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If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle
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Michelle, I'm so glad you mentioned this. My Phelix has the same problem with pulling his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be involved in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis. I'm going to go see the compounding pharmacist here. elizabeth On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle
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*Does the Benadryl have to be compounded? What is the dosage... do you know? We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The dose my doctor recommended for an extremely upset cat was 1/2 of a 25mg pill...that might be too much for one with OCD though. It really calmed Celena down though..she was insane at the time over an outside cat she saw through the window...attacking everyone in sight on the inside. I plan to talk to my vet about it next week. On 12/30/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Does the Benadryl have to be compounded? What is the dosage... do you know? We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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No, you can give benadryl in it's pill form, get the tablets, not the caplets, and break one in half, that is a safe cat dose! 1/2 of a 25MG tablet, or 12.5MG is the usual cat dose. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila
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Children's benadryl is so diluted you have to give such a large amount to a cat it's not practical. I think it's like a whole teaspoon or more to equal a 12.5MG dose. The adult pills are much easier, they are already small, and once you cut them in half, they are VERY easy to get into a cat (you can even usually hide it in some wet food). They only last for about 6 hours though, so it's more than once a day. I think my vet had me giving them 2x a day, but it never really cured my cat, who has allergies, and not a psychological condition. Mythic actually ITCHES, he isn't just a hair puller (which is generally a psychological problem, not a physical one). I would think Valium would be a better drug for psychological hair pulling, but of course that's a prescription and probably not cheap. Valium dosages for cats are usually 2.5MG to 5MG, I believe. I used to give Mythic a WHOLE Benadryl tablet on my vet's advice occasionally, but I don't recommend it without veterinary recommendation, as I think you would need to do a blood panel first (my cat is strong and in good health). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila
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i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't be pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and for the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out as an actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's worked on many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't work On 12/31/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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oops--that's .25/mg twice a day, per my vet On 12/31/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't be pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and for the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out as an actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's worked on many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't work On 12/31/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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.25MG? Are you sure about that MC? That isn't enough to do anything, I don't think. The standard does is 12.5MG. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
OT - Help, aggressive cat
Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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There are others here who probably have much more useful info for you, but from hanging out on the feral_cats list, sounds to me like you may have to treat her exactly like a feral -- cage and (re)socialize. It can be done, just a case of baby steps, going slow, winning trust, patience patience patience. Bless you for taking her in. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I will try, but she's not in the floor. She's in the sink, and ferociously defending her new territory. I had to brush my teeth at the bathroom sink:) On 12/29/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I use Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy with the ferals I have worked with. They work wonders on distraught cats of any kind. Spray the room she is in with the Feliway and maybe some concentrated catnip and put RR in her water (you may want to take some too). Remember the cat is very confused and frightened. She has been removed from her person and placed in a strange home with strange cats and... She may not act like this when she realizes she is safe. Also let the cat see you when you put out food. Try not to free feed her. She needs to associate you with food and with treats. This will work out. You just have to be extremely patient. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I definitely recommend the feliway, rescue remedy and giving her a place to hide where she will feel safe. I've had some success in the past giving a very agressive cat 1/2 of a 25mg benedryl...my vet at the time told me to do that. Wasn't easy getting it down her but it did a lot to calm her down. elizabeth On 12/29/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM *Subject:* OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I haven't had any experience with an aggressive cat but I think it is so wonderful that you took her. Maybe her aggression is from being scared and in a new place. Poor baby. I am sure she is probably scared when she has been taken to the vet so maybe that is why their paperwork says she is aggressive. I know my Tabby Cat and Nicholas are so sweet at home but at the vet's office they turn into these cats I have never seen before. Especially Tabby Cat the vet has will bite on her chart. She doesn't show that behavior at home. I hope things get better for you and the new kitty. Cindy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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In the area of eye contact, I learned this on feral_cats: the slow blink. Like narrowed eyes, this is a sign of friendship if you can do it with some subtlety. Blink very slowly, make very brief eye contact, blink again and this time look slightly away from her, blink again and make brief eye contact. For some reason the averted gaze part connects with a lot of cats. Oh, and another thing is to make sure the food comes and goes with you. Don't leave it even if she doesn't eat while you're there. You=food, and food=good, so therefore, eventually, you=good. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I wouldn't take it too personally. She probably knew the friend already, where you are a total stranger. Up til now, her entire life experience with strangers has likely been limited to vets and vet techs, none of which do anything even remotely nice to her (in her opinion). She probably knows she has been replaced by this man as well, and is going through at least a little self-doubt as to her self-worth. It's hard to be considered trash and not be at least a little hurt and defensive about it. Give her time and patience, and realize that if you continually show her love, she may eventually begin to show it back to you. Phaewryn Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
An old story to many on the list but one that may help: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt knew me most of her life. She had decided to live with my parents after a few months of living feral. Unfortunately I was the one who took her to the vet's, cut her nails etc. But she knew me and liked me sort of part of the time. My father died and, until then, he was her favorite person. It was just Kitty and Mom for a number of years. Then Mom decided she could not take care of Kitty and sent her to me to live the rest of her life. Kitty was ballistic. Her job was taking care of Mom and she was moved to a city from the country, to a house that was considerably different in terms of neighbors, heating, air conditioning, street noises ...you name it, it was different. Including a working person as opposed to a person who stayed home with her all the time. Talk about major trauma. I spent 3 months sleeping on the floor near the couch she hid under. Gradually she came out and finally slept with me on the floor. Life did get a lot better. This was a perfectly tame, wonderful little calico cat who was moved to someone she knew and who had access to an animal communicator. Caroline has been thrown out of a home and given to someone who is a total unknown with unknown everything that goes with it. If you have access to an animal communicator, you might ask her to reassure Caroline. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar. I'd give her some time to herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty canned food after that. I've had the NICEST cats start out quite aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff being packed up, etc. When I got C.J., he was really scarey. But he turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie. Have had others do that too. I'd say - it's not time to worry yet. Gloria On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Well quite by accident I did fall into a way to help socialize my Romeo-he knew me from my feeding him in a small colony but was NOT happy at being brought in. Because I had to separate him initially from my brood, I set him up in my bedroom. There's an outer door to the bedroom and the bath inside my bedroom area also has its own door. Initially, I put him in the bathroom but I worried that his howling would disturb my neighbors (I live in apt). So out of necessity, I got a big dog kennel (wire one) from a friend an set him up on top of some boxes in my bedroom-This way, I wouldn't ever tower over him and he could see everything at eye level. I put his litter box and food dishes in there as well as a towel so that he'd be comfortable. Then I covered all but one side with a sheet. The kennel had a 'shelf' in it so that at least when I went in to clean the box, he could jump up on the shelf. He'd sort of retreat to the box when I would change his food water. Well, my computer is in my bedroom and I soon realized that as I sat there working, he'd be peeking out at me. If I looked at him, he sort of ran and hid. So whenever I was going to stay in the room, I'd make sure he was able to see me at all times. When I wasn't in, I left one side of the sheet open. Anyway, as the days went on, he sort of got used to seeing me, got used to the radio, the TV, the vacumn cleaner, etc-all those strange inside noises. He was safe inside his kennel so he'd just watch. After about a week, I opened his kennel door and realized that when I wasn't around, he'd sort of peek around so I started putting his food dishes at the bottom of the boxes he'd jump out to eat and then quickly jump back up to get in his box. Then after another week, I put his litter box in the bathroom and switched him to a much smaller kennel where he could sleep but without his food or litter. Getting him in there was a trick-had to put the door of the big kennel against the door of the small kennel and sort of slide him in there! Once I got him in the little kennel, I showed him where the litter box was by bringing the kennel in the bathroom. Then I brought him back on top of the boxes in the bedroom. He'd wait til I was out of the room or until he thought I was asleep then sneak around the corner into the box. We went that way for about 2 weeks. He got braver and braver even with me in the room but would always jump back up to his kennel if he got scared. Then about a month after I brought him in, I was sitting at my computer and saw that he had jumped on my bed and was making himself comfortable. Of course, the minute I leaned over the monitor to look, he hopped back into his kennel but I knew it was all going to be fine-he had found the creature comforts of inside living! I left the kennel up for another couple of weeks but by then my other cats were visiting and I got rid of it when I realized they were spending more time in it than he was! Soo, I think that by accident I sort of did 'immersion' socialization. He could see everything-hear everything-and still be safe. Once he realized nothing terrible was going to happen and that beds are really pretty neat, he was fine. He's turned into the biggest mush in the world. He'll let me do anything to him but pick him up-ane we're working on that! Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:14 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
OT: Rescue help need in Los Gatos, California
I'm cross-posting this: Dear Best Friends Members, For years, the Magills have lived close to a park in Los Gatos that was a convenient dumping ground for unwanted cats.For years, Doug Magill and his wife have helped the cats abandoned near their home by providing them with medical care, food, shelter and love. But now the Magills are the ones who need help. As the couple has grown older, it has become harder for them to care for the 42 felines who live inside their home or outside on their property. Recently, someone called San Jose Animal Control to complain. The officer who came out to visit the Magills could see that they were trying their best with the cats, who appeared to be healthy and friendly. He didn't want to confiscate the cats and take them to the shelter, so he agreed to work with the Magills as long as they continued trying to find other homes for the cats. The Magills have managed to find homes for a few of the cats on their own, but they both have health problems that make it difficult to spend much time posting flyers or attending adoption events. You can help them by spreading the word about these cats, many of whom are Siamese mixes. Please forward this email to anyone you know who might be able to assist the Magills in finding homes for their rescued cats. If you need more information or would like to adopt a cat yourself, please contact Doug Magill directly: 408-356-1602 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my Tigger Tales site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia
Is she FeLV positive? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, I just got back from ultrasound appointment for my ayumi her left side of top wall is very enlarged and she has non regenerative anemia does heart problem cause anemia? Also her BP is very low even with epogen (about 55) she does not have FIP or cancer or any parasite what could it be? Her PCV is 18 now and scheduling for transfusion in two weeks if epogen does not work for her any insight is appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia
Hi, I just got back from ultrasound appointment for my ayumi - her left side of top wall is very enlarged -and she has non regenerative anemia - does heart problem cause anemia? Also her BP is very low even with epogen (about 55) - she does not have FIP or cancer - or any parasite - what could it be? Her PCV is 18 now and scheduling for transfusion in two weeks if epogen does not work for her - any insight is appreciated.
Re: need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia
My first guess is FELV. I assume she's been tested, right? How about retested if she was previously negative? Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
RE: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
I am saying prayers for him! Poor baby :(
Gina
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Yeah.. I will try that a few days ago, he almost flipped and fell
from a litter box my poor baby I just dont know what to do,, he is on
clavomox and is not getting any better and dont know if its because it is
just going to take that long to heal or he actually does not have any
infections if the drug damaged his tissues in his year.. the vet wants me to
give him predisolone and am nervous about that, too as he has a bit of URIs now
and dont want to compromise his immune system either..
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Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Yes, I think so. It could be that he has had to go for a while, and just
couldn't make it to the box on his own, so he was holding it, and when you
begin to feed him what goes in must come out, and he HAS to go. Try placing
him in the box before each feeding. You may be able to train him to go with a
command, like dogs do. Try telling him go potty. You can stimulate him with a
warm wet washcloth on his privates while saying go potty, in time, he may
associate the command with the deed.
Phaewryn
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Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
Was Hami's litter mate necropsied?? The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
yes, she was necropised From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:37:49 -0800 Was Hami's litter mate necropsied?? The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com _ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601tcode=wlmtagline
Help! Questions about anemia
I have a 3-4 month old kitten named Stamp. I noticed his tongue was pale even though he was running around like crazy, so I took him to the vet to have a PCV. It was 23. They said he was anemic and put him on Doxy, Prednisilone, and interferon. 2 weeks later his PCV was 26. I have never had an FeLV cat's PCV increase The vet said the Prednisilone can help maintain their Red blood cells. A friend of mine just had her 3 month old kitten test a slight positive for FeLV on both an in house Elisa and an Elisa they sent out (I thought the only one they sent out was an IFA, but she confirmed that was not what he had and the vet refuses to do an IFA at this point - huh?) She also refuses to put him on Interferon because she said it will stunt his growth - I've never heard that. I would think It would help boost his immune system if he is trying to fight it off. Anyway. Her kitten tested at a 30 on his PCV and the vet said a 24-30 was normal for a kitten; that a kitten's normal PCV is different than an adults. I've never heard this. All my FeLV cats in the past died from anemia. The normal for my adults has been 37-42. They all died at PCVs of 7-10 This is what the vet said about Stamp's full bloodworkup that was sent out: CBC shows anemia Not regenerating well White blood cell count low Stay on Doxycycline, Prednisolone and iron supplement and Innurferon Recheck in two weeks or sooner if not doing well. Has anyone had an FeLV kitten that has had a PCV and know what the vet said was normal. All mine were adults when they got sick. Stamp goes to a new vet Friday to be rechecked(Shelter is swithching vets). We'll see if there is a totally different opinion this time. I just don't know what to think right now. Beth Stamp - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Help! Questions about anemia
Dear little Stamp, (What a great name for a post office refugee). I'm so pleased to hear his PCV is rising. It sounds like your vet was throwing the kitchen sink at your little tyke. In my opinion, just what they should do under the circumstances. I don't know if I would have gone with the Pred so quickly, (since it tends to diminish immune response), but the Doxy makes sense since the anemia could be undetected Hemobart. Prayers that the new vet is on top of their game and is able to keep Stamp healthy and you satisfied with his approach to treatment. I would suggest to your friend that she seek another opinion about her kitten's care. I can understand why the vet thinks that an IFA might be premature, but to refuse? I've never heard anything about Interferon stunting growth, but felv will stunt it in a far more dangerous way even if there is some validity to that. I've also never heard that a kitten's PCV is different than an adult's. There's just too much head scratching associated with her vet's comments for me to feel comfortable. Nina Gussies mom wrote: I have a 3-4 month old kitten named Stamp. I noticed his tongue was pale even though he was running around like crazy, so I took him to the vet to have a PCV. It was 23. They said he was anemic and put him on Doxy, Prednisilone, and interferon. 2 weeks later his PCV was 26. I have never had an FeLV cat's PCV increase The vet said the Prednisilone can help maintain their Red blood cells. A friend of mine just had her 3 month old kitten test a slight positive for FeLV on both an in house Elisa and an Elisa they sent out (I thought the only one they sent out was an IFA, but she confirmed that was not what he had and the vet refuses to do an IFA at this point - huh?) She also refuses to put him on Interferon because she said it will stunt his growth - I've never heard that. I would think It would help boost his immune system if he is trying to fight it off. Anyway. Her kitten tested at a 30 on his PCV and the vet said a 24-30 was normal for a kitten; that a kitten's normal PCV is different than an adults. I've never heard this. All my FeLV cats in the past died from anemia. The normal for my adults has been 37-42. They all died at PCVs of 7-10 This is what the vet said about Stamp's full bloodworkup that was sent out: CBC shows anemia Not regenerating well White blood cell count low Stay on Doxycycline, Prednisolone and iron supplement and Innurferon Recheck in two weeks or sooner if not doing well. Has anyone had an FeLV kitten that has had a PCV and know what the vet said was normal. All mine were adults when they got sick. Stamp goes to a new vet Friday to be rechecked(Shelter is swithching vets). We'll see if there is a totally different opinion this time. I just don't know what to think right now. Beth Stamp Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta
urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
Hi Everyone, Urgent help, looking for home for FIP cat. Hami is a 5 month old female spayed kitten, black and white. Her sister was put to sleep due to FIP, and now since Hami was exposed and possibly showing signs of FIP they are going to put her to sleep tommorow. They are just pending biopsy, and trying to give her a little time to find a home. Need help, she is a sweet girl that deserves a home. In the new york area, Long island, willing to travel. Any help or suggestions appreciated! Thank you Jeni _ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
*Jeni, are you sure you mean FIP??? FIP cannot be diagnosed except through necropsy. Just because a kitten was exposed to the Corona Virus does not mean the kitten has FIP... * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Urgent help, looking for home for FIP cat. Hami is a 5 month old female spayed kitten, black and white. Her sister was put to sleep due to FIP, and now since Hami was exposed and possibly showing signs of FIP they are going to put her to sleep tommorow. They are just pending biopsy, and trying to give her a little time to find a home. Need help, she is a sweet girl that deserves a home. In the new york area, Long island, willing to travel. Any help or suggestions appreciated! Thank you Jeni _ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time.
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
is there someone on the list who can crosspost this onto the FIP list, please? that's about the best chance right now, because trying to educate people at the last minute isn't gonna do a whole lot of good. On 12/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
I just forwarded it TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there someone on the list who can crosspost this onto the FIP list, please? that's about the best chance right now, because trying to educate people at the last minute isn't gonna do a whole lot of good. On 12/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
only if they want to be educated. On 12/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
Well, I think we have to try to lead them to water. Then we will see if they want to drink. Honestly if they weren't willing to be educated I'd probably volunteer my time elsewhere. It would be too sad to see all those cats dying needlessly because of a crazy policy. But that's just me. On 12/12/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if they want to be educated. On 12/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
A diagnosis of FIP means that they've diagnosed one of the Corona Viruses (not FIP), and then made a best-guess of FIP, so I'm not sure I'd trust a diagnosis of FIP. Gloria - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!! FIP is 100% fatal, usually in a short time period. If she indeed is showing FIP symptoms, she wont make it long anyways, euthanasia IS a humane alternative. HOWEVER, if she is ONLY corona positive and NOT showing symptoms of FIP, then that's entirely different. Many shelters fail to understand WHAT Corona is, and that is NOT the same as FIP. Sounds like that may be the case here. I know you are just desperately trying to save this one cat, BUT, there is a MUCH BIGGER issue at stake here. I hope you may be willing to work on it once you understand (even if the understanding comes too late for this one kitten), so, in that hope, here goes: Education is the key. You need to call a meeting with the shelter's board of directors (if they are non-profit, they are required to have a board), and you need to come to that meeting fully prepared with facts, statistics, and studies that show the facts about Corona virus, and it's relation to FIP. You see, it's simply not the same thing. The fact that this kitten's brother succumbed to FIP does NOT mean that she will, EVEN if she is corona positive. While it's a sad fact that many shelters do euthanise any cats that test positive for Corona (in the mis-informed hope of stopping the spread of the virus), it's not a policy based on any good science. Infection with Coronavirus (Feline Enteric Corona Virus, or FECV) is actually very common in cats but most of the time it does not cause any problems, other than maybe mild diarrhea. Occasionally, the virus mutates within an infected cat, and it is this mutated form that causes the disease of FIP. Coronavirus is ubiquitous among cats and infection with the virus is particularly common where large numbers of cats are kept together. It is estimated that 25 to 40 per cent of household pet cats are infected. This infection rate increases to 80 to 100 per cent of cats kept in rescues!!! Although coronavirus is the cause of FIP, infection with coronavirus does not mean that the cat will go on to develop FIP. In comparison to the number of cats infected with the virus, the number that develop FIP is very small. It is only when the virus mutates that FIP may develop. While the word is still out as to exactly what causes the Corona virus to mutate into FIP in certain cats, studies indicate that it may be a genetic predisposition (suspected due to cats of a close relation often succumbing together), or a specific strain of Corona (suspected due to FIP cropping up in specific closed populations in unique geographic locations), or a combination of both of those variables. In addition, diagnosing FIP is highly tricky, and the fact that you are sending out a biopsy and implying that this kitten's fate rests on it's result further shows the lack of education on the part of the shelter taking that action. Because most cats will test positive for Corona and NEVER get FIP, it makes the diagnosis very complex, and that is further complicated by the fact that there are two specific forms of FIP, wet FIP and dry FIP. The best way to get a good SUSPICION of FIP diagnosis is be running several lab tests, and interpreting the result of them all, and the relation of those to each other. if they ALL lean towards a FIP diagnosis, THEN one can begin to assume FIP exists in the cat. REMEMBER, THERE IS NO TEST THAT CAN DIAGNOSE FIP ON A LIVING CAT, THE CAT MUST BE DEAD AND SUBMITTED FOR NECROPSY TO GET A TRUE FIP DIAGNOSIS. Here is the proper diagnostic testing recommendations for a LIVE cat: Non-effusive (“dry”) FIP profile: FCoV antibody titre: FCoV antibody titres in dry FIP are usually equal to or greater than 1280. An antibody titre of zero rules out non-effusive FIP. Note: many healthy cats and cats with diseases other than FIP have FCoV antibodies. The presence of FCoV antibodies alone is NOT diagnostic of FIP, if the other parameters of the profile do not indicate a diagnosis of FIPA healthy cat with a high FCoV antibody titre is NOT a cat with dry FIP. Albumin:Globulin ratio (A:G) In FIP the globulin concentration in serum or plasma is raised to over 40g/l. Consequently the A:G is usually lowered. An A:G of 0.4 indicates FIP is quite likely, provided that globulins are raised, remember than a low albumin (e.g. in liver disease) can also artificially lower the A:G. An A:G of 0.8 rules out FIP; A:G of between 0.4-0.8 - consider other parameters. AGP level AGP is an acute phase protein which is useful in distinguishing FIP from other clinically similar conditions. In FIP, AGP levels are usually
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
I have no experience with that particular condition, but sending you good vibes. Might also try some lactobacillus for the tummy and immune system. Also the 4 hour antihistamine that's used for cats- can't remember the brand. Gloria On Dec 9, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection – since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders – I have been researching more about this – and it’s fairly common in human as well – I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc… I am so devastated and I am very desparate – thank you in advance.
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Yeah, make sure it's Handicats2, not Handicats, we moved the group to Handicats2 because of spammers in the original group (with a missing group owner). Most of us unsubbed from the first one once we got the second one going, here's the link: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/ If you're on there, I haven't seen you make any posts, so make sure you just copy what you sent to this group, and send it there. It's not like this group, people don't usually talk much unless there's a topic open or someone has questions or needs help or support. (so you wont see many [if any] posts unless you start a conversation) You might even consider a partial lion cut, where they shave all of the cat except the head, neck, chest, lower legs, and the end of the tail. You could have them keep the hair halfway down both sides (extend the chest mane farther back) and opt to not trim his front half at all. http://www.thecatgallery.com/himalayan_cat_models_page_8.html is a lion cut gallery. There's a blue Persian farther down the page that has a good example of how it SHOULD look, and lots of examples of BAD lion cuts more towards the top of the page (probably what you'll end up with from the vet's office, unless the office staffs a professional groomer)) Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
RE: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Thank you so much, Phawryn -sometimes, if I am syringe feed him, he pees - do you think it's normal? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics Yeah, make sure it's Handicats2, not Handicats, we moved the group to Handicats2 because of spammers in the original group (with a missing group owner). Most of us unsubbed from the first one once we got the second one going, here's the link: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/ If you're on there, I haven't seen you make any posts, so make sure you just copy what you sent to this group, and send it there. It's not like this group, people don't usually talk much unless there's a topic open or someone has questions or needs help or support. (so you wont see many [if any] posts unless you start a conversation) You might even consider a partial lion cut, where they shave all of the cat except the head, neck, chest, lower legs, and the end of the tail. You could have them keep the hair halfway down both sides (extend the chest mane farther back) and opt to not trim his front half at all. http://www.thecatgallery.com/himalayan_cat_models_page_8.html is a lion cut gallery. There's a blue Persian farther down the page that has a good example of how it SHOULD look, and lots of examples of BAD lion cuts more towards the top of the page (probably what you'll end up with from the vet's office, unless the office staffs a professional groomer)) Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Yes, I think so. It could be that he has had to go for a while, and just couldn't make it to the box on his own, so he was holding it, and when you begin to feed him what goes in must come out, and he HAS to go. Try placing him in the box before each feeding. You may be able to train him to go with a command, like dogs do. Try telling him go potty. You can stimulate him with a warm wet washcloth on his privates while saying go potty, in time, he may associate the command with the deed. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
RE: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Yeah.. I will try that a few days ago, he almost flipped and fell from a litter box - my poor baby -I just don't know what to do,, he is on clavomox and is not getting any better - and don't know if it's because it is just going to take that long to heal or he actually does not have any infections if the drug damaged his tissues in his year.. the vet wants me to give him predisolone and am nervous about that, too as he has a bit of URIs now and don't want to compromise his immune system either.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics Yes, I think so. It could be that he has had to go for a while, and just couldn't make it to the box on his own, so he was holding it, and when you begin to feed him what goes in must come out, and he HAS to go. Try placing him in the box before each feeding. You may be able to train him to go with a command, like dogs do. Try telling him go potty. You can stimulate him with a warm wet washcloth on his privates while saying go potty, in time, he may associate the command with the deed. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
RE: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Yes, I did join - (now can't remember whether it was handicat or handicat2 - I will check)-poor ghandi.. he is long hair so he is soaked with pee and poops sometimes and he hates to be washed - my vet shave him a bit - but they are going to come over to my house to shave some more so that he won't get bladder infection or anything like that - I am finding out how common vestibular disorders are - I will be patient and pray that he will get better soon. Thnakyou! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics You're welcome Hideyo. I know it's hard to watch, AND I know it's hard to be him too, I've done both. There was a point when I was a teenager when I had such a severe ear infection, I couldn't get up off the couch without my mom practically carrying me for several days because the room was just spinning so badly. It was miserable. Just make sure you are getting enough food into him, it takes a LONG time to syringe feed enough food, and it's not going to be easy for a long term situation like this may end up being. One of those links I sent is a food calculator, so you can determine exactly what his intake needs are. I'd still say if he doesn't turn around in a couple of weeks, I'd opt for a tube, just because it's less stressful for the cat. Did you join Handicats2 yet? Those guys could probably give you some good advice too, especially for the potty issues, several of their cats are in diapers. Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! /BODY html
OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection - since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders - I have been researching more about this - and it's fairly common in human as well - I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc... I am so devastated and I am very desparate - thank you in advance.
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
Hi, I don't know about this antibiotic but when my shih tzu had idiopathic vestibular disease the vet had me give her over the counter sea sickness pills and in a few days I saw a difference in her. Don't know if this will work for Ghani or not, but you might want to ask vet. Has someone else had this experience? Dianne and Asia - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection - since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders - I have been researching more about this - and it's fairly common in human as well - I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc. I am so devastated and I am very desparate - thank you in advance.
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
At 06:10 PM 12/9/2006, you wrote: My Muffin recovered with antibiotics and no side effects. Kelly Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders I have been researching more about this and its fairly common in human as well I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc I am so devastated and I am very desparate thank you in advance. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
At 06:10 PM 12/9/2006, you wrote: another thought might be that the meds did not cause this problem, but the ear infection went to the inner earand the meds did not clear up the infection in time, My Muffin went on oral meds and made a complete recovery, she had even gone blind and her vision returned,,,Ghani may make a complete recovery, seems to take a bit of time though, Is not too serious,,,if it is vestibular,..It gets better Kelly Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders I have been researching more about this and its fairly common in human as well I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc I am so devastated and I am very desparate thank you in advance. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006
Re: FW: unknown cause of Anemia - help!
For bone marrow biopsy they knock them out for a few minutes and aspirate the bone with a needle. Then wake them up. Simon had it and had no pain from it, and the only mark was a very tiny scab like a bug bite. Michelle In a message dated 12/6/2006 12:04:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:29 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unknown cause of Anemia - help! Hi, my ayumi’s PCV started going down again and don’t know why ---it’s been mid 20’s for the past several weeks and now right below 20 – we (the vet and I ) don’t have any ideas why – she is negative for felk or fiv – and she is negative for hemebartnella (sp) – she is scheduled for dental this week and am very nervous – could stomatitis cause anemia??(I I don’t think so) – how invasive is bone marrow biopsy and what doe they do exactly? Any insight is appreciate – her kidney function and al others are normal but high end normal
FW: unknown cause of Anemia - help!
_ From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:29 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unknown cause of Anemia - help! Hi, my ayumi's PCV started going down again and don't know why ---it's been mid 20's for the past several weeks and now right below 20 - we (the vet and I ) don't have any ideas why - she is negative for felk or fiv - and she is negative for hemebartnella (sp) - she is scheduled for dental this week and am very nervous - could stomatitis cause anemia??(I I don't think so) - how invasive is bone marrow biopsy and what doe they do exactly? Any insight is appreciate - her kidney function and al others are normal but high end normal
Re: unknown cause of Anemia - help!
Hi, Can someone tell me how to unsubscribe. Thanks. On Dec 6, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:29 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Feline-CRF- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unknown cause of Anemia - help! Hi, my ayumi’s PCV started going down again and don’t know why --- it’s been mid 20’s for the past several weeks and now right below 20 – we (the vet and I ) don’t have any ideas why – she is negative for felk or fiv – and she is negative for hemebartnella (sp) – she is scheduled for dental this week and am very nervous – could stomatitis cause anemia??(I I don’t think so) – how invasive is bone marrow biopsy and what doe they do exactly? Any insight is appreciate – her kidney function and al others are normal but high end normal
Re: FW: unknown cause of Anemia - help!
Hideyo, Darn it, I'm sorry to hear Ayumi is anemic. I did a quick search on stomatitis and anemia. I saw links saying that anemia can cause stomatitis, but nothing about the other way around. I'll keep looking. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: *From:* Hideyo Yamamoto *Sent:* Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:29 AM *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* unknown cause of Anemia - help! Hi, my ayumi's PCV started going down again and don't know why ---it's been mid 20's for the past several weeks and now right below 20 -- we (the vet and I ) don't have any ideas why -- she is negative for felk or fiv -- and she is negative for hemebartnella (sp) -- she is scheduled for dental this week and am very nervous -- could stomatitis cause anemia??(I I don't think so) -- how invasive is bone marrow biopsy and what doe they do exactly? Any insight is appreciate -- her kidney function and al others are normal but high end normal
Re: FW: unknown cause of Anemia - help!
At 07:32 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: -- From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:29 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unknown cause of Anemia - help! You mentioned a while ago that she was eating poorly because of her teeth. That could play a role, Kelly Hi, my ayumis PCV started going down again and dont know why ---its been mid 20s for the past several weeks and now right below 20 we (the vet and I ) dont have any ideas why she is negative for felk or fiv and she is negative for hemebartnella (sp) she is scheduled for dental this week and am very nervous could stomatitis cause anemia??(I I dont think so) how invasive is bone marrow biopsy and what doe they do exactly? Any insight is appreciate her kidney function and al others are normal but high end normal No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.13/577 - Release Date: 12/6/2006
RE: cause of weak hind legs - help!
Thank you, Gina. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WN Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: cause of weak hind legs - help! You and your babies are in my prayers Hideyo. Gina Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am worried about my 15 months old baby, Ghandi, whom I have seen some changes in his behavior -- since October or so, he started to behave a bit differently, he does not meow loud as he used to, and started to hang out at a different place.. and hides more..and he had lost about 1 lb or so for the past weeks, and got really nervous.. from 6.5 to 6.9 to 6.0 until a few days ago,, then i have been feeding more baby food and his weight is back up to 6.4 or 6.5 now-- he can eat entire baby food jar at a time... one thing I noticed that he seems to be a bit weak on hind legs.. he can walk with no problem I thinkbut let's say if i push him a little,, he can fall.. and I am really nerovous about this for obvious reasons.. I have not done any blood work except when I did early September, things were normal... I am thinking that him being young, neuropathy is not common?? Please let me know if you can think of other possibilities of causing this..--he is my bottle baby and I just love him so very much.. along with ghandi, a couple of other kitties have been FOI because of all the losses to dry FIP -also, please pray that my Ayumi, Ghandi and baby Lizzy are going to get better vfery soon (my Toni is doing much better now - thank you!) thank you.. Visit my Tigger Tales http://tiggerwiggins.com/ site! _ Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43257/*http:/advision.webevents.yahoo.com/ma ilbeta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. image001.gif Description: image001.gif
cause of weak hind legs - help!
Hi, I am worried about my 15 months old baby, Ghandi, whom I have seen some changes in his behavior -- since October or so, he started to behave a bit differently, he does not meow loud as he used to, and started to hang out at a different place.. and hides more..and he had lost about 1 lb or so for the past weeks, and got really nervous.. from 6.5 to 6.9 to 6.0 until a few days ago,, then i have been feeding more baby food and his weight is back up to 6.4 or 6.5 now-- he can eat entire baby food jar at a time... one thing I noticed that he seems to be a bit weak on hind legs.. he can walk with no problem I thinkbut let's say if i push him a little,, he can fall.. and I am really nerovous about this for obvious reasons.. I have not done any blood work except when I did early September, things were normal... I am thinking that him being young, neuropathy is not common?? Please let me know if you can think of other possibilities of causing this..--he is my bottle baby and I just love him so very much.. along with ghandi, a couple of other kitties have been FOI because of all the losses to dry FIP -also, please pray that my Ayumi, Ghandi and baby Lizzy are going to get better vfery soon (my Toni is doing much better now - thank you!) thank you.. image001.gif Description: image001.gif
Re: cause of weak hind legs - help!
You and your babies are in my prayers Hideyo.
Gina
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Hi, I am worried about my 15 months old baby, Ghandi, whom I have seen some
changes in his behavior -- since October or so, he started to behave a bit
differently, he does not meow loud as he used to, and started to hang out at a
different place.. and hides more..and he had lost about 1 lb or so for the past
weeks, and got really nervous.. from 6.5 to 6.9 to 6.0 until a few days ago,,
then i have been feeding more baby food and his weight is back up to 6.4 or
6.5 now-- he can eat entire baby food jar at a time... one thing I noticed that
he seems to be a bit weak on hind legs.. he can walk with no problem I think
but lets say if i push him a little,, he can fall.. and I am really nerovous
about this for obvious reasons.. I have not done any blood work except when I
did early September, things were normal... I am thinking that him being young,
neuropathy is not common?? Please let me know if you can think of other
possibilities of causing this..--he is my bottle baby
and I just love him so very much.. along with ghandi, a couple of other
kitties have been FOI because of all the losses to dry FIP also, please pray
that my Ayumi, Ghandi and baby Lizzy are going to get better vfery soon (my
Toni is doing much better now thank you!)
thank you..
Visit my Tigger Tales site!
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Re: OT Big problem, help
At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a bad rescue). Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine the living conditions of the cats. I let people come by (with reasonable notice, I don't want people knocking on my door 24/7 or dumping off cats) and check out my babies' living conditions. I send a complete copy of all medical records home with every cat I adopt, always. I get paperwork from my vet and put it in the cat's file. I am not sure if he would release the paperwork to an adopter or not, but it is my job to do that not his. If you don't mind sending the money you have earmarked to save cats out of state, I would recommend checking out Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah. http://www.bestfriends.orghttp://www.bestfriends.org -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http
Re: OT Big problem, help
Honestly, they aren't all like that at all. I promise! I know lots of good rescuers. You're free to verbally run them down as you aren't in the business. I just try not to, since I believe we (rescuers) all need to cooperate as much as possible for the good of the animals. Go take a look at Best Friends website. http://www.bestfriends.org They are my model, and they always talk about how they started out with just a few feral cat traps.:) On 11/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a bad rescue). Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine the living conditions of the cats. I let people come by (with reasonable notice, I don't want people knocking on my door 24/7 or dumping off cats) and check out my babies' living conditions. I send a complete copy of all medical records home with every cat I adopt, always. I get paperwork from my vet and put it in the cat's file. I am not sure if he would release the paperwork to an adopter or not, but it is my job to do that not his. If you don't mind sending the money you have earmarked to save cats out of state, I would recommend checking out Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah. http://www.bestfriends.org -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- *Check out the new AOL*http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help
Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a bad rescue). Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine
Re: To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help
At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't
Re: OT Big problem, help
thanks for the link. elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 10:58:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly, they aren't all like that at all. I promise! I know lots of good rescuers. You're free to verbally run them down as you aren't in the business. I just try not to, since I believe we (rescuers) all need to cooperate as much as possible for the good of the animals. Go take a look at Best Friends website. _http://www.bestfriends.org_ (http://www.bestfriends.org/) They are my model, and they always talk about how they started out with just a few feral cat traps.:)
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Me too. I wouldn't have it. Pine floors with lots of shellac works. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed I've heard horror stories about wood laminate, the cat/dog pee eats through the finish and destroys it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
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thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly.This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either.BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats.I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a bad rescue).Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine the living conditions of the cats. I let people come by (with reasonable notice, I don't want people knocking on my door 24/7 or dumping off cats) and check out my babies' living conditions.I send a complete copy of all medical records home with every cat I adopt, always. I get paperwork from my vet and put it in the cat's file. I am not sure if he would release the paperwork to an adopter or not, but it is my job to do that not his.If you don't mind sending the money you have earmarked to save cats out of state, I would recommend checking out Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah. http://www.bestfriends.org -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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Thanks guys, I was very freaked out this morning when I got the initial email, but I am a lot calmer now. I really don't think there are pet limit laws, but I need to find out for sure, just for my own info. I met a lady at the low cost shot clinic one morning who told me that animal control had told her that as long as they all had rabies shots and were registered she was in the clear...one of her neighbors complained. Not sure if she was right or not. She had been getting them shots all week. On 11/24/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid that's true. You have a foster agreement with this rescue, correct? I also think that if you get into a battle with this group it could jeopardize your other cats. They could get nasty and send Animal Control to your door, even if there are no pet limit laws where you live and your place is spotlessly clean. All it takes is a false allegation and then you're on the defensive and having to prove the allegations were false and malicious. *Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think you're pretty much out of luck on this one Kelley. I'd call it a learning experience, and let her come take the cats, and then NEVER deal with that group again. If the cats are costing you more and more every day, it only makes sense to let the rescue come pick them up if you are not willing to continue to pay for the vet bills (and you're not willing, you have said many times that you expect the rescue to pay these bills, not yourself). I think you will recall several of us on the list advised that you should just return the cats to the rescue back when you first posted. If you don't want to return the cats, then you will have to adopt them, and pay the adoption fees (and eat the costs up to this point). A foster home is just that, a temporary home for the cats until the rescue can take them back, or until they are adopted (whichever comes first). It is your duty to release the cats back to the rescue if you are contracted as a FOSTER home. All their bad policy aside, that's what it comes down to, you CANNOT keep the cats unless you ADOPT them. You have two choices, either call it a loss, pay the adoption fees, and keep the cats (assuming they will approve your adoption application, which they may not at this point); or return the cats to the rescue and end your foster contract with that rescue group. Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Here's the section of the Austin city code that deals with restrictions on animals, as they call it. I didn't see anything about a limit in it. _Austin, TX Online Resources_ (http://www.amlegal.com/austin_nxt/gateway.dll?f=templatesfn=default.htmvid=amlegal:austin_tx) Yvonne
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I've dreamed about that too. With a great big drain in the middle of the floor so I could just hose the joint down! Nina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: If I ever build my own home (like yeah, never), I would put in stained concrete floors. Stained concrete looks REALLY nice, almost marble if it's done right (at a fraction of the cost). Phaewryn
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don't forget the radiant heat built into the concrete flooring--and heck with stained concrete, i'm just gonna stencil different rooms onto it! On 11/25/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've dreamed about that too. With a great big drain in the middle of the floor so I could just hose the joint down! Nina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: If I ever build my own home (like yeah, never), I would put in stained concrete floors. Stained concrete looks REALLY nice, almost marble if it's done right (at a fraction of the cost). Phaewryn -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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This just frosts my cookies. I wish I had useful advice for you. I don't but I can surely sympathize. I really would like to come up there with a big can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and open it on that group. Forgive me for starting a rant in response to your post - but I feel one coming on. RANT ALERT~ *disclaimer* If I step on some toes here...please forgive me and educate me...because I will be the first to admit that I am ignorant about a lot of things. Ignorance is curableso if I say something wrong - please be patient with me and help me understand. I love everyone of you and I appreciate all you do for the kitties. *end disclaimer* I am not emotionally able to foster cats - I have eight of my own...most of whom were rescued ferals from this area (i live in the sticks - outside the city limit in almost-rural Alabama). I know myself well enough that I know I could not emotionally handle fostering. I get so attached I couldn't give them up. Eight is my limit of what I can afford to care for properly both monetarily and emotionally (and it's almost too much)-- each one demands and deserves personal attention every day. Each one I took in is wholly a member of my family - with all the rights, privileges and love that goes along with that. My next door neighbor, however, was involved with a group that rehabilitates (and I use that word v e r y loosely) ferals. My pet name for them is 'Fiends of Ferals' (friends they are not!). She had over 20 fosters in her garage. Others in the group have from 60-100 fosters they are caring for. From my point of view -- that is INSANE. Plus - there were older members of the group who were constantly 'guilting' her into taking more. They prey on people's emotions --- Take these kitties or they are going to die. To me, that is one of the VERY worst kinds of manipulation and it is unspeakably despicable. I know that even in a perfect situation where things are kept immaculately clean -- in an environment with that many cats - you simply cannot control disease...and you cannot give each one the love and comfort it deserves. My heart says that these cats would be happier romping in the fields than living their lives in a cage--disease be damned. I'm thinking -- catch them and alter their ability to reproduce...give them medical treatment and let them go. Even so -- this group that was befriending ferals had very limited resources. I donated huge bags of Chicken Soup dry and wet catfood and money. They made it IMPOSSIBLE to get any kind of tax-deductible receipt and were snooty about it too (and then they wonder why people don't donate more???) and not only that - they made me feel like they didn't appreciate anything I tried to do to help. It really torqued me and made me sad at the same time. One day - I totally went off on my neighbor because she had 20 cats in her garage - in summer. If you have ever lived in the south (I am located in the heart of Dixie) - you know very well how unbearably hot and humid it gets here in that time of year...garage temps can easily exceed 104 degrees (not to mention the heat index). I had already given her a huge upright oscillating fan...convinced her to open the screened window to let air in... and had offered to buy her a window air-conditioner (which she refused...i think it was a pride thing but she may see it differently) - thought she did occasionally open the garage door six inches or so for ventilationover 20 cats in the garage and in cages We don't exactly live in Beverly Hills either - our garages are small. She already had five cats of her own and a dog. I went ballistic. To me - this was animal cruelty and torture. I used my sword (my pen) and wrote her organization and the humane society and it wasn't pretty. No - I never got any kind of response whatsoever. Ok - so I am a busybody. I couldn't help it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. The next day - they had an air-conditioner in there...but still - I wondered about the people with 40, 60, 100 ferals in their keep. It's one thing if you can set up properly...a facility constructed for the purpose of taking care of these dears...with plenty of fresh air -- room to climb...a place not REEKING of feces. But that is NOT what is going on with this group. (I'm sure you can tell - this is really a hot button with me and I have a bad attitude about it and a lot of resentment). Now -- don't get me wrong. I LOVE my neighbor. She is a dear person and I would risk my life to take care of her and her family...but I just didn't think she GOT it at that time (i think she does now). They were so blinded by the fact that they needed to take in all these kitties that they couldn't see the big picture of what was really going on here. I'm afraid I hurt her feelings terribly and I am very sorry for that...but to me, as much as I loved her...the lives
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I think you're pretty much out of luck on this one Kelley. I'd call it a learning experience, and let her come take the cats, and then NEVER deal with that group again. If the cats are costing you more and more every day, it only makes sense to let the rescue come pick them up if you are not willing to continue to pay for the vet bills (and you're not willing, you have said many times that you expect the rescue to pay these bills, not yourself). I think you will recall several of us on the list advised that you should just return the cats to the rescue back when you first posted. If you don't want to return the cats, then you will have to adopt them, and pay the adoption fees (and eat the costs up to this point). A foster home is just that, a temporary home for the cats until the rescue can take them back, or until they are adopted (whichever comes first). It is your duty to release the cats back to the rescue if you are contracted as a FOSTER home. All their bad policy aside, that's what it comes down to, you CANNOT keep the cats unless you ADOPT them. You have two choices, either call it a loss, pay the adoption fees, and keep the cats (assuming they will approve your adoption application, which they may not at this point); or return the cats to the rescue and end your foster contract with that rescue group. Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Well, I can't find any sort of pet limit law on Google. I was told there wasn't one, but this org has lied to me about many things. I live in Austin, TX if anyone is better at Googling than me. I turn up a bunch of gambling websites with pet limit law austin. I don't think you can join prepaid legal and address a situation that is in the process of happening, but I could be wrong so I will check it out. On 11/24/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any kind of a pet limit law where you live or could they report you to Animal Control for anything? These kinds of situations have the potential to get nasty so make sure you're covered. Also, take a look at www.prepaidlegal.com. I know a couple of people who have it, one of whom used it to defuse a situation with animal control. I'm considering getting it myself. If you have any kind of representation you can have her deal directly with your attorney and have that attorney send a letter or two on office letterhead. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hi Guys, I don't know if you remember but I posted to the list a while back that I was having problems with an organization that I have been fostering for. Well, it has gotten worse. I'm strapped for cash and have been trying to get the money that they owe me for medical bills. The director is now stating she is going to come take the cats on 12/3 (without reimbursing me the medical bills, of course). I would rather keep the cats with me, but they surely are not leaving here without me being reimbursed the money I have put out on them. I sent her an email stating this and that the cats were all registered and microchipped in my name and that I felt I could put forth a pretty good case for them being abandoned by this org. I'm freaking out here. I really can't afford a lawyer - I suppose I could take out a home equity loan on my home. There's got to be a way to deal with this other than that, though. The director does not care for me...because I do bizarre things like expecting them to do what they said they are going to do, and I will call her on it when necessary. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Elizabeth, you don't come off as a hard-a@@ at all - you are someone who sees things clearly and says so. You understand your limits and stick to them and you help others realize they have limits too and that 'in custody' may not be the best thing for all animals, and that 'in custody' means a proper healthy environment, not a non-ventilated garage. anyway, I'm very tired and may not be making complete sense so I'll let you get back to turkey leftovers:) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:56:41 PM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help This just frosts my cookies. I wish I had useful advice for you. I don't but I can surely sympathize. I really would like to come up there with a big can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and open it on that group. Forgive me for starting a rant in response to your post - but I feel one coming on. RANT ALERT~ *disclaimer* If I step on some toes here...please forgive me and educate me...because I will be the first to admit that I am ignorant about a lot of things. Ignorance is curableso if I say something wrong - please be patient with me and help me understand. I love everyone of you and I appreciate all you do for the kitties. *end disclaimer* I am not emotionally able to foster cats - I have eight of my own...most of whom were rescued ferals from this area (i live in the sticks - outside the city limit in almost-rural Alabama). I know myself well enough that I know I could not emotionally handle fostering. I get so attached I couldn't give them up. Eight is my limit of what I can afford to care for properly both monetarily and emotionally (and it's almost too much)-- each one demands and deserves personal attention every day. Each one I took in is wholly a member of my family - with all the rights, privileges and love that goes along with that. My next door neighbor, however, was involved with a group that rehabilitates (and I use that word v e r y loosely) ferals. My pet name for them is 'Fiends of Ferals' (friends they are not!). She had over 20 fosters in her garage. Others in the group have from 60-100 fosters they are caring for. From my point of view -- that is INSANE. Plus - there were older members of the group who were constantly 'guilting' her into taking more. They prey on people's emotions --- Take these kitties or they are going to die. To me, that is one of the VERY worst kinds of manipulation and it is unspeakably despicable. I know that even in a perfect situation where things are kept immaculately clean -- in an environment with that many cats - you simply cannot control disease...and you cannot give each one the love and comfort it deserves. My heart says that these cats would be happier romping in the fields than living their lives in a cage--disease be damned. I'm thinking -- catch them and alter their ability to reproduce...give them medical treatment and let them go. Even so -- this group that was befriending ferals had very limited resources. I donated huge bags of Chicken Soup dry and wet catfood and money. They made it IMPOSSIBLE to get any kind of tax-deductible receipt and were snooty about it too (and then they wonder why people don't donate more???) and not only that - they made me feel like they didn't appreciate anything I tried to do to help. It really torqued me and made me sad at the same time. One day - I totally went off on my neighbor because she had 20 cats in her garage - in summer. If you have ever lived in the south (I am located in the heart of Dixie) - you know very well how unbearably hot and humid it gets here in that time of year...garage temps can easily exceed 104 degrees (not to mention the heat index). I had already given her a huge upright oscillating fan...convinced her to open the screened window to let air in... and had offered to buy her a window air-conditioner (which she refused...i think it was a pride thing but she may see it differently) - thought she did occasionally open the garage door six inches or so for ventilationover 20 cats in the garage and in cages We don't exactly live in Beverly Hills either - our garages are small. She already had five cats of her own and a dog. I went ballistic. To me - this was animal cruelty and torture. I used my sword (my pen) and wrote her organization and the humane society and it wasn't pretty. No - I never got any kind of response whatsoever. Ok - so I am a busybody. I couldn't help it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. The next day - they had an air-conditioner in there...but still - I wondered about the people with 40, 60, 100 ferals in their keep. It's one thing
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find your local government's webpage, and search the zoning ordinances! On 11/24/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can't find any sort of pet limit law on Google. I was told there wasn't one, but this org has lied to me about many things. I live in Austin, TX if anyone is better at Googling than me. I turn up a bunch of gambling websites with pet limit law austin. I don't think you can join prepaid legal and address a situation that is in the process of happening, but I could be wrong so I will check it out. On 11/24/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any kind of a pet limit law where you live or could they report you to Animal Control for anything? These kinds of situations have the potential to get nasty so make sure you're covered. Also, take a look at www.prepaidlegal.com. I know a couple of people who have it, one of whom used it to defuse a situation with animal control. I'm considering getting it myself. If you have any kind of representation you can have her deal directly with your attorney and have that attorney send a letter or two on office letterhead. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I don't know if you remember but I posted to the list a while back that I was having problems with an organization that I have been fostering for. Well, it has gotten worse. I'm strapped for cash and have been trying to get the money that they owe me for medical bills. The director is now stating she is going to come take the cats on 12/3 (without reimbursing me the medical bills, of course). I would rather keep the cats with me, but they surely are not leaving here without me being reimbursed the money I have put out on them. I sent her an email stating this and that the cats were all registered and microchipped in my name and that I felt I could put forth a pretty good case for them being abandoned by this org. I'm freaking out here. I really can't afford a lawyer - I suppose I could take out a home equity loan on my home. There's got to be a way to deal with this other than that, though. The director does not care for me...because I do bizarre things like expecting them to do what they said they are going to do, and I will call her on it when necessary. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Prepaid legal would basically provide an attorney contact person and would write a couple of letters on your behalf. They would not represent you in court. But having someone deal with an attorney rather than you, and having that person receive letters on an attorney's letterhead, will very often back them off, cause them to mind their manners. People join prepaid legal when they know they'll be dealing with contracts or patent issues or things like that. I don't see why you couldn't go to the prepaid legal website today and sign up and have them write a letter to this person you're dealing with next week. Check the terms of service but I don't see why you couldn't sign up in anticipation of needing their services. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can't find any sort of pet limit law on Google. I was told there wasn't one, but this org has lied to me about many things. I live in Austin, TX if anyone is better at Googling than me. I turn up a bunch of gambling websites with pet limit law austin. I don't think you can join prepaid legal and address a situation that is in the process of happening, but I could be wrong so I will check it out. On 11/24/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any kind of a pet limit law where you live or could they report you to Animal Control for anything? These kinds of situations have the potential to get nasty so make sure you're covered. Also, take a look at www.prepaidlegal.com. I know a couple of people who have it, one of whom used it to defuse a situation with animal control. I'm considering getting it myself. If you have any kind of representation you can have her deal directly with your attorney and have that attorney send a letter or two on office letterhead. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I don't know if you remember but I posted to the list a while back that I was having problems with an organization that I have been fostering for. Well, it has gotten worse. I'm strapped for cash and have been trying to get the money that they owe me for medical bills. The director is now stating she is going to come take the cats on 12/3 (without reimbursing me the medical bills, of course). I would rather keep the cats with me, but they surely are not leaving here without me being reimbursed the money I have put out on them. I sent her an email stating this and that the cats were all registered and microchipped in my name and that I felt I could put forth a pretty good case for them being abandoned by this org. I'm freaking out here. I really can't afford a lawyer - I suppose I could take out a home equity loan on my home. There's got to be a way to deal with this other than that, though. The director does not care for me...because I do bizarre things like expecting them to do what they said they are going to do, and I will call her on it when necessary. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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There are lots of new people on the list... but I can tell you all. Get rid of your carpet and put in ceramic tile. Keep it sealed. Odor problems gone! t TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, yes, the infamous squirts... the one i have doing that now, tho, has the incredible kindness to do so in the bathtub, so it's easy to clean up On 11/10/06, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I have Leader, who is really my little miracle boy -- he was born feleuk positive and is almost 5 yrs old -- having outlived all his littermates by a lot. I call him my little squat and squirt boy -- he has recurring diarrhea that I don't think I am ever going to clear up. He just walks along and when he has to go, squats and squirts. Rarely in the litterbox! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend... On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common: WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, If you can smell Cat, then you're too close! Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Someday maybe I will be able to afford this, if I stop taking in so many cats! On 11/22/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of new people on the list... but I can tell you all. Get rid of your carpet and put in ceramic tile. Keep it sealed. Odor problems gone! t *TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: ah, yes, the infamous squirts... the one i have doing that now, tho, has the incredible kindness to do so in the bathtub, so it's easy to clean up On 11/10/06, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I have Leader, who is really my little miracle boy -- he was born feleuk positive and is almost 5 yrs old -- having outlived all his littermates by a lot. I call him my little squat and squirt boy -- he has recurring diarrhea that I don't think I am ever going to clear up. He just walks along and when he has to go, squats and squirts. Rarely in the litterbox! *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend... On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common: WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, If you can smell Cat, then you're too close! Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. *tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're *SNEAKY!!!* *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I've heard horror stories about wood laminate, the cat/dog pee eats through the finish and destroys it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
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I really want tile, but it is SO EXPENSIVE. On 11/22/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard horror stories about wood laminate, the cat/dog pee eats through the finish and destroys it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
If I ever build my own home (like yeah, never), I would put in stained concrete floors. Stained concrete looks REALLY nice, almost marble if it's done right (at a fraction of the cost). Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
LOL, Utah isn't really on my list of places to live either! Well, there are other professions where you work with animals that isn't as sad as the vet offices are, and there are lots of other shelters besides Best Friends (the ASPCA in NY is always hiring it seems), but you're right, so long as you are working with animals, there's always some potential for heartbreak involved. Maybe you could get a job that involves more working outside, and not being locked in a building with all those high-and-mightiers. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
He is better and I am so grateful. Thank you. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan, So many losses. I'm so sorry. I hope Valley recuperates. It's tough with positive cats. We can only do the best we can. t Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my library cats, who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain. Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom. And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call Dai-doo and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her. Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart. And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.
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I guess it is possible. My boy who is spraying has a bladder infection and is on meds, so hopefully it will stop soon. On 11/13/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the dress sit in the washer overnight? If so, you may have smelled moldy, not like cat pee It's possible the cat peed on the washer, and the pee ran in on top of the clean wash, right? You have a top-loading washer? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/531 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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On 11/13/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a great idea take all your skills, and write up a nice resume, and apply at VET OFFICES, maybe they could use a person with your skills there, and the smell wouldn't be an issue. Phaewryn You know what? I don't think I could handle working in a vet's office. I was crying earlier over Hideyo's cats, and I don't even know Hideyo. My coworker asked what I was crying about and I said sick cats..no, they aren't my sick cats..and yes, I don't even know Hideyo..so yeah, I am crying about someone's sick cats on the Internet. You think they think I was strange before. Anyway I just picture vet's offices as kinda being surrounded by grief, and I know I couldn't cope with it. I can barely read this list and can't read the heart kitty list at all, so being around it all the time would probably kill me. I would love to work for Best Friends, but not if I have to live in Kaneb Utah. Heh.
SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF
Hi, everyone, please share your insight - my older boy kitty I rescued is experiencing severe ARF - I say this only because his blood work two weeks ago shows pretty normal value of kidney functions, ,but he starts losing weight and can't each as much as I thought he had FIP as I recently lost of my babies to FIP - The blood work shows very very profound RF - might be what Hannibal had at the end.. today 1-Nov normal range Crea 12.5 3 0.8-2.3 BUN 167 28 15-34 phos 17.5 4 3.0-7.0 HCT 17.3 28.2 29-45 WBC 30.6 23.8 4.2-15.5 total bulirubin 0.7 0.2 0.0 - 0.4 indirect bilirubin 0.5 0.1 0-0.3 TCO2 5 19 13-25 He is on IV right now and we started on epogen this morning as well. Also, gave doxycycline as antibiotics - I am thinking using SAMe as I heard that it's good for anemia - please share any of your insighg - what do you think it's causing this severe ARF - could it be FIP? I am trying to find other cause - Also, please pray for my Rikki that he will feel better - thank you.
Re: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF
Hideyo, from the numbers it looks like his WBC has been high even since November 1. Is it possible he has a severe kidney infection and that is what is causing the high kidney values and the anemia (since kidney problems can cause anemia)? Michelle In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:11:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, please share your insight – my older boy kitty I rescued is experiencing severe ARF – I say this only because his blood work two weeks ago shows pretty normal value of kidney functions, ,but he starts losing weight and can’t each as much as I thought he had FIP as I recently lost of my babies to FIP – The blood work shows very very profound RF – might be what Hannibal had at the end.. today 1-Nov normal range Crea 12.5 3 0.8-2.3 BUN 167 28 15-34 phos 17.5 4 3.0-7.0 HCT 17.3 28.2 29-45 WBC 30.6 23.8 4.2-15.5 total bulirubin 0.7 0.2 0.0 - 0.4 indirect bilirubin 0.5 0.1 0-0.3 TCO2 5 19 13-25 He is on IV right now and we started on epogen this morning as well. Also, gave doxycycline as antibiotics – I am thinking using SAMe as I heard that it’ s good for anemia – please share any of your insighg – what do you think it’ s causing this severe ARF – could it be FIP? I am trying to find other cause – Also, please pray for my Rikki that he will feel better – thank you.
RE: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF
Hi, Michelle - yeah.. that's what I was thinking, too - but I am wondering what's causing kidney infections - do you think doxi is a good antibiotics for this? My vet think so..but always want a second opinion.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF Hideyo, from the numbers it looks like his WBC has been high even since November 1. Is it possible he has a severe kidney infection and that is what is causing the high kidney values and the anemia (since kidney problems can cause anemia)? Michelle In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:11:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, please share your insight - my older boy kitty I rescued is experiencing severe ARF - I say this only because his blood work two weeks ago shows pretty normal value of kidney functions, ,but he starts losing weight and can't each as much as I thought he had FIP as I recently lost of my babies to FIP - The blood work shows very very profound RF - might be what Hannibal had at the end.. today 1-Nov normal range Crea 12.5 3 0.8-2.3 BUN 167 28 15-34 phos 17.5 4 3.0-7.0 HCT 17.3 28.2 29-45 WBC 30.6 23.8 4.2-15.5 total bulirubin 0.7 0.2 0.0 - 0.4 indirect bilirubin 0.5 0.1 0-0.3 TCO2 5 19 13-25 He is on IV right now and we started on epogen this morning as well. Also, gave doxycycline as antibiotics - I am thinking using SAMe as I heard that it's good for anemia - please share any of your insighg - what do you think it's causing this severe ARF - could it be FIP? I am trying to find other cause - Also, please pray for my Rikki that he will feel better - thank you.
Re: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF
I have never dealt with kidney infections. Doxy is a good, strong, broad-spectrum antibiotic. For some reason I thought they use baytril for kidney problems, but maybe that is only for UTI's. Michelle In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:36:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Michelle – yeah.. that’s what I was thinking, too – but I am wondering what’s causing kidney infections – do you think doxi is a good antibiotics for this? My vet think so..but always want a second opinion..
RE: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF
Yep batrill is used commonly among CRF Kitties as broad spectrum antibiotic especially when they get UTIs _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: SOS -help My Rikki - severe ARF I have never dealt with kidney infections. Doxy is a good, strong, broad-spectrum antibiotic. For some reason I thought they use baytril for kidney problems, but maybe that is only for UTI's. Michelle In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:36:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Michelle - yeah.. that's what I was thinking, too - but I am wondering what's causing kidney infections - do you think doxi is a good antibiotics for this? My vet think so..but always want a second opinion..
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Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
Susan, So many losses. I'm so sorry. I hope Valley recuperates. It's tough with positive cats. We can only do the best we can. t Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my library cats, who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain. Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom. And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call Dai-doo and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her. Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart. And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.
Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
Never apologize for loving the little ones and caring enough to seek help for them either in this world or in the next. I am so sorry you are going thru this. Please know that you are doing so much good and the little ones adore you for it. A friend of mine swears we get Karma points for hard times. You are getting them by the millions. The little ones thank you for caring and providing for them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry Susan, So many losses. I'm so sorry. I hope Valley recuperates. It's tough with positive cats. We can only do the best we can. t Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my library cats, who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain. Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom. And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call Dai-doo and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her. Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart. And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
I totally agree...I use this too! Smells great and cleans! I like the Lavender one. In a message dated 11/13/2006 1:24:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi - I've been quietly lurking and following thistopic because I've had my cats pee on my clothes inthe past and wanted to see what advice was given. I want to share a recent discovery I've made thatmakes my clothes smell great! I've started using the new Tide Simple Pleasureslaundry soap combined with the same fragranced DownySimple Pleasures fabric softener and my clothes smelllightly scented with a nice, soft floral fragrance allday! The scent is strong enough to cover up anyvinegar smell that may be in the clothes. Ipersonally love the Rose Violet scent - very nice!I've tried a lot of laundry soap because I have anincontinent cat and I find that Tide has the strongestand most long lasting scent - more expensive, butworth it!Just my 2 cents!Linda Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Try an overnight soak in Petzyme (purchased at PetsMart) or some other enzyme product that you can use to soak your clothes. The mistake most people make with enzyme odor removal products is not keeping them wet long enough for the bacteria to work on the source of the odor. It would also help if you had a place to store your clothes so your kitty couldn't access them. I'm sure you hang them in a closet but try to place underwear and other items you store indressers one drawer down from top and one drawer up from bottom. That should leave you with two drawers. You might also try adding plastic storage boxes to your drawers. I have several spraying kitties who spray my dresser and the urine seeps into the drawers. I solved the problem the above way. Dr. Bronner's Lavender soap is excellent as a laundry soap, floor wash, counter wash, body wash, almost everything wash. It's natural, no cancer-causing chemicals or chemical fumes pretending to be Lavender or Rose. A bit more expensive then Tide but worth it for keeping chemical's out of your cat's environment. Lee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed I totally agree...I use this too! Smells great and cleans! I like the Lavender one. In a message dated 11/13/2006 1:24:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi - I've been quietly lurking and following thistopic because I've had my cats pee on my clothes inthe past and wanted to see what advice was given. I want to share a recent discovery I've made thatmakes my clothes smell great! I've started using the new Tide Simple Pleasureslaundry soap combined with the same fragranced DownySimple Pleasures fabric softener and my clothes smelllightly scented with a nice, soft floral fragrance allday! The scent is strong enough to cover up anyvinegar smell that may be in the clothes. Ipersonally love the Rose Violet scent - very nice!I've tried a lot of laundry soap because I have anincontinent cat and I find that Tide has the strongestand most long lasting scent - more expensive, butworth it!Just my 2 cents!Linda Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
