[ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] Africare Looking for Open Source Developers, Integrators, Partners etc
Forwarded Message placed below. Interested individuals/ parties may please contact Arun Mathur or Pooja Chatrath directly. anand -- Forwarded message -- From: Arun Mathur arun.mat...@africare.co Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:55 AM Subject: CRM To: Anand Shankar anandshankar.em...@gmail.com Cc: Pooja Chatrath pooja.chatr...@aquastemlife.com Dear Anand As discussed yesterday my company moving towards adaptation of various Open Source (O/S) software applications. In this scenario we are looking. For any agency who can support us in implementation of SugarCRM or any competitive O/S solution which can work as best-fit for our organization. Am not biased towards SugarCRM, yes heard only good thing about it. Below is contact detail of Ms Pooja Chatrath, who is my counterpart in India Pooja Chatrath General Manager - IT Aqua Stem Life 0124-4917880 +91-8373909979 pooja.chatr...@aquastemlife.com By keeping holistic approach step by step we would like to cover following verticals globally: 1. Diagnostics: a. Pathology (in various geography can be outside India also) b. Radiology (in various geography can be outside India also) c. Clinics (in house/ outside) (in various geography can be outside India also) 2. Mother Child hospitals (in various geography of India) 3. Cord Blood Banking (www.cryobanksinida.com) 4. Reno Care 5. Aqua Stem Life 6. Pharmacy a. Distributor channel or OTC route b. In house c. Outsourced 7. Lab Management for third party owned hospitals. Let me give brief of upcoming challenges also. As two major software applications are already running, so interfacing with these two application is very important in our case. (1) ERP as Axapta 2012 (2) Home Grown customised Lab Information Management System. Both are based on .net platform using MS SQL and Oracle respectively. Immediately after CRM we will look for Document Management System (DMS) and BI tool. Regards Arun Mathur Head IT, Healthcare Business M: +254 789 479263 http://www.africare.co ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Disk Failure in LVM
In a LVM implementation on RAID 0 disks, if a disk fails and new disk is put in place of the failed disk, do we have a method of restoring data on the failed disk? anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Back to the drawing board - A requiem to a man I never knew
It has been a terrible and shocking loss to all of us. Like many on the list, I received his guidance on numerous occasions which changed my IT software vision for ever. Way back in 1995, I was struggling with my first slackware install, but for Raj, my network card would have never come up and my linux journey would'nt have begun. I recall my earliest association with him on dontpanic, Raj's Linux based BBS [the only BBS which provided linux shell access!!]. The hostname Raj chose for his BBS, clearly indicated his passionate personality. Clearly, dont remember Raj in panic any time, ever so cool and with sharp wits, sparking ideas would emerge !! His firm convictions on Free and Open Source, passionate and convincing words, resonate very often in my own work. I am sure, his work has triggered many a top notch FOSS entrepreneurs, and in that sense, his work continues. My deepest condolences and prayers to the Almighty to help his family bear the grave irreparable loss. anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Searchable PDF/A files
PDF/A has been developed as an open standard ( ISO:19005 ) with an objective for long term storage and archiving of documents. Such archived documents would have immense value if the content therein is searchable. I understand there are a number of solutions available to generate PDF/A documents. Noteable solutions in the FOSS world: LibreOffice can export documents in PDF/A-1a format, iText Library in Jasper reports can also produce PDF/A compliant PDF documents. Recently, HP Multi Function Printers: HP MFP 4555 have started giving option to scan to PDF/A. However, these scanned files are image PDFs and are not searchable. I am looking for a method to convert such image based PDF/A compliant PDF files to searchable PDF files so that when these documents are stored in a Document Management system, these files will become very valuable as the search can then be done on the content of these scanned files. Perhaps the scanned PDF/A files generated by HP MFP 4555's do not have OCR'd text. Tesseract has been one of the powerful OCR engines in the FOSS world. Several addons for tesseract are also available at http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/wiki/AddOns . But I am unable to find if there is a way to generate text searchable PDF files using tesseract with scanned PDF/A as input files. Can any one share their experience in generating searchable text in scanned PDF files?? anand Anand Shankar ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] DSC Registration for efiling
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:44 PM, krish wrote: If u see the standards .pfx file is a pkcs12 file which contains the public key as well as the private key!! Am i wrong that innocent guys must have uploaded their private keys to the income tax department? I wish to stand corrected. Just took a closer look at http://hcpldsc.com/IT%20returns%20pdf/IT%20Return%20Without%20E-Token.pdf and it looks like although the private key is uploaded it still asks for its passphrase ( shown with password dialog in pdf ) Thats a good illustration of using a .pfx file for DSC registration. But come on, all that encrypted keys are being taken as secure with a simple password acting as the watchguard !! We all are too familiar with the secure password keeping and the simple default passwords kept by so many. I still do not believe that a Private Key needs to be uploaded in any case. There is still something missing because Department of Income Tax has also published a writeup for registering DSCs. https://incometaxindiaefiling.gov.in/portal/downloads10-11/itr/Procedure for Registration of Digital Signature and Upload of Income Tax Returns using Digital Signature.pdf On Page 3 and 4 of this document they also mention the new Interoperability guidelines issued by CCA, Govt of India. In essence, what they say is that the DSC .pfx file should include the PAN number encrypted. http://cca.gov.in/rw/resource/dsc_guidelines_r2_4.pdf?download=true On Page 50 of this document it states, for the Serial Number Attribute of the end user DSC: This attribute should be populated with the SHA 256 hash of the PAN number of the end user. The hash must be calculated for the PAN number after deleting all leading and trailing blanks. In case PAN has not been provided, this field must be omitted It seems, DSCs are still being issued without PAN encryption as required above, nor there is guidance as to how to do it. I am doubly sure that CCA can not make this mistake of approving uploading Private Keys. But perhaps there are'nt as many technically aware users who tried this route, so might have erred in their procedure. I wont suggest jumping to a conclusion right away, but perhaps some more experienced users can throw some light. Since I tried, there are some issues for the FOSS guys to take note of: 1. The site application requires Sun JRE. I ignored this, assuming that the applet can run based on Icedtea / openjdk that my Fedora 14 system has, is a good and acceptable FOSS alternate. It was able to successfully upload the DSC, but could not sign the XML. It generated an error stating Unexpected error: netscape.javascript.JSObject cannot be cast to java.lang.String . On my Ubuntu 10.04 however, I could'nt even upload the DSC. 2. There is an excellent tool KeyManager, which is a Firefox addon [ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/key-manager/ ]. This includes an excellent writeup on the whole process and is a must read. Sudev: Please refer http://www.cryer.co.uk/file-types/p/pfx.htm for PFX primer. PFX and PKCS#12 are related, in fact the Wikipedia article on the subject PKCS says that PFX is a predecessor to PKCS#12. For more details: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms867088.aspx Here it also says that you can export a .pfx file without the Private Key. End of the day, it still seems, implementations of digital signing of Web based forms, need to have a more closer look for safety and more User Friendly documents need to be in place. anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] DSC Registration for efiling
Have any of you done your income tax efiling with digital signature? Strangely it asks you to register your digital signature certificate (DSC) before you proceed. That appears to be genuine that they want my CA certified Public Key and digital signature. What appears to be strange is that they are asking to upload the DSC through a .pfx file or the usb token. If u see the standards .pfx file is a pkcs12 file which contains the public key as well as the private key!! Am i wrong that innocent guys must have uploaded their private keys to the income tax department? I wish to stand corrected. Anand -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] CUPS setup: IPP and VLAN requirements
I need to setup a CUPS Print Server in a Corporate Environment. The requirement is that the CUPS Print Server is to be setup in a Zone-B VLAN [Say Network-B], whereas the actual printer is in a Zone-A VLAN [Say Network-A]. I understand IPP [Internet Printing Protocol] support needs to be enabled for the CUPS Server and I need to somehow tunnel the CUPS/IPP traffic from VLAN-B to VLAN-A. Can some one share his thoughts / experiences in this regard? anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux + Active Directory ?
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Mayank mail2may...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried Fedora Directory Server ? Regards, Mayank ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd While on the subject it is important to follow the FreeIPA project. They have support for Windows Clients in the roadmap, which should follow after release of FreeIPA v2. From their Website: http://freeipa.org/page/Main_Page What is FreeIPA? * FreeIPA is an integrated security information management solution combining Linux (Fedora), 389 (formerly known as Fedora Directory Server), MIT Kerberos, NTP, DNS. It consists of a web interface and command-line administration tools. * In IPA v2 we added DNS and Dogtag Certificate Server, enhanced administrative framework, added support for host identities, netgroups, automount per location and more. anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer
Guys, see the more relevant discussion here including the BoM: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/competition/the_real_35_tablet_from_india.html anand ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [OT] Any one Using / Deploying Alfresco?
Do we have guys on the list or otherwise within NCR territory who have used / deployed / etc Alfresco Document / Web Content Management System? How has been the experience in maintaining / developing solutions on Alfresco for a large setup? Do we have an active community around Alfresco in Delhi-NCR / India? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Any one Using / Deploying Alfresco?
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Kishore Bhargava kish...@linkaxis.com wrote: On 11/11/09 22:07, Anand Shankar wrote: Do we have guys on the list or otherwise within NCR territory who have used / deployed / etc Alfresco Document / Web Content Management System? How has been the experience in maintaining / developing solutions on Alfresco for a large setup? Do we have an active community around Alfresco in Delhi-NCR / India? Hi! Anand, Have done two deployments of Alfresco. Its not too bad. But the community edition changes very rapidly and needs a lot maintenance. I did come across someone who said there is even an official partner of Alfresco in India. One of the easiest setups is to just use it as a file share replacement. Windows boxes see is this a share and over and above that you do get the whole web interface as a bonus. Better than deploying a Samba server. And for those who need it, it will talk to any LDAP including an active directory server. Not heard of SIGs or community around this as yet. Cheers...Kishore -- We have begun our installation and are playing with it. We are trying to now map our network shares on to a document tree under alfresco. Was just trying to figure out people in and around delhi with who we can network and look for a community support subsequently. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Source tool for Knowledge management
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, bipin sartape bipin...@yahoo.com wrote: hello gopal, i am also working on km implementation for our organisation. to begin with we have started with Plone because of the array of features it offers. however the learning curve is very steep. --- On Tue, 10/20/09, gopal krishna mgopal_kris...@yahoo.com wrote: I would like to understand the buzz of KM from a technology / product perspective: How is it different then employing a Web Content Management System / Document Management System PLUS a Business Intelligence Tool So lets say you deployed Joomla / Plone / Alfresco / etal with Pentaho BI etc Is it then Knowledge Management Deployment solution or is it something more?? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ILUGD meeting: 6.30pm, Fri., 23rd Oct., 2009, SIT, JNU
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Event: ILUG-Delhi meeting Date: Fri., Oct. 23rd, 2009 Time: 6.30pm Any specific reason to choose Friday, a working day?? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Definition for Computer Literate Person
Dear List: Jokes apart, is there any agreed definition of what constitutes a Computer Literate person? I know the definition can vary by context. More specifically I am looking for a definition which can fit the requirements of a modern enterprise executive who is in no way related to Computers and IT. Looking for curriculum which have been implemented, evaluation and quizes etc. Does it include exposure to FOSS ? I think ideally it should focus more on the required skills and more importantly is platform agnostic to the extent practical. One search led me to a credible link which I am studying http://www.ischool.washington.edu/mlis/literacyreqs.aspx anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] dimdim anyone?
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: what's your experience with dimdim? -- niyam bhushan From Linux / FOSS perspective: Webcam detection and control is through Adobe Flash 9.0. :-( . I have a Webcam with USB Video Class support. I could not use it with DimDim. Webcam is otherwise detected and works out of the box. I installed Adobe Flash 10, but was still out of luck. This was abt 3mths back. I didnt check of late. Another vital difference with webex is that you can only see the presenter on screen, so if there are 6 participants, only one video that of the presenter is seen. The moderator has the privilege to designate a participant as the presenter. In my personal experience, there were audio issues. However, I will still prefer to have another test before passing a judgement. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Samba, AD and Windows clients
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Sunday 18 Jan 2009, Deependra Singh Shekhawat wrote: How about just AD. Can one mimic that using Linux, with all AD features? Say we get rid of Samba 4 (which is not an option due to its development status), is it possible to just have Linux work as an AD server in a Winduhs environment with all the bells and whistles that AD provides? Raj, just look at these discussions on freeipa users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2009-January/msg0.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2008-December/msg00035.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2008-December/msg00031.html Also, some thing like ipa-winsync is in works Very keenly looking for developments in this area. I think we are pretty close. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Hall of Shame: MTNL TrustLine
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) dines...@gmail.com wrote: Please look at this page. http://selfcare.mtnl.net.in/trustline/ http://selfcare.mtnl.net.in/trustline/Class2IndvProcedures.htm They should be put on Hall of Shame for their platform/browser requirement. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System I think there is some thing more to it. I suspect that USB tokens containing the Digital Certificates are Windows Only and the Private Key can not be exported out of the USB token. The IT Act 2000 does not mandate compulsorily the tokens, but I suspect most providers give such a token. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Exposing Internal Web Server to Public Network
Trying to find out whats the best possible way to expose an internal web server to internet, and what are the necessary safeguards to apply. The proposed scenario is that on a Web server hosted on DMZ, we have hyperlinks. If the user out on the internet clicks on these hyperlinks, the application/ webpages hosted on an internal web server (192.168.*.*) are presented to the end user. What are my options?? The problem came up when we ran short of a real IP Address and physical servers that can be placed in DMZ. Two stage PAT?? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Bonding two CDMA internet connections
was reading this article: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-bond-or-team-multiple-network-interfaces-nic-into-single-interface.html Thought whether it is possible to bond two ppp0 and ppp1 interfaces obtained through two USB Data Cards of the same ISP?? Wondering if any one tried that. The need is to have more bandwidth for playing streaming video. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] asus eeepc 4gb with linux spotted in delhi
Any feedback whether such devices can be of use for Enterprises? The marketing teams are advising against use of such products for Enterprises. I can't understand why - at least for guys using it for presentations, email, light word processing / spreadsheets and Browser based applications. I think the reason lies in the fact that Enterprise use is interpreted as Windows XP Professional Edition which can integrate and authenticate with Active Directory. The vendors are only providing Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, and which due to Microsoft Policy, is engineered not to be able to authenticate against Active Directory. So why not make Linux on such devices authenticate against Active Directory? Or for that matter we can probably use rdesktop for RDP connection to Enterprise Resources. And can these devices be made to boot from Network and a USB Device?? Probably these machines can also be used as Thin Clients. Any one tried a dual boot?? No wonder some reviews talk of them as Netbooks or some times client devices for Cloud Computing!! anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest [New]
An interesting refund .. Lenovo yet again!!! The biggest Czech Linux portal, AbcLinuxu.cz, reimbursed a user for a MS Windows Vista Business OEM license in Lenovo ČR's stead. The paid amount is the same the manufacturer offered for returning the license in accordance with the EULA of the Windows Vista Business OEM software that was supplied with the Lenovo laptop. However, Lenovo ČR required a non-disclosure agreement to be signed that would cover the entire negotiations with the company and its results for the compensation to be effected. http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/pr/abclinuxu.cz-vyplatil-nahradu-za-licenci-ms-windows-misto-lenovo-cr?page=1 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] A Basic LDAP Question
For large multi-site organisations, is there any norm as to how many LDAP servers (Masters + Slave) should be on the network, primary application being network authentication and authorisation. Point in perspective being, is it a good practice that every physical and geographically disparate site be equipped with a slave LDAP server? In a multi-master setup, is there any technical / practical issues limiting the number of multiple masters (eg max of 4)?? Any experience on using Windows XP Home Edition getting Network Authentication, using lets say MIT Kerberos? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Sify Vs Linux
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, As most of you are aware of my problem with Sify. The problem has not been solved yet. While I can access the Internet using Windows, I cannot do the same with GNU/Linux distros. Should I not file a case with Consumer Forum? What do you suggest? Any one on the list using SIFY connection? Do you face similar problem? Swapnil I trust consumer forum may not be the right place. Consumer Grievance cell (If there is one, I trust there should be one) at TRAI may be the right place. It SHOULD be treated as an obligation for service providers by TRAI. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] GPG Key Server
1. Wanted to set up a GPG Key Server inside my organisation intranet. I could not find an option to do that. Is it necessary / good idea to use a Public Key Server for such use? 2. Whether GPG signed emails / documents internal to the organisation are treated as 'legal' by auditors? 3. Or it is better to use more common X.509 certificates with an internal CA, where all keys are internal to the organisation, but counter-signed by Publicly verifiable key. Will this be acceptable to auditors? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Unrestricted Internet telephony?
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, looks like all those crappy restrictions on Internet Telephony (VoIP) are being done away with in on fell stroke! Now TRAI is recommending that any ISP be allowed to provide VoIP services and the air gap between VoIP and PSTN equipment is not mandatory anymore. Does that imply that I can terminate my CUG VoIP trunk on my PSTN connected EPABX? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Astrology interface
1. I could not get the Vedic Chart output despite choosing it as the option. 2. The chart shows Time Zone as -5:30 GMT, while default for India is +5.30 while filling the form. I havent checked whether this affects calculations, or is just a bug. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Whats the diff btwn USB Storage and Harddisk?
Whats the difference between a USB Storage Device [Pen Drive] and a regular harddisk, in so far as they present themselves to an Operating System and BIOS? The question springs from a fact that I was told: When we install an OS on the PenDrive, the concept of MBR is not what it is for a Hard disk. What it is then?? Is it different when we use a regular harddisk attached to a USB port, through an external casing? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS MS Exchange replacement
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the subject says, is there an all-FOSS MS Exchange server replacement? One that does mail and calendaring with LookOut at least. A built-in (or known to work) web-based mail and calendaring add-on would be nice to have Regards, -- Raju http://obm.org From their website: Quote General Overview After 8 years of development, OBM, is now recognized as the leader of GPL enterprise-class email and Groupware solution face to Microsoft Exchange(R) or Lotus Notes(R) and continues to evolve and offer new features. OBM is built on the most mature Open Source components with a modular architecture that is easily adaptable to customer's needs : - Services : Postfix, Cyrus IMAP, OpenLDAP, Squid, Apache - Language : PHP (IHM), Perl (Automation) - Synchronization, web services : Java OBM is licensed under the GNU General Public License, or GPL. Through this license, you can access the source code to explore, modify or contribute to the improvement of OBM. Unquote anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS MS Exchange replacement
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the subject says, is there an all-FOSS MS Exchange server replacement? One that does mail and calendaring with LookOut at least. A built-in (or known to work) web-based mail and calendaring add-on would be nice to have This one looks promising: http://www.open-xchange.org/ox/EN/community/download.htm However I am not sure of Outlook thing being FOSS compliant. I do'nt know but there could be WebServices based on MS Exchange, which can probably be used to translate proprietary calendaring info to standards compliant calendaring info, and this info could be served by a FOSS compliant server. We need some mechanism to interface the FOSS Compliant server to MS Exchange Server, though. I agree it is not 100% FOSS Solution, but for organisations who have sunk their money already, this could be a good transition. For those who havent, why bother? Wo'nt it be better, if we use MS Exchange with Open protocols enabled. I find most people do'nt use IMAP / POP3 on Exchange, but restrict to the proprietary RPC based protocol. I have seen successful working of Thunderbird with IMAP with MS Exchange as backend along with integration of addressbook to Active Directory. Next, a couple of users were also satisfied with Lightning Calendaring Extension for Thunderbird. What I havent seen yet is using Lightning with a third-party FOSS compliant Calendaring Server. I understand shared calendaring is a very small segment of users and if we could use Thunderbird with a third-party FOSS compliant Calendaring Server in sharing mode, I think the riddle is solved. Would like to get feedback of others in this regard. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for Performance Benchmarks
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Sharninder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you looking to measure performance of IO intensive workloads or CPU intensive workloads ? I haven't used sysmark and the other tools you have mentioned, but I'd guess that even these tools measure individual components of a system, assigning them relative values to come up with a value which they then label as the performance of the complete system relative to some other arbit. system. IO benchmarking tools like iozone or bonnie would help you. There are other similar tools for measuring samba, NFS, apache and database performance as well. HTH. -- Sharninder Thats all right. I wanted to have an evaluation framework such that I can develop a score so that I can rate a set of vendor equipment. Intent is to be able to develop a crieria for procurement. Thinking of this I thought about BogoMIPS, but is'nt suitable for the purpose. Dhrystone and whetstone are'nt valid tools for todays environment. SPECmark may be good but the following paragraph about it from wikipedia isnt encouraging: In order to use a benchmark, a license has to be purchased from SPEC; the costs vary from test to test with a typical range from several hundred to several thousand dollars. This pay-for-license model might seem to be in violation of the GPL as the benchmarks include software such as GCC that is licensed by the GPL. However, the GPL does not require software to be distributed for free, only that recipients be allowed to redistribute any GPLed software that they receive; the license agreement for SPEC specifically exempts items that are under licenses that require free distribution, and the files themselves are placed in a separate part of the overall software package. I was thinking of arriving at some score using a FOSS based tool, handy for anyone to find out his score and a third party to verify the same. Individual application scores viz: Databases; Webserver; Mailserver; Graphics etc are a matter of detail. Problem application at hand is a standard desktop benchmarking. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Looking for Performance Benchmarks
Do we have any performance benchmarks to compare performance of complete PC systems? In commercial world people have various benchmark tools such as Sysmark, webmark etc. But most of them look like application performance benchmark. Need to know raw performances as a single mark, which can be used to evaluate various systems on a linear scale. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Change of timezone City for India
Sorry to note that despite 31 posts on the thread there is no meaningful explanation I can offer on the subject to a serious audience. I think the issue deserves more serious thoughts rather than some frivolous comments seen in the thread. My take: Q: Why fix it ...? A: Just because every one asks this question and there is no ready plausible explanation. Q: Why NOT Kolkota? A: Most average users (Remember we have to do lots of advocacy) most commonly relate a country with its capital .. Political capital and no other capital. All other reasons have no serious plausible reason. Further can some one point to the relevant requirements under either POSIX Specifications or Linux Standards Base? Let us take the discussions to a more serious level. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Change of timezone City for India
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Naresh Narang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, NE region ought to be in a different timezone. They should be 30 min ahead. Now go beat this :-) Regards, -- Naresh Please propose this change to Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS). When that is approved as a national standard, we can then take this suggestion of yours. Till then we must not raise this issue here. It is not relevant yet. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: question is: when you 'sell' FOSS do you charge VAT or do you charge service tax. We recently 'bought' a FOSS package for 3 lakhs. We were charged service tax to the tune of 36,000. If we had 'bought' a proprietary package we would have paid sales tax at 4% or 12,000. (at that time there was no VAT in tamilnadu). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves DGSD (Directorate General of Supplies and Disposal, Government of India) has a rate contract for Redhat Enterprise Linux and Suse Enterprise Linux. If the above two are considered FOSS, as per the terms and conditions, the prices mentioned are inclusive of CST / 4% VAT. I believe the two are FOSS. And as per the GoI contract document, it is VAT instead of Service Tax!! If you were to emphasis interpret more closely /emphasis, it means most Government Departments are ending up buying FOSS, and that too as a Proprietary Software!!! In fact, it seems it is easier for the seller to propose them as Proprietary Software, and buyer to ask the seller saying that it is a Proprietary Software, to facilitate easy purchase within his organisation. All for the Government records!!! Moreover I am not sure how many purchase officers can tell the difference between the two and how. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for USB based SIP Phone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anand Shankar wrote: Looking for cheap USB based SIP Phone for use with Asterisk. why usb and not Ethernet ? If it really is a phone, its going to have its own network stack and its own sip implementation. so I'm not 1. I thought it would be more affordable. 2. Lesser IP Addresses required for large installations. 3. Convenient to carry the phone along and use it from anywhere in the network. But seeing the convergence of GSM Phones having WiFi Ethernet and the possibility of using a Soft SIP Phone, seems to be an attractive proposition. On second thoughts, is similar thing also possible using Bluetooth based SIP Phones. We can have Bluetooth Access Points on the network, that way probably cheaper phones can have sip connectivity. Nokia N Series / E Series phones having WiFi Ethernet + SIP, are still not affordable enough. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for USB based SIP Phone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anand Shankar wrote: 3. Convenient to carry the phone along and use it from anywhere in the network. you only really need a sound device so any headset will do really. :D Actually most users do not feel comfortable using the headset in an office environment. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for USB based SIP Phone
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Manpreet Singh Nehra Try Nokia E series phones. I have used it so i can confirm it works --MSN So u confirm that Nokia E-Series Phones can be used as a generic SIP Phone, which I can register with my in house Asterisk Server, and thereby communicate with other phones connected to Asterisk Server?? I presume you connected the E-Series phone on a local Wireless Ethernet connection? Is it any E-Series phone? What was the specific E-Series phone u used? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] CentOS-5.1 Repositories
I need advise on safe and compatible CentOS5.1 repositories. epel5.3, extras, RPMForge, Dag Wiers, atrpms, livna Which of these are safe and compatible? Any pointers to good installation Tips Tricks page is welcome. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Looking for USB based SIP Phone
Looking for cheap USB based SIP Phone for use with Asterisk. Phone should work both on Linux as well as on Windows. I saw one being sold as skype phone at Nehru Place, but I am not sure whether it works on Linux and that too as a simple SIP phone with our own Asterisk Server. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for some webcam application in GNU/Linux
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Ashish Shukla wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm running GNOME 2.20 on Gentoo Linux and I'm looking for a webcam application in GNU/Linux, which can do capture streaming video and still photograph, something like Cheese in GNOME 2.22. If not able to streaming video capture, at least able to capture a still photograph. I want to use it with my v4l2, UVC Webcam. Has anyone aware of any such application ? guvcview works for me: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/guvcview/ -- Manish The following link may be useful: http://scribblej.com/stream/index.html I understand v4l2 support for vlc on Linux has just been made ready. You need to compile however from the latest sources CVS/SVN. I couldnt make guvcview to work on Fedora. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It seems either you don't have glibc-headers installed on your machine (install/re-install it) or you've glibc-headers at some unusual place. Try to find location of stdio.h on your machine. If it's not /usr/include then try to install/re-install the glibc-headers package. It should help you out. [...] For the record, the equivalent package on Ubuntu, and presumably Debian is libc6-dev. I completely agree that it is a pain that gcc, and/or the C library development package does not automatically install this. Regards, Gora Thanks a lot, it did help resolve the compilation issues I had, to start with. But the naming and packaging coventions do introduce an avoidable pain. Finally I am getting stuck at compiling certain applications for which source tar.gz is available. But after pushing through initial hurdles I realise that this source will compile only on debian and not on fedora. Huh thats what all migration stuff seems to be all about. I am not a professional, so would be forced to maintain a dual-boot/virtual setup. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
After going through the thread, I have an observation: Do some of us realise that these institutions may not be delivering what we expect, not because that they do not want to do it, but because, perhaps that they have no clue how to do it. It has some thing to do with the developer / manager education and training. What does the average programmer in most shops use to develop these sites - do they hard code or they use some toolkit? Suppose some one uses a toolkit which is popular on Windows - he has been doing it and thats the only thing he knows, he will produce what we call Hall of shame sites. His manager is not bothered either, as he needs to get the job done at the earliest. The manager uses the easiest and cheapest resource available to him. His problems start when the FOSS community start bombarding that the site does not work. His programmer simply puts a blank face: I do'nt know what these guys want / how to do so as to make it run on Firefox/ Opera. Other programmers are still plain lazy - why should I do it: In any case 90%+ visitors to my site don't have a problem, and in the balance only less than 0.1% may ever register a complaint. So the situations just keeps sailing. Most managers in such situations also have an ignore attitude, bcoz it doesnt affect their targets / KPAs. Do we have pointers to resources for such guys: Both programmers and managers to be able to do it in toolkit of their choice? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Wht's d code u r trying to compile, cauz I'm finding it real strange to see some software, tht too source based, being distro dependent !!! Regards, Mayank wxcam [ http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wxcam/wxcam-1.0.1.tar.gz ] and guvcview (http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8179release_id=14522). Have been trying to use a suitable app for my UVC2 compliant webcam on Fedora8. At present, I am limited to using Cheese and Ekiga. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. The problem is that it is not easy to make something compatible with both IE and other browsers. It is expensive - so unless the expense is worth it, they will not do it. Note that it is easier to write a standards compliant page and then tweak for IE than to the reverse. And it requires a good knowledge of css, js and html - which eliminates 95% of all web programmers. A long, uphill task. So, is an activist Hall of Shame on So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. an answer? I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plone is hackproof Plone certainly is very good. Good for community and good for enterprise as well. However, since you mentioned plone can I clarify some of my doubts on this: Plone is based on Zope which in turn is based on Python. Zope is locked today on Python 2.4, where most distributions have moved to Python 2.5. Zope development 2.9(??) is being done more like a Python Module/package than as an engine, which was the case earlier. Zope3.0 seems to be a disconnect from past. May be I reached a wrong conclusion, but would like to see opinion of others in this regard. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??
I have the following packages installed in my Fedora8 system. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -qa | grep gcc compat-gcc-34-3.4.6-8 gcc-4.1.2-33 libgcc-4.1.2-33 gcc-c++-4.1.2-33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -qa | grep glibc glibc-common-2.7-2 glibc-2.7-2 glibc-devel-2.7-2 While compiling tar.gz source files, I get some very basic errors. I am wondering which packages am I missing: The last few lines of the error log below shows I am missing stdio.h. Now thats very basic!!! configure:2044: checking for a BSD-compatible install configure:2100: result: /usr/bin/install -c configure:2111: checking whether build environment is sane configure:2154: result: yes configure:2219: checking for gawk configure:2235: found /bin/gawk configure:2246: result: gawk configure:2257: checking whether make sets $(MAKE) configure:2278: result: yes configure:2464: checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles configure:2473: result: no configure:2501: checking for style of include used by make configure:2529: result: GNU configure:2602: checking for gcc configure:2618: found /usr/lib/ccache/gcc configure:2629: result: gcc configure:2867: checking for C compiler version configure:2874: gcc --version 5 gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-33) Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. configure:2877: $? = 0 configure:2884: gcc -v 5 Using built-in specs. Target: i386-redhat-linux Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obj-c++,java,fortran,ada --enable-java-awt=gtk --disable-dssi --enable-plugin --with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-1.5.0.0/jre --enable-libgcj-multifile --enable-java-maintainer-mode --with-ecj-jar=/usr/share/java/eclipse-ecj.jar --with-cpu=generic --host=i386-redhat-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-33) configure:2887: $? = 0 configure:2894: gcc -V 5 gcc: '-V' option must have argument configure:2897: $? = 1 configure:2920: checking for C compiler default output file name configure:2947: gccconftest.c 5 configure:2950: $? = 0 configure:2988: result: a.out configure:3005: checking whether the C compiler works configure:3015: ./a.out configure:3018: $? = 0 configure:3035: result: yes configure:3042: checking whether we are cross compiling configure:3044: result: no configure:3047: checking for suffix of executables configure:3054: gcc -o conftestconftest.c 5 configure:3057: $? = 0 configure:3081: result: configure:3087: checking for suffix of object files configure:3113: gcc -c conftest.c 5 configure:3116: $? = 0 configure:3139: result: o configure:3143: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler configure:3172: gcc -c conftest.c 5 configure:3178: $? = 0 configure:3195: result: yes configure:3200: checking whether gcc accepts -g configure:3230: gcc -c -g conftest.c 5 configure:3236: $? = 0 configure:3335: result: yes configure:3352: checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89 configure:3426: gcc -c -g -O2 conftest.c 5 conftest.c:11:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory conftest.c:12:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory conftest.c:13:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory conftest.c:16: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token conftest.c:50: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'FILE' configure:3432: $? = 1 configure: failed program was: | /* confdefs.h. */ | #define PACKAGE_NAME wxcam | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME wxcam | #define PACKAGE_VERSION 1.0.1 Thanks in advance. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux Adoption: Interesting Read
A lng but recommended read: http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=74 Shortcut: See the slides here and read the notes [I did only that!!] http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/Gallery/Linuxthoughts/magicgallery/Slide1.htm anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] High throughput FTP Server
A few months back I successfully used G4L [Ghost For Linux] to backup and restore disk images over the network. I used the technique to build 45 new PCs, with upto about 5 machines being restored at the same time. I used to get fantastic speeds 20MB/s or even more. Subsequently we made many more images and it became a routine practice. http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg17738.html However, recently we started getting low data transfer rates less than 5MB/s and many a times recovery fails, on some strange reason, suspecting network issues. Given that disk images and such data transfers are of the order of 6-10 GB per image, I am concerned on the FTP Server performance. I am using standard vsftpd on a Fedora 7 box with 2GB RAM. Are there any tweaks on my server side which will facilitate high throughputs? What other diagonastics should I run to figure out the root cause of problem? Any info on the kind of specific flags I should lookout in Wireshark? TIA anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] uvcvideo kernel module errors
Have been trying to compile in support for uvcvideo as documented here: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/howto-logitech-quickcam-pro-9000-with-fedora-8/ I am able to do a make install but this is what I get in my dmesg: uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_translate_ioctl uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_devdata uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_printk_ioctl uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_unregister_device uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_alloc uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_register_device uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_usercopy uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_release uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_translate_ioctl uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_devdata uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_printk_ioctl uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_unregister_device uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_alloc uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_register_device uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_usercopy uvcvideo: Unknown symbol video_device_release also tried insmod /path/to/uvcvideo.ko , still the same problem. am i missing some thing?? Prior to compiling and installing the module, I was getting the device listed in lsusb. Now it waits for a while but does'nt list. and i get this in dmesg on plugging the device in/out: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/all, error -71 usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 14 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/8, error -71 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/8, error -71 usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/8, error -71 usb 1-4: device descriptor read/8, error -71 Insights needed. This is kernel/2.6.23.9-85.fc8-i686 and linux-uvc revision 171 from the svn repository. TIA anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] does this list have rules
On Jan 13, 2008 11:39 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 Jan 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 13-Jan-08, at 12:16 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल wrote: Please read the list guidelines at http://kandalaya.org/ guidelines.html before posting to the list. that is the personal opinion of Rajkumar Mathur - is he the arbitrator of this list? (the page is still loading so I cannot say more) No, those are the guidelines for participating in the ILUGD mailing list. If you don't like them you're welcome to suggest amendments, but they remain the rules until enough people (not just one person) try to change them. To be honest to both, KG is just asking that the set of rules you have at kandalaya.org be posted in the ilugd mailing lists page. No body is questioning rules of the mailing list - why this n why not this. They exist, and let them exist on a ilugd url page. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam
On Jan 10, 2008 10:08 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bought a webcam yesterday, thought I'd share the experience...
Unfortunately the webcams
that seem to work well with Linux (at least according to Google) seem
to be pretty high priced -- Rs 4000+.
Thats right - This has been putting me off for buying a webcam for
years!! But these devices are supporting USB Video Class, [UVC] which
supposedly do not bring up issues like this
BTW, note that all webcams reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.
Some will work, some may not, so be sure to test your cam before you
buy for use with Linux.
Who will let u test before buy? Its quite shocking all webcams
reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.
Some will work, some may not I believed it the other way and still
can't understand why?
Another thing to investigate: I was thinking of using a SONY Handycam
as a webcam, which says so prominently in their brochure that it
supports USB Video Streaming - actually does not do, just shows up as
USB Storage device. I wonder if any of their proprietary drivers does
some magic, but I certainly expect that if these Handycams are UVC
compliant they can be used as Webcams. Could'nt confirm this - as I
do'nt have access to a SONY Handycam. Can some one confirm this??
The test for finding a device is UVC supported or not is as under:
lsusb -d {Device_Id eg 046d:08cb} -v | grep 14 Video
If your device is a UVC device, you should see a number of lines that
look like this:
bFunctionClass 14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video
In this case the Linux UVC driver should recognize your camera when
you plug it in.
If there are no such lines, your device is not a UVC device.
Unfortunately my OLYMPUS digital camera which can capture video and
has a USB port, does'nt display any of these lines. I believe one has
to have this if he needs to do a USB Video Streaming.
I want to be corrected if I am wrong, else I might be forced to buy
the costlier webcam.
anand
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth
On Nov 25, 2007 3:59 AM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all, i've got a bluetooth dongle on the usb port of my pc running ubuntu feisty 7.04. i wish to connect it to my Nokia E61i, install some apps, and learn how to sync the contacts list, calendars, and more, from my mobile with ubuntu. Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/ It did get me to my phonebook on my SonyEricsson K510i and also tasted success with 608i. With recent Fedora8 defaults, I could use Phone Manager to display incoming SMSs and I could send them from my PC as well. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Hindi Locale web-portal (Any OSS tool/framework..???)
On Nov 24, 2007 6:31 PM, Piyush Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Friends, I am looking for some Open Source software that can help me in setup of a website for a news group in Hindi. Can anyone point me some links related to some open source softwares that i can use..?/ I know, Plone works and has been used in such situations. But I want some one to correct me: Plone is a good comprehensive fatured product. With advent of Python v2.5++ on most community linux platforms, Zope (on which Plone is based) is no longer available. I am not very clear on the status of porting of Zope to Python 2.5. Instead i am seeing a new direction at http://grok.zope.org/ for Zope. I dont know whats happening with Plone? Whats happening? Are we expected to see Zope3++ on Python2.5++ and subsequent Plone with Python 2.5 support? As it stands, Plone / Zope is not available in Fedora7 and Fedora 8. It was in Fedora 6 and Ubuntu 7.04 but not 7.10. There is an interesting discussion at http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20071101.032611.b27b96d6.en.html on this What in summary looks like: 1. Baiju M and Nikhil N, are working on the port of Zope to Python 2.5 2. There is debate of clashes between System Python and Zope Python 3. Only way seems to run in a Virtual Environment at the moment. Can any one update me? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Converting a non network printer to a network printer
On Nov 22, 2007 1:33 AM, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if its possible for me to connect my printer to the router by using a USB to LAN converter. So essentially what I mean is Printer's USB cord - USBtoLAN Converter(this gives me an ethernet port) - router (using a cable) Will this allow me to print from desktop and laptop?? or maybe my question should be will my printer be able to accquire an ip address from the dhcp on the router, and will this be accessible to me over the network for printing?? Any other suggestions for converting the non network printer to a networked one?? thanks -- Puneet It is not the issue of just the port. You require a Print Server running in the firmware of the printer which uses a network protocol over ethernet port. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for How-to to do Live Stock figures on Intranet
On 10/25/07, Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/183 I know that this is not exactly what you are looking for, but would give some clue... I want to host a website for my Intranet users, who can see live stock info thru this hosted site instead of the usual stock-info sites. Will try to get to the sources of this addon. May be it helps. thnx anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Looking for How-to to do Live Stock figures on Intranet
Thats a head-ache for sys-admins trying to control / manage / curb looking up stock prices / cricket scores on every desk inside a large corporate LAN. Trying to find out how to develop and host an app which collects live stock prices, so that Internal LAN users are able to get the info that they want, without each of them pulling the same data from 10 other different Internet based sources, loading proxy servers and choking bandwidths. I am sure such custom apps are readily avlbl. I am primarily looking this from stock prices perspective, but would appreciate if some info is also avlbl for cricket scores. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [off-topic not] vision of an enlightened indian mystic on copyleft
On 9/6/07, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as a private study, have been researching past two years on the indian philosophical view and 'darshan' on copyrights. haven't found much. anyone else stumbled across something? :-) niyam Indian Philosohical view?? If Indian spirituality and mysticism is your definition - copyright - ownership Did we ever talked of owning anything amidst this 'maya' and 'mithya'?? ;-) anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] sizing benchmark for NX
On 8/22/07, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, during the talk at JNU last month, one issue that came up was the sizing model - how much resource you need to throw into the backend infrastructure to make the thin-client model work using NX/freenx. Hope this helps ( sorry, i didnt get the name of the person who was asking this question.. ) - KB -- That was me. Your description of the client use, is equivalent or more of the Knowledge Worker described in the competitions literature. On the face of it, I think the performances match. If your data is on the same server as the NXserver, your users are doing more I/O than would be typical in a normal working environment. In most cases, users data would be on a NAS / SAN setup. So the CPU/DMA load gets transferred to network. I do'nt know how much difference does that make. I have recently installed NXClients on a larger number of machines. I am waiting for an opportunity to grab a decent server to proceed with the testing. Thanks for your inputs. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] IRCTC site IE Only??
This morning I am in a rude shock to discover IRCTC train reservation site changed and labeled Site best viewed in IE 5.5 and above and does'nt work in Firefox 2.0.0.5 on Fedora 7. Please confirm. They really deserve an explanation for this decision. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/18/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18-Aug-07, at 8:32 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [rest of rather weak justification for rant snipped] my opinion is that wikipedia is not the place to advertise forthcoming events. Sorry for being late in this discussion: Would it not have been more useful if we had first found that there is ALREADY an existing wikipedia link to ilugd, made it more useful in terms of broader activities we do and then have a specific mention of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. Can we see the these pages now and re-ponder on the debate we had and points raised by Kenneth? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Cloning a disk over network
On 7/18/07, Sudev Barar wrote: On 16/07/07, vivek khurana wrote: --- Anand Shankar wrote: Looking for a cool, snap to setup with defaults, fast to finish solution for cloning disks over network: Have a look at http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ . Might solve our problem. Anand Did you try this? Some where else I read about netcat and dd being used. Do share your experience. -- Regards, Sudev Barar G4L helped us in solving most of the problems we were worried about. With the logistics constraint I could get 5 PCs at a time on the user desk. We achieved fantastic speeds of 20-40MB/s on a switched 10/100Mbps LAN. I could successfully finish installations in 45-75 min for an image size of abt 10GB. What was left was correcting the hostnames and admitting to Domain and this is a manual step at each location. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Cloning a disk over network
Intentionally separated the mail for one more issue. We received the PCs in two lots, Batch-A plain vanilla FreeDOS on 160GB disks, so installing WinXP and Linux and ghosting it was simple. Batch-B same make and hardware, but with WinXP preinstalled. For Batch-B we have resized the Windows partition using qtparted and created further partitions for Linux. As for Linux, we created another image from the Linux partition of Batch-A and restored it to the appropirate partition in Batch-B. Obviously partition sizes of the two batches were similar but partition table layout was different as also the partition number of the swap partition. That was all done nicely by setting up GRUB again for Batch-B and redefining swap location post ghosting. Ghosting of Windows Partition in Batch-B was not possible as we would have lost the pre-installed licenses!!! So that will have to be done one by one - painful resizing of all Batch-B PCs and repeating the corrective process for Linux Partition and doing everything else for Windows partition as what we would have done for a new PC. I do'nt have any idea for handling this kind of customisation for a pre-installed Windows-XP PC. For Batch-B Linux partitions I have two questions: A. Is there any short way of cloning the partition table of a master, including resizing of Windows Partition? B. Fortunately Batch-B was identical to Batch-A hardware-wise, so ghosting linux partition was fine and achieved, but what if Batch-A and Batch-B were slightly different, say a different ethernet card or a different monitor / display card, if I ghost from Batch-A to Batch-B what all the problems can be?? Fortunately Batch-B size is only 10 PCs. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Cloning a disk over network
Looking for a cool, snap to setup with defaults, fast to finish solution for cloning disks over network: Issue at hand: I have a master PC setup, which needs to be replicated to some 30+ other PCs. 160GB HDD with dual boot WinXP[ntfs]-FC7[ext3] setup. Do'nt want to plug out the disks and do a dd /dev/sda /dev/sdb. How much time will it take per disk pair? Any other parameters to be passed to dd command? Partimage : not sure - last time i tried i landed with client - server version mismatches - resulting in failure... clonezilla seems to be good, but seems to be have involved setup procesdure ... Good to try out if time permits anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] 5,000 ubuntu desktops at delhi university
On 7/2/07, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:27:51 +0530, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I believe FOSS gained significant acceptance worldwide due to patronage and a strategic corporate policy of such majors as IBM, As an outsider, I find this curious that this is so very different from the genesis of free software; where free software started, grew, and flourished in the developer/IT/CS community before it was grudgingly acknowledged by major companies. Interestingly, the focus in this forum seems to be mostly on business acceptance, not on community/educational institution deployment; which is different from the places where free software was born. I acknowledge the genesis and roots of FOSS and where free software started, grew, and flourished in the developer/IT/CS community before it was grudgingly acknowledged by major companies. This is good for development, but for widespread application we need to 'go beyond' developer/IT/CS community. The major companies should not grudgingly acknowledge, but willingly strategise using FOSS. This is when larger acceptance happens. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
I think the discussion would add value by debating on yet another dimension: I think we have had ENOUGH of this vs that OS wars. Migration / adoption of this or that Operating System question is shortly going to be irrelevant at many a places for a variety of valid reasons. However, what is going to be the deciding line, in most rational thinking places, is the applications which most end users are going to use. In so far as adoption by Corporates are concerned, the two most influencing category of applications are 1. Office suites and 2. ERP. Let us analyse this adoption/migration debate in the following light: 1. Office Suite: Can we discuss OpenOffice vs MS Office Adoption / Migration instead of Windows vs Linux, irrespective of the underlying OS? What are the compelling offerings in OpenOffice that will make people move over from MS Office? With the war on suites now shifting to the File Standard Formats, some of the issues we generally discuss are yet again irrelevant. In fact it is the proprietary marriage of Office-suite with Groupware and Collaboration, in form of Microsoft Sharepoint Portal, that is forcing most Corporates to continue with Microsoft Office, than adopting OpenOffice, which is good enough for most users. Do we have an answer to Sharepoint Portal Server? In my opinion, Plone makes a case, but to achieve such tight integration as Sharepoint Portal, we need a proactive community effort. I am still looking at one-easy-way to create and deploy Forms based applications, of course that they should comply to XForms standards. Another viable alternative to Plone has been Alfresco. See http://www.webtekconcepts.com/2007/01/17/alfresco-vs-sharepoint/ and http://www.protocol16.com/2007/05/28/alfresco-vs-sharepoint-1-of-4/ for more details. It is not just plain OpenOffice vs MS Office issue. It is about Corporate Applications getting locked up for lloog times and in turn raising a much more complex issue of migration!!! 2. ERP: Though many an established ERP solutions in the market are known to be available on Linux as well. But how many of these ERP Consultants talk about ERP on top of Linux? How many of these reputed ERP offerings have their application clients [Rich Client] available on Linux? We need to take the Windows vs Linux debate to cover newer dimensions. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] New thread for Proprietary vs FOSS debate
_Sorry for Re-posting from a previous thread Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux_ I think we have had ENOUGH of this vs that OS wars. Migration / adoption of this or that Operating System question is shortly going to be irrelevant at many a places for a variety of valid reasons. However, what is going to be the deciding line, in most rational thinking places, is the applications which most end users are going to use. In so far as adoption by Corporates are concerned, the two most influencing category of applications are 1. Office suites and 2. ERP. Let us analyse this adoption/migration debate in the following light: 1. Office Suite: Can we discuss OpenOffice vs MS Office Adoption / Migration instead of Windows vs Linux, irrespective of the underlying OS? What are the compelling offerings in OpenOffice that will make people move over from MS Office? With the war on suites now shifting to the File Standard Formats, some of the issues we generally discuss are yet again irrelevant. In fact it is the proprietary marriage of Office-suite with Groupware and Collaboration, in form of Microsoft Sharepoint Portal, that is forcing most Corporates to continue with Microsoft Office, than adopting OpenOffice, which is good enough for most users. Do we have an answer to Sharepoint Portal Server? In my opinion, Plone makes a case, but to achieve such tight integration as Sharepoint Portal, we need a proactive community effort. I am still looking at one-easy-way to create and deploy Forms based applications, of course that they should comply to XForms standards. Another viable alternative to Plone has been Alfresco. But. See http://www.webtekconcepts.com/2007/01/17/alfresco-vs-sharepoint/ and http://www.protocol16.com/2007/05/28/alfresco-vs-sharepoint-1-of-4/ for more details. It is not just plain OpenOffice vs MS Office issue. It is about Corporate Applications getting locked up for lloog times and in turn raising a much more complex issue of migration!!! Legacy Applications and Software LifeCycle Management. 2. ERP: Though many an established ERP solutions in the market are known to be available on Linux as well. But how many of these ERP Consultants talk about ERP on top of Linux? How many of these reputed ERP offerings have their application clients [Rich Client] available on Linux? Do we have an eco-system and components to put up a complete F/LOSS ERP Solution? I would like to be educated about the current FOSS activities in this area. We need to take the Windows vs Linux debate to cover newer dimensions. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] 5,000 ubuntu desktops at delhi university
On 7/1/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . I'm not sure if my example suits well in here, but I would like to ask this. Did BITS-Pilani get its reputation because of being able to have tie-up with few of top 5 IT majors or did BITS-Pilani have (or has) the quality of a unique academic institution? Possibly OT 1. They had a visionary management who wanted to the institution to achieve greater heights. I should mention that that the Academic Programs at BITS Pilani were greatly influenced by the BITS Pilani - MIT (US) Collaboration which started in mid sixties and continued in early seventies. I am not aware of any similar collaborations if they are having these days. Similarly, all IITs have been individually influenced by a country specific collaboration. IITK with US, IITD with UK etc. 2. The social circumstances at BITS Pilani, starting early fifties to mid-seventies is also a great factor in making BITS Pilani having a reputation today. I was born in that campus, so I know. OT Tie-ups have been a key factor in building these institutions. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] 5,000 ubuntu desktops at delhi university
On 6/29/07, Ravi Shanker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in DU, and i dont know such things. Even in my comp. sc lab at DDU college, DU, there is just one machine having Ubuntu 6.10 that i installed for print server, and telnet client so students can connect to them for practise. Other few machines are having Redhat 9.0. Thats all. Why people saying there is Ubuntu in DU. Whereis the Link to such and who started it? Please let me know. I have reasons to believe that the magic figure of 5000 is in the making, and is not a reality YET!!. Even if it moves ahead as thought, it is likely to be dual-boot. I believe FOSS gained significant acceptance worldwide due to patronage and a strategic corporate policy of such majors as IBM, Google, Yahoo, HP, Intel etc. For things to happen in India, we need more than one such major Corporate and/or Academic body adopting FOSS, and in a way encouraging / cajoling others to ponder for adoption. Let us debate which are these institutions where this could be done. We need more than active evangelism to do this. We should find what are those little barriers which are stopping people to move and as a community try to provide answes to these questions. FOSS in India needs very much an example of Big Name Corporate Acceptance. It is the adoption at Desktop which is being talked here. Many Corporates already deploy FOSS in their Server-end applications, where most users, whose opinions matter, are not aware of the advantages brought by FOSS in their own company. Adoption is easier in academic institutions, as training / self-education is very much part of the environment. FOSS/Linux being adopted in IITs/NITs etc does'nt make much news, as it gels with the myth Techie OS for Techie people. It would make more impact if it were to be adopted by IIMs or any other leading Management Schools. We must try to get some leading Management Professors to evangelise on this supported by LUGs for Proof-of-Concept implementations in willing Corporates. FOSS Strategies for IT eco-systems in Corporates needs to be actively talked by the Consultants such as Accenture, KPMG, PwC etc. We need other such institutions like Gartner, TCS and others to release papers advocating FOSS in public domain. We need evangelism at leading System Integrators to tell us how do they intend to provide SI support on FOSS and what are there problems. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Training institute near Vasant Kunj
On 4/14/07, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are (or someone else is) willing to spend an hour a day with him, teaching him the fundamentals of programming and Perl/Python/Java/C++ (for a fee, of course) in the Vasant Kunj area, give me a call. Otherwise, recommendation (or maybe just knowledge) of an institute in the VK area that's doing it would be preferred. If you do find the Institute, please share it with the list. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Zope: Connectivity with MySQL
Trying to connect Zope/Plone with MySQL. Discovered Zope has built-in support only with Gadfly. For other databases u need to use Database Adapters. There is a Zope Product ZMySQLDA, which has to be installed in (some ??) Products directory. Did all that, but could not find ZMySQLDA as an installed product for Zope. Am I on the right track? ZMySQLDA has not been updated since 2001. Are there other products / methods now or am i missing some things?? Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
On 3/29/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, it is not a good idea to mix and match packages, even if they are from distributions that are apparently related, e.g., RHEL and Fedora. That is because the two distributions will undoubtedly have a different set of packages, at different version numbers, and are each tested with that particular configuration. Mixing them up is inviting trouble, and I would only do that in a critical situation. Thats is one thing which we need to know how to for pushing and deploying in enterprises. Eg: One decides to use lets say Fedora Directory Server, but his group has internal expertise on Ubuntu. Or the admin might have been using Apache to host his intranet, found that management decides to use Open-xchange for a groupware application and thats on Suse. He will have to for a learning curve finding which location is for httpd.conf!! It happened to me recently. Was using vsftpd in my intranet on a Fedora box. Decided to try out Ubuntu-64bit on a new box. So while formatting the box decided to give /var partition a larger size. To my horror, when configuring vsftpd on Ubuntu found the default directory is /home/ftp!!! Now how do I ??? I want to use FDS but my box is Ubuntu, so should I steal another box for Fedora/FDS sake?? Is virtualisation an answer?? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] ezine content framework: Your suggestions are invited
Happy Holi to Everyone!! Yesterday Atul Jha and myself had a meeting at my place for planning the content and structure of the proposed ezine. Placed below are brief record of discussions, so that we get opinions and contributions from all of you before the project takes off. 1. Objective: To provide a central reference point for FOSS related content of high journalistic standards which community can leverage as a resource to achieve the higher objectives of FOSS movement. 2. License: The contents of ezine are intended to be re-used by one and all in their FOSS efforts, whether at individual level or institutional. We too intend to reuse or refer to similarly intended electronic / physical resources. As such, Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike 2.5 license seems to be most appropirate. Legal Pundits may kindly opine, before we get flamed. 3. Format: Content Presentation is proposed to be HTML, Printer-Friendly HTML and PDF. Content submission is proposed to be either offline-ODF or through a Web based mechanism which will generate ODF for the editors. The intention is to be able to make content submission as easy as possible and also have the input resources in a standard format so as to be able to make standard and print-ready PDFs without much effort. Opinion is sought on how to have a system which covers the Word-Processing-to-DTP-OffsetPrinting cycle and is most optimal. Multimedia content is not currently intended for hosting immediately, but should be FOSS compliant whenever we are ready. 4. Content Framework: [Not necessarily in order of importance] a. Guest Editorial: Intention is to seek an editorial quality contribution from outstanding leaders and achievers from among FOSS community members. b. email Interview: To seek opinions and answers to questions prepared by the ezine editorial team from outstanding leaders and achievers from among FOSS community members. c. From our Correspondent: To approve well known writers / contributors as Correspondents to get regular and quality inputs on various FOSS issues and activities. This could cover hands-on articles, reviews, events and opinions. d. Internship Watch: To act as Window of Opportunities for Internship programs being offered at various organisations. e. News Headlines with commentary picked up from various forums. f. Hot Topics: Refernces and summaries of important hot threads in various on-line mailing lists. g. Kids Corner: FOSS stuff for kids in the age-group 5-12. Content in this corner should be reusable by kids themselves as talking points in their circles / school teachers. h. Articles: i. Contributed Articles by ilugd members ii. Reference Articles (Articles themslves - reused - not links) [Most frequently cited type] iii. Links to Blogs and other Articles not permitted for reuse, preferably with summary. i. LUG ONE: Inspiring activities of various LUGs from around the world. j. ITCH for FREE SOFTWARE: (To be appropirately titled) The intention here is to cover areas where there are no good FOSS options. We should be able to not only locate such areas but also locate projects which are currently working in such areas and their progress. k. Corporate Segment: The intention here is to capture FOSS related developments in various business areas. We could also cover applications, strategies, policy issues, opportunities in FOSS related areas. l. Newbies Section: Articles and resources for newbies. m. Multi-Media Section: We could cover online resources such as Tutorial kind Screenshots, Video Tutorials / Resources, Audio Resources. With the present hosting resources it may be difficult to host large multimedia content ourselves, but nevertheless it should be on our agenda. To make a beginning we could start with references. n. Online Education Courses and other Formal / Non-formal Education related artcles. Thats a pretty long wish list. You are requested to add-in your suggestions and opinions. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ezine content framework: Your suggestions are invited
On 3/4/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04-Mar-07, at 4:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: you are needlessly complicating things. Just make a wiki for heavens sake. See how the mumbai guys did it in making their brochure: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Brochure Thanks for your valuable inputs. The site referred by you was having some technical issues at this instant. However, your idea is well taken. Let me restate from my earlier post: - The intention is to be able to make content submission as easy as possible and also have the input resources in a standard format so as to be able to make standard and print-ready PDFs without much effort. Wiki is definetly good for collaborative authoring. There are definetly good resources elsewhere as well which have evolved out of a wiki. Could you educate me how to sip out an existing wiki document out on the net to a standard HTML / ODF, so that we may include it in our ezine with the least trouble?? Or for that matter anyone else wanting to pluck-out an article from say wikipedia neatly to a Standard HTML / ODF? I would like to add here that there may be existing articles with many an authors who would like to share it with us, and in that case we prefer ODF. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [india-gii] Need ForInformation / Literature on OPen Source (GNU/Linux) in Hindi
Hi Would any one know if there is discussion / promotional / educational literature available in Hindi for GNU/Linux, Open Source, Creative Commons etc. Will appreciate your links, advise, suggestions thanks ram Ram , sorry for cross-posting. This seemed a good idea here The only number of this magazine has some articles in Hindi: http://www.hindivishwa.org/PDF/lilamagazine.pdf Also I recollect some in the Sarai Reader (Journal) at sarai.net anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] PPT / ODI convert to VCD
Looking for tools to multiplex and convert PPT / ODI files with effects with Audio to a VCD. What about blending-in a Video as well in between the slides - Adds complexity on synchronising various channels. Brute Force: Capture Video out over RGB/TV-Out Any thing better?? camstudio misses out the effects... anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Fwd: PPT / ODI convert to VCD
I am surprised why my post has'nt appeared on the list 10 hrs after posting... I could see FNs post after me having appeared on the list. Reposting ... Pl excuse me if it suddenly appears. anand -- Forwarded message -- From: Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 19, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: PPT / ODI convert to VCD To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Looking for tools to multiplex and convert PPT / ODI files with effects with Audio to a VCD. What about blending-in a Video as well in between the slides - Adds complexity on synchronising various channels. Brute Force: Capture Video out over RGB/TV-Out Any thing better?? camstudio misses out the effects... anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Installing wordpress
Does one has to install Wordpress 2.0.5 and can host multiple blogs on that box or he has to install Wordpress MU 1.0 for that? Is that version numbering synchronous and MU is heavily out of date??? What are other better options for people to host blogs on LAN? One that plugs into Plone or other Portal systems would be better. anand On 12/20/06, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20-Dec-06, at 3:39 AM, wrote: can ny body tell me the detailed method of installing wordpress on my system, n further how to configure it what have you done so far? what error messages did you get? i wanna test it first on my Lan.. it their ny way outaa here!! thanx in advance do you compose this mail on your cell phone? if not, please use a spell checker -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] DNS Reliability and link stability
1. Is it possible to have two or more different IPs assigned to the same physical host name (DNS Record Type A)? 2. If yes, is it possible to assign different metric weights to prioritise traffic to one link over the other and also to provide fail over redundancy - ie if connectivity with one physical link breaks, the traffic flows in through the other link? 3. Is this facility provided by DNS Registrars/ Service Providers like Network Solutions etc anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Looking for Linux Performance Benchmarks
Looking for Linux Performance Benchmarks compared to other UNIXes and MS Windows, for mission critical applications. Any pointers to resources /publications /links? Any studies by European Union, NASA, World Bank, Gartner etc? anand shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] foss.in
On 11/8/06, Kishore Bhargava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ILUGD'ers going to foss.in this year. Have not seen the final list yet but don't remember seeing too many talks from here. Just curious. Cheers...Kishore -- Good chance to see u there. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Special Interest Group on FOSS for Business and Industry
FOSS has made great strides in IT industry and is widely recognised, respected and used by knowledgable IT professionals and organisations. However, non-IT Professionals and non-IT Organisations largely seem to completly miss the bus as far as FOSS is concerned. These segments are still possessed by many a myths on FOSS which have time and again been debunked by the FOSS Community. Most active LUG / FOSS community members are primarily driven by IT as a passion. However, for many of those for whome IT is neither a passion nor a profession continue to be in dark ages as far as FOSS is concerned. Incidently, many of these non-IT people influence decisions in many ways in places where FOSS can play a significant role. A need is felt to have a Special Interest Group within the LUG, which can discuss methods, plan activities and create resources to help reach these non-IT decision makers, so as to enhance the potential for FOSS use in a larger segment of our society and economy. The above follows from the thread of discussions following Sudev Brar's earlier posting [Cut Paste] Vista EULA on the ilugd mailing list. While most certainly the ilugd general mailing list is the breeding ground for many an idea which are helpful for the above cause, but is less meaningful to the audience to which the above Special Interest Group is being targetted. It is for the more technology inclined and for a general believer in doing things by his own hands. The Special Interest Group will be a focussed area of activity with its own specific agenda. I sincerely believe that it will bring positive synergies for the fundamental cause we stand for. Definetly there are a large number of similar groups already in existence, but a new one under the ilugd shall give a fresh impetus in a new direction, bringing practicing people from the industry in the NCR to a common platform. The Business and Industry are faced with many an unique problem which mostly escape the attention of the existing ilugd general mailing list or gets tagged as Commercial. I strongly propose creation of a separate Special Intrerest Group under the ilugd, with an independent mailing list. Comments and suggestions please. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Cut Paste] Vista EULA
Things are'nt that simple. Its not babudom which resists adoption of FOSS but its Resistance to Change, which resists adoption not only of FOSS, but [SNIP] Why Babus only? I think situation is largely similar at most BSE-50 / NSE-50 Private Sector Commercial companies. I think its time that we in the My comment on Babu's was solely due to the fact that they are using our monies to spend. With the government we claim that it runs out of our money (Taxes we pay), on similar lines BSE50/ NSE50 also run on our money (Our investment in shares!!) community constitute a SIG: Special Interest Group to devise means and dwell on issues concerning FOSS adoption in corporates. Many issues are easily doable - Awareness and debunking Myths for one, Training and Exposure modules, Vendor Development etc Perfectly with you. The community leveraging its contact base and projecting alternates is one of the best (and only?) tool for propogating community owned software awareness. Can we draw an action plan / Separate thread of discussion on the subject: ILUGD-SIG on Spreading FOSS awareness in Business [Governments / Corporates / PSUs] anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Cut Paste] Vista EULA
On 11/2/06, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sudev Barar wrote: Interesting read at http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420 How to convice our Government babus that the road being followed by them is not the best use of tax payers money? But then probably it is wrong for me to expect babus to have any sense in spending taxpayers (my) money. Things are'nt that simple. Its not babudom which resists adoption of FOSS but its Resistance to Change, which resists adoption not only of FOSS, but many other required changes as well. Things are beginning to change and I do see a silver lining, but when will that happen, if at all, is any ones guess. There continue to be areas where there are no significant offerings from FOSS ecosystem, lending an application or two to be from the proprietary world. (Any match for AutoCAD, MS Project, Pagemaker/InDesign for Indic Languages?) Why Babus only? I think situation is largely similar at most BSE-50 / NSE-50 Private Sector Commercial companies. I think its time that we in the community constitute a SIG: Special Interest Group to devise means and dwell on issues concerning FOSS adoption in corporates. Many issues are easily doable - Awareness and debunking Myths for one, Training and Exposure modules, Vendor Development etc Further there is a strong need to somehow influence the school system to expose the new generation to FOSS. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FLOSS Advocacy on a Business Card
Many a times I felt the need of a Business Card sized card, which can have FLOSS related Advocacy information and essential links. Certainly useful when discussing FLOSS in occasional conversations viz: Journey, Meetings etc. I know of a Linux Project, which produces A4 size Catalogue for similar purpose. Do u know of any links or any such card in existence, before I start my effort?? I could'nt find much via Google. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Key to popularising Free Open Source Software
Raj Mathur wrote: The first idea (having a minimal Linux partition) is brilliant! How long did you have to spend thinking it up? :) I'm going to talk to my neighbourhood hardware vendor today itself and suggest it to him. Anyone else doing the same? Thanks, Not so long. Born out of Knoppix demo to some Nehru Place vendors recently. For the second one, it may be simpler to keep a list of equipment that DOESN'T work with Linux. E.g., such-and-such a modem, this IrDA adapter, etc. Most of us keep buying stuff from Nehru Place, so in a couple of months we could have a pretty good database of what works and what doesn't with our own experiences. DOES'nt work with KNOPPIX My Krypton brand Modem # SmartUSB56; has a proprietary Linux driver, still I have'nt been able to do much. Logitech Quickcam Express Webcam# No Official Support, there is a Project on Sourceforge, have'nt been able to try. Can we develop a Web based application on ILUGD site to trap this data in a database?? My personal thinking about this issue has changed over time. Now I truly believe that just promoting Linux without having people understand the underlying concepts of freedom and choice is of limited value. After all, are numbers so important? If they are, they have been growing in any case, thanks to the efforts of LUGs, corporations and interest groups. However, do we really want to promote Linux per se, possibly with proprietary applications running on it? Numbers are important for developing a critical mass to drive a self sustaining industry around FLOSS. They are not important for winning a debate!! Numbers are growing and some one told me that Worldwide number of Linux Desktops is more than the number of Macs, but still I can'nt get software applications / drivers off the shelf claiming Linux Compatibility. Critical mass is important!! IMO Linux running proprietary code is as bad as any of the traditional alternatives. Until we can convince people that the Right Reason(tm) to use Linux is because of intangible and/or long-term benefits, we'll just be playing a losing game, with MS, IBM, Oracle friends dropping prices all over the place to beat the ``Linux is cheaper'' ``myth''. Hey, let's have another TCO study! I say, don't play the game by the rules of these corporations. Change the damn rules and let THEM play by the new rules. Let MS fight freedom rather than cost. Let IBM convince its customers that WebSphere is a better application development platform despite being proprietary. Get Oracle to fight quick updates, security, stability, ability to remove/customise features and lack of dependence on a single vendor rather than touting the ``Oracle on Linux is cheaper'' line. Well!! I think we are mixing two important issues. One is Freedom, whose importance no one underestimates. You have to have Freedom, in order to be able to produce quality software in the first place. Now having produced Free Software, you need people to use them, in order to create a demand, the fundamental basis of economics and market. People will use a software which helps meet their objectives whether it is conducting space research or keeping accounts of a charitable society. If it helps the user, it is only then we can tell him about the Philosophy. He will get all the more convinced then. As regards the proprietary stuff: Its a difficult proposition, after all, we do take Medicines which are proprietary, undergo CT Scans which use Proprietary Software!! We just can't eliminate Propritary stuff as a step change. I am convinced that eventually Freedom based Software will emerge stronger, but I can't stop using Electricity because the software in the Power Station is proprietary. The fight for freedom based software is one front, building a strong user base for the freedom based software is another front of the same movement, and it is at this front that numbers count!! Once we start moving in this direction we will switch the new user paradigm from a ``push to Linux'' to ``pull to freedom'' model. (Gawd, did I just use ``paradigm'' in a sentence? Anyhow...) Instead of telling people about how Linux is cheaper or faster or better supported, we should show them the options and let them choose their path for themselves. I can assure you that enough people will want to switch to Linux once the larger issues have been clarified to them. These people will be our support team, our advocates, our fanatics, our representatives, our neighbourhood Linux cottage industry. After all, aren't ideological converts so much more zealous than those who convert because of money substitute with your favourite material object? It has to go on side by side. It is not a sequential process. Both Push to Linux and Pull to Freedom will have to exist at the same time, providing strength to each other. Both fronts need each other. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED
[ilugd] Key to popularising Free Open Source Software
In various discussions at various forums, one thing has emerged clearly: The one thing which has prevented wide-spread adoption of Free Open Source Software at the common man's desktop is lack of perceptible support. Though, all of us talk about ample documentation and mailing lists based support, it is the support from your friendly PC Technician in the neighbourhood PC Assembler shop is what most non-IT background people expect. Today, unfortunately, these are the very people who are holding away and in a way dissuading people to adopt and use FLOSS instead. I have spoken to a few Owners of these establishments and found a general lack of awareness of even the most basics about FLOSS. Therefore, it seems stupid to blame these ignorant people on the subject. Some times I think of a minimalist dual boot 4GB kind of Linux Partition, which these assemblers can install for their customers, for their own safeguard. These partitions will work when the other Proprietary and Pirated partition goes sick, and they can reduce their support calls by letting the customer have something to work, while their sick partition gets treated. This way, more and more end customers, will start getting aware and use FLOSS as a choice. We can also generate a monthly, Local LUG approved, Linux Friendly Hardware Component List, for benefit of these assemblers and end customers. Can any thing be done to address the situation? Do Linux User Groups spread over the country have a role to play? In my personal opinion its Yes for both questions, but opinions vary. Ilugd has been rightly focussing on Campuses, but I personally do not feel it sufficient. I know that the moment you talk of Suggestion in ilugd, it means, I Volunteer. But let this not kill the spirit of generating new ideas. I have the following to suggest: End user support and guidance, more popularly called Handholding, can not be expected to be free in cost in general. But enough Low Cost resources can be built with some effort. India has seen two very popular similar efforts: (1) Co-operative Movement, specifically ladies, in Gujrat and Maharashtra (2) Your friendly neighnourhood Tutor for your child etc Both are economic activities and no Giant Company is sponsoring or controlling these activities. Yet they are formidable economic forces themselves. I have a feeling, we can also develop a Cottage End-User Support and Handholding industry. It is here that with a proper, synergised co-ordinated and popularised effort the variuos Linux User Groups can be a starting point. The Local Linux User Groups can keep a target of developing at least one person, who can be sighted as a Neighbourhood Resource, every 5 km, to begin with in major cities where LUGs are active. This resource is free to charge a nominal amount per hour. As time passes by, we can increase the number of such Neighbourhood Resources. The Larger LUGs, can spread their hooks to the community, by encouraging such Neighbourhood Resources to publicise themselves in whatever way they seem fit. We need to also hold roadshows at exhibitions and shopping centers, be they at schools, Durga Pujas, or any other community event. It is these Neighbourhood Resources again who can do it in a much better way, than probably LUG Volunteers. Comments are welcome. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] What is your view about Linux pcs in India?
This evening I visited a stall at a popular trade fair in Faridabad which was displaying RedHat / FC1 on a Laptop. I asked the salesperson some questions being discussed here. A brief summary in QA form is placed below. Q: How many people who buy this laptop actually use Linux? A: Hardly anyone. Q: Why? A: Customer does not have time. He does not want to spend time on new things, he wants to use the computer right away, the way he knows. Q: Why do'nt you educate the customer? A: We can't push the customer beyond a point. We can only request. Q: How much do you know about Linux? Are you convinced? Can you operate the Computer running Linux?? A: No, I can't. I myself do not know how to make it work. Q: Why do'nt you try to learn yourself? A: I do'nt have time. It is not user friendly. Q: What? Not user friendly?? What do you mean?? (I try to show him a few things) A: Still. Not user friendly enough. Q: Why do you think, you or your customers do not want to spend time for Linux, even Kids or the first time users? A: We hardly have any First time users. Children want Windows because their Schools prescribe them. Q: When you sell the Laptop with Linux, how do you handle support for Windows on these Laptops? A: We do'nt. We give support only for hardware problems. At this point, my daughter pulled me out having lost her patience. Well, we can see most important issues in this discussion. Some of these things I also tried at Nehru Place last week, when I upgraded my PC to an Athlon 2600+, and I wanted to test it out using Knoppix. I have following inputs to the discussions: 1. Organise Linux Demo Day type of sessions for trading communities at Nehru Place etc. Roadshows: Showcase running Linux systems in Nehru Place, by putting up a stall on a working day / Saturday. 2. Develop a relationship between ILUGD and the trading community. 3-monthly meetings, separate Mailing Lists etc. Involve some of them at our regular meeting / Mailing Lists. 3. We need to produce a Video-CD introducing Linux and sort of a Tutorial virtual hands-on for a total newbie on Linux. Very importantly, It has to be done both in English and Hindi. Let all traders selling Linux PCs, give a copy of this CD to all their customers and let them also have a decent introduction to the issues at hand, at their convenience. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Directions to reach venue of meet
From Nehru Place you can easily take CNG mini buses running upto Badarpur border. Then walkover to the Auto Stand on Faridabad side, may be some 200m. All the autos ply upto atleast Neelam Flyover. Anand Shankar - Original Message - From: anindya chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: [ilugd] Directions to reach venue of meet Hello Everybody, I am new to delhi and I leave near neheru place...can anyone please tell me how to reach LUG meet in jan in faridabad..preferably if bus route numbers are given it will very helpful to me. thanks, anindya ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Directions to reach venue of meet
Take AIIMS-Faridabad DTC bus which has stops on the Ring Road and comes to Mathura Road via Ashram- Mathura Road. Get down at Neelam Flyover and follow the directions given by Sudev. You may take a shared Auto from this point onwards. Sudev: Can u please give the Postal Address of the venue?? Sector?? etc. Anand Shankar - Original Message - From: vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Delhi Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: [ilugd] Directions to reach venue of meet hi! everyone I need directions to reach the venue for jan meet. I will start from east of kailash. So i need directions to reach the venue by BUS. Please help me!!! bye vivek = When DESTINY has closed all the DOORS; Jump out of the WINDOW __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Re: Linux Delhi January 2004 Meet
Ever since I shifted to Faridabad in April 2003, I could'nt attend more than 2 ILUGD meets, despite being very seriously intending to cover the distance. Would love to see an ILUGD meet at Faridabad!! Anand Shankar - Original Message - From: Abhishek Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Linux Delhi January 2004 Meet I appreciate your gesture of taking the onus of organizing a linux delhi meet at your place . but i believe you would agree meeting place should be easily accessible . and Faridabad sounds way too far of . - Original Message - From: Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: Linux Delhi January 2004 Meet ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] AutoCAD Drawing Viewer
For a large project, we have a large number of drawings in AutoCAD being submitted by the vendors for approval. Each file may be typically 2 MB in size. There may be changes at the approval stage, and some more at fabrication stage. These drwings are also required in the OM stages as also helpful in future upcoming projects. I am searching for a solution whereby all drawings can be catalogued in a Library Archive, can be searched by keywords, can be viewed in a browser. Also a way to capture the knowledge generated in the whole process. Is there any Open Source solution? A related poblem: The drawings are typically in sections of 3m for large structures as high as 30m or more in A0 size paper. For a group discussion, it becomes difficult to view the drawing comfortably, so inevitably a hard copy is required. Any technical solution for this?? Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Revolution OS
Just returned from Linux Bangalore/2003. Seen this documentary movie Revolution OS, at the end of the first day, and I am personally quite impressed. I strongly recommend screening of the documentary movie at a future ILUG-D meets. A nice review can be found at http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=7599 Quote: Don't be fooled by the fairly specialized topic of Revolution OS: this is a well-done documentary that will be of interest to anyone who's curious about computer-related topics, whether they're an experienced techie who knows all about the Linux vs. Windows debacle or just someone who's curious to know what all this Open Source and Free Software stuff is all about. Revolution OS shows not just the technical side of Linux's development, but also the philosophical side, and as you'll see, ideas of community-building, sharing, and encouraging creativity are at the heart of the GNU-Linux system. With a nice widescreen transfer and a second disc packed with extras, Revolution OS stands as a solid recommended. Unquote: LB'2003 was a grand show and once again recommended strongly to one and all to take time out and attend this one of the largest Open Source Conventions in the world. Interested guys can read reviews at slashdot.org. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] CD Boot option thru Bootloaders
Can I have a boot option in boot loaders like LILO or GRUB, which specifies to boot from CD or network?? I tried with LILO, ;-( Anand ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions
I think it is the knowledge issue at core with most publishers (most small time operators in your neighbourhood). I have been insisting with my people to atleast obtain a PDF file of the document going to press. For most of these press people, What is PDF??. Problem is most of them are using pirated Adobe Pagemaker software. I think PM5 does not have export to PDF by default, while PM6.5 has an option, but probably exports the whole file. Adobe is trying to replace Postscript with PDF, they are talking of PDF ready printers. As of now, it is a knowledge issue with most small time operators. A technical issue which I have faced is generating PDF with Unicode aware applications having Unicode data in the output: For eg an OfficeXP Word file to generate a PDF with embedding of OpenType Fonts. I do not know of such an issue with OpenOffice. I am using OO1.1RC3, which at least is not able to input a Unicode Devanagari data, nor able to display a MSWord file / UTF-8 encoded Devanagari text file. Finally, whether OO will be able to it or not, the issue is typesetting and word-processing are two different things. Most of us, the common user, use word processing. The OO documents need to get into some DTP program, like Scribus, Karbon14 (Am I right LL, Trehan??). Karbon14 can save the document as Adobe Illustrator type, from where can it go to a Pagemaker ?? Anand Shankar - Original Message - From: Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [ilugd] Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
