Re: [newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade kernel panic
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 00:47, Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 05:51 pm, Paul wrote: | When upgrading to 10.1 Official from 10.0 Official, I keep getting a | 'kernel panic suggest passing init= error. | | If I make a new install with the same discs, there's no problem. | | Any ideas what causes this? Sometimes, lilo doesn't get the line: initrd=/boot/initrd.img added to it. Or, the line could possibly be there, but be pointing to the old *.img, and not to the new one. Boot with a Knoppix disk and have a look at /etc/lilo.conf and /boot The initrd.img file is a link--see if it points to the right kernel. And, /boot/vmlinuz must point to the the correct kernel, too. I left this for last because I, too, have had problems, and the initrd.img link was the culprit, not the vmlinuz. You would think an upgrade would always re-create the initrd.img to point to the new kernel, but not so. OOPS--kernel panic. Many thanks for the information, this does seem to be the problem area. I haven't managed to sort it yet, but still don't understand exactly whats going on. There are two kernels mentioned in lilo setup, 2.4 2.6 both lead to kernel panic if selected. the initrd.img points to the 2.6 kernel, but there are initrd2.4 2.6.img files, and point to their respective vmlinuz. Still, if I didn't like a challenge I'd be sat in front of a windows box with a noose round my neck. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade kernel panic
Paul wrote: Still, if I didn't like a challenge I'd be sat in front of a windows box with a noose round my neck. Paul I suppose that's always an option Paul. But knowing the problems you'd have with Windows, why not skip the Windows part and go straight to the noose part! At least it wouldn't be as painful as a noose AND Windows! Or you could stay here and have some fun with us, if you prefer! After all Linux is all about choice and freedom! (Noose NOT required for membership here, only common sense and a willingness to learn and help others - both of which you've already demonstrated, so it's Ok with me if you wanna stick around!) Grin, Snicker! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade kernel panic
When upgrading to 10.1 Official from 10.0 Official, I keep getting a 'kernel panic suggest passing init= error. If I make a new install with the same discs, there's no problem. Any ideas what causes this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade kernel panic
On Friday 21 January 2005 05:51 pm, Paul wrote: | When upgrading to 10.1 Official from 10.0 Official, I keep getting a | 'kernel panic suggest passing init= error. | | If I make a new install with the same discs, there's no problem. | | Any ideas what causes this? Sometimes, lilo doesn't get the line: initrd=/boot/initrd.img added to it. Or, the line could possibly be there, but be pointing to the old *.img, and not to the new one. Boot with a Knoppix disk and have a look at /etc/lilo.conf and /boot The initrd.img file is a link--see if it points to the right kernel. And, /boot/vmlinuz must point to the the correct kernel, too. I left this for last because I, too, have had problems, and the initrd.img link was the culprit, not the vmlinuz. You would think an upgrade would always re-create the initrd.img to point to the new kernel, but not so. OOPS--kernel panic. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:30:17 -0500 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 16 September 2004 11:18 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hello list Recently my test box in 10.0 Official noted new hardware on boot. With vast stupidity, I followed along and it changed my mouse driver. The mouse hiccups and goes into fits when I kvm to another box and back. I saw it as an opportunity and reformatted, then installed the new 10.1. It does the same thing. I swapped the kvm outputs with another box to make sure it was not a hardware problem (Belkin Omni-view with perfect track record). It is most definitely a mdk thing. Anyone have a suggestion or experiencing the same problem? I have not had satisfactory performance since 9.2 and, frankly, I'm growing weary. Lee Lee, is the mouse a usb mouse? No matter, go to the MCC console and check on hardware and then mouse and redo it as a usb or PS/2mouse. And it should be OK, I have had no problems with my logitech optical scroll wheel mouse. HTH-- Dennis M. linux user #180842 It's a PS2 mouse and works with 4 other boxes without failure. And I've done the mcc thing, both from console and gui. Also doesn't help to logout and startx again. Still rendered worthless or worse with jumping about. Hope 9.2 is still on the mirrors. I foolishly assumed 10 and 10.1 were upgrades and trashed my iso's. Thanks for the help, though. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:58:23 +1000 Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 03:32, Lee Wiggers wrote: Every time I was done in it was an upgrade and that occurs regularly. Upgrade and your sound doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your burner doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your ears turn green. In other words upgrade means fsk-up as much as it means improves. As I've found out (testing on several different boxen) it is always much better to do a clean installation than to do an upgrade; we had heaps of video/mouse/keyboard/sound problems with doing upgrades - so from now on it's purely clean installations...(that also goes for RedHat) -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Life is a serious burden, which no thinking, humane person would wantonly inflict on someone else. -- Clarence Darrow These were both clean installs on reformatted xfs, as I've always done. Upgrade in the sense that 10 should be better than 9. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:58:23 +1000 Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 03:32, Lee Wiggers wrote: Every time I was done in it was an upgrade and that occurs regularly. Upgrade and your sound doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your burner doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your ears turn green. In other words upgrade means fsk-up as much as it means improves. As I've found out (testing on several different boxen) it is always much better to do a clean installation than to do an upgrade; we had heaps of video/mouse/keyboard/sound problems with doing upgrades - so from now on it's purely clean installations...(that also goes for RedHat) -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Life is a serious burden, which no thinking, humane person would wantonly inflict on someone else. -- Clarence Darrow Anyway, you don't have to upgrade or fresh install to screw something up. All you have to do is update regularly. What a crock. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Saturday 18 September 2004 02:08 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: Lee, is the mouse a usb mouse? No matter, go to the MCC console and check on hardware and then mouse and redo it as a usb or PS/2mouse. And it should be OK, I have had no problems with my logitech optical scroll wheel mouse. HTH-- Dennis M. linux user #180842 It's a PS2 mouse and works with 4 other boxes without failure. And I've done the mcc thing, both from console and gui. Also doesn't help to logout and startx again. Still rendered worthless or worse with jumping about. Could you post the input devices section of your '/etc/X11/XF86Config' file -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
Hello list Recently my test box in 10.0 Official noted new hardware on boot. With vast stupidity, I followed along and it changed my mouse driver. The mouse hiccups and goes into fits when I kvm to another box and back. I saw it as an opportunity and reformatted, then installed the new 10.1. It does the same thing. I swapped the kvm outputs with another box to make sure it was not a hardware problem (Belkin Omni-view with perfect track record). It is most definitely a mdk thing. Anyone have a suggestion or experiencing the same problem? I have not had satisfactory performance since 9.2 and, frankly, I'm growing weary. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:18:09 +, Lee Wiggers wrote Hello list Recently my test box in 10.0 Official noted new hardware on boot. With vast stupidity, I followed along and it changed my mouse driver. The mouse hiccups and goes into fits when I kvm to another box and back. I saw it as an opportunity and reformatted, then installed the new 10.1. It does the same thing. I swapped the kvm outputs with another box to make sure it was not a hardware problem (Belkin Omni-view with perfect track record). It is most definitely a mdk thing. Anyone have a suggestion or experiencing the same problem? I have not had satisfactory performance since 9.2 and, frankly, I'm growing weary. My mouse kvm problems usually end with a switch to a USB keyboard and mouse (KVM with USB connections). Different Kernel versions just seem to have some aversion to mice on KVM switches. IMHO it's entirely an Linux Kernel bug that should have been put to rest a long time ago. My final solution was an inexpensive PS2-to-USB adapter cable to make all my keyboard/mouse problems USB problems. Seems USB mice just don't suffer from the same confusion. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:27:36 -0600 Scott Mazur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:18:09 +, Lee Wiggers wrote Hello list Recently my test box in 10.0 Official noted new hardware on boot. With vast stupidity, I followed along and it changed my mouse driver. The mouse hiccups and goes into fits when I kvm to another box and back. I saw it as an opportunity and reformatted, then installed the new 10.1. It does the same thing. I swapped the kvm outputs with another box to make sure it was not a hardware problem (Belkin Omni-view with perfect track record). It is most definitely a mdk thing. Anyone have a suggestion or experiencing the same problem? I have not had satisfactory performance since 9.2 and, frankly, I'm growing weary. My mouse kvm problems usually end with a switch to a USB keyboard and mouse (KVM with USB connections). Different Kernel versions just seem to have some aversion to mice on KVM switches. IMHO it's entirely an Linux Kernel bug that should have been put to rest a long time ago. My final solution was an inexpensive PS2-to-USB adapter cable to make all my keyboard/mouse problems USB problems. Seems USB mice just don't suffer from the same confusion. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) rant Let me tell you what pisses me off. I have been using the same mouse, same keyboard, and same chair since 7.2. They have all worked fine with Generic Wheelmouse until now. And never did the distro detect new hardware and do me in. Every time I was done in it was an upgrade and that occurs regularly. Upgrade and your sound doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your burner doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your ears turn green. In other words upgrade means fsk-up as much as it means improves. I'm sick of it. I burn with Nero on a 2k box. I listen to oggs and mp3s with Winamp on a 2k box. It works...always...period. I keep my files, connect with the net, and serve my site on the mdk 9.2 box. That's all important, but pretty basic crap for a hot shot super distro like mdk. /rant Call me a troll if you wish, but I've tried hard to swallow this shiet. How is a beginner supposed to embrace this crap? The current wheelmouse is a Logitech, BTW, and I was wrong about it living through all. Previous was a Microslop wheelmouse. When I bought the Logitech, I plugged it in and it worked in place of the other. Now it does not, because 10.1 detected a change two years later, I suppose? Let me also say that I can probably fix it by identifying the driver on the 9.2 box and forcing it on the 10.1 box, but why do I have to do this? Is this a computer operating system or a frustration generator? I can listen to my wife and get frustrated, although I'll admit mdk works faster. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
Lee Wiggers wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:27:36 -0600 Scott Mazur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:18:09 +, Lee Wiggers wrote Hello list Recently my test box in 10.0 Official noted new hardware on boot. With vast stupidity, I followed along and it changed my mouse driver. The mouse hiccups and goes into fits when I kvm to another box and back. I saw it as an opportunity and reformatted, then installed the new 10.1. It does the same thing. I swapped the kvm outputs with another box to make sure it was not a hardware problem (Belkin Omni-view with perfect track record). It is most definitely a mdk thing. Anyone have a suggestion or experiencing the same problem? I have not had satisfactory performance since 9.2 and, frankly, I'm growing weary. My mouse kvm problems usually end with a switch to a USB keyboard and mouse (KVM with USB connections). Different Kernel versions just seem to have some aversion to mice on KVM switches. IMHO it's entirely an Linux Kernel bug that should have been put to rest a long time ago. My final solution was an inexpensive PS2-to-USB adapter cable to make all my keyboard/mouse problems USB problems. Seems USB mice just don't suffer from the same confusion. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) rant Let me tell you what pisses me off. I have been using the same mouse, same keyboard, and same chair since 7.2. They have all worked fine with Generic Wheelmouse until now. And never did the distro detect new hardware and do me in. Every time I was done in it was an upgrade and that occurs regularly. Upgrade and your sound doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your burner doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your ears turn green. In other words upgrade means fsk-up as much as it means improves. I'm sick of it. I burn with Nero on a 2k box. I listen to oggs and mp3s with Winamp on a 2k box. It works...always...period. I keep my files, connect with the net, and serve my site on the mdk 9.2 box. That's all important, but pretty basic crap for a hot shot super distro like mdk. /rant Call me a troll if you wish, but I've tried hard to swallow this shiet. How is a beginner supposed to embrace this crap? The current wheelmouse is a Logitech, BTW, and I was wrong about it living through all. Previous was a Microslop wheelmouse. When I bought the Logitech, I plugged it in and it worked in place of the other. Now it does not, because 10.1 detected a change two years later, I suppose? Let me also say that I can probably fix it by identifying the driver on the 9.2 box and forcing it on the 10.1 box, but why do I have to do this? Is this a computer operating system or a frustration generator? I can listen to my wife and get frustrated, although I'll admit mdk works faster. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com AMEN! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 and 10.1 mouse driver
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 03:32, Lee Wiggers wrote: Every time I was done in it was an upgrade and that occurs regularly. Upgrade and your sound doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your burner doesn't work anymore. Upgrade and your ears turn green. In other words upgrade means fsk-up as much as it means improves. As I've found out (testing on several different boxen) it is always much better to do a clean installation than to do an upgrade; we had heaps of video/mouse/keyboard/sound problems with doing upgrades - so from now on it's purely clean installations...(that also goes for RedHat) -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Life is a serious burden, which no thinking, humane person would wantonly inflict on someone else. -- Clarence Darrow Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 Official Speedtouch USB
It would appear that I have found a solution to the problem! I know there are a few people who have had problems getting 10OE on the net with the Alcatel Speedtouch USB ADSL modem, so this is how I did it! Before upgrading, go to one of the 10 Community update FTP sites, and get a copy of the Speedtouch Beta RPM (must be this one, the one on the 10CE CD wont work), and the updated PPP and PPP_PPPOA RPM's. Upgrade, and then use RpmDrake to uninstall the Speedtouch, ppp and ppp_pppoa packages that came with 10 Official. Use Software installer to install the 3 new RPM's (just double click the RPM files). Job done. Go into Drakconf, and enter New Connection, and set up the connection as you normally would. Job done. To test, in a console, as root, go to /usr/share/speedtouch/ and make sure that mgmt.o is still there. If it is, type ./speedtouch.sh start. You should be on the net! JRH -- Sent using Kmail, on Mandrake Linux 10CE Microsoft: Which Virus Would You Like to Catch Today? Registered Linux User #340061 73 de M3GXQ Yaesu FT-902DM HF, 40/20/15/10m Dipole Yaesu FT-7800E VHF/UHF, Dual band Co Linear 17:31:49 up 20 min, 0 users, load average: 0.48, 0.63, 0.46 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:57 -0500, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 17:29 +0100, Phlip J Scott wrote: Hi all just installed man 10 on 3 cd`s everything went smoothly untill reboot. When it boots up it gets to looking for new hardware and will go no further just hangs. Any help on this would be greatly recieved. Try disabling USB in your BIOS and see if that will let you boot. And then stop whatever it is you've got going that's sending your message repeatedly (assuming it's not the list server hiccuping) :-) ... three copies and counting. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 11:58:34 up 12 min, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.25, 0.22 Run away from what you want; it follows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10
Hi all just installed man 10 on 3 cd`s everything went smoothly untill reboot. When it boots up it gets to looking for new hardware and will go no further just hangs. Any help on this would be greatly recieved. Philip. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL......
snipThis is only for 10CEbut the only way that I found worked was with mgmt.o on floppy, letting Drak copy it to wherever it wanted./snip With 10CE, it would read it from the floppy, but wouldnt save it anywhere at all. I used to have to manually copy it across to /usr/share/speedtouch/ JRH (using XP and hating every minute of it!) - Original Message - From: Owain Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL.. This is only for 10CEbut the only way that I found worked was with mgmt.o on floppy, letting Drak copy it to wherever it wanted. JRH wrote: Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL modem to work under 10 official? I upgraded, and for some reason, the files are still in the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder (speedtouch.sh and mgmt.o), but the modem wont start. If I open up a terminal and cd to the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder, and type ./speedtouch.sh start, the modem lights will flash away as if something is going on, but then I get a red failure message. No backtrace or anything. Can anyone pinpoint the problem? Oh yes, and when I go into drakconnect to configure the connection, I click on speedtouch USB, and I get a little warning pop up, saying sorry we only support kernel 2.4 and higher. eh?? I'm on a 2.4 kernel! Cheers, JRH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL......
snipThis is only for 10CEbut the only way that I found worked was with mgmt.o on floppy, letting Drak copy it to wherever it wanted./snip With 10CE, it would read it from the floppy, but wouldnt save it anywhere at all. I used to have to manually copy it across to /usr/share/speedtouch/ JRH (using XP and hating every minute of it!) - Original Message - From: Owain Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL.. This is only for 10CEbut the only way that I found worked was with mgmt.o on floppy, letting Drak copy it to wherever it wanted. JRH wrote: Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL modem to work under 10 official? I upgraded, and for some reason, the files are still in the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder (speedtouch.sh and mgmt.o), but the modem wont start. If I open up a terminal and cd to the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder, and type ./speedtouch.sh start, the modem lights will flash away as if something is going on, but then I get a red failure message. No backtrace or anything. Can anyone pinpoint the problem? Oh yes, and when I go into drakconnect to configure the connection, I click on speedtouch USB, and I get a little warning pop up, saying sorry we only support kernel 2.4 and higher. eh?? I'm on a 2.4 kernel! Cheers, JRH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL......
Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL modem to work under 10 official? I upgraded, and for some reason, the files are still in the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder (speedtouch.sh and mgmt.o), but the modem wont start. If I open up a terminal and cd to the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder, and type ./speedtouch.sh start, the modem lights will flash away as if something is going on, but then I get a red failure message. No backtrace or anything. Can anyone pinpoint the problem? Oh yes, and when I go into drakconnect to configure the connection, I click on speedtouch USB, and I get a little warning pop up, saying sorry we only support kernel 2.4 and higher. eh?? I'm on a 2.4 kernel! Cheers, JRH
Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL......
This is only for 10CEbut the only way that I found worked was with mgmt.o on floppy, letting Drak copy it to wherever it wanted. JRH wrote: Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL modem to work under 10 official? I upgraded, and for some reason, the files are still in the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder (speedtouch.sh and mgmt.o), but the modem wont start. If I open up a terminal and cd to the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder, and type ./speedtouch.sh start, the modem lights will flash away as if something is going on, but then I get a red failure message. No backtrace or anything. Can anyone pinpoint the problem? Oh yes, and when I go into drakconnect to configure the connection, I click on speedtouch USB, and I get a little warning pop up, saying sorry we only support kernel 2.4 and higher. eh?? I'm on a 2.4 kernel! Cheers, JRH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL......
On Monday 10 May 2004 20:26, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 10 May 2004 19:00, JRH wrote: snipI was never able to have the same modem working under Linux. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to buy an ethernet modem (which is not expensive). With ethernet modems, you will not have any problems with your ADSL connection./SNIP Paul, It worked fine under 9.2, 10 RC1 didnt have the chance, as it only lasted 45 mins before I reinstalled 9.2, 10CE was a bit of a pain in the butt to get it to go, but it ran eventually, but 10 Official is a complete no go. The drivers are on the distro, so theoretically, it should work.. I'm currently stuck in windows XP (ggg), my idea of hell, and I want to get it running on Mandrake, as I'm just fed up of reinstalling stuff now... I havent found a cheap ethernet setup yet, here in the UK (we are 10 times more expensive then the rest of the world!), and until I can find one, I'm stuck with the USB. I tried Red Hat 9 tonight, and that has no provision for USB ADSL at all (or not that I could see, anyway), so Mandrake is still ahead of RH in my book. JRH - Original Message - From: Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 Official and Speedtouch ADSL.. JRH wrote: Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL modem to work under 10 official? I upgraded, and for some reason, the files are still in the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder (speedtouch.sh and mgmt.o), but the modem wont start. If I open up a terminal and cd to the /usr/share/speedtouch/ folder, and type ./speedtouch.sh start, the modem lights will flash away as if something is going on, but then I get a red failure message. No backtrace or anything. Can anyone pinpoint the problem? Oh yes, and when I go into drakconnect to configure the connection, I click on speedtouch USB, and I get a little warning pop up, saying sorry we only support kernel 2.4 and higher. eh?? I'm on a 2.4 kernel! JRH, I was never able to have the same modem working under Linux. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to buy an ethernet modem (which is not expensive). With ethernet modems, you will not have any problems with your ADSL connection. Paul I am coming into this thread late, but I have speedtouch USB working on Mdk 10.0 official at one of my clients premises OK (USB Vendor Id: 06b9,Product Id: 4061) I am using the 2.4.25-2mdk kernel, It did not work with the 2.6 kernel, and since I was doing a remote install I could not work out why not. /etc/ppp/peers/adsl contains noauth noipdefault pty /usr/sbin/pppoa3 -m 1 -c -vpi 0 -vci 38 sync kdebug 1 noaccomp nopcomp noccp novj holdoff 4 maxfail 25 persist usepeerdns defaultroute user [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The vpi/vci numbers in this file are good for all DSL in the UK) /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets both contain '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' * 'password' * /etc/speedtouch.conf contains MICROCODE_DIR=/usr/share/speedtouch MODEM_RUN_OPTIONS= PEER=adsl CONFIGURED=1 Thats all I need to have speedtouch start automatically on booting. No need to run speedtouch.sh HTH derek Correction :- speedtouch.sh does have to be run. It is run by the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/net_cnx_up which contains #!/bin/bash /sbin/route del default /usr/share/speedtouch/speedtouch.sh start and net_cnx_down contains #!/bin/bash /usr/share/speedtouch/speedtouch.sh stop The speedtouch will be initialised when the 'Internet' service starts. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10
I've installed 10 on my computer and though most of it is great, some issues have manifested themselves in such a way to make me believe that Mandrake 10 Offical is suited more for machines less than two years old, so at times I feel that staying with 9.2 on my PIII four year old may have left me with fewer problems. As I am still new to Linux, I can only offer the above as my own perceived experience. Regards Frank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 John Wilson wrote: On May 8, 2004 04:39 pm, Phlip J Scott wrote: Hi just a quick question before I start another adventure. I had 9.2 up and running without problems, but as I am trying out different things before deciding which to stick to. So a few weeks ago I got a copy of lindows 4.5 so I decided to try it out, the installation went well and it seemed to be working fine. Then the problems started first hardly any programs with the disk, you have to download from a website wich charge for the use. Secondly all email and web pages, infact anything you saved Lindows did not remember. So I decided to bin it, two days later I had my Pc up and running with an older version of windows 98, this was all to do with the bootloader in Lindows. Anyway I digress, tomorrow I intend to install a proper version of Linux Mandrake 10. I have the set of 3 CD`s and intend to run it along side windows on a 30 Gig partition. Are there any issues I need to consider before installation. Philip. --- Some individuals have had all kinds of problems with 10 while most seem to be relatively problem free. I'm one of the lucky ones who's problem free. :-) Go for it. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10
I've installed 10 on my computer and though most of it is great, some issues have manifested themselves in such a way to make me believe that Mandrake 10 Offical is suited more for machines less than two years old, so at times I feel that staying with 9.2 on my PIII four year old may have left me with fewer problems. As I am still new to Linux, I can only offer the above as my own perceived experience. Regards Frank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 John Wilson wrote: On May 8, 2004 04:39 pm, Phlip J Scott wrote: Hi just a quick question before I start another adventure. I had 9.2 up and running without problems, but as I am trying out different things before deciding which to stick to. So a few weeks ago I got a copy of lindows 4.5 so I decided to try it out, the installation went well and it seemed to be working fine. Then the problems started first hardly any programs with the disk, you have to download from a website wich charge for the use. Secondly all email and web pages, infact anything you saved Lindows did not remember. So I decided to bin it, two days later I had my Pc up and running with an older version of windows 98, this was all to do with the bootloader in Lindows. Anyway I digress, tomorrow I intend to install a proper version of Linux Mandrake 10. I have the set of 3 CD`s and intend to run it along side windows on a 30 Gig partition. Are there any issues I need to consider before installation. Philip. --- Some individuals have had all kinds of problems with 10 while most seem to be relatively problem free. I'm one of the lucky ones who's problem free. :-) Go for it. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10
Hi just a quick question before I start another adventure. I had 9.2 up and running without problems, but as I am trying out different things before deciding which to stick to. So a few weeks ago I got a copy of lindows 4.5 so I decided to try it out, the installation went well and it seemed to be working fine. Then the problems started first hardly any programs with the disk, you have to download from a website wich charge for the use. Secondly all email and web pages, infact anything you saved Lindows did not remember. So I decided to bin it, two days later I had my Pc up and running with an older version of windows 98, this was all to do with the bootloader in Lindows. Anyway I digress, tomorrow I intend to install a proper version of Linux Mandrake 10. I have the set of 3 CD`s and intend to run it along side windows on a 30 Gig partition. Are there any issues I need to consider before installation. Philip. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 26/04/2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10
On May 8, 2004 04:39 pm, Phlip J Scott wrote: Hi just a quick question before I start another adventure. I had 9.2 up and running without problems, but as I am trying out different things before deciding which to stick to. So a few weeks ago I got a copy of lindows 4.5 so I decided to try it out, the installation went well and it seemed to be working fine. Then the problems started first hardly any programs with the disk, you have to download from a website wich charge for the use. Secondly all email and web pages, infact anything you saved Lindows did not remember. So I decided to bin it, two days later I had my Pc up and running with an older version of windows 98, this was all to do with the bootloader in Lindows. Anyway I digress, tomorrow I intend to install a proper version of Linux Mandrake 10. I have the set of 3 CD`s and intend to run it along side windows on a 30 Gig partition. Are there any issues I need to consider before installation. Philip. --- Some individuals have had all kinds of problems with 10 while most seem to be relatively problem free. I'm one of the lucky ones who's problem free. :-) Go for it. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 official.....
I see from the mandrake site, that 10 Official is available for download Although I cant see any ISO Images available.. are there images yet? or is it too new? JRH -- Sent using Kmail, on Mandrake Linux 10 Community Exposing Microsoft products directly to the internet, is a bit like painting a large bullseye on your butt, and bending over, naked, in a San Francisco steam room. Except, Microsoft isnt nearly as safe Registered Linux User #340061 ICQ: #86015236 Yahoo!: v6vitanic 20:09:15 up 3:35, 1 user, load average: 0.95, 0.83, 0.66 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 official.....
On Saturday 24 April 2004 02:10 pm, JRH wrote: I see from the mandrake site, that 10 Official is available for download Although I cant see any ISO Images available.. are there images yet? or is it too new? JRH There are no images available yet as far as I know. I had to use bittorrent . It installed in 9.2 without any of the dependancy problems that I had with older versions of bittorrent and worked without any problems at all, only took about 4 hours per CD. Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and Windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 00:52, Rick Kunath wrote: This one has me stumped... I have a pure 10 community install with the correct 10 official updates because I reinstalled Mandrake after the short mistaken trip some of us took to Cookerville. I know the Mandrake updates of the last few days are on the mirror I am using. I know I don't have them already installed. I have the correct Mandrake 10 updates and distribution set up via urpmi. I deleted the update source several times and forced a reload by recreating it. Still, no updates appear in the MCC list. Any idea as to why MCC isn't working. I've never seen this issue through all of the Mandrake distros I ever used. Rick, as far as I can see there is no didicated updates tree for MDK 10.0CE. It seems that all the updates go into main. I guess that's why Mandrake Update doesn't work. Now, if you have defined main, contrib and plf, try this : In MCC remove updates. Then, go to at root command-line and type urpmi --auto-select I wouldnt' be surprised if you suddenly find youself in a maelstrom of updates. Worked for me, but YMMV. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:00 am, Margot wrote: I kept getting emails from Mandrake about available updates, I finally found a working mirror, but still didn't get any updates through MCC, so I checked the list of updates against the list of packages I had installed and found that the updates were for packages I didn't have installed! Maybe you have the same situation? MCC 'Update' only gives you updates for packages where you've got an out-of-date version installed. If you decide later that you do need these packages, go to 'Install' rather than 'Update' in MCC and you can then download the newest version from the updates mirror. Margot I thought the same thing too, but I did a check of one of the packages, xine-ui of yesterday. I have an old version of the package installed. The new version is on the updates mirror I have configured. I have the updates mirror configured correctly using the --update switch of urpmi, so it is actually recognized as an updates mirror. The path of the mirror is correct. If I enter xine into the search box of the update utility of MCC after it has run, showing nothing, the updated xine package appears in the package list, as I expected it to with the update check. But it won't appear during an update check, nor do any of the other packages that should. I am beginning to think that Mandrake Update is broken on 10? Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 updated just fine on several other of my boxes after I corrected the mirror info. No such luck on 10. There isn't any reason I can think of that the updates shouldn't show up in Mandrake Update. This one has me stumped. Rick Kunath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 14:02, Rick Kunath wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:00 am, Margot wrote: I kept getting emails from Mandrake about available updates, I finally found a working mirror, but still didn't get any updates through MCC, so I checked the list of updates against the list of packages I had installed and found that the updates were for packages I didn't have installed! Maybe you have the same situation? MCC 'Update' only gives you updates for packages where you've got an out-of-date version installed. If you decide later that you do need these packages, go to 'Install' rather than 'Update' in MCC and you can then download the newest version from the updates mirror. Margot I thought the same thing too, but I did a check of one of the packages, xine-ui of yesterday. I have an old version of the package installed. The new version is on the updates mirror I have configured. I have the updates mirror configured correctly using the --update switch of urpmi, so it is actually recognized as an updates mirror. The path of the mirror is correct. If I enter xine into the search box of the update utility of MCC after it has run, showing nothing, the updated xine package appears in the package list, as I expected it to with the update check. But it won't appear during an update check, nor do any of the other packages that should. I am beginning to think that Mandrake Update is broken on 10? Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 updated just fine on several other of my boxes after I corrected the mirror info. No such luck on 10. There isn't any reason I can think of that the updates shouldn't show up in Mandrake Update. This one has me stumped. Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ? Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ? Yes. Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise. I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards. I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update. Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything. Rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 14:55, Rick Kunath wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ? Yes. Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise. I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards. I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update. Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything. When I did urpmi --auto-select it showed me about 120 rpms and asked if I wanted to proceed. Like you, I was a little confused, so I compared the list to what I actually had installed on my system, and - lo and behold - all the proposed packages were of a newer version. So, I entered Y, and about ½ an hour later everything was up to date. I even compared the new rpms to the ones in the official updates tree, and you know what ? - Mine were newer. I think it's safe to conclude, that there are no updates to CE, but main, contrib and plf gets updated as time goes by. Who knows ? Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 13:55, Rick Kunath wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ? Yes. Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise. I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards. I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update. Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything. Rick urpmi --update --auto-select --auto installs without showing a list urpmi --update --auto-select shows you a list of proposed updates and asks for confirmation. Mandrake Software Install GUI has a filter on 'Update Availability' so you can browse the descriptions before deciding to install updates. Mandrake Update GUI similarly shows a list of updates mdkonline will pull up mdkupdate when you select 'Install Updates', and will then show a list. How many more ways do you need? derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 17:32, Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 13:55, Rick Kunath wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ? Yes. Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise. I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards. I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update. Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything. Rick urpmi --update --auto-select --auto installs without showing a list urpmi --update --auto-select shows you a list of proposed updates and asks for confirmation. Mandrake Software Install GUI has a filter on 'Update Availability' so you can browse the descriptions before deciding to install updates. Mandrake Update GUI similarly shows a list of updates mdkonline will pull up mdkupdate when you select 'Install Updates', and will then show a list. How many more ways do you need? derek Derek, I think the confusion stems from the re-arranged mirrors. When launching Mandrake Update, nothing happens although there are tons of upgrades to 10.0CE. A closer look reveils that the original sources in Mandrake Update are out of date. Furthermore, when browsing the updated mirrors, i.e. proxad, the are a multitude of Mandrake trees. In the devel-branch, however, no updates are anywhere to be found. But in the official tree, there is the usual updates tree for all, recent versions. My guess is, that for official the GUI Update works, but it certainly doesn't in CE. Hence this long thread. Your above mentioned CLI options do, luckily. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 21 april 2004 00:52, schreef Rick Kunath: This one has me stumped... I have a pure 10 community install with the correct 10 official updates because I reinstalled Mandrake after the short mistaken trip some of us took to Cookerville. I know the Mandrake updates of the last few days are on the mirror I am using. I know I don't have them already installed. I have the correct Mandrake 10 updates and distribution set up via urpmi. I deleted the update source several times and forced a reload by recreating it. Still, no updates appear in the MCC list. Any idea as to why MCC isn't working. I've never seen this issue through all of the Mandrake distros I ever used. Rick Kunath take a look at http://www.anvil.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mandrake/ HTH. ronald - -- Registered Linux User 163597 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAhqj5oPgG5kUDwJIRAhllAJ0db6cjhKWYTVxixI/WssEat1hOWQCeLNmI cDfL3rhRnYgsG5lRcprJC3c= =FtnG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 Updates not showing?
This one has me stumped... I have a pure 10 community install with the correct 10 official updates because I reinstalled Mandrake after the short mistaken trip some of us took to Cookerville. I know the Mandrake updates of the last few days are on the mirror I am using. I know I don't have them already installed. I have the correct Mandrake 10 updates and distribution set up via urpmi. I deleted the update source several times and forced a reload by recreating it. Still, no updates appear in the MCC list. Any idea as to why MCC isn't working. I've never seen this issue through all of the Mandrake distros I ever used. Rick Kunath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:23:35 +1000 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: Gotta get the girliefriend's box up to speed first - so I can use her box as storage. Um, could you use a different word when referring to your girlfriends computer? I can't stop giggling at that sentence... -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ This isn't America; the government did not invent intelligence material nor exaggerate the description of the threat to justify their attack. -- Israeli newspaper Haaretz, regarding the killing of Sheik Ahmed Yassin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 16:16, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:23:35 +1000 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: Gotta get the girliefriend's box up to speed first - so I can use her box as storage. Um, could you use a different word when referring to your girlfriends computer? I can't stop giggling at that sentence... It was carefully worded to leave one thinking, mate. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- If anything can go wrong, it will. -- Edsel Murphy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On April 8, 2004 08:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 06 April 2004 03:18 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:12, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 05 April 2004 12:25 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Just to clarify. 975 is the installed space, not the amount of MB's d/l'd. Depending on compression of the various rpms, the d/l amount was probly about 40% of 975mb's, or less than 400 mb's Since those rpms replaced already installed packages, the net change in disk space used was probly little to nothin. ...still a FAIR HEAP of updates, mate - don't ya reckon? but that would be updateing to 10.1 cooker,,, not 10.0 final,,, cooker reopened adn you might be looking at the cooker sources for that large of a download, at this time... So how would i find out if i updated to cooker ? Regards, Dan Gordon -- Fri Apr 9 15:35:52 EDT 2004 15:35:52 up 4:45, 0 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 Meekness is uncommon patience in planning a worthwhile revenge. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Friday 09 April 2004 03:37 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: On April 8, 2004 08:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 06 April 2004 03:18 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:12, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 05 April 2004 12:25 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Just to clarify. 975 is the installed space, not the amount of MB's d/l'd. Depending on compression of the various rpms, the d/l amount was probly about 40% of 975mb's, or less than 400 mb's Since those rpms replaced already installed packages, the net change in disk space used was probly little to nothin. ...still a FAIR HEAP of updates, mate - don't ya reckon? but that would be updateing to 10.1 cooker,,, not 10.0 final,,, cooker reopened adn you might be looking at the cooker sources for that large of a download, at this time... So how would i find out if i updated to cooker ? Regards, Dan Gordon look at your urpmi sources,,, are they cooker sources??? (do they say 'devel' or 'cooker' in the source tree? -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On April 9, 2004 04:01 pm, et wrote: look at your urpmi sources,,, are they cooker sources??? (do they say 'devel' or 'cooker' in the source tree? Well i went to change my sources the other day to different mirror and it was right about the time of the tree restructuring so right now i have none LOL, cant remember whether they said devil, cooker or otherwise. It was from easy urpmi before the directory changes if that helps. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Fri Apr 9 16:13:29 EDT 2004 16:13:29 up 5:23, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.23, 0.14 He played the king as if afraid someone else would play the ace. -- John Mason Brown, drama critic Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tuesday 06 April 2004 03:18 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:12, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 05 April 2004 12:25 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Just to clarify. 975 is the installed space, not the amount of MB's d/l'd. Depending on compression of the various rpms, the d/l amount was probly about 40% of 975mb's, or less than 400 mb's Since those rpms replaced already installed packages, the net change in disk space used was probly little to nothin. ...still a FAIR HEAP of updates, mate - don't ya reckon? but that would be updateing to 10.1 cooker,,, not 10.0 final,,, cooker reopened adn you might be looking at the cooker sources for that large of a download, at this time... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Good government never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders. -- Frank Herbert, Children of Dune -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 10:26, et wrote: but that would be updateing to 10.1 cooker,,, not 10.0 final,,, cooker reopened adn you might be looking at the cooker sources for that large of a download, at this time... Ed, after the shitz with the damn kernel sources for 9.2, I'm debating upgrading my nice, firm, stable, rock-solid (yeah, I fixed perl) workstation/server from 9.1+ to 10CE...(at least I'm running it in a virtual machine with VMware - but still having the shits with disk 5) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Recursion is the root of computation since it trades description for time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Thursday 08 April 2004 09:15 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 10:26, et wrote: but that would be updateing to 10.1 cooker,,, not 10.0 final,,, cooker reopened adn you might be looking at the cooker sources for that large of a download, at this time... Ed, after the shitz with the damn kernel sources for 9.2, I'm debating upgrading my nice, firm, stable, rock-solid (yeah, I fixed perl) workstation/server from 9.1+ to 10CE...(at least I'm running it in a virtual machine with VMware - but still having the shits with disk 5) well you should really only need disk 1 to get a good working install, and disk 5 is the powerpack extras... most folks won't get but the first 3 disks, and then add contrib as a urpmi source to load whatever else they want stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Recursion is the root of computation since it trades description for time. -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Thursday 08 April 2004 09:41 pm, et wrote: and then add contrib as a urpmi source to load whatever else they want Yeah that would work great if there were any mirrors that actually had the distro on them. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 11:41, et wrote: well you should really only need disk 1 to get a good working install, and disk 5 is the powerpack extras... most folks won't get but the first 3 disks, and then add contrib as a urpmi source to load whatever else they want Only disk 1? Mate, I'm the kinda person that installs EVERYTHING I could possibly install; always been funny like that (at least on my PERSONAL box - not on customer's boxes). Gotta get the girliefriend's box up to speed first - so I can use her box as storage. And have to set time aside as I reckon it's going to require a very long weekend. With lots of beer. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- I never failed to convince an audience that the best thing they could do was to go away. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10
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Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Lanman wrote: frankieh wrote: I'm with Wanman here. Wanman, eh? You wascally wabbit! You've been typing while wearing your boxing gloves again, haven't you? Lanman Lol, Well, you could call what we do on this list wide area networking so it kinda fits doesn't it??? Its hard to type when you have a coffee in one had and a cig in the other... :-) -- rgds Frank Hauptle (aka Franki) For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com Free web developer resources. Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 11:48, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: Good point. I'll keep that a bit more under wraps from now on. stephen kuhn - owner LOL! Nice to see your sense of humour is intact Stephen. Lanman Do NOT let on that I have a sense of humour. That could ruin my reputation, mate. stephen kuhn - owner Consider it done - Grouchy ! Nudge Nudge!, etc. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Monday 05 April 2004 12:25 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Just to clarify. 975 is the installed space, not the amount of MB's d/l'd. Depending on compression of the various rpms, the d/l amount was probly about 40% of 975mb's, or less than 400 mb's Since those rpms replaced already installed packages, the net change in disk space used was probly little to nothin. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:12, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 05 April 2004 12:25 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Just to clarify. 975 is the installed space, not the amount of MB's d/l'd. Depending on compression of the various rpms, the d/l amount was probly about 40% of 975mb's, or less than 400 mb's Since those rpms replaced already installed packages, the net change in disk space used was probly little to nothin. ...still a FAIR HEAP of updates, mate - don't ya reckon? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Good government never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders. -- Frank Herbert, Children of Dune Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 or cooker?
Hello people: I am using 10CE since RC1 appeared. I was updating my system using the cooker sources from easy urpmi. Some days ago I saw that easy urpmi had an entry for 10, so I updated my sources to reflect this change. Now, every time that I try to update my system I get the message Everything already installed. My question is: should I point my sources to cooker or should I stay with my sources pointing to 10? Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:17, Adolfo Bello wrote: Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo How do you stack it up against, say, 9.1 or 9.2? I've been graced with a heap of CD's and am DYING to install it on something - anything... (Got a copy of Slackware 9.1 as well - nice) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- A prediction is worth twenty explanations. -- K. Brecher Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:17, Adolfo Bello wrote: Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo How do you stack it up against, say, 9.1 or 9.2? I've been graced with a heap of CD's and am DYING to install it on something - anything... (Got a copy of Slackware 9.1 as well - nice) stephen kuhn - owner Stephen; I can't speak for others, but I'm extremely impressed with 10.0. Not only does it run faster with cleaner graphics than it's predecessors, but a lot of the little functions that used to screw up constantly are now working as advertised. Mandrake Control Center has become well-defined, with a wider variety of specific panels for configuring various aspects of the network, etc. All in all, I'm enjoying this one better than most, even though previous versions have each had significant improvements and tweaks. This is definitely one version to buy. Just my $0.02 FWIW. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 10:31, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:17, Adolfo Bello wrote: Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo How do you stack it up against, say, 9.1 or 9.2? I've been graced with a heap of CD's and am DYING to install it on something - anything... (Got a copy of Slackware 9.1 as well - nice) stephen kuhn - owner I've been using Mandrake since version 9.0. This release (10) has been, until today, the most rewarding experience with Linux, including SuSe 9, which I also use. 10CE is fast. The new ACPI interface is really nice. For the first time in my laptop life I have no problem with sound, power saving options and programs running at 100% processor load when I turn ACPI on. Using a USB keyring is a pleasure. Hotplug works fine. When I installed RC1 I had a minor annoyance with aRts every time that I booted the laptop. However, sound worked fine. The message disappeared after updating my system with urpmi. I have not tried any Irda or firewire device yet. I recommended 10CE to some of my coworkers and they are really happy using it. I am using kernel 2.6.3-7. BTW, it is a pleasure to see you posting again to the list. Saludos, Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 00:43, Lanman wrote: Stephen; I can't speak for others, but I'm extremely impressed with 10.0. Not only does it run faster with cleaner graphics than it's predecessors, but a lot of the little functions that used to screw up constantly are now working as advertised. Mandrake Control Center has become well-defined, with a wider variety of specific panels for configuring various aspects of the network, etc. All in all, I'm enjoying this one better than most, even though previous versions have each had significant improvements and tweaks. This is definitely one version to buy. Just my $0.02 FWIW. Lanman Ok - so that being said, has anyone had any farts doing an upgrade of 10CE over the top of either 9.1 or 9.2? These CD's are burning a hole in my bench and I'm jones-ing to see this. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Generic Fortune. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 01:01, Adolfo Bello wrote: I've been using Mandrake since version 9.0. This release (10) has been, until today, the most rewarding experience with Linux, including SuSe 9, which I also use. ...I reckon you've convinced me. Now to start backing up all my mail and bookmarks and scripts... 10CE is fast. The new ACPI interface is really nice. For the first time in my laptop life I have no problem with sound, power saving options and programs running at 100% processor load when I turn ACPI on. Using a USB keyring is a pleasure. Hotplug works fine. When I installed RC1 I had a minor annoyance with aRts every time that I booted the laptop. However, sound worked fine. The message disappeared after updating my system with urpmi. I have not tried any Irda or firewire device yet. I recommended 10CE to some of my coworkers and they are really happy using it. I am using kernel 2.6.3-7. ...2.6! Yeehaw! BTW, it is a pleasure to see you posting again to the list. Thanks mate. Glad to see yer still kickin! stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Lots of girls can be had for a song. Unfortunately, it often turns out to be the wedding march. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Lanman wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:17, Adolfo Bello wrote: Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo How do you stack it up against, say, 9.1 or 9.2? I've been graced with a heap of CD's and am DYING to install it on something - anything... (Got a copy of Slackware 9.1 as well - nice) stephen kuhn - owner Stephen; I can't speak for others, but I'm extremely impressed with 10.0. Not only does it run faster with cleaner graphics than it's predecessors, but a lot of the little functions that used to screw up constantly are now working as advertised. Mandrake Control Center has become well-defined, with a wider variety of specific panels for configuring various aspects of the network, etc. All in all, I'm enjoying this one better than most, even though previous versions have each had significant improvements and tweaks. This is definitely one version to buy. Just my $0.02 FWIW. Lanman I'm with Wanman here. I have been playing with mdk10 non stop since I installed it Its got more and better eye candy.. seems pretty stable once installed. (I am already considering it for my replacement mail server) . I've been totally impressed with the improvements over 9.2. give it a go.. if you can get it installed, you've won the battle as everything else is just gold... -- rgds Frank Hauptle (aka Franki) For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com Free web developer resources. Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 01:16, frankieh wrote: I'm with Wanman here. I have been playing with mdk10 non stop since I installed it Its got more and better eye candy.. seems pretty stable once installed. (I am already considering it for my replacement mail server) . I've been totally impressed with the improvements over 9.2. give it a go.. if you can get it installed, you've won the battle as everything else is just gold... So install it (upgrade) right over the top, ya? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The world is made of four elements: Earth, Air, Fire and Water. This is a fact well known even to Corporal Nobbs. It's also wrong. There's a fifth element, and generally it's called Suprise. (The Truth) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On April 5, 2004 10:31 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:17, Adolfo Bello wrote: Nothing life threatening. Mdk 10 is a gem. I just want to make sure that my system is up to date. Adolfo How do you stack it up against, say, 9.1 or 9.2? I've been graced with a heap of CD's and am DYING to install it on something - anything... (Got a copy of Slackware 9.1 as well - nice) Stephen, I thought 9.2 was great and cursed 10 when i tryed to install it on my old PIII 800, but it seems it was my cd-rw was buggerd. I just installed 10 on my new computer on the weekend and i am totaly impressed. Have had no problems yet. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Mon Apr 5 11:53:59 EDT 2004 11:53:59 up 2:27, 0 users, load average: 0.06, 0.08, 0.16 The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanations of complex facts. Seek simplicity and distrust it. -- Whitehead. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 10:18, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Ok - so that being said, has anyone had any farts doing an upgrade of 10CE over the top of either 9.1 or 9.2? These CD's are burning a hole in my bench and I'm jones-ing to see this. I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot (manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated them). That was about it. Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for me. (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long update session after install.) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 10:56:46 up 1:42, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 01:59, Dan Gordon wrote: Stephen, I thought 9.2 was great and cursed 10 when i tryed to install it on my old PIII 800, but it seems it was my cd-rw was buggerd. I just installed 10 on my new computer on the weekend and i am totaly impressed. Have had no problems yet. Regards, Dan Gordon I'm looking forward to having an updated automake - I get the sh_ts with trying to compile programs every now and again. Eye candy is nice, having a 2.6 kernel is nicer...besides, eye candy makes for resource hungry. Is Enlightenment still included? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'. -- Rincewind discussing Twoflower (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On April 5, 2004 12:00 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote: I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot (manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated them). That was about it. Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for me. (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long update session after install.) I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Mon Apr 5 13:23:11 EDT 2004 13:23:11 up 3:56, 0 users, load average: 0.41, 0.19, 0.34 Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, Lord of the Rings] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
frankieh wrote: I'm with Wanman here. Wanman, eh? You wascally wabbit! You've been typing while wearing your boxing gloves again, haven't you? Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: I'm looking forward to having an updated automake - I get the sh_ts with trying to compile programs every now and again. Eye candy is nice, having a 2.6 kernel is nicer...besides, eye candy makes for resource hungry. Is Enlightenment still included? stephen kuhn - owner Yup. Still there mate. I'm seeing something here that probably merits mentioning though. Stephen, you keep using the word upgrade. Just curious, but are you planning to select the upgrade option during the installation, or do you plan on a fresh install? I've seen several people talking about upgrades, and how their systems were screwed up afterwards. Personally, I use a package list on a floppy, and re-install the list, then I look through the packages listed in the Software Management Section of Mandrake Control Center to add anything the install missed. It saves me about 40 minutes of going through the flat install list, and I know which apps and packages will be waiting for me once I boot into it again. The key to this is to leave your home folder untouched ( ie; DO NOT FORMAT) during the install. Just give it the same partition name/mount point it had before, and continue with the install. I'm pretty sure that many people on the list know how to do this, but I just wanted you to know about this option if you didn't already know. HTH Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 03:25, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon I'll have to find a faster 56k modem, ya reckon? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The fellow sat down at a bar, ordered a drink and asked the bartender if he wanted to hear a dumb-jock joke. Hey, buddy, the bartender replied, you see those two guys next to you? They used to be with the Chicago Bears. The two dudes behind you made the U.S. Olympic wrestling team. And for you information, I used to play center at Notre Dame. Forget it, the customer said. I don't want to explain it five times. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 04:21, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: I'm looking forward to having an updated automake - I get the sh_ts with trying to compile programs every now and again. Eye candy is nice, having a 2.6 kernel is nicer...besides, eye candy makes for resource hungry. Is Enlightenment still included? stephen kuhn - owner Yup. Still there mate. I'm seeing something here that probably merits mentioning though. Stephen, you keep using the word upgrade. Just curious, but are you planning to select the upgrade option during the installation, or do you plan on a fresh install? I've seen several people talking about upgrades, and how their systems were screwed up afterwards. Joy. I can't afford to have a screwed up system - can't really afford to have it down for more than a few hours. Gads...going to have to think of a backout/recovery plan...*UNLESS* I can talk the girlfriend into installing it fresh on her machine - she just redid 9.2 so I don't think I'll have to twist her arm muchly... Personally, I use a package list on a floppy, and re-install the list, then I look through the packages listed in the Software Management Section of Mandrake Control Center to add anything the install missed. It saves me about 40 minutes of going through the flat install list, and I know which apps and packages will be waiting for me once I boot into it again. The key to this is to leave your home folder untouched ( ie; DO NOT FORMAT) during the install. Just give it the same partition name/mount point it had before, and continue with the install. I've got some really strange mount points - and / and /home are on one - don't ask why. But hey, I reckon now I can stick in that extra forty gigger for giggles and grins... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- She has an alarm clock and a phone that don't ring -- they applaud. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 05 April 2004 20:09, Lanman wrote: frankieh wrote: I'm with Wanman here. Wanman, eh? You wascally wabbit! You've been typing while wearing your boxing gloves again, haven't you? Lanman I guess you've just been upgraded :-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcduSkFAvMr/nNX8RAg29AJ42O92Bs1A0PAyz8wiVYjDOKE6I7gCfTYUh b69gYmHRkWOraq1igY8GxAM= =qEy7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Monday 05 April 2004 04:09 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: On April 5, 2004 01:52 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 03:25, Dan Gordon wrote: I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon I'll have to find a faster 56k modem, ya reckon? Or let it go for the weekend while your out pulling your boat around with one hand and holding your beer in the other :-) Or is that the other way around ? Hey Stephen ever been to Cooktown AU for some real serious drinkin? Regards, Dan Gordon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 09:50, Lanman wrote: P.S. - Do you think that you really should be talking about your strange mount points on this list? There may be a few kids on here! Grin! Wan, OH Damn! I give up! XXXman ! Good point. I'll keep that a bit more under wraps from now on. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- My band career ended late in my senior year when John Cooper and I threw my amplifier out the dormitory window. We did not act in haste. First we checked to make sure the amplifier would fit through the frame, using the belt from my bathrobe to measure, then we picked up the amplifier and backed up to my bedroom door. Then we rushed forward, shouting The WHO! The WHO! and we launched my amplifier perfectly, as though we had been doing it all our lives, clean through the window and down onto the sidewalk, where a small but appreciative crowd had gathered. I would like to be able to say that this was a symbolic act, an effort on my part to break cleanly away from one state in my life and move on to another, but the truth is, Cooper and I really just wanted to find out what it would sound like. It sounded OK. -- Dave Barry, The Snake Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 11:07, Aron Smith wrote: Hey Stephen ever been to Cooktown AU for some real serious drinkin? Regards, Wherever I go there is serious drinking. I'll have to find Cooktown. I could be in the middle of Woop Woop and have serious drinking going on. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Identify your visitor. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: Good point. I'll keep that a bit more under wraps from now on. stephen kuhn - owner LOL! Nice to see your sense of humour is intact Stephen. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 11:48, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: Good point. I'll keep that a bit more under wraps from now on. stephen kuhn - owner LOL! Nice to see your sense of humour is intact Stephen. Lanman Do NOT let on that I have a sense of humour. That could ruin my reputation, mate. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Yes me, I got a bottle in front of me. And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy. Just different ways to kill the pain the same. But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, Than to have to have a frontal lobotomy. I might be drunk but at least I'm not insane. -- Randy Ansley M.D. (Dr. Rock) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
Dan Gordon wrote: On April 5, 2004 12:00 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote: I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot (manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated them). That was about it. Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for me. (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long update session after install.) I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Can you tell me where you got the updates?? from what ftp server I mean.. and what path.. I've been trying to add an update source to get all these packages.. I must have done it wrong, because it added the new sources but still said there was no updates. (I wasn't using the default mirror list in mandrakeupdate, I manually added a couple of what I thought were cooker sources, I guess I got it wrong so I'm hoping someone can show me an example of what they setup for the updates.) -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 14:23, franki wrote: Dan Gordon wrote: On April 5, 2004 12:00 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote: I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot (manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated them). That was about it. Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for me. (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long update session after install.) I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i installed. Its working beutifully. Regards, Dan Gordon Can you tell me where you got the updates?? from what ftp server I mean.. and what path.. I've been trying to add an update source to get all these packages.. I must have done it wrong, because it added the new sources but still said there was no updates. (I wasn't using the default mirror list in mandrakeupdate, I manually added a couple of what I thought were cooker sources, I guess I got it wrong so I'm hoping someone can show me an example of what they setup for the updates.) It was happening to me until this evening. I just refreshed my urpmi sources and 42 packages were updated. Using ftp.rediris.es sources as supplied by easy urpmi. Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On April 5, 2004 02:23 pm, franki wrote: Can you tell me where you got the updates?? from what ftp server I mean.. and what path.. I've been trying to add an update source to get all these packages.. I must have done it wrong, because it added the new sources but still said there was no updates. (I wasn't using the default mirror list in mandrakeupdate, I manually added a couple of what I thought were cooker sources, I guess I got it wrong so I'm hoping someone can show me an example of what they setup for the updates.) About an hour after installing i went into mcc and clicked on the updates icon and there were all kinds of them there, this was before i messed around with urpmi. But today i saw that easy urpmi has updated there server lists for 10 CE so it sould not be long before they are up to date. Im already seeing tons of stuff there. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Tue Apr 6 01:22:05 EDT 2004 01:22:05 up 3 min, 0 users, load average: 0.12, 0.17, 0.08 Power is poison. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Charlie wrote: This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. Well, I managed to sort out the shutdown problem by using acpi=on, but my next project is to get the sound working so I've saved your suggestion in case it helps - or in case getting the sound working breaks my newly-fixed shutdown! Thanks Charlie! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:06 am, Margot wrote: After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Unless 'acpi=on' is undocumented, it's not a valid 2.6.x kernel parameter. See kernel-parameters.txt (you'll need kernel source installed. Any 2.6 kernel-source will do). Valid parameters are acpi=off, acpi=ht which both turn off acpi, and acpi=force, which forces acpi on. Simply not having any acpi parameter should turn acpi on, as it's built into the kernel as on by default. You can leave that parameter in tho, it's just being ignored by the kernel. .. Run 'draksound' as root in a term. Follow all the steps under trouble shooting. I'd add to also run 'll /dev/dsp'. Ouput should look like this tom # ll /dev/dsp lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Apr 1 23:56 /dev/dsp - sound/dsp The last '-x' means user can execute sound, and '-' that dsp is linked to sound. 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' should return nothing. This means nothing is currently tyin up sound, which is what you want. Also, I didn't need aumix installed as draksound indicates. What enabled sound in 10.0 for me was to raise all the sliders in kmix to 100% . including the ones under the 'line-in' icons on the right side. At least one of 'em is the line-in from your speaker system. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:06 am, Margot wrote: After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Unless 'acpi=on' is undocumented, it's not a valid 2.6.x kernel parameter. See kernel-parameters.txt (you'll need kernel source installed. Any 2.6 kernel-source will do). Valid parameters are acpi=off, acpi=ht which both turn off acpi, and acpi=force, which forces acpi on. Simply not having any acpi parameter should turn acpi on, as it's built into the kernel as on by default. You can leave that parameter in tho, it's just being ignored by the kernel. .. Run 'draksound' as root in a term. Follow all the steps under trouble shooting. I'd add to also run 'll /dev/dsp'. Ouput should look like this tom # ll /dev/dsp lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Apr 1 23:56 /dev/dsp - sound/dsp The last '-x' means user can execute sound, and '-' that dsp is linked to sound. 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' should return nothing. This means nothing is currently tyin up sound, which is what you want. Also, I didn't need aumix installed as draksound indicates. What enabled sound in 10.0 for me was to raise all the sliders in kmix to 100% . including the ones under the 'line-in' icons on the right side. At least one of 'em is the line-in from your speaker system. Checked the obvious first - volume was set to 0 in Aumix, turned it up - sound now working! This 10 is very impressive - just about everything so far has been easier to fix than in 9.0 or 9.2, and the only real problem has been caused by malfunctioning unit between chair and keyboard ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:10 pm, many eyes viewed Margot's words:- Charlie wrote: This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 ^^ Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. Well, I managed to sort out the shutdown problem by using acpi=on, but my next project is to get the sound working so I've saved your suggestion in case it helps - or in case getting the sound working breaks my newly-fixed shutdown! Thanks Charlie! Margot Though I didn't mention it here Margot, that support line:- dxs_support=2 try several numbers at the end of that I started from 0 and got to 2 before it not only made my sound work, but shut down my computer without the root command, in Mandrake 9.2 Though previous versions of Mandrake had no trouble, either shutting down or with sound. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + The generative energy, which, when we are loose, dissipates and makes us unclean, when we are continent invigorates and inspires us. Chastity is the flowering of man; and what are called Genius, Heroism, Holiness, and the like, are but various fruits which succeed it. ...Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. With those option enabled, post the results of (should look somethin like mine): tom # cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i acpi BIOS-e820: 1fffc000 - 1000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 1000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS) ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f62a0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc0b2 ACPI: BOOT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc030 ACPI: MADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc058 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec0] global_irq_base[0x0]) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl edge) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 low level) ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0xe408 Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040311 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Monday 29 March 2004 03:26 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. 2.6.x ACPI is in very good health. It's nForce* based motherboards that are broken. I believe the kludge I've seen for nForce junk is to use 'apm=power-off' in lilo.conf See the source/comments in /usr/src/linux-2.6.?-?mdk/arch/i386/kernel/apm.c /rant/ Now before y'all nForce owners get upset, I use junk to describe win-hardware. nVidia designs and builds its chips to fully optimize under M$ operating systems, and in collaboration with M$. The rave reviews and hyperbole you read (based your hardware choice on?) have no relevance to use under a Linux OS. Mainly because nVidia refuses (isn't allowed by M$ licensing) to furnish source and hardware specs to kernel.org/OSS community. So if ya get upset with anybody, direct it at Billy Goate$ first. This is his main crime, not integrating IE (US), or Winsux Media Player (EU). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
I wasn't looking for blame to be placed anywhere, though MS is the door to lay all blame. I will try the apm=power-off though and see if it helps me. Thanks, Tony. It was reviews of speed which helped me decide to use Nforce. How naive, sorry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown On Monday 29 March 2004 03:26 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. 2.6.x ACPI is in very good health. It's nForce* based motherboards that are broken. I believe the kludge I've seen for nForce junk is to use 'apm=power-off' in lilo.conf See the source/comments in /usr/src/linux-2.6.?-?mdk/arch/i386/kernel/apm.c /rant/ Now before y'all nForce owners get upset, I use junk to describe win-hardware. nVidia designs and builds its chips to fully optimize under M$ operating systems, and in collaboration with M$. The rave reviews and hyperbole you read (based your hardware choice on?) have no relevance to use under a Linux OS. Mainly because nVidia refuses (isn't allowed by M$ licensing) to furnish source and hardware specs to kernel.org/OSS community. So if ya get upset with anybody, direct it at Billy Goate$ first. This is his main crime, not integrating IE (US), or Winsux Media Player (EU). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have recieved it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. With those option enabled, post the results of (should look somethin like mine): tom # cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i acpi BIOS-e820: 1fffc000 - 1000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 1000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS) ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f62a0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc0b2 ACPI: BOOT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc030 ACPI: MADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc058 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec0] global_irq_base[0x0]) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl edge) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 low level) ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0xe408 Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040311 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 *10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28 pm, many eyes viewed Margot's words:- Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life. It goes on. ---Robert Frost This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Do you have acpi or apic turned off? Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Margot Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have recieved it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. On this my machine, that problem was solves in bios by Enabling, enable power something, cannot quite remember which, but doing the same thing on another machine did not work. So I don't know if this is resevent to your problem, but it sometimes works. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 March 2004 04:14 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. On this my machine, that problem was solves in bios by Enabling, enable power something, cannot quite remember which, but doing the same thing on another machine did not work. So I don't know if this is resevent to your problem, but it sometimes works. John There was a problem like that with some of the intel mouther boards at on time. I think the problem dates all the way back to ML 9.0 I have seen it on several machines. In fact when I have seen the problem after you see the power down message you actually have to press and hold down the power button to get the machine to shut down. I have no idea if it has been fixed in 10.0 Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 Mar 2004 12:23 pm, Marc wrote: There was a problem like that with some of the intel mouther boards at on time. I think the problem dates all the way back to ML 9.0 I have seen it on several machines. In fact when I have seen the problem after you see the power down message you actually have to press and hold down the power button to get the machine to shut down. I have no idea if it has been fixed in 10.0 Marc This machine developed the problem by itself while I was running 9.0. Since upgrading to 9.1 (and then 9.2) I haven't seen it. Probably only because I haven't done the same daft thing, whatever it was. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? An extra sync just before unmounting the filesystems and rebooting. It's the way I first learned the shutdown procedure raising skinny elephants is sometimes utterly boring R S E I S U B Margot There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm ... here is the changelog * Tue Mar 23 12:00:00 2004 Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - fix specfile rm -rf for ppc(64) and missing 'asm-' in *x86* includes * thanks to Danny for reporting this - remove orinoco 0.14alpha2 patch, it's to buggy at this stage... - drop lirc patch MD07, as it's merged in the updated MD05 - fix ZS99 menu-cleanups patch to actually allow ppc builds (Danny) - new ppc(64) configs (Danny) - map sysrq to powerbutton on power and ibooks (Danny) - acpi 20040311 (Svetljo) - update packet writing support (Svetljo) - support ITE it8212 RAID chip (Svetljo) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? An extra sync just before unmounting the filesystems and rebooting. It's the way I first learned the shutdown procedure raising skinny elephants is sometimes utterly boring R S E I S U B Margot There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm ... here is the changelog * Tue Mar 23 12:00:00 2004 Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - fix specfile rm -rf for ppc(64) and missing 'asm-' in *x86* includes * thanks to Danny for reporting this - remove orinoco 0.14alpha2 patch, it's to buggy at this stage... - drop lirc patch MD07, as it's merged in the updated MD05 - fix ZS99 menu-cleanups patch to actually allow ppc builds (Danny) - new ppc(64) configs (Danny) - map sysrq to powerbutton on power and ibooks (Danny) - acpi 20040311 (Svetljo) - update packet writing support (Svetljo) - support ITE it8212 RAID chip (Svetljo) Thanks Tom - I'll give it a try and see what I get. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 6:45 pm, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? To answer the original question - the cheat sheet I have here has O for Off... Unless It turns something else off... -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? Margot Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have fixed the USB glitch for most people. Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. g BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I mean between the U and B. Just in case. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org When you speak to others for their own good it's advice; when they speak to you for your own good it's interference. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAYIlUZqvqlrLPr5YRAjwkAJ9BkfwCLl6PptDOfU8NP0bhA7Xo2wCfQvNZ ilKQZdq9PM4e4wKjoqfavIU= =Bqde -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? Margot Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have fixed the USB glitch for most people. Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. g BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I mean between the U and B. Just in case. Regards; Charlie Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 Powerpack CD1 woes (longish)
It's funny as I can't get CD 1 to boot, I have to boot with CD2 and then swap them over. Everything is fine then. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 Powerpack CD1 woes (longish) On Thursday 11 March 2004 01:21 pm, Poogle wrote: Thanks, but this was bittorrent, md5sums on the ISO's said O.K, I forgot to add in my original post that I had tried booting from CD 2 and then changing to CD 1 when asked, that gave the same result Your iso's are only OK, _IF_ you check them before and _AFTER_ burning. Even then, before I mail sets to friends I make sure CD1 boots an proceeds. md5sum /dev/hd?... and then compare to the appropriate md5sum in the Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-md5sums.asc If they don't exactly match, first place to look is USER choices (how did you burn?)... hardware (system, burner, media used). Is this with an nForce chipset based system? That's also a poor USER hardware choice that has many problems. That many problems such as this are often reported against. See cooker archive. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have recieved it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
