Re: WiFI antenna

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

Has anyone ever come up with a way of connecting some kind of external
antenna to the PB to boost signal connectivity?  I've got the G4 AL
15" machine, and I don't even see a decent place to attach something
to a screw.  It would have been nice if there had been a plug or port
on the side of the screen that could have done this!


If your card slot is free you could look for a PC card adapter with an 
antenna port.

Not as slick as the internal card though.
Probably easier to get a higher gain antenna on the access point.

Andrew in Ann Arbor
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Re: Wifi antenna

[Tom Ethen]

I agree completely!

This bizarre design change forces me to take my iBook when traveling and not
my Albook so I can get stronger WIFI connections. Now, my Pismo, because of
its larger size and much larger antenna (compared to a 12") is the WIFI
champ, but too big to travel with, for me anyway.

Tom

On 1/27/06 5:18 PM, "Caleb Cupples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I goofed. Then again, I haven't had an AlBook or a TiBook to test with,
> other than my limited experience with a friend's 15" AlBook that he let
> me borrow while we were in CA last year, since the 190 didn't have
> ethernet or WiFi.  Apple still made a dumb move in the antenna design
> on the G4 PowerBook, though. Just my humble opinion, though.
> 
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Re: Wifi antenna

[Caleb Cupples]

On Friday, Jan 27, 2006, at 17:11 America/Chicago, Tom Ethen wrote:


If you look at a parts page on the 12" powerbook, the antenna only goes
around the bottom and up to the grey tabs on the side of the display.

The iBook and Pismo antenna goes all the way around the display, this 
giving

a larger area to receive WIFI signals.

Tom


I goofed. Then again, I haven't had an AlBook or a TiBook to test with, 
other than my limited experience with a friend's 15" AlBook that he let 
me borrow while we were in CA last year, since the 190 didn't have 
ethernet or WiFi.  Apple still made a dumb move in the antenna design 
on the G4 PowerBook, though. Just my humble opinion, though.


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Tom Ethen]

If you look at a parts page on the 12" powerbook, the antenna only goes
around the bottom and up to the grey tabs on the side of the display.

The iBook and Pismo antenna goes all the way around the display, this giving
a larger area to receive WIFI signals.

Tom 
>> The real reason behind the weakness of the G4 'Books wireless
>> reception is the metal case. The Pismo/Lombard and all the iBooks have
>> a significant advantage, for this reason alone.
>> 
>> Caleb
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Re: Wifi antenna

[Tom Ethen]

That is not what I was told by Apple at MacWorld!

On 1/27/06 3:55 PM, "Caleb Cupples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The real reason behind the weakness of the G4 'Books wireless
> reception is the metal case. The Pismo/Lombard and all the iBooks have
> a significant advantage, for this reason alone.
> 
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Re: Wifi antenna

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On 26/01/06, Tom Ethen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 12" AL book gets far less range than my 12" iBook because it has a
> smaller antenna, or so the people at MacWorld told me. I would suggest
> getting a better antenna for the WIFI and leave the AL book as it is.
>
> Tom

The real reason behind the weakness of the G4 'Books wireless
reception is the metal case. The Pismo/Lombard and all the iBooks have
a significant advantage, for this reason alone.

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Re: Wifi antenna

[Howard Katz]

This still requires a physical connection to the card.  I'm not keen
on making this kind of adaptation.  Besides, if I read it correctly,
one of the ways to attach the antenna is to go thru the PC card slot? 
I'm using my slot with a CF card.

I was told about, but haven't had a chance to track down, a USB
antenna--thin design, could fit easily into a carrying bag.  I don't
know if these just use the physical connection to grab signal, or if
they need software drivers to work.


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Debra Platt]

I ordered the YSC-REO5ET with the MC-card connector for the airport 
card.


I first clicked on 2.4 GHz Antennas for 802.b/g WiFi, under the left 
hand menu. If you look under range extenders, and click on a model, 
there is a pull down menu that lets you choose the proper adapter for 
the airport extreme, if that's what you have. If you have questions, 
you can email the contact, he answers pretty promptly. For some reason, 
they don't list all the options under the Apple Airport Compatible 
section.


On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Howard Katz wrote:


On 1/26/06, Tom Ethen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My 12" AL book gets far less range than my 12" iBook because it has a
smaller antenna, or so the people at MacWorld told me. I would suggest
getting a better antenna for the WIFI and leave the AL book as it is.


Trouble is, these aren't my basestations, so I can't do any
modifications, including adding antennas, thus my wanting to boost the
PB's reception abilities.

Debra--could you share the item # of the antenna you bought for your
Pismo?  I took a look at their website, and couldn't see anything that
might be for a 'book.


Later...Howard

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Re: Wifi antenna

[Howard Katz]

On 1/26/06, Tom Ethen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 12" AL book gets far less range than my 12" iBook because it has a
> smaller antenna, or so the people at MacWorld told me. I would suggest
> getting a better antenna for the WIFI and leave the AL book as it is.

Trouble is, these aren't my basestations, so I can't do any
modifications, including adding antennas, thus my wanting to boost the
PB's reception abilities.

Debra--could you share the item # of the antenna you bought for your
Pismo?  I took a look at their website, and couldn't see anything that
might be for a 'book.


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Brian McEwen]

On Jan 26, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Brian Steere wrote:


No other networks impinging as far as I can tell.



What type of phone system do you have?  the 2.4GHz can be wiping out  
your 802.11, as they hop around.  Or your neighbors phone, even,  
depending.  Or your household items, like microwave.


Have a d-link 604t ADSL router - Can any of these signal boosting  
kits work
with any wifi router? I will look some more but didn't see how they  
fit -is

it a standard fitting?


If you see an easy way to unplug the external antenna on the WAP you  
can likely figure something out.


Try putting your WAP on a different channel.

B


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Brian Steere]

I have recently got an AL Powerbook and the signal upstairs can fluctuate
quite a lot. (to the point of losing it) Other times in the exact same spot
(in bed) I get full strength. It can change from one moment to anothr. No
idea why.
No other networks impinging as far as I can tell.

Have a d-link 604t ADSL router - Can any of these signal boosting kits work
with any wifi router? I will look some more but didn't see how they fit -is
it a standard fitting?
Scuse me if I am a bit dumb - I am only a few days into portable Mac life.
Its really noce.

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Re: Wifi antenna

[Tom Ethen]

My 12" AL book gets far less range than my 12" iBook because it has a
smaller antenna, or so the people at MacWorld told me. I would suggest
getting a better antenna for the WIFI and leave the AL book as it is.

Tom



>> I've got a situation where I'm trying to use the wifi connection in my
>> 'book with a weak base station signal--too much brick and steel in the
>> way--I can get connected, but it's not stable.


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Debra Platt]

http://sharperconcepts.zoovy.com/

I just ordered a antenna for my Pismo for $9.  from this place (plus 
another 8 for shipping). I  haven't received it yet, so I can't report 
anything, but it's worth checking out. They have antennas that attach 
to airport cards and airport extreme cards by attaching to the card 
itself and running the wire out of the card slot on the side.



On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Howard Katz wrote:


I've got a situation where I'm trying to use the wifi connection in my
'book with a weak base station signal--too much brick and steel in the
way--I can get connected, but it's not stable.

Has anyone ever come up with a way of connecting some kind of external
antenna to the PB to boost signal connectivity?  I've got the G4 AL
15" machine, and I don't even see a decent place to attach something
to a screw.  It would have been nice if there had been a plug or port
on the side of the screen that could have done this!


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Re: Wifi antenna

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On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Howard Katz wrote:


I wasn't aware of those--thanks.  Tho to be honest, at $40-50, I might
just put up with a weak signal--those are a bit pricy--the peecee at
work needed an external antenna, and we got a decent one for under
$10--granted, it's not being used on a book, but that's a major price
difference.  :)


One thing that you can do, which I did, is get a second router, there  
are some inexpensive ones that you might find on ebay or at one of  
the usual places. You set up that router as an AP, access point, at  
another location in your apartment. This will extend your signal. You  
do have to connect it via ethernet cable to your router My apartment,  
a duplex with 6" thick concrete floors and ceilings and cinderblock  
walls, didn't interfere with my Belkin Pre N router until a next-door  
neighbor installed the same router. I could not get a signal anymore  
in certain parts of the house, but his came through strong enough for  
me to accidentally lock on. He had no security and a slow cable  
service. Fortunately I still had my older Belkin 54g. Creating an AP  
on that solved the problem. I also got him to secure his network.


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What kind of base station or WAP do you have? If it has an external  
antenna, you're in luck. There are hi-gain antennas avaiable,  
sometimes featured at  for about $10. There are  
ominidirectional ones and directional. I tried an omnidirectional one  
first, but since my WAP is at one end of a long house and downstairs,  
and the place I often use my 15" AlBook is upstairs in a location  
with some interferrence, that didn't work well enough.


I then got a Hawkings dirctional anteanna and that works much better  
for me. I also bought an antenna extension cable so I could mount the  
antenna in the optimal location, high up on a wall downstairs and  
pointing slightly upward.


Regards,

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Has anyone ever come up with a way of connecting some kind of external
antenna to the PB to boost signal connectivity?  I've got the G4 AL
15" machine, and I don't even see a decent place to attach something
to a screw.  It would have been nice if there had been a plug or port
on the side of the screen that could have done this!




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Re: Wifi antenna

[sandra ragan]

On Jan 26, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Howard Katz wrote:


I've got a situation where I'm trying to use the wifi connection in my
'book with a weak base station signal--too much brick and steel in the
way--I can get connected, but it's not stable.


I've noticed that the older dual USB iBook and the 17" Big Al were 
getting different reception sitting in the same spot but the 
solution wasn't with the machine... I got a better external antenna for 
my Linksys on the recommendation of a techie and that solved the 
problem... something about the quality of the signal from better 
quality hardware than what ships with the unit.


Sandra Ragan
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[Howard Katz]

I wasn't aware of those--thanks.  Tho to be honest, at $40-50, I might
just put up with a weak signal--those are a bit pricy--the peecee at
work needed an external antenna, and we got a decent one for under
$10--granted, it's not being used on a book, but that's a major price
difference.  :)

I wonder if I could adapt an external antenna with a clip of some sort
on the TNC connector end to work with the 'book..?


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Re: Wifi antenna

[Brian McEwen]

On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Howard Katz wrote:



Has anyone ever come up with a way of connecting some kind of external
antenna to the PB to boost signal connectivity?  I've got the G4 AL


http://www.smalldog.com/product/32826

http://www.macwireless.com/html/products/antennas_boosters/whips.php

Are a couple.  I've read good things about the Quicktek one  
(QuickerTek, whatever it is).  No direct experience.  I thought I'd  
seen homebrew things (put cable just alongside the lid or something)  
but did not find them in a quick google.


HTH.

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Wifi antenna

[Howard Katz]

I've got a situation where I'm trying to use the wifi connection in my
'book with a weak base station signal--too much brick and steel in the
way--I can get connected, but it's not stable.

Has anyone ever come up with a way of connecting some kind of external
antenna to the PB to boost signal connectivity?  I've got the G4 AL
15" machine, and I don't even see a decent place to attach something
to a screw.  It would have been nice if there had been a plug or port
on the side of the screen that could have done this!


Later...Howard

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Re: Wifi Card

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That's why I bought the Aria. It's too much trouble dealing with 
third-party hacked drivers when there are easily obtained cards that 
work out of the box. I think there are still quite a few Lombard users 
around here, from my reckoning.


Well, good luck bargaining with the Wireless Wizard,
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On Thursday, Jan 5, 2006, at 20:33 America/Chicago, B.L. wrote:


G-Books wrote on 1/5/06, 09:43:


Thanks Brad.  I filed this away for future use.

Mad Dog

You are welcome, I've seen through perusing the list that you had a
Lombard and was trying to get a wifi card to work using the IOExperts
drivers, which I did with a YDI Diamond card which worked, but works in
my 3400c as an Airport card under OS 9.1. And I was tired of futzing
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Re: Wifi Card

[B.L.]

G-Books wrote on 1/5/06, 09:43:

 > Thanks Brad.  I filed this away for future use.
Mad Dog

You are welcome, I've seen through perusing the list that you had a
Lombard and was trying to get a wifi card to work using the IOExperts
drivers, which I did with a YDI Diamond card which worked, but works in
my 3400c as an Airport card under OS 9.1. And I was tired of futzing
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Re: Wifi Card

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G-Books wrote on 1/5/06, 09:43:

 > That's a little late, as I bought a Sonnet Aria Extreme from OWC last
 > night,

Caleb sorry I couldn't have gotten the card earlier for your sake, but
the Holidays sort of held things up. A battery is my next purchase, as I
too want to go portable. Then it's the ram so that I can upgrade to
X.3.9 and put in the 40gb hard drive I have lying around.


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Re: WiFi Card

[Tom and Lisa Peters]

Hey Everybody especially Caleb and Mad Dog; If anyone is interested I
just picked up a Motorola WN825G wireless notebook adapter card from
Ebay and it is currently working in my 400MHZ Lombard and shows up as an
Airport card. I am using OS X.2.8. I got the card for $18.00 which was
not bad at all, but I didn't exactly like the shipping cost which was
$14.00 which I thought was rather steep for a Priority Mail package but
I never found any any cheaper so i went for it and now I no longer have
to deal with trying to find drivers for the PCMCIA card. The reason I
thought of trying this card is because I have a Motorola1810G PCI card
in my B&W as well as in my Sawtooth that also shows up as an Airport
Card, so I thought I had nothing to lose trying this one out. Good Luck
campers.
Mad Dog this might help you out.
Here's the information off my box:
p/n: 498518-001-00
s/n: 13510142583073700100
MAC: 00CE5527E07
FCC ID:ACQWN825GV2
Hope this helps
Brad


Thanks Brad.  I filed this away for future use.

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Re: WiFi Card

[Caleb Cupples]

That's a little late, as I bought a Sonnet Aria Extreme from OWC last 
night, as well as finally getting that much needed replacement battery. 
$70 was a bit steep for the card, but I figured that it's worth the 
extra dough to get it when the battery gets in.


Cable Monkeys, bring it... I can take anything you can dish out and 
more, now that my baby is goin' portable once more.


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On Wednesday, Jan 4, 2006, at 15:00 America/Chicago, B.L. wrote:


Hey Everybody especially Caleb and Mad Dog; If anyone is interested I
just picked up a Motorola WN825G wireless notebook adapter card from
Ebay and it is currently working in my 400MHZ Lombard and shows up as 
an

Airport card. I am using OS X.2.8. I got the card for $18.00 which was
not bad at all, but I didn't exactly like the shipping cost which was
$14.00 which I thought was rather steep for a Priority Mail package but
I never found any any cheaper so i went for it and now I no longer have
to deal with trying to find drivers for the PCMCIA card. The reason I
thought of trying this card is because I have a Motorola1810G PCI card
in my B&W as well as in my Sawtooth that also shows up as an Airport
Card, so I thought I had nothing to lose trying this one out. Good Luck
campers.
Mad Dog this might help you out.
Here's the information off my box:
p/n: 498518-001-00
s/n: 13510142583073700100
MAC: 00CE5527E07
FCC ID:ACQWN825GV2
Hope this helps
Brad




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WiFi Card

[B.L.]

Hey Everybody especially Caleb and Mad Dog; If anyone is interested I 
just picked up a Motorola WN825G wireless notebook adapter card from 
Ebay and it is currently working in my 400MHZ Lombard and shows up as an 
Airport card. I am using OS X.2.8. I got the card for $18.00 which was 
not bad at all, but I didn't exactly like the shipping cost which was 
$14.00 which I thought was rather steep for a Priority Mail package but 
I never found any any cheaper so i went for it and now I no longer have 
to deal with trying to find drivers for the PCMCIA card. The reason I 
thought of trying this card is because I have a Motorola1810G PCI card 
in my B&W as well as in my Sawtooth that also shows up as an Airport 
Card, so I thought I had nothing to lose trying this one out. Good Luck 
campers.
Mad Dog this might help you out.
Here's the information off my box:
p/n: 498518-001-00
s/n: 13510142583073700100
MAC: 00CE5527E07
FCC ID:ACQWN825GV2
Hope this helps
Brad



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Re: Anybody tried one of these: Motorola 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi wireless card WN825G

[B.L.]

G-Books wrote on 12/21/05, 14:30:

 > the motorola card i had in the pcmcia slot of my pismo had a
 > broadcom chip, and worked flawless. it was seen buy the system as an
 > airport extreme card and was the 54mbps card .
 >vicki.
***
Hi Vicki thanks for the information, I was wondering about this PCMCIA 
card because the PCI card I have in my B & W and my Sawtooth both work 
flawlessly plus they show up as an Airport Extreme card. I just wanted 
to match this performance in my Lombard. Maybe I'll just take a Leap of 
Faith here and try it out. They're going for about $19.00 on Ebay so 
they 're in my price range.
Once again thank you.
Brad

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Re: Anybody tried one of these: Motorola 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi wireless card WN825G

[VICTORIA.DUGGAN]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 10:59 PM, B.L. wrote:



Good evening fellow G-Bookies. I have a question for the list  
regarding

pcmcia cards for the Lombard and any other powerbooks. I have in my G4
Sawtooth a Motorola WPCI810G 802.11g Wireless PCI Network Adapter that
shows up in Apple Profiler as an Airport Extreme card and works
flawlessly with my Graphite Base Station because it has a Broadcom
chipset in it. What I am wondering is whether or not any one knows if
this Motorola 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi wireless card WN825G also has the
Broadcom chipset or if someone can point me in the direction to  
find out

what chipset it has. Why; because, since the other Motorola PCI card
works so well I'd like to use one of these in my Lombard if possible.
Thank you one and all for your assistance in this matter.
Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings
Brad
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Hi brad
 the motorola card i had in the pcmcia slot of my pismo had a  
broadcom chip, and worked flawless. it was seen buy the system as an  
airport extreme card and was the 54mbps card .


vicki. 


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Anybody tried one of these: Motorola 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi wireless card WN825G

[B.L.]

Good evening fellow G-Bookies. I have a question for the list regarding 
pcmcia cards for the Lombard and any other powerbooks. I have in my G4 
Sawtooth a Motorola WPCI810G 802.11g Wireless PCI Network Adapter that 
shows up in Apple Profiler as an Airport Extreme card and works 
flawlessly with my Graphite Base Station because it has a Broadcom 
chipset in it. What I am wondering is whether or not any one knows if 
this Motorola 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi wireless card WN825G also has the 
Broadcom chipset or if someone can point me in the direction to find out 
what chipset it has. Why; because, since the other Motorola PCI card 
works so well I'd like to use one of these in my Lombard if possible. 
Thank you one and all for your assistance in this matter.
Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings
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Re: WIFI

[Pace]

I have used one of these for over a year now.
The "RoamAbout". Works with OS 9, OS X, Windows, XP & Linux!
And the price just can't be beat!
<http://www.wegenermedia.com/wlsrm.htm>

I have an orinco Gold WIFI card that only works
in OS 9+  that I used to use b4 OS X.
If anyone could use it, I will make you a deal.

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Re: WiFi

[Gene Osburn]

I guess the responses to my post sum up the the core question.

  Which card brands will work BOTH under OS9 and OSX?


I'm very impressed with the AeroCard Plus from MacSense.  Comes with 
drivers for both OS'es, and seems to have a somewhat stronger reception 
than the Orinoco Gold in my Wallstreet.


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Re: WiFi

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>From: David Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: WiFi
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:47:37 -0700
>
>I guess the responses to my post sum up the the core question.
>
>  Which card brands will work BOTH under OS9 and OSX?
>
>Also, I don't have Tiger installed yet either, so wondering if there is
>an app out there (like the Tiger Widget) that gives you signal
>strengths under Panther?
>
>Thanks for the ideas.  Dave

Hi Dave.

The Cisco 340 and 350 series of cards work under OS-X and OS-9 with the
Cisco software. Also the Dell TrueMobile 1100 Series is an OEM of the Cisco
340. I have flashed a Dell card with the Cisco Firmware.

The Cisco software has a feature like the Classic Stumbler, which lets you
see all available wireless networks.

All of these cards support 802.11b only. I don't know of any card that will
work native with AirPort software in both OS-9 & OS-X.

Follow the links on my Wireless FAQ to the Cisco pages with software and
ROM information for using these cards on a Mac.

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Re: WiFi

[Bryan Forbes]

Dave:

This won't work for OS9, but it will work with OS 10.2.6 and later.   
It's relatively inexpensive ... a possibility is you could get two  
cards ... one for OS X and one for OS 9.


This is from dealmac.com   ... my wife is currently using one on a  
Tibook and OS X - Tiger.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00019FW9O/ 
102-7225473-0829732


Regards,

Bryan F.

On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:47 AM, David Rodriguez wrote:


I guess the responses to my post sum up the the core question.

 Which card brands will work BOTH under OS9 and OSX?

Also, I don't have Tiger installed yet either, so wondering if  
there is an app out there (like the Tiger Widget) that gives you  
signal strengths under Panther?


Thanks for the ideas.  Dave



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Re: WiFi

[David Rodriguez]

I guess the responses to my post sum up the the core question.

 Which card brands will work BOTH under OS9 and OSX?

Also, I don't have Tiger installed yet either, so wondering if there is 
an app out there (like the Tiger Widget) that gives you signal 
strengths under Panther?


Thanks for the ideas.  Dave


a while ago i installed a belkin card in my aunt's lombard. it only 
works in os x, not in 9, but she is very pleased with it and has had 
no problems. hope it helps. g


I am using Orinoco Gold Classic Card for my Lombard running 9.2.2   It 
works great...  Kristina


For the card to be recognized in OS 9, you need to make sure you find 
an older card. For OS X, you will need additional driver so make sure 
you check the compatibility list of the driver before buying a card.   
-Laurent.



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Re: WiFi

[Kristina]

on 6/22/05 8:19 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> on 22/06/05 00:46, Kristina at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Well  finally here's something I can share...
>> 
>> I am using Orinoco Gold Classic Card for my Lombard running 9.2.2

> For the card to be recognized in OS 9, you need to make sure you find an
> older card. For OS X, you will need additional driver so make sure you check
> the compatibility list of the driver before buying a card.


Yes that's right, it had a square/rectangular/boxy end...not tapered...which
I could see in the pictures the different manufacturers displayed.

Older is better...and then a direct website to the right card is also very
helpful.

Kristina


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Re: WiFi

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 22/06/05 00:46, Kristina at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Well  finally here's something I can share...
> 
> I am using Orinoco Gold Classic Card for my Lombard running 9.2.2

Just one word of caution: from time to time, the manufacturers of these
cards will change the chipset of their cards which render them incompatible.
For the card to be recognized in OS 9, you need to make sure you find an
older card. For OS X, you will need additional driver so make sure you check
the compatibility list of the driver before buying a card.

-Laurent.
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Re: WiFi

[Kristina]

Well  finally here's something I can share...

I am using Orinoco Gold Classic Card for my Lombard running 9.2.2

It works great...

Kristina


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Re: WiFi

[gladys pérez-almiroty]

dave:
a while ago i installed a belkin card in my aunt's lombard. it only  
works in os x, not in 9, but she is very pleased with it and has had  
no problems.

hope it helps.
g
On Jun 22, 2005, at 12:03 AM, David Rodriguez wrote:


Hi list members,

Well I guess this is my maiden post on this list.  Looking for some  
guidance.  I have a Lombard running Panther.  Running with the bad  
L2 cache, but its not so bad as long as I remember to push the  
reset every time 'before' I boot up.  If not, then have to boot to  
cd, then to OS9, then to Panther.  And do it all with out  
restarting.  Like I said, not so bad. :)


Anyway, I'd like to be able to take advantage of the Wifi hot spots  
when in town, so wondering what are the best cardbus brands to find  
for Macs?


Thanks in advance,

Dave



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WiFi

[David Rodriguez]

Hi list members,

Well I guess this is my maiden post on this list.  Looking for some 
guidance.  I have a Lombard running Panther.  Running with the bad L2 
cache, but its not so bad as long as I remember to push the reset every 
time 'before' I boot up.  If not, then have to boot to cd, then to OS9, 
then to Panther.  And do it all with out restarting.  Like I said, not 
so bad. :)


Anyway, I'd like to be able to take advantage of the Wifi hot spots 
when in town, so wondering what are the best cardbus brands to find for 
Macs?


Thanks in advance,

Dave


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Re: battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell

[Matthew Faulds]

After some initial problems with batteries we bought a new battery for 466 
clamshell ibook and we get somewhere around 4- 4 1/2 hours use with airport. 
If watching a DVD you get full film plus about an hour. That is running 
latest version of Panther mind you. Watch out for funny battery problems 
when updating OS!

I reckon it's worth getting a new battery just for the lack of hassle. Ours 
is BTI (Battery Tech)

Matt


Original Message Follows
From: Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "G-Books" 
To: "G-Books" 
Subject: Re: battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:17:03 -0700
My Reply follows quote. On 08/04/2005 22:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Okay, I got the airport card for my clamshell, love it to death and
>enjoy being completely wire-free.  However I noticed with the airport
>card, the battery life is seriously diminished.  If I plan on using it
>without the power cord for any reason for a long time, I'll turn the
>screen brightness down and turn the sound off.  that doesn't seem to
>make a huge difference, but it makes a little bit of one.  It says it
>will work for like close to 2 hours.  Does the battery need replacing
>or is this average for an older laptop?  I noticed it gets down to a
>certain level with the battery displaying in red and then *boom* it
>shuts down and goes into sleep mode til I plug it back in.
>
>Any solutions or ideas?  Should I just get a new battery?
>
>Andrea~

Sounds pretty normal to me. Two hours with wireless seems good. Better
than I get with my Blueberry! A new battery may help, but I don't think
you will get 3 hours from a new battery while wireless.
Ken
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Re: jbidwatcher was WiFi list+another?r2 On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Kristina Rost wrote: dan_A did the download for jbidwatcher...but I do not have a program on my machine that will open it... Kristina Again, didn't realize that you weren't using OSX. It's for X only... sorry. dan_A

[dan_A]

Wow! Now that's a subject line.
On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:41 AM, dan_A wrote:
On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Kristina Rost wrote:
dan_A
did the download for jbidwatcher...but I do not have a program on my 
machine
that will open it...

Kristina
Again, didn't realize that you weren't using OSX. It's for X only... 
sorry.

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Re: jbidwatcher was WiFi list+another?r2 On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Kristina Rost wrote: dan_A did the download for jbidwatcher...but I do not have a program on my machine that will open it... Kristina Again, didn't realize that you weren't using OSX. It's for X only... sorry. dan_A

[dan_A]

On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Kristina Rost wrote:
dan_A
did the download for jbidwatcher...but I do not have a program on my 
machine
that will open it...

Kristina
Again, didn't realize that you weren't using OSX. It's for X only... 
sorry.

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Re: WiFi list+another?r2

[dan_A]

On Apr 12, 2005 9:04 AM, Kristina Rost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response to my ??? I am sorry I wasn't clear about what I am
> running...I am running OS 9.1 and my email program is Outlook Express...I'd
> like it to be compatible with Netscape, so they work togeter...a posted link
> embedded in the text of a messages automatically opens/jumps to netscape the
> browser on this machine, because it works with PayPal...and Internet
> Explorer doesn't.

Hi Kristina,\
Now that I know what you are using I opened 9.1 in one of my computers
to remember and check the settings. To make Netscape open when you
click the links in your emai, do the following: Go to the apple menu
and open *control panels* and navigate down to *Internet* control
panel and open. Scroll across to the *Web* tab and open. Look down at
the bottom of the panel and you'll see *Default Web Browser*... change
the setting to Netscape. Just scroll down till  you see it. While you
have that panel open you can make sure some of your other settings are
correct. Open up the *E-mail* tab. Make sure that your account
settings are correct, ie: user id, incoming and outgoing mail servers
and password. At the bottom of that panel you can select the email
application that you want to use. Close the panel and choose to save
the changes.

> 
> You mention Safari...is that free?
I didn't know that you were using OS9 when I mentioned Safari. It is
free but only works with OSX.

> then I still have these questions.
> Kristina
> 
> >> 2]  Why or how can I get my OE emails to automatically open netscape  when 
> >> I
> >> click on the link in the body email.

The control panel changes should fix the above.
> 
> >> 3]  And I can't seem to get my netscape mail to work for Sending

Open Netscape. I don't know what version you have... I only have
"Netscape Communicator 4.8" which I don't use anymore. Find Netscape
*preferences*, mine are under the *Edit" menu. When you get the prefs
open you should see a whole list of things. Find *Identity* and make
sure the setting are correct. You don't have to fill in all the stuff
in that panel. Just make sure that your name or nickname and email
address is correct. Then find *Mail Servers* this is the important
panel. Make sure that the *Outgoing mail (SMTP) server* has the
correct info... the same that you set up in your Internet control
panel in system control panels. And at the top of that same panel make
sure  that *incoming mail server* is correctly set. This should enable
your sending emails from your Netscape App. Hope that this helps.
 
dan_A

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jbidwatcher was WiFi list+another?r2

[Kristina Rost]

dan_A

did the download for jbidwatcher...but I do not have a program on my machine
that will open it...

Kristina



>> 1]  there a decent mac program which will do about the same thing as
>> eBay's
>> turbo lister?
> 
> There's a really great program that I've been using for over a year
> called jbidwatcher. You can download from this link:
>  -0.9.6.app.tar.gz?download> Pick any of the locations. This is
> "donation" ware.


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Re: WiFi list+another?r2

[Kristina Rost]

dan_A

Thanks for the response to my ??? I am sorry I wasn't clear about what I am
running...I am running OS 9.1 and my email program is Outlook Express...I'd
like it to be compatible with Netscape, so they work togeter...a posted link
embedded in the text of a messages automatically opens/jumps to netscape the
browser on this machine, because it works with PayPal...and Internet
Explorer doesn't.

You mention Safari...is that free?
and if I didn't want to add another program to my symbiotic mac enviornment
and wanted to get what I had to work...

then I still have these questions.
Kristina
 

>> 2]  Why or how can I get my OE emails to automatically open netscape  when I
>> click on the link in the body email.
> Open Safari if you're running OSX and open preferences (under "safari"  menu
> next to blue apple) open the "general" pane and first item down:  Default Web
> Browser" change that to Netscape.

 
>> 3]  And I can't seem to get my netscape mail to work for Sending

> This is a little more difficult to explain...Are you running  OS 9.x or
> older? 
OS9.1 whatever the current mac Netscape 7 is...

> Are  talking about sending web mail from a Netscape page?
sending from Netscape's email function... You select it from a netscape page
and it takes you to a Outlook Express email looking page and does most of
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Re: WiFi list+another?r2

[dan_A]

On Apr 9, 2005, at 10:55 PM, Kristina Rost wrote:
1]  there a decent mac program which will do about the same thing as  
eBay's
turbo lister?
There's a really great program that I've been using for over a year  
called jbidwatcher. You can download from this link:
 Pick any of the locations. This is  
"donation" ware.
and...
2]  Why or how can I get my OE emails to automatically open netscape  
when I
click on the link in the body email.
Open Safari if you're running OSX and open preferences (under "safari"  
menu next to blue apple) open the "general" pane and first item down:  
Default Web Browser" change that to Netscape.

3]  And I can't seem to get my netscape mail to work for Sending, it
receives, but asks for the pop mail addy and I give it the right  
answer (i
think) but I don't know...I must not be holding my mouth just right.
This is a little more difficult to explain, especially since I dumped  
Netscape because of its slowness, among other things, and use Safari. I  
would need to know a lot more of what you're running. Are you running  
OS 9.x or older? Are you using a version of Netscape Navigator? Are  
talking about sending web mail from a Netscape page?

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Re: battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell

[Peter Saint James]

On 9 Apr2005, at 1:23 AM, Andrea Stansbury wrote:
 I noticed with the airport card, the battery life is seriously 
diminished.  ...  Does the battery need replacing or is this average 
for an older laptop?  I noticed it gets down to a certain level with 
the battery displaying in red and then *boom* it shuts down and goes 
into sleep mode til I plug it back in.

Any solutions or ideas?  Should I just get a new battery?

	You might luck out with a new battery, but don't count on it.  The 
results you're getting sound about right.  I'm told the rule of thumb 
is that using Airport cuts your battery time to about half.

	It makes it difficult to soar into the wireless blue yonder when 
you're weighed down by extra batteries.  Maybe the G5 laptops will come 
with solar chargers.  Starbucks will have to reserve all the sunny 
tables for Mac users.



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Re: Compatible WiFi cards list

[peter webster]

Many thanks!
JP wrote:
this is the URL:
http://home.earthlink.net/~metaphyzx/Wireless.htm
you also might want to see:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kjvann/
good luck
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WiFi list+another?r2

[Kristina Rost]

Thanks JP,

>From a quick look it looks like either the lynksys or the netgear will work
if I use a different driver than Apple's airport, the resident software of
9.1. is that right?


My other questions are this:

1]  there a decent mac program which will do about the same thing as eBay's
turbo lister?

and...

2]  Why or how can I get my OE emails to automatically open netscape when I
click on the link in the body email.


3]  And I can't seem to get my netscape mail to work for Sending, it
receives, but asks for the pop mail addy and I give it the right answer (i
think) but I don't know...I must not be holding my mouth just right.

Eventually I will get all this tech worked out and I will just
disappear...or think of new things to do to bother you guys.

but as always I thank you
Kristina
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frog love.


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Re: Compatible WiFi cards list

[JP]

this is the URL:

http://home.earthlink.net/~metaphyzx/Wireless.htm

you also might want to see:

http://home.earthlink.net/~kjvann/

good luck

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Re: Mac compatible WiFi Cards...

[JP]

Guys -->>

There's a fairly complete list out there.
I have the URL.
Which I'll post ASAP.
I'm booted in 9.2.2 partition (special project) w/Netscape 4.6
Other X partition has Safari w/bookmark URL you're looking for...

as Hal said in "2001"..."Just a moment..."

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Re: battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell

[victoria duggan]

Hi I have been using my new ibook for two weeks now and the battery 
only lasts for 3 hrs 50 with the airport card fitted and that is a new 
book. So 2hr + from a clamshell is good.

I also have a 3400c with wifi via a mac wireless card, with the cd 
loaded and wireless being used for the net the best i get from that is 
2hrs 30 mins and that is also a new battery,

To save your battery life you need to set the book up to the way you 
like but only using the minimal power then the life should increase, 
for example the screen only at half brightness, the sound turned down 
to a minimum. Also if you have a book with removable drives then take 
the cd out and put in a space saver or a floppy drive. If the drive can 
not be removed leave the door open slightly the the system does not 
keep accessing the drive to check if there is anything there, keep the 
hdd spun down when doing text or not doing heavy access. turn off power 
to inactive devices IE pcmcia cards etc.

all these need to be taken into account when you use the book, and if 
you do then you will find that you will always have enough power for 
the things that you need.

vicki
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Re: battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 08/04/2005 22:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>Okay, I got the airport card for my clamshell, love it to death and 
>enjoy being completely wire-free.  However I noticed with the airport 
>card, the battery life is seriously diminished.  If I plan on using it 
>without the power cord for any reason for a long time, I'll turn the 
>screen brightness down and turn the sound off.  that doesn't seem to 
>make a huge difference, but it makes a little bit of one.  It says it 
>will work for like close to 2 hours.  Does the battery need replacing 
>or is this average for an older laptop?  I noticed it gets down to a 
>certain level with the battery displaying in red and then *boom* it 
>shuts down and goes into sleep mode til I plug it back in.
>
>Any solutions or ideas?  Should I just get a new battery?
>
>Andrea~

Sounds pretty normal to me. Two hours with wireless seems good. Better
than I get with my Blueberry! A new battery may help, but I don't think
you will get 3 hours from a new battery while wireless.

Ken

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battery power on wifi, G3 clamshell

[Andrea Stansbury]

Okay, I got the airport card for my clamshell, love it to death and 
enjoy being completely wire-free.  However I noticed with the airport 
card, the battery life is seriously diminished.  If I plan on using it 
without the power cord for any reason for a long time, I'll turn the 
screen brightness down and turn the sound off.  that doesn't seem to 
make a huge difference, but it makes a little bit of one.  It says it 
will work for like close to 2 hours.  Does the battery need replacing 
or is this average for an older laptop?  I noticed it gets down to a 
certain level with the battery displaying in red and then *boom* it 
shuts down and goes into sleep mode til I plug it back in.

Any solutions or ideas?  Should I just get a new battery?
Andrea~
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Re: WiFi ISP

[Dennis B. Swaney]

At 10:18 AM -0700 4/8/05, CR wrote:
At 7:58 PM -0700 4/6/05, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
Cliff, does anything on this site look familiar? 
http://motorola.canopywireless.com
Dennis.
Interesting question and site.
My provider reports that they are running a
 Trango system. Whatever that is?
http://www.trangobroadband.com/

My understanding is that WiMax is the latest technology
with wider range and maybe not even dependend or as dependent
on line of site.
Sounds like both the Canopy system and your system are very similar.
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Re: WiFi ISP

[Kristina Rost]

on 4/6/05 7:13 PM, CR at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Kristina,
> I, of course, do not know where "out here in a soon to be
> cornfield" is.

HA! Why Indiana sir!

> I suggest you call your local or most local computer
> store or service center/vendor or your electronics supply shop.
> They would know if anyone is hacking a wifi system.

hmmm... well not to worry, my dh is suprising me with Sprint dsl...
i hope i like it. 
They also sold him the "wireless card", what ever that is...
i hope i like that too!



Kristina

"Contentment lies within a (wo)man, in the heart: and
the way to be comfortable, is not by having our barns
filled, but our minds quiet.  The contented (wo)man, saith
Seneca, is the happy (wo)man: discontent is a fretting
humour which dries the brains, wastes the spirits,
corrodes and eats out the comfort of life: discontent
keeps a (wo)man from enjoying what (s)he doth possess."

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Re: WiFi ISP

[Dennis B. Swaney]

At 5:13 PM -0700 4/6/05, CR wrote:
Kristina,
I, of course, do not know where "out here in a soon to be
cornfield" is.
The sort of WiFi connection I have called Airlink tends to be, I think,
a kind mom-pop operation. Airlink doesn't advertise. Making it gradually
on word of mouth  in a mountainous area with pockets of residences
unreachable by cable or dsl.
I suggest you call your local or most local computer
store or service center/vendor or your electronics supply shop.
They would know if anyone is hacking a wifi system.
HTH
Cliff
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: Re: OT: free web hosts
From: Kristina Rost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on 4/4/05 8:55 PM, CR at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > I have a WiFi connection
 to a tower on top of a nearby mountain.
How can I find a WiFi connection to a tower out here in a soon to be
cornfield?
Kristina
now an ebay seller and needing dsl

Cliff & Kristina,
It sounds like Cliff's ISP uses the Motorola Canopy WiMax system. I 
just signed up with a local ISP that is fielding it here in my area 
of California; the install is in a couple of weeks. When they were 
testing to see the signal strength, the connection speed was around 
450 Kbps, IIRC, much better than my 28.8 Kbps connection on dial-up, 
and this was 13.8 miles from their access point on Boomer Mountain.

Cliff, does anything on this site look familiar? 
http://motorola.canopywireless.com

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Re: WiFi ISP

[CR]

Kristina,
I, of course, do not know where "out here in a soon to be
cornfield" is.
The sort of WiFi connection I have called Airlink tends to be, I think,
a kind mom-pop operation. Airlink doesn't advertise. Making it gradually
on word of mouth  in a mountainous area with pockets of residences
unreachable by cable or dsl.
I suggest you call your local or most local computer
store or service center/vendor or your electronics supply shop.
They would know if anyone is hacking a wifi system.
HTH
Cliff
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: Re: OT: free web hosts
From: Kristina Rost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on 4/4/05 8:55 PM, CR at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > I have a WiFi connection
 to a tower on top of a nearby mountain.
How can I find a WiFi connection to a tower out here in a soon to be
cornfield?
Kristina
now an ebay seller and needing dsl

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Re: Lombard not recognizing Wifi card

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 25/03/2005 21:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>Hello all,
>
>I'm new to this list but I've been on the swap-list for years.
>
>A client of mine has me investigating something strange on his Lombard,  
>333/512MB OS 9.2.2
>
>Proxim Skyline 802.11b PC Card for Notebooks
>
>I just did a re-format and re-install of 9.2.1 and updated to 9.2.2
>
>Next, I installed the drivers at  
>http://www.proxim.com/support/all/orinoco/software/ 
>dl2002_orinoco_client_r72_macos.html
>
>but the setup utility can't find the card, nor does the 'wireless' LED  
>on the card light up.
>
>I've tried zapping PRAM and resetting power manager, and going back to  
>8.6 with the stock CDs too.
>
>I also tried the IOXperts generic wifi drivers (www.ioxperts.com) which  
>also didn't report seeing a card.
>
>Lastly, I tried a NetGear 802.11b Wireless PC Card (MA 401), which also  
>wasn't recognized.
>
>
>Anyone have any tips?  Is there a way to 'reset' the PC Card slot? I  
>can't seem to find a way to make sure it's getting power.
>
>Thanks,
>-=Dennis=-
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Does the card have an LED? If so, it should blink as the computer
starts up.

Ken

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Re: Lombard not recognizing Wifi card

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 26/03/05 00:16, Dennis Wurster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm new to this list but I've been on the swap-list for years.
> 
> A client of mine has me investigating something strange on his Lombard,
> 333/512MB OS 9.2.2
> 
> Proxim Skyline 802.11b PC Card for Notebooks
> 
> I just did a re-format and re-install of 9.2.1 and updated to 9.2.2
> 
> Next, I installed the drivers at
> http://www.proxim.com/support/all/orinoco/software/
> dl2002_orinoco_client_r72_macos.html
> 
> but the setup utility can't find the card, nor does the 'wireless' LED
> on the card light up.
> 
> I've tried zapping PRAM and resetting power manager, and going back to
> 8.6 with the stock CDs too.
> 
> I also tried the IOXperts generic wifi drivers (www.ioxperts.com) which
> also didn't report seeing a card.
> 
> Lastly, I tried a NetGear 802.11b Wireless PC Card (MA 401), which also
> wasn't recognized.
> 
> 
> Anyone have any tips?  Is there a way to 'reset' the PC Card slot? I
> can't seem to find a way to make sure it's getting power.

If you use Apple System Profiler, is the card slot listed? Due to vibration
or a shock, it is possible that the card cage has been dislodged. I don't
know if the Lombard is similar to the Wallstreet, but when I replaced mine
on my previous Wallstreet, it had been a major undertaking, as I had to
completely disassemble the Wallstreet to get to the PC card cage...

-Laurent.
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Lombard not recognizing Wifi card

[Dennis Wurster]

Hello all,
I'm new to this list but I've been on the swap-list for years.
A client of mine has me investigating something strange on his Lombard,  
333/512MB OS 9.2.2

Proxim Skyline 802.11b PC Card for Notebooks
I just did a re-format and re-install of 9.2.1 and updated to 9.2.2
Next, I installed the drivers at  
http://www.proxim.com/support/all/orinoco/software/ 
dl2002_orinoco_client_r72_macos.html

but the setup utility can't find the card, nor does the 'wireless' LED  
on the card light up.

I've tried zapping PRAM and resetting power manager, and going back to  
8.6 with the stock CDs too.

I also tried the IOXperts generic wifi drivers (www.ioxperts.com) which  
also didn't report seeing a card.

Lastly, I tried a NetGear 802.11b Wireless PC Card (MA 401), which also  
wasn't recognized.

Anyone have any tips?  Is there a way to 'reset' the PC Card slot? I  
can't seem to find a way to make sure it's getting power.

Thanks,
-=Dennis=-
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Re: Ethernet WiFi adapters - from AirPort in TiBook ???

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 4, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Frank Cornew wrote:
What's the experience been with standalone ethernet to WiFi adapters? 
(beyond that they need external power) Can anyone recommend specific 
units? b or g, OSX or 9
For the USB ones you need drivers, D-link sells a usb adapter with an 
OS X driver.

for the external boxes, we've used both D-Link and Netgear models; 
they're largely plug-n-play with anything that's got an ethernet port.

One of them's connected to a laserjet in a difficult-to-wire corner.
If you want to access their advanced features, like WEP keys, etc, you 
need to use something capable of running a web browser, but they're 
great.

Any OS will work, since they simply appear to be a ethernet connection.
I used my 540C running 8.1 to configure the D-link ones...
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[Frank Cornew]

What's the experience been with standalone ethernet to WiFi adapters? 
(beyond that they need external power) Can anyone recommend specific 
units? b or g, OSX or 9

Looks like I need to go that route, and would like to get something 
that works without too much pain... First shot at a Linksys USB 
adapter appears to have been a deadend as I have been stumped in 
attempting to get a mac to network out of the USB port...

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Re: iBook & G-Mac server - WiFi functions ???

[Larry le Mac]

From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

BTW, I even think that 20-50KB/s on Caracho is very optimistic!
Sorry, I was being an idiot, I meant Kb/s !!!
I'm on 8Mb/s ADSL and I have friends with 10Mb/s connections,
i.e. the Carracho server.
At times I get up to 300Kb/s
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Re: iBook & G-Mac server - WiFi functions ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 14/01/05 14:33, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> ADSL-router-iBook-router-server
> 
> Bummer!!
> 
> But I suppose most Carracho servers produce an average
> transfer of 20-50KB/s, there isn't much of a problem on the
> 54MB/s line is there ?!?
> 

Not really. Remember that, in order for you to be able to download a file
from the Internet on your iBook and put it on your server, you need to have
one of your server's volume mounted on your iBook (that means file sharing).
So, basically, the file gets from the Internet through ADSL, then through
the router, then your iBook, then through the router again to finally end on
your server...

BTW, I even think that 20-50KB/s on Caracho is very optimistic!

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Re: iBook & G-Mac server - WiFi functions ???

[Larry le Mac]

From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

ADSL-router-iBook-router-server
Bummer!!
But I suppose most Carracho servers produce an average
transfer of 20-50KB/s, there isn't much of a problem on the
54MB/s line is there ?!?
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Re: iBook & G-Mac server - WiFi functions ???

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On 14/01/05 14:00, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am planning to have a G-Mac with 5 harddisks internally
> and two external FW disks, totalling about 1TB, to house
> my software, data, music, films etc.
> 
> I am then planning to buy a new iBook with AirPort so that
> I can do everything from anywhere in the house or in the
> garden without ties.
> 
> However,
> 
> Let's say I'm logged into a Carracho server with the iBook
> and have one of the servers disks mounted, then I download
> something from the server to the server's disk.
> 
> - Would the download then go:
> 
> ADSL-router-iBook-router-server   or directly to the server ???
> 

ADSL-router-iBook-router-server

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[Larry le Mac]

I am planning to have a G-Mac with 5 harddisks internally
and two external FW disks, totalling about 1TB, to house
my software, data, music, films etc.
I am then planning to buy a new iBook with AirPort so that
I can do everything from anywhere in the house or in the
garden without ties.
However,
Let's say I'm logged into a Carracho server with the iBook
and have one of the servers disks mounted, then I download
something from the server to the server's disk.
- Would the download then go:
ADSL-router-iBook-router-server   or directly to the server ???

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Re: Classic keeps losing WiFi Internet connection; OS X connection fine

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At 8:06 PM -0600 12/3/04, Charles Meyerson wrote:
Graphite iBook SE, running latest version of Jaguar. When connected to
our home wireless network -- either an original AirPort or a Netgear
WGR614 -- OS X software works flawlessly with the WiFi signal and the
greater Internet beyond.
But Classic-based programs (including Outlook Express, IE and printing
functions) loses the WiFi connection unpredictably -- sometimes within
a few minutes of connection, sometimes much longer. Only way to
restore connection is to restart Classic or the whole computer
altogether. And then the connection may again disappear quickly.
Any suggestions for getting Classic to stay connected -- at least as
well as OS X?
Very strange, OS X provides the network access, Classic just uses the 
connection through OS X.  Are you running 9.2.2?  Best I can think of 
is to re-install Classic.
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[Charles Meyerson]

Sorry, but I must correct myself. Meant "latest version of PANTHER," not Jaguar.


On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:06:41 -0600, Charles Meyerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Graphite iBook SE, running latest version of Jaguar. When connected to
> our home wireless network -- either an original AirPort or a Netgear
> WGR614 -- OS X software works flawlessly with the WiFi signal and the
> greater Internet beyond.
> 
> But Classic-based programs (including Outlook Express, IE and printing
> functions) loses the WiFi connection unpredictably -- sometimes within
> a few minutes of connection, sometimes much longer. Only way to
> restore connection is to restart Classic or the whole computer
> altogether. And then the connection may again disappear quickly.
> 
> Any suggestions for getting Classic to stay connected -- at least as
> well as OS X?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> CM
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[Charles Meyerson]

Graphite iBook SE, running latest version of Jaguar. When connected to
our home wireless network -- either an original AirPort or a Netgear
WGR614 -- OS X software works flawlessly with the WiFi signal and the
greater Internet beyond.

But Classic-based programs (including Outlook Express, IE and printing
functions) loses the WiFi connection unpredictably -- sometimes within
a few minutes of connection, sometimes much longer. Only way to
restore connection is to restart Classic or the whole computer
altogether. And then the connection may again disappear quickly.

Any suggestions for getting Classic to stay connected -- at least as
well as OS X?

Thanks.

CM

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[John]

Dan K wrote:
I was intrigued by this thought, so went down to my basement shop and 
looked over a pair of TiBooks, a 500 mHz and a 1 gHz (just shells 
actually) to see if there was any discernable difference between the 
antenna arraigements.

Honestly, I can't see anything that looks to be significant. While the 
antenna boards are not the same parts, they have the same circuitry (such 
as it is!) and location, the later boards being slightly smaller than the 
early ones. Also, there appears to be the same absence of anti-EMI 
coating under the plastic edge where they reside.

I think the main problem with TiBook reception is the antennae location, 
down low at the sides of the case where it's easy to block them with your 
hands or other radiation blockers. I have big hands that tend to flop 
over the side edges, so maybe reception problems are worse for those 
folks with larger hands, or those who rest their hands over those edges 
at any rate? OTOH . . .

Interestingly, just last night I rebuilt _another_ 667 DVI and it seems 
to have much better reception than did my old 667 DVI on its built-in 
antennae. Maybe I'm just dreaming . . . perhaps I better do some 
scientific tests to see what's up!
So I've narrowed my choices down to either a DVI TiBook, or G4 iBook 
(14"). Since my home is a smaller one level wood framed house, the 
furtherest I ever get away from my Sawtooth basestation isn't really 
more than 20', and I rarely use Airport outside the house. If I take it 
down to my shop, I have an iPAQ connection point that I don't get more 
than 30' from with no walls to interfere, so maybe Airport reception on 
the tiBook wouldn't be a real big deal. I have an external wifi card too 
if needed. And TiBooks have been around long enough to know what typical 
problems there are with them. OTOH, the G4 iBooks are still fairly new, 
so the jury is still out on those, but even used would likely still have 
a warranty and be eligable for Applecare. Tried and true versus new and 
unknown. Pretty tough call!
Opinions? Recommendations? First hand experience with the G4 iBook?
Also, other than eBay or the swap list, where would be a good place to 
look for a good used DVI TiBook?

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Dan K]

gianfranco sciacca wrote:
>> I had asked a similar question some time ago and what I gathered from 
>> the replies was that the airport issue was fixed with the 867/1000 
>> Titanium iteration. Maybe also the 800 was mentioned but I think the 
>> problem still existed in the 667.

MTH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>The airport range may have been improved in later models, but it is 
>still crap in all ti-books. You can get acceptable reception by getting 
>a third party wifi card with an external antennae.

I was intrigued by this thought, so went down to my basement shop and 
looked over a pair of TiBooks, a 500 mHz and a 1 gHz (just shells 
actually) to see if there was any discernable difference between the 
antenna arraigements.

Honestly, I can't see anything that looks to be significant. While the 
antenna boards are not the same parts, they have the same circuitry (such 
as it is!) and location, the later boards being slightly smaller than the 
early ones. Also, there appears to be the same absence of anti-EMI 
coating under the plastic edge where they reside.

I think the main problem with TiBook reception is the antennae location, 
down low at the sides of the case where it's easy to block them with your 
hands or other radiation blockers. I have big hands that tend to flop 
over the side edges, so maybe reception problems are worse for those 
folks with larger hands, or those who rest their hands over those edges 
at any rate? OTOH . . .

Interestingly, just last night I rebuilt _another_ 667 DVI and it seems 
to have much better reception than did my old 667 DVI on its built-in 
antennae. Maybe I'm just dreaming . . . perhaps I better do some 
scientific tests to see what's up!

dan k

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Frank P. Eigler]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, gianfranco sciacca wrote:

> >> Just to add my experience... I have both an 800MHz 15" Tibook and a
> >> 12" 867MHz AlBook using AP and AP Extreme respectively. I live in a
> >> duplex apt with 6" concrete floors and cinder block walls. I can take
> >> these books to any part of the house, upstairs or downstairs and I
> >> have all the arcs showing full reception. I'm using a Belkin wireless
> >> router as the transmitter and everything has been functioning without
> >> drops or loss.
> >
> > So IOW, it may not be a problem at all? I seem to recall reading
> > something about these along time ago, in reference to something inside
> > that gets dislocated that could cause poor reception too. Maybe the
> > antenna? As I remember, you could put whatever it was back into the
> > proper place and reception would be much improved. I think I might do
> > some googling on this..
>
> I had asked a similar question some time ago and what I gathered from
> the replies was that the airport issue was fixed with the 867/1000
> Titanium iteration. Maybe also the 800 was mentioned but I think the
> problem still existed in the 667.

I have the 867 myself and, though I have only my desktop G4 w/Airport for
comparison, I've not experienced any problems or signal weakness. Albeit
I'm not any where near pushing the 300 ft (?) limit. I'm in a 2nd floor
apartment and have been able to get  my signal (2-3 arcs) both in front
and out back. Shold I have a problem I'll likely resort to some of the
"shifting" or tapping" (?) tactics discussed elsewhere.

BTW - I too use a Belkin wireless router.

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[MTH]

On Oct 18, 2004, at 8:11 PM, gianfranco sciacca wrote:
Just to add my experience... I have both an 800MHz 15" Tibook and a 
12" 867MHz AlBook using AP and AP Extreme respectively. I live in a 
duplex apt with 6" concrete floors and cinder block walls. I can 
take these books to any part of the house, upstairs or downstairs 
and I have all the arcs showing full reception. I'm using a Belkin 
wireless router as the transmitter and everything has been 
functioning without drops or loss.
So IOW, it may not be a problem at all? I seem to recall reading 
something about these along time ago, in reference to something 
inside that gets dislocated that could cause poor reception too. 
Maybe the antenna? As I remember, you could put whatever it was back 
into the proper place and reception would be much improved. I think I 
might do some googling on this..
I had asked a similar question some time ago and what I gathered from 
the replies was that the airport issue was fixed with the 867/1000 
Titanium iteration. Maybe also the 800 was mentioned but I think the 
problem still existed in the 667.

cheers, gianfranco
The airport range may have been improved in later models, but it is 
still crap in all ti-books. You can get acceptable reception by getting 
a third party wifi card with an external antennae.


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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[gianfranco sciacca]

Just to add my experience... I have both an 800MHz 15" Tibook and a 
12" 867MHz AlBook using AP and AP Extreme respectively. I live in a 
duplex apt with 6" concrete floors and cinder block walls. I can take 
these books to any part of the house, upstairs or downstairs and I 
have all the arcs showing full reception. I'm using a Belkin wireless 
router as the transmitter and everything has been functioning without 
drops or loss.
So IOW, it may not be a problem at all? I seem to recall reading 
something about these along time ago, in reference to something inside 
that gets dislocated that could cause poor reception too. Maybe the 
antenna? As I remember, you could put whatever it was back into the 
proper place and reception would be much improved. I think I might do 
some googling on this..
I had asked a similar question some time ago and what I gathered from 
the replies was that the airport issue was fixed with the 867/1000 
Titanium iteration. Maybe also the 800 was mentioned but I think the 
problem still existed in the 667.

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[John]

dan_A wrote:

Just to add my experience... I have both an 800MHz 15" Tibook and a 12" 
867MHz AlBook using AP and AP Extreme respectively. I live in a duplex 
apt with 6" concrete floors and cinder block walls. I can take these 
books to any part of the house, upstairs or downstairs and I have all 
the arcs showing full reception. I'm using a Belkin wireless router as 
the transmitter and everything has been functioning without drops or loss.

So IOW, it may not be a problem at all? I seem to recall reading 
something about these along time ago, in reference to something inside 
that gets dislocated that could cause poor reception too. Maybe the 
antenna? As I remember, you could put whatever it was back into the 
proper place and reception would be much improved. I think I might do 
some googling on this..

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[dan_A]

On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Well, I can't really comment on Titanium PowerBooks since I've never 
used
one, but it's been widely mentioned that the Titanium alloy they used 
was
kind of blocking the WiFi reception.

Now, it seems that Aluminum doesn't have this problem. I have been 
using a
17" for about a month now and I find the WiFi reception as good as the 
one I
was getting on my previous PowerBook G3.

-Laurent.

Just to add my experience... I have both an 800MHz 15" Tibook and a 12" 
867MHz AlBook using AP and AP Extreme respectively. I live in a duplex 
apt with 6" concrete floors and cinder block walls. I can take these 
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the arcs showing full reception. I'm using a Belkin wireless router as 
the transmitter and everything has been functioning without drops or 
loss.

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 18/10/04 10:32, "Marcin Wichary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> As others have mentioned, the wifi reception is poor in all the TiBook
>> models.
> 
> Why is it so? Are AlBooks substantially better, better, or similar in
> this regard?

Well, I can't really comment on Titanium PowerBooks since I've never used
one, but it's been widely mentioned that the Titanium alloy they used was
kind of blocking the WiFi reception.

Now, it seems that Aluminum doesn't have this problem. I have been using a
17" for about a month now and I find the WiFi reception as good as the one I
was getting on my previous PowerBook G3.

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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 4:32 pm +0200 18/10/04, Marcin Wichary wrote:
Why is it so? Are AlBooks substantially better, better, or similar 
in this regard?
I have heard so - and I hope so as I'm replacing my TiBook with a new 
a aluminium model next week! Wireless reception on my TiBook varies 
considerably, depending on position or even rotation. This has been 
discussed many times here.
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Re: TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Marcin Wichary]

As others have mentioned, the wifi reception is poor in all the TiBook
models.
Why is it so? Are AlBooks substantially better, better, or similar in 
this regard?

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TiBook 667 ID and wifi reception

[Dan K]

was "Re: iBook going back to Apple"

John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have the chance to buy a 15" G4/667 Powerbook with Airport, DVD, 20Gb 
>drive, and 512mb RAM, but the seller doesn't seem to be familier with 
>Powerbooks and can't tell me what particular model this is, and I have 
>to admit that I'm not all that familier with them either. He does 
>mention some slight paint chipping around the optical drive slot on the 
>front, but it's otherwise in great condition, and the screen has no bad 
>pixels. Would it be new enough to be an Albook, or would it be a Ti? I 
>can get it for about $900. Does that sound like a reasonable price?

With a 20GB drive, it's probably a second generation TiBook (Onyx 550/667 
non-DVI):
<http://lowendmac.com/pb2/g4-guide.html>

Easy way to tell pre-DVI 667 from DVI 667 is to open the back flap and 
check for the video out type connector, VGA or DVI. Also, the pre-DVI has 
an infrared port on the back, DVI does not. The DVI model is worth more, 
its 133mHz bus, L3 cache and faster video chip add considerable speed.

US$800-900 is about the going rate for a pre-DVI 667 TiBook, per the 
market-maker eBay. The AP card is itself worth ~$100 these days so your 
deal is decent though not super-cheap. But as with all items of this 
nature, the vendor's warranty, support and reputation are the most 
important things.

As others have mentioned, the wifi reception is poor in all the TiBook 
models. I got so fed up with the useless wifi in my 667 DVI I added a 
pair of antennae swiped from a clamshell iBook. Looks pretty crappy (and 
the antennae stick out rather inconveniently) but the reception is 
outstanding!:
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/macdan/images/ti_wifi.jpg>

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Re: WiFi dies under Classic

[Andrew Kershaw]

Classic networking doesn't directly access the hardware, it accesses 
the network through OS X.  That means that the Open Transport stack 
is unloading for some reason.  Try disabling any non-OS 9 extensions 
and control panels.
It's probably not the OT kernel.  Although OT under 9.1 was hardly 
stable (the TCP/IP stack would die on me frequently), it's very 
stable in 9.2.x.

It's probably the AirPort driver in Classic that's causing the 
problem and not OT.  See my previous post for more details.  Remember 
that he said that AirPort would stop seeing any networks.  AirPort 
doesn't need OT to see networks - you can see any number of networks 
(and connect to any of them) even with TCP/IP (and the rest of OT) 
completely disabled.  OT only comes into play when you set AppleTalk 
to your AirPort connection or point TCP/IP to your AirPort 
connection...

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Re: WiFi dies under Classic

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At 7:12 PM -0500 7/9/04, Charlie Meyerson wrote:
For several months, our Graphite iBook (G3/466 Mhz, original AirPort
card) has worked fine with our home wireless network (Apple AirPort
originally, now Netgear WiFi G hub).
Recently, though, Classic applications on the iBook have sporadically
(sometimes several times an hour) lost their WiFi connection. (OS X
connectivity continues.) Only way to restore it is to force-quit and
restart Classic or restart the machine altogether.
The problem seems independent of the WiFi transmitter, so I suspect
some sort of software configuration.
Classic networking doesn't directly access the hardware, it accesses 
the network through OS X.  That means that the Open Transport stack 
is unloading for some reason.  Try disabling any non-OS 9 extensions 
and control panels.
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Re: WiFi dies under Classic

[Andrew Kershaw]

Thanks, Drew. Yup, am using WEP. How does that come into play?
I've found that there's a subtle bug in AirPort when using WEP.  From 
time to time, AirPort will somehow forget that it's connected to a 
network and will refuse to see any networks whatsoever.  This only 
happens when I'm connected to a network using WEP.  It doesn't happen 
when I turn WEP off.

I have found a workaround that prevents this from happening.  Namely, 
to maintain a constant connection, I have to keep the control strip 
expanded with the AirPort control strip module visible.  Even then, I 
sometimes drop my connection when waking from sleep.  The fix to 
recover my connection is to turn AirPort off, then turn it back on 
again.  It comes back up just fine.

I should note that this is happening in Mac OS 9.2.2 (as opposed to 
Classic).  I don't run OS X, so I can't say if this is really what's 
happening to you.

I also don't know if it would help to completely disable the control 
strip (as opposed to just collapsing it).

Peace,
Drew
 >
 Are you using WEP?
 Next time, instead quiting Classic, try just cycling AirPort in
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Re: WiFi dies under Classic

[Charlie Meyerson]

Thanks, Drew. Yup, am using WEP. How does that come into play?

CM

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> 
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> Classic (turn AirPort off and on inside Classic).
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Re: WiFi dies under Classic

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Recently, though, Classic applications on the iBook have sporadically
(sometimes several times an hour) lost their WiFi connection. (OS X
connectivity continues.) Only way to restore it is to force-quit and
restart Classic or restart the machine altogether.
The problem seems independent of the WiFi transmitter, so I suspect
some sort of software configuration.
Are you using WEP?
Next time, instead quiting Classic, try just cycling AirPort in 
Classic (turn AirPort off and on inside Classic).

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WiFi dies under Classic

[Charlie Meyerson]

For several months, our Graphite iBook (G3/466 Mhz, original AirPort
card) has worked fine with our home wireless network (Apple AirPort
originally, now Netgear WiFi G hub).

Recently, though, Classic applications on the iBook have sporadically
(sometimes several times an hour) lost their WiFi connection. (OS X
connectivity continues.) Only way to restore it is to force-quit and
restart Classic or restart the machine altogether.

The problem seems independent of the WiFi transmitter, so I suspect
some sort of software configuration.

Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Charlie Meyerson

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Re: Sourceforge WiFi Driver

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 10:36 PM -0700 6/21/04, Clark Martin wrote:

>At 7:02 PM -0600 6/21/04, Bob wrote:
>
> >There's no question whether the sourceforge driver works or not, it's
> >just a matter of limitations and how many there are. I was busy
> >slaying dragons last night and ran across the answers to my
> >questions. The thing that makes this driver difficult is that it's
> >open source and is constantly being improved. So, what might have
> >been true (and logged as such) 3 or 4 weeks ago, may not necessarily
> >be true today.
>
>
>3 or 4 weeks  I've been using the latest version of the driver,
>1.0.0b5, for over a year now.  The info page was last updated over
>two years ago.

Yeah, I know. The documentation with the driver is for OS 10.1. :-)

But I was actually referring to *my* logging of information, which 
also comes from input from other users (like this list, for 
instance). So -- hypothetically speaking -- what you or I may say 
about an open source item may not still be true several weeks or 
months from now, depending on how much activity there is in its 
improvement.

Even though FreePPP wasn't open source (but freeware), I remember how 
quickly changes occurred in it during one particular stretch of time.

>If you know of a newer version I'd be happy to hear about it!

I'm not in X right, but I think I'm using b5 or b5.1.

> >Nonetheless, this is the information they are expounding currently:
> >
> >* The driver supports AppleTalk over IP but will not yet allow
> >printing to AppleTalk printers. We are working to fix this. To
> >connect to other Macs type: afp://ip-address in the connect to server
> >dialog (e.g. afp://10.0.1.3).
>
>
>afp://ip-address is not AppleTalk over IP, it's AppleSHARE over IP.
>Big difference.  AppleShare can be used over AppleTalk or over IP but
>it's not AppleTalk over IP.  You can do AppleTalk over IP but it's
>something else altogether.

Their explanation, not mine. But thanks for the clarification. It's 
beginning to look more and more like the IOXperts driver is a much 
better choice.

Thanks Clark,

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Re: Sourceforge WiFi Driver

[Clark Martin]

At 7:02 PM -0600 6/21/04, Bob wrote:
There's no question whether the sourceforge driver works or not, it's
just a matter of limitations and how many there are. I was busy
slaying dragons last night and ran across the answers to my
questions. The thing that makes this driver difficult is that it's
open source and is constantly being improved. So, what might have
been true (and logged as such) 3 or 4 weeks ago, may not necessarily
be true today.

3 or 4 weeks  I've been using the latest version of the driver, 
1.0.0b5, for over a year now.  The info page was last updated over 
two years ago.

If you know of a newer version I'd be happy to hear about it!
Nonetheless, this is the information they are expounding currently:
* The driver supports AppleTalk over IP but will not yet allow
printing to AppleTalk printers. We are working to fix this. To
connect to other Macs type: afp://ip-address in the connect to server
dialog (e.g. afp://10.0.1.3).

afp://ip-address is not AppleTalk over IP, it's AppleSHARE over IP. 
Big difference.  AppleShare can be used over AppleTalk or over IP but 
it's not AppleTalk over IP.  You can do AppleTalk over IP but it's 
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Re: Sourceforge WiFi Driver

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 7:22 AM -0700 6/21/04, Jeff Hubatka wrote:

> > Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:45:04 -0600
> > From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Sourceforge WiFi Driver
> >
> > I ran across the following information on another list. I know there
> > are a number of users on this list that currently use, or have had in
> > the past used, the Sourceforge wireless driver. I like to get some
> > verification that this information is true or not (the specific card
> > was not indicated):
> >
> > Under OS X, the Orinoco card works (mostly) if you use the free
> > wirelessdriver from Sourceforge. (My paraphrasing follows: WEP
> > encryption and AppleTalk do not work with this driver.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
>I have used it on a Lombard, Pismo, and TiBook with a Lucent WaveLAN
>Gold card (same card, earlier vendor). I haven't tried AppleTalk
>because my DLink wireless router doesn't support it.

There's no question whether the sourceforge driver works or not, it's 
just a matter of limitations and how many there are. I was busy 
slaying dragons last night and ran across the answers to my 
questions. The thing that makes this driver difficult is that it's 
open source and is constantly being improved. So, what might have 
been true (and logged as such) 3 or 4 weeks ago, may not necessarily 
be true today.

Nonetheless, this is the information they are expounding currently:

* The driver supports AppleTalk over IP but will not yet allow 
printing to AppleTalk printers. We are working to fix this. To 
connect to other Macs type: afp://ip-address in the connect to server 
dialog (e.g. afp://10.0.1.3).

* If you have installed the latest version of the driver, both WEP 
and selection of closed networks are now supported for certain 
cards!! (They indicate which cards are supported)

* The thing that *really* frosts my cake is that the Apple Internet 
Connect app does not recognize the sourceforge driver, thus the 
Airport menu-bar icon and menu are not available when using that 
driver. If I find out that Internet Connect recognizes the IOXperts 
driver, that might just be enough to push me into paying for it.

The final thing that I found very disappointing was apparently no OS 
X "stumbler" seems to support wireless PCMCIA  cards. That has 
nothing to do with the sourceforce driver, but it's really 
aggravating. I hope somebody proves me wrong on that one.

Anyway, that's the latest scoop as I have run across it.

Later,

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Re: Sourceforge WiFi Driver

[Jeff Hubatka]

Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:45:04 -0600
From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sourceforge WiFi Driver
I ran across the following information on another list. I know there
are a number of users on this list that currently use, or have had in
the past used, the Sourceforge wireless driver. I like to get some
verification that this information is true or not (the specific card
was not indicated):
Under OS X, the Orinoco card works (mostly) if you use the free
wirelessdriver from Sourceforge. (My paraphrasing follows: WEP
encryption and AppleTalk do not work with this driver.)
Thanks,
Bob
I have used it on a Lombard, Pismo, and TiBook with a Lucent WaveLAN 
Gold card (same card, earlier vendor). I haven't tried AppleTalk 
because my DLink wireless router doesn't support it.

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Sourceforge WiFi Driver

[Bob]

I ran across the following information on another list. I know there 
are a number of users on this list that currently use, or have had in 
the past used, the Sourceforge wireless driver. I like to get some 
verification that this information is true or not (the specific card 
was not indicated):

Under OS X, the Orinoco card works (mostly) if you use the free 
wirelessdriver from Sourceforge. (My paraphrasing follows: WEP 
encryption and AppleTalk do not work with this driver.)

Thanks,

Bob


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WiFi on Old PowerBooks -- Yes You Can!!

[Bob]

I realize this is a G3 list and that there's another list for pre-G3 
PowerBook list. However some on this list may have pre-G3 'books in 
the closet. Or you may have friends or relatives with older units. 
The following information might take these old PBs out of the dust 
bunnies and back into useful service. If this is rehashed news on the 
list, I apologize.

Normally people think of wireless communication (i.e. IEEE803.11b/g 
or Airport) in terms of G3 PowerBooks and newer. But those of you 
that have 3400, 1400, even 5300 or 190 PowerBooks, you can utilize 
current technology with your legacy units.

The following is a URL giving you step-by-step instructions on how to 
get things up and running, plus links to find practically everything 
you need to do it.



I hope this proves useful to some of you.

Bob

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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[plain*clothes]

Is there an advantage to connecting the printer directly to the 
router? (maybe no desktop at the router?)
precisely -- for now, I'm 100% portable. the old desktop is retired 
(awaiting some upgrades), and the 17" G4 'book is serving me well. now 
that I'm fully engulfed in the portable life, I would hate being 
tethered to the desk for printing! ;)

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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[Jeff Hubatka]

From: "Dan Colwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ...WiFi why?.
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:57:13 -0600
"a router that will let you print to a USB printer connected to the
router" I'm not sure if I am following this exactly.
First, my situation. I use a Belkin router that has wireless (b) and 4
ethernet ports. My daughter has an iMac with an Epson USB printer. My 
son
hooks up his PC via ethernet and I use my Pismo w/ an airport card. I 
can
easily print over the network to my daughters Epson from my Pismo. No
running back to her desk every time I need to use it. So yes, with a 
Belkin
(for $40 from Best Buy) I can print using this USB printer.
Second, my question. Is there an advantage to connecting the printer
directly to the router? (maybe no desktop at the router?) Or is my 
situation
what you meant. My router happens to have a USB port, but I thought it 
was
for the internet connection. I'm at work, so can't look at the manual 
until
I get home.

Thanks for any enlightenment,
Dan-
If the printer is hooked up directly to the router then the iMac 
wouldn't need to be running for others to print. I have a Canon inkjet 
hooked up to my iMac and when I want to print something in color I have 
to go wake it up.

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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[Clark Martin]

At 5:08 PM -0700 5/20/04, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, plain*clothes wrote:
 > I don't think any other mfr. has a router that will let you print to a
 > USB printer connected to the router like the airport extreme. If there
 > is, I'd like to know.
 that's my concern as well. I'll be purchasing a wireless station in the
 next few weeks, but I haven't had time to do much research. wireless
 USB would be a huge benefit in my studio, since it would keep me from
 running back into the office every time I need to print to my laser. I
 don't like the price of Apple's model, but that is a big advantage.
One reason why I am seriously considering purchasing an HP 5850 - it's
802.11b out of the box!
I have that printer.  I tested it out using wireless but have it 
connected wired.  That's mainly because there was already an Ethernet 
connection there from the previous printer.  I like the printer.  It 
takes a while before it starts to print but it works fine otherwise.

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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[Timothy J. Luoma]

Yes the advantage is that you can print to it w/o any other computer being  
connected to the printer.  That means that there does not need to be a  
computer plugged in/turned on for the printer to work.

Many routers/cable modems have USB connectors but they are only for  
network connection, not peripherals.

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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[Dan Colwell]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 plain*clothes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think any other mfr. has a router that will let you print to a USB 
printer connected to the router like the airport extreme. If there is, I'd 
like to know.
that's my concern as well. I'll be purchasing a wireless station in the 
next few weeks, but I haven't had time to do much research. wireless USB 
would be a huge benefit in my studio, since it would keep me from running 
back into the office every time I need to print to my laser. I don't like 
the price of Apple's model, but that is a big advantage.

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"a router that will let you print to a USB printer connected to the 
router" I'm not sure if I am following this exactly.
First, my situation. I use a Belkin router that has wireless (b) and 4 
ethernet ports. My daughter has an iMac with an Epson USB printer. My son 
hooks up his PC via ethernet and I use my Pismo w/ an airport card. I can 
easily print over the network to my daughters Epson from my Pismo. No 
running back to her desk every time I need to use it. So yes, with a Belkin 
(for $40 from Best Buy) I can print using this USB printer.
Second, my question. Is there an advantage to connecting the printer 
directly to the router? (maybe no desktop at the router?) Or is my situation 
what you meant. My router happens to have a USB port, but I thought it was 
for the internet connection. I'm at work, so can't look at the manual until 
I get home.

Thanks for any enlightenment,
Dan-
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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

[Frank P. Eigler]

On Thu, 20 May 2004, plain*clothes wrote:

> > I don't think any other mfr. has a router that will let you print to a
> > USB printer connected to the router like the airport extreme. If there
> > is, I'd like to know.
>
> that's my concern as well. I'll be purchasing a wireless station in the
> next few weeks, but I haven't had time to do much research. wireless
> USB would be a huge benefit in my studio, since it would keep me from
> running back into the office every time I need to print to my laser. I
> don't like the price of Apple's model, but that is a big advantage.

One reason why I am seriously considering purchasing an HP 5850 - it's
802.11b out of the box!
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Re: ...WiFi why?.....

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On 5/20/04 12:51 PM, "plain*clothes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I don't think any other mfr. has a router that will let you print to a
>> USB printer connected to the router like the airport extreme. If there
>> is, I'd like to know.
> 
> that's my concern as well. I'll be purchasing a wireless station in the
> next few weeks, but I haven't had time to do much research. wireless
> USB would be a huge benefit in my studio, since it would keep me from
> running back into the office every time I need to print to my laser. I
> don't like the price of Apple's model, but that is a big advantage.
> 
There are a number of wireless USB printer servers available in the $50-$100
range and what they lack in Mac friendliness and documentation they can make
up for in price. After my original base station died this winter I did some
research and finally decided to buy another from Apple for three reasons:

1) it integrated the USB printer server with the base station and that made
it about $40 more expensive than the other stations/servers I was looking at

2) Apple's software which makes setting it up a breeze - but to be honest it
isn't hard to set up a D-Link or any other station. They use a web browser
rather than a friendly Mac program

3) firmware issues - oftentimes companies just don't get around to issuing
firmware upgrades that don't require a PC. Sure, I have a PC at home but the
less I have to use it the happier I am, and I really prefer keeping it
segregated from the internet.

When you buy be sure to do your research. There are some printers that
cannot be served and some that can be served in the PC world but not the
Mac.

david




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