OT: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question regarding the max length for a 100BaseT cable. Granted I
haven't done a wealth of research on this so feel free to point me to
google if the answer is mind numbingly simple, which it probably is

I have always understood the 100M limitation on 10BaseT ethernet cable to
be attributable to the time it would take a collision signal - assuming you
are running at half duplex - to be returned in time to prevent the next
packet from being sent. In other words any longer than 100M and the sending
station would not get the message in time that there had been a collision
and thus continue sending packets instead of backing off. I have heard
attenuation mentioned, but not as the real reason for the distance limit.

My question is given that many stations are running 100 full duplex these
days - thus removing the collision concerns - does this effectively change
the maximum distance for cable runs? Or is attenuation truly a factor in
anything over 100M?

In general I am referring to standard Cat5 cabling

Just curious...




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RE: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread Dom
The following link may help a little

http://www.sysdom.org/html/ethernet_faq.htm

Best regards,

Dom Stocqueler
SysDom Technologies
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I have a question regarding the max length for a 100BaseT cable. Granted
I haven't done a wealth of research on this so feel free to point me to
google if the answer is mind numbingly simple, which it probably is

I have always understood the 100M limitation on 10BaseT ethernet cable
to be attributable to the time it would take a collision signal -
assuming you are running at half duplex - to be returned in time to
prevent the next packet from being sent. In other words any longer than
100M and the sending station would not get the message in time that
there had been a collision and thus continue sending packets instead of
backing off. I have heard attenuation mentioned, but not as the real
reason for the distance limit.

My question is given that many stations are running 100 full duplex
these days - thus removing the collision concerns - does this
effectively change the maximum distance for cable runs? Or is
attenuation truly a factor in anything over 100M?

In general I am referring to standard Cat5 cabling

Just curious...
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Re: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread Nakul Malik
looking at it practically, you can run cable at 150 m and still make it
work. but the question is, will it meet the reference crieteria. there are a
lot of things to be looked at here of which an important factor is
attentuation.
-Nakul

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 I have a question regarding the max length for a 100BaseT cable. Granted I
 haven't done a wealth of research on this so feel free to point me to
 google if the answer is mind numbingly simple, which it probably is

 I have always understood the 100M limitation on 10BaseT ethernet cable to
 be attributable to the time it would take a collision signal - assuming
you
 are running at half duplex - to be returned in time to prevent the next
 packet from being sent. In other words any longer than 100M and the
sending
 station would not get the message in time that there had been a collision
 and thus continue sending packets instead of backing off. I have heard
 attenuation mentioned, but not as the real reason for the distance
limit.

 My question is given that many stations are running 100 full duplex these
 days - thus removing the collision concerns - does this effectively change
 the maximum distance for cable runs? Or is attenuation truly a factor in
 anything over 100M?

 In general I am referring to standard Cat5 cabling

 Just curious...
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Re: OT: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread neal rauhauser
I've seen situations where the legal length has been nearly doubled
on full duplex connections without much apparent trouble. I don't know
if I'd trust a Windoze box in this kind of configuration, but routers,
unix hosts, etc, don't seem to mind too much.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a question regarding the max length for a 100BaseT cable. Granted I
 haven't done a wealth of research on this so feel free to point me to
 google if the answer is mind numbingly simple, which it probably is
 
 I have always understood the 100M limitation on 10BaseT ethernet cable to
 be attributable to the time it would take a collision signal - assuming you
 are running at half duplex - to be returned in time to prevent the next
 packet from being sent. In other words any longer than 100M and the sending
 station would not get the message in time that there had been a collision
 and thus continue sending packets instead of backing off. I have heard
 attenuation mentioned, but not as the real reason for the distance limit.
 
 My question is given that many stations are running 100 full duplex these
 days - thus removing the collision concerns - does this effectively change
 the maximum distance for cable runs? Or is attenuation truly a factor in
 anything over 100M?
 
 In general I am referring to standard Cat5 cabling
 
 Just curious...
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RE: OT: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread Zsombor Papp
The diameter of a 10Mbps Ethernet collision domain is much bigger than 100m
(you can calculate it from the smallest allowed frame size, the transmission
speed, and the signal propagation speed), so that limit is most definitely
not based on collisions.

Thanks,

Zsombor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a question regarding the max length for a 100BaseT
 cable. Granted I
 haven't done a wealth of research on this so feel free to point
 me to
 google if the answer is mind numbingly simple, which it
 probably is
 
 I have always understood the 100M limitation on 10BaseT
 ethernet cable to
 be attributable to the time it would take a collision signal -
 assuming you
 are running at half duplex - to be returned in time to prevent
 the next
 packet from being sent. In other words any longer than 100M and
 the sending
 station would not get the message in time that there had been a
 collision
 and thus continue sending packets instead of backing off. I
 have heard
 attenuation mentioned, but not as the real reason for the
 distance limit.
 
 My question is given that many stations are running 100 full
 duplex these
 days - thus removing the collision concerns - does this
 effectively change
 the maximum distance for cable runs? Or is attenuation truly a
 factor in
 anything over 100M?
 
 In general I am referring to standard Cat5 cabling
 
 Just curious...
 
 


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RE: OT: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread Dom
I've seen situations where the legal length has been nearly doubled on
full duplex connections without much apparent 
trouble. I don't know if I'd trust a Windoze box in this kind of
configuration, but routers, unix hosts, etc, don't seem 
to mind too much.

What is the difference between a Windoze box with a PCI card in it, a
Solaris Box with the same PCI card in it or even a router with the same
card in it? It all goes up the stack and if the drivers are OK it all
works fine.


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Re: OT: Cable Lengths [7:74776]

2003-09-04 Thread neal rauhauser
Windows *sucks*. I've seen it act stupid in lots of situations where a
FreeBSD laptop with the exact same configuration works just fine. I
don't have a technical explanation - I'm attributing it to excessive bad
karma.

Dom wrote:
 
 I've seen situations where the legal length has been nearly doubled on
 full duplex connections without much apparent
 trouble. I don't know if I'd trust a Windoze box in this kind of
 configuration, but routers, unix hosts, etc, don't seem
 to mind too much.
 
 What is the difference between a Windoze box with a PCI card in it, a
 Solaris Box with the same PCI card in it or even a router with the same
 card in it? It all goes up the stack and if the drivers are OK it all
 works fine.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Dom Stocqueler
 SysDom Technologies
 Visit our website - www.sysdom.org

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FW: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-08-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or maybe try alternating the dce/dte settings on the serial interfaces
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Sure you're using a cross cable?

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:22 PM
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Subject: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2
routers come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
DB60(DCE).This is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to
connect this cable to the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both
the routers are showing serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out
something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws
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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992] ENGLISH version, so to [7:73714]

2003-08-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
url

do a no shut on serial intf
clock dce say 64000
then
sh controllers ser x 

Look at the   DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up

you have a working cable, interface 2x

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fint
er_r/irfshoap.htm#1019003

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk713/tk507/technologies_configuration_examp
le09186a0080094504.shtml

LET OP DE ONDERSTE REGEL DAN IS IE UP!

spicey#show interfaces serial 1
Serial1 is up, line protocol is up 
  Hardware is HD64570
  Internet address is 5.0.2.2/24
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, 
 reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
  Encapsulation PPP, loopback not set
  Keepalive set (10 sec)
  LCP Open
  Open: IPCP
  Last input 00:00:01, output 00:00:01, output hang never
  Last clearing of show interface counters 00:09:27
  Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) 
 Conversations  0/1/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
 130 packets input, 3392 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 129 packets output, 3378 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up


Martijn 

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Verzonden: vrijdag 8 augustus 2003 12:36
Aan: 'LINSEN Jurgen (BMB)'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


In dutch, to keep things easy.

Denk dat je eerst even de  zaken moet proberen.

controle kabel
checken met commando sh controller serial, zie je een interface type staan,
dus die dce/dte

sh interface serial x
Router# show interfaces serial 
Serial 0 is up, line protocol is up 
   Hardware is MCI Serial 
   Internet address is 131.136.190.203, subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 
   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255 
   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec) 
   Last input 0:00:07, output 0:00:00, output hang never 
   Output queue 0/40, 0 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops 
   Five minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 
   Five minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 
   16263 packets input, 1347238 bytes, 0 no buffer 
   Received 13983 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants 
   2 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 2 abort 
1 carrier transitions 
22146 packets output, 2383680 bytes, 0 underruns 
0 output errors, 0 collisions, 2 interface resets, 0 restarts check onderaan
dte/dce/rts/cts signalen moeten werken

configuratie
standaard configuratie
de ene is dce  (moet commando clockrate bv 64000 bij)  
ander is dte geen clockrate



Martijn


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Onderwerp: RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Sure you're using a cross cable?

-Original Message-
From: KW S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2
routers come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
DB60(DCE).This is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to
connect this cable to the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both
the routers are showing serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out
something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws
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EM Back-to-Back Cable [7:73954]

2003-08-14 Thread Cruz Laiza
Hello

I want to connect EM ports on Cisco routers back-to-back, but wandering how
it can be achieved. Seems Type 2 and 5 of EM are
symmetrical, so theorically it seems possible, but pratically is it true?

If it is possible what kind of cable should I use ? Some kind of roll-over
or cross-over cable might be needed, but what kind of pin connections ?

Regrds, 


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RE: Access server 2511 Cable Tricks [7:73671]

2003-08-14 Thread Natchaya Radhikulkaralak
Thanks for helping a new Cisco gurl out!  I truly appreciate it.  I tried it
on my as2511 and it had a few hitches but I understand what i need to change.

Thanx


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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-08-14 Thread LINSEN Jurgen (BMB)
Sure you're using a cross cable?

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From: KW S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:22 PM
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Subject: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2
routers come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
DB60(DCE).This is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to
connect this cable to the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both
the routers are showing serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out
something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws
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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-08-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In dutch, to keep things easy.

Denk dat je eerst even de  zaken moet proberen.

controle kabel
checken met commando sh controller serial, zie je een interface type staan,
dus die dce/dte

sh interface serial x
Router# show interfaces serial 
Serial 0 is up, line protocol is up 
   Hardware is MCI Serial 
   Internet address is 131.136.190.203, subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 
   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255 
   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec) 
   Last input 0:00:07, output 0:00:00, output hang never 
   Output queue 0/40, 0 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops 
   Five minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 
   Five minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 
   16263 packets input, 1347238 bytes, 0 no buffer 
   Received 13983 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants 
   2 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 2 abort 
1 carrier transitions 
22146 packets output, 2383680 bytes, 0 underruns 
0 output errors, 0 collisions, 2 interface resets, 0 restarts check onderaan
dte/dce/rts/cts signalen moeten werken

configuratie
standaard configuratie
de ene is dce  (moet commando clockrate bv 64000 bij)  
ander is dte geen clockrate



Martijn


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Onderwerp: RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Sure you're using a cross cable?

-Original Message-
From: KW S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2
routers come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
DB60(DCE).This is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to
connect this cable to the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both
the routers are showing serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out
something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws
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RE: Access server 2511 Cable Tricks [7:73671]

2003-08-14 Thread Natchaya Radhikulkaralak
Does this also apply to an AS2511-rj router?  I only need to use rollover
cables and not straight-thru?  I just purchased a cheap as2511-rj but I am
having trouble getting it up and running.  Any help would be nice.Daniel
Cotts wrote:
 
 If you are using a 2509/2511 series with octal cables and need
 to connect to
 something like a CAT5500 with a Sup III - that requires a
 straight patch
 cable to connect to its CON port - use the AUX port on the 2511
 and the
 patch cable.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  The octal cable is already a ROLLOVER cable, *not* a 
  crossover cable. There
  is an important difference and quite often people mix the
 terms on
  accident.
  
  If you would normally need a rollover cable to connect to 
  that particular
  console port then simply connect the octal cable and you're 
  good to go. If
  you need a straight cable for some reason then you will need 
  an adapter to
  roll the cable again.
  
  Regards,
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RE: Access server 2511 Cable Tricks [7:73671]

2003-08-14 Thread Daniel Cotts
If you are using a 2509/2511 series with octal cables and need to connect to
something like a CAT5500 with a Sup III - that requires a straight patch
cable to connect to its CON port - use the AUX port on the 2511 and the
patch cable.

 -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The octal cable is already a ROLLOVER cable, *not* a 
 crossover cable. There
 is an important difference and quite often people mix the terms on
 accident.
 
 If you would normally need a rollover cable to connect to 
 that particular
 console port then simply connect the octal cable and you're 
 good to go. If
 you need a straight cable for some reason then you will need 
 an adapter to
 roll the cable again.
 
 Regards,
 John




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RE: Access server 2511 Cable Tricks [7:73671]

2003-08-10 Thread Daniel Cotts
Regular RJ interfaces on a 2511RJ use a rollover cable - just like the
console cable that comes with routers. They shipped green cables with the
routers - I guess to make it easy to trace them. I prefer the RJ model as I
can make cables any length. Only downside is one fast serial interface
instead of two.
Here's a working config:
2511#sh run
Building configuration...

Current configuration:
!
version 12.0
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
service password-encryption
!
hostname 2511
!
logging console warnings
enable secret xx
!
ip subnet-zero
no ip domain-lookup
ip host r4 2004 1.1.1.1
ip host r5 2005 1.1.1.1
ip host r16 2016 1.1.1.1
ip host r3 2003 1.1.1.1
ip host r2 2002 1.1.1.1
ip host r15 2015 1.1.1.1
ip host r14 2014 1.1.1.1
ip host r13 2013 1.1.1.1
ip host r12 2012 1.1.1.1
ip host r11 2011 1.1.1.1
ip host r10 2010 1.1.1.1
ip host r9 2009 1.1.1.1
ip host r1 2001 1.1.1.1
ip host r6 2006 1.1.1.1
ip host r7 2007 1.1.1.1
ip host r8 2008 1.1.1.1
ip host modem 2017 1.1.1.1
!
!
!
interface Loopback0
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
 no ip mroute-cache
!
interface Ethernet0
 description NATed to aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd
 ip address 192.168.254.3 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
 no ip mroute-cache
!
interface Serial0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
 no ip mroute-cache
 shutdown
!
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.254.1
!
!
banner exec ^C
This is an exec banner ^C
banner incoming ^C
This is an incoming banner ^C
banner login ^C
This is a login banner^C
banner motd ^C
This is a motd banner ^C
!
line con 0
 exec-timeout 0 0
 password
 login
 transport input none
line 1 16 
 no exec  
 exec-timeout 0 0
 transport input all
line aux 0
 password
 login
 modem InOut
 transport input all
 stopbits 1
 speed 38400
 flowcontrol hardware
line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 45 0
 password 
 logging synchronous
 login
! 
end   
   

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 Does this also apply to an AS2511-rj router?  I only need to 
 use rollover
 cables and not straight-thru?  I just purchased a cheap 
 as2511-rj but I am
 having trouble getting it up and running.  Any help would be 
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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-08-08 Thread Daniel Cotts
One more possible issue.
Recently I installed a back-to-back cable in my lab. On the DCE end I
verified the cable: sh controllers s 0 - It showed DCE.
I then configured the interface;
config t
int s0
clock rate 130
ip address 
no shut
end
The router returned an error message that seemed to indicate that it thought
there wasn't a DCE cable on that interface.
Now interface s1 was configured for a DCE cable and it worked just fine.
OK, reload the router.
no change
Power off the router
Now it works.
IOS ver 11.3 on a 2514.

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 Sure you're using a cross cable?
 
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 Dear All
 
 I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2
 routers come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
 DB60(DCE).This is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to
 connect this cable to the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both
 the routers are showing serial is down and line protocol is down.
 
 I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out
 something.
 
 Please comment..
 
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Information required on Fibre cable specifications testing [7:73151]

2003-07-29 Thread Hitesh Pathak R
Dear Group,
 
anybody knows some good resources on web for Fibre cables specifications
(w.r.t. Cisco products)  standards.
 
many thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Information required on Fibre cable specifications [7:73154]

2003-07-29 Thread Prabhu K.
Hitesh,

 try here
http://www.iec.org/

or
http://www.cableu.net/fibrtech/fib62-50.htm

 If u need more info, pls reply me. 

Prabu
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RE: Information required on Fibre cable specifications [7:73156]

2003-07-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TRY
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/6000hw/mod_inst/
0bspecs.htm

For an example of the 6K blade interfaces

www.cisco.com/univercd and browse through switches and routers  hardware 
(Mod) installation 

etc

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anybody knows some good resources on web for Fibre cables specifications
(w.r.t. Cisco products)  standards.
 
many thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Information required on Fibre cable specifications [7:73166]

2003-07-29 Thread Rodrigo Kazuo Yamamoto
Hi Hitesh,
Try to check out these resources:

INCITS: http://www.t11.org
SNIA: http://www.snia.org
Cisco: http://www.cisco.com/go/storagenetworking
IETF: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ips-charter.html

I hope it helps...

Best regards.
Rodrigo Kazuo Yamamoto

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anybody knows some good resources on web for Fibre cables specifications
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many thanks in advance.

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Re: what cable do I need [7:72585]

2003-07-21 Thread Nakul Malik
You need a T-1 crossover cable.
Jacks=RJ-48 (C?)
pinout-- I'm not really sure but I seem to recall 12-45 was the pinout for
t1 crossover.
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what cable do I need [7:72585]

2003-07-18 Thread David Ristau
I've got two 2621XM routers with WIC-1DSU-T1 cards in them 
here at work to play around with,  I want to mimic a serial connection
between the two 2621's via the WIC,

any idea as to what cable I need to use or a Cisco part number
so I can connect these to routers together ?

TIA

 


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RE: what cable do I need [7:72585]

2003-07-18 Thread Reimer, Fred
I'm guessing a cross-over RJ-48 (not RJ-45).  What are the pins for a T1
line?  4 and 5?  Try crossing them, and having one side provide clocking...


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RE: what cable do I need [7:72585]

2003-07-18 Thread Joseph Brunner
Isn't really just a crossover rj-45, i mean same cat5 ends ?

That is what I use with the pinout.

1 to 4
2 to 5


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RE: does anyone know the pinout on a t1 cable bet/ a [7:72069]

2003-07-17 Thread Brant Stevens
FYI, it's the same as a token-ring cross-over cable.

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For a standard T1:

Cross-over you will need 14 and 25
Straight through T1 you will need 11, 22, 33 and 44




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Cisco ATA 186-I2 Cable Pinouts to Analogue phone to configure [7:72388]

2003-07-16 Thread Salmons, Malcolm
Hi

I'm trying to configure a Cisco ATA 186-I2 in the UK. However I am unable to
get dial tone to configure the ATA. If anyone has configured an ATA in the
UK could they please let me have the piouts between the analogue handset and
the ATA to undertake the initial configuration.

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2003-07-16 Thread Salmons, Malcolm
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Re: does anyone know the pinout on a t1 cable bet/ a [7:72069]

2003-07-10 Thread Bob by The Bay
I'm thinking for straight through you meant to say:

Straight through T1 you will need 11, 22, 44 and 55

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Re: does anyone know the pinout on a t1 cable bet/ a [7:72069]

2003-07-10 Thread Bruce Enders
I'm thinking that even mentioning a straight through cable when
connecting two T1 interfaces together is a good way to confuse the person
asking the question. A T1 crossover is always used to directly connect
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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-07-08 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
Perhaps a copy of the configs would be helpful here.

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Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2 routers
come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a DB60(DCE).This
is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to connect this cable to
the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both the routers are showing
serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws




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cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-07-07 Thread KW S
Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2 routers
come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a DB60(DCE).This
is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to connect this cable to
the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both the routers are showing
serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws




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RE: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-07-07 Thread Munoz, Mike
Did you set up the clock rate on the DCE side?  I'm assuming you have HDLC
encapsulation on both ends.

Here is a link that you can refer to on the command:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1831/products_comm
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Watch the wrap.

Good luck on your studies.
Mike

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Subject: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]


Dear All

I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2 routers
come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a DB60(DCE).This
is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to connect this cable to
the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both the routers are showing
serial is down and line protocol is down.

I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out something.

Please comment..

Regards, kws




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Re: cisco back to back cable [7:71992]

2003-07-07 Thread Brian
You need to set clock on one, I leave it as an exercise to the poster to
figure out which.


Brian

The path to a desireable destination
is often more difficult than the path to stay where you are.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, KW S wrote:

 Dear All

 I have a 2501 and 2505 and I am trying to set up a homelab..These 2 routers
 come with a cable which is a DB60(DTE) and the other end is a
DB60(DCE).This
 is wat that is label on the cable. Anyway, I try to connect this cable to
 the serial interface of the 2 routers...and both the routers are showing
 serial is down and line protocol is down.

 I guess I have used the wrong cable...or maybe I have missed out something.

 Please comment..

 Regards, kws




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Re: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-14 Thread Thomas N
Thanks Scott!  So if I didn't understand it wrong, I can just use a regular
CAT5 Ethernet cable (with all 8 pin) to connect the WIC-1DSU-T1 on the
router to that RJ48 hand-off connector from the ISP?  Again, thanks!

Thomas



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 A regular cat5 ethernet cable would work.  It used pin 1,2,4,5.
 Scott

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 Hi All,

 I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
 connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
 (WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
 do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
 this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
 direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help.
Thanks
 in advance!

 Thomas.




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RE: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-13 Thread Vikram JeetSingh
Yah you can use 1,2,4 and 5. Here 1,2 and 4,5 are Tx and Rx pairs and you
have to reverse them once to have SPs Tx at your Rx and vice versa.

HTH

Vikram

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A regular cat5 ethernet cable would work.  It used pin 1,2,4,5.
Scott

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Subject: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]


Hi All,

I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
(WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help. Thanks
in advance!

Thomas.




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RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-12 Thread Thomas N
Hi All,

I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
(WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help. Thanks
in advance!

Thomas.




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RE: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-12 Thread Scott Chau
A regular cat5 ethernet cable would work.  It used pin 1,2,4,5.
Scott

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Subject: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]


Hi All,

I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
(WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help. Thanks
in advance!

Thomas.




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RE: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-12 Thread Ken Chipps
RJ-45 and RJ-48 as used for a T1 circuit are effectively the same. As
long as the distance is not too great from the demarc to the router, Cat
5 UTP cable can be used. For long distances, shielded UTP is called for.

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Subject: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

Hi All,

I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
(WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They
however
do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help.
Thanks
in advance!

Thomas.




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Re: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-12 Thread John Neiberger
 Thomas N 6/12/03 1:19:04 PM 
Hi All,

I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
(WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help.
Thanks
in advance!

Thomas.

An RJ48 connector is basically an RJ45 connector with only pins 1,2,4 and 5
terminated for a T-1.  I don't recall if there are any other differences.  I
think just about any short, straight-thru, flat satin cable will work just
fine.  Many of them have ferrite rings on them for noise reduction, I
believe.  In a pinch a straight thru Cat 5 cable would work just fine. 
There may be some technical reasons why you wouldn't want to use twisted
pair cable, but I don't know about them.  I try not to use UTP unless I have
to, though.  

Someone else here is bound to have more technical details and they can fill
in what I've neglected to mention or correct any mistakes I made.

HTH,
John




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Re: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]

2003-06-12 Thread Tom Martin
Thomas,

You can use a straight-through CAT5 or CAT3 patch cable.  The difference 
is in the meaning of the pins.  From a cabling perspective it doesn't 
matter.

- Tom

Thomas N wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45
 connector/cable?  I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU
 (WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP.  They however
 do not provide the cable.  Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for
 this?  What would be the pinout for both end of the cable?  Does the
 direction of the cable connection matter?  It's urgent. Please help. Thanks
 in advance!
 
 Thomas.




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Re: New BCRAN topics - Cable Modems and DSL [7:69291]

2003-05-29 Thread Weaselboy
Thank you Dave and Kok - I appreciate your letting me know...



On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 19:29, Dave Jacoby wrote:
 Me neither.
 
 Dave
 
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  You can forget about the two topic. I've done the exam, but didn't face
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  question on these topics.




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Re: creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-05 Thread Scott Roberts
I see what you're after now. yes you can do this. the adapters are the trick
here.

cisco will use a rollover cable to essentially pair wire 1 on one end to
wire 8 on the other end (2 to 7, 3 to 6, etc...). in theory what this does
is reverses the the Tx and the Rx and the other corresponding wires for flow
control and modem control. the adapter then comes in for when you plug it in
to the interface. for example if I have a eia-232 configuration, then my
adapter will have to be wired correctly to place the correct pin from the
adapter to the correct wire on the rollover cable. same thing can be said if
I have a v.35 cable, I need to have the adapter connect the Tx pin to the Tx
wire of the cable. this is why cisco advertises their db-60 interface as
being 5-in-1, because depending on how the pins match the wire, they have 5
different specifications possible(one being eia-232)

now sticking to eia-232, the specification calls for 8 pins, which is
perfect for 8-wire cable and thus why cisco uses it for all their modular
console ports. now the adapters come into play. the adapters can serve one
of two purposes, 1) straight-through or 2)rollover.

if the cable you use is a rollover, well then the wires have already turned
the Tx into a Rx wire and thus your adapter needs to be straight-through to
accomplish having the ends stay Tx to Rx.
if the cable you use is straight, well then the wires are Tx to Tx and thus
you'll need an adapter to change the Tx to the Rx.

now heres the kicker and the reason I suspect you're having problems. this
whole discussion of Tx going to a Rx end-to-end depends on the fact that the
console port of a router (or a CSS) is a DTE and your PC serial port is a
DTE and thus needs to be rolled-over. on the other hand some older cisco
equipment had their console ports configured as DCEs, which might very well
be you case.

so what to do? put the adapter onto your computers serial port, plug the
cisco rollover cable into it and then right into the console port of your
css. if it works you're done, if not get a standard straight-through cat5
cable to use instead of the cisco rollover, that one will then work.


Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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 When i plug rollover cable that i use for routers into routers console it
 works. When I plug it into CSS11152 console it doesn't work When I use the
 CS11152 adapter on rollover it does work. What I'm trying to figure out is
 what do I have to do to a cat5 cable to make it work without the CSS11152
 adapter.

 Scott Roberts  wrote in message
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  hopefully this time priscilla doesn't chastise me for helping out with
CCO
  material!! ;)
 
  the link you supplied clearly states that its 9600 baud  rs-232 and the
  table below it doesn't say anything in regards to pinouts for any
console
  port. the rs-232 specification IS the pinout specification.
 
  CSS 11050 Front Panel Connectors and LEDs
  All front panels of the CSS 11050 models contain connectors and LEDs
that
  vary according to their model number. For example, the CSS 11051 in
Figure
  2-3 has:
 
a.. 1 RS-232 Console connector (9600 baud)
 
 
b.. 1 RS-232 Diag connector, reserved for field service use only
 (115,200
  baud)
 
 
c.. 8 10/100-Mbps auto-sensing Fast Ethernet connectors and their
  associated Link/Activity status, 10/100 (Mbps), and Duplex (Half or
Full)
  LEDs
 
 
d.. Power, Status, and Ready LEDs
 
 
 
  Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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   Actually its not. You need a special adapter to console into these
  switches.
   They come with them but I only have 1, I need 4. On Cisco's site they
 have
   the following but it looks like a typo
  
  
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/contnetw/ps792/products_installation_
   guide_chapter09186a00800df9d6.html#xtocid3
  
if you look at the table they RXD and DSR both going to to pin 3.
  
  
   Scott Roberts  wrote in message
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the console port is identical to every other cisco router (eia-232,
 9600
baud).
   
  
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/accessor/ps107/products_tech_note0918
6a0080094ce6.shtml
   
scott
   
Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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 Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the
   adapters
 for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using
cat5.
 If
 someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great.
 Thanks.




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creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-04 Thread Sam Sneed
Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the adapters
for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using cat5. If
someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great. Thanks.




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Re: creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-04 Thread Scott Roberts
the console port is identical to every other cisco router (eia-232, 9600
baud).
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/accessor/ps107/products_tech_note0918
6a0080094ce6.shtml

scott

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 Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the adapters
 for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using cat5. If
 someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great. Thanks.




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Re: creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-04 Thread Sam Sneed
Actually its not. You need a special adapter to console into these switches.
They come with them but I only have 1, I need 4. On Cisco's site they have
the following but it looks like a typo

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/contnetw/ps792/products_installation_
guide_chapter09186a00800df9d6.html#xtocid3

 if you look at the table they RXD and DSR both going to to pin 3.


Scott Roberts  wrote in message
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 the console port is identical to every other cisco router (eia-232, 9600
 baud).

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/accessor/ps107/products_tech_note0918
 6a0080094ce6.shtml

 scott

 Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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  Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the
adapters
  for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using cat5. If
  someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great. Thanks.




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Re: creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-04 Thread Scott Roberts
hopefully this time priscilla doesn't chastise me for helping out with CCO
material!! ;)

the link you supplied clearly states that its 9600 baud  rs-232 and the
table below it doesn't say anything in regards to pinouts for any console
port. the rs-232 specification IS the pinout specification.

CSS 11050 Front Panel Connectors and LEDs
All front panels of the CSS 11050 models contain connectors and LEDs that
vary according to their model number. For example, the CSS 11051 in Figure
2-3 has:

  a.. 1 RS-232 Console connector (9600 baud)


  b.. 1 RS-232 Diag connector, reserved for field service use only (115,200
baud)


  c.. 8 10/100-Mbps auto-sensing Fast Ethernet connectors and their
associated Link/Activity status, 10/100 (Mbps), and Duplex (Half or Full)
LEDs


  d.. Power, Status, and Ready LEDs



Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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 Actually its not. You need a special adapter to console into these
switches.
 They come with them but I only have 1, I need 4. On Cisco's site they have
 the following but it looks like a typo


http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/contnetw/ps792/products_installation_
 guide_chapter09186a00800df9d6.html#xtocid3

  if you look at the table they RXD and DSR both going to to pin 3.


 Scott Roberts  wrote in message
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  the console port is identical to every other cisco router (eia-232, 9600
  baud).
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/accessor/ps107/products_tech_note0918
  6a0080094ce6.shtml
 
  scott
 
  Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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   Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the
 adapters
   for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using cat5. If
   someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great. Thanks.




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Re: creating console cable for cs11152 [7:64368]

2003-03-04 Thread Sam Sneed
When i plug rollover cable that i use for routers into routers console it
works. When I plug it into CSS11152 console it doesn't work When I use the
CS11152 adapter on rollover it does work. What I'm trying to figure out is
what do I have to do to a cat5 cable to make it work without the CSS11152
adapter.

Scott Roberts  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 hopefully this time priscilla doesn't chastise me for helping out with CCO
 material!! ;)

 the link you supplied clearly states that its 9600 baud  rs-232 and the
 table below it doesn't say anything in regards to pinouts for any console
 port. the rs-232 specification IS the pinout specification.

 CSS 11050 Front Panel Connectors and LEDs
 All front panels of the CSS 11050 models contain connectors and LEDs that
 vary according to their model number. For example, the CSS 11051 in Figure
 2-3 has:

   a.. 1 RS-232 Console connector (9600 baud)


   b.. 1 RS-232 Diag connector, reserved for field service use only
(115,200
 baud)


   c.. 8 10/100-Mbps auto-sensing Fast Ethernet connectors and their
 associated Link/Activity status, 10/100 (Mbps), and Duplex (Half or Full)
 LEDs


   d.. Power, Status, and Ready LEDs



 Sam Sneed  wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Actually its not. You need a special adapter to console into these
 switches.
  They come with them but I only have 1, I need 4. On Cisco's site they
have
  the following but it looks like a typo
 
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/contnetw/ps792/products_installation_
  guide_chapter09186a00800df9d6.html#xtocid3
 
   if you look at the table they RXD and DSR both going to to pin 3.
 
 
  Scott Roberts  wrote in message
  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   the console port is identical to every other cisco router (eia-232,
9600
   baud).
  
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/accessor/ps107/products_tech_note0918
   6a0080094ce6.shtml
  
   scott
  
   Sam Sneed  wrote in message
   news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Has anyone done this before? I have a few CSS but don't have the
  adapters
for console ports. I'm hoping I can create my own cable using cat5.
If
someone could enlighten me on how to do this that'd be great.
Thanks.




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pinout for terminal cable [7:64269]

2003-03-03 Thread John Golovich
Can anyone help me for the pinouts for this cables.

From the back of a Livingston Portmaster 2E I have a gender changer plugging
into a db25 cisco terminal to rj45 adapter.

From here I want to plug a cat5 cable into the console of my ciscos.

I could use some help with the pinouts if anyone has already done this.




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RE: pinout for terminal cable [7:64269]

2003-03-03 Thread Scott Roberts
If the Livingston port is a eia-232/DTE then you're basically set to go.
Just use a roll-over cable. On the chance that the livingston port is a
DCE, use a straight-through cable (which might be the answer since it
was a female to begin with).

scott

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Subject: pinout for terminal cable [7:64269]


Can anyone help me for the pinouts for this cables.

From the back of a Livingston Portmaster 2E I have a gender changer
plugging into a db25 cisco terminal to rj45 adapter.

From here I want to plug a cat5 cable into the console of my ciscos.

I could use some help with the pinouts if anyone has already done this.




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Can't get a PIX 506 to get DHCP from Comcast Cable. [7:64209]

2003-03-02 Thread H Howard Lewis Bloom
I updated a PIX 506 with 6.2.2 and the lastest PDM.  I did the setup
through the PDM, setup PAT for the outside to inside interface, and
told it to use DHCP to acquire on the outside interface.

Comcast assigns IP addresses in the Philadelphia area according to the
MAC address, so if you change the network card or device attached to
the cable modem you'll get a different IP.

I turned the modem off, attached the Pix, turned on the modem, and
then fired up the PiX.  

The standard settings in the PDM  should work, but it isn't.

Has anyone had any luck getting the Pix to get dhcp from Comcast?

Howard Bloom
610-745-0115




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Re: Can't get a PIX 506 to get DHCP from Comcast Cable. [7:64211]

2003-03-02 Thread Michael Gunnels
Works fine for me...

ip address outside dhcp setroute
global (outside) 1 interface
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0

Mike

--- H Howard Lewis Bloom 
wrote:
 I updated a PIX 506 with 6.2.2 and the lastest PDM. 
 I did the setup
 through the PDM, setup PAT for the outside to inside
 interface, and
 told it to use DHCP to acquire on the outside
 interface.
 
 Comcast assigns IP addresses in the Philadelphia
 area according to the
 MAC address, so if you change the network card or
 device attached to
 the cable modem you'll get a different IP.
 
 I turned the modem off, attached the Pix, turned on
 the modem, and
 then fired up the PiX.  
 
 The standard settings in the PDM  should work, but
 it isn't.
 
 Has anyone had any luck getting the Pix to get dhcp
 from Comcast?
 
 Howard Bloom
 610-745-0115
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Re: Can't get a PIX 506 to get DHCP from Comcast Cable. [7:64222]

2003-03-02 Thread eric nguyen
if it doesn't work, try to do this mannually in configuration mode:
ip address outside dhcp setroute retry 5
You may have to do it several times for it to work.  I live in MD and my
cable modem
provider is comcast and it works.
 H Howard Lewis Bloom  wrote:I updated a PIX 506 with 6.2.2 and the lastest
PDM. I did the setup
through the PDM, setup PAT for the outside to inside interface, and
told it to use DHCP to acquire on the outside interface.

Comcast assigns IP addresses in the Philadelphia area according to the
MAC address, so if you change the network card or device attached to
the cable modem you'll get a different IP.

I turned the modem off, attached the Pix, turned on the modem, and
then fired up the PiX. 

The standard settings in the PDM should work, but it isn't.

Has anyone had any luck getting the Pix to get dhcp from Comcast?

Howard Bloom
610-745-0115
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RE: Connecting Console cable [7:63447]

2003-02-21 Thread Troy Leliard
This would work if you didn't go throgh the switch, ie from the router
console port - patchpanel - wall port - to your PC (with DB converter
obviously).



SamN wrote:
 
 I wish to gain access to a router console but it's in the
 server room while
 I am outside.
 Is it possible to do something like that:, Diagram-wise:
 Router---Switch---PatchPanel---User wall I/O---Computer
 
 I mean, just the way a user would be connected to the router
 ethernet port,
 i want to connect the user to the console port.
 
 If a solution ain't possible, I can get rid of the switch in
 the middle and
 directly go through the patch panels.
 Any solution would do.
 
 thank you.
 
 


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Connecting Console cable [7:63447]

2003-02-20 Thread SamN
I wish to gain access to a router console but it's in the server room while
I am outside.
Is it possible to do something like that:, Diagram-wise:
Router---Switch---PatchPanel---User wall I/O---Computer

I mean, just the way a user would be connected to the router ethernet port,
i want to connect the user to the console port.

If a solution ain't possible, I can get rid of the switch in the middle and
directly go through the patch panels.
Any solution would do.

thank you.




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Re: Connecting Console cable [7:63447]

2003-02-20 Thread Larry Letterman
install a connection from the router console port to your
desk...thru patch panels or something
similar and connect the router end with a cisco blue or
black rollover cable and you have a local
console connection...

or setup a terminal server with 2511/2621 type router that
supports reverse telnet...connect the router to the
network and reverse telnet to the router thru the term
server

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Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


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 I wish to gain access to a router console but it's in the
server room while
 I am outside.
 Is it possible to do something like that:, Diagram-wise:
 Router---Switch---PatchPanel---User wall I/O---Computer

 I mean, just the way a user would be connected to the
router ethernet port,
 i want to connect the user to the console port.

 If a solution ain't possible, I can get rid of the switch
in the middle and
 directly go through the patch panels.
 Any solution would do.

 thank you.
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Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59971]

2002-12-30 Thread Bolton, Travis D [LTD]
Team,

I was just having a discussion with a co-worker about how companies lay
cable across the pond and how they troubleshoot cable splices etc.  Does
anybody have any documentation or Video they can share on this?   We're just
curious on how all this works.  If you do this type of work let me know.
Thanks in advance.

Travis Bolton 
Web Media
CCNP,CCDA

Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of
value. 
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Re:Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59994]

2002-12-30 Thread Chuck Church
Travis,

I've often wondered the same thing.  I dug this up on google.  Amazingly
it dates back to the 1890s!
http://www.atlantic-cable.com/

Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE




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Re:Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59994]

2002-12-30 Thread Andrew Dorsett
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Chuck Church wrote:

 I've often wondered the same thing.  I dug this up on google. 
Amazingly
 it dates back to the 1890s!
 http://www.atlantic-cable.com/

Well apparently I failed to send my post to the whole list and I just
replied to the original poster.  Anyway here are my comments on one of the
replies to him.

Actually the sled lays on the bottom and is pulled behind the boat.  Then
it works like a ditchwitch to dig a trench and put the cable inside.  The
cable is spooled on the deck of the ship (the cable flows down to the
sled) and is spliced right there on the
deck.  When its time to stop for bad weather they will tie bouys to the
cable and sled chains and then leave and come back later.

How do they lay cable across the ocean?
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/2630.html

Undersea Cable Systems
http://www.wscr.com/6-7web/tycom2.pdf

An Oversimplified Overview of Undersea Cable Systems
http://davidw.home.cern.ch/davidw/public/SubCables.html

DiveWeb - Subsea Telecom
http://www.diveweb.com/telecom/index.shtml


Later,
Andrew
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Re: Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59971]

2002-12-30 Thread Ian Henderson
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Bolton, Travis D [LTD] wrote:

 I was just having a discussion with a co-worker about how companies lay
 cable across the pond and how they troubleshoot cable splices etc.  Does
 anybody have any documentation or Video they can share on this?   We're
just
 curious on how all this works.  If you do this type of work let me know.

www.southerncrosscables.com is a cable network between West Coast US,
Hawaii, New Zealand and East Coast Australia. Their website shows some
pretty flash animations about it all.

Not totally related, but pretty cool is
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html. It describes the
laying of FLAG between England and Japan. Great read.

Hope everyone has a great new years :)




- I.

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RE: DSL/Cable Load Balancer [7:59306]

2002-12-18 Thread Elijah Savage III
Here are the 2 devices that will do what you are looking for. But what
these devices do is load balance seesions outbound from the local lan.
So if you have like 5 pc's on the lan and 2 pc's started internet
explorer at the same time one pc will go out over one connection the
other pc will go out over the 2nd connection. The nexland product works
great if you have any questions on that product contact me offline away
from the list.

http://www.nexland.com/turbo.cfm

http://www.bulletrouter.com.tw/product/e5600.htm

Elijah
http://www.digitalrage.org
For your one stop of technical news and HowTo's


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Subject: DSL/Cable Load Balancer [7:59306]


Hey,

This is a little off topic, but I have been searching for hours with no
results.  There was a device featured in a magazine (Maximum or T3) that
you could plug in both Cable and DSL lines and load balance in between
both.  Now I need this device and cannot find it.  Does anybody know of
it?  I want a simple solution to this problem.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Robert Raver




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DSL/Cable Load Balancer [7:59306]

2002-12-16 Thread Robert Raver
Hey,

This is a little off topic, but I have been searching for hours with no
results.  There was a device featured in a magazine (Maximum or T3) that you
could plug in both Cable and DSL lines and load balance in between both.  Now
I need this device and cannot find it.  Does anybody know of it?  I want a
simple solution to this problem.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Robert Raver




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Re: DSL/Cable Load Balancer [7:59306]

2002-12-16 Thread dre
Robert Raver  wrote in message ...
 This is a little off topic, but I have been searching for hours
 with no results.  There was a device featured in a magazine
 (Maximum or T3) that you could plug in both Cable and DSL lines
 and load balance in between both.  Now I need this device and
 cannot find it.  Does anybody know of it?  I want a simple solution
 to this problem.  Any help would be appreciated.

It seems like you could only load balance sessions and not packets,
which would be pretty useless in almost all circumstances.  Might
I instead suggest that you simply upgrade your bandwidth (simple,
easy way) or use another hack like a download manager tool (about
as tricky as a Cable/DSL load-balancer)?
http://download.com.com/3150-2071-0.html?tag=stbc.gp

-dre




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RE: cisco 7000 power cable [7:58581]

2002-12-09 Thread Magondo, Michael
Hi

We had the same problem with a cat switch, I can't remember which model,
but what we did was use a standard monitor cable and cut in the ridge
with a pen knife. It was a Sunday at 11:00pm so we really had no option.
That worked and to my knowledge no problems were experienced.

Mike


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From: NetEng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 06 December 2002 05:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cisco 7000 power cable [7:58581]

I bought a Cisco 7000 router off of ebay. It did not come with a power
cable
and I can not find one for the life of me. I ordered and received
CAB-7KAC=,
but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its a 7500
series
AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable but,
again, it
does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply connector. Does
anyone
know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except it has a
small
ridge between the top prongs.

 
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cisco 7000 power cable [7:58581]

2002-12-06 Thread NetEng
I bought a Cisco 7000 router off of ebay. It did not come with a power cable
and I can not find one for the life of me. I ordered and received CAB-7KAC=,
but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its a 7500 series
AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable but, again, it
does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply connector. Does anyone
know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except it has a small
ridge between the top prongs.

 
|  []  U  [] |
|   |
|   [] |





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Power Cable [7:58614]

2002-12-06 Thread NetEng
I bought a 7000 router off of ebay. It did not come with a power cable
and I can not find one for the life of me. I purchased and received
CAB-7KAC=,
but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its a 7500 series
AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable but, again, it
does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply connector. Does anyone
know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except it has a small
ridge between the top prongs.

 
|  []  U  [] |
|   |
|   [] |





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Re: Power Cable [7:58614]

2002-12-06 Thread Marc Thach Xuan Ky
Sounds like a standard IEC kettle lead to me.  At least here in the UK,
thats what they're for, electric kettles. IIRC these plugs are used for
temperature-resistant leads, and the notch allows you to use a
temperature-resistant lead in any application, but to disallow the
incorrect lead in your kettle or other hot object.  This may be an
indication that your 7000 is going to suck some serious power 8^)
In the UK you can get one of these in the local electical store, YMMV.
rgds
Marc

NetEng wrote:
 
 I bought a 7000 router off of ebay. It did not come with a power cable
 and I can not find one for the life of me. I purchased and received
 CAB-7KAC=,
 but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its a 7500 series
 AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable but, again,
it
 does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply connector. Does anyone
 know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
 connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except it has a small
 ridge between the top prongs.
 
  
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Power Cable for 7000 [7:58616]

2002-12-05 Thread NetEng
I bought a Cisco 7000 router at an auction. It did not come with a power
cable
and I can not find one for the life of me. I ordered and received CAB-7KAC=,
but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its a 7500 series
AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable but, again, it
does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply connector. Does anyone
know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except it has a small
ridge between the top prongs.

 
|  []  U  [] |
|   |
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RE: Power Cable for 7000 [7:58616]

2002-12-05 Thread Daniel Cotts
The cable you mentioned should work. The AC power supplies on a 7000 and a
7507 are the same. (Unless changed recently.)
FWIW They shipped the same cord with Cat5K Power Supplies even though there
is no notch on the PS receptacle end.
Any chance that they sent you a cable for a 7513? It has a big square end
for the PS and has a 20amp plug end.
What does your cable look like?

 -Original Message-
 From: NetEng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:38 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Power Cable for 7000 [7:58616]
 
 
 I bought a Cisco 7000 router at an auction. It did not come 
 with a power
 cable
 and I can not find one for the life of me. I ordered and 
 received CAB-7KAC=,
 but this cable does not fit. It says on the package thats its 
 a 7500 series
 AC power cord. On ciscos website its says to order this cable 
 but, again, it
 does not fit. Below is a layout of the power supply 
 connector. Does anyone
 know the correct power cable to order (and where) to get it? TIA . The
 connector is like evey other one (router/monitor/PC) except 
 it has a small
 ridge between the top prongs.
 
  
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OT: Cisco HSSI Y cable, part-number NTC/4203/AA [7:58281]

2002-11-29 Thread Jose Martos
Does anyone know where I can buy this Cisco HSSI Y cable, part-number
NTC/4203/AA?  Thanks for any advice.

Cheers,
 
Jose Martos
Loud Packet, Inc.
26755 Jefferson Ave. Suite F
Murrieta, CA 92562
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Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Reza Sharifi
I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  The cable is
configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it due to device
configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and need to be DCE)
Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.

Thanks in advance.

Reza




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RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Mark W. Odette II
Check out the following, as it may be cheaper than building your own...

http://www.kg2.com/dbcrosdtedca.html

Another vendor would be Anthonypanda.com...

You can't beat 30.00 in my opinion...

-Mark

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From: Reza Sharifi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:46 AM
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Subject: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  The cable is
configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it due to
device
configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and need to be
DCE)
Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.

Thanks in advance.

Reza




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RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Ellis, Andrew
Do a search on the first link for the db-60 pinout and the second link
should give you the pinout for the db-50


http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cis2500/2509/acsvrug/cables.htm


http://www.pluscom.ru/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wanbu/igx8400/9_3_30/ig/igxigspc.htm

hope this helps.

-Drew

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Subject: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]


I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  The cable is
configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it due to device
configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and need to be DCE)
Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.

Thanks in advance.

Reza




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RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Ellis, Andrew
Ditto!

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Subject: RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]


Check out the following, as it may be cheaper than building your own...

http://www.kg2.com/dbcrosdtedca.html

Another vendor would be Anthonypanda.com...

You can't beat 30.00 in my opinion...

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Reza Sharifi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  The cable is
configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it due to
device
configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and need to be
DCE)
Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.

Thanks in advance.

Reza




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RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread ORiordan Brian
Hi all,

By the way, I have nothing to do with this seller. Just passing on a good
site to those who are interested.

Try this Web Address for Cisco Cables.
I do not think that you will be able to beat this.

http://www.anthonypanda.com

This guy has an excellent reputation on eBay as a Power Seller, and I have
bought cables myself recently from this site.

I bought 3 * DB60V35 DCE 6 Feet cables @ 20 Dollars each and paid a total of
82 Dollars including postage (22 Dollars) from Hong Kong to the Netherlands.

DB60  V35 DCE 6 Feet (3 Metres) Link
=
http://www.anthonypanda.com/product.php?prd_id=5opt_id=22

I can recommend this site. He also has 3 Feet ( 1 Metre) DB60 Back to Back
cables at 12 Dollars each, which is an absolutely great price.

DB60 Back to Back Link
===
http://www.anthonypanda.com/product.php?prd_id=1opt_id=2

If anyone else has some good sites, I think we would all like to hear about
this.

I am very pleased up to now myself.

Regards,

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RE: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Daniel Cotts
Maybe you don't need to change your cable at all. DCE vs DTE is significant
at layer 1 for clocking issues. There is also DCE DTE at layer 2 for Frame
Relay purposes. The layer 1 DCE does not have to be on the same box as the
layer 2 DCE.

However if you really want another cable try Pacific Cable.

 -Original Message-
 From: Reza Sharifi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]
 
 
 I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  
 The cable is
 configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it 
 due to device
 configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and 
 need to be DCE)
 Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
 CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Cisco DTE/DCE Cable [7:58103]

2002-11-26 Thread Reza
Thank you all for your replies.

Reza

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 I am looking for the pinouts for DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  The cable is
 configured as DB60 (DTE) to DB50 (DCE).  I need to switch it due to device
 configuration issues. (my 2522 is my frame relay switch and need to be
DCE)
 Can someone point me in the right direction.  I check
 CCO, but have not been able to find this particular configuration.

 Thanks in advance.

 Reza




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Cisco Serial CrossOver Cable [7:57877]

2002-11-22 Thread Ernesto Diaz
Hi everyone!

Does anyone know the pinout for a Cisco Serial Crossover Cable (for
interconnection of the routers via the serial ports)

Thanks in advance

 

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Re: Cisco Serial CrossOver Cable [7:57877]

2002-11-22 Thread MADMAN
DTE  DCE


  If you want to make your own look up the specs in the hardware manual
on line.

   Dave

Ernesto Diaz wrote:
 
 Hi everyone!
 
 Does anyone know the pinout for a Cisco Serial Crossover Cable (for
 interconnection of the routers via the serial ports)
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 
 Ernesto Diaz
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Re: Cisco Serial CrossOver Cable [7:57877]

2002-11-22 Thread Reza Sharifi
Here is a situation,
I have a Cisco 4000 router connected to a 2500 router back to back with a
DTE, DCE cable (4000 50 pin serial and 2500 60 pin serial.) At this time the
cable side that is connected to the 4000 is DCE and the 2500 side is DTE.
Does any body know how to swap that around (change the pin configuration)and
make the the 2500 side DCE?.

Thanks
Reza

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   If you want to make your own look up the specs in the hardware manual
 on line.

Dave

 Ernesto Diaz wrote:
 
  Hi everyone!
 
  Does anyone know the pinout for a Cisco Serial Crossover Cable (for
  interconnection of the routers via the serial ports)
 
  Thanks in advance
 
 
 
  Ernesto Diaz
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RE: Cisco Serial CrossOver Cable [7:57877]

2002-11-22 Thread Ellis, Andrew
Go to http://www.kg2.com/cables.html 

The cables are around $15.00 each if you need them.

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Hi everyone!

Does anyone know the pinout for a Cisco Serial Crossover Cable (for
interconnection of the routers via the serial ports)

Thanks in advance

 

Ernesto Diaz




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Question on Cable/DSL backbone infrastructure [7:56889]

2002-11-05 Thread Vamsi Krishna
Hi All,
I have implemented Cable and DSL service providers and have seen =
that they use their own separate backbone.=20
The backbone for most cable ISP's is Hybrid Fiber Coax (HFC) where fiber =
will be laid from Headend till the nodes and nodes connects to customers =
using co-axial lines.
The backbone for DSL Service Providers is fiber which will be connected =
to DSL Access Multiplexers, which inturn connect to customers using =
twisted pair (layer 2 =3DATM).=20
In both the above cases the fiber backbone is common.=20

My question: Is it possible for a service provider to provide both Cable =
 DSL services through the same Fiber? Is it implemented anywhere ?

Regards,
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cable network and MIBs [7:56719]

2002-11-01 Thread Barbu Alexandru
Hi guys! I was wondering if someone could point
out some reading or advice concerning those MIBs. I
have a uBR7223, and i have to get all the info from
the cable modems that the uBR has. I have found this
info :


Object  cdrqCmtsCmStatusEntry
OID 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.10.59.1.2.1.1
TypeCdrqCmtsCmStatusEntry
Permission  not-accessible
Status  current
Index   cdxCmCpeMacAddress
MIB CISCO-DOCS-REMOTE-QUERY-MIB
Description A list of the cable modem's attributes
that are polled by a CMTS. 

So far, so good. I managed to get the MIB file
CISCO-DOCS-REMOTE-QUERY-MIB.my and i saw that it can
be used since version 12.1(2)T1, or this is what i
understood from 'added 12.1(2)T1'. Another problem is
that the software version on my uBR is 
12.0(10)SC - early deployment release software (i
assume i need an upgrade :))).

Now. I have a few linux boxes and i run MRTG. Can
someone explain how am i supposed to use the info i
have to get those pieces of information i am so bugged
about?


Thanks in advance,
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cable network [7:56267]

2002-10-25 Thread Barbu Alexandru
Hi guys! I have a probem with some cable modems.
The fact is that in the network there are around 150
cable modems and the uBR can't see more than 90. I
tried a: 'clear cable modem all reset' and the same no
of modems is seen(90). The problem was that we had a
power outage and the uBR was reset.. If the cable
modems are hardware reset, the uBR sees them. I assume
there has to be a way to solve this problem without
going to each and every customer and reset the cable
modem.. 
 Thanks in advance,


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RE: cable network [7:56267]

2002-10-25 Thread Peter van der Voort
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 Hi guys! I have a probem with some cable modems.
 The fact is that in the network there are around 150
 cable modems and the uBR can't see more than 90. I
 tried a: 'clear cable modem all reset' and the same no
 of modems is seen(90). 
This command won't reach the modems that you can't see of course, so those
modems won't be reset.

The problem was that we had a
 power outage and the uBR was reset.. If the cable
 modems are hardware reset, the uBR sees them. I assume
 there has to be a way to solve this problem without
 going to each and every customer and reset the cable
 modem.. 
When a modem looses the frequency it was acquired on, it starts scanning for
another one. At first, it takes steps of (I believe) 3 MHz. So it doesn't
take a very long time to go through the whole spectrum.
But when it still can't find a frequency, it starts scanning in steps of 125
kHz. And then it can take an awfull lot of time for the modem to acquire
again.

When you reboot the modem, it will start looking for the frequency it was
last acquired on, before it starts scanning.
So that's why a modem comes online immediately after a power cycle.

Maybe you're just not waiting long enough for the modem to re-acquire again?
It would be interesting to see what the modem is doing, so maybe you can get
a friendly customer to look at that via the web browser? (If that's
possible, as I don't know the make of the modem) At least then you know if
the modem is scanning or just locked up.

Hope that helps.

Peter

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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)
On Mar 9, 12:16pm, Andrew Dorsett wrote:
} On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth) wrote:
} 
}  } If it was Ethernet, the only way it could have worked is if the second
} pair
}  } happened to go to another switch port. You can't turn one switch port
} into
}  } two simply by splitting the cable.
} 
}   Although, you can do this, I wouldn't advise it except in cases
}  where it would be very difficult to run additional cable.  Also, if
}  this was the case, I would expect the hotel to provide the splitter, or
}  better yet, install a dual outlet jack.
} 
} While splitting the 4 pair into two seperate switch ports violates the
} Cat5(e) specs; it is do-able on short, relatively interference free
} cable runs.  Virginia Tech, for instance, uses that as a short-term
} solution when they have to place three students in one dorm room that was
} intended for two people.
} They take one of the two cables going into the room and modify it.  The
} standard 2 pair are used for one switch port and the other two pair are
} split off to another switch port.  Then they supply the extra student with
} a custom wired splitter that they attach to the modified ethernet portal.

 This is certainly a relatively cheap way of doing it.  Although,
given the cost of switch ports on decent switches, they could just as
well hand them a cheap hub.  Another way of doing it is to use a 3Com
Network Jack, which is basically a 4 port switched crammed onto a face
plate.  See:

http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/prodlist.jsp?tab=catpathtype=purchasecat=61selcat=Network+Jacksfamily=251

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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)
On Mar 9,  5:19pm, s vermill wrote:
} 
} Consider that the two tx leads physically tie together.  So if both
stations
} were to transmit simultaneously, each would have a comparator that is

 Consider what could happen if both transmitters decided to drive
the line in opposite directions for any length of time.  It could burn
out the transmitters...  Time to buy some more NICs...

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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
s vermill wrote:
 
 Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
  
  Back to the Ethernet question. Does the splitter simply take
  the four wires that 10BaseT uses and make 2 wires out of each,
  sending one of each to each port? What an awful thing to do to
  an Ethernet! You bad boys. ;-)
 
 Quite devious indeed!  And yes, the splitter has one male RJ-45
 and a modular body that has two female RJ-45s pointing in the
 opposite direction.  Pin 1 from the male goes to pin 1 of both
 females, etc.
 
  
  As Scott mentioned, some books make it sound like the sender
  loops back what it sends so that it can compare that with what
  it receives back from the hub, sort of implying that the hub
  sends back the transmitter's bits to the transmitter. A hub
  doesn't do that. And the loopback isn't used to do a bit-wise
  comparison with what the hub is sending, like some books
 imply.
  That would be computationally expensive and also isn't
  necessary. Simply receiving while you are sending means a
  collision occurred.
 
 I gave this some thought on my drive home.  I've read that NICs
 internally bridge tx to rx.  According to this theory, a
 comparator circuit outputs zero as long as what is on tx is
 also on rx.  If someone else collides, the comparator outputs
 something other than zero, because what is on rx is now a
 combination of the colliding signal and what tx was
 outputting.  Does that make sense?  I realize this may be urban
 myth 

I've seen this in books also. It may be true. But I also noticed that Odom
backed off (so to speak) on how he explains this. I used to have an old copy
of his CCNA book for teaching. In the new edition, he has changed that
discussion.

 (especially since, as you pointed out, this is a lot more
 expensive than just declaring a collision if you rx while
 tx'ing), but it would be interesting if some or all NICs
 actually did this.  Because then, although CSMA/CD still
 wouldn't work for the reasons already mentioned, the collision
 between the two stations would be detected and backoff would
 take place.  Otherwise, it would be up to upper layer protocols
 to retrans.

The two stations still wouldn't see each other.

The books that are wrong, by the way, make it sound like the hub sends back
to the transmitter, which it doesn't. Are you implying that it would in this
case? I don't think it would.

I'm in a rush. Talk to you later. ;-)

Priscilla


 
  
  What this means is that in this RJ45 splitter situation, the
  two senders don't know when the other one is sending. The hub
  isn't putting it back onto their receive wires. They can still
  do ordinary collision detection if some other station in the
  collision domain sends while they are sending, but they can't
  hear each other.
  
  The result must be severly errored frames that the hub merrily
  propagates to all ports! That's very bad. I think the only
  reason it works is because the recipient NICs drop the garbage
  and upper layers at the sender retransmit. Also, it works
  because the stations aren't actually sending at the same time
 a
  lot of the time.
  
  Now I wonder why the splitter didn't work on the switch? Did
  the switch diable the port due to the high number of
  CRC-errored frames or did it recognize some other problem??
 Was
  there a link light?
 
 Just for old times sake, I plugged that splitter back into a
 wall jack and tried it with our switch (unfortunately, that
 sits where I couldn't easily get to it, so I can't answer the
 link light question at the moment).  Sure enough, I got that
 cable unplugged popup on both machines.  I'm guessing that
 your'e right about the switch locking out the port.  Our IS
 folks were gone for the evening, so I couldn't ask them if they
 have the ports locked down to a single MAC, or anything along
 those lines.  It might simply be that having two NICs on a
 switch port causes impedence issues that didn't affect a hub in
 quite the same way?
 
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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread Andrew Dorsett
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth) wrote:

 } If it was Ethernet, the only way it could have worked is if the second
pair
 } happened to go to another switch port. You can't turn one switch port
into
 } two simply by splitting the cable.

  Although, you can do this, I wouldn't advise it except in cases
 where it would be very difficult to run additional cable.  Also, if
 this was the case, I would expect the hotel to provide the splitter, or
 better yet, install a dual outlet jack.

While splitting the 4 pair into two seperate switch ports violates the
Cat5(e) specs; it is do-able on short, relatively interference free
cable runs.  Virginia Tech, for instance, uses that as a short-term
solution when they have to place three students in one dorm room that was
intended for two people.
They take one of the two cables going into the room and modify it.  The
standard 2 pair are used for one switch port and the other two pair are
split off to another switch port.  Then they supply the extra student with
a custom wired splitter that they attach to the modified ethernet portal.

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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread s vermill
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 s vermill wrote:
  
  Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
   
   Back to the Ethernet question. Does the splitter simply take
   the four wires that 10BaseT uses and make 2 wires out of
 each,
   sending one of each to each port? What an awful thing to do
 to
   an Ethernet! You bad boys. ;-)
  
  Quite devious indeed!  And yes, the splitter has one male
 RJ-45
  and a modular body that has two female RJ-45s pointing in the
  opposite direction.  Pin 1 from the male goes to pin 1 of both
  females, etc.
  
   
   As Scott mentioned, some books make it sound like the sender
   loops back what it sends so that it can compare that with
 what
   it receives back from the hub, sort of implying that the hub
   sends back the transmitter's bits to the transmitter. A hub
   doesn't do that. And the loopback isn't used to do a
 bit-wise
   comparison with what the hub is sending, like some books
  imply.
   That would be computationally expensive and also isn't
   necessary. Simply receiving while you are sending means a
   collision occurred.
  
  I gave this some thought on my drive home.  I've read that
 NICs
  internally bridge tx to rx.  According to this theory, a
  comparator circuit outputs zero as long as what is on tx is
  also on rx.  If someone else collides, the comparator outputs
  something other than zero, because what is on rx is now a
  combination of the colliding signal and what tx was
  outputting.  Does that make sense?  I realize this may be
 urban
  myth 
 
 I've seen this in books also. It may be true. But I also
 noticed that Odom backed off (so to speak) on how he explains
 this. I used to have an old copy of his CCNA book for teaching.
 In the new edition, he has changed that discussion.
 
  (especially since, as you pointed out, this is a lot more
  expensive than just declaring a collision if you rx while
  tx'ing), but it would be interesting if some or all NICs
  actually did this.  Because then, although CSMA/CD still
  wouldn't work for the reasons already mentioned, the collision
  between the two stations would be detected and backoff would
  take place.  Otherwise, it would be up to upper layer
 protocols
  to retrans.
 
 The two stations still wouldn't see each other.

Consider that the two tx leads physically tie together.  So if both stations
were to transmit simultaneously, each would have a comparator that is
expecting just the one transmitted signal.  What would show up on the
bridged rx lead would be the mess that the colliding signals created.  They
otherwise wouldn’t see one another.

But we digress.  Hubs are, of course, on the way out the door and this is a
bad practice anyway.  Before traveling, I used to upload all of my
in-progress files to a network share and then log my laptop in using the
splitter just long enough to pull them back down (i.e. I was lazy).  I would
then do the inverse upon return.  Just goes to show what happens when you
let a WAN jock play on the LAN!  (I'm semi-reformed at this stage and
acknowledge my debt to society)

 
 The books that are wrong, by the way, make it sound like the
 hub sends back to the transmitter, which it doesn't. Are you
 implying that it would in this case? I don't think it would.

No, that wouldn't make any sense.  Regardless of how NICs determine a
collision condition, it wouldn't work that a hub repeat back on the
transmitting port.  I was thinking outlout a post or two back.

Miller time(r)...

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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread s vermill
 
 No, that wouldn't make any sense.  Regardless of how NICs
 determine a collision condition, it wouldn't work that a hub
 repeat back on the transmitting port.  I was thinking outlout a
 post or two back.

Sometimes I am more revealing than I mean to be.  That was to have been out
loud.  Outlout comes *after* Miller time(r).



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RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The TX/RX loopback is inside the NIC, from what I understand. I don't
think the senders see each other's transmissions even though their TX wires
end up being the same wire past the splitter. But I always try to work above
the physical layer and may be missing something.

Well, it's time to move on. Enjoy your Miller. ;-)

Priscilla

s vermill wrote:
 
 Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
  
  s vermill wrote:
   
   Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

Back to the Ethernet question. Does the splitter simply
 take
the four wires that 10BaseT uses and make 2 wires out of
  each,
sending one of each to each port? What an awful thing to
 do
  to
an Ethernet! You bad boys. ;-)
   
   Quite devious indeed!  And yes, the splitter has one male
  RJ-45
   and a modular body that has two female RJ-45s pointing in
 the
   opposite direction.  Pin 1 from the male goes to pin 1 of
 both
   females, etc.
   

As Scott mentioned, some books make it sound like the
 sender
loops back what it sends so that it can compare that with
  what
it receives back from the hub, sort of implying that the
 hub
sends back the transmitter's bits to the transmitter. A
 hub
doesn't do that. And the loopback isn't used to do a
  bit-wise
comparison with what the hub is sending, like some books
   imply.
That would be computationally expensive and also isn't
necessary. Simply receiving while you are sending means a
collision occurred.
   
   I gave this some thought on my drive home.  I've read that
  NICs
   internally bridge tx to rx.  According to this theory, a
   comparator circuit outputs zero as long as what is on tx is
   also on rx.  If someone else collides, the comparator
 outputs
   something other than zero, because what is on rx is now a
   combination of the colliding signal and what tx was
   outputting.  Does that make sense?  I realize this may be
  urban
   myth 
  
  I've seen this in books also. It may be true. But I also
  noticed that Odom backed off (so to speak) on how he explains
  this. I used to have an old copy of his CCNA book for
 teaching.
  In the new edition, he has changed that discussion.
  
   (especially since, as you pointed out, this is a lot more
   expensive than just declaring a collision if you rx while
   tx'ing), but it would be interesting if some or all NICs
   actually did this.  Because then, although CSMA/CD still
   wouldn't work for the reasons already mentioned, the
 collision
   between the two stations would be detected and backoff would
   take place.  Otherwise, it would be up to upper layer
  protocols
   to retrans.
  
  The two stations still wouldn't see each other.
 
 Consider that the two tx leads physically tie together.  So if
 both stations were to transmit simultaneously, each would have
 a comparator that is expecting just the one transmitted
 signal.  What would show up on the bridged rx lead would be the
 mess that the colliding signals created.  They otherwise
 wouldn#8217;t see one another.
 
 But we digress.  Hubs are, of course, on the way out the door
 and this is a bad practice anyway.  Before traveling, I used to
 upload all of my in-progress files to a network share and then
 log my laptop in using the splitter just long enough to pull
 them back down (i.e. I was lazy).  I would then do the inverse
 upon return.  Just goes to show what happens when you let a WAN
 jock play on the LAN!  (I'm semi-reformed at this stage and
 acknowledge my debt to society)
 
  
  The books that are wrong, by the way, make it sound like the
  hub sends back to the transmitter, which it doesn't. Are you
  implying that it would in this case? I don't think it would.
 
 No, that wouldn't make any sense.  Regardless of how NICs
 determine a collision condition, it wouldn't work that a hub
 repeat back on the transmitting port.  I was thinking outlout a
 post or two back.
 
 Miller time(r)...
 
 Scott
 
 




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Re: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-17 Thread Kevin Wigle
I will volunteer a similar cable I have seen a long time ago.

Only 2 pairs are required for connection.  I have seen an adaptor where
two circuits were wired to provide two ports over one cable where there
wasn't enough wire strung.

At the patch panel two cables came out of one port into two switch ports.

At the distant end another adaptor broke out to two PCs.

For 10BaseT it worked OK.  Wouldn't want to try 100BaseTx

Kevin Wigle

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Subject: RE: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]


 The TX/RX loopback is inside the NIC, from what I understand. I don't
 think the senders see each other's transmissions even though their TX
wires
 end up being the same wire past the splitter. But I always try to work
above
 the physical layer and may be missing something.

 Well, it's time to move on. Enjoy your Miller. ;-)

 Priscilla

 s vermill wrote:
 
  Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
  
   s vermill wrote:
   
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

 Back to the Ethernet question. Does the splitter simply
  take
 the four wires that 10BaseT uses and make 2 wires out of
   each,
 sending one of each to each port? What an awful thing to
  do
   to
 an Ethernet! You bad boys. ;-)
   
Quite devious indeed!  And yes, the splitter has one male
   RJ-45
and a modular body that has two female RJ-45s pointing in
  the
opposite direction.  Pin 1 from the male goes to pin 1 of
  both
females, etc.
   

 As Scott mentioned, some books make it sound like the
  sender
 loops back what it sends so that it can compare that with
   what
 it receives back from the hub, sort of implying that the
  hub
 sends back the transmitter's bits to the transmitter. A
  hub
 doesn't do that. And the loopback isn't used to do a
   bit-wise
 comparison with what the hub is sending, like some books
imply.
 That would be computationally expensive and also isn't
 necessary. Simply receiving while you are sending means a
 collision occurred.
   
I gave this some thought on my drive home.  I've read that
   NICs
internally bridge tx to rx.  According to this theory, a
comparator circuit outputs zero as long as what is on tx is
also on rx.  If someone else collides, the comparator
  outputs
something other than zero, because what is on rx is now a
combination of the colliding signal and what tx was
outputting.  Does that make sense?  I realize this may be
   urban
myth
  
   I've seen this in books also. It may be true. But I also
   noticed that Odom backed off (so to speak) on how he explains
   this. I used to have an old copy of his CCNA book for
  teaching.
   In the new edition, he has changed that discussion.
  
(especially since, as you pointed out, this is a lot more
expensive than just declaring a collision if you rx while
tx'ing), but it would be interesting if some or all NICs
actually did this.  Because then, although CSMA/CD still
wouldn't work for the reasons already mentioned, the
  collision
between the two stations would be detected and backoff would
take place.  Otherwise, it would be up to upper layer
   protocols
to retrans.
  
   The two stations still wouldn't see each other.
 
  Consider that the two tx leads physically tie together.  So if
  both stations were to transmit simultaneously, each would have
  a comparator that is expecting just the one transmitted
  signal.  What would show up on the bridged rx lead would be the
  mess that the colliding signals created.  They otherwise
  wouldn#8217;t see one another.
 
  But we digress.  Hubs are, of course, on the way out the door
  and this is a bad practice anyway.  Before traveling, I used to
  upload all of my in-progress files to a network share and then
  log my laptop in using the splitter just long enough to pull
  them back down (i.e. I was lazy).  I would then do the inverse
  upon return.  Just goes to show what happens when you let a WAN
  jock play on the LAN!  (I'm semi-reformed at this stage and
  acknowledge my debt to society)
 
  
   The books that are wrong, by the way, make it sound like the
   hub sends back to the transmitter, which it doesn't. Are you
   implying that it would in this case? I don't think it would.
 
  No, that wouldn't make any sense.  Regardless of how NICs
  determine a collision condition, it wouldn't work that a hub
  repeat back on the transmitting port.  I was thinking outlout a
  post or two back.
 
  Miller time(r)...
 
  Scott




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can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-16 Thread Sim, CT (Chee Tong)

Hi..  I have a friend staying in the hostel room which has a wall port
(RJ45) link to the internet.  As there are two persons (two PC) staying in
that room.  So they bought a cable splitter.  (one side with one female RJ45
jack and another side with two female RJ45 jack).  So that two PCs can
connect to internet at the same time, However, I did the same thing to my
switch port to make it one switch port to two ports but my PCs that
connected to the two ports can't connect to the network at all.  Did I did
anything wrong? Bought the wrong cable splitter? Or my friend's campus end
back is different from mine?

 

Thanks a lot

 

  


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Re: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-16 Thread The Long and Winding Road

better off buying a cheap hub.

someone better versed in the electronics than I will explain this.
Essentially, the splitter does not provide the right circuitry back to the
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 Hi..  I have a friend staying in the hostel room which has a wall port
 (RJ45) link to the internet.  As there are two persons (two PC) staying in
 that room.  So they bought a cable splitter.  (one side with one female
RJ45
 jack and another side with two female RJ45 jack).  So that two PCs can
 connect to internet at the same time, However, I did the same thing to my
 switch port to make it one switch port to two ports but my PCs that
 connected to the two ports can't connect to the network at all.  Did I did
 anything wrong? Bought the wrong cable splitter? Or my friend's campus end
 back is different from mine?



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Re: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)

On Mar 8, 12:51am, Sim, CT (Chee Tong) wrote:
}
} Hi..  I have a friend staying in the hostel room which has a wall port
} (RJ45) link to the internet.  As there are two persons (two PC) staying in
} that room.  So they bought a cable splitter.  (one side with one female
RJ45
} jack and another side with two female RJ45 jack).  So that two PCs can
} connect to internet at the same time, However, I did the same thing to my
} switch port to make it one switch port to two ports but my PCs that
} connected to the two ports can't connect to the network at all.  Did I did

 No surprise there.

} anything wrong? Bought the wrong cable splitter? Or my friend's campus end

 Yes.  No.

} back is different from mine?

 Maybe.

 10BaseT is physically a point to point topology, not a bus
topology.  You can not connect multiple devices to a single port.  You
must use a hub or a switch.

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Re: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-16 Thread Mike Martins

A UTP cable has eight wires (one day with we will use them all). An ethernet
connection uses 4 wires (pins 1,2,3,6) at the moment CDDI (1,2,7,8 I think).
All a cable splitter does is it saves you running two seperate cables to a
destination, it uses the spare 4 wires and makes an extra cable point.
Got nothing to do with electronics. 


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Re: can cable spliter create more switch port? [7:55667]

2002-10-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)

On Mar 8,  9:26am, Mike Martins wrote:
}
} A UTP cable has eight wires (one day with we will use them all). An
ethernet

 We already have.  It's called 100BaseT4 or 1000BaseTX.

} All a cable splitter does is it saves you running two seperate cables to a
} destination, it uses the spare 4 wires and makes an extra cable point.

 Although it is possible that he got one that works this way, I
suspect the one he got connects all eight wires in parallel to all
connectors.  Still won't work though.

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