Re: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-10 Thread Wilson Huang
Hi, guys:

Why not consider 2523 i/o 2522 ?

In the hardware spec, Cisco 2523 is the same as 2522, all the difference is
2523 is Token-Ring based,
In eBay, you could find out that R2523 is cheaper than R2522,
For the cost issues, I would suggest the 2523.

If the cost/price is not the issues, maybe you could consider 4500/4700M+
with NP-4Ts,
4500/4700 has more horsepower than 2522/2523...

Wilson




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From: Devraj, Prem 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi Larry,

 I want to connect 8 port for a LAB Scenario which I have. I was thinking
of
 buying a 2522, I was just wondering if anyone has any better ideas then
 buying this 2522

 Thanks
 prem

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2003 9 9 14:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has
 A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial
 Router...


 Larry Letterman
 Cisco Systems




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 Hi All,

 I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
 switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one.
 Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
 switch.

 My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
 possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
 a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation.

 Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

 Thanks
 prem


 
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RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Larry Letterman
You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has 
A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial 
Router...


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems




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Hi All,

I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one. 
Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
switch.

My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation. 

Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

Thanks
prem



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RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Devraj, Prem
Hi Larry,

I want to connect 8 port for a LAB Scenario which I have. I was thinking of
buying a 2522, I was just wondering if anyone has any better ideas then
buying this 2522

Thanks
prem

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has 
A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial 
Router...


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems




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Subject: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


Hi All,

I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one. 
Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
switch.

My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation. 

Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

Thanks
prem



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Re: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Wilson Huang
Hi, guys:

Why not consider 2523 i/o 2522 ?

In the hardware spec, Cisco 2523 is the same as 2522, all the difference is
2523 is Token-Ring based,
In eBay, you could find out that R2523 is cheaper than R2522,
For the cost issues, I would suggest the 2523.

If the cost/price is not the issues, maybe you could consider 4500/4700M+
with NP-4Ts,
4500/4700 has more horsepower than 2522/2523...

Wilson




- Original Message -
From: Devraj, Prem 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi Larry,

 I want to connect 8 port for a LAB Scenario which I have. I was thinking
of
 buying a 2522, I was just wondering if anyone has any better ideas then
 buying this 2522

 Thanks
 prem

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2003 9 9 14:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has
 A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial
 Router...


 Larry Letterman
 Cisco Systems




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 Subject: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi All,

 I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
 switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one.
 Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
 switch.

 My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
 possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
 a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation.

 Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

 Thanks
 prem


 
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Re: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Brad
Sure, you could use an older 7000 series router with 8 serial interfaces.
You could also use a 2523.  there is also a module for 26xx/36xx routers
called an NM-8A/S which would also work.  However the best solution is a
2522 or 2523.  Old 7000 series routers are really big, extremely loud, and
use lots of power.

thanks,
-Brad Ellis
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Network Learning Inc
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 Hi Larry,

 I want to connect 8 port for a LAB Scenario which I have. I was thinking
of
 buying a 2522, I was just wondering if anyone has any better ideas then
 buying this 2522

 Thanks
 prem

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2003 9 9 14:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has
 A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial
 Router...


 Larry Letterman
 Cisco Systems




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 Subject: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi All,

 I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
 switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one.
 Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
 switch.

 My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
 possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
 a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation.

 Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

 Thanks
 prem


 
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Re: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Duy Nguyen
If you want to do more than j/a frame switch, than a 7000 would be ideal.
Fast ethernet, atm, and frame-relay switch all in one.
- Original Message -
From: Devraj, Prem 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:49 AM
Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi Larry,

 I want to connect 8 port for a LAB Scenario which I have. I was thinking
of
 buying a 2522, I was just wondering if anyone has any better ideas then
 buying this 2522

 Thanks
 prem

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2003 9 9 14:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 You can use the routers back to back with the v.35 cables..CCO has
 A write-up on back-back frame connections..or buy an 8 port serial
 Router...


 Larry Letterman
 Cisco Systems




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 Subject: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]


 Hi All,

 I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay
 switch. And it seems to expensive to buy one.
 Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay
 switch.

 My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is
 possible to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as
 a Tunnel for Frame relay encapsulation.

 Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

 Thanks
 prem


 
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RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-09 Thread Zhao Frank
I share my idea with you blow:

Please application 2 ISDN lines and buy 2 ISDN modems, in china, you only
need to pay RMB 50 per month for the lines, so cheap.

Good luck!


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Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-08 Thread Devraj, Prem
Hi All,

I am trying to setup a Lab for my CCIE. I do not have a Frame relay switch.
And it seems to expensive to buy one. 
Does anyone have any ideas for a cheaper version of a Frame relay switch.

My requirement is atleast 8 ports. A friend of mine told me it is possible
to use a ordinary switch (I have tones of them) and use that as a Tunnel for
Frame relay encapsulation. 

Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed.

Thanks
prem


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RE: Frame Relay Switch [7:75019]

2003-09-08 Thread Raj Singh
You can get a 2522 with 10 port serial for around $500.

Raj


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Issue Redistributing Connected Frame Relay Subint [7:74904]

2003-09-05 Thread alaerte Vidali
Redistributing is not working for Frame Relay subinterfaces. 

R1

inter loo 0
 ip ad 100.100.100.1 255.255.255.255
!
inter eth 0
 ip ad 172.16.13.9 255.255.255.252

int ser 0.1 point-to-point
 ip ad 192.168.12.5 255.255.255.252
 frame-relay interface-dlci 112
!
router ospf 1
 netw 172.16.13.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
 redistribute connected subnets metric 10

Network 192.168.12.4 does not appear on R2's routing table. 

Any Thoughts?


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RE: Frame Relay Back To Back Static PVC [7:72869]

2003-08-05 Thread Maximus
Thanks Alex but when your routers are going back to back LMIs are 
turned  off with the no keepalive command.  I believe because a Frame 
switch is not involved in creating the PVC.

In any case I updated the IOS image to 12.3.1a on both routers and 
the connection comes back up without any issues even after being unplugged
and reconnected.

Degracia, Alex wrote:
 
 Make sure lmi is being exchanged.
 
 Turn on keepalives for the pvc.
 
 
 
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 From: Maximus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:13 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Frame Relay Back To Back Static PVC [7:72869]
 
 
 Per these instructions, I am able to bring my frame connection
 online:
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/frbacktoback.html
 
 However when I intentionally break the connection (Pull the
 Cable)the PVC doesn't automatically come back up.  Is it because its
 static to begin with?  I know I'm probably missing something very 
 obvious but could you explain why the interface does not come back 
 online after being reconnected?  So far, the only way I can get the 
 connection back online is by using a hard/software configured 
 loopback and  removing it at which point I'm up, up.
 
 Thanks.
 
 BTW Using IOS versions 12.1(20) and 11.2(26)P4. Configs are
 identical to the
 instructions.
 
 




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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Mul [7:73431]

2003-08-03 Thread Zsombor Papp
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
 When you consider interface buffers are allocated to each 
 subinterface

Which command displays information about the buffers allocated to the
subinterfaces?

XXX#sh ip int br | inc Serial 
Serial4/0  unassigned  YES manual up   
up
Serial4/0.3172.168.1.1 YES manual up   
up
Serial4/0.4172.168.1.5 YES manual up   
up
Serial4/1  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
Serial4/2  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
Serial4/3  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
XXX#sh buffer | inc Serial
Serial4/0 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/1 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/2 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/3 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
XXX#

Thanks,

Zsombor


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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Mul [7:73431]

2003-08-03 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 6:24 AM + 8/3/03, Zsombor Papp wrote:
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
  When you consider interface buffers are allocated to each
  subinterface

Which command displays information about the buffers allocated to the
subinterfaces?

Zsombor, interesting observation. I will have to check it; there may 
have been an IOS change. I _know_ I've run out of buffers on 2500s 
under IOS 11x by assigning too many p2p subinterfaces.

If the IOS has changed to buffer on a physical interface basis only, 
that may bring up different performance issues as a large number of 
subinterfaces contend for a limited number of buffers.


XXX#sh ip int br | inc Serial
Serial4/0  unassigned  YES manual up  
up
Serial4/0.3172.168.1.1 YES manual up  
up
Serial4/0.4172.168.1.5 YES manual up  
up
Serial4/1  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
Serial4/2  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
Serial4/3  unassigned  YES manual administratively down
down
XXX#sh buffer | inc Serial   
Serial4/0 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/1 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/2 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
Serial4/3 buffers, 512 bytes (total 96, permanent 96):
XXX#

I also remember the buffers in question to be 10 per subinterface, 
and around 1600 bytes. I wonder if we are thinking of two different 
pools?




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Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73410]

2003-08-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Guys,

Very quick one here.

If I have a hub site with 5 spoke sites on an FR network,  I could use FR
P2P sub ints or P2M sub ints.

Why would I prefer a P2P over P2M method?  The routing protocol would be
EIGRP and apart from broadcast traffic being 5 times more than a P2P
network, why would it be better for a P2P.  I mean the split horizon can be
turned off on the hub multipoint interface.

Sorry if this sounds like dumb question?

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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73415]

2003-08-02 Thread Charles Cthulhu Riley
Less IP addresses used?

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 Guys,

 Very quick one here.

 If I have a hub site with 5 spoke sites on an FR network,  I could use FR
 P2P sub ints or P2M sub ints.

 Why would I prefer a P2P over P2M method?  The routing protocol would be
 EIGRP and apart from broadcast traffic being 5 times more than a P2P
 network, why would it be better for a P2P.  I mean the split horizon can
be
 turned off on the hub multipoint interface.

 Sorry if this sounds like dumb question?

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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73416]

2003-08-02 Thread
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 Guys,

 Very quick one here.

 If I have a hub site with 5 spoke sites on an FR network,  I could use FR
 P2P sub ints or P2M sub ints.

 Why would I prefer a P2P over P2M method?  The routing protocol would be
 EIGRP and apart from broadcast traffic being 5 times more than a P2P
 network, why would it be better for a P2P.  I mean the split horizon can
be
 turned off on the hub multipoint interface.

this is a fascinating question to me. I wonder if the real reason different
people prefer different approaches is more a personality thing than a real
design thing.

I prefer P2P subinterfaces, because at heart I think in terms of a wire that
goes from here to there. I ususally do numbering schemes that have an
internal logic to them and P2P is easier for me to deal with in terms of
this logic.

you are correct that split horizon can be turned off. You can make
adjustments within any routing protocol execpt maybe for IS-IS either way.

I guess in my case, I like things to be simple, and the more configuration I
have to do, the more subtleties I have to worry about, the less I like it
because it starts becoming work ;-

I'd be curious what some other folks who do a lot of network installation
think. Over the past few years I've sold quite a few smaller networks, all
hub and spoke, and mostly frame relay types ( although lately that has
changed to more RLAN - ATM to DSL ) In every case I have done things the
subinterface way because I personally believe it is easier to document and
easier to troubleshoot.

But that's just me.




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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73417]

2003-08-02 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 3:35 PM + 8/2/03, Charles Cthulhu Riley wrote:
Less IP addresses used?

Typically, the advantage of P2P is that you can impose individual 
policies on each spoke. A basic such example would be bandwidth 
matching the CIR if all CIR's are not the same.  Spoke-specific 
access lists would be another.  Routing configuration generally is 
easier.

You also get finer granularity for SNMP, accounting, etc.

P2M might slightly conserve IP addresses, but, more significantly, it 
conserves Interface Descriptor Blocks (IDB) and interface buffers in 
the IOS.  In some respects, it's more intuitive, although the routing 
configuration is more complex.

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  Guys,

  Very quick one here.

  If I have a hub site with 5 spoke sites on an FR network,  I could use FR
  P2P sub ints or P2M sub ints.

  Why would I prefer a P2P over P2M method?  The routing protocol would be
  EIGRP and apart from broadcast traffic being 5 times more than a P2P
  network, why would it be better for a P2P.  I mean the split horizon can
be
   turned off on the hub multipoint interface.




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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73429]

2003-08-02 Thread
Howard C. Berkowitz  wrote in message
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 At 3:35 PM + 8/2/03, Charles Cthulhu Riley wrote:
 Less IP addresses used?

 Typically, the advantage of P2P is that you can impose individual
 policies on each spoke. A basic such example would be bandwidth
 matching the CIR if all CIR's are not the same.  Spoke-specific
 access lists would be another.  Routing configuration generally is
 easier.

 You also get finer granularity for SNMP, accounting, etc.

 P2M might slightly conserve IP addresses, but, more significantly, it
 conserves Interface Descriptor Blocks (IDB) and interface buffers in
 the IOS.  In some respects, it's more intuitive, although the routing
 configuration is more complex.


This was probably an important issue several IOS versions ago. These days,
with limits in the thousands ( maybe up to 10,000? ) descriptor blocks
available, even on the lowly 2501, this is no longer an issue.

As I once said in another lifetime, changes in hardware and software have
led to less concern with traditional design issues that were centered around
scarce resources.

If I can trust the Cisco writings on the topic, trhe more modern QoS
mechanisms have even led to more effective use of WAN bandwidth, which has
continued to be the real bottleneck in networking. Tools such as RED, WRED,
and tail drop have helped alleviate the problems associated with the
phenomenon of global synchronization. I suspect the work of the IETF and
queueing theory researchers over the past decade of so have led to a more
effective use of bandwidth, meaning that more data can use the same link. If
I understand correctly.



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   Guys,
 
   Very quick one here.
 
   If I have a hub site with 5 spoke sites on an FR network,  I could use
FR
   P2P sub ints or P2M sub ints.
 
   Why would I prefer a P2P over P2M method?  The routing protocol would
be
   EIGRP and apart from broadcast traffic being 5 times more than a P2P
   network, why would it be better for a P2P.  I mean the split horizon
can
 be
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Re: Frame Relay Design Consideration (P2P or P2Multipoint) [7:73431]

2003-08-02 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 1:40 AM + 8/3/03,  Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter  wrote:
Howard C. Berkowitz  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  At 3:35 PM + 8/2/03, Charles Cthulhu Riley wrote:
  Less IP addresses used?

  Typically, the advantage of P2P is that you can impose individual
  policies on each spoke. A basic such example would be bandwidth
  matching the CIR if all CIR's are not the same.  Spoke-specific
  access lists would be another.  Routing configuration generally is
  easier.

  You also get finer granularity for SNMP, accounting, etc.

  P2M might slightly conserve IP addresses, but, more significantly, it
  conserves Interface Descriptor Blocks (IDB) and interface buffers in
  the IOS.  In some respects, it's more intuitive, although the routing
  configuration is more complex.


This was probably an important issue several IOS versions ago. These days,
with limits in the thousands ( maybe up to 10,000? ) descriptor blocks
available, even on the lowly 2501, this is no longer an issue.

As I once said in another lifetime, changes in hardware and software have
led to less concern with traditional design issues that were centered around
scarce resources.

Agreed that the IDB limit is not the issue with appropriate releases. 
When you consider interface buffers are allocated to each 
subinterface, however, that's a different memory impact on a small 
router.  Admittedly, that isn't as major with the newer platforms. On 
a 2501 with 2MB shared RAM (where the buffers go), it's major.


If I can trust the Cisco writings on the topic, trhe more modern QoS
mechanisms have even led to more effective use of WAN bandwidth, which has
continued to be the real bottleneck in networking.

That bottleneck, as you know, isn't necessarily absolute bandwidth, 
but queueing delay in access to bandwidth by latency-sensitive 
applications.

Tools such as RED, WRED,
and tail drop have helped alleviate the problems associated with the
phenomenon of global synchronization. I suspect the work of the IETF and
queueing theory researchers over the past decade of so have led to a more
effective use of bandwidth, meaning that more data can use the same link. If
I understand correctly.




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Frame Relay Back To Back Static PVC [7:72869]

2003-07-23 Thread Maximus
Per these instructions, I am able to bring my frame connection online:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/frbacktoback.html

However when I intentionally break the connection (Pull the Cable) 
the PVC doesn't automatically come back up.  Is it because its static to
begin with?  I know I'm probably missing something very obvious but could
you explain why the interface does not come back online after being
reconnected?  So far, the only way I can get the connection back online is
by using a hard/software configured loopback and  removing it at which point
I'm up, up.

Thanks.

BTW Using IOS versions 12.1(20) and 11.2(26)P4. Configs are identical to the
instructions.


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RE: Frame Relay Back To Back Static PVC [7:72869]

2003-07-23 Thread Degracia, Alex
Make sure lmi is being exchanged.

Turn on keepalives for the pvc.



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Per these instructions, I am able to bring my frame connection online:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/frbacktoback.html

However when I intentionally break the connection (Pull the Cable) 
the PVC doesn't automatically come back up.  Is it because its static to
begin with?  I know I'm probably missing something very obvious but could
you explain why the interface does not come back online after being
reconnected?  So far, the only way I can get the connection back online is
by using a hard/software configured loopback and  removing it at which point
I'm up, up.

Thanks.

BTW Using IOS versions 12.1(20) and 11.2(26)P4. Configs are identical to the
instructions.




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need input on a frame relay t1 problem [7:72621]

2003-07-19 Thread Wilmes, Rusty
I've got a frame line thats almost 100% errors, mostly framing.  Local
Hardware is a 1604 w/ t1 wic (for testing purposes only.  will be a 3640.)
Remote hardware for the 6 pvc's are 1604's w/ t1 wics on fractional frame
lines.  Remotes have existing pvcs back to the 3640 on the production
network.

PVCs come up but line protocol bounces continuously.
telco has reported that they can get to their network termination but not to
my csu.  I've triple checked the extension from the NIU to the WIC and it
looks good.  Its about 75 feet of shielded t1 cable.  Tried both clock
source line and clock source internal.  on clock source line I lose the pvcs
(deleted).  Telco verified lmi type cisco (they had it at auto but changed
to cisco).  I tried ANSI on my side and got no LMI rcvs.  W/ type set to
cisco LMI enq/rcv is incrementing but drifting all over the place.
Interface resets increment each time I lose line protocol.  Carrier resets
are incrementing slowly as well.

Im still suspecting telco issues but any input would be greatly appreciated.




interface Serial0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 fair-queue 64 32 0
 service-module t1 clock source internal
 service-module t1 timeslots all
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco

local-test#sho int s0
Serial0 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is QUICC Serial (with FT1 CSU/DSU WIC)
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 189/255, load 1/255
  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
  LMI enq sent  18, LMI stat recvd 11, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
  LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
  LMI DLCI 1023  LMI type is CISCO  frame relay DTE
  Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 76/0, interface broadcasts
66
  Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:00, output hang never
  Last clearing of show interface counters 00:03:06
  Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/1/32 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 1 packets/sec
 19 packets input, 1466 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 11 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 1154 input errors, 89 CRC, 737 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 328 abort
 99 packets output, 8280 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
 
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#sho frame lmi
 
LMI Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE) LMI TYPE = CISCO
  Invalid Unnumbered info 0Invalid Prot Disc 0
  Invalid dummy Call Ref 0Invalid Msg Type 0
  Invalid Status Message 0Invalid Lock Shift 0
  Invalid Information ID 0Invalid Report IE Len 0
  Invalid Report Request 0Invalid Keep IE Len 0
  Num Status Enq. Sent 19Num Status msgs Rcvd 12
  Num Update Status Rcvd 0Num Status Timeouts 8




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Re: need input on a frame relay t1 problem [7:72621]

2003-07-19 Thread Jonathan V Hays
Wilmes, Rusty wrote:
 I've got a frame line thats almost 100% errors, mostly framing.  Local
 Hardware is a 1604 w/ t1 wic (for testing purposes only.  will be a 3640.)
 Remote hardware for the 6 pvc's are 1604's w/ t1 wics on fractional frame
 lines.  Remotes have existing pvcs back to the 3640 on the production
 network.
 
 PVCs come up but line protocol bounces continuously.
 telco has reported that they can get to their network termination but not
to
 my csu.  I've triple checked the extension from the NIU to the WIC and it
 looks good.  Its about 75 feet of shielded t1 cable.  Tried both clock
 source line and clock source internal.  on clock source line I lose the
pvcs
 (deleted).  Telco verified lmi type cisco (they had it at auto but changed
 to cisco).  I tried ANSI on my side and got no LMI rcvs.  W/ type set to
 cisco LMI enq/rcv is incrementing but drifting all over the place.
 Interface resets increment each time I lose line protocol.  Carrier resets
 are incrementing slowly as well.
 
 Im still suspecting telco issues but any input would be greatly
appreciated.
 
 
 
 
 interface Serial0
  no ip address
  encapsulation frame-relay
  fair-queue 64 32 0
  service-module t1 clock source internal
  service-module t1 timeslots all
  frame-relay lmi-type cisco
 
 local-test#sho int s0
 Serial0 is up, line protocol is up
   Hardware is QUICC Serial (with FT1 CSU/DSU WIC)
   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 189/255, load 1/255
   Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
   LMI enq sent  18, LMI stat recvd 11, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
   LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
   LMI DLCI 1023  LMI type is CISCO  frame relay DTE
   Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 76/0, interface broadcasts
 66
   Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:00, output hang never
   Last clearing of show interface counters 00:03:06
   Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
   Queueing strategy: weighted fair
   Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
  Conversations  0/1/32 (active/max active/max total)
  Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
   5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 1 packets/sec
  19 packets input, 1466 bytes, 0 no buffer
  Received 11 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
  1154 input errors, 89 CRC, 737 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 328 abort
  99 packets output, 8280 bytes, 0 underruns
  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
  0 carrier transitions
  DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
  
 local-test#
 local-test#
 local-test#
 local-test#
 local-test#sho frame lmi
  
 LMI Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE) LMI TYPE = CISCO
   Invalid Unnumbered info 0Invalid Prot Disc 0
   Invalid dummy Call Ref 0Invalid Msg Type 0
   Invalid Status Message 0Invalid Lock Shift 0
   Invalid Information ID 0Invalid Report IE Len 0
   Invalid Report Request 0Invalid Keep IE Len 0
   Num Status Enq. Sent 19Num Status msgs Rcvd 12
   Num Update Status Rcvd 0Num Status Timeouts 8
Without actually being there, it sounds like a clocking problem 
to me.

0. I'm surprised that you are using internal clocking. Getting 
clock from the telco is usually much more reliable than your DSU. 
Are they supposed to be providing clock?

1. Have you run any loopback tests on the interface? If the 
problem continues with the interface looped, it is likely to be a 
router or WIC-1T problem.

2. Do you have any spare hardware for swapping?
- swap the 75 foot cable
- swap the WIC-1T
- try direct serial-serial connection to another test router

3. Take a look at some debug output, such as debug serial 
interface and debug frame-relay

HTH




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RE: need input on a frame relay t1 problem [7:72621]

2003-07-19 Thread Wilmes, Rusty
Thanks to all.  We've isolated it to the house cabling extension.  If i jack
the router directly to the niu the line comes up and runs error free.  Crud,
I hate it when its not verizons fault :)
Thanks again,
Rusty


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Subject: need input on a frame relay t1 problem [7:72621]


I've got a frame line thats almost 100% errors, mostly framing.  Local
Hardware is a 1604 w/ t1 wic (for testing purposes only.  will be a 3640.)
Remote hardware for the 6 pvc's are 1604's w/ t1 wics on fractional frame
lines.  Remotes have existing pvcs back to the 3640 on the production
network.

PVCs come up but line protocol bounces continuously.
telco has reported that they can get to their network termination but not to
my csu.  I've triple checked the extension from the NIU to the WIC and it
looks good.  Its about 75 feet of shielded t1 cable.  Tried both clock
source line and clock source internal.  on clock source line I lose the pvcs
(deleted).  Telco verified lmi type cisco (they had it at auto but changed
to cisco).  I tried ANSI on my side and got no LMI rcvs.  W/ type set to
cisco LMI enq/rcv is incrementing but drifting all over the place.
Interface resets increment each time I lose line protocol.  Carrier resets
are incrementing slowly as well.

Im still suspecting telco issues but any input would be greatly appreciated.




interface Serial0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 fair-queue 64 32 0
 service-module t1 clock source internal
 service-module t1 timeslots all
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco

local-test#sho int s0
Serial0 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is QUICC Serial (with FT1 CSU/DSU WIC)
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 189/255, load 1/255
  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
  LMI enq sent  18, LMI stat recvd 11, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
  LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
  LMI DLCI 1023  LMI type is CISCO  frame relay DTE
  Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 76/0, interface broadcasts
66
  Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:00, output hang never
  Last clearing of show interface counters 00:03:06
  Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/1/32 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 1 packets/sec
 19 packets input, 1466 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 11 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 1154 input errors, 89 CRC, 737 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 328 abort
 99 packets output, 8280 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
 
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#
local-test#sho frame lmi
 
LMI Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE) LMI TYPE = CISCO
  Invalid Unnumbered info 0Invalid Prot Disc 0
  Invalid dummy Call Ref 0Invalid Msg Type 0
  Invalid Status Message 0Invalid Lock Shift 0
  Invalid Information ID 0Invalid Report IE Len 0
  Invalid Report Request 0Invalid Keep IE Len 0
  Num Status Enq. Sent 19Num Status msgs Rcvd 12
  Num Update Status Rcvd 0Num Status Timeouts 8




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RE: Frame-relay HSRP [7:72166]

2003-07-13 Thread mccloud mike
I have seen this problem before with frame. LMI being local to the frame
switch means the interface does not go down and backups routes do not kick
in. One way to overcome this is to monitor layer 2 by using the
#8220;frame-relay end-to-end keepalive mode bidirectional#8221; command
within a map class on both sides. This command sends a keepalive every 15
seconds, if 3 are missed the interface will change to down/down even though
the interface is receiving LMI from the frame switch. I hope this helps.

Mike 


Masaru Umetsu wrote:
 
 Dear all
 
 I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram is below.
 
 R1* *  *R3
 | * FR * |
 R2* *  *R4
 
 I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
 R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
 And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.
 
 When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0 of R1 ,
 then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
 But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0 of R3 is
 up-up.
 Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
 Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured frame-relay in
 main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in
 main-interface ?
 I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface 
 point-2-point
 definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ? Please
 explain me
 about this problem.
 
 




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RE: Frame-relay HSRP [7:72166]

2003-07-13 Thread Salvatore De Luca
Ahh yes.. you can do this also.. pending you have 12.0(5)T or later. The
only issue with that is you might want to modify the frame-relay end-to-end
keepalive timer As you stated, Within the 15 second intervals x3 you are
looking at a good 45 seconds before the WAN interface goes down down ,plus
another 10 for the HSRP holdtimer.


mccloud mike wrote:
 
 I have seen this problem before with frame. LMI being local to
 the frame switch means the interface does not go down and
 backups routes do not kick in. One way to overcome this is to
 monitor layer 2 by using the #8220;frame-relay end-to-end
 keepalive mode bidirectional#8221; command within a map class
 on both sides. This command sends a keepalive every 15 seconds,
 if 3 are missed the interface will change to down/down even
 though the interface is receiving LMI from the frame switch. I
 hope this helps.
 
 Mike 
 
 
 Masaru Umetsu wrote:
  
  Dear all
  
  I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram is below.
  
  R1* *  *R3
  | * FR * |
  R2* *  *R4
  
  I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
  R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
  And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.
  
  When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0 of R1 ,
  then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
  But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0 of R3 is
  up-up.
  Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
  Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured frame-relay
 in
  main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in
  main-interface ?
  I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface 
  point-2-point
  definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ? Please
  explain me
  about this problem.
  
  
 
 




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Re[2]: Frame-relay HSRP [7:72166]

2003-07-12 Thread Masaru Umetsu
Thanks Salvatore.

As a resolution, is it only to change the configuration from
main-interface to sub-interface p2p$B!)(B
If it is only sub-interface p2p, when and how should I use
main-interface frame-relay configuration ? Don't you usually use
main-interface
frame-relay configuration ?
Is there any solution by using current(main-interface) configuration to
resolve my problem ?
If there's something good to see, please let me know the URL or book.

Thanks.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:58:51 GMT
Salvatore De Luca  wrote:

nobody When you have a FR connection, you have a dedicated circuit to your
provider
nobody which then on taps into the frame cloud. So consider it alomost like
a
nobody point-to-point link to your local Carrier and then from there you
connect
nobody within the providers Frame Switch into their Frame Relay cloud. Now,
when
nobody you shutdown R1's Wan interface your HSRP failed over fine. The
reason that
nobody R3 was showing Up Up was that your circuit to your carrier from R3
did not
nobody go down and it stil exhanges LMI with R3's Physical interface, your
PVC
nobody should have been showing INACTIVE at this point though. I would
recommend
nobody using point-to-point subinterfaces on your FR WAN connections. When
you do
nobody this and then shut down one end of the link the line protocol on the
nobody sub-interface of R3 would go UP DOWN and if you then track the
nobody SUB-Interface, you should have a successful failover for the
Standby Track
nobody command on R3. Currently, you have outboud traffic going out R2
---R4 and
nobody return traffic going to the Active HSRP router R3 then dropping
packets
nobody because your PVC is INACTIVE and you are in an UP UP state..
nobody 
nobody You have successfully achieved Asymetrical routing.. :(
nobody 
nobody Until your Interface Line protocol Drops in an UP DOWN state on
R3's WAN
nobody interface.. then Standby Interface tracking wont do anything..
nobody 
nobody 
nobody Masaru Umetsu wrote:
nobody  
nobody  Dear all
nobody  
nobody  I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram is below.
nobody  
nobody  R1* *  *R3
nobody  | * FR * |
nobody  R2* *  *R4
nobody  
nobody  I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
nobody  R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
nobody  And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.
nobody  
nobody  When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0 of R1 ,
nobody  then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
nobody  But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0 of R3 is
nobody  up-up.
nobody  Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
nobody  Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured frame-relay in
nobody  main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in
nobody  main-interface ?
nobody  I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface 
nobody  point-2-point
nobody  definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ? Please
nobody  explain me
nobody  about this problem.
nobody  
nobody  
nobody 
nobody 
nobody 
nobody




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RE: Re[2]: Frame-relay HSRP [7:72166]

2003-07-12 Thread Salvatore De Luca
Masaru, 

  The main importance of the physical main interface configuration in
frame-relay is to set your encapsulation and or/LMI-Type if you use ANSI or
Q.933a, the default of CISCO is already set for you, and you do not need to
manually configure it either unless you have disabled inverse-arp. The
scenario I gave you resolves your issue with HSRP and the UP UP situation
for standby tracking. You want to generate a UP Down situation so you have a
true failover, which your current configuration cannot provide.. at least I
am not aware of another way. The advantage to sub-interfaces which include
scalability, dlci prioritization, and your little HSRP problem are just a
few the the added values of doing it.. You will always need the Physical
Interface configuration for Layer 2 capabilities, but the layer 3 can be
done on a sub-interface level where you will also specify your local dlci
information. In your setup you would want to use point-to-point links since
your not in a Hub-and-Spoke or Full-Mesh design, where you need multipoint
connections.If you use a subinterface.. and your link to R1 goes down, you
will generate an UP DOWN on R3's subinterface where if you track that
subinterface in HSRP, it will fail over to R4. Here is a URL that may help
anything I missed.. the Cisco DOC CD is a valuable source of information on
this kind of stuff.. You may also want to thoroughly read through Chapter 4
of Caslow/Pavlichenko's:Bridges, routers, and Switches for CCIE's. They
explain the different uses of Frame-relay pretty well.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/wan_c/wcdfrely.htm#31757

All the Best!
Sal


Masaru Umetsu wrote:
 
 Thanks Salvatore.
 
 As a resolution, is it only to change the configuration from
 main-interface to sub-interface p2p$B!)(B
 If it is only sub-interface p2p, when and how should I use
 main-interface frame-relay configuration ? Don't you usually
 use main-interface
 frame-relay configuration ?
 Is there any solution by using current(main-interface)
 configuration to
 resolve my problem ?
 If there's something good to see, please let me know the URL or
 book.
 
 Thanks.
 
 On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:58:51 GMT
 Salvatore De Luca  wrote:
 
 nobody When you have a FR connection, you have a dedicated
 circuit to your provider
 nobody which then on taps into the frame cloud. So consider it
 alomost like a
 nobody point-to-point link to your local Carrier and then from
 there you connect
 nobody within the providers Frame Switch into their Frame
 Relay cloud. Now, when
 nobody you shutdown R1's Wan interface your HSRP failed over
 fine. The reason that
 nobody R3 was showing Up Up was that your circuit to your
 carrier from R3 did not
 nobody go down and it stil exhanges LMI with R3's Physical
 interface, your PVC
 nobody should have been showing INACTIVE at this point though.
 I would recommend
 nobody using point-to-point subinterfaces on your FR WAN
 connections. When you do
 nobody this and then shut down one end of the link the line
 protocol on the
 nobody sub-interface of R3 would go UP DOWN and if you then
 track the
 nobody SUB-Interface, you should have a successful failover
 for the Standby Track
 nobody command on R3. Currently, you have outboud traffic
 going out R2 ---R4 and
 nobody return traffic going to the Active HSRP router R3
 then dropping packets
 nobody because your PVC is INACTIVE and you are in an UP UP
 state..
 nobody 
 nobody You have successfully achieved Asymetrical routing.. :(
 nobody 
 nobody Until your Interface Line protocol Drops in an UP
 DOWN state on R3's WAN
 nobody interface.. then Standby Interface tracking wont do
 anything..
 nobody 
 nobody 
 nobody Masaru Umetsu wrote:
 nobody  
 nobody  Dear all
 nobody  
 nobody  I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram
 is below.
 nobody  
 nobody  R1* *  *R3
 nobody  | * FR * |
 nobody  R2* *  *R4
 nobody  
 nobody  I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
 nobody  R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
 nobody  And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.
 nobody  
 nobody  When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0
 of R1 ,
 nobody  then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
 nobody  But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0
 of R3 is
 nobody  up-up.
 nobody  Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
 nobody  Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured
 frame-relay in
 nobody  main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in
 nobody  main-interface ?
 nobody  I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface 
 nobody  point-2-point
 nobody  definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ?
 Please
 nobody  explain me
 nobody  about this problem.
 nobody  
 nobody  
 nobody 
 nobody 
 nobody 
 nobody
 
 




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2003-07-11 Thread Masaru Umetsu
Dear all

I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram is below.

R1* *  *R3
| * FR * |
R2* *  *R4

I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.

When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0 of R1 ,
then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0 of R3 is up-up.
Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured frame-relay in
main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in main-interface ?
I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface  point-2-point
definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ? Please explain me
about this problem.




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RE: Frame-relay HSRP [7:72166]

2003-07-11 Thread Salvatore De Luca
When you have a FR connection, you have a dedicated circuit to your provider
which then on taps into the frame cloud. So consider it alomost like a
point-to-point link to your local Carrier and then from there you connect
within the providers Frame Switch into their Frame Relay cloud. Now, when
you shutdown R1's Wan interface your HSRP failed over fine. The reason that
R3 was showing Up Up was that your circuit to your carrier from R3 did not
go down and it stil exhanges LMI with R3's Physical interface, your PVC
should have been showing INACTIVE at this point though. I would recommend
using point-to-point subinterfaces on your FR WAN connections. When you do
this and then shut down one end of the link the line protocol on the
sub-interface of R3 would go UP DOWN and if you then track the
SUB-Interface, you should have a successful failover for the Standby Track
command on R3. Currently, you have outboud traffic going out R2 ---R4 and
return traffic going to the Active HSRP router R3 then dropping packets
because your PVC is INACTIVE and you are in an UP UP state..

You have successfully achieved Asymetrical routing.. :(

Until your Interface Line protocol Drops in an UP DOWN state on R3's WAN
interface.. then Standby Interface tracking wont do anything..


Masaru Umetsu wrote:
 
 Dear all
 
 I have a question about frame-relay. Network Diagram is below.
 
 R1* *  *R3
 | * FR * |
 R2* *  *R4
 
 I configured a HSRP between R1 and R2, R3 and R4.
 R1,R3 are Active router.(R2,R4 are Standby router)
 And I configured standby track in a Wan side of R1,R3.
 
 When I disabled(shutdown the interface) the serial0/0 of R1 ,
 then R2 became Active router. It's ok.
 But R3 didn't detect a down of Wan side,so serial0/0 of R3 is
 up-up.
 Therefore,I can't send a data between R2 and R4.
 Regarding Frame-relay configuration, I configured frame-relay in
 main-interface. Is it a mechanism of Frame-relay in
 main-interface ?
 I don't know in detail. Should I use sub-interface 
 point-2-point
 definition in frame-relay to use HSRP standby track ? Please
 explain me
 about this problem.
 
 




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Re: Cisco frame-relay question [7:71500]

2003-06-29 Thread Mai Nh Thnh
I think frame-relay local-dlci is used for specifying which PVC should 
be used on a interface, or in other word tie a interface to a PVC, 
especially when using sub-interface. When using physical interface, you 
may use frame-relay map command or inverse-arp in case you have only one 
PVC for that interface
MNThC nh
Support Division
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Wilmes, Rusty wrote:

It looks like it's used when LMI isn't available

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5187/products_command_refe
rence_chapter09186a008017cf53.html#1059567

Note   The frame-relay local-dlci command is provided mainly to allow
testing of the Frame Relay encapsulation in a setting where two servers are
connected back-to-back. This command is not required in a live Frame Relay
network.
  


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Hi all,

What is the cisco frame-relay local-dlci command used for ? 

Thanks in advance,
Paresh.
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RE: Cisco frame-relay question [7:71500]

2003-06-28 Thread azhar soomro
This command is used to to set the source DLCI for use when LMI is not
supported. This command is mainly used for testing of frame-relay
encapsulation when two servers are connected back to back.
Thanks 
Azhar





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RE: Cisco frame-relay question [7:71500]

2003-06-27 Thread Wilmes, Rusty
It looks like it's used when LMI isn't available

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5187/products_command_refe
rence_chapter09186a008017cf53.html#1059567

Note   The frame-relay local-dlci command is provided mainly to allow
testing of the Frame Relay encapsulation in a setting where two servers are
connected back-to-back. This command is not required in a live Frame Relay
network.

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Subject: Cisco frame-relay question [7:71500]

Hi all,

What is the cisco frame-relay local-dlci command used for ? 

Thanks in advance,
Paresh.




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Cisco frame-relay question [7:71500]

2003-06-26 Thread Paresh Khatri
Hi all,

What is the cisco frame-relay local-dlci command used for ? 

Thanks in advance,
Paresh.




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Re: Frame Relay over IP [7:70927]

2003-06-20 Thread Cisco Breaker
I am tryin to use Frame relay switching over IP. Not IP over frame relay. If
we can do that we can connect two sites that are connected over IP from L2
point of view.

Frame Relay

Frame Relay over IP is not yet readily available. The draft IETF
specification was produced

in March 2001. This has not left much time for industry take-up. Frame Relay
over IP

would probably appeal only to the carrier market in any case.

Carriers may embrace this to reduce their frame relay network costs. It is
unlikely to find

widespread deployment at all, although it may see limited use towards the
end of this year.

It should hold little attraction for enterprise companies- where is the
benefit of adding

another layer of complexity when they can engineer and migrate to an IP VPN
instead?


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 May I ask you what r u tryng to do?


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  Hi all,
 
  Anybody used Frame relay over IP without using MPLS or GRE Tunnel with
 Cisco
  routers?
 
  We are searching for a solution to deploy Frame relay over IP without
 using
  MPLS or GRE tunnel.
 
  Any help will be appreciated.
 
  Best regards,
 
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Frame Relay over IP [7:70927]

2003-06-19 Thread Cisco Breaker
Hi all,

Anybody used Frame relay over IP without using MPLS or GRE Tunnel with Cisco
routers?

We are searching for a solution to deploy Frame relay over IP without using
MPLS or GRE tunnel.

Any help will be appreciated.

Best regards,

Cisco Breaker




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Re: Frame Relay over IP [7:70927]

2003-06-19 Thread Pedro Cabarga
May I ask you what r u tryng to do?


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 Anybody used Frame relay over IP without using MPLS or GRE Tunnel with
Cisco
 routers?

 We are searching for a solution to deploy Frame relay over IP without
using
 MPLS or GRE tunnel.

 Any help will be appreciated.

 Best regards,

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Frame-relay on a coffee break... [7:66509]

2003-03-30 Thread Mike Martins
Would be nice to hear if anyone has encountered similars problem and has any
ideas how to get past some of the sometimes animal behaviour of frame-relay.

Setting up a frame-relay cloud; Router A needs to connect to Router B, DLCIs
are given. Disable inverse-arp and install frame-relay map statements and
vice versa. Router A tries to ping to Router B, nothing, dead. Had a quick
look at the DLCIÂ’s coming into the interface - sure enough, the DLCI number
is there, both sides see their respective DLCI‘s. So I enable inverse-arp
and take out the map statements. Ping Router B and yes it sees it, so the
link and cables are fine. Clear inarp cache and install map statements,
disable inarp. NothingÂ… Double check the frame switch, looks ok.
Disable inarp and reboot the Router. Install map statements, ping Router B,
nothing. Ping again, nothing, wait, nothing. Go have a cup of coffee, come
back 20 minutes later. Ping Router B, itÂ’ working.
So, now one hour wasted on one pvc... 
Is there something or some sequence that I missed here? I have done loads of
frame-relay labs and seldom have problems. But twice now frame-relay decides
it is on its own coffee break. For no apparent reason. I have also heard of
DLCIÂ’s leaking into other interfaces and neighbour statements disappearing.
I have also seen a similar situation where you write erase a stubborn router
and copy the same config back on and it works.
Any tips or forced workarounds? 



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RE: Frame-relay on a coffee break... [7:66509]

2003-03-30 Thread Juan Blanco
Yes, I have see this behavior many times and the key answer give it enough
time,
the problem is if you start making changes and still it does not works
because frame
needs time be on sync, normally what I do is configure it and keep making
other configurations
and them come back to it and the link is working...
Juan

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Would be nice to hear if anyone has encountered similars problem and has any
ideas how to get past some of the sometimes animal behaviour of frame-relay.

Setting up a frame-relay cloud; Router A needs to connect to Router B, DLCIs
are given. Disable inverse-arp and install frame-relay map statements and
vice versa. Router A tries to ping to Router B, nothing, dead. Had a quick
look at the DLCIs coming into the interface - sure enough, the DLCI number
is there, both sides see their respective DLCIs. So I enable inverse-arp
and take out the map statements. Ping Router B and yes it sees it, so the
link and cables are fine. Clear inarp cache and install map statements,
disable inarp. Nothing Double check the frame switch, looks ok.
Disable inarp and reboot the Router. Install map statements, ping Router B,
nothing. Ping again, nothing, wait, nothing. Go have a cup of coffee, come
back 20 minutes later. Ping Router B, it working.
So, now one hour wasted on one pvc...
Is there something or some sequence that I missed here? I have done loads of
frame-relay labs and seldom have problems. But twice now frame-relay decides
it is on its own coffee break. For no apparent reason. I have also heard of
DLCIs leaking into other interfaces and neighbour statements disappearing.
I have also seen a similar situation where you write erase a stubborn router
and copy the same config back on and it works.
Any tips or forced workarounds?




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frame relay vpn config [7:66357]

2003-03-27 Thread dayo olabisi
Hi Listers,

Router C has 2 sub-ifs: s0/0.1 has a PVC connected to
router A, and s0/0.2 has a PVC connected to router B.

I want to configure a shared-secret VPN/IPSEC tunnel
between C and A/B.

Ideas, sample configs or references would be
appreciated.

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Frame Relay [7:65658]

2003-03-22 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
Disregard previous.  After further review, I find the ping failed because I
typed in the wrong ip.




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Frame Relay [7:65658]

2003-03-18 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
Disregard previous.  After further review, I find the ping failed because I
typed in the wrong ip.




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Frame Relay question [7:65659]

2003-03-18 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
I am working with the test out simulator.  

LAX  11.0.0.2--frame cloudsfo 11.0.0.1

In the frame relay module there is an exercise to connect 2 routers through
a frame relay cloud.  Initially, the LAX router is using inverse arp to do
the mapping.  A show frame map yields 

Serial 1 (up): ip 11.0.0.1 dlci 100 (0x64,0x1849, dynamic,broadcast,,,status
defined,active
After turning off the frame-relay inverse-arp and clearing the cache, I
enter a static mapping

frame map ip 11.0.0.1 100
now the show frame map yields
Serial 1 (up): ip 11.0.0.1 dlci 100 (0x64,0x1849, static,CISCO, status
defined, active

With the dynamic mapping I can't ping the other routers interface
(11.0.0.1).  The static map successfully pings the other node.  

I understand how to set up it up.  What I don't understand is why the static
mapping works and the dynamic mapping doesn't.  Can someone please explain
this?  Thanks




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RE: Frame Relay Design/Bandwidth Question [7:65401]

2003-03-18 Thread Lo Ching
Thanks All information.

Can anyone recommend the CIR/EIR/Bc in this enviroment? (2 remote and 1 HQ).
I have subscribed the 3 circuit with 128k but I need to provide CIR/EIR/Bc
information further.

Thanks again

Lo Ching


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RE: Frame Relay question [7:65659]

2003-03-18 Thread g mh
can your message be detail moreDeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:



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RE: OSPF over frame relay quick reference document [7:65517]

2003-03-17 Thread Utz Ralph
nice layout


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OSPF over frame relay quick reference document [7:65517]

2003-03-15 Thread The Long and Winding Road
A byproduct of some recent study. Probably should be classed a work in
progress.

Hope it helps

http://www.chuckslongroad.info/OSPF_Frame_Reference.htm

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Re: Frame Relay Design/Bandwidth Question [7:65401]

2003-03-14 Thread Amar KHELIFI
hi ching,
first i must say, that an LL, is most cost effective when the locations ur
connecing are close in proxemity.
FR will cost you less if the location if far away.
for the location that has bursty traffic, you can either get a 0cir link,
which doe't cost alot, but the amount of traffic should be meassured before
of course, and the SLA from the provider should be checked.
finally you can always get an ISDN or simply an async connection configured
with DDR.
Regards, Amar.
Lo Ching  a icrit dans le message de news:
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 Dear All,

 At first, I have 2 locations so I choose leased line (128k) to connect
 together.
 Later on, there have another remote site and it need connect to main site
as
 well but the traffic from this new site is very bursty and not using so
 frequently.

 Can I use a small FR network with 2 remotes and 1 central site
 (hub-and-spoke design) to make the connection with CIR 128k at 3 points?

 TIA.

 Lo Ching




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frame relay and leased line [7:65397]

2003-03-14 Thread supernet
I was told that leased line price depends on distance but frame relay
doesn't. Is this true? Thanks. Yoshi




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Re: frame relay and leased line [7:65397]

2003-03-14 Thread Amar KHELIFI
hi,
an LL is most cost effective if the sites are close in proxemity.
for an FR, you will have to pay for instalation + local loop + CIR and i
also seen  providers that charge based on usage for FR.
contact ur provider to make sure about that...

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 I was told that leased line price depends on distance but frame relay
 doesn't. Is this true? Thanks. Yoshi




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Frame Relay Design/Bandwidth Question [7:65401]

2003-03-14 Thread Lo Ching
Dear All,

At first, I have 2 locations so I choose leased line (128k) to connect
together.
Later on, there have another remote site and it need connect to main site as
well but the traffic from this new site is very bursty and not using so
frequently.

Can I use a small FR network with 2 remotes and 1 central site
(hub-and-spoke design) to make the connection with CIR 128k at 3 points?

TIA.

Lo Ching 



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RE: Frame Relay Design/Bandwidth Question [7:65401]

2003-03-14 Thread Troy Leliard
FR relay is quiet effective, especially with hub and multi-spoke
deployemnts. One of the big advantages as well, reducing interface costs on
the Hub end, as you onely have one serial interface with multiple FR PVC's?

A further solution is to have a xDSL / Cable installation at the remote
sites, and then vpn them to the hub route, or even VPN mesh them to each
other and the HUB.  It really depends on what sort of traffic flows you are
expecting.

Say for exampled you had a remote office that browsed the web etc, but need
to connect back to the hub for internal services such as customer database /
internal collabrative servers etc, then havbing a local break out, with VPN
would be ok  This would also reduce the dependency of the spokes on the hub
for internet connectivity and would be able to run a degraded service should
the hub fail.

If all the spokes are doing si connecting back to the Hub, eg terminal
services (SNA, TN3270 etc)
 Dear All,
 
 At first, I have 2 locations so I choose leased line (128k) to
 connect together.
 Later on, there have another remote site and it need connect to
 main site as well but the traffic from this new site is very
 bursty and not using so frequently.
 
 Can I use a small FR network with 2 remotes and 1 central site
 (hub-and-spoke design) to make the connection with CIR 128k at
 3 points?
 
 TIA.
 
 Lo Ching 
 


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RE: frame relay and leased line [7:65397]

2003-03-14 Thread Troy Leliard
FR is usefull when youhave hub and spoke deployments.  By making use of
shared circuit your bandwidth costs are normally a lot less thatn Leased
lines.

Another solution would possibl the use of VPN.  WIth the price of broadband
coming down, you could probably have a broadband connection at the remote
site and then VPN back to the hub.  This would add the benefit that the
spoke would not be reliant on the hub for internet connectivity.

Also depends on what sort of data is going to flow beetween the two sites,
If you have high priority traffic, and your spokes dont require internet
connectivity or similar, then I would use FR.

supernet wrote:
 
 I was told that leased line price depends on distance but frame
 relay
 doesn't. Is this true? Thanks. Yoshi
 
 


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Re: frame relay and leased line [7:65397]

2003-03-14 Thread MADMAN
I can't speak for all carriers but we don't charge mileage for frame 
if it's intralata but there will be an extra charge even in intralata IF 
one side of the connection terminates within  the territory of an 
independant telephone company.  When interlata you will be charged 
mileage by the long distance carrier, we are working on 271 relief!!

   simple huh;)

   Dave

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 I was told that leased line price depends on distance but frame relay
 doesn't. Is this true? Thanks. Yoshi
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Re: frame relay and leased line [7:65397]

2003-03-14 Thread JSalminen
Our carrier for LL is ATT. Their pricing was intrastate and interstate.
Mileage wasn't considered.

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Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay connection
goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame relay?
Could they perhaps run ATM?

My CPE CODest. CPE
  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |





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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
yes there is an FRF8 and FRF5 standards that define that, as so:

frf8
   fr-CO-atm

frf5
fr---ATM cloud--fr



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 I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay
connection
 goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
 destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame
relay?
 Could they perhaps run ATM?

 My CPE CODest. CPE
   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
 




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RE: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
 I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
 relay connection
 goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
 does the
 destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
 frame relay?
 Could they perhaps run ATM?
 
 My CPE CODest. CPE
   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
 

Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a while

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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
the standards official names are actually FRF8 and FRF5.

Priscilla Oppenheimer  a icrit dans le message de
news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
  I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
  relay connection
  goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
  does the
  destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
  frame relay?
  Could they perhaps run ATM?
 
  My CPE CODest. CPE
|  Frame Relay|ATM  |
  

 Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
 It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
 interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while

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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread John Hutchison
Frame Relay connections CAN be fed into an ATM circuit at your provider's
end. The translation is done via the telco.




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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
indeed, much like what happens with frame relay into x25, which gets
encapsulated directely but in the case of FR and ATM there is some
mapping to be done, like the DE field mapped to the CLP, and translation
etc...;

John Hutchison  a icrit dans le message de news:
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 Frame Relay connections CAN be fed into an ATM circuit at your provider's
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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread MADMAN
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
relay connection
goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
does the
destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
frame relay?
Could they perhaps run ATM?

My CPE CODest. CPE
  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |

 
 
 Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
 It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
 interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while

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 www.troubleshootingnetworks.com
 www.priscilla.com

  Yes it is fairly common.  The magic is in the middle.  The configs of 
the frame CPE and the ATM CPE wuld be the same as if you had frame/ATM 
respectively on the other side.  The only caveat is you will most likely 
need to use IETF encapsulation on the frame since you will most likely 
not be terminating on a Cisco for the internetworking component.

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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Karen E Young
They could. In fact, its quite likely.

The link from your CPE goes into a port on one of their WAN switches. from
there it goes over a trunk utilizing either Fast Packet (FP) or ATM to
another WAN switch. There may be a number of WAN switches between your CPE
and the destination CPE. You can get more detail from the documentation on
Cisco's WAN switches.

Hope this helps,
Karen

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On 3/10/2003 at 5:23 PM DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:

I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay
connection
goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame
relay?
Could they perhaps run ATM?

My CPE CODest. CPE
  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |





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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
  I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
  relay connection
  goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
  does the
  destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
  frame relay?
  Could they perhaps run ATM?
 
  My CPE CODest. CPE
|  Frame Relay|ATM  |
  

 Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
 It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
 interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while


very common. particularly in hub and spoke situations, where the host site
needs to aggregate a lot of bandwidth from a lot of remotes.

way cool also is that if your telco supports it, you can do DSL to ATM also,
giving quite a bit of flexibility.

I have customers who are doing FRATM ( frame relay in the remote sites, and
ATM at the host ) and RLAN ( DSL at the remote sites and ATM at the host
site )

I don't have any customers shooting the works myself, but a couple of my
co-workers have done some pretty exciting designs mixing ATM, frame, and DSL
at remote sites and high cap ATM at the host. neet!



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Re: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

2003-03-03 Thread Larry Letterman
Figure 3: NM-4T, NM-4A/S, NM-8A/S, WIC-1T, WIC-1DSU-56K4



The NM-4T serial network module has four synchronous serial interfaces. The
network module supports a total full-duplex throughput of 8 megabits per
second (Mbps), which can be realized over one port (at 8 Mbps) or across all
four ports (at 2 Mbps on each port).

The NM-4T module in any network environment delivers very low price per port
and provides higher performance than comparable third-party solutions. For
instance, a small or medium-sized Internet service provider (ISP) with high
serial density requirements may find this solution very cost-effective per
subscriber.

LEDs-Network module status indicator, five Status LEDs for each serial port,
including data send/receive indication.

Network interfaces-Four serial interfaces.


Table 2  Cable Options2 for the 4T Network Module: Product Number  Cable Type
Cable Name  Length  Connector Type
  CAB-V35MT  V.35 DTE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Male

  CAB-V35FC  V.35 DCE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Female

  CAB-232MT  EIA/TIA -232 DTE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Male

  CAB-232FC  EIA/TIA -232 DCE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Female

  CAB-449MT  EIA/TIA -449 DTE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Male

  CAB-449FC  EIA/TIA -449 DCE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Female

  CAB-X21MT  X.21 DTE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Male

  CAB-X21FC  X.21 DCE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Female

  CAB-530MT  EIA/TIA-530 DTE
 T1/E1
 10 ft
 Male



Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


  - Original Message -
  From: hepppy
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  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:11 PM
  Subject: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]


  Hi all,

  Sorry for being Naive. I am interested in creating a lab with some 10 X
26xx
  routers. I need to create a frame realy switch. I am not sure what to use.
I
  have seen a Lab a couple of months back which had 8  DB60 serial cables
  connected to the 26xx router. Now I don;t have one of those with me, hence
  was
  searching on the net to purchase one. And I found a Description of 8 port
  Asynch/Synch and 2 port serial. The question is Is Asynch port the same as
  serial ports. Can I connect DB60 back to back cables to Asynch ports.

  Any other suggestions or help to make this Frame realy switch will be
  appreciated

  Thanks to all...

  regds
  hepppy

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Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

2003-03-02 Thread hepppy
Hi all,

Sorry for being Naive. I am interested in creating a lab with some 10 X 26xx
routers. I need to create a frame realy switch. I am not sure what to use. I
have seen a Lab a couple of months back which had 8  DB60 serial cables
connected to the 26xx router. Now I don;t have one of those with me, hence
was
searching on the net to purchase one. And I found a Description of 8 port
Asynch/Synch and 2 port serial. The question is Is Asynch port the same as
serial ports. Can I connect DB60 back to back cables to Asynch ports.

Any other suggestions or help to make this Frame realy switch will be
appreciated

Thanks to all...

regds
hepppy




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RE: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

2003-03-02 Thread Mark W. Odette II
If I recall correctly, Asynch ports run at 115Kbps line rate (referred
to as 'low-speed serial ports').

The idea behind using such a piece of hardware in the 2600/3600 routers
is to make that specific router the Terminal Server to console into
all the other routers.

You could also connect back-to-back asynchs, I suppose, but I've never
done it myself.



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

Hi all,

Sorry for being Naive. I am interested in creating a lab with some 10 X
26xx
routers. I need to create a frame realy switch. I am not sure what to
use. I
have seen a Lab a couple of months back which had 8  DB60 serial cables
connected to the 26xx router. Now I don;t have one of those with me,
hence
was
searching on the net to purchase one. And I found a Description of 8
port
Asynch/Synch and 2 port serial. The question is Is Asynch port the same
as
serial ports. Can I connect DB60 back to back cables to Asynch ports.

Any other suggestions or help to make this Frame realy switch will be
appreciated

Thanks to all...

regds
hepppy




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Re: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

2003-03-02 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Mark W. Odette II  wrote in message
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 If I recall correctly, Asynch ports run at 115Kbps line rate (referred
 to as 'low-speed serial ports').


can still use that setup as a frame switch. A certain rack rental place used
a router with a bunch of async ports - maybe a 2522? just be sure to use a
matching clock rate on the DCE side.




 The idea behind using such a piece of hardware in the 2600/3600 routers
 is to make that specific router the Terminal Server to console into
 all the other routers.

 You could also connect back-to-back asynchs, I suppose, but I've never
 done it myself.



 -Original Message-
 From: hepppy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Help making a frame relay switch [7:64224]

 Hi all,

 Sorry for being Naive. I am interested in creating a lab with some 10 X
 26xx
 routers. I need to create a frame realy switch. I am not sure what to
 use. I
 have seen a Lab a couple of months back which had 8  DB60 serial cables
 connected to the 26xx router. Now I don;t have one of those with me,
 hence
 was
 searching on the net to purchase one. And I found a Description of 8
 port
 Asynch/Synch and 2 port serial. The question is Is Asynch port the same
 as
 serial ports. Can I connect DB60 back to back cables to Asynch ports.

 Any other suggestions or help to make this Frame realy switch will be
 appreciated

 Thanks to all...

 regds
 hepppy




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RE: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-28 Thread Troy Leliard
HI Tigers,

First things, are the interfaces in a administratively shut or are the
down|down ?
If admin shut, then all you need to do is do a no shut under each of the
interfaces you want to enable.

If you do that and they are now down|down or where orginally down|down, you
are not even getting a signal from the FR switch.  Start with the basics and
debug your LMI and see if you are getting info back!

Cheers
Troy


tigers zheng wrote:
 
 Hi,everyone:
 I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it
 happened?
 the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
 r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621
 
 the configuration:
 r1:
 interface s0
 ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dte
 frame-relay interface-dlci 100
 !
 r3:
 interface s0/0
 ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dte
 frame-relay interface-dlci 101
 !
 r2:
 frame-relay switching
 int s0/0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 64000
 frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 !
 int s0/1
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 128000
 frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 !
 But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol
 is also down!
 I want to know what happen!
 Thanks very much! 


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some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread tigers zheng
I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it happened?
the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621

the configuration:
r1:
interface s0
ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 100
!
r3:
interface s0/0
ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 101
!
r2:
frame-relay switching
int s0/0
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 64000
frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
int s0/1
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 128000
frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol is also down!
I want to know what happen!
Thanks very much! 


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Re: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread The Long and Winding Road
the frame-relay intf-type command is used on a frame relay switch, as part
of the switch to switch config. it should not be used on a customer edge
device.

if you were to enter the frame-relay switching commands on R1 and R3, the
interfaces would come up and the routers would engage in frame-relay switch
signaling.

You probably want to remove the frame-relay intf-type commands from R1 and
R3, making them customer edge devices, at which point they will communicate
with R2


tigers zheng  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it happened?
 the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
 r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621

 the configuration:
 r1:
 interface s0
 ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dte
 frame-relay interface-dlci 100
 !
 r3:
 interface s0/0
 ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dte
 frame-relay interface-dlci 101
 !
 r2:
 frame-relay switching
 int s0/0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 64000
 frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 !
 int s0/1
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 128000
 frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 !
 But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol is also
down!
 I want to know what happen!
 Thanks very much!




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Re: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
 the frame-relay intf-type command is used on a frame relay
 switch, as part
 of the switch to switch config. it should not be used on a
 customer edge
 device.

He set R1 and R3 to intf-type dte. That should work, shouldn't it? I tried
it on my customer edge routers and it takes the command but doesn't put it
in the config since it's the default. They are connected with serial xo
cables to a router in the middle that has frame-relay switching and
intf-type dce configured.

In other words, the same config as this fellow's, although my routers don't
leave the default config line in.

I would say check the cables. Are you sure you really have the dte end at
the dte router and the dce end at the dce router for both cables?

On some routers show controler will tell you.

Priscilla


 
 if you were to enter the frame-relay switching commands on R1
 and R3, the
 interfaces would come up and the routers would engage in
 frame-relay switch
 signaling.
 
 You probably want to remove the frame-relay intf-type commands
 from R1 and
 R3, making them customer edge devices, at which point they will
 communicate
 with R2
 
 
 tigers zheng  wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it
 happened?
  the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
  r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621
 
  the configuration:
  r1:
  interface s0
  ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dte
  frame-relay interface-dlci 100
  !
  r3:
  interface s0/0
  ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dte
  frame-relay interface-dlci 101
  !
  r2:
  frame-relay switching
  int s0/0
  no ip address
  encapsulation frame-relay
  clockrate 64000
  frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dce
  !
  int s0/1
  no ip address
  encapsulation frame-relay
  clockrate 128000
  frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dce
  !
  But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol
 is also
 down!
  I want to know what happen!
  Thanks very much!
 
 




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RE: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread Daniel Cotts
DTE/DCE has meaning at Layer 2 Frame Relay where DCE refers to the Frame
Switch.
DTE/DCE also has meaning at Layer 1 where we determine which end provides
clocking to the line.
They are two seperate configuration points. At layer one the DCE end could
be the switch or the router. 
If you are using a back-to-back serial cable, issue a show controllers s 0
(or whatever your serial interface is named) (put a space between the word
serial and the number). The output should tell you whether you have the DCE
or DTE end of the cable. Configure a clock rate on the DCE end.  

 -Original Message-
 From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:56 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]
 
 
 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
  
  the frame-relay intf-type command is used on a frame relay
  switch, as part
  of the switch to switch config. it should not be used on a
  customer edge
  device.
 
 He set R1 and R3 to intf-type dte. That should work, 
 shouldn't it? I tried
 it on my customer edge routers and it takes the command but 
 doesn't put it
 in the config since it's the default. They are connected with 
 serial xo
 cables to a router in the middle that has frame-relay switching and
 intf-type dce configured.
 
 In other words, the same config as this fellow's, although my 
 routers don't
 leave the default config line in.
 
 I would say check the cables. Are you sure you really have 
 the dte end at
 the dte router and the dce end at the dce router for both cables?
 
 On some routers show controler will tell you.
 
 Priscilla
 
 
  
  if you were to enter the frame-relay switching commands on R1
  and R3, the
  interfaces would come up and the routers would engage in
  frame-relay switch
  signaling.
  
  You probably want to remove the frame-relay intf-type commands
  from R1 and
  R3, making them customer edge devices, at which point they will
  communicate
  with R2
  
  
  tigers zheng  wrote in message
  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it
  happened?
   the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
   r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621
  
   the configuration:
   r1:
   interface s0
   ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
   encapsulation frame-relay
   frame-relay lmi-type ansi
   frame-relay intf-type dte
   frame-relay interface-dlci 100
   !
   r3:
   interface s0/0
   ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
   encapsulation frame-relay
   frame-relay lmi-type ansi
   frame-relay intf-type dte
   frame-relay interface-dlci 101
   !
   r2:
   frame-relay switching
   int s0/0
   no ip address
   encapsulation frame-relay
   clockrate 64000
   frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
   frame-relay lmi-type ansi
   frame-relay intf-type dce
   !
   int s0/1
   no ip address
   encapsulation frame-relay
   clockrate 128000
   frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
   frame-relay lmi-type ansi
   frame-relay intf-type dce
   !
   But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol
  is also
  down!
   I want to know what happen!
   Thanks very much!




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Re: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread Larry Letterman
did you enter the no shut command ?

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


  - Original Message -
  From: tigers zheng
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:11 AM
  Subject: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]


  I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it happened?
  the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
  r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621

  the configuration:
  r1:
  interface s0
  ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dte
  frame-relay interface-dlci 100
  !
  r3:
  interface s0/0
  ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dte
  frame-relay interface-dlci 101
  !
  r2:
  frame-relay switching
  int s0/0
  no ip address
  encapsulation frame-relay
  clockrate 64000
  frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dce
  !
  int s0/1
  no ip address
  encapsulation frame-relay
  clockrate 128000
  frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  frame-relay intf-type dce
  !
  But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol is also down!
  I want to know what happen!
  Thanks very much!




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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-27 Thread Monu Sekhon
Hi Deepak
Let me tell u that ur interface might be adminstratively down when u cut
pasted the config, Just make it up and then cut paste :-) and I have now
came to conclusion after research work
as It takes some time to shut the interface and bring back up so times get
timed out in that case sometimes.
Just try shut and no shut see it takes some  time to make interface up.

similarly I had ppp connection so when i cut paste my config there then also
the interface does not negotiate ip address due to this reason only, as shut
and no shut takes time, sometimes commands timeout in that case.as shutting
till the interupt goes ,again the no shut interupt goes neither gets
succesfully completed, easily observed in console debug.

If Interface is already shut down and then u do then its fine no problems as
link is properly down already just giving the no shut interupt to IOS makes
it up.

Deepak N wrote:
 
 Hi Monu
 
 I tried the configuration given by you. But i didnt find any
 problem in bringing up the interface when i cut and paste the
 configuration.
 Here is the config when i cut n paste the config from a text
 file
 
 yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1
 yourname(config-if)#shut
 yourname(config-if)#encapsulation frame-relay
 yourname(config-if)#frame-relay lmi-type cisco
 yourname(config-if)#no shut
 yourname(config-if)#exit
 yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1.1 point-to-point
 yourname(config-subif)#no shutdown
 yourname(config-subif)#ip address 20.20.20.11 255.255.255.0
 yourname(config-subif)#frame-relay interface-dlci 108
 yourname(config-fr-dlci)#exit
 yourname(config-subif)#
 yourname(config-subif)#
 *Mar  1 00:48:19.271: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial1/1,
 changed state to up
 yourname(config-subif)#
 yourname(config-subif)#
 yourname(config-subif)#
 yourname(config-subif)#^Z
 yourname#
 yourname#
 *Mar  1 00:48:28.811: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console
 by console
 yourname#
 yourname#sh ip int brief
 *Mar  1 00:48:30.271: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on
 Interface Serial1/1,
  changed state to up
 Interface  IP-Address  OK? Method
 StatusProt
 ocol
 FastEthernet0/0172.20.110.8YES manual
 upup
 
 FastEthernet0/1unassigned  YES unset 
 updown
 
 ATM0/0 unassigned  YES unset 
 upup
 
 ATM0/1 unassigned  YES unset 
 upup
 
 Serial1/0  unassigned  YES unset 
 down  down
 
 Serial1/0.1unassigned  YES manual
 deleted   down
 
 Serial1/1  unassigned  YES unset 
 upup
 
 Serial1/1.120.20.20.11 YES manual
 upup
 
 Serial1/2  unassigned  YES unset 
 down  down
 
 FastEthernet1/0unassigned  YES unset 
 updown
 
 FastEthernet1/1unassigned  YES unset 
 updown
 
 yourname#
 
 Please let me know ur comments
 
 
 Regards
 Deepak
 
 
 Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
  
  There's obviously no good answer to why there are no problems
  bringing the link up/up when you type in the commands one by
  one but there are problems when you copy and paste them. Here
  are some suggestions, though:
  
  1) You work for Cisco. Report it as a bug.
  2) The copy and paste is corrupting a character, forgetting to
  do carriage return or something of that nature. Do all the
  commands end up the in the running config?
  3) There's some sort of timing issue.
  
  To fix the problem:
  
  Don't do copy and paste that fast. :-)
  
  Priscilla
  
  Monu Sekhon wrote:
   
   Hi Mark,
   Thanx for reply.but I mentioned that when we do shut  no
 shut
   again link comes up.no dlci, no lmi problem:
   I am testing in lab setup two rouetrs connnected to
  frame-relay
   cloud
   Please do help anybody in this regard, why the link doesnot
   come at one instant
   why it requiers again shut and no shut, when i copy paste
 the
   config and when i give command by command then without gving
   shut and noshut the link comes up.
   
   Mark W. Odette II wrote:

in show ip interface it shows as protocol down ,
 physical
link up.
sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are
 exchanged.

Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have
mismatched
encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing
   (wrong
Subnet
or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other
 end
   of
the FR
Network.

If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect
  between
that
Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.

If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your
 Frame
Relay
Switch configuration.

If this is a Production Setup, contact your

RE: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread Monu Sekhon
Hi ,
DTE end commands on the end routers r1 and r3 has no effect whhether u give
or not so not at all problem . yes they dont appear in running-config thats
true as by default is dte device(routers)
another thing as others suspect it could be wrong cable problem(probably DTE
and DCE end) . try running hdlc and check
Daniel Cotts wrote:
 
 DTE/DCE has meaning at Layer 2 Frame Relay where DCE refers to
 the Frame
 Switch.
 DTE/DCE also has meaning at Layer 1 where we determine which
 end provides
 clocking to the line.
 They are two seperate configuration points. At layer one the
 DCE end could
 be the switch or the router. 
 If you are using a back-to-back serial cable, issue a show
 controllers s 0
 (or whatever your serial interface is named) (put a space
 between the word
 serial and the number). The output should tell you whether you
 have the DCE
 or DTE end of the cable. Configure a clock rate on the DCE
 end.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:56 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: some question about frame-relay configuration!
 [7:63973]
  
  
  The Long and Winding Road wrote:
   
   the frame-relay intf-type command is used on a frame relay
   switch, as part
   of the switch to switch config. it should not be used on a
   customer edge
   device.
  
  He set R1 and R3 to intf-type dte. That should work, 
  shouldn't it? I tried
  it on my customer edge routers and it takes the command but 
  doesn't put it
  in the config since it's the default. They are connected with 
  serial xo
  cables to a router in the middle that has frame-relay
 switching and
  intf-type dce configured.
  
  In other words, the same config as this fellow's, although my 
  routers don't
  leave the default config line in.
  
  I would say check the cables. Are you sure you really have 
  the dte end at
  the dte router and the dce end at the dce router for both
 cables?
  
  On some routers show controler will tell you.
  
  Priscilla
  
  
   
   if you were to enter the frame-relay switching commands
 on R1
   and R3, the
   interfaces would come up and the routers would engage in
   frame-relay switch
   signaling.
   
   You probably want to remove the frame-relay intf-type
 commands
   from R1 and
   R3, making them customer edge devices, at which point they
 will
   communicate
   with R2
   
   
   tigers zheng  wrote in message
   news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it
   happened?
the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621
   
the configuration:
r1:
interface s0
ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 100
!
r3:
interface s0/0
ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 101
!
r2:
frame-relay switching
int s0/0
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 64000
frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
int s0/1
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 128000
frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line
 protocol
   is also
   down!
I want to know what happen!
Thanks very much!
 
 




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RE: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]

2003-02-27 Thread Mustafa Furat
I think its not about FR config but the physical layer.
You need to check the cables. You are not using any modems???
I hope this helps 


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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: some question about frame-relay configuration! [7:63973]


I have a question about frame-relay!Please tell me why it happened?
the topolofy :r1(s0)---(s0/0)r2(s0/1)---(s0/0)r3
r1:2511,r2:2620,r3:2621

the configuration:
r1:
interface s0
ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 100
!
r3:
interface s0/0
ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dte
frame-relay interface-dlci 101
!
r2:
frame-relay switching
int s0/0
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 64000
frame-relay route 100 interface s0/1 101
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
int s0/1
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay
clockrate 128000
frame-relay route 101 interface s0/0 100
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
frame-relay intf-type dce
!
But the serial of all of the router is shutdown,line protocol is also
down!
I want to know what happen!
Thanks very much!




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show frame-relay traffic [7:64046]

2003-02-27 Thread John Tafasi
I have noticed that the show frame-relay traffic on my routers does not show
that routers have sent and received inverse arp requests. Does  any body
know why is that?

Thanks
John Tafasi


r5#show frame-relay map
Serial0 (up): ip 10.10.10.2 dlci 501(0x1F5,0x7C50), dynamic,
  broadcast,, status defined, active
Serial0 (up): ip 10.10.10.4 dlci 504(0x1F8,0x7C80), dynamic,
  broadcast,, status defined, active


r5#show frame-relay traffic
Frame Relay statistics:
ARP requests sent 0, ARP replies sent 0
ARP request recvd 0, ARP replies recvd 0
r5#




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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-26 Thread Deepak N
Hi Monu

I tried the configuration given by you. But i didnt find any problem in
bringing up the interface when i cut and paste the configuration.
Here is the config when i cut n paste the config from a text file

yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1
yourname(config-if)#shut
yourname(config-if)#encapsulation frame-relay
yourname(config-if)#frame-relay lmi-type cisco
yourname(config-if)#no shut
yourname(config-if)#exit
yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1.1 point-to-point
yourname(config-subif)#no shutdown
yourname(config-subif)#ip address 20.20.20.11 255.255.255.0
yourname(config-subif)#frame-relay interface-dlci 108
yourname(config-fr-dlci)#exit
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
*Mar  1 00:48:19.271: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial1/1, changed state to
up
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#^Z
yourname#
yourname#
*Mar  1 00:48:28.811: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console
yourname#
yourname#sh ip int brief
*Mar  1 00:48:30.271: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
Serial1/1,
 changed state to up
Interface  IP-Address  OK? Method Status   
Prot
ocol
FastEthernet0/0172.20.110.8YES manual up   
up

FastEthernet0/1unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

ATM0/0 unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

ATM0/1 unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

Serial1/0  unassigned  YES unset  down 
down

Serial1/0.1unassigned  YES manual deleted  
down

Serial1/1  unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

Serial1/1.120.20.20.11 YES manual up   
up

Serial1/2  unassigned  YES unset  down 
down

FastEthernet1/0unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

FastEthernet1/1unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

yourname#

Please let me know ur comments


Regards
Deepak


Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 There's obviously no good answer to why there are no problems
 bringing the link up/up when you type in the commands one by
 one but there are problems when you copy and paste them. Here
 are some suggestions, though:
 
 1) You work for Cisco. Report it as a bug.
 2) The copy and paste is corrupting a character, forgetting to
 do carriage return or something of that nature. Do all the
 commands end up the in the running config?
 3) There's some sort of timing issue.
 
 To fix the problem:
 
 Don't do copy and paste that fast. :-)
 
 Priscilla
 
 Monu Sekhon wrote:
  
  Hi Mark,
  Thanx for reply.but I mentioned that when we do shut  no shut
  again link comes up.no dlci, no lmi problem:
  I am testing in lab setup two rouetrs connnected to
 frame-relay
  cloud
  Please do help anybody in this regard, why the link doesnot
  come at one instant
  why it requiers again shut and no shut, when i copy paste the
  config and when i give command by command then without gving
  shut and noshut the link comes up.
  
  Mark W. Odette II wrote:
   
   in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical
   link up.
   sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
   
   Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have
   mismatched
   encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing
  (wrong
   Subnet
   or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other end
  of
   the FR
   Network.
   
   If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect
 between
   that
   Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.
   
   If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your Frame
   Relay
   Switch configuration.
   
   If this is a Production Setup, contact your ISP and verify
  your
   Frame
   Relay configuration parameters. (LMI-Type, DLCI, etc.)
   
   
   On the No Shut command, I'd use it last on each interface
 you
   configure.
   
   -Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:40 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]
   
   Hi Larry/John,
   I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while
 writing
   here,
   Its still there and connection does not come out
   See I mentioned that while giving command by command
 manually
   connection
   comes out.
   It seems to me that while the interface is down during that
   frame-relay
   LMIs
   think that interface is down and make the link down.
   I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.
   
   again writing config:
   --
   interface Serial0 
   shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
   encapsulation frame-relay 
   frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
   no shut
   exit 
   interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point

ospf p2p network type vs frame relay inarp [7:63579]

2003-02-23 Thread Paul Dong So
Hi all,
I did some tests and found this problem.
Ra is the hub of fr connection, rc is the spoke

When only inarp used, all ospf network types passed the test except p2p
network type. No adjacency was able to be established. OSPF states kept
looping between init, exstart and exchange. Note, same configuration, only
ip ospf network statement was changed.

I could not find any document about ospf p2p type vs frame relay inarp.
Does anyone else come across the same problem in the lab?

Thanks

Paul




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Re: ospf p2p network type vs frame relay inarp [7:63579]

2003-02-23 Thread Jens Neelsen
Hi,

the reason is that the serial interface with encapsulation
frame-relay is a point-to-multipoint interface by default.
Inverse ARP allows multiple DLCIs.

If you want to use point-to-point links, you have to use a ptp
subinterface. But then you cannot use inverse arp (it only works
on the main interface). You have to specify the DLCI.

Example:
interface serial 0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
interface serial 0.1 point
 ip address xxx
 frame-relay interface-dlci xx
end

Jens

--- Paul Dong So  wrote:
 Hi all,
 I did some tests and found this problem.
 Ra is the hub of fr connection, rc is the spoke
 
 When only inarp used, all ospf network types passed the test
 except p2p
 network type. No adjacency was able to be established. OSPF
 states kept
 looping between init, exstart and exchange. Note, same
 configuration, only
 ip ospf network statement was changed.
 
 I could not find any document about ospf p2p type vs frame
 relay inarp.
 Does anyone else come across the same problem in the lab?
 
 Thanks
 
 Paul
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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-21 Thread Monu Sekhon
Hi Mark,
Thanx for reply.but I mentioned that when we do shut  no shut again link
comes up.no dlci, no lmi problem:
I am testing in lab setup two rouetrs connnected to frame-relay cloud
Please do help anybody in this regard, why the link doesnot come at one
instant
why it requiers again shut and no shut, when i copy paste the config and
when i give command by command then without gving shut and noshut the link
comes up.

Mark W. Odette II wrote:
 
 in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical
 link up.
 sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
 
 Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have
 mismatched
 encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing (wrong
 Subnet
 or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other end of
 the FR
 Network.
 
 If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect between
 that
 Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.
 
 If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your Frame
 Relay
 Switch configuration.
 
 If this is a Production Setup, contact your ISP and verify your
 Frame
 Relay configuration parameters. (LMI-Type, DLCI, etc.)
 
 
 On the No Shut command, I'd use it last on each interface you
 configure.
 
 -Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:40 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]
 
 Hi Larry/John,
 I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while writing
 here,
 Its still there and connection does not come out
 See I mentioned that while giving command by command manually
 connection
 comes out.
 It seems to me that while the interface is down during that
 frame-relay
 LMIs
 think that interface is down and make the link down.
 I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.
 
 again writing config:
 --
 interface Serial0 
 shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
 encapsulation frame-relay 
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
 no shut
 exit 
 interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point 
 no shutdown 
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 
 frame-relay interface-dlci 108 
 exit 
 
 
 and also John try these in your router but at one go the
 interface will
 not
 come up as far i know .I agree with ur confguration and mine is
 also
 correct
 .Its said by Prisicilla and others that shutting a interface
 is  good
 practise while  configuring encap types.This i read in one of
 the
 previous
 Posts.
 so can u all reply what is the problem here
 in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical link
 up.
 sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
 any help will be appreciated.
 
 
 -
 Larry Letterman wrote:
  
  enter the no shut command into your cut and paste script for
  the Int Ser0 and it will
  come up..all interfaces in a router are always defaulted to
  shutdown..In your case the
  Main interface needs to be no shut in order for the logical
  interface to work...
  
  --
  
  Larry Letterman
  Network Engineer
  Cisco Systems
  
  
  Monu Sekhon  wrote in message
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
   Hi All
   Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay
  
   My config
   --
   my initial config
   int serial 0
   (nothing confgured initially)
  
   Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up
  means Interface
   does not come up.
  
   interface Serial0
   shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
   encapsulation frame-relay
   frame-relay lmi-type cisco
   exit
   interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
   no shutdown
   ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
   frame-relay interface-dlci 108
   exit
  
   I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?
  
   if the above commands i execute one by one then the link
  comes up.
  
   Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or
  what when i give
   command single by single.
   I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows
  encap faiiled once
   only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay
  lmis has anything
   to do.
   I am very confused.
   Thanx in advance
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 




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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
There's obviously no good answer to why there are no problems bringing the
link up/up when you type in the commands one by one but there are problems
when you copy and paste them. Here are some suggestions, though:

1) You work for Cisco. Report it as a bug.
2) The copy and paste is corrupting a character, forgetting to do carriage
return or something of that nature. Do all the commands end up the in the
running config?
3) There's some sort of timing issue.

To fix the problem:

Don't do copy and paste that fast. :-)

Priscilla

Monu Sekhon wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 Thanx for reply.but I mentioned that when we do shut  no shut
 again link comes up.no dlci, no lmi problem:
 I am testing in lab setup two rouetrs connnected to frame-relay
 cloud
 Please do help anybody in this regard, why the link doesnot
 come at one instant
 why it requiers again shut and no shut, when i copy paste the
 config and when i give command by command then without gving
 shut and noshut the link comes up.
 
 Mark W. Odette II wrote:
  
  in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical
  link up.
  sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
  
  Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have
  mismatched
  encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing
 (wrong
  Subnet
  or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other end
 of
  the FR
  Network.
  
  If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect between
  that
  Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.
  
  If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your Frame
  Relay
  Switch configuration.
  
  If this is a Production Setup, contact your ISP and verify
 your
  Frame
  Relay configuration parameters. (LMI-Type, DLCI, etc.)
  
  
  On the No Shut command, I'd use it last on each interface you
  configure.
  
  -Mark
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:40 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]
  
  Hi Larry/John,
  I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while writing
  here,
  Its still there and connection does not come out
  See I mentioned that while giving command by command manually
  connection
  comes out.
  It seems to me that while the interface is down during that
  frame-relay
  LMIs
  think that interface is down and make the link down.
  I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.
  
  again writing config:
  --
  interface Serial0 
  shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
  encapsulation frame-relay 
  frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
  no shut
  exit 
  interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point 
  no shutdown 
  ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 
  frame-relay interface-dlci 108 
  exit 
  
  
  and also John try these in your router but at one go the
  interface will
  not
  come up as far i know .I agree with ur confguration and mine
 is
  also
  correct
  .Its said by Prisicilla and others that shutting a interface
  is  good
  practise while  configuring encap types.This i read in one of
  the
  previous
  Posts.
  so can u all reply what is the problem here
  in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical link
  up.
  sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
  any help will be appreciated.
  
  
  -
  Larry Letterman wrote:
   
   enter the no shut command into your cut and paste script for
   the Int Ser0 and it will
   come up..all interfaces in a router are always defaulted to
   shutdown..In your case the
   Main interface needs to be no shut in order for the logical
   interface to work...
   
   --
   
   Larry Letterman
   Network Engineer
   Cisco Systems
   
   
   Monu Sekhon  wrote in message
   news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All
Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay
   
My config
--
my initial config
int serial 0
(nothing confgured initially)
   
Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up
   means Interface
does not come up.
   
interface Serial0
shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type cisco
exit
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
no shutdown
ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
frame-relay interface-dlci 108
exit
   
I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?
   
if the above commands i execute one by one then the link
   comes up.
   
Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or
   what when i give
command single by single.
I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows
   encap faiiled once
only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay
   lmis has anything
to do.
I am very confused.
Thanx in advance
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
 
 




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Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-20 Thread Monu Sekhon
Hi All
Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay

My config 
--
my initial config
int serial 0
(nothing confgured initially)

Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up  means Interface
does not come up.

interface Serial0
shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
encapsulation frame-relay
frame-relay lmi-type cisco
exit
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
no shutdown  
ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
frame-relay interface-dlci 108 
exit

I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?

if the above commands i execute one by one then the link comes up.

Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or what when i give
command single by single.
I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows encap faiiled once
only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay lmis has anything
to do.
I am very confused.
Thanx in advance




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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-20 Thread John Brandis
I would check your settings such as the LMI type, Have you done any other
fault finding yet ? Such as sh frame relay pvc ?

Once you hit no shutdown, the interface becomes live in a way of speaking.
Here is an example of one of my configs.

interface Serial0/0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
!
interface Serial0/0.1AA point-to-point
 description Johns Config
 ip address x.x.x.x b.b.b.b
 no cdp enable
 frame-relay interface-dlci AA IETF

I have replaced some values here with letters for security

John


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Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-20 Thread Larry Letterman
enter the no shut command into your cut and paste script for
the Int Ser0 and it will
come up..all interfaces in a router are always defaulted to
shutdown..In your case the
Main interface needs to be no shut in order for the logical
interface to work...

--

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


Monu Sekhon  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Hi All
 Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay

 My config
 --
 my initial config
 int serial 0
 (nothing confgured initially)

 Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up
means Interface
 does not come up.

 interface Serial0
 shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco
 exit
 interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
 no shutdown
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
 frame-relay interface-dlci 108
 exit

 I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?

 if the above commands i execute one by one then the link
comes up.

 Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or
what when i give
 command single by single.
 I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows
encap faiiled once
 only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay
lmis has anything
 to do.
 I am very confused.
 Thanx in advance
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Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-20 Thread Monu Sekhon
Hi Larry/John,
I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while writing here,
Its still there and connection does not come out
See I mentioned that while giving command by command manually connection
comes out.
It seems to me that while the interface is down during that frame-relay LMIs
think that interface is down and make the link down.
I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.

again writing config:
--
interface Serial0 
shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
encapsulation frame-relay 
frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
no shut
exit 
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point 
no shutdown 
ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 
frame-relay interface-dlci 108 
exit 


and also John try these in your router but at one go the interface will not
come up as far i know .I agree with ur confguration and mine is also correct
.Its said by Prisicilla and others that shutting a interface is  good
practise while  configuring encap types.This i read in one of the previous
Posts.
so can u all reply what is the problem here
in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical link up.
sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
any help will be appreciated.


-
Larry Letterman wrote:
 
 enter the no shut command into your cut and paste script for
 the Int Ser0 and it will
 come up..all interfaces in a router are always defaulted to
 shutdown..In your case the
 Main interface needs to be no shut in order for the logical
 interface to work...
 
 --
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 
 Monu Sekhon  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Hi All
  Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay
 
  My config
  --
  my initial config
  int serial 0
  (nothing confgured initially)
 
  Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up
 means Interface
  does not come up.
 
  interface Serial0
  shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type cisco
  exit
  interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
  no shutdown
  ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
  frame-relay interface-dlci 108
  exit
 
  I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?
 
  if the above commands i execute one by one then the link
 comes up.
 
  Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or
 what when i give
  command single by single.
  I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows
 encap faiiled once
  only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay
 lmis has anything
  to do.
  I am very confused.
  Thanx in advance
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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-20 Thread Mark W. Odette II
in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical link up.
sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.

Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have mismatched
encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing (wrong Subnet
or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other end of the FR
Network.

If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect between that
Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.

If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your Frame Relay
Switch configuration.

If this is a Production Setup, contact your ISP and verify your Frame
Relay configuration parameters. (LMI-Type, DLCI, etc.)


On the No Shut command, I'd use it last on each interface you configure.

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

Hi Larry/John,
I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while writing here,
Its still there and connection does not come out
See I mentioned that while giving command by command manually connection
comes out.
It seems to me that while the interface is down during that frame-relay
LMIs
think that interface is down and make the link down.
I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.

again writing config:
--
interface Serial0 
shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
encapsulation frame-relay 
frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
no shut
exit 
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point 
no shutdown 
ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 
frame-relay interface-dlci 108 
exit 


and also John try these in your router but at one go the interface will
not
come up as far i know .I agree with ur confguration and mine is also
correct
.Its said by Prisicilla and others that shutting a interface is  good
practise while  configuring encap types.This i read in one of the
previous
Posts.
so can u all reply what is the problem here
in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical link up.
sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
any help will be appreciated.


-
Larry Letterman wrote:
 
 enter the no shut command into your cut and paste script for
 the Int Ser0 and it will
 come up..all interfaces in a router are always defaulted to
 shutdown..In your case the
 Main interface needs to be no shut in order for the logical
 interface to work...
 
 --
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 
 Monu Sekhon  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Hi All
  Hey I am facing a strange problem in frame-relay
 
  My config
  --
  my initial config
  int serial 0
  (nothing confgured initially)
 
  Then I cut paste this config and my link does not come up
 means Interface
  does not come up.
 
  interface Serial0
  shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go)
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay lmi-type cisco
  exit
  interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
  no shutdown
  ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
  frame-relay interface-dlci 108
  exit
 
  I have to do shut and no shut on main interface why ?
 
  if the above commands i execute one by one then the link
 comes up.
 
  Is it a differnece between pasting the config at one go or
 what when i give
  command single by single.
  I enable debugging for frame-relay packets and it shows
 encap faiiled once
  only  on the above sub interface.is anything frame-relay
 lmis has anything
  to do.
  I am very confused.
  Thanx in advance
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Frame relay in Lab [7:63248]

2003-02-18 Thread Kerry Ogedegbe [ MTN - Portharcourt ]
Hi,
  I want to set up frame relay in a lab, are there any emulation software to
mimic the frame relay cloud?
if not, what's the best was of doing this

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RE: Frame relay in Lab [7:63248]

2003-02-18 Thread Troy Leliard
Hi Kerry, 

The easiest way of doing this is just getting a cisco router with numerous
serial interfaces and configure it as a frame relay switch.  I uase a Cisco
4500 with 8 serial ports in my lab.

Cheers
Troy




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Re: Frame relay in Lab [7:63248]

2003-02-18 Thread Johnny Routin
The best way is to get a box with multiple serial interfaces such as a 2522
or 2523 and configure it as a frame switch. This seems to be the most common
way, anyway.

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 if not, what's the best was of doing this

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Re: frame relay lmi-n39x functions [7:63120]

2003-02-16 Thread Jens Neelsen
Hi,

the commands work different than you describe. The status
request ist sent every 10 sec (keepalive 10). Every 10 sec an
answer is received. By default every 6th status request is a
full status request. The answer then contains the DLCIs and the
status of each DLCI. 
The command lmi-n391dte 3 changes the full status request from
every 6th to every 3rd. 
The command lmi-n392dte 2 changes the number of status errors
from 3 to 2. This is only relevant when no status answers are
received.
Try the following link: 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_command_reference_chapter09186a00800ca7eb.html

Jens Neelsen

--- paul dong so  wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 while practicing frame-relay lmi-n39x commonds, i can not make
 the  commonds work as they are supposed to be.
 
 Scenario:
 
 frame-relay switch  RA
 
 on RA, use lmi autosense. basic FR function works fine,
 following config 
 is abstract only
 
 serial 0
   encapsulation frame-relay
   frame-relay interface-dlci 401
   ip address 150.50.24.2 255.255.255.0
   frame-relay lmi-n391dte 3
   frame-relay lmi-n392dte 2
   frame-relay lmi-n393dte 2
   keepalive 10
 
 If debu frame lmi is turned on, i would expect every 30
 seconds,
 3 status requests will be sent out serial0 as a result of
 frame-relay 
 lmi-n391dte 3 and lmi autosense. But i can only see one
 status 
 request is sent. Tried shut/no shut interface, etc to no vail.
 
 Any idea how these commands affect frame relay behaviors?
 
 Thanks
 
 Paul




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Re: frame relay lmi-n39x functions [7:63120]

2003-02-16 Thread paul dong so
Hi Jens,

Thanks for the information. What confused me is this url:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/wan_c/wcdfrely.htm#46235

It states The only visible indication to the user that LMI autosense is 
underway is when debug frame lmi is turned on. Every N391 interval, the 
user will now see three rapid status enquiries coming out of the serial 
interface. One in ANSI, one in ITU and one in cisco LMI-type. 

It behaves differently from what i saw. when interface just becomes 
up/up, three status requests are sent, but after that, only one status 
request is sent, which doesn't match what is described above.

Regards,

Paul

Jens Neelsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 the commands work different than you describe. The status
 request ist sent every 10 sec (keepalive 10). Every 10 sec an
 answer is received. By default every 6th status request is a
 full status request. The answer then contains the DLCIs and the
 status of each DLCI. 
 The command lmi-n391dte 3 changes the full status request from
 every 6th to every 3rd. 
 The command lmi-n392dte 2 changes the number of status errors
 from 3 to 2. This is only relevant when no status answers are
 received.
 Try the following link: 
 

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_command_reference_chapter09186a00800ca7eb.html
 
 Jens Neelsen
 
 --- paul dong so  wrote:
 
Hi all,

while practicing frame-relay lmi-n39x commonds, i can not make
the  commonds work as they are supposed to be.

Scenario:

frame-relay switch  RA

on RA, use lmi autosense. basic FR function works fine,
following config 
is abstract only

serial 0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay interface-dlci 401
  ip address 150.50.24.2 255.255.255.0
  frame-relay lmi-n391dte 3
  frame-relay lmi-n392dte 2
  frame-relay lmi-n393dte 2
  keepalive 10

If debu frame lmi is turned on, i would expect every 30
seconds,
3 status requests will be sent out serial0 as a result of
frame-relay 
lmi-n391dte 3 and lmi autosense. But i can only see one
status 
request is sent. Tried shut/no shut interface, etc to no vail.

Any idea how these commands affect frame relay behaviors?

Thanks

Paul




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frame relay lmi-n39x functions [7:63120]

2003-02-15 Thread paul dong so
Hi all,

while practicing frame-relay lmi-n39x commonds, i can not make the 
commonds work as they are supposed to be.

Scenario:

frame-relay switch  RA

on RA, use lmi autosense. basic FR function works fine, following config 
is abstract only

serial 0
  encapsulation frame-relay
  frame-relay interface-dlci 401
  ip address 150.50.24.2 255.255.255.0
  frame-relay lmi-n391dte 3
  frame-relay lmi-n392dte 2
  frame-relay lmi-n393dte 2
  keepalive 10

If debu frame lmi is turned on, i would expect every 30 seconds,
3 status requests will be sent out serial0 as a result of frame-relay 
lmi-n391dte 3 and lmi autosense. But i can only see one status 
request is sent. Tried shut/no shut interface, etc to no vail.

Any idea how these commands affect frame relay behaviors?

Thanks

Paul




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RE: URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]

2003-02-10 Thread timothy thielen
When studying for the CCIE with friends, we decided that if you forget the
broadcast keyword, the terrorists win.

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URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]

2003-02-06 Thread Dain Deutschman
Hello,

I have a Frame circuit to my service provider who provides internet access
to us. The PVC is active...I'm able to ping the remote peer...however, no
other access to anywhere...further more...the encapsulation is failing on
debug outputshere is the output...

sh frame pvc

PVC Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE)

  Active Inactive  Deleted   Static
  Local  1000
  Switched   0000
  Unused 0000

DLCI = 114, DLCI USAGE = LOCAL, PVC STATUS = ACTIVE, INTERFACE = Serial0

  input pkts 4100  output pkts 15   in bytes 288952
  out bytes 1560   dropped pkts 0   in FECN pkts 0
  in BECN pkts 0   out FECN pkts 0  out BECN pkts 0
  in DE pkts 0 out DE pkts 0
  out bcast pkts 0 out bcast bytes 0
  5 minute input rate 3000 bits/sec, 6 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  pvc create time 01:28:58, last time pvc status changed 00:03:08

sh frame map

Serial0 (up): ip x.x.x.x dlci 114(0x72,0x1C20), static,
  IETF, BW = 256000, status defined, active

deb ip packet

01:40:33: IP: s=x.x.x.x (Serial0), d=y.y.y.y (Serial0), len 84, rcvd
3
01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x (Serial0), len 84, sending

01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x(Serial0), len 84, encapsu
lation failed

Basic Encap Settings

encapsulation frame-relay ietf

frame-relay map ip z.z.z.z 114 ietf

frame-relay lmi-type ansi

Thia is very urgent...any help as to what might be happening would be
greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!

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CCNP, CSS-1, CCNA, MCP, CNA
Data Communications Manager
New Star Sales and Service, Inc.
800.261.0475
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Re: URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]

2003-02-06 Thread Pedro A. do Valle
Dain,

another day I had the same problem... In my case I was using a static route
like this:

ip route x.x.x.x mask serial0/1

when I changed to

ip route x.x.x.x mask y.y.y.y

 I got to solve the problem... You can try...

Pedro A. do Valle
Manaus - AM - Brazil
55 92 614 3105


- Original Message -
From: Dain Deutschman 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]


 Hello,

 I have a Frame circuit to my service provider who provides internet access
 to us. The PVC is active...I'm able to ping the remote peer...however, no
 other access to anywhere...further more...the encapsulation is failing on
 debug outputshere is the output...

 sh frame pvc

 PVC Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE)

   Active Inactive  Deleted   Static
   Local  1000
   Switched   0000
   Unused 0000

 DLCI = 114, DLCI USAGE = LOCAL, PVC STATUS = ACTIVE, INTERFACE = Serial0

   input pkts 4100  output pkts 15   in bytes 288952
   out bytes 1560   dropped pkts 0   in FECN pkts 0
   in BECN pkts 0   out FECN pkts 0  out BECN pkts 0
   in DE pkts 0 out DE pkts 0
   out bcast pkts 0 out bcast bytes 0
   5 minute input rate 3000 bits/sec, 6 packets/sec
   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
   pvc create time 01:28:58, last time pvc status changed 00:03:08

 sh frame map

 Serial0 (up): ip x.x.x.x dlci 114(0x72,0x1C20), static,
   IETF, BW = 256000, status defined, active

 deb ip packet

 01:40:33: IP: s=x.x.x.x (Serial0), d=y.y.y.y (Serial0), len 84, rcvd
 3
 01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x (Serial0), len 84, sending

 01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x(Serial0), len 84, encapsu
 lation failed

 Basic Encap Settings

 encapsulation frame-relay ietf

 frame-relay map ip z.z.z.z 114 ietf

 frame-relay lmi-type ansi

 Thia is very urgent...any help as to what might be happening would be
 greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!

 --
 Dain Deutschman
 CCNP, CSS-1, CCNA, MCP, CNA
 Data Communications Manager
 New Star Sales and Service, Inc.
 800.261.0475
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RE: URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]

2003-02-06 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Dain Deutschman wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I have a Frame circuit to my service provider who provides
 internet access
 to us. The PVC is active...I'm able to ping the remote
 peer...however, no
 other access to anywhere...

How is the router supposed to learn about anywhere else? Are you running a
routing protcol? Do you have static routes? What does show ip route display?

If you're using a routing protocol that depends on broadcasts, don't forget
to add the broadcast keyword to your map statement.

Priscilla

 further more...the encapsulation is
 failing on
 debug outputshere is the output...
 
 sh frame pvc
 
 PVC Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE)
 
   Active Inactive  Deleted   Static
   Local  1000
   Switched   0000
   Unused 0000
 
 DLCI = 114, DLCI USAGE = LOCAL, PVC STATUS = ACTIVE, INTERFACE
 = Serial0
 
   input pkts 4100  output pkts 15   in bytes
 288952
   out bytes 1560   dropped pkts 0   in FECN
 pkts 0
   in BECN pkts 0   out FECN pkts 0  out BECN
 pkts 0
   in DE pkts 0 out DE pkts 0
   out bcast pkts 0 out bcast bytes 0
   5 minute input rate 3000 bits/sec, 6 packets/sec
   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
   pvc create time 01:28:58, last time pvc status changed
 00:03:08
 
 sh frame map
 
 Serial0 (up): ip x.x.x.x dlci 114(0x72,0x1C20), static,
   IETF, BW = 256000, status defined, active
 
 deb ip packet
 
 01:40:33: IP: s=x.x.x.x (Serial0), d=y.y.y.y (Serial0), len 84,
 rcvd
 3
 01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x (Serial0), len 84,
 sending
 
 01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x(Serial0), len 84,
 encapsu
 lation failed
 
 Basic Encap Settings
 
 encapsulation frame-relay ietf
 
 frame-relay map ip z.z.z.z 114 ietf
 
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 
 Thia is very urgent...any help as to what might be happening
 would be
 greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!
 
 --
 Dain Deutschman
 CCNP, CSS-1, CCNA, MCP, CNA
 Data Communications Manager
 New Star Sales and Service, Inc.
 800.261.0475
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 




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RE: URGENT Frame Relay Encapsulation Failing [7:62614]

2003-02-06 Thread Simmi Singh
Hi ,
I think the problem with routing issue as metioned by priscilla also and
others.
Either there is no route entry here i mean no static route to remote network
if u are
using static routing.
and if dynamic u need to enter brodacst key word.

and do check ur route -table

like example in route table entry should be like this

routing table:

destination newtowork  metric (static or dynamic)

This next hop address is mapped to your dlci and it should be otherwise 
Encapsulation failed error always comes in multipoint interface confguration.

as when u are sending packet to remote network at layer 3 the the next hop 
address is looked first  to reach remote network and then at layer 2 after
seeing
the frame-relay mapping the frame-relay packet is addressed with the dlci
number

Same error will also come when u remove your mapping and then check by 
pinging remote peer.

Hope this clears
if not then write in detail
Regards,


Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 Dain Deutschman wrote:
  
  Hello,
  
  I have a Frame circuit to my service provider who provides
  internet access
  to us. The PVC is active...I'm able to ping the remote
  peer...however, no
  other access to anywhere...
 
 How is the router supposed to learn about anywhere else? Are
 you running a routing protcol? Do you have static routes? What
 does show ip route display?
 
 If you're using a routing protocol that depends on broadcasts,
 don't forget to add the broadcast keyword to your map statement.
 
 Priscilla
 
  further more...the encapsulation is
  failing on
  debug outputshere is the output...
  
  sh frame pvc
  
  PVC Statistics for interface Serial0 (Frame Relay DTE)
  
Active Inactive  Deleted   Static
Local  1000
Switched   0000
Unused 0000
  
  DLCI = 114, DLCI USAGE = LOCAL, PVC STATUS = ACTIVE, INTERFACE
  = Serial0
  
input pkts 4100  output pkts 15   in bytes
  288952
out bytes 1560   dropped pkts 0   in FECN
  pkts 0
in BECN pkts 0   out FECN pkts 0  out BECN
  pkts 0
in DE pkts 0 out DE pkts 0
out bcast pkts 0 out bcast bytes 0
5 minute input rate 3000 bits/sec, 6 packets/sec
5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
pvc create time 01:28:58, last time pvc status changed
  00:03:08
  
  sh frame map
  
  Serial0 (up): ip x.x.x.x dlci 114(0x72,0x1C20), static,
IETF, BW = 256000, status defined, active
  
  deb ip packet
  
  01:40:33: IP: s=x.x.x.x (Serial0), d=y.y.y.y (Serial0), len
 84,
  rcvd
  3
  01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x (Serial0), len 84,
  sending
  
  01:40:33: IP: s=y.y.y.y (local), d=x.x.x.x(Serial0), len 84,
  encapsu
  lation failed
  
  Basic Encap Settings
  
  encapsulation frame-relay ietf
  
  frame-relay map ip z.z.z.z 114 ietf
  
  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
  
  Thia is very urgent...any help as to what might be happening
  would be
  greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!
  
  --
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  CCNP, CSS-1, CCNA, MCP, CNA
  Data Communications Manager
  New Star Sales and Service, Inc.
  800.261.0475
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
 
 




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frame-relay theoretical topic / question [7:62517]

2003-02-05 Thread Stull, Cory
3 locations.   Milwaukee,  Madison, Greenbay. Milwaukee and Madison both
have a 128k port 64k CIR. Greenbay has full T1 with 64k CIR.
 
From Milwaukee why is Greenbay's ping response times almost 3 times faster
than Madisons?   Wouldn't Milwaukee being the bottle neck of 128k port rate
make both ping response times closer to the same?   Or is this like the
highway theory of Greenbay has a Full T1 most of the way so you can go
faster on that portion of the drive therefore the ping response times are
much faster??
 
Thanks for any input.
 
 
 
 
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