Re: Lost a kitten/ Nina
Nina, You always say the right thing!! I take inspiration whenever I read your posts. Your story about the little bird brought back a "bitter sweet" moment I had, years ago, when I lost my Bear to AIHA... I remember "watching" this little bird make her nest, & waited, w/ anticipation for the eggs to hatch... The afternoon I returned from vet, after having lost my baby, I sat, tearfully on my porch. Crying my eyes out, just "not understanding" why/how I lost my Bear. It made no sense & I was totally devastated!! When, lo & behold. Just when I was at the utmost moment of despair - the eggs hatched!!! Words can't explain the joy I felt at that exact moment... I just remember thinking," One life ends, another one begins". I was SO comforted at that moment. And, thankfully, it's a memory that hasn't been lost. Whenever I lose a furbaby, I "try" to remember that moment, for comfort. It's never easy... But at least I have "that" memory to take comfort in Hugs, Patti & her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: To Nina: Re: more recalls
How about all purina products - since they are a major distributor, you would think they checked all their products already? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Nina: Re: more recalls I don't know Nina. I'm wondering the same thing. My friend this weekend just bought the Natural Balance (duck) for her dog that has allergies. He wolfed the first few nuggets down that she gave him. I saw the recall today and called her right away to let her know to keep an eye out. There is no wheat gluten in it as you said. It looks like they are voluntarily pulling the venison formula due to customer complaints, which I think it very responsible of them, considering they aren't taking any time to verify the info. beforehand. It could just be a false alarm for all we know if it's solely based on consumer complaint. I want to know asap if there really is a problem and if so, what it is!!! I hope it's not in our food too! Maybe it does have to do with the Vitamin D thing they are talking about and not the wheat gluten at all! :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, now I'm really scared. I went to look up the > Natural Balance > website ingredients list of venison & fresh green > pea dry formula for > cats and as I suspected, there is no wheat gluten > listed! What the Hell > gives?? I haven't checked the other dog/cat > formulas being questioned > yet. Thanks for the heads up. I don't know what to > think. I'll keep > watching the website as they've promised to update > us. I hate that they > state in caps that these are the only foods > affected. I guess they mean > so far. > Feeling sick, > Nina > > > TenHouseCats wrote: > > www.howl911.com <http://www.howl911.com> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Nina: Re: more recalls
I don't know Nina. I'm wondering the same thing. My friend this weekend just bought the Natural Balance (duck) for her dog that has allergies. He wolfed the first few nuggets down that she gave him. I saw the recall today and called her right away to let her know to keep an eye out. There is no wheat gluten in it as you said. It looks like they are voluntarily pulling the venison formula due to customer complaints, which I think it very responsible of them, considering they aren't taking any time to verify the info. beforehand. It could just be a false alarm for all we know if it's solely based on consumer complaint. I want to know asap if there really is a problem and if so, what it is!!! I hope it's not in our food too! Maybe it does have to do with the Vitamin D thing they are talking about and not the wheat gluten at all! :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, now I'm really scared. I went to look up the > Natural Balance > website ingredients list of venison & fresh green > pea dry formula for > cats and as I suspected, there is no wheat gluten > listed! What the Hell > gives?? I haven't checked the other dog/cat > formulas being questioned > yet. Thanks for the heads up. I don't know what to > think. I'll keep > watching the website as they've promised to update > us. I hate that they > state in caps that these are the only foods > affected. I guess they mean > so far. > Feeling sick, > Nina > > > TenHouseCats wrote: > > www.howl911.com <http://www.howl911.com> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats
My Buddy was a street cat, skittish and scared (though probaby not feral) and he ended up being the sweetest cat I've ever had, and that was before we had his pom poms removed. He was 15 pounds of pure muscle and had the neatest cheek pouches that the vet said he had because he was an adult tom cat when we rescued him. He got a little pudgy after the neutering though. He was my FIV+ boy. It's been almost four and a half years since he crossed the Bridge and I still grieve for his gentle soul. I always will. Some street cats make the BEST house cats. You just never know. :) Gina Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon me Nilla for calling you a "he" :-) ). I love the success stories! Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs turn into the sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of those bothersome pom poms. He may not be as nasty as he appears. Do you remember my FIV boy, Starman? He bit me so hard at first that it would not only puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite site. He is now the fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could imagine, (I'll send you a picture off list). His girlfriend is our tiny Pistol, she's all of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb. She wanted nothing to do with him and his burly ways when he came to live with us, but he wore her down with his persistent and patient adoration and now they sleep and play together. He follows her around like some underpaid bodyguard, it's so cute. So, you never know what personality lurks under all that testosterone, fear and self preservation. Nina wendy wrote: > Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's > wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying that, > but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, and > loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're > blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue info. > This will help when approaching them for help. > > :) > Wendy Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats
Nina, I laughed out loud at your metaphor of Starman romancing Pistol and following her around...hehe. These kids probably think I'm a nutcase laughing at my computer like I do. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon > me Nilla for > calling you a "he" :-) ). I love the success > stories! > > Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs > turn into the > sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of > those bothersome pom > poms. He may not be as nasty as he appears. Do you > remember my FIV > boy, Starman? He bit me so hard at first that it > would not only > puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite > site. He is now the > fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could > imagine, (I'll send > you a picture off list). His girlfriend is our tiny > Pistol, she's all > of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb. She > wanted nothing to do > with him and his burly ways when he came to live > with us, but he wore > her down with his persistent and patient adoration > and now they sleep > and play together. He follows her around like some > underpaid bodyguard, > it's so cute. So, you never know what personality > lurks under all that > testosterone, fear and self preservation. > Nina > > wendy wrote: > > Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's > > wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying > that, > > but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, > and > > loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're > > blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue > info. > > This will help when approaching them for help. > > > > :) > > Wendy > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats
Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon me Nilla for calling you a "he" :-) ). I love the success stories! Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs turn into the sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of those bothersome pom poms. He may not be as nasty as he appears. Do you remember my FIV boy, Starman? He bit me so hard at first that it would not only puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite site. He is now the fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could imagine, (I'll send you a picture off list). His girlfriend is our tiny Pistol, she's all of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb. She wanted nothing to do with him and his burly ways when he came to live with us, but he wore her down with his persistent and patient adoration and now they sleep and play together. He follows her around like some underpaid bodyguard, it's so cute. So, you never know what personality lurks under all that testosterone, fear and self preservation. Nina wendy wrote: Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying that, but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, and loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue info. This will help when approaching them for help. :) Wendy
To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats
Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying that, but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, and loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue info. This will help when approaching them for help. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wendy, > Be sure when you talk to them to let them know you > are willing to do the > work and follow up. We're heading into heavy kitten > season and every > rescue you call will be even more overwhelmed than > usual. Someone will > be much more likely to help you if they don't > suspect you are one of > those callers that is looking to dump their > responsibility on a rescue's > already heavy burden. If you first thank them for > all they do, then > tell them you are looking for their expertise, the > loan of equipment, > and the name of a vet in your area that will work > with feral neuters > they will probably be happy to help you help them > get one more > aggressive male on the street neutered. Ask them if > it might be > possible to go through their vet in order to get > their group discount. > (They may even offer to pay for his neuter and shots > if they have enough > money in the till). > > P.S. Do you still have that Pit rescue you and your > husband found on > the street? How's he working out? > Thanks Wendy for being someone that cares enough to > help those in need, > Nina > > wendy wrote: > > Thanks everyone for all the good info. I will be > > calling one of the places this afternoon. > > > > :) > > Wendy > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: For Nina
Try spraying Feliway around the house. It should calm the cats. I have no luck with the atomizer Feliway but the spray and concentrated catnip spray help a lot. Rescue Remedy in the cats' water (not to mention mine at times) is also helpful. Brewer's yeast in food has helped a lot with various dogs' itching. I haven't tried it on a cat so you may want to check it out. Just ideas. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "Debbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: For Nina Thanks for your comments Nina. It is appreciated. We were so relieved when our babies tested negative. Although now I wonder if Elsa who was put to sleep was actually positive. We have tried to eliminate things that might make the scratchy ones less itchy. I use advantage on them and that seems to help quite a bit. Even though they have no fleas. The vets have suggested steroid shots but said they don't like to use them very often. We live on 3 acres in the country so anything could be causing it. There's alot of crops, trees, and pollen. It only started after we had them spayed/ neutered. It also seems to be a certain personality type (high strung). We don't have enough room to give them all their own space. We have one, Tigger, who we let go in the bathroom alot. He is a bully at times but once he gets some alone time he seems better. Sneezy and her daughter Patches we keep in our bedroom. They are both high strung. Sneezy used to be mean to some of the others and once we got her fixed the tables turned. Now they all hate her and she dislikes most of them. She growls when anyone even looks at her. She LOVES people though. We are thinking about building an outside enclosure for some for the summer. Just for short periods of time, so they can enjoy the outdoors. I don't worry much about the Humane Society, but I was somewhat apalled by their remarks. I have been around animals all my life and I have seen my fair share of suffering, but it would never harden my heart to the degree that I would be willing to look the other way when an animal needed help. I also get angry about it because I have asked for their help before with injured and/ or stary animals and every time they tell me to take them to the pound! I have actually got that response from 2 different county orgs. We live in the countryside and in a different county than the society that I had contacted. They assumed I was in the same area because the town near by is split down the center into to counties. As far as "hoarding goes" - well, I have 2 opinions on that. I realize how easy it could be to fall into such a thing, but I also think that instead of society critisizing these people for "trying their best" to help - they themselves should help more. Debbie -Original Message- From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 9, 2007 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Questions and concerns - nervous hair pulling cats Hi Debbie, First let me say HURRAY! for the neg results on all your cats. Your story has now been added to so many others on the list in confirming that mixing doesn't seem to be as big a concern as the veterinary community would have us believe. Such wonderful news for you and your babies. Michelle, one of our list members has a cat that pulls and rends at her fur over nervous tension. She uses a benadryl compounded transdermal (made into a cream to apply to the inside of the ear tip) that seems to work wonders. You could try using an otc antihistamine like benadryl or Chlorpheniramine to see if it calms them enough to stop the behavior. I use Chlortabs periodically for my 20lb FIV boy, Starman, when he gets to chewing on himself (2 to 4mg or .5 to a whole tab daily) and it seems to keep whatever is making him itch under control. I would strongly suggest that you figure out a way to deal with whatever is making them so ill at ease environmentally though. Is there any way to give these guys their own space? I've used screen doors to separate guys that are afraid of being in general population so they can slowly be re-acclimated. That's another long discussion though :-) . I read your email to your local Humane Society and their reply to you. I can understand why you are feeling like they don't appreciate your efforts and why you are upset at their not being more supportive. My first thought was that they were less nasty then I would have expected
Re: For Nina
Hiya Debbie! If I'm remembering correctly - I believe I read those comments from the Humane Society and I really don't think they were trying to talk down to you -- they just didn't know *you*. I can see how one might take what they said personally -- but I'd just take two grains of salt and call them in the morning :0) I have 8 cats and it is truly a challenge for me to give each and every one of them all the personal attention they deserve and be in tune with each of them enough to know if something is amis. I live in Alabama...where all outside kitties are 'ferals' too (rolling eyes)... and the predominant philosophy is to have FeVL+ babies PTS w/o consideration for what their current condition may be or how treatable it may be. (duh) I live on the far edge of the county too -- not EVEN in a town -- the aerial photos from Google Earth show that there is NOTHING around me :0) (as it should be, in my book). Even so -- for the luxury of having a view-- there is sometimes a price to pay (vet wise). Out here you have to listen to your own wits as you well know! Mama Kitty helped me dig holes for roses all day. In less than two months it will be 1 yr to the day that my vet recommended that I say goodbye to Mama Kitty (about the time I joined this wonderful community). Nuthin' doin'. :0) She is SO healthy and happy now. We did treatments with Acemannan, supplements, antibiotics and steroids. (She was severely anemic and right at 7lbs). I haven't weighed her lately but she is truly fat and happy (but not too fat -- she's just gorgeous and her coat feels like silk) Thank goodness I had an open-minded vet who was willing to try anything that might help. Sometimes - they just don't know! (Incidentally - he's up for using acemannan now and recommends it as a treatment option for FeVL+) After all the work was done today, I kicked back on the porch -- ice pack on ankle and Mama Kitty in my lap happy as can be. She's snoozing on my best chair now and has an excellent quality of life. If you could just see her - it would make you smile because you can just tell that she feels good and she is happy. My Phelix is the one with the allergies. He never showed symptom one before my last boyfriend lived here for a while (smoked worse than I used to). (sorry if that is TMI). Phelix's symptoms began then -- tearing the hair from his tummy and his back legs looked like little granny legs. (I should have known that man was bad news) I don't know if it is from the agriculture going on here or what. (I used to use pesticides...now I just use ground water) Since then we did steroid shots...immunoregulin...everything. Tested for ringworm...every test available. Still biting his hair out. The transdermal benedryl from the compounding pharmacist has done more to help with those symptoms than anything. Compounding pharmacist uses muscle testing -- he is a cat person and firmly believes that most cat allergies are rooted in diet. Phelix helped plant roses today too -- we are all exhausted! We're tired but this yard is going to be AWESOME in a few weeks :0) (Probably have close to 100 rose planted here and lots and lots of flower, herbs, and veggies) With 8 cats we have sibling rivalry issues. Those Feliway diffusers and the spray help calm everyone a lot. That and rescue remedy and concentrated cat nip spray. My Phelix was born with only one eye -- in those bouts of sibling rivalry the kids go right for that one good eye -- makes me crazy. Thank goodness -- at least tonight...all is calm and happy at Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa. Glad you joined the group -- keep those posts coming. elizabeth On 3/9/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for your comments Nina. It is appreciated. We were so relieved when our babies tested negative. Although now I wonder if Elsa who was put to sleep was actually positive. We have tried to eliminate things that might make the scratchy ones less itchy. I use advantage on them and that seems to help quite a bit. Even though they have no fleas. The vets have suggested steroid shots but said they don't like to use them very often. We live on 3 acres in the country so anything could be causing it. There's alot of crops, trees, and pollen. It only started after we had them spayed/ neutered. It also seems to be a certain personality type (high strung). We don't have enough room to give them all their own space. We have one, Tigger, who we let go in the bathroom alot. He is a bully at times but once he gets some alone time he seems better. Sneezy and her daughter Patches we keep in our bedroom. They are both high strung. Sneezy used to be mean to some of the others and once we got her fixed the tables turned. Now they all hate her and she dislikes most of them. She growls when anyone even looks at her. She LOVES people though. We are thinking about bu
RE: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
Hear hear---everything Nina and Barb said about how important and special you are to us, Patti, is so true. I remember being so happy and so relieved when you started posting again in recent months! I always love seeing your postings; it gives me that all too rare "all's right with the world" feeling. You are indeed an inspiration to me too in all that you do for your beloved furbabes, despite your many and significant health problems. Know you're always in my thoughts too, dear Patti, sending you healing vibes. much love and big hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ovaban and other stuffNina Dearest Patti, Your vet visit with Charity is going to be peaceful and smooth, I just know it. As far as drawing blood... What we've done is keep the kitty completely covered and just gently extracted a back leg to draw blood from. If you stroke, or gently tap her head through the towel while the vet pulls the blood it will distract her from the prick of the needle. I'm so sorry to hear how horrendous your disabilities are. Please hang in there. All the animals love and need you. I know it's not as important, but some of us two leggers love and need you too. I remember the first time I "met" you on the list. You hadn't been posting for awhile and the very first post back was so full of compassion and helpful information that I fell in love with you on the spot. I even wrote to tell you how happy and grateful I was that you started posting to the list again. Those feelings have continued to grow. You are a very special person Patti, an inspiration in so many ways. Thank you for making the effort necessary to continue sharing your life and stories with us. Please know you are always in my thoughts and prayers, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my "mobility" is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many "things" and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me "what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him "why" I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, "explained" to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think "telling" me, "It's ok Mom & thank you". And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less "stressful" - for both her & me. I'm just concerned about "how" we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, "intact" & had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on & on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to "explain" what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway & RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she ac
Re: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
Patti, I for one am always happy when I see you've posted something. Your presence here is simply, right. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:27:10 AM Subject: Re: ovaban and other stuffNina Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my "mobility" is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many "things" and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me "what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him "why" I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, "explained" to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think "telling" me, "It's ok Mom & thank you". And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less "stressful" - for both her & me. I'm just concerned about "how" we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, "intact" & had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on & on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to "explain" what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway & RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love & support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs & thanks, Patti & her gang AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
*Dearest Patti, Your vet visit with Charity is going to be peaceful and smooth, I just know it. As far as drawing blood... What we've done is keep the kitty completely covered and just gently extracted a back leg to draw blood from. If you stroke, or gently tap her head through the towel while the vet pulls the blood it will distract her from the prick of the needle. I'm so sorry to hear how horrendous your disabilities are. Please hang in there. All the animals love and need you. I know it's not as important, but some of us two leggers love and need you too. I remember the first time I "met" you on the list. You hadn't been posting for awhile and the very first post back was so full of compassion and helpful information that I fell in love with you on the spot. I even wrote to tell you how happy and grateful I was that you started posting to the list again. Those feelings have continued to grow. You are a very special person Patti, an inspiration in so many ways. Thank you for making the effort necessary to continue sharing your life and stories with us. Please know you are always in my thoughts and prayers, Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so *bad*, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my "mobility" is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many "things" and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! *Think positive* - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me "what did I want to do w/ his remains.I *jokingly* said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very *LARGE*] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him "why" I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, "explained" to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think "telling" me, "It's ok Mom & thank you". And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less "stressful" - for both her & me. I'm just concerned about "how" we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, "intact" & had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the */idiots/* I encounteredG.. I could go on & on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to "explain" what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway & RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love & support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs & thanks, Patti & her gang AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339>.
Re: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my "mobility" is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many "things" and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me "what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him "why" I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, "explained" to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think "telling" me, "It's ok Mom & thank you". And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less "stressful" - for both her & me. I'm just concerned about "how" we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, "intact" & had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on & on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to "explain" what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway & RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love & support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs & thanks, Patti & her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Thanks for your comments Nina. It is appreciated. We were so relieved when our babies tested negative. Although now I wonder if Elsa who was put to sleep was actually positive. We have tried to eliminate things that might make the scratchy ones less itchy. I use advantage on them and that seems to help quite a bit. Even though they have no fleas. The vets have suggested steroid shots but said they don't like to use them very often. We live on 3 acres in the country so anything could be causing it. There's alot of crops, trees, and pollen. It only started after we had them spayed/ neutered. It also seems to be a certain personality type (high strung). We don't have enough room to give them all their own space. We have one, Tigger, who we let go in the bathroom alot. He is a bully at times but once he gets some alone time he seems better. Sneezy and her daughter Patches we keep in our bedroom. They are both high strung. Sneezy used to be mean to some of the others and once we got her fixed the tables turned. Now they all hate her and she dislikes most of them. She growls when anyone even looks at her. She LOVES people though. We are thinking about building an outside enclosure for some for the summer. Just for short periods of time, so they can enjoy the outdoors. I don't worry much about the Humane Society, but I was somewhat apalled by their remarks. I have been around animals all my life and I have seen my fair share of suffering, but it would never harden my heart to the degree that I would be willing to look the other way when an animal needed help. I also get angry about it because I have asked for their help before with injured and/ or stary animals and every time they tell me to take them to the pound! I have actually got that response from 2 different county orgs. We live in the countryside and in a different county than the society that I had contacted. They assumed I was in the same area because the town near by is split down the center into to counties. As far as "hoarding goes" - well, I have 2 opinions on that. I realize how easy it could be to fall into such a thing, but I also think that instead of society critisizing these people for "trying their best" to help - they themselves should help more. Debbie -Original Message- >From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Mar 9, 2007 12:19 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: Questions and concerns - nervous hair pulling cats > >Hi Debbie, >First let me say HURRAY! for the neg results on all your cats. Your >story has now been added to so many others on the list in confirming >that mixing doesn't seem to be as big a concern as the veterinary >community would have us believe. Such wonderful news for you and your >babies. > >Michelle, one of our list members has a cat that pulls and rends at her >fur over nervous tension. She uses a benadryl compounded transdermal >(made into a cream to apply to the inside of the ear tip) that seems to >work wonders. You could try using an otc antihistamine like benadryl or >Chlorpheniramine to see if it calms them enough to stop the behavior. >I use Chlortabs periodically for my 20lb FIV boy, Starman, when he gets >to chewing on himself (2 to 4mg or .5 to a whole tab daily) and it seems >to keep whatever is making him itch under control. I would strongly >suggest that you figure out a way to deal with whatever is making them >so ill at ease environmentally though. Is there any way to give these >guys their own space? I've used screen doors to separate guys that are >afraid of being in general population so they can slowly be >re-acclimated. That's another long discussion though :-) . > >I read your email to your local Humane Society and their reply to you. >I can understand why you are feeling like they don't appreciate your >efforts and why you are upset at their not being more supportive. My >first thought was that they were less nasty then I would have expected. >Just to play devil's advocate... People at shelters and rescues deal >with such horror day in and day out, that they can become overwhelmed >and stuck in their ways of dealing with it. When they hear of someone >with more than a few pets they probably worry that the situation will >escalate into a "hoarder" situation, or, because they don't know you, >think that somewhere down the line, they will have to step in and deal >with things should they become overwhelming to you. You can see how >quickly that can happen when you have a big heart and not enough >resources to deal with all those in need. I stay far away from any sort >of governmental organizations and NEVER give out my "number" to anyone >that might cause trouble for me and min
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Hi Nina Minstral hasn't gone on antibiotics at the moment. I will watch her closely for a couple of days and try to look at her mouth again after that period - if she has worsened then I will take her to the boss vet cos he is great - but he only works 2 days a week. She is a very difficult cat to medicate anyway - although very affectionate with me she is semi ferral and is also very defensive and doesn't take kindly to being restrained by any means bless her - unless of course she is on the vets table then she is good as gold and makes me look a fool. As was the case with Bramble - Minstral and Buddy both carry calicivirus but are at the moment able to fight it. I wondered if she was fighting a reoccurence of calici as she sounds a little nasaly at times but hasn't got the runny nose or sneezes. Calici can also explain gingivitis - Her little ears were getting a bit hot at times so I suspect she was getting a temperature and looked a bit confused at times but it wasn't severe. I think that if she is fighting off calici herself at the moment the antibiotics are of limited use and I don't want to build her tolerance to them unneccesarily. FIO is the gold standard drug for calici anyway in the uk. Another thing I wondered about was that I changed their biscuits and they were a little harder (they have some biscuits and some wet food) but that was a couple months ago - the last couple of days I changed back to slightly softer dry food and I think this has helped her - she loves her biscuits. I'm going to put cod liver oil and multi vits in her food and see if she will eat it. She is fussy like most cats - if she smells anything medicine like in her food she won't eat it. At least she is a fat cat and loves eating which is one less worry at the moment. She is eating drinking and toileting fine - in fact she still looks at me and waits for me to give her clean litter before she gets in to soil it again LOL. The behavioural changes were so subtle that most people would have not noticed but as you will all know you become so fined tuned to your furbabies that you sense it instantly. Was cute really it's as if she was coming to me to tell me she wasn't well. Then when we got home after she'd been to the vet today, and although she battles against being picked up and put in the carrier, she lifted her head up and butted my chin as she was saying thanks for listening mummy - was so sweet. Don't know if this is any clearer Nina Thanks Michelle, Minstral, Buddy & Angel Bramble
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
That is great progress! tonya Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on "Operation Jack" that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his facility to our vet -- and will "sanction" the altered animals and not pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh my dear, be very careful. You're not going to find anyone being "indulgent" or open to "education" under those circumstances. How is Animal Control around there? Don't let those people think for a minute that you will be sticking your nose in their horrid business. Covert is definitely the word for dealing with that sort of thing. Just the thought makes my stomach churn. The "dogs for protection" people can sometimes be reached with reason and tact, (hard to do, but you have to approach them as if you do believe they have some feelings for their animals). There was a group of people, I can't remember the organization's name, that used to go door to door with things like run lines to install for dogs chained up. You know, a line strung from tree to tree, (or post to post), that would allow the dog a little more freedom of movement. They'd bring gifts of food and supplies and try to get their message out to the people that might be swayed. Bless their hearts, and your's too, it seems to be a never ending uphill battle. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and > we wonder how well cared for. The "search team" yesterday came across > several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we > have to address that in addition to the cat issues.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
I'm in LIttle Rock, AR. Wish you were here to work with us!! Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's so ridiculous to think that just anyone could tell a frantic out-of-their-mind with fear house cat from a feral under those conditions. And for Heaven's sake, not giving people access to the feral room when they are searching for their cats is unconscionable. I hate going to the shelter, some of the worst of my haunting images come from those brave, stoic ferals waiting on death row. I'm always battling my sensitivities that make me want to pull the covers over my head with the NEED to get involved. Where do you live? I wish I had such wonderful like-minded people to join forces with. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > We are literally in shock because it is such an unexpected thing. > What a wonderful idea to microchip tnr cats! So far what we have > been able to work out with AC was for our previous director to > evaluate cats in the feral room to separate truly feral from just > fractious. They he ok'd us taking any feral we could relocate. They > still withhold the existence of a feral room from the general public > when they go in searching for a cat they've lost. But the current > situation sure beats the way it used to be -- the only way out of the > feral room was to the euthanasia room.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
It's so ridiculous to think that just anyone could tell a frantic out-of-their-mind with fear house cat from a feral under those conditions. And for Heaven's sake, not giving people access to the feral room when they are searching for their cats is unconscionable. I hate going to the shelter, some of the worst of my haunting images come from those brave, stoic ferals waiting on death row. I'm always battling my sensitivities that make me want to pull the covers over my head with the NEED to get involved. Where do you live? I wish I had such wonderful like-minded people to join forces with. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: We are literally in shock because it is such an unexpected thing. What a wonderful idea to microchip tnr cats! So far what we have been able to work out with AC was for our previous director to evaluate cats in the feral room to separate truly feral from just fractious. They he ok'd us taking any feral we could relocate. They still withhold the existence of a feral room from the general public when they go in searching for a cat they've lost. But the current situation sure beats the way it used to be -- the only way out of the feral room was to the euthanasia room.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
We are literally in shock because it is such an unexpected thing. What a wonderful idea to microchip tnr cats! So far what we have been able to work out with AC was for our previous director to evaluate cats in the feral room to separate truly feral from just fractious. They he ok'd us taking any feral we could relocate. They still withhold the existence of a feral room from the general public when they go in searching for a cat they've lost. But the current situation sure beats the way it used to be -- the only way out of the feral room was to the euthanasia room. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OMG that's fantastic!! A friend of mine has been trying to work with the shelter in her area to not pts tipped ferals. Her rescue group is now micro chipping all their tnr cats so that they know the colony to return them to. Small grueling steps can sometimes pay off. Oh so good for you guys! The icing on the cake would be for Jack to come home! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able > to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a > miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that > the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on "Operation > Jack" that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort > in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and > got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his > facility to our vet -- and will "sanction" the altered animals and not > pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't > tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this > city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
OMG that's fantastic!! A friend of mine has been trying to work with the shelter in her area to not pts tipped ferals. Her rescue group is now micro chipping all their tnr cats so that they know the colony to return them to. Small grueling steps can sometimes pay off. Oh so good for you guys! The icing on the cake would be for Jack to come home! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on "Operation Jack" that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his facility to our vet -- and will "sanction" the altered animals and not pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Animal Control is -- better than it used to be. We haven't been able to get them to round up the pack of dogs running in the area but in a miracle of a turn of events just a little while ago we found out that the head of AC is going to work with our rescue group on "Operation Jack" that our President just proposed to him -- a massive TNR effort in Jack's neighborhood. We determined that we needed to do this and got all our input during our searches for Jack. He is offering his facility to our vet -- and will "sanction" the altered animals and not pick them up -- we will ear-tip so AC will know what is what. I can't tell you what a development this is -- it is groundbreaking for this city -- such a big development that we can't really take it all in yet. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh my dear, be very careful. You're not going to find anyone being "indulgent" or open to "education" under those circumstances. How is Animal Control around there? Don't let those people think for a minute that you will be sticking your nose in their horrid business. Covert is definitely the word for dealing with that sort of thing. Just the thought makes my stomach churn. The "dogs for protection" people can sometimes be reached with reason and tact, (hard to do, but you have to approach them as if you do believe they have some feelings for their animals). There was a group of people, I can't remember the organization's name, that used to go door to door with things like run lines to install for dogs chained up. You know, a line strung from tree to tree, (or post to post), that would allow the dog a little more freedom of movement. They'd bring gifts of food and supplies and try to get their message out to the people that might be swayed. Bless their hearts, and your's too, it seems to be a never ending uphill battle. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and > we wonder how well cared for. The "search team" yesterday came across > several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we > have to address that in addition to the cat issues.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Your friend should put a note on her collar introducing herself! It would be nice to know where the heck she goes and I'm always looking for allies in my neighborhood. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: some cats have second homes, too--a friend has a calico (of course) who disappears every may, and comes home every september, fat and sassy and clearly well-cared for
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Oh my dear, be very careful. You're not going to find anyone being "indulgent" or open to "education" under those circumstances. How is Animal Control around there? Don't let those people think for a minute that you will be sticking your nose in their horrid business. Covert is definitely the word for dealing with that sort of thing. Just the thought makes my stomach churn. The "dogs for protection" people can sometimes be reached with reason and tact, (hard to do, but you have to approach them as if you do believe they have some feelings for their animals). There was a group of people, I can't remember the organization's name, that used to go door to door with things like run lines to install for dogs chained up. You know, a line strung from tree to tree, (or post to post), that would allow the dog a little more freedom of movement. They'd bring gifts of food and supplies and try to get their message out to the people that might be swayed. Bless their hearts, and your's too, it seems to be a never ending uphill battle. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and we wonder how well cared for. The "search team" yesterday came across several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we have to address that in addition to the cat issues.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Most of the dogs we have come across are strictly for protection - and we wonder how well cared for. The "search team" yesterday came across several yards full of what we think is fighting dogs in training -- we have to address that in addition to the cat issues. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My neighborhood is not nearly so friendly to animals as Jack's seems to be. They're not exactly abusive, but very, very neglectful. Lot's of "Oh we love our dog", while they keep her chained up ignored in the front yard. It's the main reason our house is overflowing with fourleggers. When an animal goes missing, most of the folks around here don't even look for them, (or answer found ads in the paper), they just go get another one and their old "pets" end up at my house :( . They don't for a minute understand my dedication, but they usually treat me with indulgence. They think the way I perceive animal rights is crazy, but they seem to smile on my efforts anyway. It's very frustrating, but I keep trying to educate. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking > you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the > neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think > we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are > nuts -- and harmless!!
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My neighborhood is not nearly so friendly to animals as Jack's seems to be. They're not exactly abusive, but very, very neglectful. Lot's of "Oh we love our dog", while they keep her chained up ignored in the front yard. It's the main reason our house is overflowing with fourleggers. When an animal goes missing, most of the folks around here don't even look for them, (or answer found ads in the paper), they just go get another one and their old "pets" end up at my house :( . They don't for a minute understand my dedication, but they usually treat me with indulgence. They think the way I perceive animal rights is crazy, but they seem to smile on my efforts anyway. It's very frustrating, but I keep trying to educate. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are nuts -- and harmless!!
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
some cats have second homes, too--a friend has a calico (of course) who disappears every may, and comes home every september, fat and sassy and clearly well-cared for On 1/22/07, Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are nuts -- and harmless!! *Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: I am convinced that someone had taken Ursula in even though they knew that she was being searched for. Ursula, if I do say so myself, is quite a stunning Calico and I think the person just didn't want to give her up. One of the hints I had from the psychic was that Ursula could see a picket fence from the window she was sitting in. My house has a picket fence too, so I approached the other like-fenced houses in the neighborhood with the story, (they all think I'm nuts anyway), that I thought maybe Ursula might have gotten confused by the similarity and went into their yard. I was relentless in my search and I suspect that this person finally opened the door and let her out in the middle of the night. Of course I couldn't sleep while she was gone and I got up in the middle of the night to find her sitting outside our sliding glass door waiting to be let in. I had to blink twice to make sure I wasn't imagining her there. She was in great shape, not even hungry, that also made me suspect someone was trying to keep her as their own. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or > feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that > someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the > flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate > area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the > residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen > the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible. I know Dianne > is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that > time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Wow, that is encouraging. Know what you mean about people thinking you are nuts! We don't venture far into some parts of the neighborhood with out a second or third person along -- but I think we've felt pretty safe because people kind of treat us like we are nuts -- and harmless!! Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am convinced that someone had taken Ursula in even though they knew that she was being searched for. Ursula, if I do say so myself, is quite a stunning Calico and I think the person just didn't want to give her up. One of the hints I had from the psychic was that Ursula could see a picket fence from the window she was sitting in. My house has a picket fence too, so I approached the other like-fenced houses in the neighborhood with the story, (they all think I'm nuts anyway), that I thought maybe Ursula might have gotten confused by the similarity and went into their yard. I was relentless in my search and I suspect that this person finally opened the door and let her out in the middle of the night. Of course I couldn't sleep while she was gone and I got up in the middle of the night to find her sitting outside our sliding glass door waiting to be let in. I had to blink twice to make sure I wasn't imagining her there. She was in great shape, not even hungry, that also made me suspect someone was trying to keep her as their own. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or > feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that > someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the > flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate > area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the > residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen > the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible. I know Dianne > is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that > time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it.
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I am convinced that someone had taken Ursula in even though they knew that she was being searched for. Ursula, if I do say so myself, is quite a stunning Calico and I think the person just didn't want to give her up. One of the hints I had from the psychic was that Ursula could see a picket fence from the window she was sitting in. My house has a picket fence too, so I approached the other like-fenced houses in the neighborhood with the story, (they all think I'm nuts anyway), that I thought maybe Ursula might have gotten confused by the similarity and went into their yard. I was relentless in my search and I suspect that this person finally opened the door and let her out in the middle of the night. Of course I couldn't sleep while she was gone and I got up in the middle of the night to find her sitting outside our sliding glass door waiting to be let in. I had to blink twice to make sure I wasn't imagining her there. She was in great shape, not even hungry, that also made me suspect someone was trying to keep her as their own. Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible.I know Dianne is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it.
Re: OT - pet psychics/animal communicators - Nina
Jack's personality is such that he never meets a stranger - human or feline. If he has lost his collar and ID it is very possible that someone has either taken him in or at least is feeding him. With the flyer coverage -- close to 100 in the area -- and out of the immediate area at grocery stores, restaurants, car washes, etc., where the residents might gather -- it is hard to believe someone hasn't seen the flyers and the reward. But it is still possible.I know Dianne is keeping food out but I will definitely suggest going out at that time. So many good ideas from all you guys. We all appreciate it. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Such a bittersweet story about the neighborhood Jack's gone missing in. It sounds like so much good will be done in his honor. Isn't that just life in a nutshell? Since the folks in that area seem so kindly disposed to animals, I'm wondering if someone has taken Jackie in, or is at least keeping him fed. I know it must be cold out, but is your friend keeping a window or door ajar in case he wanders back home? Around 3am seems to be the time when they feel safe to attempt travel. Has your friend been going outside and shaking a package of dry food around that time? Since other's have been trapped, it sounds like traps are being set where he went missing. How fortunate for the ones that have been/will be helped. Thank you Jack, now COME HOME! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: > Nina, thank you so much. Please do send prayers Jack's way. He > disappeared on Jan. 1st and there hasn't been a day, hardly that > someone from his family or our rescue group hasn't been "on the > streets" looking for him and talking to people. I really do like the > business card idea -- we did, in addition to flyers, half-size > "handbills" -- half of an 81/2 x 11 page which we put on doors and > gave to people - but the business cards are easier for people to hold > on to. The neighborhood is really interesting -- an old downtown > 'hood area where people are moving in and renovating old homes. Lots > of boarded up homes, brushy areas mixed in with better cared for > places. Last night a couple of kids brought a black cat to Dianne's > (Jack's mom) door thinking it was Jack. It wasn't but Dianne took it > in because it had an injured tail and took to vet this morning. > She's also taken all unaltered animals she's trapped to be altered. > Our rescue group has discovered in this search that this is the > neighborhood where we want to begin to concentrate on tnr- we are > calling our effort "The Jackie Project" in Jack's honor -- we have met > many wonderful people with essentially zero resources who are willing > to feed strays but can't afford spay neuter. Jack's nicknames are > Jackie and Ducky. He is black but with a brownish tint in the sun. > He has lots of sinus problems and lots of the time has the tip of his > tongue sticking out. I have been amazed that every single person we > have talked to -- including knocking on the door at all hours -- has > been indredible -- not one single person has refused a request to let > us check basements or walk their property -- and we have felt safe > even though this is a neighborhood high in drug activity and police > activity. Other than not finding Jack yet it has been a totally > positive experience.
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeingblood afterspay
At 06:52 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote: Fortunately the foley catheter bag is out of site so they do not see the blood,,,We actually chart the color change from red to orange to yellowNo one has died of shock though once we explain it is not a bid deal,,even the little bood vessels in the bladder can rupture when there is a bit of trauma,,,so you have never had a bad UTI yourself,,,lucky woman Kelly OMG! If I peed blood after a surgery, I would DIE of a heart attack, LOL! The blood wouldn't have to kill me, the shock would be enough! I didn't when I had my tubes tied, but that's not very invasive either I suppose. I will have to ask my mom is she peed blood after her VERY traumatic emergency hysterectomy (she was prolasping, I hope that doesn't run in the family). Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006
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OMG! If I peed blood after a surgery, I would DIE of a heart attack, LOL! The blood wouldn't have to kill me, the shock would be enough! I didn't when I had my tubes tied, but that's not very invasive either I suppose. I will have to ask my mom is she peed blood after her VERY traumatic emergency hysterectomy (she was prolasping, I hope that doesn't run in the family). Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood afterspay
At 06:21 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote: Actually, It depends upon the kind of surgery. Many of my patients after hysterectomies or C sections do have blood in their urine. It depends upon how much..as little usually clears in a day or so if it a lot we might assume the bladder was nicked. That usually heals on it's own also..Again it depends on just how much...all blood and no urine is a big concern...pink and blood tinged urine is not Kelly If a HUMAN was peeing blood after a surgery, I bet no one would take the "wait and see" stance! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood afterspay
If a HUMAN was peeing blood after a surgery, I bet no one would take the "wait and see" stance! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Thanks Nina, That's exactly what the vet tech told me when I came in. She said they have to express the bladder and that can sometimes irritate the bladder. She also mentioned nicking the bladder could be a cause, but didn't think that was the reason. I hope she isn't going to get anemic from losing blood. Let's hope this clears up soon! :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Sweetie, > > You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now. > I am concerned. I > don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be > getting more > concentrated, not less. The fact that she was in > heat during her spay > does cause further complications. > > I did a quick Google and did come up with a site > that mentioned blood in > the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is > manipulation of the urinary > bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus) > during the surgical > procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms > disappear within a few > days." > > *She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are > able to figure out > what's going on and let her come home with you, (I > wouldn't leave her > there unless they have round the clock care). > > Please let us know as soon as you can. You're in my > prayers and thoughts, > Nina > > wendy wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her > spay > > Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight > because > > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they > said > > they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all > this > > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's > > been in the house and we didn't let her out in > time > > and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium > > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that > she > > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of > the > > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the > > other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for > > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to > call. > > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't > as > > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be > > causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed > into > > her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she > has > > had a UTI and we didn't know it? > > > > Any advice is appreciated, > > Thanks, > > Wendy > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Maybe it isn't "uncommon" for this to happen after /your/ vet operates, but I've never experienced or heard of it being something not to be concerned about. I'm with Jen, she should have told you it's better to wait until Nilla was out of her heat cycle. Did you tell her the blood was getting more concentrated? I'm glad Nilla is not acting like she's in distress or pain, but make sure you keep her quiet for her own good. Keep a close eye on the situation and make sure you have someplace to take her if things get worse before Monday. I'm still concerned. Please let us know how she's doing, Nina wendy wrote: Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to happen. She said she is 90% sure a round of Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked some up this morning (in the middle of our garage sale). She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday. Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood. :) Wendy --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would call the vet this morning before they close. I have never heard of that and had many a cat spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well t wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Hi Sweetie, You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now. I am concerned. I don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be getting more concentrated, not less. The fact that she was in heat during her spay does cause further complications. I did a quick Google and did come up with a site that mentioned blood in the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is manipulation of the urinary bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus) during the surgical procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms disappear within a few days." *She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are able to figure out what's going on and let her come home with you, (I wouldn't leave her there unless they have round the clock care). Please let us know as soon as you can. You're in my prayers and thoughts, Nina wendy wrote: Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
You're a good mommy, Wendy. I hope so much this will take care of it. Please kiss that sweet baby for me and tell her Auntie Beth love her very much. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 11:05:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to happen. She said she is 90% sure a round of Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked some up this morning (in the middle of our garage sale). She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday. Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood. :) Wendy
Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Eee Gads! Shame on your vet, I say, he COULD have sent her home and told you "sorry, the complications are too high while she is in heat, please reschedule after she is out of heat". JMO. I wonder if it is actually blood in the pee, or if she's bleeding from her vagina, and it's just mixing in with the pee as it passes through the vulva. There shouldn't be any reason for there to be blood in the urine after a spay, the bladder is not involved with the spay surgery. The only way there would be blood in the urine caused by a spay is if the vet accidentally lacerated the bladder, and had to repair it, and the repair is not holding. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to happen. She said she is 90% sure a round of Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked some up this morning (in the middle of our garage sale). She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday. Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood. :) Wendy --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would call the vet this morning before they close. > I have never heard of that and had many a cat > spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well > > t > > wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her > spay > Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said > they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's > been in the house and we didn't let her out in time > and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that > she > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of > the > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the > other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't > as > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be > causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into > her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has > had a UTI and we didn't know it? > > Any advice is appreciated, > Thanks, > Wendy > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
I would call the vet this morning before they close. I have never heard of that and had many a cat spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well t wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Wendy - I am praying for you both. Please let us know what the doctor says. elizabeth In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:37:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy
Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
No I would not want her alone at the vet's. She would be better off with someone (you) watching after her. My concerns are whether you have backup if the vet is not open. I live in a rural area and finding vets off hours here can be (at best) interesting. Nilla is such a lucky dog. I wish her a long and happy life with you and you with her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay Thanks Marylyn, They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call right away. If we have to take her in, we will, but I am hoping all she needs is antibiotics. I don't want her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all she needs is antibiotics, you know? :) Wendy --- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with plenty of them. I've never had a problem like this. Do you have an emergency vet nearby or will your vet come in for emergencies? My concern is for the rest of the weekend. Also, I would not be put off. I would want to see a vet for my own peace of mind. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay > Hey guys, > > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay > Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said > they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's > been in the house and we didn't let her out in time > and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the > other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be > causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into > her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has > had a UTI and we didn't know it? > > Any advice is appreciated, > Thanks, > Wendy > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Thanks Marylyn, They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call right away. If we have to take her in, we will, but I am hoping all she needs is antibiotics. I don't want her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all she needs is antibiotics, you know? :) Wendy --- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with > plenty of them. I've never > had a problem like this. Do you have an emergency > vet nearby or will your > vet come in for emergencies? My concern is for the > rest of the weekend. > Also, I would not be put off. I would want to see a > vet for my own peace of > mind. > > > > > > If > you have men who will > exclude any of God's creatures > > from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who > > will deal likewise with > their fellow man. > > St. > Francis > - Original Message - > From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM > Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla > Belle peeing blood after > spay > > > > Hey guys, > > > > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her > spay > > Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight > because > > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they > said > > they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all > this > > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's > > been in the house and we didn't let her out in > time > > and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium > > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that > she > > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of > the > > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the > > other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for > > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to > call. > > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't > as > > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be > > causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed > into > > her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she > has > > had a UTI and we didn't know it? > > > > Any advice is appreciated, > > Thanks, > > Wendy > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with plenty of them. I've never had a problem like this. Do you have an emergency vet nearby or will your vet come in for emergencies? My concern is for the rest of the weekend. Also, I would not be put off. I would want to see a vet for my own peace of mind. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay
Hey guys, Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's been in the house and we didn't let her out in time and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has had a UTI and we didn't know it? Any advice is appreciated, Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: New member introduction/questions-Nina
>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:44:00 -0800, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >How is Shane with vet visits? Would he do okay with dental work while he's >awake? How long ago was your last vet visit? Did he drop the weight quickly, >or over a length of time? Depending on how bad his gums are, you might want to > try and address his gingivitis and herpes infection first. Maybe try > the antibiotics and lysine and see how he responds. Hi Nina, Shane does quite well at the vet's office. He usually purrs the whole time he is there and is very cooperative about everything. However, I'm sure he finds it stressful (don't most animals?) between being put in his carrier, riding in the car and then all the weird sounds and smells at the clinic. He certainly does better than many cats I've seen there. It had been about six weeks since his last vet appointment so the weight loss took place over that period of time. He's a little on the pudgy side, so he can actually stand to lose a little weight. However, since I hadn't been making a concerted effort to get any weight off of him, the weight loss does concern me. I plan to take him back in about a week to see if he is continuing to drop weight. He has been on L-lysine, 250 mg. twice daily for months (since his eye infection was diagnosed). The vet didn't start him on an antibiotic yet but will probably put him on a course of antibiotics whether we decide to do the dental or not. Thanks for your help! Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
Re: add to CLS - Valley, Susan's baby (Nina)
Susan, My condolences as well. I was hoping Valley had turned the corner. I'm so sorry. tonya Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, I am so sorry to hear about Valley's loss. I was so hoping for his continued recovery. Too much heartbreak in your corner of late. I hope that your students can help you heal, you are giving both them and your cats an amazing gift in bringing these two worlds together. Sleep sweet, Valley. Leslie G. Lane wrote: > Susan's away from her computer, as it's Thanksgiving and she doesn't > have a computer at home. > > But I just wanted to write and tell you guys that she lost beloved > "Valley" today. He's an adult FELV flame point Siamese, and he died > tonight probably from a disease caused by his FELV condition. His > hematocrit was very low, and today he started having trouble > breathing. She can address the details better than I, but I just > wanted to put this out on the list.. > > Valley was a wonderful, gorgeous baby, who had been with her for > maybe 3 years (?), and served as a Library Cat at the Blind School > where Susan is Librarian. He will be very much missed. > > Sleep soft, sweet Valley.
Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
It's best for them to come to your house. My guy came for a small fee (dinner money). lol.wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Karen,Thanks! I would love that. Do you think she willwant to come look at her interact with our dogs, or doyou think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?I am in Rockwall.Thanks!Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Wendy,> Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some> reliable person in lewisville > who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure> what she charges but she > gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had> my pit. She will not sugar > coat anything let me know.> Karen> Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
I would love that, but am maxed out at 11 dear souls in 1250 square feet... (5 cats, 1 african grey parrot, 2 lovebirds, my mom, my husband, and myself.) If I ever move to a bigger place, a new dobe is a definite! Thanks, Beth Original message: Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one !! Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one !! Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Oh, I understand about that "cool stare". People would cross the street to avoid us when I was out walking her. She was still scary looking even with her uncropped ears, big belly, and genetically caused near baldness. I would never approach a strange dobe with that focused stare... Missing that dear old dog now :o( Beth
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Rotties need to be raised with care and respect, but I feel more comfortable around one I've just met because, (at least for me), they are easier to "read" than Dobbies. Their facial expressions and body language signal what's going on in their heads and give more of an indication of their emotions than Dobermans. There can be something unnerving about the cool stillness in a Dobbie's stare when he's unsure of your intentions. Every dog, just as every human, is an individual and is the result of genetics and environment. You just can't judge a book by it's cover. Think Ted Bundy. Nina Gary Murphy wrote: Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house. The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address. As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down. He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her. I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again. But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) Beth Original message from Catatonya: I can't take the test either. The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit. But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!) There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't. He has 5 rescued pits. They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together. A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'. They just have more strength. I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties. t */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz.. LOL Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
LOL yeah I have a min pin mix that will bite a stranger and draw blood in a quick ness. I was raised with Dobes and don't believe there is much difference in the disposition. Males should be neutered as early as possible, that helps a lot with aggression
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house. The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address. As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down. He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her. I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again. But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) Beth Original message from Catatonya: I can't take the test either. The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit. But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!) There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't. He has 5 rescued pits. They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together. A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'. They just have more strength. I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz.. LOL Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house. The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address. As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down. He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her. I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again. But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) Beth
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
I can't take the test either. The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit. But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!) There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't. He has 5 rescued pits. They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together. A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'. They just have more strength. I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz.. LOL Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Don't be so sure wendy. Everyone I showed pics of the dog I found said 'pit', but then the vet and pit rescue said he was NOT a pit. Does this dog act aggressive toward your other dogs? Does he chase the cats? twendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. Shemight be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull.:)Wendy--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi Wendy,> I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and> sleeping soundly. I > do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so> tough sometimes. > > Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on> Pits. (Congratulations > on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know> me well enough to > understand how it pains me to generalize about any> breed, but Pits have > the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of> of lovable ones, but > they have to be well trained and adhere to a> different kind of > interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't> specialize in > aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag> their entire bodies > when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast> when matched with an > owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their> behavior sufficiently. > Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this> is a breed that is > known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her> history, you'll need > to stay alert and help her understand that you are> capable of making > decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are> you absolutely sure > that she's Pit x and not something else? Perhaps> Boxer, or Lab? I much > prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home> with no children > situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I> would contact the Pit > Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing> to help you place > this girl. It's a good sign that she's not> immediately fence fighting > with your other dogs, but it could just be because> she's worn out and is > waiting to feel out the situation. > > I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing> sudden aggression, I wish > I could remember the details involved, you can> probably Google it and > find out more.> > She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful> and think carefully > about making a long-term commitment to her. You may> just be meant to be > the "go-between" in finding her true forever home. > Good luck sweetie > and thank you for helping her.> Nina> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Phaewryn and all,> > Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit> rescue for 20 some > > years.> > I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from> weaning till 4 1/2 years > > and she "turned" or developed sudden rage. A> beloved indoor family > > fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months.> > I also have a foster who was attacked by her own> pit with injuries > > including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog> with sudden rage > > syndrome.> > Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit> completely. They > > were born and bred to kill and that is what they> do best.> > My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby> kittens,. then started > > chewing up pups.> > When you get yours checked please include a test> for lyme and > > thyroid.another major cause of aggression in> pits and other breeds > > of dogs.> > A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience> and RESPECT.> > I have only read a few of these emails we had> petco adoptions all > > weekend but good luck with the pit.> > BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY> WHO WILL HAVE A FIV > > BUDDY TO HANG WITH.> > KAREN> Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)
Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
Hey Karen, Thanks! I would love that. Do you think she will want to come look at her interact with our dogs, or do you think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville? I am in Rockwall. Thanks! Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wendy, > Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some > reliable person in lewisville > who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure > what she charges but she > gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had > my pit. She will not sugar > coat anything let me know. > Karen > Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
Wendy, Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some reliable person in lewisville who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure what she charges but she gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had my pit. She will not sugar coat anything let me know. Karen
RE: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
You can also try Leah at Spindletop http://www.spindletoppitbullrefuge.org/ They're somewhere around Houston Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: To Nina Re: my experience with pits. Hey Nina, I sent emails to the only two pit bull shelters in Texas. The first person I heard back from today. He's booked, but he's in Kingsville, which is like 8 hours from Dallas, so that's ok. He was very nice. The other person is in Gun Barrell City, not too far from here, and I am hoping to hear back from her today. She has 8 pits in her shelter, and one of them has been there three years! Poor thing! I am hoping she will know someone closer to where I live that might be willing to come over and observe her. I will definitely not be turning her over to a regular shelter, don't worry. I can't tell what she might be mixed with, if anything. I am hoping my vet can tell me. I was really wishing I had your phone number yesterday when we were trying to evaluate whether to take her with us or not, because I know you do dog rescue as well. We are considering keeping her if she and the other dogs can get along. So far so good. We are also considering building a separate enclosure for her while we are gone at work during the day. :) Wendy Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)
OT: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
Hey Nina, I sent emails to the only two pit bull shelters in Texas. The first person I heard back from today. He's booked, but he's in Kingsville, which is like 8 hours from Dallas, so that's ok. He was very nice. The other person is in Gun Barrell City, not too far from here, and I am hoping to hear back from her today. She has 8 pits in her shelter, and one of them has been there three years! Poor thing! I am hoping she will know someone closer to where I live that might be willing to come over and observe her. I will definitely not be turning her over to a regular shelter, don't worry. I can't tell what she might be mixed with, if anything. I am hoping my vet can tell me. I was really wishing I had your phone number yesterday when we were trying to evaluate whether to take her with us or not, because I know you do dog rescue as well. We are considering keeping her if she and the other dogs can get along. So far so good. We are also considering building a separate enclosure for her while we are gone at work during the day. :) Wendy Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Well to me they are foreign or "designer" names for pitbulls. I am familiar with most of them but still cant tell the difference
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
it took us ten or more tries to get the right answer! that test is unfair though...who the heck ever heard of a corso or dogo or whatever some of those names are?!!! ;) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so > well on the quiz.. > LOL > Karen > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com)
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Me neither, but I'd seen it before, and failed it... so that's why I posted it, because I know it's really hard to tell a pit "for sure". Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz.. LOL Karen
Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
Absolutely sure? Check out this webpage: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html (I think most people will be shocked by the results if they take the quiz) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....
P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. She might be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Wendy, > I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and > sleeping soundly. I > do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so > tough sometimes. > > Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on > Pits. (Congratulations > on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know > me well enough to > understand how it pains me to generalize about any > breed, but Pits have > the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of > of lovable ones, but > they have to be well trained and adhere to a > different kind of > interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't > specialize in > aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag > their entire bodies > when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast > when matched with an > owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their > behavior sufficiently. > Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this > is a breed that is > known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her > history, you'll need > to stay alert and help her understand that you are > capable of making > decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are > you absolutely sure > that she's Pit x and not something else? Perhaps > Boxer, or Lab? I much > prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home > with no children > situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I > would contact the Pit > Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing > to help you place > this girl. It's a good sign that she's not > immediately fence fighting > with your other dogs, but it could just be because > she's worn out and is > waiting to feel out the situation. > > I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing > sudden aggression, I wish > I could remember the details involved, you can > probably Google it and > find out more. > > She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful > and think carefully > about making a long-term commitment to her. You may > just be meant to be > the "go-between" in finding her true forever home. > Good luck sweetie > and thank you for helping her. > Nina > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Phaewryn and all, > > Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit > rescue for 20 some > > years. > > I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from > weaning till 4 1/2 years > > and she "turned" or developed sudden rage. A > beloved indoor family > > fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months. > > I also have a foster who was attacked by her own > pit with injuries > > including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog > with sudden rage > > syndrome. > > Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit > completely. They > > were born and bred to kill and that is what they > do best. > > My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby > kittens,. then started > > chewing up pups. > > When you get yours checked please include a test > for lyme and > > thyroid.another major cause of aggression in > pits and other breeds > > of dogs. > > A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience > and RESPECT. > > I have only read a few of these emails we had > petco adoptions all > > weekend but good luck with the pit. > > BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY > WHO WILL HAVE A FIV > > BUDDY TO HANG WITH. > > KAREN > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)
To Sheila: Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Hey Sheila, Thanks for replying. I hope your husband is doing well. Don't feel too badly about not picking up that dog. It might not have been for you to do so, but for someone else who might have been ten minutes behind you. Sometimes it's just the way things are supposed to be. Out of the four dogs we saw on the road today, this is the one we ended up picking up (not that we were looking for a dog!) Did you and your husband own any other dogs when you owned your pit bull? This dog is so sweet. Someone would be lucky to have her, but I agree with Nina; it should probably be someone without children, and my husband and I are planning on having kids very soon, God willing. I am so sorry you lost your beloved dog. He sounds like he was part of the family! :) Wendy Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Wendy, God bless you and your husband. I want to cry every time I hear of someone taking pity on these poor babies. I was taking my husband to the hospital last week on the Interstate and about mid way of a 20 mile desolate stretch we saw something in the medium ( we thought was a tire recap) as we were passing We saw it was a black dog that someone had dumped .There were no houses or stores within miles. I took my husband to the VA hospital for an appointment we couldn't reschedule - took at least an hour - before we could get back to the place where we saw the dog. He was not there we looked for him both sides of the Interstate for 2 hrs. I just pray that some kind hearted person saw him and stopped in time to save him. I have not had a day go by that I don't regret not stopping and getting that baby when we first saw him. His little face still haunts me. So thank you for doing what I wish I had done. By the way I had a pit bull 12 years I raised from a baby . He was the sweetest loving dog I have ever owned. Never bit anyone and never seemed to have a bad day. He died of heart disease in my husbands arms. I hope you will all be happy together. Gratefully, Sheila
Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Thanks... I advised someone on the Bengal Rescue Network yahoogroup to join here for advice (she thinks her cat may have cancer, and needs help reading the CBC panel)... and anyways, I thought well, if she joins, it would be nice if I was here for her! Things are settled down here pretty well (with my son). I made Zack his winter house today... put plastic up on the porch for a wind-break. Working on a new feral cat flyer to post around town for winterizing tips. You know, same ole, same ole! :) Glad to be back! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Thanks Phaewryn-I will add that test to the list of things to do at the vet! Glad to have you back! :) Wendy --- Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, Pits are awesome dogs, I've known a few of > them. It's all about how they are raised. Other than > a good vet exam, and deworming, dogs, even extremely > emaciated ones, generally do great with just food > and care. They aren't like cats in that they don't > get fatty liver from starvation. You'll want to get > a heartworm test right away too, the sooner you > treat, the better the chances. > > Phaewryn > > Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! > http://ucat.us/adopt.html > Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency > Financial Assistance for cat owners: > http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html > Special Needs Cat Resources: > http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html > The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html > Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html> No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - > Release Date: 10/27/2006 > > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited (http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited)
RE: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Thanks Diane! She's sleeping like a baby right now. --- Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just seconding Elizabeth's thank you! This girlie > is lucky she found you > two. > > Diane R. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:22 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to > Nina or anyone else with > experience re... > > > Wendy, > What a wonderful thing you did! I never knew how > truly beautiful a pit > bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog. I wish > I were more > knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted > to thank you for doing > such a noble thing. > > love, > elizabeth > > In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central > Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi guys, > > My husband and I were driving out in the country > this > afternoon on our way home from visiting my > grandfather > who just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white > Pit > Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) > walking down > the side of a fairly busy road. It was very > emaciated > and looked like it was scavenging for food. We > discussed it and turned around to check on the > dog. > We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it > and it > wagged it's tail but cowered. I got out of the > car > and went over to the dog slowly, and she just > laid > down and rolled over. She was clearly starving, > and > not in great shape. She also looked like she > had been > nursing puppies, although I can't tell how long. > We > couldn't find any puppies nearby. We decided to > take > the dog home with us. We figured that even if > she did > have puppies, she couldn't take care of them if > she > gets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ > mph, > or if she starves to death. Although I'm sad we > had > to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel > like > we made the right decision. We stopped by > Walmart and > bought wet food and water and dishes and fed her > on > the trip and she's now home with us. We may or > may > not keep her. My husband has always wanted a > pit > bull; he thinks they are beautiful. But we > already > have two dogs, and I don't know how they'll > accept > her. She's completely docile, but one of ours > may > give her trouble. So far so good; our two are > in the > dog run right now and aren't growling at her. I > am > going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue > here > in Dallas. If we don't keep her, I don't want > to > adopt her out myself or turn her over to any > shelter > because of her breed. I don't want someone to > adopt > her just to try to breed her or fight her. She > looks > and acts as if she's already been treated badly > enough. We are going to take her to the vet and > have > her checked out, probably wormed, and given a > pill to > dry up her milk. Does anyone have any advice as > to > how we should care for her? Anything else we > can do > for her? > > Thanks, > Wendy > > > If you have men who will exclude any of God's > creatures from the shelter > of compassion and pity, you will have men who will > deal likewise with their > fellow man. ~St. Francis > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Yep, Pits are awesome dogs, I've known a few of them. It's all about how they are raised. Other than a good vet exam, and deworming, dogs, even extremely emaciated ones, generally do great with just food and care. They aren't like cats in that they don't get fatty liver from starvation. You'll want to get a heartworm test right away too, the sooner you treat, the better the chances. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
RE: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...
Just seconding Elizabeth's thank you! This girlie is lucky she found you two. Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:22 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re... Wendy, What a wonderful thing you did! I never knew how truly beautiful a pit bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog. I wish I were more knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for doing such a noble thing. love, elizabeth In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys,My husband and I were driving out in the country thisafternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfatherwho just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white PitBull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) walking downthe side of a fairly busy road. It was very emaciatedand looked like it was scavenging for food. Wediscussed it and turned around to check on the dog. We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it and itwagged it's tail but cowered. I got out of the carand went over to the dog slowly, and she just laiddown and rolled over. She was clearly starving, andnot in great shape. She also looked like she had beennursing puppies, although I can't tell how long. Wecouldn't find any puppies nearby. We decided to takethe dog home with us. We figured that even if she didhave puppies, she couldn't take care of them if shegets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ mph,or if she starves to death. Although I'm sad we hadto leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel likewe made the right decision. We stopped by Walmart andbought wet food and water and dishes and fed her onthe trip and she's now home with us. We may or maynot keep her. My husband has always wanted a pitbull; he thinks they are beautiful. But we alreadyhave two dogs, and I don't know how they'll accepther. She's completely docile, but one of ours maygive her trouble. So far so good; our two are in thedog run right now and aren't growling at her. I amgoing to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue herein Dallas. If we don't keep her, I don't want toadopt her out myself or turn her over to any shelterbecause of her breed. I don't want someone to adopther just to try to breed her or fight her. She looksand acts as if she's already been treated badlyenough. We are going to take her to the vet and haveher checked out, probably wormed, and given a pill todry up her milk. Does anyone have any advice as tohow we should care for her? Anything else we can dofor her?Thanks,Wendy If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
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Thanks Elizabeth. I really have to give the credit to my husband. He's the one who suggested that we might need to check on her. He loves dogs. She's lucky he took an interest in her. We passed at least three more dogs on our two hour drive home, walking down different roads. It's so sad that people don't take care of their animals. This poor sweet puppy deserves so much better. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Wendy, > What a wonderful thing you did! I never knew how > truly beautiful a pit bull > could be until I met my neighbor's dog. I wish I > were more knowledgeable so > I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for > doing such a noble thing. > > love, > elizabeth > > In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central > Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hi guys, > > My husband and I were driving out in the country > this > afternoon on our way home from visiting my > grandfather > who just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white > Pit > Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) walking > down > the side of a fairly busy road. It was very > emaciated > and looked like it was scavenging for food. We > discussed it and turned around to check on the dog. > > We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it and > it > wagged it's tail but cowered. I got out of the car > and went over to the dog slowly, and she just laid > down and rolled over. She was clearly starving, > and > not in great shape. She also looked like she had > been > nursing puppies, although I can't tell how long. > We > couldn't find any puppies nearby. We decided to > take > the dog home with us. We figured that even if she > did > have puppies, she couldn't take care of them if she > gets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ > mph, > or if she starves to death. Although I'm sad we > had > to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel > like > we made the right decision. We stopped by Walmart > and > bought wet food and water and dishes and fed her on > the trip and she's now home with us. We may or may > not keep her. My husband has always wanted a pit > bull; he thinks they are beautiful. But we already > have two dogs, and I don't know how they'll accept > her. She's completely docile, but one of ours may > give her trouble. So far so good; our two are in > the > dog run right now and aren't growling at her. I am > going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue > here > in Dallas. If we don't keep her, I don't want to > adopt her out myself or turn her over to any > shelter > because of her breed. I don't want someone to > adopt > her just to try to breed her or fight her. She > looks > and acts as if she's already been treated badly > enough. We are going to take her to the vet and > have > her checked out, probably wormed, and given a pill > to > dry up her milk. Does anyone have any advice as to > how we should care for her? Anything else we can do > for her? > > Thanks, > Wendy > > > > > > If you have men who will exclude any of God's > creatures from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal > likewise with their > fellow man. ~St. Francis > __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta)
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Wendy, What a wonderful thing you did! I never knew how truly beautiful a pit bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog. I wish I were more knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for doing such a noble thing. love, elizabeth In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys,My husband and I were driving out in the country thisafternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfatherwho just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white PitBull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) walking downthe side of a fairly busy road. It was very emaciatedand looked like it was scavenging for food. Wediscussed it and turned around to check on the dog. We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it and itwagged it's tail but cowered. I got out of the carand went over to the dog slowly, and she just laiddown and rolled over. She was clearly starving, andnot in great shape. She also looked like she had beennursing puppies, although I can't tell how long. Wecouldn't find any puppies nearby. We decided to takethe dog home with us. We figured that even if she didhave puppies, she couldn't take care of them if shegets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ mph,or if she starves to death. Although I'm sad we hadto leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel likewe made the right decision. We stopped by Walmart andbought wet food and water and dishes and fed her onthe trip and she's now home with us. We may or maynot keep her. My husband has always wanted a pitbull; he thinks they are beautiful. But we alreadyhave two dogs, and I don't know how they'll accepther. She's completely docile, but one of ours maygive her trouble. So far so good; our two are in thedog run right now and aren't growling at her. I amgoing to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue herein Dallas. If we don't keep her, I don't want toadopt her out myself or turn her over to any shelterbecause of her breed. I don't want someone to adopther just to try to breed her or fight her. She looksand acts as if she's already been treated badlyenough. We are going to take her to the vet and haveher checked out, probably wormed, and given a pill todry up her milk. Does anyone have any advice as tohow we should care for her? Anything else we can dofor her?Thanks,Wendy If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience rescuing dogs
Hi guys, My husband and I were driving out in the country this afternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfather who just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white Pit Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) walking down the side of a fairly busy road. It was very emaciated and looked like it was scavenging for food. We discussed it and turned around to check on the dog. We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it and it wagged it's tail but cowered. I got out of the car and went over to the dog slowly, and she just laid down and rolled over. She was clearly starving, and not in great shape. She also looked like she had been nursing puppies, although I can't tell how long. We couldn't find any puppies nearby. We decided to take the dog home with us. We figured that even if she did have puppies, she couldn't take care of them if she gets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ mph, or if she starves to death. Although I'm sad we had to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel like we made the right decision. We stopped by Walmart and bought wet food and water and dishes and fed her on the trip and she's now home with us. We may or may not keep her. My husband has always wanted a pit bull; he thinks they are beautiful. But we already have two dogs, and I don't know how they'll accept her. She's completely docile, but one of ours may give her trouble. So far so good; our two are in the dog run right now and aren't growling at her. I am going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue here in Dallas. If we don't keep her, I don't want to adopt her out myself or turn her over to any shelter because of her breed. I don't want someone to adopt her just to try to breed her or fight her. She looks and acts as if she's already been treated badly enough. We are going to take her to the vet and have her checked out, probably wormed, and given a pill to dry up her milk. Does anyone have any advice as to how we should care for her? Anything else we can do for her? Thanks, Wendy Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
Terry, his pulling away is no refection on his love for you, or even if he's "happy". Sometimes they just need to distance themselves from those of us still firmly connected to the earth plane. He's spending time in and out of his body and it may just be that the touch of his loved ones brings him back to awareness, when he's spending time adjusting to being "out of body". Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: */Thank you/* */Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me sometimes./* *//* */The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it./* */There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work./* */He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. /* */That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. /* */When in general he is a happy kitty./* *//* In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is so beautiful and true Nina. Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family. I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times. Maybe so you would see it? I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you. Gina *//* */Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com//**/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ /*
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote: If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot. that is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is very painful, When my angel was in pain I made that awful decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I gave her Buprenex to get through the night, It is very painful, The next morning very early we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she got there, If you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,, It was so hard as it cam on so quickly. Kelly Thank you Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me sometimes. The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it. There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work. He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. When in general he is a happy kitty. In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is so beautiful and true Nina. Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family. I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times. Maybe so you would see it? I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you. Gina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.13/500 - Release Date: 10/26/2006
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
Thank you Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me sometimes. The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it. There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work. He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. When in general he is a happy kitty. In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is so beautiful and true Nina. Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family. I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times. Maybe so you would see it? I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you. Gina Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
That is so beautiful and true Nina. Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family. I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times. Maybe so you would see it? I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you. Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can barely see the computer typing this to you. In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:17:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie,It's so sweet that Vinnie and Buggy are sitting vigil with you and Dukee. What a lovely family you have. I know it sometimes helps ease the pain, just a little, to talk to my loved one about all the Angels and friends that are hovering near, waiting anxiously to greet them. I talk about the joy and celebration that awaits, how soon there will be no more pain, no more discomfort, no more fear. How soon they will leave their beautiful body behind, to venture on an incredible adventure. I tell them how much their earth bound family will miss them, but how they won't miss us. They won't miss us because we will always be connected, because we will love each other forever, and even though I'll only be able to see them in my dreams and memories, they'll be able to see me whenever they like. I close my eyes and "see" them whole and free, chasing butterflies with my loved ones that have already passed. I ask them to see it with me, to know that they are going to a beautiful place full of loving friends. I talk about the first time I laid eyes on them, favorite memories, about how those moments will exist in my heart and keep me company until we can be together again. Of course all this is said through a flood of tears, but still, it brings a smile of comfort to my face, because I believe in my heart that all this is true.Nina Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
I've asked St. Francis, Jazzy and Spencer to sit vigil with your family, to comfort all of you and to be there to greet Dukee when his time comes. Much love my dear, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can barely see the computer typing this to you.
Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina
Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can barely see the computer typing this to you. In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:17:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie,It's so sweet that Vinnie and Buggy are sitting vigil with you and Dukee. What a lovely family you have. I know it sometimes helps ease the pain, just a little, to talk to my loved one about all the Angels and friends that are hovering near, waiting anxiously to greet them. I talk about the joy and celebration that awaits, how soon there will be no more pain, no more discomfort, no more fear. How soon they will leave their beautiful body behind, to venture on an incredible adventure. I tell them how much their earth bound family will miss them, but how they won't miss us. They won't miss us because we will always be connected, because we will love each other forever, and even though I'll only be able to see them in my dreams and memories, they'll be able to see me whenever they like. I close my eyes and "see" them whole and free, chasing butterflies with my loved ones that have already passed. I ask them to see it with me, to know that they are going to a beautiful place full of loving friends. I talk about the first time I laid eyes on them, favorite memories, about how those moments will exist in my heart and keep me company until we can be together again. Of course all this is said through a flood of tears, but still, it brings a smile of comfort to my face, because I believe in my heart that all this is true.Nina Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: To Nina Re: What I learned
Hi! It's funny how replying to an email from Friday can seem like you're replying to an email from a year ago It' actually the floor of the passenger side that is the effected area - seats are fine. The adjuster came and took pictures and looked into quotes for getting the whole carpet replaced, not even just the two square foot section that's effected. He said that whatever the estimates came to over the $500 deductible, he's just send me a check for, but it didn't mean that I'd have to replace them. I kept my fingers crossed, but the sum total was $447 - so no insurance money and there wasn't any other damage. Car insurance doesn't cover what's in the vehicle, just the car itself. Renter's insurance covers what stolen from the car, but again, there's a $500 deductible, and I came close, but no cigar. Ah well, next time. (NOT!) Leslie From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: To Leslie Re: What I learned To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Why don't you think about replacing the whole seat? You might be ableto find one in a junk yard that's in good shape. Shouldn't yourinsurance cover this? It is damage inflicted during the theft.N
To Nina: Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS
Hi Nina, I just read your posts about Spencer. I am so sorry to hear that you had to let him go. He sounds like such a miraculous kitty, the way he reached out to you before he passed on. It sounds to me like he was trying to comfort you before he left. Bless you for doing all the wonderful small things to make Spencer's last days here as happy as possible. I just know he loved going outside that last time. Again, I am so sorry you had to let him go. Bless you for doing it. He's free now. Prayers and blessings going out to you, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS -- Nina
My heart breaks for you. We all have gone through losing that very special one, but you still have those beautiful memories. Thank you so much for sharing Spencer with us. Sheila
Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS -- Nina
Nina, I am so sorry to hear about spencer, I think everyone has cried when reading this. This is so heartbreaking, once again very sorry to hear about precious spencer. My prayers are with you. Lori
Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS -- Nina
Nina, I cried after reading about your last moments with Spencer. It is a blessing knowing you and the others on this list and being able to share in your lives. I would like to see Spencer's picture if you would send it to me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gina Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Belinda and All,I'm so sad and numb this morning. So completely worn out, I know you all understand how I'm feeling. Spencer had been so weak yesterday, but still so attentive and loving, what an incredible spirit this boy has. The vet was late, (I'm so glad he was), and I had been laying next to Spencer on our bed, keeping him company while we waited. He lifted his head and tried to move, but he just couldn't get his once magnificent body to work. I decided to bring him out front. He used to love going out with his dogs every morning to get the paper and I thought he might enjoy going out one more time. I was right. Unbelievably, he rallied and was actually able to stumble to his favorite spot under my Jeep parked in the driveway. He even drank from the feral's water bowl. I couldn't stand seeing him on the uncomfortable cement any longer and put him on his bed and we sat and quietly watched the neighborhood comings and goings from the front steps.I had just brought him back inside when I saw my vet approaching up the front walk. Heaven help me, but I wanted to scream, NO! NOT YET! Of course, it was time to finally say goodbye.Do you still do tributes with their pictures? I'm going to send you his picture off-list to include in case you do. Bless it, this was a hard one, (but then I guess there just aren't any easy ones, are there?).I want to express my gratitude once again to this incredible list of caring people. I went through such contortions dealing with Spencer's illness and decline. I don't know how I would have coped without your support and prayers.Much love as always,NinaVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: To Nina: Re: Hello Everyone, a not so brief update
Thanks Wendy, I appreciate your prayers for my continued sanity and the well being for everyone in the house. One day at a time, one foot in front of the other... Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, How are you doing today? I am trying to get caught up on my email. It's so hard to keep up with it if you miss a day or two, you know? Duh, of course you know! lol I was really sorry to hear about little Spencer, and his slow decline. It is SO hard to watch that. I went through it with Cricket, and it broke my heart every day to see him like that. I felt so damn helpless. I loved your story about how he reached his paw out and touched your face. How sweet!!! I will definitely say prayers for Matilda and Starman and the rest of your clan, as well as Spencer, that all remains peaceful, if not well, in your home. I will also pray for strength and wisdom for you and Bruce. Take care Nina! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Nina: Re: Hello Everyone, a not so brief update
Hey Nina, How are you doing today? I am trying to get caught up on my email. It's so hard to keep up with it if you miss a day or two, you know? Duh, of course you know! lol I was really sorry to hear about little Spencer, and his slow decline. It is SO hard to watch that. I went through it with Cricket, and it broke my heart every day to see him like that. I felt so damn helpless. I loved your story about how he reached his paw out and touched your face. How sweet!!! I will definitely say prayers for Matilda and Starman and the rest of your clan, as well as Spencer, that all remains peaceful, if not well, in your home. I will also pray for strength and wisdom for you and Bruce. Take care Nina! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Nina - problem with on line access
She just wanted to let everyone know.. she will have her DSL line repaired on Tuesday..
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Belinda, We have had so many horrible experiences at the vet since Mio got sick in June, that I am a little hesitant to officially recommend my new vet until we have more experience with her. Our new vet is Elizabeth Johnson @ The cat clinic of Seattle ( in Wallingford). So far she has been Great. Mio was super grumpy when we went and Elizabeth handled her very well, plus the vet techs were very experienced and gentle and no one got scratched or bitten (with Mio that is quite an achievement, there is nothing she hates more than having her temp taking when she already feels crummy). Elizabeth is very willing to acommodate my suggestions, and research supplements and medications for me. We also had a good experience at Four Paws Veterinary Center. I believe the vets name was Erin. She was really good to Mio, very reasonable priced and offered to do a FeLV test on my other cat without doing an exam (he is asymptomatic). She has also been great with my mothers dog. She has virtually no experience with FeLV, but was very willing to find the best ways to take care of the furkids at the lowest cost. I decided to switch to a vet with more FeLV experience, which was a disaster, but I still think of her as my back up vet. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the bad vets, so I'll leave them out, but they were really attrocious. One offered to PTS my assymptomatic FeLV cat (Oscar), not having read enough of our file to know that I had Mio sick as a dog at home, and then prescribed the wrong dosage of antibiotics! The other one sent us home with absoluteyl no info on how to care for Mio, who at the time had a 106 degree fever! Thank goodness I found this group. I don't think I would ever have learned to question the word of a vet if it weren't for reading about all of your experiences. Do you know of any other vets in the area? I don't understand how in a city this big there could be so few vets with FeLV experience. I hope you all are well, and am praying for your strength and the health of all the furkids. Kiley From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ordering interferon- Nina Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:59:58 -0700 Hi Kiley, I'm in Sumner, can I ask who your vet in Seattle is?? I have a great vet too but it's always good to know others in my area. Maybe when you have a minute you could list them on the Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP list in the <http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_sub&category_id=113&website=default&session=45057a0d7d6e36d5>FeLV/FIV/FIP+ Friendly Vets. <http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_sub&category_id=113&website=default&session=45057a0d7d6e36d5> section? <http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_sub&category_id=113&website=default&session=45057a0d7d6e36d5> -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Hi Kiley, I'm in Sumner, can I ask who your vet in Seattle is?? I have a great vet too but it's always good to know others in my area. Maybe when you have a minute you could list them on the Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP list in the FeLV/FIV/FIP+ Friendly Vets. section? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Thank you for the suggestion! My vet was the one who told me to go to Island Pharmacy, and was unwilling to dilute it herself. We switched vets, and so far the new vet is great. She doesn't know a lot about FeLV, but she has done tons of research for me, consulted other vets, and her clinic gave us Interferon for under $10! She's my fourth vet in 3 months, so I'm not willing to swear by her yet, but so far she's the best I've found in Seattle. Thanks again Kiley From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Ordering interferon- Nina Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:44:33 -0400 Get your own vet to make up a batch for you. All they have to do is order one vial of the actual human drug InterferonAlpha, and then dilute it to the correct dilution for cats, the instructions are available at the island pharmacy website for other vets to use (or at least they used to be). You should be able to have half prepared to full dilution, and have half stored in deep freeze for future dilution and use. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006
Nina and Spencer
Nina, I didn't get a chance to check my email at all yesterday, or I would have been very happy to see that Spencer had come home! Yea! I know you did not get good news from the vet, but what a blessing that the internist is going to work with you to make Spencer as comfortable as he can be. The one good and bad thing about FeLV is that it can never be predicted, so even though they have told you he only has a matter of weeks or months, no one really knows. He could respond really well to the dex and to the Elspar if you are able to get it, and be around another year or so. We just never know. That's why it's so important not to lose hope with this disease. Again, so happy that Spencer came home for you. That he loves you dearly is unquestionable. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Nina re Spencer
Nina, I am so sorry to hear that Spencer is missing. Have you been able to find him yet? I know you probably feel terrible right now for him. If you go outside and just sit down and talk to him, he's probably so close, he'll be able to hear you. I hope you are able to find him. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have awful news. Spencer has gone missing. It's > completely my fault, > I don't know what I was thinking. I left for > appointments this morning > and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and > cats. I've been > doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very > sick, I know that cats > can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their > own, yet I left the > door open. In the six months that Spencer has been > with us he rarely > goes outside and when he does it's to keep me > company in the yard. > Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a > puppy. I can only fear > the worst. I talked with a couple of ACs and they > said that he was > looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in > very short supply > around this madhouse. I've been combing the bushes > and going through > the neighbor's yards all day. If he's still moving, > if he wants to, I'm > praying that he'll come home. It even went through > my mind to shut him > up before I left this morning, but I didn't think > he'd be moving off his > bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process > this thought, but I > didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. > He's been so good > through his illness. The vets last night kept > commenting about how > sweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him. > > > I just wanted to let you all know. I can't think of > a punishment graver > than not knowing what happened to him. I'm doing my > best to not think > of this in terms of punishment at all, just what is. > It's too late to > close the barn door now. I've gone through the > frantic mode of finding > him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm > feeling really numb. > When I called Bruce at work to tell him, he asked me > why I would want to > have forced him to die in the house with us if > that's not what he > wanted. I could only come up with selfish answers > for that one. The > hardest part of all this is that I may never know. > I'm still praying > that he walks in the door. > > Feeling repentant and very very sad, > Nina > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections
Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Bruce's hand. It's doing better now, but it was very scary for a while there. I do hope everyone knows about the dangers and how quickly things can become serious with cat bite infections. I wouldn't have thought about a puncture wound from the spine of a cactus doing the same thing, but that makes sense. It's the same kind of "injection" of bacteria deep into the flesh as a cat bite. I'm glad to hear your Mom's recovering. After Bruce was bit we doused it with peroxide, put antibacterial ointment on it and then bandaged it. After the fact, I found out that you shouldn't use ointments, or cover a cat bite because you don't want the outside healing over the inside. I read that soaking it in hot salt water immediately can help, when I asked the urgent care doctor about that, he said it wouldn't hurt, but the only thing that will save you from infection with a serious bite is an abx shot. When I was severely bitten in the past, I went immediately to the ER and got a Tetanus shot and abx shot, it never got infected. Bruce went to work the next day after he was bitten and by the time he got home and I unwrapped his hand, I knew he was in trouble. It was swollen, red and hot! I took one look at it and knew he needed medical assistance, (it took me 2 hours to convince him; such a male). He's had 5 abx shots over the last week. I have it written down, it's Rocefin (sp?). The nurse told us that this abx use is fairly new, if he had come into the office with his hand looking like that before, they would have sent him to the hospital for IV abx. The doctor said that if he hadn't come in that night the infection would have spread to his elbow by morning. They also put him on oral Augmentin, (mega dose of 4000mg a day). His hand is still swollen, but is getting much better finally. It was touch and go there. The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about the hospital. It's been an ordeal, (he had to take a time off from work, the doctor insisted, (Bruce was saying no to that), it's cost a small fortune, but it could have been much, much worse. From now on, if anyone gets bit around here, we're going for the shot immediately. Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, How is Bruce's hand? I hope he is better. I wanted to give you some scary info. I know you are already stressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling the need to fill you and everyone else in on something my mom is going through right now. I'd rather tell you than wait in case it applies to Bruce. My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand after puncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) which is where the bacteria entered.
Re: OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections
Yes, staph can be dangerous. My father died from a staph infection he got at the hospital while they were trying to treat another illness. I'd take it very seriously.Ginawendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Nina,How is Bruce's hand? I hope he is better. I wantedto give you some scary info. I know you are alreadystressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling theneed to fill you and everyone else in on something mymom is going through right now. I'd rather tell youthan wait in case it applies to Bruce. My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand afterpuncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) whichis where the bacteria entered. The bacteria probablydid not come from the cactus, but we don't know forsure. It got REALLY bad, and ate away a huge chunk ofskin between her thumb and index finger before theywere able to stop it with a change in antibiotics. Several layers are gone; about a half inch worth. Herdoc said that this staph is everywhere in theenvironment; I think it's called msma staph, but Icould be wrong. It's a very resistant strain andresponds to a specific abx. I also know a woman whodied from it two years ago in Houston. I worked withher. She had two young children. I am not trying toscare you; just wanted to tell you that what we allthink could be harmless can actually be really scary! And also, so that in case you guys were waiting to seethe doc, to go ahead and go. My mom had to visit aplastic surgeon, but he thinks the wound will fill inquite nicely now that she's healing. I hope Bruce isdoing better. And I hope I haven't upset you with theinfo. Please keep me posted. :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please visit my Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page are my merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales. I am going to donate 100% of the proceeds to animal welfare organizations. This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections
Hey Nina, How is Bruce's hand? I hope he is better. I wanted to give you some scary info. I know you are already stressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling the need to fill you and everyone else in on something my mom is going through right now. I'd rather tell you than wait in case it applies to Bruce. My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand after puncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) which is where the bacteria entered. The bacteria probably did not come from the cactus, but we don't know for sure. It got REALLY bad, and ate away a huge chunk of skin between her thumb and index finger before they were able to stop it with a change in antibiotics. Several layers are gone; about a half inch worth. Her doc said that this staph is everywhere in the environment; I think it's called msma staph, but I could be wrong. It's a very resistant strain and responds to a specific abx. I also know a woman who died from it two years ago in Houston. I worked with her. She had two young children. I am not trying to scare you; just wanted to tell you that what we all think could be harmless can actually be really scary! And also, so that in case you guys were waiting to see the doc, to go ahead and go. My mom had to visit a plastic surgeon, but he thinks the wound will fill in quite nicely now that she's healing. I hope Bruce is doing better. And I hope I haven't upset you with the info. Please keep me posted. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Nina
Aw Karen, I'm glad you know that you are not alone. We do all understand, knowing that helps when we're in such pain, but grieving is something that we each have to do in our own way, in our own time. Many blessings to you. I know right now it seems the hole in your heart will never be healed. It helps me to send love to the pain and to sooth my sorrow with the knowledge that I was there for them, that we touched each other's life in a way no one else could. Angel loves you and appreciates all your efforts and care. She's cocking her little head at your sorrow and wishing she could put her paw on your face to let you know she's safe, happy and healthy now. Be open to a sign from her, it will come. Nina kandbz_ mom wrote: I really enjoyed your story and pictures of Molly and Flash. They were young sweeties also, so you know how I'm feeling right now. Thanks, Karen How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com>
