Re: [Finale] Help with font problem
Hi Christopher, On Aug 30, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: When you say strange articulation symbols in your original message, do you mean that they are NOT from the Articulations font at all, or that they ARE from the Articulations font, but just the wrong characters? They are not from the articulations font. I have an inkling that it is the former that you are seeing. All you have to do is run Data CheckCompare Document Fonts Against System Fonts and make sure you replace the greyed out Articulations font (that you removed) with the one that you installed. Probably the font that Nick sent you doesn't look to Finale like it is exactly the same font that you created the document with, even though it appears to have the same name, and so Finale thinks that the font doesn't exist and substitutes Courier. I haven't tried this - I must say it does scare me a little, but I will try it. I think Swap Fonts will accomplish the same thing, too. If you discover that you ABSOLUTELY need to have both the old and new Articulations fonts, then maybe renaming the new one to ArticulationsB will solve it, as it will peacefully coexist with the original one and you can choose it for the new glyph whenever you need it. That sounds eminently sensible. I'll try the check fonts thing. Thanks, Chuck Though maybe that won't work, as fonts are a mystical and dark subject, with many things that do not work as expected... Christopher On 30-Aug-07, at 11:29 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, Never mind - fixed the problem in existing files by finding the original version of the font that I had installed and re-installed that. Now the question is: how to get the new symbol into the existing font library without messing everything up? Ideas? Chuck On Aug 30, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, I messed up - I know. Nick Carter kindly sent me a new version of Bill Duncan's Articulation font - with an extra symbol I had asked for, and I thoughtlessly installed it over the one I had - now everything is out of place in my custom font libraries - all documents have strange articulation symbols. My fault entirely - but how best to proceed to repair the damage? TIA, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JABB update for K2
A conversation with Tom Hopkins earlier today confirmed that they are all too well aware of the difficult GUI in the Kontakt player(s). Their time in the last months has been consumed in making the samples work for those of you whose Macs are more recent than mine (Intel people), so that seems to be an example of a company working as it can to keep their software functional after they sell it. Work continues on this problem chez Garritan. That's all I can say. It seems to me that they are on the case. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with font problem
Thanks Erik, I think that's all I have - only the postscript one. At least in my original set up. Chuck On Aug 30, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I remember I had something like happen to my Articulations font, and Bill recommended to only have the Postscript font installed. Not the TrueType one. I probably still have that email in my archives somewhere Chuck Israels wrote: On Aug 30, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: When you say strange articulation symbols in your original message, do you mean that they are NOT from the Articulations font at all, or that they ARE from the Articulations font, but just the wrong characters? I have no document on which to use the Compare fonts thing, since I have returned to almost my former comfortable working state. However, there are a few strange symbols in the library which are Articulation font symbols, but are now misplaced. There are only a few, and no essential ones. Still, it's a headache. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with font problem
Erik, There are 3 things in Fontbook. Artic, Articlations.bmap, and Articulations.suit Which one is which? Do I need all 3? Arghhh! Chuck On Aug 30, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Usually, fonts get installed, I think, in Users/YOURUSERNAME/ Library/Fonts and are available just to that user. But, some programs install the fonts in /Library/Fonts (Like Macintosh HD/ Library/Fonts) which is available to all users. There is an option in Font book, in the preferences, to force the program to install a font in a specific place. And, you can drag fonts from Collections (Like Computer) to a User, and vice versa. I'm sure you already knew all this. Perhaps there were two copies that were different with the same name that was causing the problem? Rather interesting problem.. Chuck Israels wrote: I am in touch with Nick about this now. Nd yes, I meant the Finale Library. I have moved symbols around and deleted some, at my convenience so, if you replace the articulations font in Fontbook (the application that handles fonts on Macs) the root level of the computer cannot know what you've done in Finale. If I'd given this a moment's thought, I could have seen this coming. Experience is a hard teacher; first the test; then the lesson. Anyway, everything is now restored to working order. I re- installed the Articulations font I had originally, and everything is back in place. Now I would like to figure out how to proceed to add the one new symbol Nick has made. Maybe Nick will be able to tell me, or maybe I can figure out how to create it from one of the existing symbols, which is what I think Nick did. It's simply a re-orientation of something that's already there. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Darkness of non-printing items
Hi Dennis, That is controlled in the Preferences/Program Options/Display Colors. You can control the shade and the intensity in a number of ways by choosing the appropriate pallets. Look for Unlinked Items on the lower left of the window. Chuck On Aug 31, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, I'm almost certain I saw an option to change the darkness of the non-printing items on the screen (those with 'show' unchecked), but I can't find it. There's not even an entry for the context-menu 'show' in the manual, and the colors in the index all refer to the main colors dialog box. I'd like to lighten the non-printing items almost to invisibility. Anyone know where this option is? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Tips on no key signature
Modern music folks: I remember discussions of problems writing in no key - none of which I followed carefully (my bad). Now I find myself writing a piece for Saxophone, Trombone and Piano, in which no key is the correct key, and it doesn't make sense for the Soprano Sax part to show up in D major. The non-transposing instruments are no problem, but I'm not sure about the best way of dealing with the saxophone part, and I am looking for suggestions. TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips on no key signature
Hi guys, Thanks to both of you. Chromatic transposition seems the way to go, and there are no chord symbols in this piece, so that problem is avoided. Everything will be written. Chuck On Sep 2, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Eric, Your method #2 (go to Staff attributes, and then unclick the show key signature for the soprano, then use the accidental plugin to have it display the sharps and flats) is not particularly helpful for works-in-progress. It might be okay if you only entered the music once, but if you are composing into Finale, or even working on something that might require revision at some point, not being able to see the correct accidentals until you invoke a plugin is a serious drawback. I don't see how that's preferable to just turning on Chromatic Transposition -- despite its problems, it seems clearly the least bad option. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Sep 2007, at 3:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Ah, but my #2 way doesn't have this problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] inconsistent copying of accidentals
Hi all, I am finding inconsistent copying behavior (2k8 - Mac) that has not occurred in earlier versions. Simple copying operations sometimes loses accidentals. I find I need to invoke the Check Accidentals utility regularly in order to avoid missing accidentals. Has anyone else seen this behavior? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Piano notation question
Showing a little ignorance here and looking for advice. I'd like to notate a rolled chord with the rhythms of the roll specified - happens to be a 16th note triplet before the barline landing on the 4th note of the chord on the db with all notes held. Ties to the held notes don't work (except for the last triplet note). I could use slurs as ties, but maybe a slur over the whole figure ending on the db is sufficient to indicate the sustained notes. But this looks a little funny, because the chord shows up with all the notes on the db, and that makes it look like they are re-struck there which, of course, they are not. It seems ridiculously picky to notate the value of each note using voices, or layers, and I may be being overly picky even with this notation. How is this done in piano music. Sorry for my ignorance of this notation convention. All grace notes and no rhythm? What to do to make it work without being overly picky. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano notation question
Thank you Darcy, Dennis and Cecil. Using normal ties adjusted with special tools and hidden accidentals on the final chord seems to look fine. The figure is also notated as a cross staff arrp., and I wasn't sure the real ties would work, but they do. Thanks again. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano notation question
Hi Richard, There are many (maybe most) circumstances in which I would opt for your way of leaving things to the instrumentalist, and I often do. In this instance, the roll is part of the forward motion of the piece, and I want the rhythm I want. Chuck On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: On Sep 3, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: It seems ridiculously picky to notate the value of each note using voices, or layers, and I may be being overly picky even with this notation. How is this done in piano music. No one addressed this part of your question, but as for me--a pianist of 50+ years--I'd say you are indeed being mighty picky. If you want certain, specific rhythms, seems to me you find a place for them within the beat structure of the measures involved. And then you'll get those certain, specific rhythms. What you won't get, though, is the musicality of a roll. An artistic pianist can do those in a way that would almost defy capturing them in notation but which would be musical. That's why there's a need for that rolled-chord symbol in the first place. I guess I don't get what it is you're after that beats the randomness, but artistic randomness, of a rolled chord as played by the pianist. --Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano notation question
I have every reason to believe that the performer of this piece will understand exactly what my notation means. It would be possible to say - Please make this roll rhythmically meaningful. Have it imply clearly the rhythmic arrival of the down beat on the top note. Easy enough, if you are going to be there, and the player is experienced in the things you want. Otherwise we are stuck with the inadequacies of notation, none of which ever completely expresses what's in a played (or spoken) language. Chuck On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:14 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I would hope not -- the measured roll Chuck is talking about is ubiquitous in the contemporary piano literature. If someone's first reaction on encountering a sixteenth tuplet roll is huh?, they are probably not the kind of piano player Chuck wants playing his music in the first place. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Sep 2007, at 12:32 AM, Richard Huggins wrote: Certainly you're right about the possibility of artistic expression of defined rhythms. We'd be in trouble if not. Even if this guy figures out how to do what he wants, I wonder what the pianist will do when he or she gets to that spot. Huh? comes to mind. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale customer support address?
jef, Happened to me a couple of times before I figured out that there was one last page with a final submit question after I had clicked what I thought was the last of those. Navigate through the process again and see if maybe that was the problem. Chuck On Sep 9, 2007, at 5:36 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: is this the right address? http://makemusic.custhelp.com i submitted a couple of questions and don't see them in the my stuff tab, i only see questions i asked before they moved to this new system. and noone has answered, usually i at least get a response suggesting i don't know how to use the programme and should delete my prefs. maybe i am submitting the question wrong? -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2008 hangs
Hi Darcy, I get crashes more often in 2008 than I used to, crashes much more often than hangs, and I think they happen consistently when some computer intensive thing is about to happen at the same time as an Auto-Save is about to kick in - a playback is about to begin, or a Mass Edit thing, but sometimes just trying to enter a note or edit something will catch the program and confuse it. This is only what I conclude from what I am trying to understand from the experience. I don't really know what's going on. I can report that it happens with some regularity, and more often than I can find easily tolerable. I lose 5 minutes of work when it does happen - sometimes that's not much (slowpoke that I can be), but it can be a lot, if I've been moving quickly. Chuck On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, Okay, so another thing I've noticed is that FinMac2008 reliably hangs after being left open for a long period of time -- say, overnight. (You may need to have Garritan instruments loaded for this to happen). Everything appears fine when you return to the computer, but as soon as you try to perform an action, you get the Spinning Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only way out of this hang is to Force Quit, but when you do that, the entire computer hangs for about 30 seconds (with the Spinning Rainbow Wheel of Death in *every* app, and even the dock doesn't pop up on mouseover, etc). I've definitely never seen this in previous versions, although it could be that Fin2008 is merely hanging instead of crashing. (I actually liked the crashing better, since then I could just relaunch and get back to work.) Anyone else observe this? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2008 hangs
Chuck Israels / 07.9.10 / 3:10 PM wrote: I get crashes more often in 2008 than I used to, crashes much more often than hangs, Chuck, when this happens next time, you can send me the crash log privately. I might be able to give a guess. My Hiro! If I can think of it when it does happen, I'll write you and find out how to access the crash log. I don't have Finale GPO installed. I am still hoping GPO Full, JaBB, and Kontakt2 to show up in FinMac2008 but I don't know how to get this done. This weekend I rebuilt my boot volume from the scratch, and I was hoping FinMac2008 installer recognizes installed GPO Full and JaBB but to no avail. This used to work. I will ticket the support. Hiro, Even in my less than technologically enlightened state, I have managed to accomplish this in 2008. Darcy posted a URL with instructions some weeks ago. You must download and install Kontakt 2, which will then recognize full GPO and JABB. As usual, there are new places to look for things, and it took me a while (and a phone call to Tom Hopkins, one of the Garritan developers), but it is all working quite well and smoothly now. The loading of instruments is easier and faster than in the old Kontact player. At your level of experience, I expect the whole change will take less than an hour. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2008 hangs
Hi Hiro, Sorry for the misunderstanding. About the communication with MM through the web system, make sure you go al the way through to the last page and click the final submit question button, (easy to miss) or it doesn't go through. That happened to me twice before I figured out that I wasn't getting responses because they were not getting the questions. Chuck On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:16 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 07.9.10 / 5:27 PM wrote: Even in my less than technologically enlightened state, I have managed to accomplish this in 2008. Darcy posted a URL with instructions some weeks ago. You must download and install Kontakt 2, which will then recognize full GPO and JABB. As usual, there are new places to look for things, and it took me a while (and a phone call to Tom Hopkins, one of the Garritan developers), but it is all working quite well and smoothly now. The loading of instruments is easier and faster than in the old Kontact player. Hi Chuck, thank you so much. Unfortunately we are talking two different things. I don't install Kontakt 2 Player since I have the full version of Kontakt 2. I have been using it with my EWI every gigs. I needed Kontakt 2 because I need to modify to make it playable with EWI, which Kontakt 2 Player doesn't offer. Anyway, The other reason I don't install Kontakt 2 Player is that I need to save space on my MBP2.4 which I use for live gigs. I am running samples from internal disk. I only install samples I need. So, Finale can see Kontakt 2, but there is no Kontakt2instrument.txt exist for me to download. I send the ticket to MM! support. As someone said, I too didn't get confirmation of the ticket. MM! uses RightNow Web support system. I am somewhat familiar with this PHP based system, and I must wonder why confirmation didn't sent to me. Regarding Finale crash log, you can go to Utility Folder Console. Click on Log icon. Expand ~/Library/Logs. Expand CrashReporter. You will find Finale crash log. Scroll down to the bottom. Scroll up till you see: ** Host Name: your computer Copy from there to the bottom and send it to me. If you had so many crashes, the entire log must be quite big so just copy the latest crash block. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] My posts
I'm here - just returned from a nice European tour, but typing with only my left hand as a result of a broken right wrist from a fall on Monday. Not looking for sympathy - just suggesting careful walking in slippery places. Chuck On Oct 13, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: My posts to Finale do not seem to be making it to the list anymore ... is anyone out there? Dean Not me. I'm not anywhere any more. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] My posts
Thx, Dean. 6 weeks or so and I expect to be OK. Chuck On Oct 13, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Damn, Chuck ... that's going to make playing the bass a bit of an adventure. Sorry, Dean On Oct 13, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm here - just returned from a nice European tour, but typing with only my left hand as a result of a broken right wrist from a fall on Monday. Not looking for sympathy - just suggesting careful walking in slippery places. Chuck On Oct 13, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: My posts to Finale do not seem to be making it to the list anymore ... is anyone out there? Dean Not me. I'm not anywhere any more. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Don't worry about the end of the world, it's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Shultz ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users
Hi Tyler, If MM implemented this, it would make it possible for me to consider making use of Simple Entry's advantages. Pitch first is a requirement for my way of thinking/working. Adding those advantages to Speedy would be even better for me. Chuck On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tyler Turner wrote: --- Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering that Simple and Speedy have completely different keymappings, and also differ in whether you choose the pitch or the duration first, I don't understand how this could be accomplished. Perhaps what they meant is that they're looking at keeping the two tools, but adding some of the advanced properties of Simple to Speedy (like being able to add artics from within the tool, easier octave navigation and chord building, etc.). You could add Speedy-style entry to Simple fairly easily. I've done it myself via a scripting language. For MIDI entry I think it makes a lot of sense, especially for composers who want to experiment with pitches before entering them. Tyler __ __ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Leopard
Is it really likely that Finale, as it now exists, will not run on Leopard? Has anyone queried MM on this? TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT Operating systems
On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: The most noticeable difference is the pervasiveness of Spotlight, which I absolutely hate. Me too - but I thought that it was just because I was thick headed about learning it. There are some things about Leopard I believe I will find useful - Spaces the Time Machine backup system that seems as if it will be simple and reliable, as long as you have another HD with sufficient space. I don't think I care all that much about the eye candy. Naaah! I admit, I sometimes like that stuff. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuplets
Ted, Create the first 8th note tuplet (in Speedy Opt/3 then 4), place the cursor back over the 8th note and change it to a quarter (5), then enter the remaining 8th note tuplet. You have to fool Finale, which always takes the first note entered as the tuplet definition. Chuck On Oct 27, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Ted Horman wrote: Greetings all, I'm using FIN 07 on an XP system. I have used Finale for years. I'm stumped. I need to create an eighth note tuplet with the first note being a quarter and the second an eighth. I can make it with the first note an eighth and the second note a quarter but not the other way. I just can't seem to figure it out. Thanks for any help. Ted Finale 2007 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Posting delays
I replied almost immediately to a tuplet question the other day, and it didn't appear for hours. I thought it might have been a problem with my server delaying outgoing mail, but your experience indicates a problem elsewhere. The list server? Chuck On Oct 30, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Anyone noticing significant delays in posting to this list and others? I'm seeing messages arrive from hours and sometimes days ago. Just curious, because it breaks up some of the threads. The post on retrograde tools just arrived a little while ago, about eight hours late. On another list, posts four and five days old are just arriving. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Posting delays
Hi Richard, My response was sent quite soon after the question was posted, but it took some hours to show up on the list. Chuck On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Richard Yates wrote: The recent question about quarter-eighth tuplets received five responses (all with the same answer, by the way! Go team!) within a short time. Mine arrived very soon after I sent it and the others could not have been unduly delayed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:57 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Posting delays I had a message rejected the other day. I don't remember what it was. I just remember getting the bounce message and concluding it wasn't important enough to resend. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 repositioning articulations
Hi Eric, Still works for me. At least if I drag select the ones I want to change. Chuck On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: There used to be a trick that worked in Finale up to 2007, but it doesn't seem to work in 2008 (demo at least). If you wanted to remove any strange placements of articulation positions, you could switch to the articulation tool, and then do a Command-A (Select all), then hit the clear key. That seems not to work in 2008. Ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page turn key command
Jim, David has taken your message to mean that you are looking for a graphic indication of a page turn. If this is the case, the Bill Duncan material that Nick Carter now sells has an elegant VS symbol with an arrow. Very nice. If you mean, is there a keyboard key command to turn the page in page view in Finale? It's command/page up or down on a Mac. (This also works for the next/previous screen in scroll view.) Chuck On Nov 2, 2007, at 12:35 PM, dhbailey wrote: Jim Fischer wrote: Is there a page turn key command for Finale? You could create a V.S. expression easily enough -- there isn't something similar to Sibelius' ability to place an eyeglasses icon or a V.S. marking at the bottom of pages with bad page turns automatically. At least not that I've ever known about. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Some Questions...
On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Richard Smith wrote: 3. Do e-mails and attachments (along with occasional phone calls) make long distance (even international) work practical. I can't answer the other questions, but the answer to this seems to be a resounding yes. Gary Garritan is publishing an interactive arranging book/DVD tha he asked me to write - not sure exactly what form it will take in the end. The layout work was done by an Italian designer, and the realization of the examples in JABB was done by an Italian musician/techno guy (and a good one, at that). The creation of the Flash videos of the scrolling scores (which I engraved in Finale) was done by someone working for Gary - I don't know where, perhaps across Bellingham Bay on Orcas Island, where Gary lives. I never asked. Christopher Smith offered valuable early in the process (by email from Montreal), Larry Dunlap sent corrections from San Francisco and David Berger made contributions and caught mistakes from NY. Amazing. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Some Questions... mail delays
BTW, This took about 36 hours to arrive on the list while a later posting arrived promptly. Go figure! Chuck On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:13 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Richard Smith wrote: 3. Do e-mails and attachments (along with occasional phone calls) make long distance (even international) work practical. I can't answer the other questions, but the answer to this seems to be a resounding yes. Gary Garritan is publishing an interactive arranging book/DVD tha he asked me to write - not sure exactly what form it will take in the end. The layout work was done by an Italian designer, and the realization of the examples in JABB was done by an Italian musician/techno guy (and a good one, at that). The creation of the Flash videos of the scrolling scores (which I engraved in Finale) was done by someone working for Gary - I don't know where, perhaps across Bellingham Bay on Orcas Island, where Gary lives. I never asked. Christopher Smith offered valuable early in the process (by email from Montreal), Larry Dunlap sent corrections from San Francisco and David Berger made contributions and caught mistakes from NY. Amazing. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: OT the book - was [Finale] Some Questions...
Hi David et al, I am happy with the way the project is going. I would not have stopped other activities to take the time to write this, except for Gary's enthusiastic insistence and encouragement (and basic business decency). He is convinced that the interactivity - the examples playing back while the score scrolls on the screen, will be a significant factor in creating interest in the project, which will be a DVD/book or something. We are having some difficulty figuring out the final form. My only regret is that real recordings of most of the examples are not affordable, but then selling JABB as a tool for arranger/composers is part of the raison d'etre of the project. There are a few recorded examples, some from Dave Berger's wonderful arrangements (excerpted from his CDs) and a few piano/vocal things that are from a recording of my fold song arrangements. Some of the JABB things are quite good - well massaged by a gifted musician/ techno guy, who even realized bass parts, some piano parts, and a few improvised solos, all quite well. The important limitations of the samples seem to be in the area of balances and timbral details. It's hard to get a good idea of the richness of the real instrumental sounds and combinations available in the winds. The rhythm section and percussion sounds are among the best things about the samples Gary will have most of the book on line soon, so people can see it and decide if they are interested enough to buy it. At that point, I will welcome comments from all of you smart guys and gals. A lot of the work came pretty easily - this is the stuff I have been thinking about daily for years, but the organization was not so easy. We'll see what your collective reaction might be as soon as Gary puts it where you can see it. Meanwhile, I appreciate the interest from this group of interesting and erudite folks. Chuck On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:31 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Christopher Smith offered valuable early in the process (by email from Montreal), Thanks, man! I guess you read my last message about me grabbing credit... 8-) Christopher But of course you got that recognition from a real human being who cares about sharing the credit where it is due, not some NYTimes reviewer who couldn't be bothered checking facts! Chuck, please let us know as soon as your project is published -- I am sure there are many on this list (count me among them!) who will be eager to buy it! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2008 - forced Measure Numbers
Hi all, Here's some more 2008 woes: Create a score - converted from an earlier document. Create and edit parts, some of which have forced measure numbers. Print the parts en masse (to pdf); open the pdfs - some forced numbers have not printed. Re-open Finale and print each part separately. Forced measure numbers are now in the pdfs. Just some more erratic behavior that MM will probably not acknowledge. I think I may revert to 2007. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate
Maybe you've found Glenn Miller? Maybe there's an echo? I'm out of stupid ideas. Chuck On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:13 PM, keith wrote: Any reason why I'm getting duplicates of Finale posts? The whole Moonlight Serenade mini-thread - twice! Cheers K Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] spacing woes
And beat/note handles often fail to appear when using the measure tool. I don't know if this has to do with showing defined measure numbers or not. I haven't checked it out. Is there another explanation for this? I have also been bitten by the explode music bug - when exploding music that has been enharmonically changed in the original staff, the explosion is not only unreliable enharmonically, but it also loses notes! Vigilance is required. Chuck On Nov 15, 2007, at 5:13 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:45 AM, dc wrote: So there is obviously some dreadful bug induced by the display defined measure numbers option! (Which caused the time signature to change at the real measure number, and not the displayed measure number, though this measure was the only one selected.) Oh yes! I have certainly seen this one many times! In 2007 and 2008, checking display defined measure numbers causes all kinds of problems, especially when you have more than one measure number region, and when you try to go through double- clicking a measure in the Time Sig or Key Sig tools. Strangely, right-clicking in these tools is no problem, but then you can't select a region. Also the Measure tool gives inconsistent results if you try to add double bars when DDMN is checked. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] cautionary accidentals
On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: If you omit a courtesy accidental, and if ever in any rehearsal a musician stops it to ask, what is my note at blah-blah-blah, you should have added the courtesy acci. In a pro orchestra rehearsal that omitted acci could just possibly have cost you hundreds of dollars. I prefer to err on the side of too many than too few. My experience supports this point of view. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] book needed
Hi Christopher, There you go again giving concise, intelligent, informed, and pretty thorough responses. Chuck On Nov 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Nov 21, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings Listers, I need an (elementary) book that explains how to make smooth key changes in compositions. I hope that some of you can recommend a title or two. Hmm, I find the books always go on in great detail about how Beethoven did it, and little else. They also seem to have a great liking for the pivot chord method, which is very smooth, but it is not the only game in town. Maybe they talk about it so much because they have a lot to say about it... Anyway here are my three ways: 1.) Direct. Just leap into the new key with no preparation. Having a common melody note or bass note can take some of the jarring out of it. (Smoke Gets In Your Eyes by Jerome Kern, going into the bridge) Gets more and more common in modern music (well, modern music that is tonal, that is!) Issues relating to key relationships can be dealt with according to the style and era. Basically, anything goes these days. 2.) Tonicisation. Precede the new key with its V or some other equivalent chord(s) in the bar(s) before that indicate a resolution into the new key. This is so easy that there is almost literally nothing more to say about it. Cocktail musicians use this almost exclusively when faking a sequence of tunes that have to sound like a medley. Barry Manilow (over)uses the previous tonic to become the new leading tone when he modulates up a semitone, which is widely considered to be tasteless these days. Sometimes composers/ arrangers try to lead nicely from the previous key into the dominant, which brings us to: 3.) Pivot chord(s). At some point before you get into the new key, there is a chord or two or three that can be construed as being in the old key, or in the new key. This ambiguity is exploited to lead the chord to the new place, rather than back to the old place. Lots of ink spilled on this one. Allen Forte's book Tonal Harmony in Concept and Practice is as good a book as any. I suppose this is what you wanted. It might be more intermediate than advanced, but if somebody is writing modulations, they aren't really at an elementary stage any more, I would say. Hope this helps. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Length of stems in Rhythmic Notation
Staff Styles menu - define staff styles - rhythmic notation - there's a setting for stems. I use - 36 epus for down-stem notation. This does not transfer across documents, so I put it into my templates. I suppose it's saveable in a Staff Style library. I agree, the default is unnecessarily long, and looks unattractive. Chuck On Nov 24, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Raimund Lintzen wrote: Why is the stem length for quarter notes + Rhythmic Notation about plus 20evpu longer? Is there a way to change it globally? Finale 2006 Thanks Raimund Lintzen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] articulation collisions
HI Adam, Look for a combination accent and staccato in one symbol. Most music fonts will have these. Chuck On Nov 24, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Adam Golding wrote: what's the fastest way to stop articulations from colliding? i.e. if I have both accents and staccati on some notes. dragging them all manually is clearly not the way! :p ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vivaldi? No, Locatelli
Jari, I groan an appreciative groan. Regards to you and the family, Chuck On Nov 24, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Barbara Touburg wrote: I meant Locatelli, sorry! No, but I can locateldi in Vivaldi. ;-) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] articulation collisions
They are pretty well defined in Human Playback. Chuck On Nov 24, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Adam Golding wrote: thanks for your helpful responses everyone--chris, by any others you need? do you mean other combined articulation? yeah, well on a first glace it doesn't have stacatissimo+accent for instance or any triple articulations such as mezzo-staccato accent. i know i can add these symbols but now i'm scratching my head as to what will happen to human playback if i start doing that, especially with all the different interpretation styles (playback accuracy is top priority for me here) On 24/11/2007, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Adam Golding wrote: what's the fastest way to stop articulations from colliding? i.e. if I have both accents and staccati on some notes. dragging them all manually is clearly not the way! :p There are many combined articulations in one character, like accent and stacatto, etc. This should save you most of the time. Fermatas are one exception, so I have a second fermata with different default positioning for situations when combined with an accent. Also possible is as SOON as you enter it, it is selected, so you can nudge with arrow keys. If you have to move a bunch at once because you missed them upon entry, select all that need nudging, then hit the arrow key to affect all selected at once. Any others you need? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] articulation collisions
Ah! I didn't know that. So when you mark something with a staccato accent, which do you get in HP? A note to Robert Piechaud might get this improved. I have his email but hesitate to make an end run around MM to ask for this. I assume MM pays him and gives him HP assignments. Chuck On Nov 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: Adam Golding wrote: what's the fastest way to stop articulations from colliding? i.e. if I have both accents and staccati on some notes. dragging them all manually is clearly not the way! :p Chuck Israels wrote: Look for a combination accent and staccato in one symbol. Most music fonts will have these. It is too bad that for playback of both modifications (making the velocity higher and the duration shorter), you still need to put in separate articulations, rather than the combined one. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] accidentals after system break
On Nov 25, 2007, at 1:08 PM, dc wrote: I know it's standard practice to repeat the accidental on a tied note after a page break or a system break. I have rarely seen this, and it makes no sense to me. A tie is a tie - no pitch change, so what's the point in an accidental (unless one is starting an excerpt from that point). But what if the note is repeated once again after that, without a tie. Does it need an accidental in such a case? My opinion is: no accidental on the tied note - but surely an accidental on the note following the note with the tie. Chuck Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Articulations in 10.5
Hi Darcy, Whoa! No 10.5 for me until this is solved. And there are things in Leopard I want (Spaces, Time Machine). Do you think Nick Carter might be able to resolve the problem. Surely we cannot count on MM to do it. Chuck On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, After upgrading to OS X Leopard (10.5) on the weekend, I now discover that Bill Duncan's Articulations font is apparently not compatible with Leopard. The characters show up fine on screen (or at least, most of them do -- some characters display incorrectly when the zoom is 91% or smaller), but they do not print at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Does anyone have a solution? Obviously, this is a huge problem for me, as a significant number of my files use this font. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Articulations in 10.5
Darcy, If I understand this message, it works if installed in the root level font library. Whew! I am still waiting for MM to declare 10.5 compatibility. OT - just got an Apple 30 display. It is a sight for old eyes! Highly recommended (though pricey, for sure). Chuck On Nov 26, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, I figured it out -- for some reason, this font does not work correctly when it is installed just for my user (i.e., in ~/Library/ Fonts). Moving it to Library/Fonts (which is actually where I'd intended to install it in the first place) solved the problem. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Nov 2007, at 12:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, After upgrading to OS X Leopard (10.5) on the weekend, I now discover that Bill Duncan's Articulations font is apparently not compatible with Leopard. The characters show up fine on screen (or at least, most of them do -- some characters display incorrectly when the zoom is 91% or smaller), but they do not print at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Does anyone have a solution? Obviously, this is a huge problem for me, as a significant number of my files use this font. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT 30 Apple monitor
Hi Dean, Nearly $1700 with an academic discount. There are refurbished ones on Apple's site from time to time for a few dollars less, and they sometimes turn up on ebay and usually go for $1400 - 1500. I thought I was just indulging myself, because visitors to my studio admired my 24 Samsung (now looking for a home), and I thought this would just be a luxury. However, like computer speed, it only takes a couple of minutes to get used to the improvement. Not only better size, but also excellent resolution. I am working more quickly as a result. A big band score is visible in full size, and page layout for parts is larger than the printed page. Even seeing the page layout at 100% lets things slip by (on the screen) that you notice in print, but seeing things on the screen at something like 135% improves the chances (considerably) of catching errors before printing. There's lots to recommend this, assuming you have the $. Samsung also makes a 30 for about $1300. I haven't seen it, but I was happy with the 24 until I made the switch. Apple displays may be overpriced for some applications, but design people love them. Chuck On Nov 26, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Damn, what did that set you back Chuck? Dean On Nov 26, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, If I understand this message, it works if installed in the root level font library. Whew! I am still waiting for MM to declare 10.5 compatibility. OT - just got an Apple 30 display. It is a sight for old eyes! Highly recommended (though pricey, for sure). Chuck On Nov 26, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, I figured it out -- for some reason, this font does not work correctly when it is installed just for my user (i.e., in ~/ Library/Fonts). Moving it to Library/Fonts (which is actually where I'd intended to install it in the first place) solved the problem. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Nov 2007, at 12:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, After upgrading to OS X Leopard (10.5) on the weekend, I now discover that Bill Duncan's Articulations font is apparently not compatible with Leopard. The characters show up fine on screen (or at least, most of them do -- some characters display incorrectly when the zoom is 91% or smaller), but they do not print at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Does anyone have a solution? Obviously, this is a huge problem for me, as a significant number of my files use this font. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Don't worry about the end of the world, it's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Shultz ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] dealing with file corruption
Hello all, I seem to remember that there was some advice (maybe from Chistopher) about dealing with corrupted files. I am working on a piece that has been entered into one of my templates (template OK to start with) from another person's computer. There was file corruption evident in the original - on the other computer - trouble copying from place to place (even vertically) - erratic, sometimes it worked, sometimes it crashed Finale, and it is hard to spot what will work and what won't. Now this erratic behavior has migrated to the new file, and it sometimes appears in staves that weren't even in the original file (it's a JJ Johnson arr, for 5 trombones now being expanded to a big band). Is there a reliable way to deal with this problem? TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacFin2003a question
Martin, I thought one did this (at least in the old days, before TG Tools made it easier), by entering 4 half notes in the measure (the g-d pair and the c-a pair) allowing extra beats in the measure and selecting distribute notes evenly across the measure in Measure Attributes. Then there is a tremolo shape expression that needs to be attached to one note of each pair. This is slow and kludgy, but I think the results are correct. TG tools has an easier way that I have used, though not recently enough to remember how it works. Chuck On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Martin Banner wrote: In 4/4 time, in a piano part, I want to have two 1/2 note tremolos (beats 1 and 2, between g and d, and beats 3 and 4, between c and a). How do I create two eighth notes tied, but without the blackened in notes, so they each last two beats each? Would I be better off visually if I do two 32nd notes tied together (three beams) without filling in the noteheads. I did this many years ago, but can't for the life of me remember how to do this. Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sax ranges
There is the Heimlich method of double high Bb on trombone, which is also hard on the teeth... 8-) Christopher The trombonist's teeth, or the listener's? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dealing with file corruption
I'd write Jim Bruce - head of customer support. [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's his job to be responsive. BTW, the file finally gave in to the spinning beach ball of death, but I have a (badly formatted, but legible) pdf made just before the ultimate crash, and I am going to assign the student who fouled up the file the job of re-entering everything into a clean template. Ughhh! Chuck On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Tue, November 27, 2007 7:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another factor at work here: in all matters that could conceivably be construed as being conflictual in some way, no matter how tangentially, now or at some point in the infinite future, *all* attorneys will always tell *all* clients to say nothing whatsoever. I must say this is the first time it's happened. I write suggestions or criticisms occasionally to companies, and most often get the standard thank you for your letter response. Maybe we should start up our radio show again and start pounding on 'em. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Monitor question
Hi David, My Samsung 243T 24 - just replaced (and sold) by a wonderful (can't recommend it highly enough, for anyone who can scrape up the not inconsiderable cash) Apple 30, had a pivoting stand, and it had more than enough vertical space in portrait orientation. I think they have been available recently (though they are a discontinued model) on eBay for around $650, if you want something of that size. If I were looking now, I'd consider a rotatable 22 - maybe a Samsung (though I think there are a number of pretty good brands now, and prices have plummeted). USB ports are a help but, remember, what you plug in to them will be pulled around as you rotate the monitor. (The 24 was even a little too tall for my needs in portrait orientation. Save $, unless you write for large ensembles often.) Some people are pickier about color rendition and speed than I am, and I found the Samsung to be quite clear in rendering text and music. Almost any decent LCD will be clearer and easier on your eyes than the old CRT. Hope my experience will be helpful in your search. Best regards, Chuck On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:43 AM, David Froom wrote: Hello all, I'd like to request some advice about monitors. I am looking at buying a new monitor to replace my desk-hog, an old Apple Studio 21 CRT. The Dell 24 LCD (2407WFP) looks appealing, especially because it has a stand with 90° built in to the stand. In the old days, I used to have a BW pivoting monitor, and I used the swivel a lot, not just for music. I especially would like to have a full page display on something this big. The Dell also has some convenient things, like a built-in card reader, and four high- speed powered USB ports (with one upstream so you can use this as a hub), and a variety of monitor connections. With this going for about $650, is there something better for the price? Or does anyone have and like this monitor? Or would people advise going for something larger that doesn't pivot 90°? Thanks in advance, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Triplet settings (default)
My triplet defaults are set: always flat; avoid staff. That seems fine, unless the triplet is close enough to the staff that the number is displaced to the avoid staff distance and the broken bracket is not. In this case, the number/bracket relationship is skewed (vertically), and I have to remove the avoid staff definition (which then restores the number/bracket relationship but displaces the whole triplet symbol) and reposition the triplet by hand. Am I missing something in the default settings or doing something wrong that makes this fussy hand editing necessary? Also, are others experiencing frequent 2008 (Mac) crashes - 3 or 4 in a normal day's work? I have resigned myself to this condition, but it does not speak well for 2008's stability. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008 a is up
??? MM says that 2008a has Leopard support. So why do you say this? Chuck On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Disappointing. Seems there is no mention of supporting 10.5 on the Mac. Way to go MakeMusic. Way to go. Jari Williamsson wrote: Williams, Jim wrote: Well, they took it down (I hope) for just a while. I'm downloading it right now. But it's slooow... Try to do a search for Finale and 2008 in the download area. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2008a
I make no claims to being either as exigent or knowledgeable as some, but my experience with 2008a over the past couple of weeks has been encouraging. I am reluctant to consider changing applications, reluctant to learn new working methods when Finale either suits mine or has trained me to suit my methods to the way it works. In any case, for the kinds of things I do, jazz and big band pieces, piano/ vocal scores, and the occasional orchestral or chamber piece in more or less conventional notation, the results are bow both good and pretty practical to achieve. I have gotten my head wrapped around linked parts and find it a good way to work, though it requires TGTools Transfer Layout function to make it work well when there are a number of parts with similar layouts to create. I have long been a defender of the MM people (probably because I know a few of them and find them intelligent, principled and likable), but I have been embarrassed by what seemed to have been a head in the sand attitude and inattention to many requests to fix extant bugs. It's nice to be able to return to the state of being relatively confident that MM is paying attention. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2008a Leopard problems
Hi all, Just installed Leopard, and Finale will not open. It crashes on opening. Relaunch does nothing different. There was one widow that offered reset and relaunch (don't know how I got that to come up, but that did nothing either. Help please! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008a Leopard problems
Hi Dick, Mac G5 Dual 2.0 Ram-o-Plenty GPO JABB (Kontakt 2 Player) no Audio interface. Just re-installed the 2008a update to no avail. (Beginning to generate a real dislike for that guy Noah Vail.) Getting late here - maybe I'll call MM in the AM. This is a drag. Chuck On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: Tell us a bit more about your system and what you've done so far. I'm interested to know if you're using a PCI audio interface. Dick On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, Just installed Leopard, and Finale will not open. It crashes on opening. Relaunch does nothing different. There was one widow that offered reset and relaunch (don't know how I got that to come up, but that did nothing either. Help please! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008a Leopard problems
General info for 2008a in Leopard: Trash the Finale prefs and it will open. Yes, you must rebuild the prefs, but it does work then. However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM problem, but a warning from them would have been appreciated. Chuck On Dec 10, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Dick, Mac G5 Dual 2.0 Ram-o-Plenty GPO JABB (Kontakt 2 Player) no Audio interface. Just re-installed the 2008a update to no avail. (Beginning to generate a real dislike for that guy Noah Vail.) Getting late here - maybe I'll call MM in the AM. This is a drag. Chuck On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: Tell us a bit more about your system and what you've done so far. I'm interested to know if you're using a PCI audio interface. Dick On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, Just installed Leopard, and Finale will not open. It crashes on opening. Relaunch does nothing different. There was one widow that offered reset and relaunch (don't know how I got that to come up, but that did nothing either. Help please! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008a Leopard problems
Hi Randolph, YES! Many thanks. This has saved me time, and maybe some money. Chuck On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM problem, but a warning from them would have been appreciated. You may find some joy here. Try MidiSportLoader for Mac OS X 10.5. The free, open source software allows you to use some M-Audio USB MIDI interfaces with Mac OS X 10.5 http://namedfork.net/midisportloader/ BTW, I'm seeing on this list lots of people who are switching to Leopard. I'm testing it out, but I think it is too buggy and inconsistent to recommend at this time. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008a Leopard problems
Hi Eric, I checked yesterday and found none, but this patch suggested by Randolph Peters does work, and everything is going smoothly at the moment. I will look at the m-audio site again and stay alert for new drivers. Thanks, Chuck On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: What M-Audio devices do you have? Have you checked their website and downloaded the BETA drivers. They have a lot of the drivers in Beta right now that work with 10.5 Chuck Israels wrote: General info for 2008a in Leopard: Trash the Finale prefs and it will open. Yes, you must rebuild the prefs, but it does work then. However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM problem, but a warning from them would have been appreciated. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Coda mark query
Carl, this is one of my pet peeves w/Finale. What I used to do when working with extracted parts was to have the mm rests break at the appropriate point and then add an extra to Coda symbol in each part. The symbol is actually attached to the 1st measure of the 9 measure rest, which it sees as one measure. Pain in the ass, but it made parts look right. Chuck On Dec 11, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: I'm doing a piece where many of the parts (big band score) have multi-measure rests before and after the coda (go to) mark. I'm using FinWin 2004 under WinXP. The problem is: I can either have multi-measure rests or the mark, not both. If I select the measures in question (before and after, in separate groups), the measure the Coda mark is attached to will not be included unless I de-select break multi-measure rests when selecting the coda mark. But if I do that, the mark itself becomes invisible. I have, in most cases, 9 measures, the mark, and 3 measures. But it comes out as 8 measures, 1 measure with the coda sign, and 3 measures. ANy idea how to fix this? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Interesting Finale nsmathematical music series.
I expect in the near future, that I, too, will be dragged, if not kicking and screaming, then still with no great joy and exuberance, into the realm of high-speed internet connection. Come on Noel, it's fun! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
I'm in the desktop camp. Chuck On Dec 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Styles wishlist
On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:32 AM 12/18/2007, Randolph Peters wrote: It would be great if there could be a Staff Style that would automatically place tuplets above the music. This would take care of the majority of tuplets in vocal parts. I know you can change the tuplets in one pass using what used to be called Mass Mover, but still, this would be useful. You know you can change your default tuplet settings for a document, right? When you start a new doc, go to Document Options | Tuplets and set all tuplets to above. Or change this setting in your template, and then all new docs based on that will inherit the setting. Or am I misunderstanding? Changing defaults affects all staves. Randolph is suggesting a different setting for vocal parts only, in both tuplets and dynamics. There are other ways to achieve this, but it does seem to me that a staff style would be an efficient way to do it. Chuck And while we are at it, why not another Staff Style option that would take auto-positioned dynamics (usually below the staff) and give them an override setting so that the dynamics could automatically go above the staff? This would save having to make duplicate sets of dynamics. Duplicate dynamics? Why not just place the regular dynamic in the score and then shift-drag it to over the staff? This seems quicker to me than applying a staff style. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Styles wishlist
On Dec 18, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: FWIW, I found changing the tuplets to above in the choir parts went very smoothly and quickly with the UtilitiesChange... Tuplets. One shot, very easy. I can't imagine a Staff Style being any easier than that. If not for this list, I might not find useful nuggets like this one. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Styles wishlist
I would say, Who knew?, but apparently Darcy knows (why am I not surprised?). More invaluable information. Thanks, Darcy. Chuck On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, Finale actually comes with a pre-defined library of above-the-staff choral dynamics: Libraries/Maestro Font/Choral Dynamics. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 18 Dec 2007, at 9:36 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: And while we are at it, why not another Staff Style option that would take auto-positioned dynamics (usually below the staff) and give them an override setting so that the dynamics could automatically go above the staff? This would save having to make duplicate sets of dynamics. Duplicate dynamics? Why not just place the regular dynamic in the score and then shift-drag it to over the staff? This seems quicker to me than applying a staff style. Because if you have an SATB choir and instrumental accompaniment, it can get REALLY long and slow! Why have auto-placement at all if we are going to have to drag each and every one into place? I recently completed a large SATB + orchestra work, and I made an alternate set of dynamics with over-staff placement for the choir parts. I saved them as a library for the next time, so I won't have to do that manually again. I temporarily re-assigned my metatools while working with the choir, then reverted to my original set of metatools for the orchestra parts. FWIW, I found changing the tuplets to above in the choir parts went very smoothly and quickly with the UtilitiesChange... Tuplets. One shot, very easy. I can't imagine a Staff Style being any easier than that. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Styles wishlist
Randolph, FYI, you can get to the individual tuplet setting by double clicking on the tuplet with the selection tool and then clicking on the highlighted tuplet handle. It's not ideal, but it does get you there while still in the selection tool. The inconvenience is that then you are in the tuplet tool and have to re-select the slection tool to go on with other work. I have my tools set up with a selector box - a small X-Keys keyboard programed to run QuicKeys macros for tool selection, so popping from tool to tool is relatively easy. Chuck Sorry, I meant that Change tuplets (or Change anything for that matter) is not a choice in the Selection Tool when you invoke the contextual menu. They added other items in 2008, but took this option off. The Tuplet Tool, of course has all the settings there. I don't like using that one as much because you have to find and click on the first note of the tuplet. It's just a little more finicky and involves all those micro moves with the mouse, which I try to avoid. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The dotted-eighth-sixteenth as a triplet
Henry, Isn't this already implemented in the HP jazz settings (and in the MIDI Tool)? I don't fool with HP and MIDI settings all that much. I suffer with global swing settings when there are many passages that are not correctly played that way in my own music, because I don't want to spend time selecting individual passages and editing them. However, I may be overly cautious. Some people do this kind of thing and can probably advise you (us?) about reasonably convenient ways to do this. Darcy and Hiro come to mind. Chuck On Dec 22, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think (hope) most folks here know about the persistence of the combination of triplets and dotted-eighth-sixteenth as a triple feel in Bach and other Baroque composers. I have, however, been aware of a longer application of this swing well into the 19th century. I suffered weeks of desperation until I could play the solos in the last movement of SCHEHEREZADE to my teacher's satisfaction. Even the DAVID CONCERTINO has caused hours of anguish;-) Anyhow, I wonder if Robert Piechaud could devise a plugin for us to apply when we need it in certain spots? It's just a thought;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Performance notes - text notation excerpts
Collective wise ones: What is the best way to create a page of performance notes that includes text instructions and small (one measure) musical excerpts? Can a word processing document (formatted with musical inserts) be dropped into a Finale page in toto? I have not had to do this before and am looking for advice. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Performance notes - text notation excerpts
On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, If text is the greatest of the two I would use a word processor and import the music as graphics. If music is the predominant thing on the page I might do it in Finale, depends on the project. Test is the greater, and I m familiar with importing music graphics into text docs, so that is not the issue. You could capture a graphic of a word processing page and import the resulting graphic into Finale. I will try that, just so see if it works easily, but I do have Acrobat, so I can merge pdfs, and that will probably do the trick if importing the graphic of the wp page proves problematic. Thanks, Carl, Vince and Aaron If you are doing a lot of this and mixing sources, maintaining constant font size might be a bit of a challange but if that's not a concern, it is doable. You could also export to PDF from multiple sources (Finale and wordprocessing) and combine pages from each is a single PDF document. Vince Leonard www.finalebook.com www.sibeliusbook.com In a message dated 12/22/07 1:33:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Collective wise ones: What is the best way to create a page of performance notes that includes text instructions and small (one measure) musical excerpts? Can a word processing document (formatted with musical inserts) be dropped into a Finale page in toto? I have not had to do this before and am looking for advice. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com _ ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] serendipitous discovery
Just thought I'd pass this on: I have been using drag/enclose to place multiple articulations for years and just accidentally discovered that holding down a Meta-tool key while enclosing will apply the selected articulation bypassing the dialog box selection process and saving mouse clicks. Made me feel like a dummy for not having known that before, but I am a happy dummy now, so I thought I'd alert others. Life is full of surprises Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Performance notes - text notation excerpts
Thanks Darcy, I have iWork too, so I will use Pages. (BTW - I will see you at the IAJE Conference in blustery, cold Toronto. We will be there on Thursday and Friday.) Chuck On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Apple's Pages app (part of iWork 08) is well-suited to this. Print your Finale examples to PDF, then import them into your Pages doc. You can mask or crop the PDFs directly in Pages. I believe EPS also works, although as I have said, I have had no need for EPS for many years. In my experience, printing to PDF is much easier and more reliable. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Dec 2007, at 10:32 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Collective wise ones: What is the best way to create a page of performance notes that includes text instructions and small (one measure) musical excerpts? Can a word processing document (formatted with musical inserts) be dropped into a Finale page in toto? I have not had to do this before and am looking for advice. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] serendipitous discovery
Thank you, Jari. There are a couple of useful things there I didn't know. Merry Christmas, Chuck On Dec 22, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Just thought I'd pass this on: I have been using drag/enclose to place multiple articulations for years and just accidentally discovered that holding down a Meta- tool key while enclosing will apply the selected articulation bypassing the dialog box selection process and saving mouse clicks. Made me feel like a dummy for not having known that before, but I am a happy dummy now, so I thought I'd alert others. Life is full of surprises Chuck, here's a page you might like: http://www.finaletips.nu/perhapsmissed.php Unfortunatelly, the webmeister is a really lazy kind of guy, so the list hasn't been updated for the last 3 Finale versions. But there might be some good things there anyway. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: M-Audio drivers now work in Leopard
Thank you, Randolph. I had checked a few days ago, but nothing was there at that time. Chuck On Dec 27, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: A little while back there was some interest in this group for new drivers for M-Audio MIDI and Audio gear that work in Leopard. The upgrades are now here: http://www.midiman.net/index.php?do=supporttab=driver -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Space systems evenly
A recurring problem when opening old files and creating new parts in 2k8 is that there is a hidden setting for Space Systems Evenly other than the one in the page layout menu, and it is set to On - screwing up my system spacing, and I can't find where it is. I have found it before but failed to write down where I located it, so I have lost it again. I can repair each part individually, but finding this dialog would enable a global fix. Does anyone have experience with this and know where to find it? Also, I save prefs, but keep losing auto update layout when re- opening. Bug? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Space systems evenly
A recurring problem when opening old files and creating new parts in 2k8 is that there is a hidden setting for Space Systems Evenly other than the one in the page layout menu, and it is set to On - screwing up my system spacing, and I can't find where it is. I have found it before but failed to write down where I located it, so I have lost it again. I can repair each part individually, but finding this dialog would enable a global fix. Greg Hamilton found it! Manage Parts Part Creation Prefs Deselect Space Systems evenly Fairly deeply hidden. Just thought I'd pass this on, in case someone else encounters this same problem. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] saving MIDI file
I am trying to save a MIDI file (aiff) from a piece played back with Garritan JABB, and Finale hangs up and freezes as the file is being saved. The file seems to be created, but then Finale freezes, and the resulting file does not play back (nor does it appear to be importable into iTunes). This is the first time I have tried to do this, and I am not having any success. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] saving MIDI file
Thanks to all responders. I meant to say Save as Audio File - which is what I was doing - making an audio file of a Finale score. The most useful bit of info was that it takes an inordinately long time for the file to actually be built by Finale, and the spinning beach ball of death is actually the spinning beach ball of go have lunch (as suggested by Christopher). After lunch, the file was complete, Finale was again available (and I guess it had never been really frozen), and the resulting file was playable through iTunes. All is well. Thanks again, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] IAJE in Toronto, Chuck Israels Exploring Jazz with Garritan
I have friends who are funny, and I am helpless at competing with them. Still, it's nice to know I can provoke a smile from time to time. Christopher is a kind and generous guy, and I am grateful for the plug. Chuck On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Second part, deserving its own thread. I attended Chuck's presentation on his new book/online guide. It appears to me that this is a real breakthrough, as it is one of the only texts that actually appears MORE useful in the online version than the paper version. You read the text (which has the advantage of being written by a jazz musician with world-class small-group experience, rather than by an arranging geek who hasn't played an instrument since college) and you click on the link to hear the example played! Not only that, but it isn't ALL the examples that use tweaked Garritan playback; many of them are live recordings. You can mess around with the examples and compare. Chuck draws heavily on examples that use techniques from traditional and modern styles. It looks excellent. Well done, Chuck! You can check it out at http://www.garritan.com/ and it's right at the top of the page. In the clinic Chuck made some frank observations, such as the playback is good for judging density and solving questions of form, but not so good for judging balance, phrasing, etc. He said synthesized playback was like a loaded gun handed to someone who doesn't know where to point (I think he may have met my students!) The moment that deserves wider quotation, however, is this one: Chuck: [Synthesized playback] is to music as phone sex is to sex. (long pause to allow for appreciative laugher to subside.) It's better than nothing. (much longer pause as the room completely cracks up) Might save you some time, though... (entire conference across two city blocks grinds to a halt while people collapse in convulsions, run off to change their underwear, call ambulances to treat hyperventilation cases, etc.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I met some MakeMusic types at IAJE inToronto
Hi Christopher, I also bent Tom's usually pretty receptive ear and got his attention directed to the problem of Staff Expressions showing in mm rests (the difficulty of placing a to Coda sign when a part has 6 measures of rest, the sign and then another 2 measures of rest). For the first time, I was able to communicate the problem clearly and Tom absolutely got it. This is just wrong and deserves attention, is a reasonably accurate quote of his reaction. I am hopeful. Chuck On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Hi all, Things have been quiet on the Finale front recently, so I thought I would share some experiences I had at the International Association for Jazz Education conference in Toronto last week. I met Tom Johnson from MakeMusic and bent his ear a bit about some issues we have with Finale at the college level in jazz studies. FWIW, they know about and have slated for work certain issues (like text repeats and DSs not showing up if they are buried at the end of a multimeasure rest) but seem not to care so much about certain others. I mentioned particularly these three; 1) Chord symbols do not transpose when the transposing instrument is using Chromatic Transposition (no key signature), and have to be transposed manually with UtilitiesChangeChords. 2) Shape Expressions do not position properly (many issues here) 3) Custom arrowheads cause EPS export to break on Mac, and EPS export is broken completely on PC and the answer was that I seem to be one of about 25 people who care about those things out of several million users, so they won't be high on the list. That surprised me. I'm sorry I didn't have the presence of mind to bring up Engraver Slurs, dancing articulations, and how Show Defined Measure Numbers messes things up, especially when you have turned off Show In Measure Numbering in the measure options. Could everyone please write in and ask for these things to be addressed, even if you are not affected directly? I get the impression from Tom that the experienced Finale users know about these things and work around them rather than writing in, so they don't hear about them so much. If they DID hear about them, then we might see some action sooner rather than later. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Leopard and FinMac 2K7 (8?)
2008a seems stable in OS 10.5.1. There are a number of changes from 2007, many quite useful. Chuck On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hi... Sorry that I'm a bit behind the times and haven't been keeping up with discussions lately. I just upgraded from Mac OS 10.4.11 to 10.5.1. I haven't yet made the leap from Finale 2007 to 2008 yet, though that's the next thing to do. I've noticed that in Leopard 2007 crashes every time you try to quit it. I gather from posts that I DID read that this behavior seems to continue in Finale 2008. What about in 2008a. I love that I can avoid the crash by Force-Quitting Finale instead of just quitting it! ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Leopard and FinMac 2K7 (8?)
Hi Darcy, I am not experiencing any of this on a Power PC Mac (G5 dual 2.0 with 4 gigs of RAM). Maybe it is an Intel thing, though why the processor should matter is beyond my level of understanding. Chuck On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hmm... I wonder if things are different on Intel Macs? Fin 2008a has quite a number of annoyances for me under Leopard. They do not appear instantly, but after an hour or so of Finale use they will reliably manifest themselves. They include: 1) Inability to quit -- Finale hangs on quit, and then you must Force Quit. 2) After a Force Quit, you cannot relaunch *any* version of Finale -- it hangs on Initializing CoreMIDI. To solve, you must log out and back in. 3) Unresponsiveness of OK and Cancel buttons -- you must instead use keyboard shortcuts Enter and Command-. 4) Select Parts for Printing dialog box goes blank when clicking OK -- you must switch apps and then switch back to Finale to fix. 5) When Autosave kicks in on an untitled document and Finale is not the frontmost app, Finale hangs. (This bug happens immediately -- no need to wait on this one.) This is all very frustrating. I don't know how many of these are Finale's fault and how many are Apple's, but Finale is the only app I have that behaves this badly under Leopard. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 17 Jan 2008, at 7:11 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: 2008a seems stable in OS 10.5.1. There are a number of changes from 2007, many quite useful. Chuck On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hi... Sorry that I'm a bit behind the times and haven't been keeping up with discussions lately. I just upgraded from Mac OS 10.4.11 to 10.5.1. I haven't yet made the leap from Finale 2007 to 2008 yet, though that's the next thing to do. I've noticed that in Leopard 2007 crashes every time you try to quit it. I gather from posts that I DID read that this behavior seems to continue in Finale 2008. What about in 2008a. I love that I can avoid the crash by Force-Quitting Finale instead of just quitting it! ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Globally chaning one chord sym
On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I suppose men of good character can disagree, and I do. I have no hesitation at all using Cb as the root of the bVI chord in Eb minor, and I don't believe it causes any problems. As as for the sharps, what else is going to indicate a proper resolution from VIIdim7/III to IIIm7 in the key of Dmajor other than E#dim7 to F#m7? I mean, the dominant chord - C#7 - would be spelled with an E#, so it only makes sense that the VII chord would be E#. I think this is one of the dumbing-down aspects of jazz theory that we can dispense with now in our more-enlightened times. We spell b13 correctly now on dominant chords (instead of the #5 that was ubiquitous 25 years ago) Hi Christopher, Seems to me those chords are #5 chords and not b13s. Is there a natural 5th in them? I hear them as augmented chords, so #5 is in line with my hearing. What is it that you hear differently? Chuck and I am working on the #9 (should be b10) but I can't do it alone. Christopher On Jan 23, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Although, I would add, this is really not recommend. Rhythm section players *hate* to see Cb's, Fb's, E#'s and B#'s as the root of a chord in a chord symbol, even if they are technically correct. We are much more used to seeing the bIV chord in Eb min. spelled as B7. Seeing Cb7 is practically guaranteed to cause a momentary Wha... ? Oh... okay during sight-reading. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Jan 2008, at 8:29 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: I did a transposition from E minor to Eb minor. Finale converted all the C chords to B. Is there a way to globally change them to Cb? In the Chord menu, turn off Simplify Spelling. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
Two questions: Is there any disadvantage to using a 2nd internal drive for backups (as opposed to an external one) and, are there shortcomings with Time Machine (Leopard's auto-backup system) that I should know about? So far, it seems to be working well. TIA, Chuck PS - on the subject of expressions, one of Jimmy Knepper's favorites was play it molto obvioso. I love that. On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: They now call it Retrospect Desktop. BTW, it sounds like you are using removable media for backups. (You mentioned tapes.) In my book that is old-school, and Retrospect may indeed be the best bet for that approach. SuperDuper is intended for backing up to another hard drive. These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Re(2): [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
On Feb 3, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Leigh Daniels wrote: Chuck, I also use my second internal drive to backup my Finale work but if something happens to the computer, then that drive may be gone. plus every month or so I burn a DVD of all my scores and store it at my mother-in-law's house. I do this too - and leave copies at scattered locations. All my work is on my computer too, and I can't imagine how I'd feel if it were all boiled, fried, or mashed beyond retrieval. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Paper finish - smooth vs. vellum
Darcy, I use a smooth finish ivory paper in what seems an ideal weight. I buy part of a bulk order that Dave Berger makes every so often, and I'm sure, if you like this paper (you can check out his parts at one of his gigs or rehearsals - or chez lui), you can be included in the purchase consortium. Chuck On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, Just curious what type of paper finish people here prefer for parts -- smooth or vellum? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Strange behavior of Preferences menu
Every so often, when working on an older file that has been converted to 2008a and playing back passages (through Garritan JABB), the playback will get corrupted. Instruments get their transpositions messed up and some sound at incorrect (horribly wrong) pitches. When that happens, a number of things can correct it temporarily. Often just closing the file and re-opening it, so the instruments reload, will fix the problem for a time. But changing anything - editing entries, copying measures, etc., can set it off again. Quitting Finale and re-starting it can also cure the problem temporarily, but it will always come back. After a few of these incidents (working on one file), the preferences will get corrupted and the Finale will lock up on an attempt to re-open it. OK, I have learned to live with this. Sometimes there's no way around trashing the preferences and rebuilding them. That takes about ten minutes. I've become faster at it out of unfortunate necessity, but yesterday I came across a behavior I had never seen. I realized that I had neglected to change something in the preferences, and the preference menu selection had disappeared; not grayed out, completely disappeared. The only way to get it back was by trashing the preferences and starting over again. (Restarting Finale or the computer had no effect.) This seems quite strange and troubling. Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printing to pdf problem
Hi Aaron, Yes, it is a (sarcastic tone) helpful message. However, there is no unacceptable symbol in this title Deja Blue.mus as far as I can tell. Still puzzled. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:23 PM 2/11/2008, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm printing to pdf (Mac 10.5.1) from Finale and getting an error screen I've never seen before: Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check Chooser for correct printer selection. Guess what: The error message has nothing to do with the error! If I remember the discussion correctly, I'm going to guess you're trying to save a PDF that has a character like a slash in the filename (Flute/Piccolo), and slashes aren't allowed in filenames. But isn't that a nice helpful error message from Finale? Chooser?? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] printing to pdf problem
I'm printing to pdf (Mac 10.5.1) from Finale and getting an error screen I've never seen before: Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check Chooser for correct printer selection. Everything works as expected when I actually print to my printer, and if I click preview, Preview creates on screen pdfs. But the error message comes when I try to save as pdf. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Aha! So I'm not the only one to have experienced the disappearance of the preferences menu. Good to know the keyboard way to access these options. Thank you, Darcy. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: The Preferences menu item vanishes from time to time. It's a known bug. Use the keyboard shortcuts -- command-, for Program Options and command-shift-A for Document Options. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 11 Feb 2008, at 3:21 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hi, Again... Question 2. Now that I've installed 2k8 (Mac) and am poking around in it a bit, the first thing I've looked for and can't find is Document Options. Used to be in Finale 200x/Preferences but all I have under Finale 2008 is About Finale... Services Hide Finale Hide Others Show All Quit Finale I'd like to do some preferences tweaking, but can't find em! Thanks... ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] My Day to Feel Like a Fool
Aha! So I'm not the only one to have experienced the disappearance of the preferences menu. Good to know the keyboard way to access these options. Thank you, Darcy. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: The Preferences menu item vanishes from time to time. It's a known bug. Use the keyboard shortcuts -- command-, for Program Options and command-shift-A for Document Options. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 11 Feb 2008, at 3:21 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hi, Again... Question 2. Now that I've installed 2k8 (Mac) and am poking around in it a bit, the first thing I've looked for and can't find is Document Options. Used to be in Finale 200x/Preferences but all I have under Finale 2008 is About Finale... Services Hide Finale Hide Others Show All Quit Finale I'd like to do some preferences tweaking, but can't find em! Thanks... ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printing to pdf problem
I just checked this - the problem is file specific, and it is a conversion from an earlier version of Finale that also exhibits other strange behavior (JABB instruments playing back at incorrect pitches). I'll send the file to Mac support and see if they can solve it. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm printing to pdf (Mac 10.5.1) from Finale and getting an error screen I've never seen before: Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check Chooser for correct printer selection. Everything works as expected when I actually print to my printer, and if I click preview, Preview creates on screen pdfs. But the error message comes when I try to save as pdf. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Aha! So I'm not the only one to have experienced the disappearance of the preferences menu. Good to know the keyboard way to access these options. Thank you, Darcy. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: The Preferences menu item vanishes from time to time. It's a known bug. Use the keyboard shortcuts -- command-, for Program Options and command-shift-A for Document Options. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 11 Feb 2008, at 3:21 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hi, Again... Question 2. Now that I've installed 2k8 (Mac) and am poking around in it a bit, the first thing I've looked for and can't find is Document Options. Used to be in Finale 200x/ Preferences but all I have under Finale 2008 is About Finale... Services Hide Finale Hide Others Show All Quit Finale I'd like to do some preferences tweaking, but can't find em! Thanks... ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] unable to contact Mac support
The last few times I have tried contacting Finale's support system, I have gotten an error message that says there's an internal server problem. Anyone else seen this? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printing to pdf problem
Hi Darcy, That seems to be a logical explanation except for a fact I neglected to mention earlier: there was no problem printing the same file to pdf before I made changes in some of the music. That, and the fact that there are no doubles or otherwise unusual part names in this piece. I am convinced that the file is corrupted. An attempt to send it to MM failed because their site was unavailable last night. I'll try again now. Thanks, Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, There is most likely an unacceptable symbol (most likely a slash) in the PART name of one or more of the parts you are trying to print to PDF. When you print linked parts to PDF, Finale creates new PDF files with the following format: yourscorename - thecurrentpartname.mus.pdf So if one of your PART names is, for instance, Alto Sax/Flute 1, or Trumpet/Fluegel 2, Finale tries to create the following files when printing to PDF: Deja Blue - Alto Sax/Flute 1.mus.pdf Deja Blue - Trumpet/Fluegel 2.mus.pdf ... and when OS X tells Finale You can't put a slash in a filename, dummy, Finale provides you the helpful error message. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 11 Feb 2008, at 8:30 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Aaron, Yes, it is a (sarcastic tone) helpful message. However, there is no unacceptable symbol in this title Deja Blue.mus as far as I can tell. Still puzzled. Chuck On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:23 PM 2/11/2008, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm printing to pdf (Mac 10.5.1) from Finale and getting an error screen I've never seen before: Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check Chooser for correct printer selection. Guess what: The error message has nothing to do with the error! If I remember the discussion correctly, I'm going to guess you're trying to save a PDF that has a character like a slash in the filename (Flute/Piccolo), and slashes aren't allowed in filenames. But isn't that a nice helpful error message from Finale? Chooser?? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] playback of multi instrument staves
Hi all, I have never needed to do this before, but I am working on a wind ensemble score and, for the usual practical reasons, there are some staves with more than one instrument. Is there a way in Finale to assign two midi channels to a staff - upper and lower notes? TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] playback of multi instrument staves
On Feb 15, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's also worth noting that this solution can confuse Human Playback, especially when it comes to keyswitches. Depending on your needs, you may find it is worth your while to mute the display +printing staves in favor of hidden playback-only staves. Aha!, Didn't think of that one. One could write in the display staves, explode to hidden ones with the display staves muted, get good playback, and delete the hidden staves when the piece is done. Darcy, you are a gem. Chuck - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Feb 2008, at 10:15 PM, Richard Yates wrote: I have never needed to do this before, but I am working on a wind ensemble score and, for the usual practical reasons, there are some staves with more than one instrument. Is there a way in Finale to assign two midi channels to a staff - upper and lower notes? Only if they are in separate layers. Click on the drop down arrow to the left of the staff name in the instrument list. The staff line expands to show the different layers. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation or chord suffix delete and replace
Hi Christopher, I don't know a way to speed this up by much, but if you select the entire window of articulations, Finale will give you the message for each conflicting articulation in turn while deleting those that are not in use. This only saves you the irritation of selecting each individual articulation, but you still have to do it window by window, and if a large library is loaded, it's a time consuming operation. I do this myself as I update older files to agree with my present standards. Sympathetically, Chuck On Feb 16, 2008, at 5:40 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Does this drive anyone else nuts? FinMac2008a, but it has worked this way for as long as I can remember: I get a file from someone who doesn't have a clue and I have to clean it up. He has done some boneheaded thing with his articulation placements, or I don't like the font (or don't own it!) and I have to load a library of my own articulations and replace his. Now, what I would LOVE to do is to select all of his articulations in the Articulation Selection Dialogue Box and hit Delete. But when the dialogue box comes up, saying that articulation is in use in the score, do you want to replace it? I have NO IDEA which one Finale is referring to! So I have to select and delete each one, one at a time, replacing it in turn with one of mine. Would it be so hard to have a representation of the articulation slot that FInale is referring to? I waste SO much time with this, and it is the same thing with chord suffixes. In a jazz chart there can be thirty or forty different suffixes in use, and I have to comb through and replace EACH ONE, one at a time. Maybe someone knows of something that can help me out, too. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale hangs on quit
Hi all, I have been putting up with instability on my system for a long time now (Mac G5 Power PC - 10.5.2 - 4G RAM). Every time I quit Finale, it crashes, and corrupts the preferences in the process. Besides this, in the process of using it, eventually the playback gets corrupted - instruments start to play back at incorrect pitches. there are a few other problems too, but I can't think of them at the moment. It has become beyond infuriating. I have gotten in the habit of keeping a copy of the uncorrupted preferences, so I don't have to rebuild them, but getting Finale to see the new preference files requires a restart. Am I alone in experiencing this? If this is something wrong with my system, how can I find out what it is and correct it? TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale hangs on quit
Tried again, even re-installed Finale from the 2k8a updater and rebuilt the preferences yet again, only to have Finale hang up on quit and refuse to re-open again. I am beyond frustrated. Chuck On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, Well, for the first time in a long time, I was able to get Finale to quit without incident. (I am up at 3 in the morning for no reason I can identify, and Finale has been closed and resting awhile.) The more frequent behavior is that it hangs - the screen goes blank, but Finale remains open, preventing restarts etc. It then becomes necessary to force quit. After force quitting, Finale will not re- open. It hangs up near the beginning of the process, and you get the spinning wheel of death. Only trashing and replacing the preferences will allow Finale to open again. Another thing I notice is that occasionally, while I am working on a file, Finale will lose the Automatic Update Layout preference. I have not been able to identify what makes that happen, but I usually notice it while editing parts and using TGTools - Modify/Transfer to move the layout of one part to another. This plugin will only function correctly when Auto Update Layout is on. I don't know what AUManager is - or even what AU is. Thanks for your help. Chuck On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:45 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 08.2.18 / 0:20 AM wrote: If this is something wrong with my system, how can I find out what it is and correct it? Chuck, My hunch is one of your AU plug-in's copy protection is failing to return memory space when Finale exits. Finale loads AU even though it doesn't allow you to use it. For example, on my setup, FinMac2008 loads PACE iLok binary images for MOTU Vis even though you won't be able to use them. You can send me the crash log next time it crashes to me privately. There is a chance I could see if AU related object making Finale crash on quit (called COQ error). If this is the case, you can use AUManager to prevent from Finale to load them, which I do. As to pref being corrupted, I can only guess it might be a Finale bug, that is, Finale fails to close pref I/O early enough to protect it. By the way, in general, there are two types of pref design. One is open/ close per app request, and the other is stay open from launch to ext. Finale's one seems to be the latter. But I need a clarification. You said Finale crashes, but the subject sez hangs. Which one is it? If it is a SWOD (spinning wheel of death), open Activity Monitor, Select Finale process, hit Opt+Cmd+S, save it to a text file, and send it to MM!. I haven't learned to analyze process threads yet. I wish I could. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale hangs on quit
Hi Hiro, Well, for the first time in a long time, I was able to get Finale to quit without incident. (I am up at 3 in the morning for no reason I can identify, and Finale has been closed and resting awhile.) The more frequent behavior is that it hangs - the screen goes blank, but Finale remains open, preventing restarts etc. It then becomes necessary to force quit. After force quitting, Finale will not re- open. It hangs up near the beginning of the process, and you get the spinning wheel of death. Only trashing and replacing the preferences will allow Finale to open again. Another thing I notice is that occasionally, while I am working on a file, Finale will lose the Automatic Update Layout preference. I have not been able to identify what makes that happen, but I usually notice it while editing parts and using TGTools - Modify/Transfer to move the layout of one part to another. This plugin will only function correctly when Auto Update Layout is on. I don't know what AUManager is - or even what AU is. Thanks for your help. Chuck On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:45 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 08.2.18 / 0:20 AM wrote: If this is something wrong with my system, how can I find out what it is and correct it? Chuck, My hunch is one of your AU plug-in's copy protection is failing to return memory space when Finale exits. Finale loads AU even though it doesn't allow you to use it. For example, on my setup, FinMac2008 loads PACE iLok binary images for MOTU Vis even though you won't be able to use them. You can send me the crash log next time it crashes to me privately. There is a chance I could see if AU related object making Finale crash on quit (called COQ error). If this is the case, you can use AUManager to prevent from Finale to load them, which I do. As to pref being corrupted, I can only guess it might be a Finale bug, that is, Finale fails to close pref I/O early enough to protect it. By the way, in general, there are two types of pref design. One is open/ close per app request, and the other is stay open from launch to ext. Finale's one seems to be the latter. But I need a clarification. You said Finale crashes, but the subject sez hangs. Which one is it? If it is a SWOD (spinning wheel of death), open Activity Monitor, Select Finale process, hit Opt+Cmd+S, save it to a text file, and send it to MM!. I haven't learned to analyze process threads yet. I wish I could. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale hangs on quit
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, The hang-on-quit is a known problem with all versions of Finale and OS X 10.5.x (Leopard). It is possible to get a clean quit if you use Finale for a very short period of time, but anything more than about 5 minutes or so and Finale gets in a state where if you try to quit, it will hang. And once this happens, you cannot relaunch Finale without logging out and logging back in. Hi Darcy, Thank you - this has gotten frustrating. This is an explanation of some of the behavior I have been experiencing. And yes, it happens after long periods of Finale use. I will try the force quit method - going there directly rather than as a recourse when Finale refuses to quit by the usual methods, and I'll see if that helps. If this will leave the preferences intact and uncorrupted and allow a clean restart of Finale, that is not too much trouble, and I'll be grateful. I am hopeful that MM and/or Apple may improve the situation. There have been other anomalies, however: the loss of the Auto Update Layout preference (not such a big deal, but strange nonetheless), and the erratic playback behavior that creeps in after longer periods of work. I have tried different methods of dealing with this - once or twice removing the transposition selection from an offending instrument and replacing it has resulted in a short term cure, and sometimes reloading the JABB instruments (by closing and reopening the file) will also fix the problem temporarily, but never for long. I have not been able to identify this as a Garritan or Kontact Player 2 problem - don't know how I'd be able to isolate that anyway. Thanks, Chuck This is, I must say, INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING. But it seems like Apple is at least somewhat to blame here, as a significant number of audio- based apps have serious problems in Leopard -- Finale (and Sibleius, I might add) included. The best workaround I've found is so far is to ALWAYS Force Quit Finale -- don't ever use File - Quit, just go directly to Force Quit instead (cmd-opt-esc). I use that now instead of the regular quit, and most of the time, this works -- after a Force Quit I don't have to log out in order to relaunch Finale, which is something I have to do if I try to quit normally. I have not seen the Preferences corruption issue you are having, but you should not, generally, have to restart your Mac in order to get Finale to recognize a fresh set of preferences -- Force Quit followed by a relaunch ought to do the trick. A few gentle words of encouragement directed at MM Customer Support from everyone experiencing these issues couldn't hurt. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 19 Feb 2008, at 6:46 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Tried again, even re-installed Finale from the 2k8a updater and rebuilt the preferences yet again, only to have Finale hang up on quit and refuse to re-open again. I am beyond frustrated. Chuck On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, Well, for the first time in a long time, I was able to get Finale to quit without incident. (I am up at 3 in the morning for no reason I can identify, and Finale has been closed and resting awhile.) The more frequent behavior is that it hangs - the screen goes blank, but Finale remains open, preventing restarts etc. It then becomes necessary to force quit. After force quitting, Finale will not re-open. It hangs up near the beginning of the process, and you get the spinning wheel of death. Only trashing and replacing the preferences will allow Finale to open again. Another thing I notice is that occasionally, while I am working on a file, Finale will lose the Automatic Update Layout preference. I have not been able to identify what makes that happen, but I usually notice it while editing parts and using TGTools - Modify/ Transfer to move the layout of one part to another. This plugin will only function correctly when Auto Update Layout is on. I don't know what AUManager is - or even what AU is. Thanks for your help. Chuck On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:45 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 08.2.18 / 0:20 AM wrote: If this is something wrong with my system, how can I find out what it is and correct it? Chuck, My hunch is one of your AU plug-in's copy protection is failing to return memory space when Finale exits. Finale loads AU even though it doesn't allow you to use it. For example, on my setup, FinMac2008 loads PACE iLok binary images for MOTU Vis even though you won't be able to use them. You can send me the crash log next time it crashes to me privately. There is a chance I could see if AU related object making Finale crash on quit (called COQ error). If this is the case, you can use AUManager to prevent from Finale to load them, which I do. As to pref being corrupted, I can only guess it might
Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Adam Golding wrote: On the other hand, maybe i'm just so addicted to keyboard shortcuts that I can't realize that using the mouse *could* be fast too? I have the same issues with removing articulations. Not to dissuade you from keyboard shortcuts, but the speed of working with a mouse is highly hardware and software ballistics dependent. It can be quite fast, and it is visually intuitive. (There is no translation in your brain to understand that the keyboard shortcut is moving this thing to that place; you just visualize it and see it on the screen. I don't mean to imply that this is the only way to work but, for some, it may be quick because it is visually concrete.) A quality mouse ( I use a Logitech wireless super-duper-laser- something-or-other) and good software that makes the ballistics both fast and finely controllable go a long way to making this kind of work go smoothly. (I have Patterson Beams programmed on a mouse button: drag-enclose, or click-select, click, done - a one handed operation.) Some people find good trackballs a solution for getting across big screen areas. I used to use a terrific Kensington one and made the mistake of thinking that later versions were improvements when, in fact, they weren't. The older steel roller bearings were far superior to later teflon bearings, and I could never get the speed of response or great feel of the original pre-USB/pre-optical one. Everything about the older one suited me fine, but it became outdated, and I made the mistake of doing away with it (and the associated dongle that allowed it to communicate through a USB port). As I have said before here: I am an upgrade whore. Sometimes that works out; sometimes not. Anyway, the point is Keyboard shortcuts can be a help. I use them myself. But they don't always do everything in the most intuitive or fastest way for everyone. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:26 PM, dhbailey wrote: If you don't like a question, hit the delete key. It does nobody any good to say that's a stupid question. I have asked a number of questions here that might have seemed (or been) stupid to anyone with more experience with the issue than I have. I am grateful for the thoughtfulness, courtesy and generosity of the responses to those questions. It makes me wish I had more to contribute. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale School
Hi Matthew, Good work so far - as a work in progress. I agree with what has been posted so far in response, and I want to add that the suggestion Darcy made about a script is more than just window dressing; it is necessary to raise this to a professional level. The verbal tics that yu can get away with in conversation do not belong in any recording. They are distracting and interfere with the content of the message. I encourage you to continue this and refine it. Chuck On Feb 19, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Matthew Voogt wrote: Hello Everyone, My name is Matthew Voogt. I am new to the list and would just like to say hello. I have a website called The Finale School (http://www.thefinaleschool.com ). It is a website that is totally free and offers video tutorials about anything and everything related to Finale. Check it out... let me know what you think. -Matt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale School
On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Matt, Good luck with this. RE: video size, what you actually need to do is to zoom in on the areas of interest so that people can see what you are doing. I looked at your Drum Hits video and it wasn't really possible to see what was going on on the actual staves. Plus, about 90% of your video screen real estate was completely wasted (empty space below the two staves in Scroll View). When you make these videos, you need to zoom way in so only the relevant parts of the screen are visible. You may need to move the camera along with the cursor in some cases. For audio quality, for internet video, you probably only really need a Snowball USB Mic. But what you *really* need is a script. You can't just record the audio and video off-the-cuff -- you need to plan out the most efficient way to convey the information you are trying to convey. Making good instructional videos is difficult and you can't just wing it. Matt, There is good material here, and I appreciate the work that has gone into it. But, this is a recording - not a conversation, and the verbal tics become annoying and distracting. On any kind of professional level (and if you are selling this, as I think you would like to, and probably should), you need a script that allows you to avoid the verbal fillers that interfere with the content of the spoken information. So, I am in agreement with Darcy about this and about the size and framing of the video information. Good luck, Chuck Check out the CommonCraft video series (Explanations in Plain English) on YouTube -- they are a terrific model: http://www.youtube.com/user/leelefever Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Feb 2008, at 1:37 PM, Matthew Voogt wrote: Hi Everyone! Thanks for the great feedback. I can agree with the fact that the audio is a bit not so great. This was a student project that I finished up this year (I go to Berklee College of Music). And I'm actually looking for a grant from the school to get some funding so that I can buy some of the audio recording stuff I need to make higher quality. As for the video quality. I encoded at a rate that I thought would be ok for people with slow and fast connections. So There had to be a compromise. If you are viewing on a 30 screen, yeah it is going to be a bit fuzzy. We are also trying to work on some search capabilities as well. As for it not being free... well there are 75 tutorials up and about 75% of them are up free of charge :) We are trying to test the market and see if people would like to buy subscriptions or DVDs more. -Matt On 2/20/08, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dc wrote: Matthew Voogt écrit: It is a website that is totally free and offers video tutorials about anything and everything related to Finale. Check it out... let me know what you think. Where one reads: What [sic] to see all those locke0d [sic] videos?! A one time fee will give you access to all the content on thefinaleschool.com Is this what you call totally free? Dennis The web-site is free -- viewing all the content costs money. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
