H >>> >>> >>>destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network >>> >>>Jason yee wrote: >>> >>> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >>> traceroute results >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >>> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> _ >>> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>-- >>>___ >>>«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ >>> >>>Richard Bosire >>>Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >>>AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >>>tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >>>http://www.africaonline.co.ke >>> >>> >>>_ >>>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>_ >>>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>_ >>>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H not a complete answer found it, but confused........help chuck!!
First of all, this is very confusing. I have in front of me right now two very different resouces regarding !A and !H. The first is the one I sent and what I learned in school and is the correct answer on exams that I have taken. That was the ref I sent to 'intro to cisco router configuration' that i sent earlier from pages 230, chapter 9, where it states !H means blocked acces to host due to access list. Now, the rest i this is a printing of what i got from cisco command ref on-line and it says exactly what you told me, which was the !A meant a problem with an access list that was adminstratively unreachable. What is really strange about this, it that these two conflicting statements, one saying !H is a reject due to access lists and the other !A means rejected due to access lists are both ciso ref's. My book is cisco press. So what's up with that Did someone goof and maybe a type-o, or are they both correct? As I sit and comptemplate this, the reading in the cisco book, says !H is sent when the PROBE IS RECEIVED but blocked due to an access list. and on line- !A is sent when administratively unreachable due to an access list. !H is sent when host is unreachable. Are these two things the same and one, which I doubt, and if that is the case, what is the differences between the two. I would really like to know and need some imput. Chuck The rest of this I did not write: I copied it from on-line under cisco command ref troubleshooting commands under traceroute. = Table 118: IP Trace Text Characters Char Description nn msec For each node, the round-trip time in milliseconds for the specified number of probes. * The probe timed out. ? Unknown packet type. A Administratively unreachable. Usually, this output indicates that an access list is blocking traffic. H Host unreachable. N Network unreachable. P Protocol unreachable. Q Source quench. U Port unreachable. == Thanks, Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: !H !H !H!H
I found a ref regarding !A a few minutes ago. It is nearly exactly the same as what I had thought about the !H. Is one a misprint maybe, and if not, why do they have two of them, and what is the purpose of two returns that could be the same thing? The only souce I can find on this is on the cisco command ref on-line under troubleshooting commands. It states that !A is returned when a network is administratively unreachable due to an access list. I found that a few minutes ago and Donald I forwarded that to you. However, it implies in my router book the exact same thing regarding !H. What it actually says there, (cisco press) is that the probe is received but not forwarded due to an access list, where !H is received. What is the difference between the two? Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >jennifer when does a trace rt return an A >Duck >- Original Message - >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:13 AM >Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H > > >On the traceroute command: > >!H is returned 3 times if an access list prevents a router from forwarding >the >packet to the HOST. The 'trace' command is used to determine the route >taken >to a remote host. All the hops are shown as the trace probe moves toward >the >destination. Three probes are issued. The response time of each probe will >be displayed if successful. > >The trace command returns a N if the network is unreachable. >The P is the response if the protocol is unreachable. >An * is a timeout. >!H is the return for what I said above but it is regarding a traceroute >command, >and not a ping. > >Jennifer Cribbs >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>I thought !A meant this path is blocked by an access list. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer >> >> >>This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path >>prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. >> >>and that is correct. >> >>Jennifer Cribbs >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm >>> >>>I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >>>stations and map it out. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >>>To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >>>Subject: RE: !H >>> >>>Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >>>destination >>>HOST?? >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >>>To: Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: Re: !H >>> >>> >>>destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network >>> >>>Jason yee wrote: >>> >>> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in >>> traceroute results >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >>> http://calendar.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> _ >>> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>-- >>>___ >>>«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ >>> >>>Richard Bosire >>>Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE >>>AfricaOnline (k) Ltd >>>tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 >>>http://www.africaonline.co.ke >>> >>> >>>_ >>>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>_ >>>FAQ, list ar
RE: !H !H !H!H I GOT IT!! THANKS ALL!
You are correct!! And I have got tons of e-mail regarding this. I stand humbled before everyone. And I do understand. I was just telling my husband about this and he laughed. He is used to me thinking I am always correct. The good thing about this, is that I have learned about !A and !H and I want to thank everyone. The real world is different and you wait guys...I will be there one day. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >jennifer >the reason people are jumping on this is because you stated something and >then on a line under it you said >and that is it or something to that effect. >have you tried it out in the lab environment, that would be the answer not >what is in a book, which are flawed. >Duck >----- Original Message - >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Rossetti, Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; cisco ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:45 AM >Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H > > >This is where I am getting my info.. > >Ref: chapter 8 of Intro to Cisco Router Configuration >pages 229-230 > >It says responses to trace command include: >!H The probe was rceived by the router, but not forwarded, usually due to >an >access list. >P The protocol was unreachable >NThe network was unreachable >UThe port was unreachable >*Timout > >Jennifer Cribbs >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >>= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>Are you sure? Page 1163 of Cisco IOS Configuration Fundamentals states >that >>the character A signifies that the destination is "Administratively >>Unreachable. Usually, this output indicates that an access list is >blocking >>traffic." >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:13 PM >>To: cisco; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H >> >> >>On the traceroute command: >> >>!H is returned 3 times if an access list prevents a router from forwarding >>the >>packet to the HOST. The 'trace' command is used to determine the route >>taken >>to a remote host. All the hops are shown as the trace probe moves toward >>the >>destination. Three probes are issued. The response time of each probe >will >> >>be displayed if successful. >> >>The trace command returns a N if the network is unreachable. >>The P is the response if the protocol is unreachable. >>An * is a timeout. >>!H is the return for what I said above but it is regarding a traceroute >>command, >>and not a ping. >> >>Jennifer Cribbs >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>>= Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>===== >>>I thought !A meant this path is blocked by an access list. >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer >>> >>> >>>This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path >>>prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. >>> >>>and that is correct. >>> >>>Jennifer Cribbs >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>>= Original Message From "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >= >>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm >>> >>>I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several >>>stations and map it out. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) >>>To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM >>>Subject: RE: !H >>> >>>Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the >>>destination >>>HOST?? >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM >>>To: Jason yee >>>Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: Re: !H >>> >>> >>>destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network >>> >>>Jason yee wrote: >>> >>> hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in &g
RE: ICMP Destination Unreachable Codes that says it all!!
Ms Oppenheimer, That is a vast amt of great info and is precisely what I needed to read regarding this subject. It actually explains it all. And puts it in prespective, including Cisco books and their info of which I have learned a little of today. I am not saying that I feel Cisco is bad after reading the below, but I can see that I need to expand my resources of reading to get a better overall understanding instead of a one-sided view. Thanks again, Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >= Original Message From Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Beware of learning the Internet Control Message Protocol (ICMP) just from >Cisco sites. ICMP is specified by the IETF, not Cisco. It's used by all IP >devices, not just Cisco devices. Cisco describes it in variously strange >ways that cannot be trusted. Learn it from the actual specification, which >is RFC 792. Here's the possible values for the code field that accompanies >a Destination Unreachable ICMP message, according to RFC 792: > >0 Network unreachable >1 Host unreachable >2 Protocol unreachable >3 Port unreachable >4 Fragmentation needed and don't-fragment (DF) bit set >5 Source route failed > >It's important to be able to distinguish the difference between not having >a route to a network, which could happen anywhere along the path, and not >being able to forward the packet to the final destination, which only >happens at the last hop. Not having a route would result in a Network >Unreachable which Cisco displays as N. When the last-hop router can't >forward the packet to the end node, the code is Host Unreachable, which >Cisco displays as H. > >Generally what has happened when you see an H is that the final router sent >an ARP to try to forward the packet, didn't get a response, and sent back >to the source an ICMP Destination Unreachable, code = Host Unreachable. >Other situations can result in H, but this is the usual case. > >Updated ICMP codes are listed in RFC 1700, the Assigned Numbers RFC. RFC >1700 adds some new codes that allow a router to be more specific in >describing the routing or forwarding problem. Administratively Prohibited >codes (which Cisco displays as A) are in this NEW list. That's why there's >some argument about it. Older implementations of ICMP don't use the A >codes. Administrative (i.e. security or access list) blocks could happen >anywhere in the path or at the end node. So you could see A instead of N or H. > >Here's the new list of codes, according to RFC 1700: > >0 Network Unreachable >1 Host Unreachable >2 Protocol Unreachable >3 Port Unreachable >4 Fragmentation Needed and Don't Fragment was Set >5 Source Route Failed >6 Destination Network Unknown >7 Destination Host Unknown >8 Source Host Isolated >9 Communication with Destination Network is Administratively Prohibited >10 Communication with Destination Host is Administratively Prohibited > >Priscilla > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >http://www.priscilla.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good Free Book Link [7:602]
Have a great day! J Cribbs Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=602&t=602 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.intelinfo.com/free_computer_books.html (free [7:669]
I posted the link in the subject. I know my mail is going through, but the links seem to be ommitted. Don't know why. Jenn Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=669&t=669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ip config on 5000 switch [7:2008]
I have a question: Which way is better to configure your 5000 switch for ip configuration for vlan2 ? should you first just configure it using the standard commands of: set int sc0 172.16.10.17 255.255.255.0 and then change that to vlan2 or simply: set int sc2 172.16.10.17.255.255.255.0 The book i am looking at suggests using vlan1 for management purposes only and then setting users up on other vlans. But at the same time, it shows the configuration for vlan2 first being set up on vlan1..(sybex switching, pg 70 and 71). I guess my question is, where does the inital configuration take place, where you want that address to be or on the default vlan?? Thanks, Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2008&t=2008 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Typo [7:2011]
It is actually: set int sc0 2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx xxx.xxx.xxx.0 [will this work??] or set int sc0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx xxx.xxx.xxx.0 [and then .set int sc0 2] Confused, Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2011&t=2011 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
study materials [7:5122]
Hello, Here is my comment. I am getting ready to very shortly take my switching exam as I nearly feel prepared. (maybe 1-2 weeks more). I have quite a few pages and notes I have comprised for the 504 test that someone else might could use that might prove helpful to them. I have a tendancy to organize things differently than the average Joe. I have charts I have made and material compiled on different subjects geared toward my reading ease and how I best comprehend subject material. Things embed themselves better in my own mind if I write them down, so this is something I do alot. As soon as I pass my test using my own notes, I will be glad to send it to someone else to use if anyone is interested. It is not HOT or anything like that. It is just my stuff that I made. Nothing purchased and nothing is copywrited. I am not on the mailing list anymore and I got tired of being slammed and having porn mailed to me. But...I am still working on certs. I think routing will be next. Jennifer Cribbs Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5122&t=5122 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
replication of transmission frames [7:5767]
I have a question. I have taken several practice exams and I have found two answers to the same question. I have searched my sybex book and it is either not there or I am looking in the wrong place, so I need help. question: The transmission method in which frames are replicated are: I had always thought this was multicast, but last night a practice test gave the answer of unicast. help, help help... I cannot find the correct answer. I will check this after work today. Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5767&t=5767 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SOrry, an MS Question,,,Had no choice [7:5880]
Anytime I uninstall programs by whatever means, I also go to the reg and
delete all leftover entries. There is usually something there. What I
usually do, before I unistall something, is first go to the program itself
and
look at it's properties and copy down the version, manu, and any other name
information that I can find under the *.exe file.
Then I unistall and run regedit.
Then all the info I have gathered about possible entries, I click on the tab
and then select .
I start at the top of local machine and run the find command through the
entrie string of local machine. If it locates an entry, I look and see if
it
is a directory or a sub directory listing. If it is an entire directory, I
delete the directory from the left side of the screen. If it is a sub
entry,
I delete the individual listing from the right side so there won't be any
conflict with other programs which obviously in this case...several things
are
using whatever in in that directory. It just so happens that the program I
am
deleting is one of them.
And that's all.
But if I misunderstood you and you are talking about the icons in the lower
right side of your screen only, you can also go to start, programs and
startup
{which is a sys file and you can't delete}, you can delete all the
individual
programs from there. Usually, the only thing I have there is zone alarm
which
on my computer activates at startup. Icons in this area only slow down the
boot process as they are actively running programs and initilize during the
boot process ever time you turn your computer on. They slow things down and
are totally unnecessary. Nearly ever program that is installed gives you an
option of whether you want a shortcut placed in the start menu. I always
choose no and if it just does it, I go delete it.
And speaking of shortcuts, my computer also has 98se and 2k on it. Since
most
98 programs and 2k programs are placed in the same programs folder on
install,
[my computer, c-drive, program files], you can shortcut those to both
systems.
The ones that are in seperate folders, just look and try them out. Look in
your windows and your winnt folders and see what's there. If it doesn't
work,
delete the shortcut. It won't effect the program. Sometimes you might find
that a 98 program would run if it had the correct driver under 2k. But it
would have to be a driver that is compatible with both file systems. nt and
fat32 are totally different. And that is the neat thing about 2k. I do not
have my drive partitioned off. I have one very large drive that has fat32
on
it. But, when I install programs when running 2k, it recognizes nt and alot
of the drivers are not compatible with the 98 programs. There is a special
area of 2k that allows you to install the drivers for 98 or 95 to run your
98/95 programs on the 2k desktop. Some work and some don't.
I love both file systems. The clusters in fat16 have alot of wasted space
with them being 64k. Fat32 allows for 4k clusters. The NTFS is similiar to
the fat32, except that it has better security like an nt system and also has
recoverability. Which is awsome.
I think I am rattling now. Way too much info.
Can't help you with the other stuff though.
Jennifer Cribbs
>= Original Message From "John Brandis" =
>Sorry for this crap,,,
>
>Has anybody removed Programs from the Start menu in doze 2k via either the
>Reg or GPE ?
>
>I can do it myself by removing the folders in the profiles directory, but is
>there another way..
>
>To even things out, Here is a cisco FIX I come across
>
>A bug in IOS 12.x.x,,that referred to NAT...Once every 20 days on my
network,
>the router would crash and fill up the flash with the crashinfo logs.The
>problem, so cisco say was that the 1720 router does not handle NAT very well
>in that particular version of the IOS
>Resolution, upgrade to the beta IOS that cisco released for the 1720
>
>Sorry for the MS rubbish but can I get an answer
>
>John
>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
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Jenn
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RE: replication of transmission frames...found answer [7:5924]
Cisco press book ( ISBN 1-57870-093-0)Page 323 Multicast. Jenn >= Original Message From Jennifer Cribbs = >I have a question. > >I have taken several practice exams and I have found two answers to the same >question. > >I have searched my sybex book and it is either not there or I am looking in >the wrong place, so I need help. > >question: The transmission method in which frames are replicated are: > >I had always thought this was multicast, but last night a practice test gave >the answer of unicast. > >help, help help... > >I cannot find the correct answer. I will check this after work today. > >Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5924&t=5924 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
renaming vlans question [7:5954]
I have two books in front of me. One is cisco press switching cert guide by tim boyles and the other is sybex switching. I have been reading and comparing the topic in both books of creating or renaming vlans. Notice I did not say creating and renaming. I am seeing this as two separate things. As far as renaming existing vlans, is this correct? The question I am asking myself is could I rename vlans if vtp is already configured? And I found out,,, yes I can if the mode is transparent. This is in the cisco book page 120, where it says that vlans can be created, deleted or renamed while in this mode. But is that all or is there more? I can't locate anymore info on this. What got me started on this is a simple note inset in the cisco book. It talks about transparent mode on page 115 and then on page 120, it lists the same things but has added the element of renaming vlans. So, I am searching for info. And since I am renaming and not creating, can I not also do this from server mode? If someone could direct me to a source to read about this, I would appreciate it. I plan on taking this test next week and there are a few things I am just not clear on and so I am comparing books and topics. I think I am getting carried away with too much thinking. I probably need a break but not yet. So, any feedback on this question would be appreciated. Thank you, Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5954&t=5954 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A suggestion when posting answers to questions. [7:6042]
I, for one, think that is an excellent idea. I read this site more than post, but I had to reply to this. Many times when reading something here, I wish there was just a little more information than what was given. It is hard to learn without some source. Jenn C >= Original Message From "Chris Rock" = >Can I make a suggestion that might help to improve the usefulness of this >site? > >If someone is going to post an answer to a question on this web site, can >they make sure that they post a reference where one can look up the answer / >explanation? > >I've seen a number of answers to questions that either weren't correct, or >missed the key points that are needed to understand the issue. > >If we post a reference to either a web page (Cisco TAC), or a page in a book >(ie Comer Vol 1, pgs 120 - 125), we can garner enough material to truly >understand the associated topic instead of just memorizing an answer that >may or may not be correct. > >Thanks > >Chris >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6051&t=6042 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scheduled test [7:6231]
It is now official. My switching exam is scheduled for tuesday the 12th at 9:00. I have absolutely no idea why I am posting this, except to help pacify my nerves maybe??? Jennifer Cribbs (the one who is driving her husband nuts right now) Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6231&t=6231 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: scheduled test [7:6231]
I guess I do fit into that catagory.and.. Thanks for the support Chuck. Will post results after test...I better get that ear cotton ready for the long drive to the testing site. Jenn >= Original Message From "Chuck Larrieu" = >You silly, wives drive their husbands nuts all the time no matter what. >Nature of the beast. :-> > >Knock 'em dead, Jenn. > >Chuck > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >Jennifer Cribbs >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:06 AM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: scheduled test [7:6231] > >It is now official. My switching exam is scheduled for tuesday the 12th at >9:00. > >I have absolutely no idea why I am posting this, except to help pacify my >nerves maybe??? > >Jennifer Cribbs >(the one who is driving her husband nuts right now) > >Have a great day! >Jenn >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6259&t=6231 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: scheduled test [7:6231]
Thanks.. I was just taking a break right now and checking my mail. I have books, material I have downloaded, practice tests I have downloaded all spread out on the kitchen table studying. I told my husband we might as well plan on this for the next 14 days. It just feels so different than taking the ccna classes in a campus setting. [a little irony in honor of test 504] So, my nerves are on edge a little. I will take your advice and make sure I cover those areas throughly. Jenn ['a studying'"and that "a" is meant to be interpreted as a slang word as spoken from tx, and not in the definitive sense of the word. Another example: "just-a studying.."] >= Original Message From "Michael L. Williams" = >Good luck! Make sure you know MLS and Multicast. > >Later! >Mike W. > >"Jennifer Cribbs" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> It is now official. My switching exam is scheduled for tuesday the 12th >at >> 9:00. >> >> I have absolutely no idea why I am posting this, except to help pacify my >> nerves maybe??? >> >> Jennifer Cribbs >> (the one who is driving her husband nuts right now) >> >> Have a great day! >> Jenn >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6352&t=6231 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: last word: UNIX guys look down on we NT guys [7:6842]
I work with both os's, so here is my two cents. Everyone should calm down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an nt admin. Or for that matter being an Unix admin either. However, for what it's worth, Unix was first and therefore it is alot easier to move from Unix to other operating systems in a job field. If you can understand the Unix language, dos is a breeze. It's an offshoot. However in my experience, just because someone is an NT admin, doesn't necessarily mean they can operate from dos mode. Nt and dos are two entirely different operating systems. However, what what I have seen in my Unix environment, which by the way does not use a gui environment, is much much more challenging. Which I like. === Your quote: I made $240K last year 'cause I >had 10 people working for me and I'll make even more >this year. > >Sorry, I'm not trying to show off here, I'm just >trying to teach some smart UNIX guys a lesson: show >some respect to others. === I certainly don't make the money you make, but, I love my job. It is challenging and a great learning experience. I want respect for the knowledge I have acquired, and not for the amt of $ I make. I like knowing who my real friends are. Respect based strickly from money is nothing. Surely you didn't mean this the way it sounded. Jennifer Cribbs >= Original Message From "Jim Bond" = >Come one man, this is not a sour grape, right? > >I'm not comparing which OS is good, which is bad. >Every OS has pros and cons, what I'm saying is some >guys' attitude. > >What's wrong with being a NT admin? What's wrong with >a NT guy making $240K? I made $240K last year 'cause I >had 10 people working for me and I'll make even more >this year. > >Sorry, I'm not trying to show off here, I'm just >trying to teach some smart UNIX guys a lesson: show >some respect to others. > >By the way, I'm not that smart but I've got MS >Computer Science degree and I speak 2 languages >(English is my second language), so before you call me >looser, tell me what you have. > >Jim > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Christopher Kolp >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:46 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: another OT: why you UNIX guys look down >> on we NT guys? >> [7:6353] >> >> >> Hey NT LOOSER, >> >> Go away. This a cisco mailing list. >> >> Why don't you go study for the MCSE or something... >> >> =] >> >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Jim Bond >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:41 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: another OT: why you UNIX guys look down >> on we NT >> > guys? [7:6323] >> > >> > >> > UNIX guys, >> > >> > I make $240K per year, how much you make? Why you >> guys >> > look down on us??? I don't get it... >> > >> > >> > Jim >> > NT guy >> > >> > __ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great >> prices >> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6930&t=6842 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need a helper to answer four questions [7:6974]
hmm, I didn't know pvc had two modes. I was under the impression that was the only mode as it is a permanently established virtual circuit. So possibly the two modes for a PVC are simply...it's existence or lack of Frame Rely: I believe that frame relay was originally conceived as a protocol for use over isdn interfaces and then somewhere along the line became an industry standard for wan data transfer and was meant to be a replacement for x.25. So, actually, it is the name of a protocol for wan technology and also, it is a protocol type. As far as fully meshed vs partially mashed, I believe that when using frame relay these are your two topology choices. A fully meshed network means that there is a PVC to every device on a multipoint wan. On this type of network, any update is seen by every device and this type can also be thought of as 'one data link.' And a partially meshed network is just a star topology. So, I would think the answer is fully meshed uses more PVC's since there are more established and permanent connections. Someone else can probably help you out in more detail. I am a book learner and do not have actual hands on experience in this. I am not sure about your other question and would hate to misdirect you. Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6982&t=6974 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need a helper to answer four questions [7:6974]
I sure am glad you answered that. It also helped me. Jenn Cribbs >= Original Message From "Doug Lockwood" = >"1. What is the two status on PVC mode ? In SVC, which have three status >(call setup , transfer and call terminate). " > >I have seen 3 on both ATM and Frame Relay: >Active, inactive and deleted. > >Active were circuits that are "up" >Inactive were VC's that were not configured on that router that are >discovered by signaling >Deleted are VC's that are reported down by signaling. > >"2. Frame Relay is a protocol name or protocol type?" >Hard question to answer. >Frame Relay is the name of a Layer 1 and 2 transport protocol for Wide area >networks. It was an upgrade from x.25, designed for higher speed lines with >lower error rates. > >"3. In IPX RIP, if one router is down. The other router will send three time >keep alive packet to the dead router. If no response, this router will >delete from the routing table. How about oin IP RIP?" > >IP and IPX RIP function Similarly. The entire RIP Database is sent every 30 >seconds for IP RIP and every 60 seconds for IPX >RIP. IN IP RIP, if routing updates from a neighboring router have not >arrived within 180 seconds, the routes learned from that router are marked >invalid and the holddown timer of 180 seconds is started. >if no updates arrive in that 180 seconds, the routes are removed from the >routing table. >Note, the "keepalive" is one or more packets that contain the full routing >information of the router. > >"4. What is benefit of partial mesh compare with fully mesh? It will use >less routers or use less virtual circuits ?" > >A partial mesh costs less, compared to a full mesh. It will use the same >number of routers, but less PVC's. Each pvc costs money and adds >complexity. However, if most of the traffic is not destined for the hub, >the hub and spoke adds latency and uses bandwidth on both links. Both >designs are appropriate, depending on the nature of the traffic. > >Hope this helps. > >Doug Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7017&t=6974 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interesting DOS article [7:7272]
That was a very interesting article. I knew things like that went on, but have never had a person experience of such. I liked the detail that was gone into about the solution. I am forwarding the link to friends. Jennifer Cribbs 6/5/2001 9:52:31 PM, "Natasha" wrote: >Somewhat a long read but very enlightening. >The article on Windows XP was just as scary. >Thank you so much Priscilla, I'm going to pass your find on to some >other network folks that could use it. > > >>Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: >> >> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm >> >> Priscilla >> >> >> >> Priscilla Oppenheimer >> http://www.priscilla.com >-- >Natasha Flazynski >CCNA, MCSE >http://www.ciscobot.com >My Cisco information site. >http://www.botbuilders.com >Artificial Intelligence and Linux development > Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7288&t=7272 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406]
Price Jenn > >-Original Message- >From: Denton, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:35 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406] > > >Can anyone tell me what the REAL difference is between a layer3 switch and a >router? > >Jason Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7430&t=7406 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406]
Switches also have less latency than routers. Jenn > > >-Original Message- >From: Denton, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:35 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406] > > >Can anyone tell me what the REAL difference is between a layer3 switch and a >router? > >Jason Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7431&t=7406 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406]
That is a great answer!! That is above and beyond the call of duty and I am printing this and keeping it for future ref. Seriously. That is exactly why I like this group. Thanks, Jennifer Cribbs 6/6/2001 5:09:37 PM, "Michael L. Williams" wrote: >A layer 3 switch, as a previous poster said, is a switch, that has a route >processor (or that can connect to an external router), to perform Layer 3 >functions "at wire speed". But it also has ASICs that performs other >functions that a normal Layer 2 switch doesn't have (as you'll see below). > >"At wire speed" is a fancy way of waying "as fast as a switch normally >switches traffic". > >In the below section, MLS-SE = Multilayer Switching Engine and MLS-RP = >Multilayer Route Processor. > >This is not a mystery nor is it some special voodoo. it's actually an >ingenious process > >1) A frame (ethernet let's say) containing an IP packet comes into a switch >port >2) The MLS-SE actually looks at the Layer 3 information (source/destination >IPs and port numbers) and looks in the MLS cache to see if there is already >an entry for this "flow" (a flow is a single unidirectional conversation >between the source/destination IPs and port #s) >3) If there is not an MLS cache entry, the MLS-SE makes a partial MLS cache >entry using the source/destination IP and port #s and sends the packet to >the MLS-RP (which could be an external router also) >4) The MLS-RP then routes the packet normally and hands the packet with the >rewritten Layer 2 info back to the MLS-SE. >5) The MLS-SE looks in the CAM table to find the port to reach the >destination MAC, uses that information to complete the MLS cache entry with >the proper switch port number, and forwards the packet out the destination >switch port. > >Now for every subsequent packet in that flow (with the same >source/destination IP and port info), the MLS-SE (in step 2 above) will find >the MLS cache entry, rewrite the Layer 2 info, just as if the packet had >been routed by the MLS-RP, and spits it out the destination port. A Layer 3 >switch differs from a regular Layer 2 switch (or even a router) because it >can perfom this "MLS cache lookup and Layer 2 rewrite" on the fly without >delaying the packet anymore than a normal switch, so therefore it's called >wirespeed. The NetFlow Feature Card (NFFC) or NFFC 2 is the hardware that >performs this MLS cache and flow comparison. > >Keep in mind, that a flow is unidirectional. So if 2 computers are >communicating back and forth, the switch will actually have 2 MLS entries (2 >flows), one for the conversation going in each direction. > >The easy way to remember how a Layer 3 switch (Multilayer switch) works is: >"Route once, switch many" > >It's actually a smoking idea that allows switches to take a great burden >from the routers having to route EVERY SINGLE PACKET, as well as giving the >appearance that this "routing" (which is truly being bypassed after the >first packet) is happening at wirespeed. Kudos to whomever thought this up! > >Here's a great explanation of Layer 3 switching, flows, etc from Cisco: > >http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_2/layer3/m >ls.htm > >Mike W. > >"Denton, Jason" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Can anyone tell me what the REAL difference is between a layer3 switch and >a >> router? >> >> Jason Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7443&t=7406 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed BSCN but..............? [7:7719]
I hope I will be as fortunate on tues as I "womanfully" struggle through it Jennifer Cribbs >dawkins c wrote: > >> I have just passed the BSCN with a score of 919. I should be happy about >> this but I found the test relatively easy. I would have prefered to >> "manfully" struggle through the questions and succeed after my heroic >> attempts (OK slightly overstated). Instead I was waiting for the questions >> to get harder. I know this sounds silly. Maybe I just got the right >> questions for me? >> >> Your comments >> >> PS .. no I am not some Cisco Guru (far from it), just a journeyman Cisco >> network designer. Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7754&t=7719 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed BSCN but..............? [7:7719]
6/8/2001 2:10:04 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: >Hey, I remember you. > >thanks for the support!!. I am sweating it at this moment.cram, cram, cramI take my books to work, I study >and read after work, I study until the wee hrs of the morning. I have a sybex book for this and I absolutely love the on- >line university that cisco has. Great info site. > >I have my books prepared for the routing test, which I want to do next. I am using gough for this. > >The worst thing about this test is the mistake I made scheduling it two weeks in advance. That is way too much time to >stress. ugh. > >Jenn > >6/8/2001 12:26:16 PM, "Ole Drews Jensen" wrote: > >>:-) >> >>Good luck Jennifer, >> >>Ole >> >>~~~ >> Ole Drews Jensen >> Systems Network Manager >> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I >> RWR Enterprises, Inc. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>~~~ >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:57 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Passed BSCN but..? [7:7719] >> >> >>I hope I will be as fortunate on tues as I "womanfully" struggle through >>it >> >>Jennifer Cribbs >> >> >> >>>dawkins c wrote: >>> >>>> I have just passed the BSCN with a score of 919. I should be happy about >>>> this but I found the test relatively easy. I would have prefered to >>>> "manfully" struggle through the questions and succeed after my heroic >>>> attempts (OK slightly overstated). Instead I was waiting for the >>questions >>>> to get harder. I know this sounds silly. Maybe I just got the right >>>> questions for me? >>>> >>>> Your comments >>>> >>>> PS .. no I am not some Cisco Guru (far from it), just a journeyman Cisco >>>> network designer. >>Have a great day!! >>Jennifer >Have a great day!! >Jennifer > Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7774&t=7719 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
last minute tips [7:7895]
Any last minute tips for the switching exam. I have 48hrs to go and counting. Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7895&t=7895 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: last minute tips [7:7895]
That I am trying to do. Thank you. Jennifer Cribbs 6/10/2001 5:14:31 PM, "hal9001" wrote: >Have faith in yourself. > >Karl >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:43 PM >Subject: last minute tips [7:7895] > > >> Any last minute tips for the switching exam. I have 48hrs to go and >> counting. >> >> >> Have a great day!! >> Jennifer Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7913&t=7895 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
passed switching test! [7:8207]
I did it890 on my test and there was one question that I didn't even answer. It had two screens and was a fill in the blank where I was supposed to write in domain name, ip address and the vlan numbers and name. I hit the wrong button and went to the next question...darn... It was relatively an easy easy exam and only took me 20 minutes. My scores were: CGMP100% Cisco Fundamentals 100% Multicast100% Multilayer Switching 83% Spanning Tree 75% Switching Interconnectivity 90% Troubleshooting 100% Trunking 75% VLAN Operations 66% My next test will be the routing one. But first I want to figure out what the heck falls under the catagory of vlan operations. With no experience, I will be sadly lacking in skills if I don't know that. Thanks everyone for all the wonderful discussions. That and tim boyes and sybex and the cisco university helped me achieve this. And my very very very patient husband. Jennifer Cribbs Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8207&t=8207 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passed switching test! [7:8207]
It was more than faith, because faith where networking is concerned, I have very little.I am equating that to practical experience of which I have none. Bookwise, for Xmas last yr, my brother-n-law gave me the sybex switching guide. I had just passed the ccna. I read it back to back twice and read all the mail here at this siteThere are several really really smart knowledgeable people and occasionally they really get to talking and it is conductive to learning at that time. Then about 3 weeks ago, a friend of mine gave me the Tim Boyles book and after looking it over I saw it included much much more information and so on the similiar topics I compared notes. It was strange because on some subjects, sybex would explain one thing and then I would look in the cisco press and it had another way of explaining or even adding to slightly. Enough to make you want to read more. But because of the two explainations on whatever topic, and the fact that they were different is what made me seek a third souce and that was the online university. And then I would look it up in the cisco on-line university and start reading and comparing that. I also took every online test I could find. Over and over again. And then over again. I made myself charts that made things appear organized to me. I am a comparer of things and so this is exactly how I tackled this material. By comparing things And that cisco university online..You can get pretty deep in there. Links go on forever. I get very immersed in that site. It's my home page. I think that is one of the most interesting sites I have ever seen or enjoyed. Something else that is strange is the fact that I don't really know how to do this. I only understand the things I know by reading and comparing. What really works is in some other world from me. And that was my studies. Jennifer Cribbs 6/12/2001 12:34:45 PM, "hal9001" wrote: >Faith paid off then, Jennifer what EXACTLY bookwise etc did you use to pass >and could you have bettered your choice of study tools if so then what. I'm >currently building my library up for my run at it - all the subjects that >is. > >Karl >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:37 PM >Subject: passed switching test! [7:8207] > > >> I did it890 on my test and there was one question that I didn't even >> answer. It had two screens and was a fill in the >> blank where I was supposed to write in domain name, ip address and the >vlan >> numbers and name. I hit the wrong >> button and went to the next question...darn... It was relatively an easy >> easy exam and only took me 20 minutes. >> >> My scores were: >> >> CGMP100% >> Cisco Fundamentals 100% >> Multicast100% >> Multilayer Switching 83% >> Spanning Tree 75% >> Switching Interconnectivity 90% >> Troubleshooting 100% >> Trunking 75% >> VLAN Operations 66% >> >> >> My next test will be the routing one. But first I want to figure out what >> the heck falls under the catagory of vlan >> operations. With no experience, I will be sadly lacking in skills if I >> don't know that. >> >> Thanks everyone for all the wonderful discussions. That and tim boyes and >> sybex and the cisco university helped me >> achieve this. And my very very very patient husband. >> >> Jennifer Cribbs >> >> >> Have a great day!! >> Jennifer Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8299&t=8207 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]
A better link for this site is: http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer Jennifer Cribbs 6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001" wrote: >Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be >worth something though: > >Mind the wrap. > >http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT > >Karl >IMPORTANT NOTICE: >This message is intended solely for the use of the Individual or >organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or >confidential information. If you have received this message in error, >please notify the originator immediately. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you should not use, copy, alter, or >disclose the contents of this message. All information or opinions >expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and >are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON. >Karl & Pauline HUTCHINSON accepts no responsibility >for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus. Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8405&t=8387 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? click [7:8407]
click telecommunications book club adn look at the whole series> >http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer > >Jennifer Cribbs > >6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001" wrote: > >>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be >>worth something though: >> >>Mind the wrap. >> >>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT >> >>Karl >>IMPORTANT NOTICE: >>This message is intended solely for the use of the Individual or >>organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or >>confidential information. If you have received this message in error, >>please notify the originator immediately. >> >>If you are not the intended recipient, you should not use, copy, alter, or >>disclose the contents of this message. All information or opinions >>expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and >>are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON. >>Karl & Pauline HUTCHINSON accepts no responsibility >>for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus. >Have a great day!! >Jennifer > > > > Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8407&t=8407 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]
6/13/2001 5:15:15 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: >I did it a few minutes ago, and my reasoning behind it is: > >They don't ask for credit card info on the site...Just a place to ship the books, and yes it appears that there are 3 books >and 2 cds. One of the books is over 1000 pages. I love books and buy many more than one per yr. I buy about 5 >every few months of something or other. I usually buy computer books in bransom mo for 1.00 each if they are more >than a yr old. So, being a bargain hunter, I feel like this is a great 10.00 deal. And if I get rippedit only 10.00. If it >was 65.00 or something, I probably would not do it. But 10.00, I can handle and take the loss > >So, yes they are kits. click and look > >Jennifer > >6/13/2001 3:49:25 PM, "Bolton, Travis" wrote: > >>It looks like a good deal but I'm skeptical since you have to buy one more >>selection within a year. Is this selection just a single textbook or one of >>their kits? I would call them to verify. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:40 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387] >> >> >>A better link for this site is: >> >>http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer >> >>Jennifer Cribbs >> >>6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001" wrote: >> >>>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be >>>worth something though: >>> >>>Mind the wrap. >>> >>>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT >>> >>>Karl >>>IMPORTANT NOTICE: >>>This message is intended solely for the use of the Individual or >>>organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or >>>confidential information. If you have received this message in error, >>>please notify the originator immediately. >>> >>>If you are not the intended recipient, you should not use, copy, alter, or >>>disclose the contents of this message. All information or opinions >>>expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author >>and >>>are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON. >>>Karl & Pauline HUTCHINSON accepts no responsibility >>>for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus. >>Have a great day!! >>Jennifer >Have a great day!! >Jennifer > Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8410&t=8387 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
null0 [7:8468]
Is this a true statement? Null0 is just a clever security method that has the added benefit of "less processing power" on the router. Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8468&t=8468 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: administrator password problem [7:8913]
I would say contact the administrator and ask them for their password. Jenn >= Original Message From "parky chan" = >Dear all Expert >can you help me solve this problem? >if i don't know the administrator password (N.T.) >but i need to use admin right to do something >what can i do? Have a great day! Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8915&t=8913 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a+operating system [7:10145]
I know this is not cisco, but I am taking a+os in the morning and just wanted to tell someone. It seems with each test I take, the necessary score to pass is lower and lower Who decides that 60% or 70% or 80% is passing on tests? It seems like anyone should get at least 80% to pass, or something close to it anyway. When I was in school 60% was failingMy how standards have changed. Makes me wonder if high schools have the same low standards and are pushing the kids through instead of teaching them to keep getting that money for each student... Hence, we have graduates who can't read. I know this is non cisco related, but my thoughts are on this today. And I am sure not all high schools are this way...I want to make that perfectly clear. Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10145&t=10145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
I am going to guess. Hypercomputer using the IIDAL programming language. Jennifer Cribbs 6/27/2001 4:42:47 PM, "Bryan Long \(Richmond VA\)" wrote: >As long as we are on a tear here.. >A piece of trivia - Does anyone know where Hal the computer from 2001 got >it's name. Get right and you get the door prize. The pod bay door that is. > >Bryan >- Original Message - >From: "Allen May" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:35 PM >Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] > > >> I dunno. But it makes me think of "Open the pod bay doors HAL". >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jack Nalbandian" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:05 PM >> Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] >> >> >> > I know this might veer off topic: >> > >> > Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a >company >> > that actually did refer to its building sub-units as "pods," and >> > subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by >> the >> > company campus' physical subdivisions) as "pods," but does the Cisco HQ >> > campus have multiple building "pods" as well? It is an actual term used >> in >> > architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's >> > network terminology? >> > >> > Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the >> > BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the >> > individual "pods" in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP >> > scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having >> > english as my >> > >2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the >> writer >> > >is trying to tell me. >> > > >> > >I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD >> showing >> > >up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, >and >> > >there are a certain amount of POD's. >> > > >> > >Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers >> to >> > >this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's >are >> > >kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been >> > >involved with Cisco networks lately :-) >> > > >> > >Thanks for any replies to this one. >> > > >> > >Ole >> > > >> > >~~~ >> > > Ole Drews Jensen >> > > Systems Network Manager >> > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I >> > > RWR Enterprises, Inc. >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >~~~ >> > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP >> > >~~~ >> > > NEED A JOB ??? >> > > http://www.oledrews.com/job >> > >~~~ >> > >> > >> > Priscilla Oppenheimer >> > http://www.priscilla.com Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10185&t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Now why didn't I think of that. It makes perfect sense. Jen 6/27/2001 5:06:46 PM, "Jack Nalbandian" wrote: >I B M minus one... come come... ___:) > >-Original Message- >From: Bryan Long (Richmond VA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:43 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] > > >As long as we are on a tear here.. >A piece of trivia - Does anyone know where Hal the computer from 2001 got >it's name. Get right and you get the door prize. The pod bay door that is. > >Bryan >- Original Message - >From: "Allen May" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:35 PM >Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] > > >> I dunno. But it makes me think of "Open the pod bay doors HAL". >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jack Nalbandian" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:05 PM >> Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] >> >> >> > I know this might veer off topic: >> > >> > Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a >company >> > that actually did refer to its building sub-units as "pods," and >> > subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by >> the >> > company campus' physical subdivisions) as "pods," but does the Cisco HQ >> > campus have multiple building "pods" as well? It is an actual term used >> in >> > architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's >> > network terminology? >> > >> > Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the >> > BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the >> > individual "pods" in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP >> > scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having >> > english as my >> > >2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the >> writer >> > >is trying to tell me. >> > > >> > >I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD >> showing >> > >up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, >and >> > >there are a certain amount of POD's. >> > > >> > >Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers >> to >> > >this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's >are >> > >kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been >> > >involved with Cisco networks lately :-) >> > > >> > >Thanks for any replies to this one. >> > > >> > >Ole >> > > >> > >~~~ >> > > Ole Drews Jensen >> > > Systems Network Manager >> > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I >> > > RWR Enterprises, Inc. >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >~~~ >> > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP >> > >~~~ >> > > NEED A JOB ??? >> > > http://www.oledrews.com/job >> > >~~~ >> > >> > >> > Priscilla Oppenheimer >> > http://www.priscilla.com Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10188&t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
