Re: [newbie-it] installazione MDK 8
...in pratica non ho ancora risolto molto. Le cose stanno così: Sono andato sul sito della xfree86, per chi interessa ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pup/Xfree86/4.1.0 qui (nel file README) ho trovato informazioni su come installare la patch per xfree86_4.0.3 Infatti la 4.1.0 dovrebbe supportare la mia scheda, ricordo che si tratta di una s3virge 86C325. i comandi da impartire sono edl tipo: gzip -d 4.0.3-4.1.0.diff1.gz | patch -p0 -E rm -f xc/programs/xieperf/images/image.012 rm -fr xc/fonts/bdf/latin2 gzip -d 4.1.0.tgz |tar vxf alcune cose non mi sono chiare: I) - il testo dice di applicare questi comandi a to a clean 4.03 source tree di cosa si tratta ? come faccio ad ottenere questo ? II) - dice di partire dalla directory contenente la dir xc/ o provato a cercarla e non l'ho trovata, dov'è ? mi è sorto il dubbio che non tutto è stato installato durante l'installazione di MDK8. Allora ho voluto fare una ricerca di quali pacchetti sono installati. ho usato i comandi rpm tipo rpm -Uvh..., rpm -Va, rpm -qpi con il seguente risultato Errore usando rpm: cannot open packages index using db3 Argomanto non valido (22) the rpm database cannot be opened in db3 format. if you have just upgrade the rpm package you need to convert your database to db3 format by running rpm -- rebuilddb as root error: cannot open Packages database /var/lib/rpm ho provato ad eseguire rpm --rebuilddb ho ottenuto error: cannot open Packages index cosa posso fare ? mi sembra di esser un poco bloccato vi ringrazio tutti in anticipo giorgio - Original Message - From: freefred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] installazione MDK 8 On Monday 25 June 2001 14:51, Stefano Salari wrote: ...ed ora la doccia fredda: Ho visto sul sito di kde (www.kde.org) che per far girare l'ambiente sono necessari questi rpm: kde-i18n-Brazil-2.1... 26-Mar-2001 08:13 1.4M kde-i18n-Catalan-2.1.. 26-Mar-2001 08:13 614k kde-i18n-Chinese-2.1.. 26-Mar-2001 08:13 754k kde-i18n-Chinese-Big.. 26-Mar-2001 08:13 703k queste sono pero' le localizzazioni per i vari paesi, di solito si installa quella italiana e quella inglese. Sono tante, e grazie a dio puoi farne a meno:-) Comunque, riguardo al thread, aspetterei prima di reinstallare il tutto. Non ti parte X, non sembri avere problemi di windows manager. X e' appunto un server, su cui si appoggiano le varie grafiche.Ma volendo potresti lanciare solo X e un'applicazione, avresti uno schermo grigio con solo la finestra del programma. la S3Virge (che ho avuto anch'io) ha sempre avuto problemi con l'xfree in effetti. Tempo fa infatti avevano fatto un xserver apposito, l'S3V se non ricordo male. Se ti funzionava con la mdk 7.2 e ora no, puo' darsi che tu abbia questa volta installato l'xfree 4 e prima usavi il 3.3.6 o anche solo aggiornato la versione del 4. Ti consiglio prima di tutto di controllare che versione di xfree stai usando e poi cercare a www.xfree.org o in rete se e come e da cosa e' meglio supportata la tua scheda. Puoi anche provare a leggere il file /var/log/XFree86.0.log (o qualcosa del genere) per vedere se ti da' messaggi di errore piu' significativi Come gia' ti hanno detto vedere quale server sta usando il tuo pc e se questo supporti la tua scheda. guarda qui: http://www.xfree.org/current/Status28.html#28 in pratica dice che la tua S3 e' ben supportata dal xfree 3.3.6 (con l'xserver XF86_S3, ma anche quello vga) e forse, ma non ho ben controllato, dall'xfree 4.1.0, che e' appena uscito e quindi di certo non hai installato. Direi che in fase di installazione tu abbia scelto di usare l'xfree 4 (versione 4.0.3?) che sembra non supportare la tua scheda, o cosi' pare.
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Re: [newbie-it] installazione MDK 8
ok, ho provato rpm --version è la 4.0 mentre i comandi rpm -qa |grep rpm o rpm --initdb danno sempre l'errore cannot open Package Index using db3... a quanto pare, sono proprio messo male se voglio installare qualcosa giorgio
Re: [newbie-it] installazione MDK 8
- Original Message - From: gblinux To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] installazione MDK 8 ...in pratica non ho ancora risolto molto.Le cose stanno così:Sono andato sul sito della xfree86, per chi interessaftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pup/Xfree86/4.1.0qui (nel file README) ho trovato informazioni su come installare la patchper xfree86_4.0.3Infatti la 4.1.0 dovrebbe supportare la mia scheda, ricordo che si tratta diuna s3virge 86C325.i comandi da impartire sono edl tipo:gzip -d 4.0.3-4.1.0.diff1.gz | patch -p0 -Erm -f xc/programs/xieperf/images/image.012rm -fr xc/fonts/bdf/latin2gzip -d 4.1.0.tgz |tar vxfalcune cose non mi sono chiare:I) - il testo dice di applicare questi comandi a "to a clean 4.03 sourcetree"di cosa si tratta ? come faccio ad ottenere questo ?II) - dice di partire dalla directory contenente la dir "xc/"o provato a cercarla e non l'ho trovata, dov'è ?mi è sorto il dubbio che non tutto è stato installato durantel'installazione di MDK8.Allora ho voluto fare una ricerca di quali pacchetti sono installati. housato i comandi rpmtipo rpm -Uvh..., rpm -Va, rpm -qpi con il seguente risultatoErrore usando rpm:cannot open packages index using db3Argomanto non valido (22)the rpm database cannot be opened in db3 format. if you have just upgradethe rpm package you need to convert your database to db3 format by running"rpm -- rebuilddb" as rooterror: cannot open Packages database /var/lib/rpmho provato ad eseguire "rpm --rebuilddb"ho ottenutoerror: cannot open Packages indexcosa posso fare ? mi sembra di esser un poco bloccatovi ringrazio tutti in anticipogiorgioCiao è capitato anche a me e dopo vari tentativi ho rislto così : nome_del_pacchetto --rebuilddb e poi installi normalmernte, ovvero : rpm -ivh nome_del_pacchetto il tutto nel path dove hai scaricato il pacchetto e da root ciao Massimo
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Re: [newbie] Installation Questions
It was Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:07:14 -0400 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I was asked during installation something like 1) remove windows 2) use the current windows partition 3) create a new partition. I want to keep windows, so option 1 is out. What is the difference between option 2 and 3? 2 will try to downsize the windows partition so there is space for Linux. I don't like options like that because they do nasty things to the partition table. 3 looks for any remaining space on the drive that is not claimed by another OS and will use that space. 2. I choose to use the current windows partition and it installed all but the 3 minutes remaining and froze. Since you can mail, you can probably boot Winders. Find something like partition magic or so to resize the winders partition. That way you have space available for Linux. If you cannot find partition magic or can't afford it, you may consider reinstalling winders and leaving space available. Paul -- Major premise: Sixty men can do sixty times as much work as one man. Minor premise: A man can dig a posthole in sixty seconds. Conclusion: Sixty men can dig a posthole in one second. -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.4.99 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
Re: [newbie] C compiling errors
It was Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:51:15 -0700 when Rajagopal Iyengar wrote: Hi, I have a Mandrake 7.0 version of linux on my pentinum III 450 Mhz. I have included both include and lib libraries in my path. I am trying to compile a C program and it says it cannot find the files. I looked at the include and lib directories, the files are there? Do I need to set up any other environment variables? Hi Raj, Could you send a report on the messages that come up? The files is kind of vague. There are so many files, so much diskspace... You can dump the output of the compile to a file by doing cc prog.c output.txt or make prog output.txt Paul -- Major premise: Sixty men can do sixty times as much work as one man. Minor premise: A man can dig a posthole in sixty seconds. Conclusion: Sixty men can dig a posthole in one second. -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.4.99 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
Re: [newbie] curious ....
At 08.34 01/07/01, you wrote: I do a lot of home video editing the total cost of my own built machine is still 1/3 of what a high end Mac costs. Exclude the iMac which at their cheapest, or affordable if you like, is still a $1000 without a rebate. I don't use anything smaller than a 17 monitor since my eyes are going ka ka. The iMacs is not an appealing or an option for me personally. You could plug any monitor you want to the iMac. I like the PowerMacs but all of the ones I have seen even with rebates are still out of my range and many many people. I guess like any luxury if you willing to eat spam and bologne use the toothpaste until the tub is rolled flatter than paper than great. Just curios does anyone run Linux, without third party software, on a Mac? I saw a package claiming to run Red Hat Linux on any Mac. Just curios to see how that is done with or without a third party software. Linux on a Mac? stupid. Buy a PC it's cheaper!!!
Re: [newbie] curious ....
On Sunday 01 July 2001 03:30, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 08.34 01/07/01, you wrote: I do a lot of home video editing the total cost of my own built machine is still 1/3 of what a high end Mac costs. Exclude the iMac which at their cheapest, or affordable if you like, is still a $1000 without a rebate. I don't use anything smaller than a 17 monitor since my eyes are going ka ka. The iMacs is not an appealing or an option for me personally. You could plug any monitor you want to the iMac. I like the PowerMacs but all of the ones I have seen even with rebates are still out of my range and many many people. I guess like any luxury if you willing to eat spam and bologne use the toothpaste until the tub is rolled flatter than paper than great. Just curios does anyone run Linux, without third party software, on a Mac? I saw a package claiming to run Red Hat Linux on any Mac. Just curios to see how that is done with or without a third party software. Linux on a Mac? stupid. Buy a PC it's cheaper!!! not stupid. Mandrake for Power PC, and use broadcast 2000 for video editting smooth in my humble opinion. But truly expensive for the Power PC MAC. of course you can build a P4 PC with 512 megs ram and a uwscsi 2 hard drive that will do the editting even better (also in my opinion) for a few bucks less than buying the Power MAC
[newbie] Newbie and Siemens Celvin EasyPC.
Hi, I am new to the list and to Mandrake. I would like to do a dual install (Win 98 SE (UK)/Mandrake) on my daughter's Fujitsu/Siemens Celvin EasyPC. I have Partition/Boot Magic, so this shouldn't be a problem in theory. It is however, unclear to me as to whether the EasyPC (legacy free) standard is supported. EasyPC has no serial or parallel ports. Everything, including floppy drive, keyboard, etc. is USB based. Looked in the archives and found no mention of Celvin, EasyPC or legacy free. Any ideas or advice? Cheers, Brian --
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
$.02: David E. Fox wrote: So far so good...some servers should be included, postfix / apache probably for starters. No need for innd,postgresd, etc. Again, the current installation profiles need to be tweaked - one shouldn't have to go for a server install to get a few necessary (plus some that aren't - depending on what you want to do) plus 'workstation' plus 'development' to get a basic workstation with some development and server capability -- which I think is what many want. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Also, make sure standard installation: - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a client and a server to make it easy to play multiplayer games over a network (or locally), but can make it a little confusing for someone who just want to play a local single player game. Someday you'll want to learn the commands to start the server and client separately, when you do press help_for_multiplayer. (Or have multiplayer be an option on a startup menu after you start Civ with the single command. Or, default to multiplayer, and ask How many players on this computer?, How many players on other computers?, and How many computer players?) (I guess I should send this to the FreeCiv list.) Randy Kramer
[newbie] missing rate... dirheader.html Error Message
Hello yet again everyone I have posted this message before, but I'm getting real desperate. This is my last attempt at installing Linux as I can't go any further. I don't even know what the following error message means, therefore can't find a solution (what is a rate?). I've searched and searched the net; this mailing list's archives; asked Mandrake Experts (no reply); searched and searched some more, but I am STUCK and can't go any further. I'm starting to wonder if it is worth the time and effort I have already put into it! I have tried six times to intall Mandrake 8.0 but the same error message is displayed at the same stage of the install process. I am STILL trying to install from hard drive. After creating a native linux partition and booting with a boot disk (hd.img), I selected install to own partition (linux native partition). All goes well for a while and then an error message comes up: Error An error occurred missing rate for !-- Beginning of: /www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html -- Can anyone tell me what this means? I went back into Windows and searched thru the entire Linux directory of files that I downloaded for a file named htdocs or dirheader.html but found nothing. I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do. I've search thru the net for clues but again found nothing. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Skinky
Re: [newbie] LimeWire Installation
In order to get LimeWireOther to work follow these steps Download Sun's latests JRE Install Sun's JRE Get LimeWireOther Run /usr/java/jre1.31/bin/java -classpath LimeWireOther.zip install This is assuming you accepted all the default paths in the JRE That should do it! On Friday 29 June 2001 21:10, Jon Doe wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2001 03:39 pm, you wrote: Yah, download the Other package and make sure you have the JRE on your system, and follow the instructions for installing . I never did get the linux package to install. Good luck, I couldn't get the Other package to work either. I did get gtk-gnutella to install though.
[newbie] Its here...!
Okay, I got my crash-suit yesterday, and the included bonus was phenom! ;-) PS Now I have a question. I had already placed an order for the v8.0 Powerpack thru the Mandrake online store. I also bought a t-shirt as well as making the open-source contrib. My question is, how do I cancel that order? (note I only want to cancel the order for the Powerpack, not the t-shirt or contribution!!!) Thanks. -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [newbie] alternative kernel 2.2.19, 2.4.3 linus install and after
On Sunday 01 July 2001 09:50 am, you wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2001 22:15, s wrote: I was wondering if someone could tell me how to load 8.0 from the cds using 2.2.19 kernel. On install you go to expert mode, then at individual package selection you click the two cyan arrows at the bottom of the panel which say toggle between tree and flat list to bring up an alpha list. You then scroll fown to the k's and select either or both of kernel22-2.2.19-10mdk and kernel-linus-2.4.3-2mdk. This gets them installed. Now at bootloader time, you click on Modify and write doen the informations from one of the linux boots. Then you exit that modify and click Add. You enter all the same information except labels and boot image. You choose a different boot image. You will find vmlinuz-2.2.19-10mdk and/or vmlinuz-2.4.3-2mdklinus in the drop down list. make the boots and label them appropriately. If you have already installed, then use the software manager to install the kernel(s) you want. Following that, use Control Center to first list an existing linux boot then to make new one(s) with label and boot image changed. This is the basic. Later if you want to be really fancy with the multiple personalities you have given your computer, it is possible to use mkinitrd for each of them separately. You might want to try kernel-linus 2.4 before 2.2.19 to see the performance. As you know we have deliberately slowed our stock 2.4 on some systems to protect from a nasty hardware bug that was first announced just days before our release. I think kernel-linus does not have this protective feature. Civileme Thanks so much for taking the time to reply. :-) -s
[newbie] XAW TV and sound
I was having working XAW TV. I wanted to record sound from the tv show. I tried to use grecord(sound recorder) with source as video. it gave erro and sound from xaw tv also gone. How to restore the sound to xaw tv? sound is working otherwise for system sounds and xmms. -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux user No.205042
[newbie] Mandrake 8 and sis 6215
I was trying to install MDK 8.0 in a machine with SIS card 6215. While installing it starts in graphics. I saw in console one as 16 bpp, driver as cfb16, no acceleration and FBDev used. But after installation GUI doesn't work. First I get hanging with Super check serial port. I have also observed one more funny thing while install. Though I have 3 button ord mouse, it shows buttons 5 and zaxismapping in tty1. I saw X as 3.3.6 using X -version after installation. But xf86config leads to a file that is compatible with X 4. It didn't give option of selecting X while installing. How to go about mdk 8.0 and sis -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux user No.205042
Re: [newbie] Use of Linux
Since there is so many risks of constantly using a root account, how in the world are you supposed to get work done without being logged in as root?? I am a new user and am looking for a desktop alternative to Windows. I have no interest in consoles, command lines, writing scripts, compiling kernels, etc. I just want a solid system supporting a complete, useful, and reasonably intuitive GUI that lets me do what I need to do and want to do. I am the sole user of my home/home office computer. My husband on rare occasions might write an e-mail on the Windows side of the computer, but he would have to be hog-tied to get him into the Mandrake 8 side. After getting mightily annoyed at having to run su in a console or run Super User file managers or give my root password time after time in order to run Mandrake Control Center or other root-only utilities, I now log in all the time as root. Before the geekoids on the list warn me of my impending eternal damnation,g let me explain my reasoning: I am the sole user. I am thus both root and judy (the only user). If I want to do something that will affect the all-important system files, I'm going to do it whether I'm logged in as user or root. So working as user does nothing but make me jump through more hoops to do what I'm going to do anyway. Why not avoid the hassle and work as root all the time? One password per session and no consoles for su-ing, I can unmount my Zip disks at will, I can deal with all files in all file managers, I can edit what I need to, I can install programs without problems. See, these security features can't stay the way they are if Linux is to attract even the Mac's share of the desktop market. Home business and consumer users will react the way I did and just get fed up and abandon Linux if they have to go through these endless permissions, logins, and passwords to manage their systems. In a home system, you're constantly installing or upgrading software or making changes to your display or your hardware. Any consumer GUI has to accommodate such usage, which is nothing at all like what a larger network requires. It seems to me that something could be incorporated into Linux desktops to make them friendlier to SOHO and home users while maintaining some system safety. For example, have a super user login that allows the equivalent of root access, but throws up a warning message when the root/user is about to make a change ordinarily reserved for root--something like You are about to change system files, which could have bad consequences. Okay? Cancel? --Judy Miner
Re: [newbie] The Root account
Well at least it wasn't your mother -- that happened to me once! On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:20, Franki wrote: kinda funny,, My girlfriend saw me working on a linux server I had here, and she was watching when I logged in as root it took two hours to convince her that I wasn't a dirty bast@rd and that it was the standard all power account,, she is still looking at me strangely :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michel Clasquin Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake. On Saturday 30 June 2001 10:35, Franki wrote: Hi all, think about it.. take one mdk install, remove all servers and the multiple apps of the same apps, settle on one for each,, one word processor, one spreadsheet, one text editor,, one of everthing... except games, of course settle on just Gnome or KDE, nothing else.. (probably KDE as its just that bit more like win blows to look at) but with the loser's essential libraries all loaded and ready to go. no choice of console or X at boot, make it always boot to GUI... check they could call it Mandrake Linux for Windows users. Youi like getting sued by Microsoft, then? Bad idea. - winblows asks you if you want to install a notepad.. - Linux asks you how many different text editors you want to install, or I know, I know. I installed mdk 7.2, and mdk 8 came out before I had even gotten around to trying out all the ftp clients! It has so many extra featurs over windoze,, consider the following.. Here is what is needed.. 1. A current 2.4 kernel... 2. a poll to ask everyones opinion on what is the easiest most useful of each app type that should be included in this distro. 3. One of each app type only... use the above poll to determine what app should be chosen for each app type. OK, I'll bite. Here are my suggestions: Since we are basing this discussion on a KDE setup, it seems logical to use KDE apps unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. So, we are talking Kwrite, kppp, Konqueror etc etc The reverse of this would apply if we were to go for a GNOME desktop, of course. The only real problem is that KOffice is IMHO not quite ready yet (though there are some interesting rumours about the next version going around). So if we are going to bundle an office suite, it will most likely have to be star office - but i have just downloaded some alpha code for Ability Office for Linux to look at, so that range is expanding a bit. That one will probably not be free though. Which raises another question: is this new distro to be like Debian - puritstically free in all respects, or can it contain non-GPL free-beer and even commercial software? non-KDE/non-GNOMEapps: xmms - it looks like Winamp, sounds like winamp, it even uses winamp skins. A newie essential. Netscape/mozilla: for compatibility reasons xgalaga - just because GIMP - Yes I know it is a Gnome app, but you could hardly not mention it separately, right? 4. No servers included in this distro. 5. market it as linux for windoze users... the power of linux with the ease of windows. (that may not appeal to us, ,but it will appeal to windoze users..) 6. possibly even a file manager that calls / (c drive) /home (my docs) and /usr (prog files) and /proc (linux) and /mnt/floppy (a drive) /mnt/cdrom (d drive) to help them feel at home, although thats proably overkill... NO g Additionally 7. Hide the root account even more than is being done already. Extensive use of kdesu is the key here. Package the root password as knowing a special secret code that lets you install new things rather than as just the password of some weird user called root. (Honey, do we know anyone called Root?) because it cuts down on alot of the reasons that linux is great, but it should still be done because its the best way to lure disgruntled windoze users over to the greener pastures.. Some good ideas here. Hope the mandrakeans are reading this forum. Hey, what was the name of Mandrake the Magician's sidekick again? Lothar, I think. How's that for a name: LotharLinux. -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC Hi, is that the U S Patent Office? I'd like to patent the FOR-NEXT loop, please ... -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:59, Michel Clasquin wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2001 10:35, Franki wrote: non-KDE/non-GNOMEapps: xmms - it looks like Winamp, sounds like winamp, it even uses winamp skins. A newie essential. XMMS is actually part of the GNOME project. It works equally well in KDE, however. Netscape/mozilla: for compatibility reasons xgalaga - just because Hehehe... Add xbill and freeciv to that! GIMP - Yes I know it is a Gnome app, but you could hardly not mention it separately, right? 4. No servers included in this distro. 5. market it as linux for windoze users... the power of linux with the ease of windows. (that may not appeal to us, ,but it will appeal to windoze users..) 6. possibly even a file manager that calls / (c drive) /home (my docs) and /usr (prog files) and /proc (linux) and /mnt/floppy (a drive) /mnt/cdrom (d drive) to help them feel at home, although thats proably overkill... NO g Additionally 7. Hide the root account even more than is being done already. Extensive use of kdesu is the key here. Package the root password as knowing a special secret code that lets you install new things rather than as just the password of some weird user called root. (Honey, do we know anyone called Root?) because it cuts down on alot of the reasons that linux is great, but it should still be done because its the best way to lure disgruntled windoze users over to the greener pastures.. Some good ideas here. Hope the mandrakeans are reading this forum. Hey, what was the name of Mandrake the Magician's sidekick again? Lothar, I think. How's that for a name: LotharLinux. Lothar was actually the old name of HardDrake, back in the Mandrake 7.0/7.1 days. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Use of Linux
On June 30, 2001 02:43 pm, you wrote: SNIP After getting mightily annoyed at having to run su in a console or run Super User file managers or give my root password time after time in order to run Mandrake Control Center or other root-only utilities, I now log in all the time as root. Before the geekoids on the list warn me of my impending eternal damnation,g let me explain my reasoning: I am the sole user. I am thus both root and judy (the only user). If I want to do something that will affect the all-important system files, I'm going to do it whether I'm logged in as user or root. So working as user does nothing but make me jump through more hoops to do what I'm going to do anyway. Why not avoid the hassle and work as root all the time? One password per session and no consoles for su-ing, I can unmount my Zip disks at will, I can deal with all files in all file managers, I can edit what I need to, I can install programs without problems. See, these security features can't stay the way they are if Linux is to attract even the Mac's share of the desktop market. Home business and consumer users will react the way I did and just get fed up and abandon Linux if they have to go through these endless permissions, logins, and passwords to manage their systems. In a home system, you're constantly installing or upgrading software or making changes to your display or your hardware. Any consumer GUI has to accommodate such usage, which is nothing at all like what a larger network requires. begin sarcastic comment Perhaps you should forward your comments to Microsoft in order to save their impending doom on the desktop due to implementing the very same super user concept in their NT based operating systems. end sarcastic comment Restricted super user authority is a hallmark of *NIX, and is one of the primary reasons it is so stable. Microsoft recognized this when they went to work on NT, and carried on w/ the practice thorugh Win2k. Regardless of the crap coming w/ XP one major advancement is the same multi-user/permission based concept. The bottom line is that the majority of PC users who claim to be proficient know jack, and need to be protected from themselves more than anything else. This is one of the primary reasons our company deploys Win2k on the desktop - to stop users from trashing their systems, and then requiring us to fix their mistakes. We promote the very same practice to home users in order to prevent kids, or other family members from installing some piece of hellware that guts Windows. Don't hold your breath waiting for Linux distributors to remove su, and permission based file structures. Not only would such a distro be non POSIX compliant, no self respecting *NIX vendor would abuse such a time proven and effective model. If this concept had of been implemented in the 9x line of products (even though the underlying technology is absolute junk) I can hardly imagine how astronomical the world wide productivity gains would have been over the past seven years - compared to what has actually transpired. Considering you just started using *NIX I guess it isn't fair to expect you to fully understand, and respect the benefits of POSIX. However, I will bet a dime to a dollar that if you continue using *NIX, and don't respect it's structure you will end up w/ an unstable operating system just like Win 9x. SNIP Regards, SpeedMan
[newbie] Chess
Dear All, I downloaded a statically linked program called rgXnetchess_static that the author told me should work on my LM8. His instructions were to just chmod +x rgXnethchess_static and then I should be done. I have not tried this yet, because I was not sure that could be all that I do to get this installed. I have never installed anything like this before. Does anyone know how to install a program like this? Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Marcia -- Marcia Waller
Re: [newbie] curious ....
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:55, steve campbell wrote: On Friday 29 June 2001 20:58, PENA FAMILY wrote: I agree comletely, Linux is still very young and developing. My twist on the car analogy is like this Windows is the average car which the vast majority drives and get from point A to point B. There are lemons depending on everything from quality and price but they get the larger slice of the consumer pie. Macintosh is the BMW and Mercedes...etc. You pay for the high quality and since everything is included your less likely to have problems again barring any X factors like quality control and bad management. Linux and other althernative OS, whichever term you want to use, is the kit car. The old Chevy or Ford you want to tweak to run and look like you want it to. You can remove the air conditioner to boost engine performance. Get rid of manufacturer settings again to get that boost you want. Doing whatever you want to make it run, look, and feel just the way you want and to reflect your individual personality. The only problem this is a small market there are problems with making those tweaks. You can problems but the point is to make the changes you want. LOLlinux is a formula-1 car, a right bloody nightmare to get used to but totally flexible and manouverable, not to mention fast as hell:) steve ( Obi-Juan Montoya)Campbell Please don't say the driver is Mikka Hakkinen (he's Finnish) -- I'm a Ferrari fan! P.S. As I write this Michael Schumacher is leading the French Grand Prix!!! -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] curious ....
Again, well said! Like any community, there are a variety of members with a variety of goals. Some of us would like to see Linux on the desktop be the OS of choice for normal people. I'd like to see that, and will be trying to help. From what I've heard, Mandrake is one of the distributions that has a similar goal (as does KDE, AFAIK (As Far As I Know).) Thanks for your letter! Randy Kramer (not a representative of Mandrake, just a user on the list) Judith Miner wrote: --other good stuff snipped Most people would have given up by now and just wiped Linux off the drive. I'll be posting my questions on this list and hope I'll find solutions for the problems that pop up every time I try to do something. I see wonderful potential in KDE, Gnome, and other desktops, but this thing is not ready for prime time. I hope things will get a bit more polished and complete by the time Windows XP is released because I think this may be THE moment of opportunity for Linux on the desktop.
[newbie] Rage 128 and Mandrake 8
Hello, I read all the stuff about the Rage problems on Mandrake, especially the how-to @ http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html and the info on http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hbits.html#Rage. I still don't get my Rage Fury AGP 32mb to work with X. If I switch to 640x480 it shows a functional, but very weird looking X (doublefeature), otherwise the screen goes blank, my monitor shuts down and the system locks up. Could someone provide me a link to some more information on this ? I had Suse 7.0 installed previously and it just worked fine. I'd rather use Mandrake, though ... Suse has something to say about this on http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/behling_rage128_suse72.html, I didn't do that on Suse 7.0 but maybe it will help figure out what the problem is, I'm too much of a newbie to get that working on Mandrake :( I'm working on an Athlon System with an Asus mainboard. Thanks a lot! Phil
RE: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
I think you guys are missing the point.. This is an install to woo windoze users, mandrake makes the mini router/firewall distro... why not a version that matches windows functionality without all the rest.. clients of everything, not servers they require configuration and in the end will make the distro pointless...you might as well get the full version... match the functionality of windows, and let them understand that before you give them the option of more... They can always buy a added functionality cd or download the rpms from a mandrake site dedicated to it... keep it simple, and they will come... (good marketing slogan actually :-) There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake. $.02: David E. Fox wrote: So far so good...some servers should be included, postfix / apache probably for starters. No need for innd,postgresd, etc. Again, the current installation profiles need to be tweaked - one shouldn't have to go for a server install to get a few necessary (plus some that aren't - depending on what you want to do) plus 'workstation' plus 'development' to get a basic workstation with some development and server capability -- which I think is what many want. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Also, make sure standard installation: - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a client and a server to make it easy to play multiplayer games over a network (or locally), but can make it a little confusing for someone who just want to play a local single player game. Someday you'll want to learn the commands to start the server and client separately, when you do press help_for_multiplayer. (Or have multiplayer be an option on a startup menu after you start Civ with the single command. Or, default to multiplayer, and ask How many players on this computer?, How many players on other computers?, and How many computer players?) (I guess I should send this to the FreeCiv list.) Randy Kramer
Re: [newbie] RAID controller support in LM8?
The A7M266 uses DDR RAM and has the VIA chipset. It supports up to 2GB of RAM (the A7V supports 1.5GB, and the A7A 3GB, though I have never personally heard of a 1GB stick of RAM, but maybe they exist). I thought the A7M266 had an AMD northbridge and a VIA south bridge. Here are a couple of mentions of RAM modules that go up to 1GB: http://www.micron.com/products/category.jsp?path=/Modules/SDRAM http://images.micron.com/pdf/guide/modguide.pdf
Re: [newbie] Spell checker in Kmail is not working??
On Sunday 01 July 2001 02:39 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 01 July 2001 14:17, you wrote: Hi Kmail users, For some bizarre reason, the Spellchecker is not working. Is there something that is not configured correctly in Kmail? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 The Happy Kmailer by Tux Sons. Is Ispell or Aspell installed? Dennis, Ispell is installed but Aspell is not. However, I just fixed it! By default, Kmail does NOT add the Spellchecker button to the toolbar. You must add the ABC Spellcheck button to the toolbar. Then, click on the Spellchecker button to begin the spellcheck. Roman
[newbie] Gettin' certified
I know that no one on this list has any problems sharing opinions... So I wanted to know if anyone had an opinion on a good A+ cert book, hopefully leading to *nix networking (ie not MCSE). Or maybe a website that's not looking to suck down a month's worth of my meager rural texas teacher salary? Thanks in advance.
[newbie] Kmail question
Hey all Is there a Kmail config file wherin is stored all the settings PARTICULARLY filter rules? If so, uh, where is it please. When I back up I wanna back this up too. TIA Jim -- MJK Systems-IT Consultants Training Phone/Fax-020 8697 4912 Mobile-077 4066 3292 Linux User #-196384
[newbie] Easy Install Error
First error to appear is: ERROR! Could not uncompress second state ramdisk ON pressing the enter key as asked: Fatal error in state 1: Accessing corrupt shared library. This after four days of downloading the cd iso for 8.0! Can this be made easier, or explained in some manner? Or is the norm holding: If it can go wrong for me - it does? Thanks, Mike _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Easy Install Error
this can be a hardware or bad software problem... (not to be mean, but if you have to download with a dialup connection, you might consider www/cheapbytes.com to get a disk set that is the same as the ISO you downloaded and burned (you did burn the ISO to a disk?) On Sunday 01 July 2001 16:43, Michael Mitchell wrote: First error to appear is: ERROR! Could not uncompress second state ramdisk ON pressing the enter key as asked: Fatal error in state 1: Accessing corrupt shared library. This after four days of downloading the cd iso for 8.0! Can this be made easier, or explained in some manner? Or is the norm holding: If it can go wrong for me - it does? Thanks, Mike _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Maybe a tiny floppy app, that can probe a windows system and give a report of what is likely to work with linux and what isn't ... then give heaps of the disks to mandrake resellers, so people can try one in thier computers before buying the winlinux distro just a thought, or you could make the same file downloadable on lotsa we sites.. would be handy to have a windows app that queries windows system/device-manager to look for compliant/non compliant devices and print a little report to screen... thats something that even more experianced linux users would find handy sometimes.. just more of my inane thoughts.. my apologies.. :-) regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David E. Fox Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 2:54 AM To: Randy Kramer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Oh yes. Many will want that. - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) OK for printing and sound - go for CUPS. Personally sond printing have worked out of the box for me, others' mileages may vary, of course. I don't have a CD burner, but I do know there are a few different programs that do this task differently, perhaps equally well, I don't know. But pick one, and roll its code into Konqueror, and let people burn CD's from inside the file manager. After all, you work with disks / floppies the same way, why should CD's be different? - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates I agree in principle, but many good fonts are copyrighted, and the free ones don't always look too good. I've been to a few free sites and they have some interesting fonts there, but not ones you would want to use in business correspondence. (Personally, 99% of my 'formal' correspondence is done in either Palatino or New Century Schoolbook, and the major WPs that I use provide those fonts.) I figure most people on Windows just use Arial because it's the default, but it doesn't look too good either :). And why provide so many conflicting fonts - I mean, there's 100dpi, 75dpi, unscaled fonts, scaleable fonts, Cyrillic fonts, etc. I know they have their uses, but they probably don't all need to be included in a scaled-down 'newbie' distribution. And while we're on the subject of fonts, how about documentation? The current thing seems to be to provide it in a slew of differing formats - I mean there's DVI howtos, PS howtos, html howtos, info-based documentation (that requires 'info', natch), man pages, DocBook stuff, etc., etc. It would be nice if all this stuff could all be in the same format, and generated on the fly when needed (I've always thought the idea of separating man and cat pages, and deleting unused cat pages since they could always be reconstructed was a good way of doing things). - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). You might need a rather large booklet actually. :) But if you look at the lists, there are a lot of questions about such and such a thing, like Winmodems, wondering if or whether these will be supported. Having a bright red sticker on the box warning: doesn't work with Winmodems may be helpful, and it may not be. It might be better to have a few known working configurations, and steer the person in the direction of those configurations. (Scenario: user goes into computer store, gets a copy of this distribution. On the back cover is a suggested list of components - user goes around the store with a shopping cart, picks up the components, and takes it over to the service counter to be assembled.) The way to beat MS at their own game is to just not buy branded 'assembled' computer systems. After all, people have for a long time bought stereo components. - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a the hell with that -- I want Monopoly! :) Actually I was at my mom's house playing Parker Brothers' monopoly on a windows box yesterday -- it can be played either single player (with computerized opponents) or it can be quickly configured (separate menu option) to play multiplayer over the internet. And it's done as a single component, not (perhaps) haphazardly with different binaries with different options, depending on how you want to play. Randy Kramer David E. Fox
[newbie] StarOffice and Linux2.4.3-20mdk
Perhaps someone can give a newbie some advice. I recently purchased Mandrake 8.0 and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Having worked in the Windows world for the past few years it's great to see other operating systems coming about. The install went very well and over all I'm impressed with the ease Mandrake 8.0 loaded up, but (Here it comes,,, always a but) After installing Staroffice 5.2 and trying to open it my system hangs. This requires a reboot to get things running again. I've been to the Sun site and the only thing I've found is a recommendation to go back to a different Kernel and that StarOffice is coming out with (Who knows when) an upgrade. Therefore there will not be a patch Has this been encountered by others? also Why would Mandrake include it with their system if it wouldn't run properly? Any guidance would be appreciated. Robert
Re: [newbie] StarOffice and Linux2.4.3-20mdk
Robert, I have also the powerPack Edition but I had a staroffice file downloaded before from sun URL and it works fine. Did you install it as root and then as user? or you just make a whole install? Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) El Dom 01 Jul 2001 23:42, escribiste: Perhaps someone can give a newbie some advice. I recently purchased Mandrake 8.0 and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Having worked in the Windows world for the past few years it's great to see other operating systems coming about. The install went very well and over all I'm impressed with the ease Mandrake 8.0 loaded up, but (Here it comes,,, always a but) After installing Staroffice 5.2 and trying to open it my system hangs. This requires a reboot to get things running again. I've been to the Sun site and the only thing I've found is a recommendation to go back to a different Kernel and that StarOffice is coming out with (Who knows when) an upgrade. Therefore there will not be a patch Has this been encountered by others? also Why would Mandrake include it with their system if it wouldn't run properly? Any guidance would be appreciated. Robert
Re: [newbie] StarOffice and Linux2.4.3-20mdk
you did run star office setup as a user first didn't you? On Sunday 01 July 2001 17:42, RobertLuzader wrote: Perhaps someone can give a newbie some advice. I recently purchased Mandrake 8.0 and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Having worked in the Windows world for the past few years it's great to see other operating systems coming about. The install went very well and over all I'm impressed with the ease Mandrake 8.0 loaded up, but (Here it comes,,, always a but) After installing Staroffice 5.2 and trying to open it my system hangs. This requires a reboot to get things running again. I've been to the Sun site and the only thing I've found is a recommendation to go back to a different Kernel and that StarOffice is coming out with (Who knows when) an upgrade. Therefore there will not be a patch Has this been encountered by others? also Why would Mandrake include it with their system if it wouldn't run properly? Any guidance would be appreciated. Robert
RE: [newbie] Gettin' certified
Yes, very funny. I hadn't thought to specify, but actually recommendations on both would be nice. Looking at some sample exams I think I could be COMPTIA A+ certified in a couple months, so that would be where I want to start. I just wanted to find a platform neutral book instead of buying the study pack from Microsoft Publications. I already know far too much about Win 3.1, 95, 98, ME, m-o-u-s-e... Linux networking is the next step. I will check out your (chris') recommendation, most appreciated. -Original Message- From: Chris Keelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:25 PM To: Jason Guidry Subject: Re: [newbie] Gettin' certified On Sunday 01 July 2001 15:35, you wrote: I know that no one on this list has any problems sharing opinions... So I wanted to know if anyone had an opinion on a good A+ cert book, hopefully leading to *nix networking (ie not MCSE). Or maybe a website that's not looking to suck down a month's worth of my meager rural texas teacher salary? Thanks in advance. I'm not sure if you're going for COMPTIA's A+ Certification or you mean A+ as in doubleplusgood. If you mean the former, sorry, can't help you. If you mean the latter, then read Linux Network Administrator's Guide. There's a mirror at: http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zdv/projekte/linux/books/nag/nag.html It begins with basic TCP/IP and Ethernet networks and goes on to cover lots of stuff including, NFS and SAMBA. - C
Re: [newbie] Use of Linux
Thanks, Matt, for describing the perils of routinely working as root. well, after once having to ctrl alt backspace out of xwindows and subsequently loosing my whole linux install, and then later suffering ap owerloss and again losing my whole system both while logged in as root i realized the wisdom of logging in as user and then becoming su when i need to. I do have a UPS so should have time to shut down in orderly fashion if I lost power, but even the potential of hosing the system gives me pause. I do expect to work as user once I get the system functioning fully. For now, just about everything requires me to be root, so I can't see the point of messing with su throughout my session. Plus, su requires a console and I avoid--and intend to continue avoiding--consoles whenever possible. I expect the GUI to insulate me from consoles and command lines. Obviously, it's not there yet. actually between using alt f2 to run any program you want as root I haven't found that Alt-F2 let me run programs as root. If the program requires root privileges, invoking and typing in Alt-F2 when logged in as user has done nothing at all, in my limited experience. Is there some magic command modification I just don't know about? the fact that mandrake 8.0 is much better at recognizing when you need to be root and prompting you for the password it isn't that much of a burden. I suppose burden is in the eye of the beholder. I find constant typing of the root password to be annoying in the extreme and results in a fair amount of lost time if you have to do this several times in a few hours. --Judy M.
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Frank wrote: There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away I think you have many good ideas, but speaking as a Windows user who has recently installed Mandrake 8, it wasn't the large number of options that is the problem, but the unfinished business of the GUI after you get the thing installed. The first time I installed, I chose the default options for my own purposes and did not pick and choose individual programs. I reinstalled Linux in a couple of days because I felt I didn't know what was on the system. I've always done Custom Installs of all my Windows programs (including Windows itself!) and I don't like to depend on what other people think I should have. So I reinstalled Linux with a custom installation and went through the entire programs list in the Mandrake graphical installer. I was, frankly, much happier with that because I had a better idea of what was available and what I did and did not want. I think it would be fine for something like the Mandrake installer to offer an additional option called Basic that would include a pre-selected, limited number of programs. A user can always install others after using the system for a bit. The real problems come after you start using Linux--or trying to. I still haven't gotten my system set up to the stage where I can try some productivity apps for real. My current problem is getting my Type 1 and TrueType fonts installed and available to the programs I want to use. This is one of the roughest edges of Linux on the desktop. Its font handling is abstruse, unfriendly, poor, and just plain weird. It's totally different from Windows or the Mac. Where is something like Adobe Type Manager when we need it? Even in my Windows 3.0 days, my PostScript fonts were rasterized correctly for the screen and printer (PostScript or not) and they were available seamlessly to all my applications that were font-capable. I find it astonishing that fonts seem to be an afterthought on the Linux desktop. Gajillions of often-ugly screen fonts get installed. How can I dump them? All they do is make for a long font list of useless junk. It's hard to find the necessary information because context-sensitive help isn't here yet. Another example of something that is unacceptable as it stands now: the first time I tried to eject a Zip disk, it wouldn't go. First I got scared that it was stuck in the drive (an ATAPI internal). Then I thought I'd try doing an eject command in a console. Somehow that worked--I don't know how I figured out how to include the /mnt/zip qualifier. Eventually I kinda sorta figured out how to deal with Zip disks, which get mounted through the supermount feature in Mandrake 8, but still have to be unmounted by root in order to eject them. Doubtless, I could fix that up so user could do it--but I don't know how. I also don't know where to look and the directions would have to be in something other than geekspeak, which is probably an unrealistic expectation.g I could give you a list of other things that would quickly drive would-be users away, as you put it. I think they could all be solved, probably in short order if some distro truly wanted to appeal to Windows users who want to become Linux users but not techies. I don't think it's too many choices that drive people away, but an interface that is too thin and quickly leaves the unprepared user in the clutches of long, obscure command lines. This won't fly, folks. No matter how wonderful the underlying architecture is, it has to be easy to use to have a chance of succeeding as a desktop OS. --Judy Miner
Re: [newbie] curious ....
Michael, Thanks for recounting how Linux has become more user friendly since your Slackware 2.x days. Though I have just started using Linux, I've followed it over a few years and installed it now because I thought it was finally reaching the point where a normal person could use it. I've found it easy to install and I had no trouble configuring the dialer and connecting with my ISP. The browsers are working fine, I downloaded and installed Opera in addition to the ones that came on the CDs. I looked at but did not set up a couple of e-mail clients, and could kiss Windows good-bye if browsing were the only thing I did. I just need to get my security firmed up and will try the suggestion posted on this list, for which I thank you and others. linux still has some problems for the average user, but at the same time it has been rapidly progressing since the command-line based Slackware 2/3 days. I agree and look forward to the progress of the next few months. Let's all hope that by the time Windows XP comes out, Linux will make more strides toward user friendliness because I do think more Windows users will be looking for a way out of Microsoft's clutches. --Judy Miner
Re: [newbie] curious ....
I don't think it is a matter of perference as much as it is a matter of what Linux really is. Linux is a networking os just like any UNIX or UNIX clone. Whwn dealing with networking OSes, you need user groups, root access, etc. We can write to each other all we want about changing how Linux works, but folks, Windows 2000 has its users, user group, administrator (root), etc. Anytime you deal with an networking OS you will have all of that. COuld they make a single user version of Linux? No. Linux is POSIX compliant and it will lose that in the change. Even though we are all newto Linux, don't you think we owe it to the Linux community in general to read up on it and see what it is all about, instead of just jumping in and then thrashing it because it isn't Windows? On Sunday 01 July 2001 14:10, tazmun wrote: I echo Judith's concerns 100 %. I think there are many here who desperately want to keep Linux as sort of an elite OS(and free) status that eliminates many users simply because of it's complexity. To keep Linux where it is right now...maybe that works and maybe it doesn'tbut to companies that are trying to promote Linux like Mandrake who eventually hope to make a buck somewhere along the line, I think they will fold their tent and go elsewhere if progress is not being made, and by progress I mean becoming a serious competitor for windoze. Not only for the OS but also the desktop. To do this we have to go with mainstream user concepts I think which I feel the other writer, Judith, is a fairly good representative of. But it goes beyond my preferences to just plain common business sense in my opinion. Unfortunately the part we all hate is hiding around this corner too, just like windoze it will be all about dollars. But with real competition at least it hopefully won't get out of control like Microsoft did. Tazmun - Original Message - From: Judith Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious I'm wondering about FreeBSD or MAC OS X any potential competition there? ... any way to combat the OS monopolistic intent of M$? I installed my first Linux OS about 10 days ago on a spare computer (headed for my grandchildren soon) so I could try it out before I put in a dual boot with Win 98SE on my real computer in my home office. I liked it enough that I did install Mandrake 8 on my home office computer a week ago. The spare computer will have its hard drive wiped and I'll put back 98SE before the computer goes to the grandchildren (ages 5, 3, and 7 months). I am a very experienced and proficient Windows user but have no interest in doing my own programming. I dislike command lines and want a well-designed, stable, flexible GUI that leaves me in charge of my own computer. I am fed up with Microsoft, which becomes more and more oppressive and aggressive, and I fervently hope never to buy another Microsoft OS. However, I have work to do and any alternative OS has to let me do what I need to and want to without a lot of hassles. I run a small nonprofit organization, so I have to do general office things like maintain a small database, design new, small databases as needed, manage finances through Quicken, use a small spreadsheet once a year, do business correspondence, maintain Web pages, design posters for publicity, and write and produce lots of publications, such as newsletters, brochures, pamphlets, and booklets. For personal use, I need an up-to-date e-mail client and a few up-to-date Web browsers, I use Mastercook for my recipe collection, I do a lot of graphics work with CorelDraw, Photoshop LE, Photoshop Elements, PhotoPaint, other graphics programs, I have a serious greeting card hobby and have 11 greeting card programs for ideas and a source of graphics and verses (I make the actual cards in CorelDraw). I have numerous other consumer-type programs, several dictionaries and encyclopedias and other reference works, over 2000 Type 1 and TrueType fonts, and a large collection of photos and clip art. Unless I can run these things or their equivalents under Linux, I'll always need a Windows partition. I really want Linux to work out as a desktop system for me. I think it has the potential, but so far my experience is that Linux-on-the-desktop is incomplete, has rough edges all over the place, and is desperately unfriendly once you have to get beneath the surface. Its geeky origins are obvious and frankly, Linux will never make it to the mainstream unless it is shepherded by developers who comprehend and enthusiastically embrace what normal people want in the interface to their OS. From my almost-two-weeks of membership on this list, I am seeing confirmed what I've noticed time after time on anything related to Linux: its biggest boosters live in a world of their own,
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Two good ideas! Randy Kramer Franki wrote: Maybe a tiny floppy app, that can probe a windows system and give a report of what is likely to work with linux and what isn't ... then give heaps of the disks to mandrake resellers, so people can try one in thier computers before buying the winlinux distro just a thought, or you could make the same file downloadable on lotsa we sites.. would be handy to have a windows app that queries windows system/device-manager to look for compliant/non compliant devices and print a little report to screen...
Re: [newbie] curious ....
Microsoft is considered a great company by many; it can be argued that they are great because of innovative ideas ... Will .NET be considered amazing by many? Will Windows XP succeed? Can one honestly say that Micro$soft has such a huge presence mostly because of unfair business practices? Their goal is to have as much power in as many areas of computer technology as possible. While some of their tactics have been illegal, the same amount of time has elapsed for *every company to have innovative ideas. Along with power, the Company has amassed a great deal of money ... research and development over the years has produced innovative ideas, and * some cut-throat business practices (not ALL) which have been difficult to stop...but what keeps them legit, I guess, (I'm only trying to be objective here ... I'm just an inexperienced person curious about computers who is jumping on the linux bandwagon with not a lot of ease, having a real problem with the M$ monopoly) is their innovation. It seems a bit unfair to say that M$ has not been innovative, both from a marketing and technological standpoint. BUT ... I hope that in the future, kids, adults, businesses, *everyone will experience a world where Micro$oft NO LONGER has an enormous share in *everything related to computers, and where there are many more companies that can call themselves no less dominant than Micro$oft. Rita linux still has some problems for the average user, but at the same time it has been rapidly progressing since the command-line based Slackware 2/3 days. I agree and look forward to the progress of the next few months. Let's all hope that by the time Windows XP comes out, Linux will make more strides toward user friendliness because I do think more Windows users will be looking for a way out of Microsoft's clutches. --Judy Miner __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[newbie] Update Re: missing rate... dirheader.html Error Message
- Original Message -
From: Skinky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
I am STILL trying to install from hard drive. After creating a native
linux
partition and booting with a boot disk (hd.img), I selected install to own
partition (linux native partition). All goes well for a while and then an
error message comes up:
Error
An error occurred
missing rate for !-- Beginning of:
/www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
Hi all
I think I've found the problem file: Mandrake/Base/Serial.
If I try to download the file with Internet Explorer (right-click select
save target as), it gets saved as a blank .txt file. Obviously using this
file (after removing the .txt extension) when installing Mandrake doesn't
work.
If I click on the file link itself, it opens a blank web page. On viewing
the page's source I get the following (saving and using this file when
installing also doesn't work):
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTMLHEAD
META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;
charset=windows-1252/HEAD
BODYXMP/XMP/BODY/HTML
If I download the Serial file using GetRight, the contents when viewed in
Notepad is as follows:
!-- Beginning of: /www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
div align=center
table cellspacing=0 cellpading=0
tr
td align=center valign=top
a href='http://www.planetmirror.com/'img src='/images/pmsearch.gif'
border=0/a
/td
td align=center valign=top
!--start 120x60--
SCRIPT TYPE=text/javascript LANGUAGE=JavaScript
SRC=http://www.sofcom.com.au/banner_random.js;/SCRIPT
SCRIPT TYPE=text/javascript LANGUAGE=JavaScript
!-- // hide from old browers
document.write('IFRAME
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/adi/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;s
z=120x60;ord=' + ord + ' name=frame1 width=120 height=60
frameborder=no border=0 MARGINWIDTH=0 MARGINHEIGHT=0
SCROLLING=no'); file://--/SCRIPT
SCRIPT language=JavaScript1.1
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/adj/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;a
br=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=' + ord + '/SCRIPT
NOSCRIPT
A
HREF=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/jump/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2
;abr=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=67903291373337260?IMG
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/ad/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;ab
r=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=67903291373337260? border=0 height=60
width=120/A
/NOSCRIPT
/IFRAME
!--end 120x60--
/td
/tr
/table
/div
!-- End of: /www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
Oh sh_ _! I just copied and pasted that from Notepad but it doesn't look
anything like that in Notepad! I've included the Serial file as an
attachment. Perhaps someone might know what the problem is. Or better
still, maybe someone would be kind enough to email the file to me?
I'm looking to buy the CDs from someone in NZ if possible because it doesn't
look like I'll get Mandrake installed from the files I downloaded. But in
the meantime...
Cheers
Skinky
PS. Sorry for the long message.
Re: [newbie] curious ....
Well the breakup was supposed to be a remedy for M$ business cut throat business practices and antitrust violations. Looks like it is not going to happen now. Jeanette - Original Message - From: Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious At this time I see no objective reason for splitting up Microsoft ... what purpose will it serve? And why is Bill Gates so dead-set against it? What's the threat? Is it just a comfort-level thing? A nuisance change that he's concerned about? Or is it a huge threat to their monopoly? In fact, the remedy is seen as tepid by some people who are not M$ fans. Perhaps the latest suit is not a strong one are there ones that are? But litigation is such a slow and contentious process, I just think M$ is able to play that game better than anyone else (sounds painfully familiar). Has anyone really figured out a market that hasn't been tapped yet, within the industry, that Microsoft hasn't and will not be able to steal? Maybe better innovation is the answer, not litigation. Just wondering. The only real desktop option out there is the Mac thinking of kids, adults, etc and it seems that there needs to be more of an effort by others to become more user-friendly. There just doesn't seem to be a huge market out there for power users or even curious users who are willing to struggle through what seems like techie, hard-to-understand-on-a-higher-level-than it says so in the manual attempts to solve *many wierd techie problems. It's a shame about the IMAC not cutting it for people beyond the fanatical ... what are you basing that opinion on, besides what you see personally? I would *love to see a product that will give a lot of people a highly usable alternative to M$, because I dislike their tactics. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[newbie] nbtstat equivilent?
Is there a NBTSTAT eqivilent in the *nix world?
[newbie] Alcatel usb ADSL
Hi, I use win2K and Mandrake-Linux 8.0 on the same PC . I have an ALCATEL usb ADSL modem called Speedtouch usb. Alcatel have made a driver for this usb modem for Linux in tar form . Does anyone know how to install it in Mandrake 8.0 or does anyone know of an rpm file for this driver Thanks Jan Brosius
FW: [newbie] curious ....
couple of little points I would add to that... years ago when the www was new, netscape developed a pretty not browser and called it navigator.. ms then came up with IE and in order to get rid of NS, they bundled it with Windows, so that people who already had a browser would use that instead of downloading one,, it worked They are doing the same now to AOL and others with instant messaging and media player.. do you really want to lose winamp, realplayer and a myriad of others, and just use Microsoft media player? do you want .NET and hailstorm to hold all your details and credit card details and sell the use of them to everyone else?? Thats what microsoft are doing (or trying to do now.) Also, microsoft tout full standards support for XML and SOAP (which is a method by which different apps in different places written with different languages can talk to each other in a standard format...) Then they said that they will protect their property (which it isn't) by adding hooks to their versions so that no app can talk to a ms app as well as another ms app... so JAVA perl and other programs won't be on the same level of functionality as anything MS writes.. they did the same thing with other APPS as well, like office. it links in to windows far better then what other developers are permitted to, the result is that the MS apps perform better and ms has garnered another monopoly.. Also, if Ms are so full of innovation, why is hotmail (a microsoft service) still using freebsd servers? and why has microsoft admitted nicking freebsd code for their own apps?? and why does the MS license for their programing products say that you will be in breach of your license if you use one of the tools you bought from us to develop software for any other OS but windows... (like linux which they called viral software). yep, thats playing fair... doesn't ANY of that make you think that perhaps they are the ones stifeling innovation?? it should a several federal US judges thought so, and about 80 percent of industry experts appear to as well... I don't hate Microsoft, I wouldn't be that petty... I just hate what they are being permitted to do... (IE FORCE absolutly everyone to use microsoft products for everything they can get away with...) They have done even worse stuff with XP, and they know that they can get away with it... Think about it, the whole DOJ case was based on IE being in win95,,, they didn't stop, they made millions selling it, all while the court case was happening.. the same will happen with XP, by the time they lose the case and get made to retract it.. they will have already made their millions... and they know it... thats why the are still engaged in behaviour that got them in the sh1t in the first place.. All of this is provable stuff, go and look at anchordesk.com to see ZDnets reports on it.. regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rita F. Koenigs Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 7:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious Microsoft is considered a great company by many; it can be argued that they are great because of innovative ideas ... Will .NET be considered amazing by many? Will Windows XP succeed? Can one honestly say that Micro$soft has such a huge presence mostly because of unfair business practices? Their goal is to have as much power in as many areas of computer technology as possible. While some of their tactics have been illegal, the same amount of time has elapsed for *every company to have innovative ideas. Along with power, the Company has amassed a great deal of money ... research and development over the years has produced innovative ideas, and * some cut-throat business practices (not ALL) which have been difficult to stop...but what keeps them legit, I guess, (I'm only trying to be objective here ... I'm just an inexperienced person curious about computers who is jumping on the linux bandwagon with not a lot of ease, having a real problem with the M$ monopoly) is their innovation. It seems a bit unfair to say that M$ has not been innovative, both from a marketing and technological standpoint. BUT ... I hope that in the future, kids, adults, businesses, *everyone will experience a world where Micro$oft NO LONGER has an enormous share in *everything related to computers, and where there are many more companies that can call themselves no less dominant than Micro$oft. Rita linux still has some problems for the average user, but at the same time it has been rapidly progressing since the command-line based Slackware 2/3 days. I agree and look forward to the progress of the next few months. Let's all hope that by the time Windows XP comes out, Linux will make more strides toward user friendliness because I do think more Windows users will be looking for a way out of Microsoft's clutches. --Judy Miner __ Do
RE: [newbie] curious ....
The reason they don't want to be split, is because then their application branch would be forced to compete with their competitors on an even footing, and no more bundling Microsoft versions of competitors apps in the windows OS, since their current app people would no longer be working for the same company that writes the windows OS that was the idea behind spliting up Ms.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeanette Russo Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 7:19 AM To: Rita F. Koenigs; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious Well the breakup was supposed to be a remedy for M$ business cut throat business practices and antitrust violations. Looks like it is not going to happen now. Jeanette - Original Message - From: Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious At this time I see no objective reason for splitting up Microsoft ... what purpose will it serve? And why is Bill Gates so dead-set against it? What's the threat? Is it just a comfort-level thing? A nuisance change that he's concerned about? Or is it a huge threat to their monopoly? In fact, the remedy is seen as tepid by some people who are not M$ fans. Perhaps the latest suit is not a strong one are there ones that are? But litigation is such a slow and contentious process, I just think M$ is able to play that game better than anyone else (sounds painfully familiar). Has anyone really figured out a market that hasn't been tapped yet, within the industry, that Microsoft hasn't and will not be able to steal? Maybe better innovation is the answer, not litigation. Just wondering. The only real desktop option out there is the Mac thinking of kids, adults, etc and it seems that there needs to be more of an effort by others to become more user-friendly. There just doesn't seem to be a huge market out there for power users or even curious users who are willing to struggle through what seems like techie, hard-to-understand-on-a-higher-level-than it says so in the manual attempts to solve *many wierd techie problems. It's a shame about the IMAC not cutting it for people beyond the fanatical ... what are you basing that opinion on, besides what you see personally? I would *love to see a product that will give a lot of people a highly usable alternative to M$, because I dislike their tactics. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] mount a floppy
Kevin Fonner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the command to mount a floppy drive? = mount /mnt/floppy This, of course, assumes that you have /mnt/floppy in your /etc/fstab HTH, Mike -- Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there. --Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [newbie] Kmail question
Hi Jim and all, All config files that are particular to a user are in the users /home directory, or for root are in /root. I always backup /root /home as well as /usr/local - which is where I add my scripts or progs I have found. I also backup /etc/fstab, ..*.conf, ...conf.* config.* and *.config. Hope this helps. Lin -Original Message- From: Jim Kempton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 21:36 Subject: [newbie] Kmail question Hey all Is there a Kmail config file wherin is stored all the settings PARTICULARLY filter rules? If so, uh, where is it please. When I back up I wanna back this up too. TIA Jim -- MJK Systems-IT Consultants Training Phone/Fax-020 8697 4912 Mobile-077 4066 3292 Linux User #-196384
Re: [newbie] Zip Drive question
Hi, I have found that the device for ZIP 100 is /dev/sda1 for an ext2 f/s and /dev/sda4 for a DOS or VFAT f/s on the ZipDisk. I hope this helps Cheers, Lin -Original Message- From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 30, 2001 09:07 Subject: Re: [newbie] Zip Drive question It was Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:26:52 -0500 when Dave wrote: OK---this is my second post so I hope this isn't a stupid question.. Will my External Parallel 100 mb Zip Drive work with LInux Mandrake 7.2? Ps: I did finally get the settings right on my USR 33.6 modem(didn't have a manual...tinkered with it till I got it right.) It is not a stupid question. You're stupid when you don't ask! And yes, the zip will work. You have to find the proper modprobe command for it on boot. 1.Turn on the drive and insert a disk. 2.Type modprobe ppa or modprobe imm. This will load the module. 3.Try to mount the drive as 'root': mount /dev/sd[x]4 -t vfat /mnt/disk 4.If mount doesn't complain, you've got it. (from http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hremov2.html ) Then stick the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local and you're done (this will require the drive up and loaded though). If you want, you can create a script for that, to run when you need the drive. Paul -- I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest. -Alexandre Dumas (fils) http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.4.99 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
On Sunday 01 July 2001 05:06 pm, Judith Miner wrote: Frank wrote: There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away I think you have many good ideas, but speaking as a Windows user who has recently installed Mandrake 8, it wasn't the large number of options that is the problem, but the unfinished business of the GUI after you get the thing installed. The first time I installed, I chose the default options for my own purposes and did not pick and choose individual programs. I reinstalled Linux in a couple of days because I felt I didn't know what was on the system. I've always done Custom Installs of all my Windows programs (including Windows itself!) and I don't like to depend on what other people think I should have. So I reinstalled Linux with a custom installation and went through the entire programs list in the Mandrake graphical installer. I was, frankly, much happier with that because I had a better idea of what was available and what I did and did not want. I think it would be fine for something like the Mandrake installer to offer an additional option called Basic that would include a pre-selected, limited number of programs. A user can always install others after using the system for a bit. The real problems come after you start using Linux--or trying to. I still haven't gotten my system set up to the stage where I can try some productivity apps for real. My current problem is getting my Type 1 and TrueType fonts installed and available to the programs I want to use. This is one of the roughest edges of Linux on the desktop. Its font handling is abstruse, unfriendly, poor, and just plain weird. It's totally different from Windows or the Mac. Where is something like Adobe Type Manager when we need it? Even in my Windows 3.0 days, my PostScript fonts were rasterized correctly for the screen and printer (PostScript or not) and they were available seamlessly to all my applications that were font-capable. I find it astonishing that fonts seem to be an afterthought on the Linux desktop. Gajillions of often-ugly screen fonts get installed. How can I dump them? All they do is make for a long font list of useless junk. It's hard to find the necessary information because context-sensitive help isn't here yet. Another example of something that is unacceptable as it stands now: the first time I tried to eject a Zip disk, it wouldn't go. First I got scared that it was stuck in the drive (an ATAPI internal). Then I thought I'd try doing an eject command in a console. Somehow that worked--I don't know how I figured out how to include the /mnt/zip qualifier. Eventually I kinda sorta figured out how to deal with Zip disks, which get mounted through the supermount feature in Mandrake 8, but still have to be unmounted by root in order to eject them. Doubtless, I could fix that up so user could do it--but I don't know how. I also don't know where to look and the directions would have to be in something other than geekspeak, which is probably an unrealistic expectation.g I could give you a list of other things that would quickly drive would-be users away, as you put it. I think they could all be solved, probably in short order if some distro truly wanted to appeal to Windows users who want to become Linux users but not techies. I don't think it's too many choices that drive people away, but an interface that is too thin and quickly leaves the unprepared user in the clutches of long, obscure command lines. This won't fly, folks. No matter how wonderful the underlying architecture is, it has to be easy to use to have a chance of succeeding as a desktop OS. --Judy Miner Judy, A good portion of what you have mentioned has been covered in the Mandrake archives. People are working on these features and more than can mentioned in a few brief emails. Rather than stepping on the gas and trying to drive 100 miles an hour, I think it would be a good idea to get a good book on Linux, sit back and do some reading. Then, if you have additional questions, people would be more than happy to help you out. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] Update Re: missing rate... dirheader.html Error Message
On Sunday 01 July 2001 07:24 pm, Skinky wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Skinky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
I am STILL trying to install from hard drive. After creating a native
linux
partition and booting with a boot disk (hd.img), I selected install to
own partition (linux native partition). All goes well for a while and
then an error message comes up:
Error
An error occurred
missing rate for !-- Beginning of:
/www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
Hi all
I think I've found the problem file: Mandrake/Base/Serial.
If I try to download the file with Internet Explorer (right-click select
save target as), it gets saved as a blank .txt file. Obviously using this
file (after removing the .txt extension) when installing Mandrake doesn't
work.
If I click on the file link itself, it opens a blank web page. On viewing
the page's source I get the following (saving and using this file when
installing also doesn't work):
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTMLHEAD
META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;
charset=windows-1252/HEAD
BODYXMP/XMP/BODY/HTML
If I download the Serial file using GetRight, the contents when viewed in
Notepad is as follows:
!-- Beginning of: /www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
div align=center
table cellspacing=0 cellpading=0
tr
td align=center valign=top
a href='http://www.planetmirror.com/'img src='/images/pmsearch.gif'
border=0/a
/td
td align=center valign=top
!--start 120x60--
SCRIPT TYPE=text/javascript LANGUAGE=JavaScript
SRC=http://www.sofcom.com.au/banner_random.js;/SCRIPT
SCRIPT TYPE=text/javascript LANGUAGE=JavaScript
!-- // hide from old browers
document.write('IFRAME
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/adi/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;
s z=120x60;ord=' + ord + ' name=frame1 width=120 height=60
frameborder=no border=0 MARGINWIDTH=0 MARGINHEIGHT=0
SCROLLING=no'); file://--/SCRIPT
SCRIPT language=JavaScript1.1
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/adj/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;
a br=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=' + ord + '/SCRIPT
NOSCRIPT
A
HREF=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/jump/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile
2 ;abr=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=67903291373337260?IMG
SRC=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/ad/www.planetmirror.sofcom.com.au/tile2;a
b r=!ie;sz=120x60;ord=67903291373337260? border=0 height=60
width=120/A
/NOSCRIPT
/IFRAME
!--end 120x60--
/td
/tr
/table
/div
!-- End of: /www/htdocs/images/HEADER/dirheader.html --
Oh sh_ _! I just copied and pasted that from Notepad but it doesn't look
anything like that in Notepad! I've included the Serial file as an
attachment. Perhaps someone might know what the problem is. Or better
still, maybe someone would be kind enough to email the file to me?
I'm looking to buy the CDs from someone in NZ if possible because it
doesn't look like I'll get Mandrake installed from the files I downloaded.
But in the meantime...
Cheers
Skinky
PS. Sorry for the long message.
Before selecting a file, hold down the [shift] key and then click on the file.
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
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Re: [newbie] Easy Install Error
On Sunday 01 July 2001 04:54 pm, etharp wrote: this can be a hardware or bad software problem... (not to be mean, but if you have to download with a dialup connection, you might consider www/cheapbytes.com to get a disk set that is the same as the ISO you downloaded and burned (you did burn the ISO to a disk?) On Sunday 01 July 2001 16:43, Michael Mitchell wrote: First error to appear is: ERROR! Could not uncompress second state ramdisk ON pressing the enter key as asked: Fatal error in state 1: Accessing corrupt shared library. This after four days of downloading the cd iso for 8.0! Can this be made easier, or explained in some manner? Or is the norm holding: If it can go wrong for me - it does? Thanks, Mike _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Sounds like it could be a bad ISO or CD. Have you tried creating a floppy with the cdrom.img save to it? Reboot your computer with this floppy and see how the installation goes. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] nbtstat equivilent?
Jennifer, What does nbtstat do? Is it anything like netstat? Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 08:00 PM 07/01/2001 -0400, JENNIFER wrote: Is there a NBTSTAT eqivilent in the *nix world?
Re: [newbie] curious ....
The experts agree that splitting would be bad. You would wid up with two gaint powerhouses rather than one. I think that fining them ten billion dollars would do the trick, Then double it everytime they are violate any agreements. They may be the richest company out there, but they have shareholders to answer too. On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:23, Franki wrote: The reason they don't want to be split, is because then their application branch would be forced to compete with their competitors on an even footing, and no more bundling Microsoft versions of competitors apps in the windows OS, since their current app people would no longer be working for the same company that writes the windows OS that was the idea behind spliting up Ms.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeanette Russo Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 7:19 AM To: Rita F. Koenigs; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious Well the breakup was supposed to be a remedy for M$ business cut throat business practices and antitrust violations. Looks like it is not going to happen now. Jeanette - Original Message - From: Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious At this time I see no objective reason for splitting up Microsoft ... what purpose will it serve? And why is Bill Gates so dead-set against it? What's the threat? Is it just a comfort-level thing? A nuisance change that he's concerned about? Or is it a huge threat to their monopoly? In fact, the remedy is seen as tepid by some people who are not M$ fans. Perhaps the latest suit is not a strong one are there ones that are? But litigation is such a slow and contentious process, I just think M$ is able to play that game better than anyone else (sounds painfully familiar). Has anyone really figured out a market that hasn't been tapped yet, within the industry, that Microsoft hasn't and will not be able to steal? Maybe better innovation is the answer, not litigation. Just wondering. The only real desktop option out there is the Mac thinking of kids, adults, etc and it seems that there needs to be more of an effort by others to become more user-friendly. There just doesn't seem to be a huge market out there for power users or even curious users who are willing to struggle through what seems like techie, hard-to-understand-on-a-higher-level-than it says so in the manual attempts to solve *many wierd techie problems. It's a shame about the IMAC not cutting it for people beyond the fanatical ... what are you basing that opinion on, besides what you see personally? I would *love to see a product that will give a lot of people a highly usable alternative to M$, because I dislike their tactics. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Excellent answer! On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:29, Romanator wrote: Judy, A good portion of what you have mentioned has been covered in the Mandrake archives. People are working on these features and more than can mentioned in a few brief emails. Rather than stepping on the gas and trying to drive 100 miles an hour, I think it would be a good idea to get a good book on Linux, sit back and do some reading. Then, if you have additional questions, people would be more than happy to help you out. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
[newbie] Star Office in Mandrake 7.2
Friends: I'm a new user of Linux and Mandrake. I've installed Mandrake 7.2 and quite pleased with it. However, I'm still quite confused about loading software other than rpms. I've got the rpms down fairly well since it seems to be a no-brainer how to install them. I've downloaded Star Office from Sun.com in the 12 segments. Sun says to use the so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en-000.bin file to install the software. Apparently I don't understand and obviously don't know what I am doing. I've tried several different ways to install and it doesn't work. Could anyone tell me how this should work? Also is there any book or booklet that gives the rudimentary ways of working with LM7.2 and KDE (a kind of dummies book)? Thanks for any suggestions. Lynn Sadler -- powered by the Penquin (Linux-Mandrake)
RE: FW: [newbie] curious ....
perhaps you should consider working for them... i use win2000 cos I currently have to but I have found very little innovation in ms products.. and I ought to know, used to be an oem reseller don't get me wrong, they have developed a good working GUI, but have you seen Geowrite and goeworks? I used to have them on my commodore 64 years ago, and windows still bears a strange resemblance to that strange that... There is no doubt that MS is a competitor,, the simple matter of the fact is that you seem to support a monopoly in theory.. I am sure if you worked for one of the hundreds of companies that MS crushed to get where they are, you would have a more wider view of this... Take for example... right back at the start, IBM and Microsoft where taken to court by Digital research who accused them of stealing dos code from them,, (IBM had to support MS in this because they only had MS dos to work with back them for the PC) anyway, they denied it, and tried to prove it by bringing in a PC with msdos on it, the digital research guy promptly typed in a hidden code, and low an behold, a digital research copywrite logo appeared in MSdos ... gee, how did that get there.. obviously MS and IBM lost that case,, and settled.. (although caldera, the current owner of whats left of digital reseach may be picking up that ball soon.) anyway, part of the settlement was a gag order,, and thats a standard tactic for Ms,, every time they lose or settle a court case, they make a gag order a condition of settlement... which some would argue is a good business tactic... but its why people like yourself don't hear about all the bad stuff... The simple fact of the matter is that when you have 90 odd percent of the worlds desktop PC's OS, and you offer a bundled package, the chances are, if it works, most people won't download and try alternatives... This is not a variable, it is now court proven and apeal denied.. microsoft ARE a monopoly, and they DO use that to illegally leaverage themselves, which is fine for ordinary bussiness (not the illegal part, but its not illegal if you are not a monopoly.), but when you have the size and power of microsoft, you have to be restrained, because new and innovative companies or just smaller companies, simply can not compete with a product that comes for free with windows.. Also, you have missed the point of the whole standards things, XML, SOAP, Wc3 are all standards bodies of recent vintage, they were designed to enable companies to create innovative product that put everyone on an equal footing... and Sun, Netscape and the other participants are following them almost religiously... NS 6 beta is a buggy but almost exact to the letter implimentation of the standards IE5.5 isn't... There is no real standard yet for instant messaging, streaming media and some of the other areas... and I certainly don't blame AOL for locking out others in the instant messaging protocols,, I would too in their position.. if they let microsoft instant messanger link with AOL, then who would download the AOL version since the Ms one is BUNDLED WITH WINDOWS??? AIM would go the way netscape is now If people had the choise of downloading MS instant messanger or AOL messanger, then that would be fair... and I would think that people had a fair choice.. newbies learn what they have in front of them,, and like IE, Ms instant messanger is part of windows, and once you learn a piece of software, and it works well enough.. then most people don't go trying the oppositions product its as simple as that, I can't believe you are saying its not anticompetitive.. it was so blatent that a team of judges couldn't revoke the ruling of a judge they all declaired to be prejudiced... Having said all of that, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly don't begrudge you yours... Thats what open source is about, the right to choose,, something Ms don't think we should know we have... (and most newies don't.) have a lovely day... :-) regards Frank -Original Message- From: Jose Mirles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 9:33 AM To: Franki; Rules Address for MDK Subject: Re: FW: [newbie] curious On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:21, Franki wrote: couple of little points I would add to that... years ago when the www was new, netscape developed a pretty not browser and called it navigator.. ms then came up with IE and in order to get rid of NS, they bundled it with Windows, so that people who already had a browser would use that instead of downloading one,, it worked No, it was Netscape's refusal to correct errors which still plague it today that destroyed Netscape. Navigator 3.03 was a rock solid browser, then Netscape became big headed and started creating their own extension and then tried to throw Communicator at us. They have no one to blame but themselves. Hardcore Navigator users (me included) simply chose a better product in IE.
RE: FW: [newbie] curious ....
oh yeah, I meant to respond to this as well.. MS is full of innovation. Thanks to them millions upon million of users can now use a PC. OS2 didn't do that, neither did UNIX or Linux. It was Windows 3.1 that started it and Windows 95 that really made PC's sell. I may not like MS, but I can not denied their kudos. thats not innovation, its marketing MS's marketing companys costs them a half a billion a year, and they earn every cent..
Re: [newbie] How do I change the default permanently?
Mandrake wrote: A3 paper size useless here, need us letter size. How do I change it permanently? -- Linux is cool Have you tried the Printer icon on the desktop? Properties -General -Paper size - Letter Save - OK Barry
[newbie] hardware compatibility/general network questions
Well, I still have not personally installed MD 8.0 or successfully installed a modem. But I have read more of the manuals/books, etc and have asked for help from a computer store that has one tech support person who is pretty familiar w/ Linux (but says he's not an expert on Mandrake). But that's not stopping me from thinking about networking 3 old computers, all with Linux installed! I'll still have one Win 98 machine upstairs, a DELL Latitude, 233 MHZ, 132 MB RAM, 2.9 GB 975 MB hds for the kids, me, and husband, while I experiment/learn Linux, etc. That machine is set up just like a desktop and is not used outside the home ...so there's a keyboard and mouse attached, making it much easier for kids to use. The first machine, the one I'm using downstairs now, is the one where the Linux OS was installed by CompUSA, and the modem was installed by a small computer store guy ... 500 MHZ CPU ... 64 MB RAM, 6.4 2.9 GB harddrives The 2nd one (downstairs) currently has 40 MB RAM, 216 MHZ AMD K6, w/ 2 1.9 Quantum Fireball hard drives. I've checked all the hardware in the SUSE database, and it seems fine ... but I need at least 64MB RAM for the install (32 MB for text install which I'm NOT up for . BTW, the CompUSA guy said he had to do a text install, so who knows what that means) The 3rd one (upstairs) currently has 40 MB RAM, 200 MHZ AMD -K6, a 1.62 GB Fujitsu and 202 MB WS Caviar hard drives. The motherboard is ASUS VX97 ... I couldn't find the hard drives or the motherboard on the SUSE list ... should I assume, then, that it's not a good idea to try to install it onto this machine? Or are there other places to find out about hardware compatibility? The first question I have is related to hardware ... the 2nd about the general networking idea. I'm thinking that the Netgear stuff we bought a couple years ago will work ... Have I got the general idea here? The 3Com network card that the computer store guy successfully installed will be in machine #1 ... Computer #2 would have Netgear FA3101X REV D1, #3 would have the FA310TX REV - D2 ... and one of those machines would also have the Netgear 4-Port 10Base-T Ethernet Hub (model EN104). The printer would be shared by all the machines (old HP Deskjet 400), and each machine could be on the internet ... one at a time, though, since our phone line makes a very slow modem internet connection. Compared to other houses, in other neighborhoods, it's pretty slow. Very annoying. Plus, there will never be DSL here, and cable modem is not yet here. A network person would have to come and put CAT5 plugs at the ends of the cables that the remodel guys put through the walls since we haven't been able to figure that out but I think I've got the overall idea ... Is there a glaring problem, though, with the hardware in the 3rd computer that I'm not aware of? I can see justifying an upgrade on that machine, but I'd love to avoid it if possible. Any help would be appreciated ... I'm wondering which machine should be the hub how you choose those kinds of things... Thanks in advance, Rita __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Rage 128 and Mandrake 8
That is funny. My ATI Rage Fury 128 has been working ever since Mandrake 7.1 came out. It uses the generic ATI Rage FURY driver. Oddly enough I also have another machine that has a ATI All IN Wonder which uses the same driver and I haven't had any problems. I am using the AGP verisons in both cases. Eric Ekong Mandrake User * Philip Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010701 13:19]: Hello, I read all the stuff about the Rage problems on Mandrake, especially the how-to @ http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html and the info on http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hbits.html#Rage. I still don't get my Rage Fury AGP 32mb to work with X. If I switch to 640x480 it shows a functional, but very weird looking X (doublefeature), otherwise the screen goes blank, my monitor shuts down and the system locks up. Could someone provide me a link to some more information on this ? I had Suse 7.0 installed previously and it just worked fine. I'd rather use Mandrake, though ... Suse has something to say about this on http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/behling_rage128_suse72.html, I didn't do that on Suse 7.0 but maybe it will help figure out what the problem is, I'm too much of a newbie to get that working on Mandrake :( I'm working on an Athlon System with an Asus mainboard. Thanks a lot! Phil -- Uptime: 1:46AM up 12:07, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[newbie] mount a floppy
what is the command to mount a floppy drive? Kevin Fonner Vice President and CTO Greenfern Corporation Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (888) 411-3923 Fax: (877) 807-4064 Web:http://www.greenfern.com/
Re: [newbie] curious ....
On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:55 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: Again, well said! Like any community, there are a variety of members with a variety of goals. Some of us would like to see Linux on the desktop be the OS of choice for normal people. I'd like to see that, and will be trying to help. From what I've heard, Mandrake is one of the distributions that has a similar goal (as does KDE, AFAIK (As Far As I Know).) Thanks for your letter! Randy Kramer (not a representative of Mandrake, just a user on the list) Judith Miner wrote: --other good stuff snipped Most people would have given up by now and just wiped Linux off the drive. I'll be posting my questions on this list and hope I'll find solutions for the problems that pop up every time I try to do something. I see wonderful potential in KDE, Gnome, and other desktops, but this thing is not ready for prime time. I hope things will get a bit more polished and complete by the time Windows XP is released because I think this may be THE moment of opportunity for Linux on the desktop. I'm sure you will find over the next several versions that Linux Mandrake will provide an option for all users. Just keep the constructive cristicism coming folks. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] curious ....
On Sunday 01 July 2001 02:02 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:55 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: Again, well said! Like any community, there are a variety of members with a variety of goals. Some of us would like to see Linux on the desktop be the OS of choice for normal people. I'd like to see that, and will be trying to help. From what I've heard, Mandrake is one of the distributions that has a similar goal (as does KDE, AFAIK (As Far As I Know).) Thanks for your letter! Randy Kramer (not a representative of Mandrake, just a user on the list) Judith Miner wrote: --other good stuff snipped Most people would have given up by now and just wiped Linux off the drive. I'll be posting my questions on this list and hope I'll find solutions for the problems that pop up every time I try to do something. I see wonderful potential in KDE, Gnome, and other desktops, but this thing is not ready for prime time. I hope things will get a bit more polished and complete by the time Windows XP is released because I think this may be THE moment of opportunity for Linux on the desktop. I'm sure you will find over the next several versions of Linux OS, Linux Mandrake will provide an option for all users. Just keep the constructive criticism coming folks. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] curious ....
With all due respect I keep hearing that remark about Apple. That initially it is expensive but in the long run you save money. Frankly, a BMW and Volvo are expensive at first but in the long with the quality and safety you save money. Of course you have to be able to afford it. You either have the large down payment and make those large monthly payment or you have the credit line. I do a lot of home video editing the total cost of my own built machine is still 1/3 of what a high end Mac costs. Exclude the iMac which at their cheapest, or affordable if you like, is still a $1000 without a rebate. I don't use anything smaller than a 17 monitor since my eyes are going ka ka. The iMacs is not an appealing or an option for me personally. I like the PowerMacs but all of the ones I have seen even with rebates are still out of my range and many many people. I guess like any luxury if you willing to eat spam and bologne use the toothpaste until the tub is rolled flatter than paper than great. Just curios does anyone run Linux, without third party software, on a Mac? I saw a package claiming to run Red Hat Linux on any Mac. Just curios to see how that is done with or without a third party software.
Re: [newbie] Dual Heads
As of about an hour ago or so, I finally was able to get DualHead working on my Mandrake 8.0 box. I had problems getting it installed because I didn't have the right drivers, and the Matrox support web page was down all damn weekend. Once I got the mga and mga_hal driver in the right place, all I had to do was use the PowerDesk app that you need to install, and it edited my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for me. Now I have two 19 monitors and I'm loving all the extra space. I'm running the Matrox Millenium G400 MAX. One 19 HP M90, and one 19 SONY Trinitron A400/L tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 11:39PM up 10 hrs, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 | Do I have to buy a new secondary monitor, or are there options for | configuring monitors in MDK8 (I have already tried the vidcard setup and it | does not work) | _ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | | --
[newbie] How do I change the default permanently?
A3 paper size useless here, need us letter size. How do I change it permanently? -- Linux is cool
