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On Monday 09 August 2004 06:44:06, Trevor Rhodes wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 It's time to get me one of these thingamabobs.  I want one that prints and
 scans under mandrake 10 with copy and fax standalone.  Anyone got one that
 works?

  Regards
   Trevor Rhodes

Installed an HP yesterday that worked from the start. Stay away from Brother 
for now. I've never had any luck with them.

Half way down the page I'm linking for you is a multi function section that 
has the rest of the recommendations I'd make. I have no argument with it:

http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestarter is running?

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On Monday 09 August 2004 03:02:03, Thereidos wrote:
 Alright, now goes my story :
 I've installed Firestarter and configured it using it's wizard. Everything
 seemed alright but the main window kept crashing... so I switched to
 KMyFireWall and configured it.
 Test at www.grc.com showed that all my ports were stealth. That's good. So
 I ran 'install firewall'. It showed up that my firewall is configured and
 will run at system bootup.

 I've made the same test right after system booted and firewall wasn't
 running... To make everything work again I must run kmyfirewall and click
 'run firewall'.
 What might be the problem 'round here?
 May it be iptables (they doesn't seem to start at bootup)?

Good question, and yes to run a Firewall you need iptables running at boot. 
They usually are shown as stopped after boot, but that's because they only 
need to run long enough to load the rules in memory.

What people call a fire wall is actually a wrapper of some sort to pass rule 
sets to iptables which passes them to NetFilter, which is a module or an 
integral part of the kernel, at boot to help control the ports on your 
system. Among other things.

Confused yet? (;

The wrappers are supposedly designed to make it easy to pass rules down the 
chain that close and open ports so that services required for your set-up and 
configuration are able to run and access what they require. Notice I said 
supposedly?

You can (as super user in a terminal) use chkconfig iptables on or in the 
drakxservices menu put a check mark for start at boot and then hit the start 
button or I believe there's another interfering wrapper available now called 
drakfw for this purpose that is intended to wave the baton for the whole 
parade.

I'd do the drakxservices thing. It's the simplest graphically. If drakfw is on 
the list you may want to check that as well.

Charlie
Hmmm... A passing thought. If each kernel in the disparate systems around the 
world were actually an artificial neuron, and if all of those neurons are 
connected by wires, fibre optics, various electromagnetic frequencies etc,; 
and if the only difference between the human mind and a single celled life 
form is the number of neuron linkages, have we built an electronic amoeba? 
How long before the number of  connections is on the close order of that of 
the human brain and it wakes up?

Maybe that's really why there are firewalls, to keep the number of connections 
below that critical mass.
C.
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Re: [newbie] [OT] Oooooh! That's gotta hurt!

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On Monday 09 August 2004 12:35:12, Stephen Kühn wrote:
 On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 02:47, JoeHill wrote:
  I've had to roll back a few client's machines already when they stopped
  functioning properly after doing a full 'Windows Update', so I'm not
  surprised at this:
 
  Quote:
 
  In the memo to employees, seen by CNET News.com, IBM's internal
  technology department stated that Windows XP SP2 will change the
  behavior of (Web browser) Internet Explorer and cause some application
  incompatibilities. The memo also noted that some high-profile,
  business-critical applications are also known to conflict with SP2.
 
  http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5302346.html
 
  It *does* go on to say that testing before implementation is routine
  (duh), but in this case I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that SP2 is going to
  be one of the biggest boondoggles in MS history, second only to XP
  itself.

 How dare you bad-mouth Microsoft and it's OS named XP (both Home and
 Pro); that is my living mate. If it ain't broke, I don't eat. If it
 doesn't break, I don't eat. If it wasn't a huge kludge of crap and
 unstable as a radioactive particle, I wouldn't eat. If it wasn't buggy
 as a four day dead 'roo carcass, I wouldn't eat.

 ALL HAIL MICROSOFT!

 stephen kuhn - proprietor

This is even more off topic and maybe even more derogatory. But towards Apple. 
It was posted on the local L.U.G. mailing list this morning:

A good Mac rant (I don't think Apple will use this guy in their switch
campaign):

http://www-edlab.cs.umass.edu/~ahelblin/misc/mac.html

Warning: Requires Flash plug-in, contains vulgarities (coarse language but 
that phrase may be copyright someone or other) and violence towards what 
appears to be a Macintosh tower and an iMac. I'm still lmao but I'm no longer 
on the floor. (-;

See everyone? We snipe at someone other than Poor Microsoft around here. g

Charlie
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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestarter is running?

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On Monday 09 August 2004 12:09:12, Thereidos wrote:
whack
 Now I've noticed that iptables are run during bootup (drakxservices says so
 too). Running kmyfirewall says that the firewall is running but www.grc.com
 says otherwise. I have to click 'run firewall' in kmyfirewall to really
 make it work...
 May it be that kmyfirewall actually doesn't write (?) iptables' script?

It's quite possible. kmyfirewall runs only after KDE initializes so I 
seriously doubt it's doing you any good. Unless of course you don't start the 
network at boot. BTW if iptables is running at boot, and if you haven't 
flushed the rules, the fire walling should be initialized when iptables loads 
using the previous rule set. If it's not something is configured somewhere.

- From a quick Google search:

An IPTables based firewall configuration tool for the KDE Desktop Environment 
running on Linux based systems. 

and:

http://kmyfirewall.sourceforge.net/

http://km0838.keymachine.de/~kmyfirewall/index.php?kat=faq

That's about all I know about the software, sorry. It's also probably all I'll 
ever know about it for the simple reasons that I have a radically edited set 
of rules that I use for iptables that is specific to my environment, and the 
only Fire Wall I even try to use is shorewall. That's just because it's the 
default in Mandrake installs and if I don't know what to do with the glitches 
I'm doing my customers a disservice.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] KDE won't open folders but Gnome will

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On Monday 09 August 2004 11:50:11, Julie Sloan wrote:
whack
  That was my fault. When I install a system one of the first things
  I do is change the display manager from mdkkdm to kdm.

 don't tell me how - maybe I'll find it on my own  :)  (like I don't
 have enough finding to do already LOL)

I'll tell you anyway Julie. g Mandrake Control Centre System. The traffic 
light is the configuration tool for the display manager.

WARNING!!!
If you change it you'll be kicked to the new log-in screen and have to log 
back in. Don't say I didn't...
WARNING!!!

 Great! thanks.  wish I'd known about startx a month ago.  :P
 I found myself there and since I had never SET a pw I panicked 
 reinstalled.   And the installation discs wouldn't work the second
 time (wonder what thatwas about?) So I had to wait for new discs.
 Blah blah blah ancient history.  On to newer and better problems...

Problems are nothing more than opportunities for personal growth Julie. I'm 
sure you've learnt that.

  It's difficult to know what terminology to use sometimes. I
  apologize.

 no need

I was apologizing not for what may have come across as impatience that time, 
but in advance if I ever actually do display impatience. To you or anyone 
else. OK?

 okay, here's:

 # kdeinit
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 kbuildsycoca running...

So obviously something is wonky in the KDE system on that machine. Read 
Stephen's replies again and ask questions. Someone knowledgeable around here 
will likely help get you back to normal.

What's normal? (-;

  You seem to have either lost contact with the part of the display
  that manages the file management system or lost the connection
  that it's running on or lost permissions on those directories you
  are having trouble accessing. Did you do anything with any files
  or 'folders' in your user's space while running as super user?

 it's possible but not likely.  I look in var logs to find out?

Find a hidden file in your /home directory called xsessionerrors. If you can 
read it you may learn what went boom. Since you can't seem to do anything in 
KDE at the moment you may have to open it with nautilus or midnight commander 
or...?

emacs or vi maybe?

  through you. But if I say you need to be in SU mode to run a
  command successfully it's because I know that method works.

 okay okay lesson learned.  Don't be mad at me.:)

Never. I don't get mad often. Just even. lol

 thanks for your help.Right now I'm in command-line culture-shock,
 but luckily I don't have a deadline to get comfortable with it.

 J

I wish I'd been of some help Julie. You're welcome anyway.

For that culture shock I recommend intensive therapy, starting here:

http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/

A directory of Linux commands taken from the book Linux in a Nutshell. It's 
something I think should be required reading for anyone that grew up with 
Windows.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestarter is running?

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On Monday 09 August 2004 13:50:01, Thereidos wrote:
 Dnia pon 9. sierpnia 2004 21:18, Charlie Mahan napisa:
  That's about all I know about the software, sorry. It's also probably all
  I'll ever know about it for the simple reasons that I have a radically
  edited set of rules that I use for iptables that is specific to my
  environment, and the only Fire Wall I even try to use is shorewall.
  That's just because it's the default in Mandrake installs and if I don't
  know what to do with the glitches I'm doing my customers a disservice.

 I think I'm beginning to get the picture. Short question : if I'd like to
 use some bit torrent client listen on certain port should this port remain
 to be stealth or should I leave it open?

 I do believe (HEY! somebody check this please?) the only way you need to open 
anything for any bit-torrent client would be if you were the super seed and 
were hosting the torrent yourself. For connections to existing torrents I 
don't think you need to open anything that won't be open enough to 
acknowledge the torrent. Open the app by clicking the torrent link I mean. 
Responses then are restricted to that link and the running application, and 
the firewall should ignore them since they are mostly ack and syn packets.

It must work something along those lines. The only way I can make apollon or 
gtk-gnutella run is to open the relevant ports manually before I start. Then 
I have to re-edit my rules for iptables after I shut the application down, 
which I find a time consuming pain in the assets. That makes it hard to grab 
family video etc without waiting for Canada Post and the U.S.P.S., which in 
combination seem a lot slower than the Pony Express ever was.

But during the first 2 days of the recent torrent release of 10.1 Beta1 I 
uploaded over 2 GB without touching the firewall. 60 Kbytes/second upload 
speed average. I had to shut it down so my ISP wouldn't scream at me.

 PS. I'm still wondering why my firestarter window keeps crashing...

I would wonder too. Are you using Firestarter because you had good results 
with it somewhere else or just because? Shorewall is default in Mandrake and 
seems to work in an acceptable manner most of the time. Dan's Guardian has 
also received decent reviews in the past. I'm just curious.

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestarter is running?

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On Monday 09 August 2004 16:29:04, Thereidos wrote:
 Dnia pon 9. sierpnia 2004 22:14, Charlie Mahan napisa:
  I would wonder too. Are you using Firestarter because you had good
  results with it somewhere else or just because? Shorewall is default in
  Mandrake and seems to work in an acceptable manner most of the time.
  Dan's Guardian has also received decent reviews in the past. I'm just
  curious.

 Alright. I think I'm done with it. Now I'm using shorewall (which is easier
 to configure than I thought).

 Just a short question : How did you manage to make your 113 port (auth /
 ident) stealth? I've added following to the /etc/shorewall/rules :
 DROPnet fw  tcp 113
 DROPfw  net tcp 113

 And the last one : to make shorewall for example drop packets (incomming
 and outcomming) on certain port should I add two rules (like above) or can
 I do it some other way?

- From man iptables:

- -L, --list [chain]
  List all rules in the selected chain.  If no chain is  selected,
  all  chains  are  listed.   As  every other iptables command, it
  applies to the specified table (filter is the default),  so  NAT
  rules get listed by
   iptables -t nat -n -L
  Please  note  that it is often used with the -n option, in order
  to avoid long reverse DNS lookups.  It is legal to  specify  the
  -Z  (zero)  option  as  well, in which case the chain(s) will be
  atomically listed and zeroed.  The exact output is  affected  by
  the  other arguments given. The exact rules are suppressed until
  you use
   iptables -L -v

and

- -F, --flush [chain]
  Flush the selected chain (all the chains in the table if none is
  given).   This  is  equivalent  to deleting all the rules one by
  one.

You don't need to be super user to read the man pages for iptables, or much of 
anything else actually. Just a terminal and the time.

If you want to pass Steve Gibson's True Stealth test (the grc.com Shields Up 
test) or Sygate's Security Scan or... add these rules to your basic shorewall 
configuration at the end of the Rules file:
Source. Dest. Proto. Port.
DROPnet fw  icmp 8
DROPfw  net icmp
DROPnet fw  tcp 113

Be aware that dropping everything this way may make some things not work the 
way you expect them to. Dropping the pings for example (icmp) from your ISP 
may cause dropped connections. Dropping the auth packets from the ISP may 
cause nasty side effects as well.

Reading the first page at the linked site will probably tell you more about 
the shoreline firewall, Mandrake's implementation of it, and the NetFilter 
packet facility built into the kernel, than you'll ever really want to know. 
The page also has links to FAQs, to examples of how to set the rules for 
specific situations including stand alone systems directly connected to the 
internet, etc. It all works, Just start reading and scream when you need 
help. (-: Someone will tackle the questions, that's why the list is here.

http://www.shorewall.net/

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Can't install jpackage sources

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On Monday 09 August 2004 17:54:05, Trey Sizemore wrote:
I've got Mandrake 10.1 beta1 installed and am in the process of doing
some upgrades. I've managed to get main, contrib, and PLF sources
installed, but I'm having some issues getting jpackage. I think this is
where I get the java packages from.

Here's the error I'm getting (I've tried several jpackage mirrors with
the same result):

[EMAIL PROTECTED] trey]# urpmi.addmedia jpackage
ftp://ftp.uio.no/linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/jpackage
with media_info/hdlist.cz
added medium jpackage
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz]
retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of jpackage...

ftp://ftp.uio.no/linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/jpackage/media
_info/hdlist.cz

...retrieving failed: curl: (9) Couldn't cd to media_info
retrieval of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed
no hdlist file found for medium jpackage
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.jpackage.cz]
problem reading synthesis file of medium jpackage
unable to update medium jpackage

Is this a problem with the mirrors or can I do something different?

Thanks.

Start with urpmi.removemedia -a and start over from scratch. The media
additions that are copied below are what I'm using. They work. That's the
best I can say about anything related to Mandrake mirrors today. I added PLF
at the bottom so you just skip that one when you copy and paste if your
choice has worked. I just like to give a complete answer. (-;

The tree structure for the mirrors has changed again and that's causing
aggravation and confusion. It should, I sincerely hope, be temporary. This
will get you the jpackage list and whatever you wanted to install:

urpmi.addmedia main
ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/main

with media_info/hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia contrib
ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/contrib

with media_info/hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia jpackage
ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/jpackage

with media_info/hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/cooker
with hdlist.cz

The reason I'm pushing you to the proxad mirror is simple, I know it's
current. The rest I ain't so sure about.

Have fun!

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Can't install jpackage sources

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On Monday 09 August 2004 19:18:07, Trey Sizemore wrote:
whack

 Thanks, still getting the same errors as I posted earlier.  Maybe
 there's something wrong with the mirror?

 Anyone else having an issue with this?

 Thanks.

It's quite possible the trouble that I was having updating is still causing us 
grief. I'll try an update and see what I get...

You're right so I went and looked. The hdlist3.cz and the media info sub 
directory in the jpackage directory are all missing. That makes it a little 
tough, doesn't it.

rant
I told you there were mirror problems at present. What I don't understand is 
why the head honchos at Mandrake always make these changes sometime during 
the AlphaBetaRC part of the release cycle. It's almost as though all the 
please test and report any bugs blah blah blah is nothing but crap. How can 
you test what you can't access for installation?
/rant

It's been a rather frustrating day, sorry. I don't mean to unload on you.

You could always download the entire jpackage directory contents and install 
whatever parts you need manually. You'll still be able to use urpmi in the 
directory, you just won't have a graphical connection to read through the 
package list. There's a way to generate an hdlist in a directory full of 
packages so that you could use it as a local source, but it escapes me at the 
moment. Hold on:

In the directory containing the rpms, I would do:
 
 genhdlist ./

I suppose that's the best I can do for now, sorry again.

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Teaching Spamassassin

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On Monday 09 August 2004 19:48:07, Erylon Hines wrote:
 On Monday 09 August 2004 03:01 pm, SME Server Admin wrote:
 | Hiya
 |
 | Right. i've had Spam Assassin running for a few weeks now, and have built
 | up about 300 or so messages in my Spam/missed spam directory. The
 | actually directory is:
 |
 | Local Folders / Spam / MissedSpam
 |
 | Now, I've been into shell and done as it asked, ie type in the following
 | string. The first one was without a dot before Mail and the second was
 | with it in.
 |
 | It's not working. This is in Kontact by the way. Can anyone help?
 |
 | TIA
 |
 | Elwyn
 |
 |
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] elwyn]$ sa-learn --mbox
 | --spam /home/Elwyn/Mail/.spam.directory/MissedSpam/*
 |
 | Learned from 0 message(s) (0 message(s) examined).
 |
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] elwyn]$ sa-learn --mbox
 | --spam /home/Elwyn/.Mail/.spam.directory/MissedSpam/*
 |
 | Learned from 0 message(s) (0 message(s) examined).
 |
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] elwyn]$

 Your Mail directory isn't hidden, normally.  Nor would be the
 subdirectorys, the /spam or /MissedSpam

 The command:

 $sa-learn --mbox --spam /home/Elwyn/Mail/spam/MissedSpam/*

I beg to differ. The Mail directory for K-Mail since (I believe) 3.1 *is* a 
hidden directory, while the sub-directories in it are not. No point hiding 
those is there, they live in a hidden directory.

The rest of what you advised is probably accurate. I wouldn't know and don't 
intend to discover since spamassassin and I have never been more than coldly 
cordial to one another. I use bogofilter, far less horsepower required, 
easily configured, while just as accurate.

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Re: [newbie] Trying to reinstall

2004-08-08 Thread Charlie

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:02 am, Stephen Kühn sent these thoughts:
  Or are you having a lend of me?
 
  Charlie

 Generally, I use either Arson or K3b to open the ISO image for burning;
 it is a simple mistake that can be made...mostly by Californians,
 though...

 stephen kuhn - proprietor

Thank you

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Re: [newbie] Trying to reinstall

2004-08-08 Thread Charlie

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:25 am, Hoyt Bailey sent these thoughts:
snip

 What does one do to properly burn them? This is probably very stupid

  question? Further to this, if one receives the copied ISO's instead
  of the properly burned ones, is it possible to burn them properly
  onto another CD after copying them to the hard drive?
 
  Or are you having a lend of me?
 
  Charlie

 Run K3b click on ToolsCDBurn CD image.

Thank you.

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Re: [newbie] Do I need to start over

 tools in the 
installer is usually as good a guide as any. Unless you intend to edit huge 
files then double (or x2.5 or? you decide) whatever the recommended size is.

/usr since this is where all the packages live make it big enough. 5, 6, ? GB, 
or more? You decide. 6  is what I used and I installed a load of development 
packages. Roughly 3.5 GB free at the moment.

/tmp If you have a DVD drive, especially a burner, or even a CD-R/RW you'll 
want this twice as big as a blank disk at a minimum. I usually pick 3 GB or 
more as a baseline. cdrecord uses /tmp by default and there has to be enough 
space. Also you'll likely be moving things around a lot at first so you need 
the space to move the 6 GB from partition /foo to partition /bar.

/var logs, mail, spool, used for cache during package installation make it big 
enough but don't accept the *huge* size the installer always wants to use. 
Same size as /usr is probably about enough.

/home this you have to think about. I don't know your usage or needs. Good 
luck.

As minimums, and I'd choose the JFS filesystem rather than ext3 (old tech with 
a journal grafted on) or Reiser (moving target) or XFS (this ain't a 
mainframe) JFS is IBM's technology and it works exceptionally well, seems 
completely stable, and is fast. I'd use it for everything.

The other drive or drives, depending on how many you keep in the box, are up 
to you to choose partition sizes and mount points but I'd still recommend 
using JFS.

It's your system so it's all up to you but I do like the way JFS works for me.

Holler if you need advice on a proposed partition table or whatever, somebody 
will see and respond.

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Re: [newbie] KDE won't open folders but Gnome will

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On Sunday 08 August 2004 14:06:02, Julie Sloan wrote:
 Someone please point me in the right direction - Yesterday suddenly I
 wasn't able to open folders in the KDE GUI anymore.  Hop on over to
 Gnome and they open just fine.  How did I screw this up?

 Uh, and how did I manage to change my line width to 45 characters (in
 Ximian)?

 thanks, J

 Are you sure you screwed something up or did kdeinit just crash?

Try restarting the X-Server while you're in the log-in manager screen.

Just for fun open a terminal when you're already in KDE and become super user 
then type

kdeinit

and strike the Enter key. Then try to open a directory. For some reason the 
xserver seems to get confused sometimes, probably when your IP# changes. 
Depends on what your hostname is set to or where it comes from but I thought 
that only affected Gnome.

As for the character limit, what application? Or do you mean everywhere? I 
don't do Ximian. Sorry.

If none of that helps scream for help and someone that knows what they're on 
about may take a swing at it. (-:

OK?

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Re: [newbie] Do I need to start over

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On Sunday 08 August 2004 15:47:03, BJ Tracy wrote:

 SNIP
 Thanks for all your help.

De nada.

  If you want a clean slate I _strongly_ recommend that you use the custom
  partitioning mode but first do a Google search for partitioning and read
  a lot.

 There's a ton of stuff to read and I have several books as well.

devil's advocate
Don't procratinate now. Eventually you will want to get it over with. I know 
you want to do it, do it now, you won't have a problem...
/devil's advocate

  That's why so many newcomers end up
  reinstalling and changing their partition structures so many times. Not
  enough research and too much enthusiasm.

 Guilty.  Just like a kid at Cmas.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

The day I stop answering to newbie somebody please kill me.

  You're welcome bj. I haven't helped you yet though. Here's some personal
  recommendations;
 
  When you do the reinstall (and I know you want to so let's get that out
  of the way now) set a large enough _separate /home partition_ that your
  user(s) won't run out of personal space. Also since you have enough drive
  space for anything you may want to do, the primary master should include
  in my opinion:
 
  / the root of the system where everything hangs. Choose a size that
  seems comfy then reduce it. I never go more than 800 MB

 Question: does the / root have to be on every drive?

No. Just the primary installation drive. Wherever you end up having that.

  As minimums, and I'd choose the JFS filesystem rather than ext3 (old tech
  with a journal grafted on)
  JFS is IBM's technology and it works exceptionally well, seems
  completely stable, and is fast. I'd use it for everything.

 As for ext 3 or JFS, will I see a difference on my GUI?  I'm not a
 programmer, and I don't do any development (yet), just a computer
 nutHowever I  do a lot of pictures and genealogy as well as my business
 stuff.  Just curious.

Not unless you are so blazing fast yourself that you don't actually need a 
system. JFS is just a better file system with a better journal. ext2 is a 
hang over from the '60s and ext3 is just ext2 with a journal. JFS is fast and 
clean, seems great at 'disaster recovery' and seems to be invisible in 
operation. What more do you want? XFS is for _really big_ iron. It's from 
SGI, the people that build the systems with the funny name...oh yeah Cray.

  The other drive or drives, depending on how many you keep in the box, are
  up to you to choose partition sizes and mount points but I'd still
  recommend using JFS.

 My first two drives are Master and Slave.  Does it matter if the (NEW) 250
 GB drive is a Master or Slave on the cable it's on?

Sure it does bj. Where do you want the disks and in what order? lol

As long as you don't try to have 2 masters or two slaves on one channel. 
You'll get a scolding for that kind of behaviour. By the installer. Or the 
BIOS. Or both. g

But _not_ from me! No, never that...much. I've done it myself a couple times 
over the last 10 years. Exhausted brain fart mode.

 Thanks again,
 You are a very appreciated resource.
 bj

You are welcome, but I thought a resource was defined as something valuable to 
be hoarded or exploited.

I'm thinking there ain't that much here. (;

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Re: [newbie] Trying to reinstall

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On Sunday 08 August 2004 16:15:04, Stephen Kühn wrote:
 On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 05:18, Aron Smith wrote:
  thanks guys as I suspected it was the seat keyboard interface that was
  malfunctioning. i was copying an iso to disk instead of burning an image
  b Duh
  \thanks smitty

 It might be a suggestion to that that interface checked. Quite often,
 the chair-to-keyboard interface malfunctions or does not process
 instruction sets as you would normally expect. I know from daily
 experience that this is one of the most undependable parts of the
 equation and in troubleshooting computer issues, one has to take into
 account that particular interface more often than not. I would suggest,
 prior to the next troubleshooting session, to lubricate the interface
 with vast quantities of any alcohol based specially bottled lubricant -
 this assists the interface in processing instructions sets. Also
 unplugging the interface for a few hours at a time helps as well - for
 some strange reason.

 stephen kuhn - proprietor

Stephen must be the nicest, most eloquent, and profoundly polysyllabic 
gentleman that ever verbally slashed a friend's throat.





In public.g

Beer me!
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Re: [newbie] KDE won't open folders but Gnome will

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On Sunday 08 August 2004 23:05:11, Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:59:49 +1000

 Stephen Kühn wrote:
  but then again, at least I have beer

 That would not be an option for me,,I just drank my last one and an to
 drunk to be sold anymore )-:



 Charles

I have one you can have for free Charles. If you like Molson Canadian. In the 
Tall Boy cans.

Think mini keg.

How drunk does one need to be to turn *that* down? g

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Re: [newbie] Alt sysreq keys

2004-08-07 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On Saturday 07 August 2004 02:13:02, Paul wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am wondering about the alt-sysreq keys to use when a system hangs.

 What I found so far is:

 Alt+Sysreq+R  forces keyboard into XLATE mode
 Alt+Sysreq+E  forces an init 6 to the kernel
 Alt+Sysreq+S  syncs all your disks
 Alt+Sysreq+B  boots the system
 Alt-SysReq-U  force remount of all filesystems readonly

 Is this correct?
 And what is the best sequence to use these keys when needed?

 It seems to me that R S U B (or E) would be the way to go.

 Thanks,
 Paul

Close Paul. I'll quoute Tom Brinkman here;

Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring

Sort of an easy way to remember it.

Google; magic sysrq keys;

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=enie=UTF-8safe=offq=magic+sysrq+keysspell=1

Some pdf and a few web pages with good explanations.

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Re: [newbie] Do I need to start over

2004-08-07 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On Saturday 07 August 2004 14:28:02, BJ Tracy wrote:
 Hello All (again),

I'm gonna chop this up to respond to specific points. Hope that doesn't mess 
with anyone's mind. 

If I weren't the one doing it it would probably mess with mine. g

 Let me make this as straight forward and short as possible but I need to
 give you Linux/Mandrake brains some history.

Oh! You asked for a Mandrake brain and got stuck with me. Damn! I'd feel 
slighted if it were me.

 After much research on my part about switching to Linux and then with all
 the security issues with Exposer(Explorer) I was fed up and made the move.

Valid reasons but not the only ones.

 However my confidence was not there so I opted for a dual boot system(bad
 mistake).  Here's the harddrive layout of what I had - Cdrive was 80GB and
 had XP on it and I had a Ddrive of 120GB.  So thinking I wanted to do a
 dual boot system I went and bought a 250GB for Linux.  Tried the dual boot
 system and was not happy.  So I tried to install Mandrake 10.0 and erase XP
 but (Not thinking) it put it back on the 250 Gb drive.  So I went in and
 Installed Mandrake on the original Cdrive(after making copies of my data
 and pics) and had Mandarke do the partitioning.  Everything seems to be ok
 but when I look at the Hard Disk on my desktop there is just one.

What do you mean you had Mandrake do the partitioning? See below for an 
explanation of the question.

The dual boot idea wasn't necessarily a mistake. I officially dual booted 
Mandrake and Windows 98 SE for almost 2 years. Suddenly one day I realized 
Mandrake had run continuously for 63 days with no reboots. Windows hadn't 
booted for over 12 months. I salvaged the disk space and gave away the 
Windows 98 disks.

 NOW- I go into system/config/mountpoints and look at the drives in there
 partition state and it is strange.
 hda - has ext3 and swap details
 hdb - has NOTHING for details
 hdc - has ext3 ans swap details

The mistake(s) you made was probably two-fold. First; when you had Mandrake 
do the partitioning did you do Use Free Space or Erase Entire Disk or 
Custom Partitioning or??? If custom, did you click the tabs for the other 
drives and assign mount points? If not you basically told Mandrake it wasn't 
allowed to touch them. Sort of an ignore order. hda has a Mandrake install 
because that was the last one you did, hdc has an old Mandrake install 
because that was the previous one, but, again, you didn't tell the boot 
loader or the OS what to do with all those wonderful partitions. The tables 
were recognized but...

Also depending on the security level you chose at install you may never see 
the other disks/partitions in user land. Coming in as a self proclaimed fed 
up soon to be ex Windows customer you may have gotten a bit eager since 
Mandrake allows you to choose the security level. BTW Standard is higher 
than XP can get without a lot of help.

Before I make another point (and there is more than one to be made) is it your 
intent to *never* put Windows back on this system?

 What do I need to do?  Do I have to start over AGAIN?(bummer)
 and a footnote, if I restart my pc I get a message that says HardDrive
 Config error   - sda was removed one time and then the next time is says
 it was added.

I don't see why you'd need to start over unless you aren't happy with the 
partition tables you have now. There may be ways to correct any problems 
without anything so drastic. You must have harddrake starting at boot 
(Mandrake Control Centre, System, Services) and it's trying to guess what you 
want done with all that drive space and possibly conflicting mount points, 
etc. plus the fact you probably have a boot record on drive hdc and another 
on hda now as well.. The simplest thing to do will depend upon the answers to 
the questions above. Plus others. Talk to us, please.

 Sorry for the length of this.
 Please advise
 bj

Yeah. It's a tad longer now, isn't it? (-;

Post the answer, give details of the system and what you intend to do and 
someone with a brain will definitely jump in and correct me. Assuming I have 
a chance for another reply. (lol) OK?

Regards;
Charlie
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of the Reply To: setting in your K-Mail client. It's a pain to demand a 
personal reply on a community help list. Please.
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Re: [newbie] Trying to reinstall

2004-08-07 Thread Charlie

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:24 am, Stephen Kühn sent these thoughts:
 On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 08:16, Aron Smith wrote:
  et wrote:
   On Sunday 08 August 2004 06:01 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  On Saturday 07 August 2004 05:48 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
  I cannot get the Mdk 10.0 disks to boot ether disk 1 or disk 2
  when I put it in the drive and reboot it is ignored
  yes my cmos is set up for cdrom boot
  there is something simple here (besides me) butam having a brain fart.
  TIA smitty
  
  Well, if your BIOS is setup to boot from CDROM (and you have the
   devices in the correct order) then I dunno.
  
  Do you have more than 1 CDROM? Sometimes it will only boot from a
   certain one.
  
  Are the CDs damaged or abused in any way?
  
   did you copy the iso to a disk?? which is wrong..
 
  Yes i did

 I can almost imagine Aron having the schytz with this on a Saturday
 arvo; mistakenly copying ISO's to a CD instead of burning them
 properly...wonder if he's in Winders whilst doing this exercise...

 stephen kuhn - proprietor

What does one do to properly burn them? This is probably very stupid question? 
Further to this, if one receives the copied ISO's instead of the properly 
burned ones, is it possible to burn them properly onto another CD after 
copying them to the hard drive?

Or are you having a lend of me?

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Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup

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On Thursday 05 August 2004 23:50:11, Len Lawrence wrote:
whack
 Know what you mean.  My laptop overheats as well.  Watching DVDs is a pain
 on my Sony VAIO because it freezes after an hour or so into the film.  I
 rarely run mine anyway for longer than two hours.

 The [EMAIL PROTECTED] link is http://folding.stanford.edu

Thanks for reminding me! I totally forgot to turn the protein folding back on 
when I switched to the new machine. Woops. Two weeks lost. Thank {Deity} the 
old system is still chugging away.

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On Friday 06 August 2004 04:42:04, C. Tresenriter wrote:
 On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:16:11 -0600

 Charlie Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for reminding me! I totally forgot to turn the protein
  folding back on when I switched to the new machine. Woops. Two
  weeks lost. Thank {Deity} the old system is still chugging away.
 
  Charlie
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 I just realized the same thing after a rare reboot.
 What would I need to do to make the prog start automatically on
 reboot?
 Would a cron job do it?

I suppose you could cron the start up, but why go to that trouble? If you're 
using either of the main window managers couldn't you just save the session 
and watch it resume after you log back in? I'm fairly positive kcron would do 
it, but the folding app runs in user space so why get root involved at all? 
g

I never shut K-Mail (Kontact now) or Mozilla-Thunderbird (different focus and 
e-mail server/accounts) or gkrellm and a few others down. They have their 
space and resume in that space when I log out and in or after a reboot and 
login. Since I choose to run cooker for testing and since new kernels, 
changing init-scripts etc are the norm in testing that's the easiest way for 
me.

I stopped using a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1-6) for folding a while back, I just run 
it in konsole on desktop 6 and leave it there with any other command line 
apps that have to run unattended for long periods.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestater is running?

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On Friday 06 August 2004 05:35:05, Paul Smith wrote:
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 Thanks, Dan. I have iptables installed on my computer. However, at the
 site www.grc.com, it says that the majority of my ports are closed and
 not stealth. Is it really possible to get all ports stealth?

 Paul

Absolutely and without question Yes. Just a matter of the right Rules used for 
NetFilter.

I tested at Shields Up a minute ago. Results:

GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2004-08-06 at 14:12:14

Results from scan of ports: 0, 21-23, 25, 79, 80, 110, 113, 
119, 135, 139, 143, 389, 443, 445, 
1002, 1024-1030, 1720, 5000

0 Ports Open
0 Ports Closed
   26 Ports Stealth
- -
   26 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH,
   - NO unsolicited packets were received,
   - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestarter is running?

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On Friday 06 August 2004 09:08:09, Paul Smith wrote:
whack
 
  Absolutely and without question Yes. Just a matter of the right Rules
  used for NetFilter.

 Thanks, Charlie. I wish I knew what rules I should set on... and I have
 already consulted Firestarter's site. The results of the test on my
 computer at www.grc.com are below.

 Paul

I don't think I'll be much help with Firestarter Paul. I only tried it once 
and I believe that was 2 or more years ago. I just add the rules I want 
to /etc/shorewall/Rules and modify whatever else needs to be done in zones 
and so on then as super user; shorewall restart  service network start and 
I'm away.

The difference between Stealthed and closed is almost as much semantics as 
real. Closed is Blocked is Go Away! Interactive to the point of mildly 
rude. Stealth is No Such Address, No Such Zone, Are you in the right city or 
on the right planet? as in rude to the point of the passing port scanner 
being logged on the inside but totally ignored from outward appearance. Does 
that make things a little more clear? You are secure, you just want to be 
more-so and I understand that.

If you want to learn about Firestarter you should read The Rules. 

http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/manual/rules.php

The Stealth section is almost at the bottom of the page. Just take a deep 
breath and try to figure what it is that you want to do here, OK. You'll be 
fine.

That restart above is just because I have shorewall start at boot but not the 
network. Not the first time, I don't usually allow new installs or upgrades 
to connect to any network until things are tuned to my liking. Just personal 
preference. From being bitten once or twice. (-;

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] Starting folding at home automatically... Charlie

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On Friday 06 August 2004 10:31:10, C. Tresenriter wrote:
 I must have misunderstood you.

 I have kde set to save the session when booting up and had the
 folding client running in a terminal on an unused desktop but on
 rebooting it didn't start.

 Obviously there's something else I need to do.
 What is it I'm missing?

 Curt

OK after a bit of experimentation I've discovered that you can have the 
program running by making a link to the executable in ~/.kde/Autostart but it 
will run in the background and you won't see the progress. If, like me, you 
don't allow applications to sing out to the world until you want a 
connection, that may not be a good thing. Besides I had a habit of glancing 
at the Konsole it was running in to see how I was doing and I don't know if I 
trust the software enough to run it invisible. yet. I'm talking 
specifically of the protein folding from http://folding.stanford.edu so I 
don't know about any others.

I'll find out when it finishes the work unit that it's doing.

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Re: [newbie] Starting folding at home automatically... Charlie

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On Friday 06 August 2004 10:31:10, C. Tresenriter wrote:
 I must have misunderstood you.

 I have kde set to save the session when booting up and had the
 folding client running in a terminal on an unused desktop but on
 rebooting it didn't start.

 Obviously there's something else I need to do.
 What is it I'm missing?

 Curt

Sloppy software the uni is offering for people trying to help. If started by 
the method mentioned in my previous post the program runs, but not in the 
directory it lives in. It starts all over again and clutters the home 
directory. Maybe because I didn't register a user name and have been doing 
the units anonymously.

Use the script I think. I don't like surprises. Could you tell? g

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Re: [newbie] Starting folding at home automatically... Charlie

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On Friday 06 August 2004 10:31:10, C. Tresenriter wrote:
 I must have misunderstood you.

 I have kde set to save the session when booting up and had the
 folding client running in a terminal on an unused desktop but on
 rebooting it didn't start.

 Obviously there's something else I need to do.
 What is it I'm missing?

 Curt

I hadn't checked to see if it would work yet so it's my fault, not anything 
you missed. Besides I set my Session Manager to start with a Manually Saved 
Session so there may be differences there as well as the fact that I'm 
running cooker.

I wonder if KDE Auto-Start would handle it. I'll do some more research when i 
have a few minutes. For now you may want to use the script Paul posted.

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)

2004-08-05 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote:
 Hello,
 Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left
 and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much
 cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find
 anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys
 are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of
 movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way
 to properly and safely clean the disk without damage.

Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one 
of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, 
format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can 
have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference.

You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My 
*flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the 
original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any 
data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very 
expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level 
format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree 
sometimes.

The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the 
original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass 
comments.

 Little math lesson:
 Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we
 write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are
 171798691840 empty places
 (   (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840   ). If we write a
 file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040
 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake,
 it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we
 format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only
 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and
 containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent
 filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800
 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK
 TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes
 about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps.

What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic 
analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you 
trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I?

Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description.

 Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a
 disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really
 only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB

If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have 
the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for 
them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so 
many people despise geeks.

Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual 
prowess? 

Does anyone care?

 Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is
 everybody not understanding it with me. :

 Tomas Tudja
 136 Church Road
 N17 8AJ
 London, UK
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hysteria.sk/catcher

What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you 
do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with 
specialized tools, or through more drastic measures?

I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's question. 
What did you offer? Write movies to the disk! You do know that many 
countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do you not? It's 
called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks about the 
R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity.

Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special?

I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I and many others 
volunteer our time attempting to help others. I definitely didn't need a 
primer course in kitchen arithmetic. With _absolute certainty_ I can 
unequivocally state that I didn't need some lurker popping in to tell me in a 
backhand (or direct either) way that I am a mental midget and less than the 
dust beneath his training wheels.

To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe.

To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give it to you first.

You'd probably still screw it up though.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive

2004-08-04 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On August 4, 2004 21:11:09, Todd Slater wrote:
 I'm auctioning some hard drives and I want to wipe them and format them.
 I had all kinds of trouble creating boot floppies for some reason--even
 though no errors were reported I couldn't boot them. I ended up having
 success with making a bootable cd.

 So I'm using autoclave to wipe the hard drive; is there a linux-based
 tool (bootable floppy or cd) I can use to format the hd? What flavor
 should I format it as? Do I need anything other than fdisk?

 Todd

Most of the manufacturers have their own utilities package for formatting and 
diagnosing their drives. For example Maxtor has their Max Blast that's 
available as an ISO that burns fine under Mandrake and the resulting CD 
includes Dr-DOS to run on. With that tool you can even do a deep format to 
totally randomize the drives but be careful with that! I found some old 
drives don't take too well to this procedure, plus it's very time consuming. 
I'm fairly sure all the other manufacturers have similar tools but lately I 
haven't had to bother looking. So that memory has been flushed. (-:

For hard drives that I'm not terribly worried about any forensic analysis 
being applied I usually just slave them to a working Linux install and format 
them, then change the file system type to something other than what was there 
originally and format them again. By the time the next OS is booted and 
formats to load on that drive the chances of any of your data still being 
susceptible to anything less than a tunnelling/scanning electron microscope 
or other *very expensive* tools are probably slim. I could be wrong but 
probably not.

Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid _enough?_ 

I've also used Knoppix or PCLinuxOS (livecd distributions) to do the deed when 
I was in a hurry. Lots of tools, just pick what's easiest for you.

Good luck;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] After running chkrootkit

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On August 3, 2004 12:59:12, Trevor Rhodes wrote:
 Hello Oh Great Guru Types,

 What the hell should I be doing now?

 Checking `lkm'... You have48 process hidden for readdir command
 You have48 process hidden for ps command
 Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed

  Regards
   Trevor Rhodes

I'd probably start by reading this thread:

http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2003-02/0034.html

It's specific to that Trojan.

To answer the next obvious question from the lurkers (this is the only freebie 
you get! grin) What's a rootkit read this:

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/Hack-FAQ/unix/rootkit.shtml

I was rooted a couple weeks back, but since I was preparing to do a fresh 
install (the day it was first logged) it wasn't a big deal. I just formatted 
the drive and started over. The best part was the duplicate drive (USB) was 
clean so I didn't lose anything.

Good luck, you may need it.

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Re: [newbie] After running chkrootkit

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On August 3, 2004 12:59:12, Trevor Rhodes wrote:
 Hello Oh Great Guru Types,

 What the hell should I be doing now?

 Checking `lkm'... You have48 process hidden for readdir command
 You have48 process hidden for ps command
 Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed

  Regards
   Trevor Rhodes

I ain't a Guru! g I did send another post with some possible helpful links 
though. I hope it makes it to the list, a lot of my replies have been going 
to the Great Bit-Bucket in the Sky it seems.

But I have been a victim couple of times in the past.

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Re: [newbie] After running chkrootkit

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On August 3, 2004 14:02:02, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
whack
  I was rooted a couple weeks back, but since I was preparing to do a fresh
  install (the day it was first logged) it wasn't a big deal. I just
  formatted the drive and started over. The best part was the duplicate
  drive (USB) was clean so I didn't lose anything.

 If I was relatively a newbie and I had an alert from chkrootkit like
 that I would waste no time backing up and reinstalling.

Agreed, but if it hasn't happened, yet...knowledge is power.

 How did they manage to break into your box?  I've never had that happen
 so I'm very curious as to what avenue they pursued.

 LX

For me it was once, maybe twice, but I'll never know for sure since that drive 
died, in the 5 years I've been playing with Mandrake. 

Maybe before that too but I wouldn't have known since I didn't really know 
_anything_ before I got serious and dumped Windows. Truth be told I still 
don't know much. g

I don't know if I'd call it breakin, more an exploit of the network install, 
while I was doing an ftp upgrade of cooker to fix the oopsies in Alpha1. I 
usually test the installer at least twice on my own system and as many 
customer systems as I can get away with. I'll keep installing and testing but 
I'll be a hell of a lot more careful from here on out.

That's what I get for keeping a system as my own that I built for a customer, 
but then he should have paid me. :) I hadn't connected the old box to act as 
a local mirror/file server yet and the drives in the new box were 
pristine/virgin.

Seems it was a man in the middle exploit.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Bad signatures

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On August 3, 2004 17:53:05, et wrote:
 On Tuesday 03 August 2004 01:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:52:17 + (UTC)
 
  Jonesy wrote:
   We only have 3 seasons: Hunting, Ski, Tourist.
 
  On our recent trip to Costa Rica, we learned they only have two:
  rainy and rainier :)
 
  )
  New Hampshire (the state with 5 seasons: black fly, tourist, foliage, ski
  and mud) ... but we're not allowed to shoot the tourists :)

 I hear in Alberta Canada, they have 2 seasons, winter and consrtuction. In
 South Fla, we have wet and dry, but our saying about tourists goes we
 shoot tourists, don't we?

Not quite et. It's winter and mosquito. 10 1/2 months of ice and snow followed 
by 6 weeks of swatting the provincial bird.

What's all this sudden talk about tourists and target shooting anyway? Or is 
that why everyone here has started calling West Edmonton Mall the skeet 
range lately?

PULL! (-:

C.
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Re: [newbie] Re: Bad signatures

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On August 3, 2004 18:19:06, Brenda Bell wrote:
 Uh... I think my sig started this whole mess about seasons and
 tourists... sorry :$

Don't be sorry. You'll get used to this bunch eventually. Hell they even let 
me hang around! g

  Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org

 My dogs are from Edmonton... Lion Hill Kennel

I won't hold that against you. (-: Or your dogs.

 Brenda Bell
 Henniker (the only one on earth)
 New Hampshire (the state with 5 seasons: black fly, tourist, foliage, ski
 and mud) ... but we're not allowed to shoot the tourists :)

BTW, I *like* your signature. But I was aware of the original it's exerpted 
and paraphrased from too.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Torrent

2004-08-02 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 31, 2004 11:35:11, JRH wrote:
Hi All,

My CD1 of my 9.2 install set is buggered.

Does anyone know where I can lay my hands on a .torrent file for LM9.2 CD1,
pref ISO file?

Many thanks,

JRH

To the best of my knowledge the only torrents for Mandrake 9.2 are those that
pull down the entire release. All three ISOs.

I suppose bit torrent has it's advantages, in my opinion primarily for
downloading and sharing new releases. But in your case, since you only need 1
of the disks and possibly the md5sum file, why don't you just download the
disk you need? 700 MB (roughly) versus 2 GB (roughly) for the entire release?
Would that not save on your bandwidth use?

I think you could probably find a mirror for this yourself, but since you're
in the U.K. you will probably get fast transfer rates from a sever in Paris?

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/official/iso/9.2/i586/Mandrake92-cd1-inst.i586.iso

Good luck;
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Re: [newbie] Sceduling Automatic Reboots

2004-08-02 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On August 2, 2004 20:29:08, JoeHill wrote:
 On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:38:04 +1000

 Mark Rogers disseminated the following:
  One last item (for the moment) that I need to do is setup my system
  (which is always on) to reboot once a day. Im doing this to ensure there
  are no problems

 What problems could possibly arise from *not* rebooting?! This ain't no
 Winsux where some stupid memory leak is going to freeze your system. I've
 got all kinds of crap running at all times and I leave it running while I'm
 away, the worst problem being 700 e-mails waiting from the yahoos on this
 list ;-)

 AFAIK, rebooting is almost completely unnecessary with Linux unless you
 change your kernel or somethin'.

I agree with that opinion. I was unable to touch my system for as much as 3 
weeks during the run up to the previous Mandrake release plus an undefined 
number of days after that. Illness. Between the Mandrake lists and others I'm 
subscribed to, there were over 40,000 unread messages when I got back. 
Everything that I'd left running was still running and nothing untoward 
happened. The swap file was still unused.

When cooker is going through a test release cycle (Alpha, Beta, Release 
Candidates) I reboot a lot more than I would like, or would normally. Quite 
often just so that I can test the installer. Other than that...

As for the reboot to run a new kernel, that may change in the near future too.

There's a project (can't recall the name off hand, sorry) underway to make 
starting a new kerenl without a reboot possible.

As soon as I recall what the project is called I'll post it.

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Re: [newbie] Asus A7V8X

2004-07-31 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 30, 2004 22:55:10, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 Can't find the on board 10/100 ethernet driver.

 Used the same mb on 9.2 so I know it's here someplace.

 Anyone save me from the trek through the multitude?

 Lee

I cheat. Somebody else already did all the work:

http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/~isolis/knowledge/linux-a7v8x/

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Re: [newbie] A little guidence

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On July 30, 2004 01:25:01, KLG wrote:
Hello Shawn,
I have been using MDK 10 for a month or so now. So far I have been unable
to find documentation on MDK 10. Closest we can find is documentaion of
9.2 which is found at:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/fdoc.php3
I think most of these manuals can be used with MDK 10 also. Because core
concept and command line utilities are same. I am also learning Linux with
the help of these fine people List. They have been source or great
knowledge and encouragement. If you find any docs about MDK 10, please do
mention in list.
Regards
Kanwar Lal

If you can't find the documentation you either haven't been looking very hard
or you looked in the wrong places. The Mandrake Documentation comes on the
install disks. For 10.0 there was an update. Fetch that here:

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/official/updates/10.0/RPMS/mandrake-doc-common-10.0-5.1.100mdk.noarch.rpm

You'll also need to fetch the language specific package for the language you
use the distribution in. You should be able to find that opening a terminal,
typing
su
then strike the Enter key to become super user and providing the root password
when prompted, then type

mandrake-doc

and strike the Enter key.

Have fun! KLG, please lose the Reply To: in your mail client for list posts?
Thanks.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] Package list help.

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On July 30, 2004 12:44:12, Lanman wrote:
 To: Our Gang;

 Is there a command that will provide me with a detailed package list of
 all installed rpms? Since doing the install on my system, I've added,
 updated and removed quite a few of them, and I'd like to create a
 repository of the packages that are currently installed.

 That way, I can re-install them from a local source if I have to recover
 from a cooker install of 10.1. I know that I have a package list from my
 original install, but I'm looking for an updated list.

 Is it possible to extract the list from the RPM database? ideas?
 suggestions?


 TIA

 Lanman

/var/log/rpmpkgs should show you what you want.

It's plain text so it may just be easier than all the grepping and diffing. 
GRIN

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Re: [newbie] Switching from SuSE to Mandrake.

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On July 30, 2004 13:13:01, Larry Johnson KISE wrote:

broadaxed
 Hi all

Howdy and Welcome Home!

Now please drop the Reply To: mail client setting and we'll be fine. Or 
don't post with Outhouse errr sorry! Outlook. grin

You may find the Community Encyclopedia useful when searching for Mandrake 
specific answers:

http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org

Enjoy!

Charlie

P.S.: If you think 10.0 is good wait 'til you see what they're doing to 10.1.
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Re: [newbie] mplayer xvideo adapters

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On July 30, 2004 14:15:02, deedee emrys wrote:
 I'm trying to get mplayer to work on a 9.1 Mandrake system. After going
 through the logs and correcting a bunch of problems, I am unable to receive
 video output and get the following error message from mplayer:

 Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
 vo: X11 running at 1024x768 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (:0.0 = local
 display)

Not with that graphics adapter you won't! Reduce the resolution and the 
depth if you actually want anything usable.

 I ran 'xvinfo' as suggested in the logs and got the following:

 X-Video Extension version 2.2
 screen #0
  no adaptors present

 The video card is SiS650/651/740 GUI 2D/3D Accelerator. Mandrake
 indicates the kernel module is unknown and media class is
 display_vga.

What kernel? Have you upgraded? I'd at least install the multi-media kernel 
that was available in contribs, but there should have been at least one 
update kernel available as well.

I also vaguely recall from customer's budget boxes with that chipset that 
the SiS chipset wasn't fully supported until at least 9.2 or 10.0. I could be 
wrong though since I have a list of customer systems and routinely back them 
up and do a frsh install of the latest release of Mandrake.

 mplayer -vo help produced a list of 22 available drivers, including
 xv, x11, ggi, and so forth.

 The other remaining error concerns fonts:

 font: can't open file: $HOME/.mplayer/font/font.desc
 font: can't open file: /usr/share/mplayer/font/font.desc

 My system doesn't have the file /font/font.desc -- I did a search and
 it doesn't appear to exist.

There's a newer mplayer for 9.1 from PLF. See below.

 I installed mplayer from a Mandrake 9.1 binary,
 mplayer-0.90-0.rc4.5.91mdk.i586.rpm.

That's the correct package for 9.1 Official. It's from the updates 
directory. But there's a newer one from PLF.

 Any ideas on how I can get video output from mplayer?

 Thanks,
 deedee

Try adding a plf source so you can install all of the questionable audio and 
video codecs. In a terminal as super user paste this:

urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/10.0 with 
hdlist.cz

and strike the Enter key. Then do

urpmi mplayer [Enter]

Or even:

urpmi --auto-select [Enter]

to do it all at once but be careful with that one! There are no guarantess and 
I don't know what other sources you have defined for packages.

Let the list know if any of it helps? Thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Package list help.

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On July 30, 2004 15:57:03, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 On Friday 30 July 2004 14:30, Charlie Mahan wrote:
  On July 30, 2004 12:44:12, Lanman wrote:
   To: Our Gang;
  
   Is there a command that will provide me with a detailed package
   list of all installed rpms? Since doing the install on my system,
   I've added, updated and removed quite a few of them, and I'd like
   to create a repository of the packages that are currently
   installed.
  
   That way, I can re-install them from a local source if I have to
   recover from a cooker install of 10.1. I know that I have a package
   list from my original install, but I'm looking for an updated list.
  
   Is it possible to extract the list from the RPM database? ideas?
   suggestions?
  
  
   TIA
  
   Lanman
 
  /var/log/rpmpkgs should show you what you want.
 
  It's plain text so it may just be easier than all the grepping and
  diffing. GRIN
 
  Charlie

 Perhaps you mean '/var/cache/urpmi/rpms'?

Or perhaps not Hoyt. That's where the packages go before they're installed but 
unless you use a no-clean or keep flag that directory gets emptied after all 
transactions are finished.

The file that I posted about is where everything that has been installed is 
listed.

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Re: [newbie] Package list help.

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On July 30, 2004 16:24:04, Lanman wrote:

 Hoyt; Thanks for the suggestion, but '/var/cache/urpmi/rpms' is where
 rpms are temporarily stored until urpmi is ready to install all rpms
 that have been selected by the user. Once all the rpms required are
 download to this folder, urpmi then installs from that location.

 What I'm actually looking for is a detailed list of the rpms which would
 be currently installed on a system, not every package or rpms that was
 ever installed on a system.

 Charlie suggested that I try /var/log/rpmpkgs , but that doesn't seem to
 be accurate since I see rpms in that list that were recently removed
 from the system.

 I'm hoping that I can build a list of the exact rpms which are currently
 installed and use it as a guide for creating an archive of those exact
 rpms. Once those rpms are archived, I can then burn a CD or DVD of those
 rpms and take them to friends and clients and do a very fast update to
 any of them, assuming that they're already running Mandrake 10.0.

 urpmi *rpm would do the trick once the CD or DVD had been mounted, and
 I could work on another system while that was going on. Since I have
 rpms from Charles, PLF, Contribs, etc., I'd like to have the current
 ones rapidly available for install on new systems as well.

 Isn't there supposed to be an rpms database on my system? How does urpmi
 keep track of what's installed? Hmmm, back to the drawing board!

 Lanman

That file holds the changes made to the rpm database by updating, adding, and 
removing packages. I thought that's what you were after, sorry. The only 
other file I can think of that might hold relevant data would be the 
urpmi.log, but once again I think that one holds information all the way back 
to first install.

In the /root directory there's a drakx sub directory that holds an image file 
used for replaying the install. Is that the one you mean?

I'll shut up now.

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If it breaks, well, it wasn't working anyway...
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Re: [newbie] LAN problems ...

2004-07-29 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 28, 2004 23:02:11, J Latham wrote:
Hi All ...

This past weekend I built my first computer ... A nervewracking
experience for a newbie but I'm pleased to say nearly everything went
smoothly (and was easier than expected - esp with Mandrake 10.0 - Took a
few attempts to get WinXP loaded). The only problem now is that I can't
get the onboard network card to work with Mandrake 10.0 ... Here are some
specs:

Mobo: MSI K8N Neo Platinum
Chipset: nVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+
LAN controller: same as chipset note (nVIDIA nForce3 250Gb controller)

When I run the Network config tool in MCC it fails to recognize the onboard
LAN at all and instead asks me to make a manual choice. But none of the
choices I tried seem to work. (I tried nvnet for example but it just
brought me back to the manual choice prompt - as did the 2 or 3 other
listings I tried.)

I tried installing a PCI Linksys Etherfast card, too, and the config tool
found the card and went through the setup process without errors but I
still haven't got a working network connection ...

I've done this the easy way for so long that it's hard to remember the pain I
once had with Linksys cards. Set harddrake to run at boot, plug in the card
and you'll likely find you'll have a connection next time you boot to
Mandrake. Alternatively, plug in the card and insert install disk one and
Upgrade the install. At the summary screen be certain you configure
anything that hasn't already been done by the installer.

As I said, the easy way. There's a link below if you'd like to take a swing at
things another way.

Finally, I use a Linksys cable/DSL router to connect to my ADSL connection
... The router is configured properly as I'm using it to connect now thru
WinXP, and it also works with another box I have running Mandrake ...

I'm not sure what other info is needed to troubleshoot this so please let
me know what else I need to provide ...

Any and all help is appreciated ...

Thanks in advance,
Adam

The linked article might help. Since you have Internet access through Windows
you can download any drivers from NVidia that you may require.

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.0-0256/ReleaseNotes_Linux_nForce_1.0-0256.html

That article is an old one and the driver versions aren't current but the
information is still valid.

Good luck;
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Re: [newbie] Manual kernel upgrade - the result

2004-07-29 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 29, 2004 09:33:09, Tom Brinkman wrote:
snip

   I've seen numion recommended on other lists. Here's why I
 don't use it. In a test there just now it ended with 23,961 kbps
 for my 1,500 kbps connection. Which is nearly 16 times faster
 than my DSL is theoretically capable of. An impossibility!  Good
 for braggin rights tho ;)

I agree completely. There are much better tests available. That one has the 
advantage of being extremely graphical. g Accurate? Well not so much.

  It is correct, an I apologize for not mentioning that
 dslreports requires a java enabled browser.  At least it gives
 realistic results tho ;)

   Your cable results are exceptional. Cable users around here
 (RoadRunner, $39/mo.) report 600 to 900kbps.  Or about 1/2 to
 2/3's the speed I get with DSL.  They also report that's it's
 slower at night or on weekends. DSL remains constant no matter
 how many users are on line.

I do believe you are correct Tom, in all respects. I'm uncertain why the 
situation is different here than every other city I've heard about but it is.

Exceptional usability and decent customer service is why I haven't bothered to 
switch from my cable provider to anything else. Here in Edmonton the opposite 
conditions in re. the speed, reliability, and consistency of DSL vs cable 
obtains. A lot of my friends have switched from the phone company (DSL) to 
cable. This would be one example of why:

2004-07-29 12:01:40 EST: 2449 / 455
Your download speed : 2508636 bps, or 2449 kbps.
A 306.2 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 466083 bps, or 455 kbps.

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n3tg0d has /usr/bin/emacs been put into /etc/shells yet?  :P
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Re: [newbie] A little guidence

2004-07-29 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 29, 2004 11:43:11, Shawn Miller wrote:
 Good afternoon all

 I am new to the Linux Community and have recently been seeking out some
 good resources (books, sites) which will give me a clearer idea of the
 functionality of Mandrake Linux 10.0.

 If anyone would happen to know any good sites which contain
 documentation regarding line based commands of write ups of the GUI
 components of Mandrake 10.0 i would be most appreciative.

 Thank you in advance,
 Shawn Miller (newbie)

Welcome Shawn. I hope you like it here, and in the Mandrake World.

For the basics, I would recommend starting at:

http://safari.oreilly.com/

especially this book. Directory of Linux commands:

http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/

For more Mandrake specific stuff I strongly recommend the community 
encyclopedia, also known as a TWiki.

 http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org

While I'm making recommendations, install rute from the disks. You'll want to 
read that one through multiple times so pack a lunch.

You could read rute without installing, it's available on the 'Net in any 
number of places. Just Google rute.

Again, welcome.
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] How does one print man pages.

2004-07-29 Thread Charlie

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:56 am, Hoyt Bailey sent these thoughts:
 There has to be a better way to print man pages than to use copy/paste.
 Please give me a clue?

man topic | col | lpr

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Brahman. A spirit then? No, I am not a spirit. Then what are you? I 
am awake. __Anguttara Nikaya

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Re: [newbie] Manual kernel upgrade - the result

2004-07-28 Thread Charlie Mahan

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On July 28, 2004 14:02:02, Tom Brinkman wrote:
whack'n'snip

   The part y'all leave out is speed, so price quotes are
 sort'a useless.  256k (down)/56k (up) aDSL is available here for
 $21/month.  1.5Mb/256k aDSL is $49.  8Mb DSL (not asynchronous,
 dedicated line, no phone) is near $180/mo, but only available to
 businesses.  Several other options. Only with accounts more than
 $49/mo. is the equipment free (ie, modem and NIC).

 To check your actual speed
  http://www.dslreports.com/stest

You may have wanted to mention to anyone that hasn't managed to get java 
working yet (not really hard) that this test requires java applets.

   My 1.5Mb (1500kbps) DSL  gets about 1278 kbps down, 214 kbps up
 on a good day.

I get about twice those values on average. Shaw High Speed XTreme cable. 
Around $31.00/month Canadian. Think x.7523 to convert to U.S currency at 
today's close, or $23.32 U.S. converted.

For those that don't have, haven't been able to get java working, or don't 
want to; try the speed test at numion. It tests your connection to various 
web sites nationally or internationally. The URL is:

http://www.numion.com/

You can also test your website if you like.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Current scanners

2004-07-28 Thread Charlie

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:05 am, Lanman sent these thoughts:
 Dear List; I'm looking to buy a new flatbed scanner which will work
 seamlessly with Mandrake 9.2 and 10.0. If anyone on the list has
 recently purchased a new scanner and had an easy time setting it up,
 could you please let me know? I'm also hoping that this scanner can be
 shared by the host PC to 2 or 3 other PC's on the network, but this
 isn't critical.

 Thanks In Advance,..

 Lanman

Canon N1240U

Works a treat but viewed as a Plustec by XSANE


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake10 Community

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On July 25, 2004 11:04:11, Keith Powell wrote:
 What is the situation regarding Mandrake10 Community, please?

 Is it still very similar as Official, or has it forked a lot with regard to
 the package versions in it?

 I can't find anything about Community on the Mandrake site, can't find the
 information on Google, and can't download it just to find out. I only have
 a dial-up connection.

 Many thanks for any information.

 Cheers

 Keith

I believe Community is 10.0 + updates. I could be wrong but probably not since 
the tree structure seems to be a moving target for the last 8 months.

10.1 is based on Alpha1+new packages. An install from the  cooker snapshot 
(Alpha1 ISOs) would in all likelihood require an immediate ftp upgrade to 
the 10.1 tree. It would still be quicker (maybe) than a full FTP install of 
10.1 though.

There should be another Alpha, or possibly a Beta snapshot soon anyway.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] rpm build/checkinstall errors (solved)

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On July 25, 2004 11:10:11, Angus Auld wrote:
whack
 It appears that there is a problem with the checkinstall
 package I was using. I installed the latest beta version,
 checkinstall-1.6.0-0.beta3.2mdk.i586, and then the
 rebuilding went fine. :-)

 Now if I can only get apollon to work. :-|
 Mandrake 10.0 is proving to be a challenge for
 me thus far. It isn't nearly as stable as 9.2 was on
 my Dell.

A couple of questions Angus, since you prompted me to try to get Apollon 
working here when it wouldn't since the new machine was set up.

What security level are you running? I ask because a customer system that I 
assembled yesterday running level Standard connects and shares files 
through Apollon.

Your connection again? I'm on Shaw High Speed Xtreme and since I'm setting 
the application up and trying to make it work anything I suggest will have to 
be adapted to that difference, plus any relevant differences between Mandrake 
10.0 and cooker. We can do this, it just may take a bit.

 It also seems like things aren't as easy to find, and
 to configure. I found 9.2 was a real rock solid version
 for me on my hardware. I lost my previous installation due
 to a failed harddrive, and after installing a new Maxtor 40GB,
 I thought it would be good to go with the latest and
 greatest version of Mandrake. It has been somewhat
 of a letdown so far.

 Regards.

 --Angus

I'm not certain what the hold up is for you Angus. I've installed 10.0 on 6 
machines this past week, of that number 3 were for families that have rug 
rats that want to share their music with their friends. In all three cases 
Apollon initialized and ran without trouble. On your system and on mine there 
are difficulties. I know what may be the trouble with mine (it's cooked) but 
yours should have been simple.

Since it seems as though you managed to get it installed, have you gone into 
the ~/.giFT directory and clicked on giftd.conf? Or started apollon from a 
terminal with the -v (verbose) flag? If you haven't done either take a look 
and post the results.

I have Apollon starting at the moment but I keep getting time outs on the 
nodes during connection. I may have the security wound a little tight though 
so I'll have to check and open the default port (1213?) for it.

When I find something else I'll post it.

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Re: [newbie] Spammassassin: spamd consuming 90%+cpu time

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On July 25, 2004 15:19:03, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 On Sunday 25 July 2004 6:29 am, Stephen Kühn wrote:
  As per the subject, spamd is now consuming at least 90% of total cpu
  time; there is only ONE instance of it running as well; I've modified
  the /etc/init.d/spamassassin service startup so that it is forced to
  only have one instance of it; why, all of a sudden, is it eating my cpu
  alive? The only thing I've recently changed is to add more rulesets for
  spamassassin...and I've very carefully followed the directions on the
  spamassassin faq for performance/memory problems; this being the 2.6.3-7
  kernel, is there something else I'm doing wrong or have I missed
  something? I used to HAVE performance - now it is slowly coming to a
  crawl...

 Try using spamc as spamd is just a wrapper for spamc I understand.

 I filter using SA from within Kmail, and when I used spamd, I had my Kmail
 come to a halt while messages were being filtered, Now with spamc, there is
 only a short pause, and everything is running.

I gave up on SA completely since it would slow my old system so much it was 
nearly unusable.

Bogofilter is nicely integrated into Kontact now, takes very little teaching 
(I knew there was a reason I hadn't cleared that spam directory) and is 
almost invisible in operation.

I can heartily recommend it.

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] rpm build/checkinstall errors (solved)