Re: [newbie] terrible browser fonts
hi... i'm really jumping in the middle of the conversation here, but just wanted to say that i also have a SiS. there is some info regarding the SiS chipsets at mandrakeuser.org, and also the SiS website does have linux drivers and information. might be worth taking a look at. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:00:24 PM 5/28/01 sean gibbins wrote: Hi Randy. Hope you don't mind the intrusion, but I couldn't help noticing you're using a SiS 630 chipset. Don't mind at all! I'm having a sod of a job setting up XFree86 3.3.6 on my laptop; essentially I've ended up with what appears to be an oversized desktop which I view through my LCD panel. I can navigate around the desktop with the mouse, effectively moving the aperture formed by the monitor over the desktop. I'd like a 1024x768 16-bit desktop, but I can't figure out where in XF86Config the glitch is. I'm using XFree86 3.3.6 with experimental acceleration, having installed the latest SiS Linux drivers. From what I can see in Mandrake Control Centre's X Windows section, everything is as it should be from the point of view of monitor, resolution, colour depth, card, etc. I don't know where to go next and I'd appreciate your thoughts if you can spare a minute. I don't know enough to solve the problem for you, but i saw somebody else post about something very similar in the last few days (might have been on the expert list). The suggestion was to change the order of the mon (?) lines in the config file for XFree. (I can't remember the name of the config file -- is it XF86Config -- I can't call it up at the moment, and I don't know the correct name for those lines but they are the lines that specify the parameters for the display at different sizes.) He suggested that the file should be edited so the lines appeared in the opposite order, i.e., if they were smallest to largest rearrange them so they are largest to smallest. (Actually he recommended they be arranged in a specific order, largest to smallest or smallest to largest, but I forget which he suggested.) If you try this and it works, let me know. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer
Re: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8
just 2 more cents i have mdk8 on a PI / 150MHz and it doesn't run as slow as some of the reports i have seen here. it isn't fast by any means, but considering the speed of that system (and it's age) i'm happy with the performance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Redhat vs Mandrake
this is sooo true. i only do 2 things for free. theatre, and configure/fix computers 'cause i love 'em both that much. =) if you have an ubergeek friend you are set for life. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michel Clasquin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:22:46 PM 5/9/01 Six months later you can then get back to him with remember that UltraObscure LiGNUx v24.2 you told me to install? There's this little problem we're having, nothing major, mind you, but perhaps you've come across it before ... He will then spend the next two weeks overhauling your server free of charge. This is why it is *really* called Free Software ... vbg
Re: [newbie] fstab vs mtab
hi. i know the answer to this one=) fstab is the file which tells linux which partitions to mount, where to mount them, and how to mount them during boot. this is where you make changes to the mounting procedure. mtab is what actually is mounted, how where it is mounted. *DO NOT* edit this file. you can look at it, do not edit. i have never tried editing it, but i understand it is a bad bad thing. hope that clears the mud for ya. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:31:04 AM 5/9/01 Hi, I was looking through the files in /etc and realised that /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab have very similar contents. Could anybody enlighten me on what're the differences between these files, e.g. in terms of function? Thanks.
[newbie] riddle me this -- chmod
here is a question for you folks. i have a directory with subdirectories which contains my web site. it is /backup/website and files subdirectories exist under that. when i cd to /backup/website and run chmod -R 644 *.jpg *.gif *.htm it will not work on the contents of the subdirectories. i have also tried chmod 644 -R *.jpg *.gif *.htm and chmod 644 *.jpg *.gif *.htm -R and I have tried these as root. as user i do have access permission to all files and directories under /backup/website and my user account is the owner. anyone know why the -R doesn't work with chmod? Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] If this will not turn businesses to Linux I don'tknow what will.
ya know, about a year ago i read someplace that Gates was considering a system by which Windows would run off the internet and you would pay a yearly fee for using it. Since then i have heard nothing else about this plan. maybe it was only a rumour, but from the M$ point of view (hatred of the customer greed) it really makes sense. i would not be surprised to see it happen. this whole thing of refusing to sell computers w/o an OS, or to sell computer parts, or insisting that the upgrade be performed by the dealer is so sad. when i called compaq about adding a larger hard drive to my system as hda they about had fits -- in addition to not knowing a thing about how large of a hard drive the system would take. M$ at one time i think was a good company. they did do wonders in the early days. what happened thank the gods (which ever you worship) for linux. i'll never acquaire another M$ product. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:21:21 PM 5/1/01 But isn't the MS whole plot is to have you rent or lease software from the .NET and ASPs. What they seem to be doing is making harder and harder for someone to buy and install software on their own machine. They don't want anyone to control the software and the PC. I would not doubt that in a couple of years you will have to pay by the hour to run MS Windows but they'll obsfuscate in a way such that they make it look like you are paying a service (like an electrical utility) to run their software...
Re: [newbie] rm 'ing stuff
there is indeed an alias i have such a thing also and it is put there upon install in order to protect us from ourselves. =) check again... it is someplace, either in you /home/user or maybe also in a global file. but it is there. i'm sure someone else can point you right to it. i could if i were at my box, but i'm not going to trust the RAM in my skull. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jordan Elver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:03:32 PM 5/2/01 Hi, How do I remove stuff i.e. rm -r folder/ without having to type yes to every file in the folder? I thought there might be an alias in .bashrc but I can't see anything in there? Any ideas? TIA, Cheers, Jord
Re: [newbie] Consistency Please!
you are using grub right? i use grub with 8.0 and i have a /boot/grub/menu.lst which is just the same as in 7.2. if you are using lilo i know not much about that. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOzy Pal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:15:40 PM 4/23/01 Hello Guys I doing a dual boot and I am trying to adjust the boot menu. In MDK 7.2 everything was listed in a file called menu.lst. However, this file disappeared in Mdk 8.0. What's up with that? Mdk are doing well as far as user interface which will attract a lot of people and I hope they stay consistent. OOzy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] RC1 vs. 8.0 ?
no kidding... i received a whole load of html mail today aaarrrggghh now i understand why it is so hated please folks, have mercy on us Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rog [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:36:40 PM 4/20/01 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:54:19 +0200, you wrote: html font size=3br Is RC1 different from the 8.0 release ??brbr thx,br philomenabrbr br /font/html Bob (or Philomena, whichever applies)! Please! No HTML email on the list! Text only! peace, Rog Pro-lik Avs in 5
Re: [newbie] mandrake forum?
ya know, now that you mention it, i haven't either. you are not alone Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] s [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:56:50 PM 4/17/01 Anybody else subscribed to the mandrake forum newsletter/announcement list? I haven't gotten an email from them since March 31. Am I alone in this? -s
[newbie] Powerchute -- ttyS0
howdy, i'm trying to set up powerchute for linux to run with an APC back-UPS 500 so that it will shut down my system if the power goes out. it is attached on com1 / ttyS0 it is working under windows just fine the powerchute for linux installed good except that the software requires total control of the port that it is on, and it seems that there may be something else using that port which would explain why i can not communicate with the UPS. so my question is -- how do i go about finding out what is using ttyS0? if someone can at least point me to the command or program that would do this i can probably start to puzzle it out. no need for long detailed instructions -- yet -- let me mess it up first, then i'll be back.=) thank you much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] to Marcia anyone else regarding desktop publishing
hi Marcia, remembering all the things we talked about i stumbled across this today. just found it, so i haven't really read up on it yet, but figured i'd send it your way. i notice it does calenders. =) for the homepage, look for iceSculptor http://209.61.186.230/ for a review of the product http://linux.cnet.com/linux/0-2136890-7-5518909.html Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Enlightenment ScreenSavers
i think what you are refering to is simply the XFree screen blanker kicking in. i have no idea how to configure it, tho it's on my list of things go figure out as i'd like to bump it up to 20 minutes. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ammon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:07:31 PM 3/30/01 EVERY OS is required to have a ScreenSaver. ;)) Not really. :0 I just noticed that if I leave my computer for very long the screen goes blank. Ammon At 08:45 AM 3/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: well, i use E and i never knew it had a screen saver. =) where did you find something regarding the E screensaver? maybe that will give us a clue. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ammon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:14:30 AM 3/30/01 Hi, How do I set the ScreenSaver in enlightenment?? Thanks Ammon
Re: [newbie] SiS on-board graphics
hi, i am burdened with an on-board SiS also. are you using XFree 4.0.1? if so, you might want to try going with the 3.x.x version on the 7.2 CDs. i still have this vertical line on the left edge of my monitor with is not suppose to be there. i had no problems at all with the 3.x.x version. i understand that the 4.0.2 is suppose to be better with SiS, but when i tried to upgrade it wouldn'd take. i am simply waiting the 8.0 and i'll worry aobut it then. =) i assume you have tried changing you monitor settings (type of monitor and resolution) to more conservative values you still get this noise? hope this helps you Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:15:00 PM 3/31/01 Hello Folks! I've installed Mandrake 7.20 on a machine which has a Jetway 531CF m/board. Although the installation appeared to work just fine, I'm having problems with video. The m/board has SiS 620 on-board graphics and no matter what I do with the video settings, I'm getting thin, randomly spaced, broken vertical lines on screen. Ideas anyone? Regards, Martin --- CrossPoint v3.30.021 R
Re: [newbie] SiS on-board graphics
regarding the SiS thingy it was written: Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:58:46 PM 3/31/01 So check the card's web site. They may provide Linux drivers. actually, they do have linux info at their site, and MUO also has some SiS related information.
Re: [newbie] dos and Linux
DOS/Win can not see linux partitions. this is due to the superiority complex which runs amok in the Evil Empire (TM). there are Win apps that will access your linux partition. i have one called Captain Nemo, but i do not use it extensively so i can not vouch for reliability. remember, Win98 can not even see NTFS M$ is not compatable with it's self, much less compatable with anything else. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:52:44 AM 4/2/01 Hi folks.. A Linux virgin here. I have LM7.2 on a separate drive. W98SE on the other drive with Grub as the boot selector. Why does LM not show up in DOS? Is it possible to make it do so? TIA(thanx in advance). Lee
Re: [newbie] DiskDrake won't resize my partition
hi... do i understand you correctly here? the drive is one large fat partition, and you are trying to resize that partition without losing the data on it? i don't think diskdrake can do this, without data lose that is. tho i could be wrong. diskdrake is an impressive tool -- however i don't think it can resize partitions and preserve data. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Doni Nikolovski" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:08:37 AM 4/2/01 When I click on the Resize button in DiskDrake (after entering expert mode) during the installation of Mandrake 7.2, I get the following message: "this partition is not resizable". I have a single windows (win98) FAT32 partition that takes up the entire disk (19GB). I've run the windows utils 'defrag' and 'scandisk' (thorough scan), as well as Norton utils like speed disk and disk doctor before attempting the install. I've also tried the option that frees space on your windows partition but I get an error saying that I need to 'defrag' (but I did this before the install). I would appreciate any help or advice (I wish to run Linux along side windows). Thanks.
Re: [newbie] how come stupid gimp won't make an imagetransparent to paste
calm grasshopper. the ways of digital imaging are complex and make little sense. one must just push buttons until "it" happens. ok what do you mean by "make an image transparent"? do you mean a transparent background behind an image, or do you mean the image it's self is transparent and can be seen thru? also, are you trying to save this image as a file with a transpartent background (like graphics one sees on a web site where the background is transparent)? if this is the case, you have to save it in GIF format. if this doesn't help, give me some more information. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chubby Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:20:45 PM 4/1/01 I'm very pissed off I cant get gimp to make an image transparent so I can paste it over another image and not block the back image out. Is gimp just dumb or did no one write how to do it? I can't find it anywhere
RE: [newbie] com port to com port connection
i'll look into that. i kinda figure something like this would be built right in to linux, i just had no idea where to look for it. as to my choice of com ports - i could network, but it's not worth the memory use and time to figure out as i want each box as a total stand alone, and i could use the parallel ports as you suggest, but yes i am so lazy, to do that i would have to *gasp* up plug the printer. oh my, the stress. =) like i said, i'm really lazy, and quite honestly how long it takes to transfer the files is not important. my com ports are unused, that's why i would just as soon use them. thanks for the help Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Franki" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:31:12 PM 4/2/01 why you need a program? you can use linux to creat a linux "dialup" serial connection..."slip" I think it is try setting that up via drakeconf... serial connections are very slow, if you can't user ethernet, a parallel cable would be alot faster for transfering files then serial... Frank Hauptle / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ Gshop Network Payment Solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adrian Smith Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 4:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] com port to com port connection i have 2 linux boxes. i would like to put a cable from com 1 to com 1 and transfer some files from one box to the other. is there a program that will do this, or can i do it from the command line? thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Enlightenment ScreenSavers
well, i use E and i never knew it had a screen saver. =) where did you find something regarding the E screensaver? maybe that will give us a clue. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ammon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:14:30 AM 3/30/01 Hi, How do I set the ScreenSaver in enlightenment?? Thanks Ammon
Re: [[newbie] CorelPHOTOPAINT9 Install]
the fonttastic RPM is in there with the PP9 RPMs. i had the same problem, it didn't install with the rest of PP. you have 2 RPMs. a 2.0 and a 2.1. use the 2.1and install it as Alex said to do. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] donald hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:06:58 PM 3/29/01 Where did you get FontTastic? I installed PP9.0 from 2 sources (download CD) and all I get when i try to run it some error it can't initialize FontTastic (and I can't find any such files). Don This may not be the right place to ask, but I thought someone here said something about having installed PhotoPaint on their machine. I can't install FontTastic, the RPM Manager tells me, "file etc/init.d from install of fonttastic-glibc-2.1-200.06.22.14.00 conflicts with file from package initscripts-5.27-37mdk". How do I get it to work?? Thanks Ammon Don Hinds - photo, motorcycle, misc. http://www.wyzards.com Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: [newbie] Where, oh where is D:\?
hi... let me see if i understand you correctly. "D" drive is not seen in Linux or Win, yes? first off, do you have anything on D that you need? if not, this is what i would do. linux, as root or su run diskdrake. it will find your partitions and all. select the D partition. oh, use diskdrake in 'advanced' mode the D partition will not be mouted (if it is, unmount it) hit the 'change type' button change it to fat32 hit the 'format' button format it hit the 'mount' button it will ask for a mount path, give it where you want linux to mount it. hit 'write fstab' disk drake will write an fstab with your D drive in it. exit linux, start windows. i expect it to be there now. if not... i'm not sure what is going on=) next time you start linux, it will be there as you have updated your fstab. now, if your D had data on it you need, don't do this. =) someone smarter than me might have to help you in that case. i hope this solves your problem Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jeffrey Sparks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:16:09 AM 3/28/01 Not STRICTLY a Linux issue, but here goes: I got Mandrake 7.1 up running pretty much the way it should (gotta get kmail configured, but that's betweeen me Comcast). When I partitioned the drive (20GB IDE) I set up two partition as WinFAT (C D). I did this by shrinking the C drive with was the whole kit kaboodle down to about 1.8GB then made a 2nd WIN partition (D) about the same size. The rest I gave to Linux. Long story short, "D" doesn't mount. Dual booting, etc. runs fine, but there's only about 350MB left on C:\ I need the D:\ for Win98 disk space. When I check 'du' in Linux, the total partitions (including Windoze) adds up to 18.3GB, meaning that 1.7 is out there, it just won't mount in W98 or Linux. How do I get that running as an active (though not bootable) drive/partition? Thanks!
Re: [newbie] RPM Version 3 / 4 problem
i don't remember the whole story with this, but i can give you the short version. mandrake does not do RPM 4 yet. stick with version 3 you can somehow force 4 to work, however the person who posted how to do this also pointed out that it will trash your system. so the point is what? =) if you want the detailed version, i'm sure someone here can provide it, or you can search the archives. unless of course, this problem has since been fixed, in which case i am totally wrong. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:07:23 AM 3/26/01 Hi, Im running Mandrake 7.1 and have come across a problem with the Version of RPM I am using. It seems many packages are now prepared using version 4 which is not compatible with 3 I just get an error message stating words to this effect. Fun part is, I cant install the version 4 RPM as its packed with 4! (Or so it seems) Anyone else come across this and solved it? Dont know wether to uninstall this and get a tarball, any ideas please? TIA Wayne.
Re: [newbie] Applix
i will check out the calender thing when i get home today and see what happens. as to opening word documents, it must be the demo that does not do these things. i don't have many word documents, but the few i do have open just fine. you have the applix demo running right? if it helps you could email me some sample word documents, i can open them in applix and save them as applix files then send them back to you. if the word docs you work with are simply text with basic formatting i know it will work fine. i have also opened doc files with images and that works fine. i haven't tried really advanced doc files -- say, columes with frames and such -- like one would have with a news letter. applix will handle MSWord, Wordperfect, RTF, plain text, just about anything i have run into. it also saves in HTML format which is somewhat useful. later Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] marcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:33:12 AM 3/22/01 Dear Adrian, Thank you for letting me know about Applix 5. I am a newsletter editor so of course I have to write alot, also. It sounds like it may be the word processor for me then. I would love to know if I can create calendars easily with it. I have to place calendars with events into my newsletter besides the articles and main body of the newsletter. If you could easily find out if it can create calendars I would appreciate that. I checked out the help system on my Applix demo and it seems to be fine so far. Does Applix open up Word documents OK? I tried to open other documents on the demo but it would not let me do anything in that area. I wonder if it is because it is just a demo. Thanks for the information and assistance. I appreciate it. I may ask more about it in the near future. Sincerely, Marcia
Re: [newbie] REMOVE ME
now now guys... lets be nice to the windows users. if they could read, they wouldn't need icons to click on. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:02:01 PM 3/21/01 doesn't anyone READ the instructions anymore? God only knows what they'd do with a map somewhere out in the wilderness with little gas left. call the map maker for directions? NOT! Mark Michael Scottaline wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST PLEASE! REMOVE ME! There is NO ONE on this list that can remove you. `cept, of course, the person who signed you up for it. My guess is that would be YOU! Go back to where you signed up and read up on how to remove yourself from the list. We just CAN'T do it!! Mike -- "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there." --Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [newbie] Spare partition
howdy -- if i understand you correct, you want to take an existing fat32 and convert it to ext2, yes? i have done this in the following way -- run diskdrake and find out exactly which partition i'm dealing with, such as hda4 then i used diskdrake to change the partition type (fat32 to ext2) then i formated the drive. exit diskdrake open /etc/fstab in my favorite editor remove the old line for hda4 write a new line for hda4 exit the editor reboot go to /mnt and delete the folder where hda4 use to mount at. that worked for me i'm sure there are other ways. i don't think MDK has any way to "autodetect" these sort of changes. if you don't change the fstab, i image the system will still try to mount your newly created ext2 partion as a fat32 partition. but maybe i'm wrong about that. hope this helps you some. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Wayne Alexander" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:51:31 PM 3/15/01 I have a 3 gig partition I would like to give to linux to use (currently vfat) and was wondering as it is mounted already as WINDOWS, if I was to change it to ext2 would I have to messa round with my fstab or would MDK7.2 pick it up and make the appropriate changes for me? Would this cause any problems with my system? Thanks, Wayne _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [newbie] Anybody got Sane working yet?
i have also messed with SANE a bit. no luck. at the moment i'm just letting it slide. my scanner isn't fully supported by linux yet anyhow, so i still have to use win to make full colour scans. hopefully soon SANE will be more idiot proof and i'll be able to figure it out.=) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meph Istopheles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:27:15 AM 3/16/01 Graham, I've tried to use Sane under MDK 7.2 but with no luck so far. It tells me that no sane devices are detected. I have a Plustek 9630 parallel port scanner and there appears to be a Plustek back end. Is there anything I need to configure to get a result? Though it didn't work for me -- I have the same scanner, but it won't work in either lm7.2 ~or~ Windows. I'd wasted the whole of a weekend trying to get it working. Anyway, there is an update for the Plustek backend. Trouble is, it requires numerous updates -- at least one of which is an unstable cooker update. May or may not work for you. In the end, I was left with a still unworking scanner various minor problems I couldn't figure out. Doubt it's related, but eventually, my video wouldn't accept any settings above 16-bit colour a very bad refresh rate. So, I'd reinstalled got rid of the whole mess. Let me know if you figure it out, though. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
Re: [newbie] LM 7.2 and Xfree and CD-RW
hi, don't know about the first question but as to your Xfree question, with 7.2 (i have only done the expert mode install -- so i don't know if you can get this option with other installs) you can use either vesion 3.x.x (don't recall the exact, but i believe it's the same as 7.1) or version 4.0.1. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Murman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:55:08 PM 3/13/01 1) Currently running LM 7.0, have 7.2 ready to install. Although I keep reading that my Micro Solutions Backpack (external para port) CD-RW will function under Linux with paraide installed, has anyone tried it with success? I have to keep booting back into Windblows to burn stuff. 2) Also, LM 7.0 supports my clunky S540 based video card. Referring to the Mandrake supported hardware list I don't see this chipset listed. Xfree 4.0 (I think) doesn't support it either (included with 7.2), yes? Can I choose to install an older version of Xfree when I upgrade to 7.2? Pat the Rat
Re: [newbie] video card compatable with xfree
hey, thank you Alan. it didn't occure to me to check the mandrake site once i looked at the xfree site. i'll keep that in mind for next time. thanks again Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:42:16 PM 3/13/01 Adrian Smith wrote: i'm trying to find out if the following card will work with xfree Matrox Mystique 220 Business with a MGA-1164SG chip set. i check the Matrox site, no mentions of Linux there. checked the Xfree site. they have some matrox products listed, but not this specific one, nor this specific chip set. should i assume then that it is not supported? thanks much for any assistance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrianaccording to the MandrakeSoft supported hardware list located at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fhard.php3 one of the listed Matrox cards is: Mystique with 170 and 220 MHz integrated RAMDACs (both MGA1064SG and MGA1164SG) -- Alan
[newbie] video card compatable with xfree
hey, thank you Alan. it didn't occure to me to check the mandrake site once i looked at the xfree site. i'll keep that in mind for next time. thanks again Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:42:16 PM 3/13/01 Adrian Smith wrote: i'm trying to find out if the following card will work with xfree Matrox Mystique 220 Business with a MGA-1164SG chip set. i check the Matrox site, no mentions of Linux there. checked the Xfree site. they have some matrox products listed, but not this specific one, nor this specific chip set. should i assume then that it is not supported? thanks much for any assistance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrianaccording to the MandrakeSoft supported hardware list located at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fhard.php3 one of the listed Matrox cards is: Mystique with 170 and 220 MHz integrated RAMDACs (both MGA1064SG and MGA1164SG) -- Alan
[newbie] video card compatable with xfree
i'm trying to find out if the following card will work with xfree Matrox Mystique 220 Business with a MGA-1164SG chip set. i check the Matrox site, no mentions of Linux there. checked the Xfree site. they have some matrox products listed, but not this specific one, nor this specific chip set. should i assume then that it is not supported? thanks much for any assistance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] cdrecord
hi, a comment about your original problem. just to eliminate something simple, have you tried different brands of blank CDs? see, my burner was working fine under linux, then suddenly it started trashing about 50% of the CD-Rs i tried to burn. i was trying to figure all this out and one day it occured to me that when i used my CD-RWs (4 of them, every weekend to backup) i never had a problem. i was using Memorx CDs (should have known better) so i bought a pack if Imation (for half the cost) and guess what. they work perfect. i haven't made a single coaster yet since using up the Memorx. and yes, i did shuffle between the Memorx Imation disk all in one session. it was the media, not my hardware / software. one other thing, on this win vs. linux thing. i recently installed Win98se on a different hard drive, but my same computer. the CD burner would not work. yet again -- if you think windows is "easy" to install, i don't think you've tried it lately. this last install took me over 2 hours and the burner nor sound card work at all. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] What's up with the list?
it happens. sometimes i post it shows up 3 days later. sometimes i also get as many as 40 copys of the same message. who knows it's one of those mysteries of the world. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:15:37 AM 3/8/01 Why does it take so long for our emails to go through? = Chantha K. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC - about the ridiculous 8.0 betaresponse
no kidding. get a life people. or get a web site and post you venting there. all the whining is far more offensive than the original comment. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jay needs a Guinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:10:43 PM 3/7/01 In this day of political correctness we always have to be wary of what and how we say it. I, for one, am NOT politically correct. I refuse to be offended by what anybody says on a mailing list and my suggestion is, if you are offended by a comment (or my signature line...remember that one) just ignore the comment or delete the offending message. Stop flooding the inbox with ridiculous replies about how you feel about it, for it is redundant and uncalled for. -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com http://celtic.free
Re: [newbie] graphical login background..
howdy. i didn't notice if anyone had answered your question, and i'm a few days behind on email, so if you haven't found the answer yet, it is located at: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/troubles/tquick7.html right at the top of the page. i used this method with 7.2 it works perfect. have a better one. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "B.V.L.S.Prasad" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:59:23 PM 2/27/01 can anybody suggest how to change of background of graphical login..in LM7.2 . I could do with RedHat and Suse..where they have xsri support but no xsri for LM7.2 How to move the login window from one place to another thankyou.. Happy Day, Prasad, B.V.L.S., Research Scholar. * AIM OF SCIENTIFIC ADVENTURE : NATURE CRYSTALLOGRAPHY * _ __ ___ ___ ___ |Thought| | Fourier| | | |Different| | Fourier | |Structure| | waves |--|Analysis|--|NATURE|--|Forms of |--|Synthesis|--| of| | | || | | |Knowledge| | | | NATURE | |___| || |__| |_| |_| |_| * [EMAIL PROTECTED] PROTEIN CRYSTALLOGRAPHY ...Shiva *
Re: [newbie] Removal from this list
dude. wonderful reply. you are my hero for the week. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:30:39 AM 2/24/01 I'm one of the morons that can't read a book, but I *will* supply a link to the vehicle for leaving this list - for those that are not bright enough to click a mouse button. It is as follows: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3 If you need help figuring out which mouse button to push, please contact any 5-year-old with hands and fingers. He/she will demonstrate. (Hint: It's on the left half of the mouse.) If all else fails, there are something called "filters" that will get rid of this stuff for you. But, if you can't handle a simple mouse click, you're not going to have much success with filters. sigh Now, maybe us morons can stop seeing messages like "Dear God, please give me the brains I need for basic function", and get some assistance that we need to wean ourselves from that Trojan Horse - the "W" word! (Lord knows that the documentation for every aspect of Linux is very concise, complete, and even easy to understand...!)
[newbie] the fonttastic problem
hi. i had the same problem with photopaint / fonttastic. the fonttastic RPM is in your photopaint files. there are 2 of them. a 2.0 and a 2.1 i think. for some reason yours, like mine, did not install. install the newer of the RPMs. you may have to use the overwrite files option. i did. after that you should be ok. i notice you say it's not in with your photopaint files. that is odd. where did you get photopaint? mine is the set of install files downloaded from corels web site. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] donald hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:42:09 AM 2/20/01 "And finally, check the archives of this list for the problems associated with the "fontastic install". I recall someone posting the solution to this within the past month. I seem to recall someone posting a difficulty with WP8 fairly recently, too--I didn't pay much attention since I've installed it on 7.0 and 7.1 and then never used it." That was me, and I followed their links (which were good). The LM help page is the one that says to install the 'fonttastic...rpm' from the install CD, and since it is a Mandrake page one assumes the Mandrake CD, but fonttastic isn't on any of my 8 Mandrake CDs (I have LM 7.2, 6.5 CDs and LM utilities CD set too). It's not on either of the CDs that have WP8, nor the CD with Corel PhotoPaint. Mandrake seems to be hoplessly lost. Don Don Hinds - photo, motorcycle, misc. http://www.wyzards.com Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
RE: [newbie] WordPerfect 8 license key and PhotoPaint install
i run photopaint with X 4.0.1 and i don't get any error messages. i don't have a clue what that could be. i'm lots of help i know. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liaw, Andy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:00:24 AM 2/14/01 Much thanks for the help on WP8 and PhotoPaint. Yes, "photopaint" (in /usr/bin) works. Although I did get some error messages in the console saying Xlib: extension "XFree86-Misc" missing on display ":0.0". Does anyone know why? I'm using XFree86-4 as shipped in LM7.1, but the Corel apps seems to be built with XFree3. Could this be the problem? Thanks again. Andy -Original Message- From: Adrian Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] WordPerfect 8 license key and PhotoPaint install i think it's 'photopaint' i use it but since i put it in the menu i haven't typed it at the command line in ages. i'll check when i get back to my linux box and if it's something else i'll let ya know, but 'photopaint' sounds right. -- Also, I downloaded PhotoPaint9 for Linux and installed it. The problem is I don't know how to start the program! The installer put a bunch of files in /usr/lib/corel, but I couldn't find an appropriate excecutable under that directory tree. I couldn't find anything in the README either. Has anyone have better luck? Please let me know. TIA! Cheers, Andy Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Star Office
yes it will. i have SO 5.2 from mkd 7.1 on a 7.2 system. no problems Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:05:17 PM 2/14/01 Anyone know if the star office that is on the Mandrake 7.1 CD will work in 7.2? I'd rather not download SO if I don't have to. Thanks, -- John W
Re: [newbie] WordPerfect 8 license key and PhotoPaint install
i think it's 'photopaint' i use it but since i put it in the menu i haven't typed it at the command line in ages. i'll check when i get back to my linux box and if it's something else i'll let ya know, but 'photopaint' sounds right. -- Also, I downloaded PhotoPaint9 for Linux and installed it. The problem is I don't know how to start the program! The installer put a bunch of files in /usr/lib/corel, but I couldn't find an appropriate excecutable under that directory tree. I couldn't find anything in the README either. Has anyone have better luck? Please let me know. TIA! Cheers, Andy Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Fontastic - Corel Photo
interesting. a few of us on the list recently went thru something similar. i could not run PhotoPaint because the fontastic software did not install, so i had to install it myself (the RPM is among the PhotoPaint RPMs). so may i ask you, are you sure it has been installed? maybe that is your problem. if it is there and you still get this message. ya got me =) but that's the first thing i would check. h try: whereis fontastic and maybe that will tell you where the config file (if there is one) is at and you could look in there see if that is the problem. i hope that helps you at least a little. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] donald hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:30:14 AM 2/9/01 I loaded Corel PhotoPaint from the CD included with the Brit Linux magazine. I installs fine, but when I run it it says it can't find the 'path for Fontastic' fonts. Any Ideas? I've searched the WWWeb for 'linux fontastic' and come up with nothing. Don Don Hinds - photo, motorcycle, misc. http://www.wyzards.com Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: [newbie] Is there a way to access ext2 or ReiserFS fromwindows?
Is there a way to access ext2 or ReiserFS from windows? there is a program out there called Captain Nemo which will access ext2, don't know about ReiserFS. i have it intalled and have taken a look at my linux drives with it, but haven't really used it as i've had no reason, so i can not attest to its reliability or such as that. before you ask, =) i don't remeber where i got it. try a google search for Captian Nemo blah blah blah and i'm sure it will turn up. seems i have heard some other programs mentioned on this list that will do the same, but this is the only one i remember off hand. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Distro
having only used Mandrake i can not make valid comparisons, but i will say this -- the install is easy easy easy. in 7.0 7.2 it found all my hardware set it up correct (SCSI, printer, CD burner, sound card). in 7.1 it didn't set up the printer for so odd reason. when i got the CDs and decided to try Linux i was expecting to spend hours or days configuring a kernel and stuff like that. i was shocked when i ***read the instructions*** and saw just how easy it would be. even more shocked when ***the instructions i read*** turned out to be exactly what happened -- as opposed to those packages where the manual was written 2 years before the software and oopps there might be a few changes. also, MDK comes with a ton of apps. i am hooked for life. it's like crack. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Desktop
*HA* what you truly seek young grasshopper is -- Enlightenment Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:05:43 PM 2/8/01 K D E ! There -- is -- no -- other. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ribbo wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 01:39:58 +0700 From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Desktop Tanggal 08 Feb 2001, Dave Sherman mengatakan, Mmmm Window Maker sound of Homer Simpson drooling wmaker rocks... :) gkrellm -w exec wmaker --no-clip --no-dock Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc."Quid quid latine dictum sit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] altum viditur." (763) 569-9839
[newbie] CD burner simply stops
i think i have messed up something, 'cause i use to not have this problem, and i suspect a reinstall might fix, but let me see if anyone has a suggestion or such. here is the deal. start up XCDRoast set up everything to burn a CD start burning. green light on CD burner turns red XCDRoast generates an output and gets to the message "starting new track at sector zero" or something close to that in case i got the exact wording wrong. then the light on CD burner turns back to green, and that's it. nothing more. it just sits there. light stays green, XCDRoast shows no progress. i pretty much have to shut down and start over to get everything back up and running. if it makes it past this point, the next step is where it creats the FIFO (and no, i don't have a clue what that is) but if it gets this far, then it cooks with no problem. as i said, it didn't do this before. now i'm making coasters out of about 50% of my CDs. also, i have tried a dummy write, it worked perfect. didn't change a thing, simply unselected the dummy write option, and it crashed. any suggestions? anyone seen this before? thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Red Hat to Mandrake
hi, thought i'd toss out an answer to this -- with a warning -- i have never done this. =) remember what free advice is worth. anyhowz, i recall some time ago on this very list someone wrote that they did exactly that. they had Red Hat (i don't recall the version however) on their box. they put in the Mandrake CD (v7.0 or 7.1) and used the update option and it worked. however, i'm thinking this might not work with 7.2. many folks have had problems going for 7.0 or 7.1 to 7.2 with the update install, because the 7.2 version changed the directories in which some files are located. the general warning issued on this list is when installing 7.2 format and start from there, do not try to update. this is not to say some people here have not used the update feature and had it work just fine. they have. so, my newbeish thought would be for you to format and do a fresh install. if i'm way off base here hopefully someone will correct me. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Owens, Blaine C" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:56:20 PM 2/8/01 A couple of years ago I was given a dual boot Win98/Red Hat 5.2 PC for some computer related work I had done for a friend. At the time my ISP was dialin and I had all working very well. Since (about 2 weeks ago) I have gone to cable modem and just haven't taken the time to try to figure out how to get my Linux system working. In the meantime another co-worker who I have helped out on Unix systems where I work has given me Mandrake 7.2 CD's along with StarOffice CD's. I would like to try out all this but I have a question before proceeding - do I need to "wipe out" the Red Had before proceeding or do I just do an install of the Mandrake? If advisable to "wipe out" Red Hat - how? Thanks. Blaine Owens Eastman Chemical Company Phone - (423)-229-3579 Cell Phone - (423)-817-0704 Fax - (423)-229-1188 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Re: [S] Distro
*haha* i also learn best by breaking. but since you were asking about books and such. let me recomend anything by O'Reily. i bought Linux In A Nutshell. very good. $35, but worth it. make sure you get the 3rd edition. and, as i like to remind people, check your library. my library here had a number of linux books, to include the nutshell book, and a huge book on StarOffice. so you can try before you buy. and even if they don't, use the inter library loan. i just got the Pocket Guide To GIMP by O'Reily via inter library loan. i wouldn't pay for it, as it's going to change to fast i figure, so i got to use it for free. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "scxxx linux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:51:05 PM 2/8/01 S: Ok. Like you, I enjoy and learn fix broken things. Thanks. Chava
Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)
ok, I'm giving out free advice. being as i own a $400 comcrap, i mean compaq (what is up with corporations who can't spell? i remember when i was spelled compack) but i agree avoid the integrated stuff. my sound / video / motherboard are all one. is one dies, they all die. my free advice: purchase everything seperately. when i look at these high end systems for 3000 and such, i really think you can make a system just as good or better piece by piece. of course, if you are poor folk like me, they you don't have much choice to go with an integrated cheap system. or save up money over the long term. in a perfect world -- i'd go with building my own system. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] Re: GNOME or KDE
"Thio Yu Jin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:43:01 AM 1/20/01 Why is Enlightenment so much better than KDE or Gnome? Jin *haha* now you are starting a war. =) just kidding. i like E because it doesn't look like windows... no icons on the desktop. no menu bar at the bottom. i like the pagers as they make it easy to jump from one desktop to another. the eyecandy is great... i mean really really nice. sometimes i just turn off all the lights and look at the screen. =) it is very easy to customize, and tho some of the things are a bit difficult to figure out, once you get the hang of it cutomizing the menus, desktop, blah blah blah is really easy. it also comes with some nice themes, and you can download many more. it really is all just a matter of personal taste, and i would rather have a "slicker" interface that is a bit slower. i'm not in that much of a hurry. =) also, the E "team" (they are more like leaderless bandits) is working on Enlightenment 17. my understanding is they are completely recoding much of it, and expect the whole thing to be much faster, smoother, even easier to configure and there has been talk of an integreated file manager (don't quote me on the last one). so i think things will be much much better. also, Eterm is great. hey Civilme Mandrake, can we have Eterm 9.1 in the next release? i use it it's perfectly stable as far as i can tell. that would be the bomb. remember, to say E is "better" than X, Y or Z all depends on exactly what you want to do. for many users Blackbox or KDE or Gome is "better". this is what i like about the mandrake package. they give you a whole bunch of WM to play with. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Mandrakesoft CEO defends Linux
this will be a shock to you all, but i have an opinon here. =) i agree with Tom -- although i fully confess Tom is much better at saying than I am. probably because i am an obnoxious and arrogant and Tom isn't. but i can't figure this one out ether, why do you guys care so much about converting windoze users? should we make 18 wheelers with automatic stick shifts so that everyone who drives a car can drive a semi-truck? a honda accord has a purpose. a freightliner tractor/trailer rig has a purpose. they are not the same purpose. a hunting rifle has a purpose. a 50mm vulcan cannon has a purpose. they are not the same purpose. windows has a purpose. linux has a purpose. they are not the same purpose. use the right tool for the right job. if i wanted linux to be like windows, why wouldn't i have just kept using windows? i may not be the sharpest crayon in the box, but i just don't understand this. no product can be everything to everybody. no product. name any one *specific* product that fills every need held by every person on the planet. i think the "must be like windows" concept is a bad thing. i'll try to stuff a sock in my mouth now. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:29:15 PM 1/17/01 OK y'all !!This marks the last time I'm gonna start a thread starting with a news wire URL, well maybe ; Actually I thought it was a business story that kind'a illustrated Linux's present state, and the perception of. The first full install I did of Mandrake was ~500mb. A current 'du -ch /' with my windoze drive umounted is ~4 gigs! ... and I've uninstalled a lot of the apps I don't use, and there's linux stuff on the windoze drive, not in that count. I like it just the way it is, the installer that is. What brandNewbie doesn't install several times before they 'settle in' ? ...and for experienced users, it's easy, albeit time consuming, to install just what you want. As much or little. LM's installation let's YOU choose. I believe there's nothin that needs changin. I like the current trend in Mandrake's installs. As to the 'convert windoze users', and get "linux on everybody's desktop' vein this thread has denigrated to. WHO CARES? Seriously, be more concerned that Linux continues to attract the people that built it to begin with ... the people all over the world that contribute to this free, open source, volunteer effort. Without them, Linux is dead. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
[newbie] USB scanner support
greetings. i'm working on getting my USB scanner to work. so far i have managed to break a few things =) so i guess that is progress. my first question -- so i know i've got something to work with. are the modules to support a USB scanner built into the mdk kernal? i am using 7.2 this is the only USB device i have, so i don't have any other hardware to plug in. thanks much. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Mandrakesoft CEO defends Linux
Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:12:43 AM 1/15/01 I personally don't like this solution, but it's yet another way for Linux (and Mandrake) to gain market share (at the expense of becoming more like M$). I believe that if anyone is stupid enough not to understand the already very user-friendly Mandrake Drakx, then they shouldn't be using Linux at all. What do everyone else here think? i agree, but i will add one other thing -- i have done stupid things on my computer and killed it because i was ignorant (but i learn best by crashing my system). i willing do stupid things because i can fdisk start over. so i would change that ro read: anyone stupid enuf not to understand Drakx, or stupid enuf not to be prepaired for a total crash (back ups and install CDs), shouldn't be using Linux. for example, here were i work we just paid $250 an hour to try to extract data from a hard drive that was underwater. why? because most of it wasn't backed up, and the back ups they did have were on tape. right next to the computer. under water. a clear example of people not smart enuf to use linux. =) i'm prepaired for my computer to crash everytime i look at it.=) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] KDE or Gnome
i may as well jump in also. =) i like Enlightenment as user. not the fastest nor best for using less memory, but i'm all about the eye candy. KDE as root, as it's easier to get around... lots of tools... more "dummy proof" in my mind, and when i'm root i want to do what i need to do get out before i break something. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Mandrakesoft CEO defends Linux
opps... i mean, Hi James (wasn't trying to call you a name or something) =) my fingers sometimes i don't think they listen to my brain. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Adrian Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:47:01 PM 1/17/01 Hi Jame. i assume you are responding to the paragraph you quoted. if this is so, then Sridhar wrote that, not me (Adrian). tho i do agree with him.
Re: [newbie] Mandrakesoft CEO defends Linux
Hi Jame. i assume you are responding to the paragraph you quoted. if this is so, then Sridhar wrote that, not me (Adrian). tho i do agree with him. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Mellema [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:58:51 AM 1/17/01 Adrian Smith wrote: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:12:43 AM 1/15/01 I personally don't like this solution, but it's yet another way for Linux (and Mandrake) to gain market share (at the expense of becoming more like M$). I believe that if anyone is stupid enough not to understand the already very user-friendly Mandrake Drakx, then they shouldn't be using Linux at all. What do everyone else here think? Adrian, For egotistical reasons I am tempted to agree with you, but I think in the real world that's a poor way to look at the problems here. Everyone had to learn somehow, but just because you and I learned in the school of hard knocks doesn't mean everyone has to. There is no reason to need an advanced degree in comp sci to use a computer. If you want the computer to be a tool it has to be usable by those that need it. If you want it to be an ego trip for the cognoscenti then what you say is true. The Drake tools are very good and easy to use for those of us with more than a smattering of technical knowledge. But without better documentation they are a huge barrier for the average user. Some of the problems I see with Mandrake are trying to use the server install instead of workstation, (I wiped out 3 gigs of webpages, graphics files, and programs on ide2) probably 20 installs before I figured out a reasonable partitioning scheme, multiple development programs an libraries which just take space and are not usable for most users, multiple programs which are extraneous for the majority of users (i.e. text editors, mail programs, web tools, system monitors, and sound/video multimedia programs). I would like to see a documentation link on the splash screen as you open the installation program. Ideally it could be in pdf format and open a pdf client that would give simple steps to the installation process. This could also define terms and give examples of what is necessary for a minimum install, as well as provide warnings about terminal (as in kill your computer) problems. Some examples could be: 1) install linux prior to WIN2K, 2) do not use 'server' installation on a dual boot computer, (or one with data you would like to keep), 3) known unreconcilable hardware problems (windmodems, incompatible peripherals) 4) The steps necessary to create a dual boot machine. I did a portion of my Master's work on usability problems. Much of it based on my long, difficult, and destructive attempts at learning linux. Fortunately I have several computers and don't have to take the chance at destroying my workstation to experiment, most of the computing population doesn't have that advantage. Linux isn't easy but it will have to become easier if it is to become a standard in the business community, and amongst the computing public. Most people don't want to experiment, they would like to use their computer to surf the web, write the odd letter, track their checkbook, and keep records. There is no reason to make things difficult (or impossible) for Joe User. The past 20 years is littered with good ideas, hardware and software that didn't take that unnecessary difficulty into account -- Jim -- James Mellema, MA CRNA -- Linux User # 71650 ICQ #19685870
Re: [newbie] Mandrakesoft CEO defends Linux
quote from the artical: The week before Christmas, CNET News.com editor Todd Volz blasted most of the major commercial distributions, including Mandrakesoft, for shipping bloated product. While most of the bloat comes in the area of developer-oriented features, i.e. mulitple compilers, screen setting controls etc., Voltz viewed the business community's reluctance to slim things down for the regular user a distressing sign. quote from adrian: where is my shotgun? mandrake comes on 2 CDs with: 1 OS 10 window managers 100+ programs winsux comes on 1 CD with 1 OS bloat? where's the bloat i think someone missed the bloat. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:54:26 AM 1/10/01 http://www.upside.com/Open_Season/3a5b574d60.html -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] Linux cool keyboard???
yup yup yup, i got one also. they are pretty nice. not those yucky "soft-touch" where you don't know if you hit the key unless you are looking at the screen. also the company that makes them is suppose to be developing software to expand the use of the Tux keys. at this time, i can hit the Linux key, and under Enlightenment my menu pops up. pretty useful as i don't have to move my mouse over the desktop someplace. and the dust cover is wonderful for those of us who drink, eat smoke at the computer =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:59:19 PM 1/5/01 Hi Paul...er, as you can tell from the "grin", that was a bit of a joke. ;-) It is a Linux specific keyboard in that it has penguins in place of Windows keys, and it says "Linux Cool Keyboard" in the upper left hand corner. It also has pre-made keys so that my control key is just left of my left pinkie, instead of caps. Just the way I prefer it. ;-) PS You can do a search on Google and find various places to buy it. Average price is $34. I just love it! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [newbie] aol
this was covered in depth a while back. unless things have changed recently, you can't do it. however --- there are many AIM like programs on your linux box already also, there are some attempts out there to make AOL work under linux, but i have not been keeping up with them. do an internet search on "aol linux" and such. maybe things have advanced since we last discussed this on the list. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:01:21 PM 1/3/01 Does any body know how to get aol running under mandrake linux 7.2 , or any help / advice on how to run wine E-mail me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks :-)
Re: [newbie] really basic questions
howdy. if you have used unix for anything then you alread know 300% more than i knew when i first tried linux. remember, if you aren't root, you can't really mess up anything too much (and even if you do you can reinstall which i think installing linux is much easier than windows anyhow and i know many will disagree with me on that) but anyhowz just get on it and play. =) i'm getting pretty good with this os, and i discover new things all the time. it's fun, it's loaded with variety, it can do amazing things, and it's actually more intuitive than most people seem to think. case in point, other day i'm sitting there at an Eterm window in a directory with a wave file and i was thinking "surely linux has a way to play a wav file from a command prompt" so i just guess and typed "play music.wav" and hey, it started playing. now how hard is that? =) as has been said, there are loads of documentation right there on your machine, and don't forget to go to the library and look for linux books. as to concentrating your learning curve... i guess it all depends on what you want to do. i usually start by using a GUI program (example X CD Roast) to get something done, but then i'm also playing with the cdrecord command here and there because eventually i want to be able to do things from the command line if i want. if you system is working fine, don't worry about tuning it yet. reward yourself by playing with it having fun. the tweaking will come naturally. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:31:42 PM 12/28/00 Hi all, i have a really basic question or two to ask the group. 1. i've loaded l-m7.2 into my pc, and it looks real cool but as yet i dont have a clue what to do with it next. i think i'm suffering from hyperwinism (windoz induced inferiority complex). 2.where do i need to begin concentrating my slow learning curve to start making this work? my experience is all operator/user and some of these unix commands are familiar from my work experience, but most of that is task related. i've read a few howto's and still in the l-m installation and user guide. i've made an icon or two in kde (but the programs didnt work yet). i'm kinda overwhelmed... is this normal? or am i ungeekable? les in gastonia nc
Re: [newbie] Books about Linux
any of the O'Reily books. specifically: Linux in a Nutshell (3rd edition look out, the bookstore i went to had 2nd 3rd edition mixed on the shelf) Running Linux both of those are good for the newbie the nutshell book will be useable for a long time as it covers all the command line commands and their switches, in addition to setting up and configureing LILO, also using VI and all sorts of other stuff. in addition, these two books do not assume you are using Red Hat (as many do) and do not assume you are doing everything in KDE (as many do). they tell you how to operate from the command line primarily and toss in a few things about KDE and Gnome. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] back focus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:57:14 PM 12/24/00 Howdy folks. I figure that I'll be getting some gift certificates from the bookstore this Christmas. I am a complete newbie to linux. I installed Mandrake 7.2 this weekend, and except for a minor issue with ppp, it went on without a hitch. Now, I want to learn to use my new toy. Could any suggest some good books to learn linux with? I have a very strong windows background, but need some suggestions to learn linux. Anything you could offer would be helpful! Hoping to eventually answer, instead of ask questions, -Craig __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] WooHOOO!!!
hey Roger, that was me. glad that you are happy. nothing quite like a smooth speedy computer is there. as has been said before on this list, if you feed your pinguin good food she will be your friend. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:09:53 PM 12/19/00 To whomever it was that told me that RAM at crucial was as cheap as it is now, thanks! And thanks again! I just installed another 128 SDRAM, for a total of 192, and the difference is nothing short of astounding... Just to see what kind of a difference it made, I opened ten + programs, starting with Netscape, and every other memory pig I could think of...Program ten opened as fast as the first one...which, again. was Nutscrape, but it opened as fast as a terminal window did when I had just 64... BTW, sorry I forgot your name, but when I reinstalled a couple days ago, the emails we'd traded didn't get backed up for some reason :-/ peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
Re: [newbie] cdrom bootdisk?
that's interesting as i was thinking of the same thing. see, i have a "live CD" of Red Hat (version 3.something) which i can boot up from the CD. i know that in XCDRoast there is an option to make a CD bootable. so i was thinking that i would figure out which files directories i must have to run linux, then burn those to the CD make it bootable. in theory i can get a live file system. i expect however there might be problems with some configuration files, or the boot up or something. but i can burn those bridges when i get to them. this will be as much a learning tool for me as something actually practical useable. what would really be fun would be to add X with very general config files that would work on most any system and Enlightenment so that i could boot this up on other peoples system and show off. =) but that is another bridge even further down the road. but sure, there is no reason you can't do this. as someone said in reply to you, it's rather a waste of a CD -- so you may as well add some other stuff to it then it might become a good recovery tool or portable linux distrabution (which is what i am hoping to create). yea, then i could use linux at work oh. IS people having fits and convulstions when they see it... oh i could tell them i formatted the drive and installed Linux oh they would be foaming at the mouth oh i love it. the other Mr. Smith Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Mr. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:10:21 AM 12/20/00 I would like to know if it is possible (I am pretty sure it is) to create a bootdisk on a cd. I would like to know because I am using Mandrake, BeOS (free), and Winblows. I find the floppy slightly...slow. So I was just wondering how I could create a bootdisk to launch linux from a cd instead of the floppy I created. Thanks in advance, Mr. Smith
Re: SV: [newbie] UNSUBSCRIBE MEEEE
"Patrik Isacsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:20:59 AM 12/19/00 How do i unsubscibe to this list ?? post to the list your: full name credit card numbers with date of expiration JPG image of boy/girlfriend or husband/wife that persons name, address phone number. soon the mail from the list will not bother you any more. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition THANKS!!.
Holly said the below: BTW, for the person in the thread who had the very large swap space -- 2GB I think? I'm not deep enough into Linux to say for sure, but even in the Windoze world there was a point at which increasing swap space actually brought a negative return. I wonder if you sized that down to 128MB or less if you might actually see BETTER performance? Again, I can't say with anything vaguely resembling authority, but it does seem like things aren't configured well if you're really using up that much swap. i think she is very right about this. but don't know exactly for linux, but for win there is a point where it bites you in the butt. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition.
hey Rog, glad to point you in the right direction. i wouldn't pay $173 for 128M either. that's why i have waited so long to upgrade. and i don't normally recomend companies or products or venders, but crucial did me right, so i'll give 'em a plug now and then. prices are dropping like flies on hardware (except monitors -- oh how i drool over a 21 inch screen). i can't believe CD burners are going for $200 these days - and probably even cheaper now then on sale. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:23:34 PM 12/14/00 Adrian, you rule. I went to crucial.com about 6 months, maybe even less, ago, and 128 meg ram cost $173. I just went now, and it cost $70.16. Needless to say, I ordered on the spot...I can't freakin wait!!! :-))) peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719 On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: Roger -- i have a compaq also (and made of substandard hardware it is) get yourself over to http://www.crucial.com/index.asp that is where i got 128M for $73 (including 2nd day UPS) you search based on your computer such as in my case: compaq presario 5304 the memory you buy is guarented to work with your system or your money back. their prices were better than anyplace local -- even the "sale" prices. and naturally none of the local computer stores could even tell me exactly what ram i needed. they were all prepaired to "guess" based on what type of CPU i have. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:48:25 PM 12/14/00 Unfortunately, its a bit more expensive than that for me...I use a Compaq, and have to use their RAM. Costs about $100 more...:-( Im not really that concerned about how fast my WM opens, or the first two programs I open either...but if I have 6, or 12 opened, and then I need Kpackage open...thats where I'm hoping itll help... Anyhoo, thanks for the response! peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719 On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: ya know, truth be told, i didn't really *see* much difference. of course i have always asked the question "if your computer now opens a program 14 milliseconds faster, do you really know it?" also, i added ram just before upgrading to 7.2. so that somewhat makes it hard for me to make before/after statements. actually, in some ways my system seems slower. example: when enlightenment is starting there is a noticeable pause. before, there was no pause. however -- someone on the list a while back mentioned that they had a similar situation. resolution was that their video card / monitor parameters were not set up right, so the video wasn't as fast as it could have been, thus the computer *looked* slower than it actually was. i think i might be in that situation. so, i can't honestly say my computer is way fast now -- and it's a 250MHz also, not the fasting thing around -- but, at $73 for 128M of ram, what the heck. i duel boot windows it doesn't behave any faster either. my personal opinion, if you have the money, get at least 128M (i have 188M) but i would say no more that 256M unless you are a power user. when i did just have 60M my linux box ran just fine on that. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:15:32 PM 12/13/00 How much of a difference did you notice? I have 64 meg RAM, and am strongly considering adding 128 more...will it be worth the time and money? On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: this will shock everyone, but Tom seems to be right =) *amazed silence* actually, Tom is about 99% right but when i installed linux first i had 60M ram and made a swap of 500M (i have disk space to burn) the swap was used somewhat i recently added 128M ram, and linux hasn't touched my swap space since then. i have not seen my swap used, at all, ever since adding the 128M Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:29:46 AM 12/13/00 On Wednesday 13 December 2000 05:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals, I was wondering how to mount a new Swap partion. When I originally did my install of Mandrake I made the swap 128meg, and it should be at least double that (my physical memory is 128meg). . I suspect you've bought into the mistaken and _very outdated_ notion that swap should be 2 times ram. 128mb /swap should be more than enough with 128mb of ram. If you install another 128mb of ram, you prob'ly wouldn't even need a /swap. Ram is a far far better solution than swap, particularly with Linux. So if you have some uniquely high memory
Re: [newbie] How to make xcdroast executable for users?
hi, i haven't seen anyone respond to this yet. when i had mandrake 7.1 i downloaded the latest version of xcdroast for the site of the person who is writing it. in the readme it said that the program will not run for anyone other than root. if this is the same version in 7.2 (and i think it is, but will not bet on it -- and i have not read the readme) then that is the answer. you can not do it. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] hellmut [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:15:18 PM 12/13/00 Hi! Does anyone of you have a clue how I can make xcdroast executable for users? chmod +x user /usr/bin/xcdroast didn't work. -- , (o o) +--oOOO--(_)---+ | | |H E L L M U T | | | | www.fegefeuer-webzine.de | | | +-0OOO-+ | _ | _ | | | | | | | | | ooO Ooo
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition.
ya know, truth be told, i didn't really *see* much difference. of course i have always asked the question "if your computer now opens a program 14 milliseconds faster, do you really know it?" also, i added ram just before upgrading to 7.2. so that somewhat makes it hard for me to make before/after statements. actually, in some ways my system seems slower. example: when enlightenment is starting there is a noticeable pause. before, there was no pause. however -- someone on the list a while back mentioned that they had a similar situation. resolution was that their video card / monitor parameters were not set up right, so the video wasn't as fast as it could have been, thus the computer *looked* slower than it actually was. i think i might be in that situation. so, i can't honestly say my computer is way fast now -- and it's a 250MHz also, not the fasting thing around -- but, at $73 for 128M of ram, what the heck. i duel boot windows it doesn't behave any faster either. my personal opinion, if you have the money, get at least 128M (i have 188M) but i would say no more that 256M unless you are a power user. when i did just have 60M my linux box ran just fine on that. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:15:32 PM 12/13/00 How much of a difference did you notice? I have 64 meg RAM, and am strongly considering adding 128 more...will it be worth the time and money? On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: this will shock everyone, but Tom seems to be right =) *amazed silence* actually, Tom is about 99% right but when i installed linux first i had 60M ram and made a swap of 500M (i have disk space to burn) the swap was used somewhat i recently added 128M ram, and linux hasn't touched my swap space since then. i have not seen my swap used, at all, ever since adding the 128M Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:29:46 AM 12/13/00 On Wednesday 13 December 2000 05:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals, I was wondering how to mount a new Swap partion. When I originally did my install of Mandrake I made the swap 128meg, and it should be at least double that (my physical memory is 128meg). . I suspect you've bought into the mistaken and _very outdated_ notion that swap should be 2 times ram. 128mb /swap should be more than enough with 128mb of ram. If you install another 128mb of ram, you prob'ly wouldn't even need a /swap. Ram is a far far better solution than swap, particularly with Linux. So if you have some uniquely high memory requirements, I'd strongly suggest you add more ram than try to add or enlarge your /swap. 'Specially at today's prices ;) -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
Re: [newbie] Word Perfect 8
hey Len -- i noticed you mentioning Applix below. i installed Applix Office 5 on my 7.1 7.2 boxes with no problems and no seg faults when it runs. and the printing under 7.2/CUPS is great. i just thought i'd mention that to you -- so you know it "should" work. =) i'm no linux/applix guru, but if i can assist you anyhowz in getting it to work let me know. i haven't installed StarOffice under my 7.2 box yet, so i don't know nothing 'bout that. also don't know nothing 'bout history. don't know much about biology. don't know much about a science book. don't know much about the french i took. but i do know that linux rocks no blue screen of death, no untimely locks. what a wonderful world, my pinguin Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Len Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:11:37 AM 12/13/00 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, John Batt wrote: Is there anyone else out there having trouble getting WordPerfect 8 to install in LM 7.2. I had it working great in 7.0 but after installing 7.2 it won't install. Yes, neither the graphical install or text based install will work. It worked fine in RedHat 6.1. I also had trouble with Applix. That installs but seg faults when it is run. ??? StarOffice looks good but it is impossible to get it to print using the CUPS, via xpp or whatever. I have to reboot RH6.1 to do any word processing. Damned annoying. -- Len Lawrence[EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 West Court www.tarazed.demon.co.uk The Thistle Foundation Edinburgh EH16 4EB 0131-661 3648
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition.
this will shock everyone, but Tom seems to be right =) *amazed silence* actually, Tom is about 99% right but when i installed linux first i had 60M ram and made a swap of 500M (i have disk space to burn) the swap was used somewhat i recently added 128M ram, and linux hasn't touched my swap space since then. i have not seen my swap used, at all, ever since adding the 128M Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:29:46 AM 12/13/00 On Wednesday 13 December 2000 05:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals, I was wondering how to mount a new Swap partion. When I originally did my install of Mandrake I made the swap 128meg, and it should be at least double that (my physical memory is 128meg). . I suspect you've bought into the mistaken and _very outdated_ notion that swap should be 2 times ram. 128mb /swap should be more than enough with 128mb of ram. If you install another 128mb of ram, you prob'ly wouldn't even need a /swap. Ram is a far far better solution than swap, particularly with Linux. So if you have some uniquely high memory requirements, I'd strongly suggest you add more ram than try to add or enlarge your /swap. 'Specially at today's prices ;) -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] Spaces in names
hey Mark, someone will probably get to this reply before me, but i think it's as simple as command "file or directory with spaces" and i believe this works with many / most of the linux commands. i have had some problems with gui programs and spaces in file names and i am gradually converting my directorys over to single words, simply to make naviagating at the command line easier but i have loads of files with spaces no major issues yet. *cross fingers* Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:51:19 AM 12/13/00 Ok...since you've said I will believe it. But then how does one navigate to these dir's that have spaced names, or how would one open such a file from a command line? Every time I've ever tried this, with the exception of doing it with Wine (and even then most times it fails), I get a message telling that there isn't any such file or directory. And by the way...how long will it take for someone to know as much about Linux as you apparently know? :) -- Mark ### ## ...it's not a bug, it's a feature ## Registered Linux User # 182496 ## !-- Pine 4.31 -- # On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 civileme spake passionately saying! On Wednesday 13 December 2000 02:08, you wrote: Wait...I thought spaces "were/are" illegal in *nix? Mark Apparently Corel shares your thought. It is the same for the *.wpd files--no spaces allowad. But I DO have directories and filenames with spaces, and they work OK. It is easy to create or handle them from the GUI, but from a command line touch mark\ a\ blank #will make a file with blanks in the filename rm mark\ a\ blank will remove it Civileme On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:25:28 +0100 (CET), Paul said: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, John Rye wrote: I would have thought that a space was an undesirable if not illegal character in a filename let alone a directory name. Is this not the case? If it were illegal, I think that someone would have made a program alteration that would prevent you from putting a space in a directory name. I agree though, that it is undesirable. Paul -- To do is to be - Sartre To be is to do - Spinoza Do be do be do - Sinatra http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition.
hey Chris -- i didn't do anything. just added the memory. i don't have a clue how to (if you even can) tell linux to use or not use the swap. i monitor my swap and ram use, and i have not seen any swap used since i went to 188M ram. a 2G swap that is 100% used wow, that sounds really strange to me. somehow that just don't sound right at all. and i should mention i use GIMP to manipulate images and such, which is memory intense as you probably know. even with that, i use no swap. i just trust that linux knows how to use the ram swap i have provided, so i don't know a thing about tweaking the useage. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:43:13 PM 12/13/00 Adrian Smith wrote: i recently added 128M ram, and linux hasn't touched my swap space since then. i have not seen my swap used, at all, ever since adding the 128M How'd you get it to not use the swap?... I have 128MB of RAM also, and a 2GB (yes, 2 gig) swap partition that is always 100% used. Even with the 128MB, I never have more than 6 or 7MB of memory free. - chris
Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition.
hey Chris -- i had an idea (which don't happen often) you could tell linux not to use the swap by eliminating the swap partition. tho i don't know if linux *has* to have a swap. one of the gurus might be able to answer that for us. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Joseph Red" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:00:44 PM 12/13/00 How in the world are you using all 2g swap??? As for physical RAM. When I had 128m, I usually had ~10m free, and used no swap (according to top). Now I have 256m I would have to try hard to get it to use the swap. Joseph Red [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Making a new SWAP partition. Adrian Smith wrote: i recently added 128M ram, and linux hasn't touched my swap space since then. i have not seen my swap used, at all, ever since adding the 128M How'd you get it to not use the swap?... I have 128MB of RAM also, and a 2GB (yes, 2 gig) swap partition that is always 100% used. Even with the 128MB, I never have more than 6 or 7MB of memory free. - chris
[newbie] X config file -- anything look wrong here??
SiS 620" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Driver "sis" # Clock lines # Uncomment following option if you see a big white block # instead of the cursor! #Option "sw_cursor" Option "DPMS" EndSection # ** # Screen sections # ** Section "Screen" Identifier "screen1" Device "SiS 620" Monitor "" DefaultColorDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "layout1" Screen "screen1" InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] GIMP
that is odd... i use GIMP darn near daily, and it certainly will save files. both save save as are on my menu. if you right click on an image, then go to the file section, you should see save save as. if you don't. hmmm. could you have a "bad" or "corrupt" install? Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mickey Soltys [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:44:22 PM 12/13/00 I have been messing around with the version of GIMP which came with Mandrake-Linux7.2 . It appears as if there is no way to save files. When you select FILE from the menu, there is no save or save as option. Has anyone else noticed this? Thanks and apologies if this is a common question, Mickey Soltys
Re: [newbie] Spaces in names
exactly. this is what i have read. i have only used it a few times myself, such as cd "all of my writing" to change to my directory called 'all of my writing' as i mentioned, i'm renaming my directories so it's easier to navagate, but as to file names... not really. to many of those. so i believe that something such as gimp "picture of cute girl.jpg" would also work can't say i have actually tried this however. but it seems that i read someplace that this works with most command line funtions in linux. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:48:14 PM 12/13/00 Adrian, So what you're saying is to enclose the file or dir name in double quotes? -- Mark ### ## ...it's not a bug, it's a feature ## Registered Linux User # 182496 ## !-- Pine 4.31 -- # On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 Adrian Smith spake passionately saying! hey Mark, someone will probably get to this reply before me, but i think it's as simple as command "file or directory with spaces" and i believe this works with many / most of the linux commands. i have had some problems with gui programs and spaces in file names and i am gradually converting my directorys over to single words, simply to make naviagating at the command line easier but i have loads of files with spaces no major issues yet. *cross fingers* Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5:51:19 AM 12/13/00 Ok...since you've said I will believe it. But then how does one navigate to these dir's that have spaced names, or how would one open such a file from a command line? Every time I've ever tried this, with the exception of doing it with Wine (and even then most times it fails), I get a message telling that there isn't any such file or directory. And by the way...how long will it take for someone to know as much about Linux as you apparently know? :)
Re: [newbie] Uninstall of MDK
maybe you just need a new job? =) i had an friend who was in IT with the same problem. he spent all night setting up a linux box at work. his supervisor came in the next day and said (and i quote) "nice linux machine. get rid of it." i assume you have to go back to windows? why not just boot with the win CD and do an fdisk start over? or do you have a duel boot? i would think you could use a linux boot disk linux fdisk to simply change all the ext2 partitions to fat32, then format them. would that work? then of course a win/dos boot disk to run fdisk /mbr Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:01:35 AM 12/12/00 Hey all, I have a question. I need to know how to perform a clean uninstall of Linux. Now, before you guys jump all over me, listen to my reason. This is not my choice. I have 7.1 installed at work and the Network admin. found out and he, being the wonderful person that he is, told me to remove it. He gave me till the end of the week. Nice, huh? Anyway, I need your help. Thanks in advance, Chris Kelly Registered Linux user 185775
[newbie] 7.2 -- XFree -- is my monitor going to blow up?
hi Paul -- thanks for responding. i checked my config file and it contains ViewPort 0 0 already. does this mean i should try changing those settings? or would my problem be something else? thanks yet again=) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:39:34 AM 12/7/00 On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: but the question -- i don't quite know if i can describe this so you will understand, but i will try. =) the very left edge of my monitor (as i'm looking at it) is displaying a very thin slice of whatever is actually about 3-4 inches from the left edge of the screen. thus if i move a window to the very edge, that slice of it will disappear under the display of whatever is 3-4 inches over. hmmm... is that english? i have everything shut down now, but do y'all think this might cause actual damage? Hi Adrian, It looks as if, in XF86Config-4 the viewport of your desktop is virtual. Meaning that it is larger than the physical screen. That causes the strange scrolling behaviour. My XF86Config-4 (the config for Xfree 4) says: Section "Screen" Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Viewport in your file would be larger than the physical screen. Set that to 0 0 and try again (just restart X) And no, this behaviour won't damage your computer. Actually I know people who set that up, and want it! To find out the version of X you run XFree86 -version: [root@internet X11]# XFree86 -version XFree86 Version 4.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 1 July 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Good luck! Paul -- You will be reincarnated as a toad. And you will be much happier. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] Will RedHat RPM's work with Mandrake?
hi Michael; i'm still learning linux, but from what i understand Mandrake is based on the Red Hat system and that most red hat rpms will work for mandrake. however, it has also been said on this list that it is best to use mandrake rpms when you can. so i would suggest look for the mandrake version first. if you can only find the red hat version, then simply do a test install, checking for dependanceies and all that stuff. if you get no errors from the test then that would lead me to believe it will work fine. if i'm wrong about anything here hopefully someone will let us both know. =) have a better one Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:36:25 PM 12/12/00 I'm starting to learn PHP3 and Postgres and the book I just got has a CD in it that says it has everything I need to install PHP and postgres under RedHat Linux. Since I am using Mandrake 7.1, I was wondering if this will work? The Mandrake website says I can use RedHat RPM's, but I just wanted to check. TIA, Michael -- Michael Lewis Exasource Inc. Phone: 970-206-4556 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] 7.2 -- XFree -- is my monitor going to blow up?
hi Paul -- thanks for responding. i checked my config file and it contains ViewPort 0 0 already. does this mean i should try changing those settings? or would my problem be something else? thanks yet again=) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:39:34 AM 12/7/00 On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: but the question -- i don't quite know if i can describe this so you will understand, but i will try. =) the very left edge of my monitor (as i'm looking at it) is displaying a very thin slice of whatever is actually about 3-4 inches from the left edge of the screen. thus if i move a window to the very edge, that slice of it will disappear under the display of whatever is 3-4 inches over. hmmm... is that english? i have everything shut down now, but do y'all think this might cause actual damage? Hi Adrian, It looks as if, in XF86Config-4 the viewport of your desktop is virtual. Meaning that it is larger than the physical screen. That causes the strange scrolling behaviour. My XF86Config-4 (the config for Xfree 4) says: Section "Screen" Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Viewport in your file would be larger than the physical screen. Set that to 0 0 and try again (just restart X) And no, this behaviour won't damage your computer. Actually I know people who set that up, and want it! To find out the version of X you run XFree86 -version: [root@internet X11]# XFree86 -version XFree86 Version 4.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 1 July 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Good luck! Paul -- You will be reincarnated as a toad. And you will be much happier. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] configuring login screen
hi Tom -- you say this is a pre 2.1 bug? but this worked with the KDE that came with 7.1. i had changed the login background before. i played with it some more last night it does seem to simply not work. =( oh well, life goes on i expect. so do you know if there is another way to change the login background? is there a configuration file for this? thanks much. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:36:55 AM 12/7/00 On Thursday 07 December 2000 08:53 am, Adrian Smith wrote: another thing not working under 7.2 *sigh* login as root using KDE go to the configuration utility then the logon section i can change which icons appear in the logon box i can change the fonts which are used in the logon box all those save work fine. however, i can not change the background. IIRC, this is a KDE bug that even as of pre2.1 hasn't been fixed yet, but the KDE developers are workin on it. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] Upgrading 7.1 to 7.2
hi there. i just upgraded 7.1 to 7.2 and asked the same question as you on this list. the consensus seems to be that it is better to do a fresh install of 7.2, not an upgrade. there do seem to be quite a few differences between the two. 7.2 does of course have the "upgrade" option in the install program. but i was warned this could cause lots of headache. do you have a seperate /home partition? if not, i suggest you create one now. having /home (and in my case /backup and /home/user/work) on seperate partitions is great. when i did the fresh install my software found the preferences from 7.1 and i didn't have to reconfigure anything. that was 10 out of 10 for coolness. so -- yes, you can upgrade -- but a fresh install seems to be the better option. i did have some problems with my install, and yes i am a bit agitated=) but in all fairness my system is working, all hardware works (save the winmodem of course) and all the little bugs are things i can sort out with some work. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nemeth Lorant [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:59:57 AM 12/8/00 Hi! I tried to upgrade my Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1 when 7.1 was released. Well, the upgrade wasn't successfull, so I dicided to reinstall the whole system. Now I would like to upgrade 7.1 to 7.2 and I would like to know if it is possible somehow (I mean the system will be useable after the upgrade)? Bye! Loci
Re: Re: [newbie] InstallShield
hey Mark Groovyness. Glad it didn't turn into total disaster. on the subject of hardware -- since going with linux i've been learning more about hardware. i wasn't really keep up with that side of things. when i bought the compaq box i have now i had no idea there was such a thing as a "winmodem". when i found out just what i had occupying space on com1 i was just stunned. good thing i found out about 'winprinters' before i dropped some cash on that. me thinks low quality hardware is probably the source of much pain in the linux community. even to a newbie like me linux seems pretty easy to get along with if it has a nice home. laterz Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:12:32 PM 12/7/00 Hi Adrian, I found a pleasant surprise when I started loading Linux back onto my workstation today. I had 7.2 running briefly, but because the hardware on that computer is SO incompatible with Mandrake 7.2 a LOT of things were either broken or would not work at all no matter what. As I was looking around a hard drive that I was sure was wiped out, Lo and behold ALL my data files and EVERYTHING that was on the /home partition was still there. I lost literally everything on the windows side of the hard drive, but all my data on the linux side survived. :) that was a VERY pleasant sight for my very sore eyes indeed! At present I am busily re-installing Mandrake 7.1 back onto this workstation. Had that one on there before running very well, except for Star Office, but all in all Mdk 7.1 works well on this machine. It appears that most of the troubles I've had at least not withstanding the mess that the installer caused yesterday, are hardware related due to the fact that the now defunct Quantex company used very low standard quality hardware in their PC's, that is almost so bad that I barely got Windows installed and running this morning. From: "Adrian Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:05:23 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] InstallShield hey Mark -- sorry to hear you had such a nasty turn of events. i rather wonder about this also. when i installed 7.0 everything worked great. when i installed 7.1 i had no printer and a persistent "failed" message on shut down. installed 7.2 yesterday -- 3 fail messages on start up 4 fail messages on shut down LILO no work over 1024 cylinder number lock goes off when X starts i told the install program where to mount each partiton -- some of them it did exactly what i asked it to do, some others it put where it wanted them ? i told X a resolution of 1024x768 (or whatever it is like i remember) but i got a resolution of 800x600 when i actually started up X i created a user account when installing yet when i booted the system first time, there were no user accounts, only root. had to boot into the console only mode - when i tried to use 'shutdown' to shutdown (duh) the system locked up i had to power off. finally, all the files on my /home had a different owner once i got my user account created, so i gotta run around 3 partitions (/home /backup /home/skippi/work) and do a chown. the 7.2 install does seem to be a very bad animal. of course, my problems are not near the level of yours. i agree with the "don't fix what ain't broken thing" and i learned that yet again when i upgraded windows direct x 7 to direct x 8. now half my games don't work. oh well, i wanted to spend all weekend fixing my computer anyhow. =) i don't mind your venting. who knows, 7.0 may find it's way back to my computer if i can't fix all this stuff. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:35:54 PM 12/6/00 Geez! I wish I would-a had one of those fancy install thing-a-ma-bobs this afternoon when an install attempt of Mandrake 7.2 wiped out my entire friggin workstation! Who's the nit wit responsible for so drastically changing the install program and process? When, during the first install, a few too many errors cause major problems with running the system after a rebooted, I restarted the install process. Sadly I didn't recognize what was happening till it was too late. The installation program, on it's own started an auto-install and in under 5 seconds wiped my entire workstations hard drive. 10 friggin GB's of data...GONE! Never before in my life have a ever seen a program behave in such a severely BAD manner. It didn't ask me what I wanted; I, of course wanted to do an expert install where I have total control of everything that goes on. There's a certain way I want the OS installed for certain reasons. In a nut shell when I booted the system with the floppy that I used to boot the system the first time which went off without a hitch, the rotten bastard went straight into an auto-install. Mandrake, when you can make a mess of an experienced users mac
[newbie] scsi emulation
internet searches are just not turning up much today =( can anyone tell me how to set up my IDE cd drive for scsi emulation so that i can use it along with my scsi cd burner in xcdroast? or tell me where i might find such instruction on the web? i have be looking thru the howto documents, but not finding it. it might be hiding in plain sight. thanks much. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] 7.2 -- XFree -- is my monitor going to blow up?
greetings all.
just installed 7.2 yesterday. the jury is still out but it mostly seems to be
working. my printer works at last tho, happy 'bout that.
but the question -- i don't quite know if i can describe this so you will understand,
but i will try. =) the very left edge of my monitor (as i'm looking at it) is
displaying a very thin slice of whatever is actually about 3-4 inches from the left
edge of the screen. thus if i move a window to the very edge, that slice of it will
disappear under the display of whatever is 3-4 inches over. hmmm... is that english?
i have everything shut down now, but do y'all think this might cause actual damage?
i had no problems under X3.x. i think i'm using X4 now --("think" they all ask, while
installing i went for 4, it installed, but didn't work out. it kicked me back and i
went for 3, it also installed (so both of them are on the system) and looked ok. when
i type check with the -version switch from a terminal it says version 4, but how do i
know for sure which version is actually running?
i have been thru numereous attempts at reconfiguring both monitor video card, so far
i can't get rid of this strange effect. i'll have to plug at it some more.
so the main thing is how do i check my running vesion of X.
thanks much
Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
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Re: [newbie] GRUB eats LILO
ah, i see grasshopper. my computer is at least 2 years old i would say -- maybe closer to 3. i didn't know there was any BIOS related stuff. that will probably explain it then. thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cody Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:48:22 AM 12/7/00 The 1024 cylinder limitation shouldn't be a problem if you're using Lilo 0.21.4.2 and your BIOS supports EDD packet call extensions. If your motherboard is a few years old, it probably won't support EDD and then you'd still get that message. Cody Adrian Smith wrote: when installing 7.2 yesterday, i was going to try LILO instead of GRUB. however, LILO would not install due to 1024 cylinder limitation. i thought that boundry was eliminated. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list
R Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:50:06 PM 12/4/00 On Mon, 04 Dec 2000, you wrote: your boyfriends / girlfriends phone number and address and a JPG image of that person. Not too picky, are ya? *grin* *hahaha* well, actually i'm very picky, but there are lots of linux users on the list, and lots of different prefferances. i say let's give everyone a chance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] OT network question for any administrator types OT
greetings all. i must once again ask for the collective wisdom of the group on a subject. where i work we have a network (duh) mostly win95 with novell (don't know the version) and there are a few red hat linux servers. each person has a logon name password of course. my question is this -- would there, someplace, be a record of when a person logs on (determined by the use of logon name password) and which computer they log on at? probably by IP address? thank you for educating me, yet again =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] KDE 2.0 Themes and Sound
hey Marcia -- i am not completely up on the histroy of this thread, as i don't use KDE much i was not paying attention =) but i seem to remember someone said the KDE 1.x themes do not work at all with KDE 2 unless you "convert" them over, and there was something in KDE 2 that would do this but that is all i recall. sorry -- but does that help you out any? Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:12:38 AM 12/5/00 Dear All, I just asked about the theme manager, also, but so far no one has answered. I , too, loved the way the thememanager worked in 7.0. I am disappointed about the absence of it in 7.2. Was this an oversight? Mike, how exactly did you install the themes you wanted? I am a newbie and need to know every step in detail if someone would be willing to help me here. Is there a way we can inform Linux-Mandrake of this thememanager problem? I do remember they were asking for suggestions for awhile. I guess I will just go and check their website again. Thanks for your help. Marcia
Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list
actually, there were some changes made over the weekend. from now on the procedure for "getting off" this mailing list is as follows: submit and email with the the following information your full name number and experation date of all your credit cards your boyfriends / girlfriends phone number and address and a JPG image of that person. within 5 days you will not be concerned with mail from this list any more. unlike other methods, this is certain to work. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Dickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:19:51 PM 12/3/00 Which sounds vaguely like "how to become a registered linux user" :-) -JD- On Sunday 03 December 2000 10:32, you wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: I liked choice number two... ;) I toyed with the idea of telling him to send each member of this list a buck, and we'd take care of it for him ;-)
Re: [newbie] WINE with Office 97
howdy first off -- i'm a newbie also, you better seek advice from The Masters on using WINE. i'm starting to learn my way around Linux but WINE is still foreign to me. also, as i thought about it, i think i was wrong about having to have windows on your box to use wine. i have Corel Photo for Linux, which uses WINE, and i installed it everything under Linux, so i think i might be totally wrong about that. as i say, you must wait for The Masters to read your post comment =) also you could check out their internet site for documentation. it's winehq.com i think if that is not it try an internet search. second -- for no reason should you ever install windows on a computer unless you are planning to throw it in the trash. =) third -- how 'bout just use something else? i don't know exactly why you need office 97, but there are linux alternatives. there are a number of spreadsheet programs and there is StarOffice (which i don't like much, but it works) and there is ApplixOffice (which cost money but is somewhat better than StarOffice in my opinion). so if you don't mind me asking -- tell us why you need office 97 someone on the list may be able to give you a better option. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SKLIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:00:12 PM 11/23/00 Hi Adrian I have not install windows at my Linux BOX. Should install it ? Can you provided me a step by step guide line because I am new. THANK YOU Best Regards, SKLIM - Original Message - From: Adrian Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] WINE with Office 97 i could be wrong (yea right *haha*) but i think you have to install Office on a windoze drive, under windoze. WINE simply lets you run a Win program under Linux. but serious... i think that's it, but i really could be wrong =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] LinCity - The Game
hi, this has no chance of helping you =) sorry but what is LinCity? and where did you find it? thanks hope you get it running Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:07:55 PM 11/24/00 I was messing around and I read about LinCity. Being an avid SIM fan I had to find it and download it. Well, Im stuck. Im using Mandrake 7.1 and when I try to "make xlincity" it says: [root@localhost lincity-1.11]# gmake xlincity gcc -c main.cxx -o xmain.o -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Winline -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/loc al/lib/lincity\" -DLC_X11 main.cxx: In function `void do_save_city()': main.cxx:693: implicit declaration of function `int strcat(...)' main.cxx: In function `void load_city_raw(char *)': main.cxx:1171: implicit declaration of function `int strncmp(...)' main.cxx: In function `void draw_save_dir(int)': main.cxx:1637: implicit declaration of function `int strncpy(...)' main.cxx:1640: implicit declaration of function `int strncat(...)' gmake: *** [xmain.o] Error 1 I used the files that I downloaded right off the net. What am I doing wrong? Your Linux Buddy, ~Lance
Re: [newbie] Enlightenment pager problem
i did this too... but don't remember exactly how i fixed it... um, (and not at my linux system now)... when you right click on the pager can you get a menu which would allow you to change things? Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham E Mandac Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:10:04 PM 11/23/00 Enlightenment users: I took the borders off the Enlightenment pager and now I want it back. Couldn't find a means to do it, though. Anyone know how it can be done, via some GUI menu or by editing some configuration file? Thanks. Abraham E Mandac Jr
Re: [newbie] HD Partition question
hi Jacqueline; how comfortable are you with messing with your computer? i can tell you one way to do this, tho there might be easer ways. 1st -- have you backed up your windows system (or have the CDs to reinstall) on the off chance you kill windows? =) but yes, you can put linux on your E drive, leave win on your C duel boot, not a problem. i would use the expert install. when it gets to the point where you have to select the partitions to mount the file system it will open diskdrake which will show your drive and you will see 2 fat partitions. select the "E" partition (make darn sure you select the right one -- look at the size of each one) then you can change the type of drive -- it will be fat32, you want to change it to ext2 -- then you can format that drive -- then you can tell the install program to mount your file system there. from diskdrake you can also break that partition into smaller partitions if you want to mount linux on seperate partitions. diskdrake is pretty straight forward (i figured it out) just be sure you read everything carefully before you click on anything =) i hope this makes sense helps you out Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jacqueline Michell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:32:27 PM 11/24/00 I*m very sorry if this is a dumb question. I bought Linux-Mandrake 7.2 (powerpack deluxe) and need some advice on partitions before I install. I have no experience with Linux and find the installation manual unclear on this point. I have also searched the newbie archives. My 15G HD now has two partitions: 7.14G (C:) Windows and Windows applications that are already installed--AND--7.13G (E:) reserved for Linux--not yet installed. (I need to be able to dual-boot to either Windows or Linux.) My questions: 1. Is there a way to insure that Linux is installed on the E:\drive? If so, is this choice made in the Recommended, Customized, or Expert class of installation? 2. Or---do I need to remove the E: partition and let Linux make it*s own partitions? If so, can one make sure that both OS have about equal HD space? Any help will be greatly appreciated . . . Jacqueline Michell
Re: [newbie] Two Questions for thought
i can't say much about the printer problem, mine doesn't work either =) as to the sound i think you have to use sndconfig. i don't think there is any other way. also make sure your window manager isn't involved. i have seen some situations on this list where it was simply that the volume was turnned down in KDE and in my case, i use Enlightenment, and i had no sound until i ran esd. so run sndconfig -- and they say you should not do it under X and i think you have to be root. i don't remember now as i did mine so long ago =) hope that helps Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:09:35 PM 11/24/00 I have two problems that need addressing. The first one: I have a SoundBlaster 16PCI Sound Card that I can't get configured properly, therefore no sound. What is the easiest and most effective way to configure it for sound. Please leave no path unexplored. The second one: I bought a HP 648C Deskjet printer and I can't get that mofo working as well! I already tried the DrakeConf Printer setup to no avail. What are my options to set up my printer. It is a hassle to type out papers and have to get up early and go to class to print them out. Not to mention the problems that I have transferring the StarOffice format to .doc on occasions, i.e. text formatting, widows and orphans, etc.. I would greatly appreciate any help you can give me. I already know about sndconfig and printtool, but didn't use them yet. Are they more effective than other ways, or are other ways better? -- Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] partition info destruction
t a drive? best case, i think your data may still be there on the drive, physically there... but the partition table is gone. can it be repaired? i'm not too sure. wish i had better news for you but there are lots of other folks here who are up on windows, so don't give up hope quite yet. again, my best idea right now -- use diskdrake to see what it says. if you have a big white chunck that says "free space" i bet that use to be your windows partition. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:34:31 AM 11/24/00 Ok, this is what happened... I was running Windows, and bought Linux-Mandrake 7.2. I installed it with the custom option, as i had already installed 7.1 a couple of times. when it got to the point to decide how to install it on my harddrive, i chose the option "install to free space on Windows", which i thought would create the necessary partitions, and 'steal' the space from windows. Beforehand i had defragmented windows. when i clicked into the "install to free space on Windows" option, the system froze.(AI could move the mouse, but the system would not respond to the mouse or the keyboard navigation of the options... I proceeded to press ctrlaltdel. the system rebooted, but instead of booting normally it asked for me to enter the location of my command.com file, i entred c:\windows\command.com but to no avail. When i booted with my win 98 boot disc it told me that it had not found a valid FAT16 or FAT32 partition on my drive, and that i should use fdisk to make one. i used fdisk and it told me that there was the windows partition (i could tell because of the size), but that it was a non-DOS partition. I tried using norton disc doctor, but that didn't help because it could not see a drive to examine... I desperately need help, because i've got important stuff on the windows partition... I started Lnx-mdk 7.2 setup again, just to see what the partitions looked like etc. but the 'only' option of how to install was to use all the space (ie. no option to use the space that was not being used by windows - win does not use all the space on my harddrive; the rest is empty) I know this is not exactly a linux question, but my guess is that some of you will also know something about windows. Thanx a lot... creaktop -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] word processors and my Applix review at last
are you stupid? what does accessing the net have to do with using a word processor? you must be young. if you wish to engage in flame war email me privately do not waste bandwidth. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug McGarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4:22:29 PM 11/24/00 At 14:00 11/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: /snip/ i have just recently tried out ApplixOffice and posted a brief review and some screen shots on my web site. Applix claims (i can't really say for sure it is or isn't) a Linux native program, not something ported. i found it mostly useable... a few odd things notes for the wish list, but so far it is the best of what i have seen. the review is at: http://ontheflyphotography.1stcyberhost.com/linux04.htm later dayz.. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /snip/ lotsa quote Yes, I am sending this from W98/Eudora, but I CAN ACCESS the net from Linux. And do. I wonder whether a review from someone who, by his own admission (in the review), cannot access the Internet from Linux is worth much. I have my own troubles with linux, and I would not presume to present a review of serious software unless I had full control of the system on which it runs. (To the extent that the system allows control, of course.) It would be like me running a review of some program on a MAC, a machine I dislike because of its "I know better than you" attitude, like Windows. I know nothing about actually working on the MAC. You seem to know fairly little of actually working in LINUX. I would suggest that you save your reviews until you are competent in the environment, and then I will welcome them. --dm
Re: [newbie] WINE with Office 97
i could be wrong (yea right *haha*) but i think you have to install Office on a windoze drive, under windoze. WINE simply lets you run a Win program under Linux. but serious... i think that's it, but i really could be wrong =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] word processors and my Applix review at last
*haha* i agree with you on this one. i'm a writer a good word processor is pretty important to me. so far this has been my only disappointment with the world of Linux. i also agree with your assesments below. you i are probably the only 2 people here who don't have a shrine in the honor of StarOffice. (that's a joke, for those of you who need to be told so) i mean SO is ok, considering it's free. but is that really saying much? granted, Linux is "free" and it rocks, but just because it's free doesn't make it good, any more than paying money for it makes it good. i have just recently tried out ApplixOffice and posted a brief review and some screen shots on my web site. Applix claims (i can't really say for sure it is or isn't) a Linux native program, not something ported. i found it mostly useable... a few odd things notes for the wish list, but so far it is the best of what i have seen. the review is at: http://ontheflyphotography.1stcyberhost.com/linux04.htm later dayz.. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "pablito" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:17:52 PM 11/23/00 Of course I meant REAL word processors and the LINUX crowd, not these commercial enterprises trying to hurriedly port their wares to Linux. Kword would qualify as a Real word processor from the Linux crowd if it would save in some of the normal wp formats and if a few bugs were straightened out. I really like Kword. But that's kind of new, isn't it? oh well, maybe in a few more months. WP8 was a semi-commercial program and absolutely stinkingly pukingly awful, still using the ancient PTR files from WP5.1 days with those hard-coded font selections. I remember hand-editing those in Dos to try to get WP5.1 to use downloadable fonts. think it was just a quick and dirty thing Corel put out. I guess that's why they switched their stategy to Wine. Star Office is a big disappointment and is not the Linux crowd, as far as I'm concerned. Again, it's the hard coded font selections, unless there is some way to install more fonts. That kind of spoils a wp for me, since I think times is too narrow and hard to read. AbiWord: Not as nice as Kword and still those hard coded fonts. Most of the Linux text editors aren't particular about fonts. What libraries are these guys using? Klyx: I haven't tried that. That's the graphical front end to tetex, right? Okay I'll take a look at that, but tetex sounded like a real ancient thing from pre-X days. Applixware: I heard of that, not Maxwell. - Original Message - From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [newbie]winblows interface : On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, pablito wrote: : : Still using windows unfortunately. need to figure out how to configure Wine, : and spend some money on hard disks and more software. Why is it that the : linux crowd loves to program all kinds of graphics stuff but gets bored with : creating something basic like a word processor? : : Like Wordperfect 8 for linux, indeed. Or abiword for linux. Or Kword for : Linux. Or Klyx. Or Maxwell. Or StarOffice. Or Applixware I agree... not : really... : : Paul : -- : Babies are nature's way to show the world to people. : At 2 in the morning. : : http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 : Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30 : : :
[newbie] upgrade question
ok, as i get ready to order some 7.2 disk another question comes to mind. i've decided to go ahead with a fresh install. i have the following partitions / /home /usr /var /swap of course i do not format /home -- but i do tell the install program to mount /home on that partition right? *duh* i do format / and /usr correct? then reinstall everything that i put on that is not part of mandrake (and the theory is my settings are contained on /home so will still be there) right? it can't hurt to format /swap but what about /var? i don't have any email or anything there that i need to keep, so i could format that also right? but if i do have things there in the future that i need to keep then i can just tell the install program to mount /var on that partition and it will all be groovy, yes? thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] Enlightenment / sound question
for anyone here using Enlightenment my sound card is working -- if i start a KDE session it works fine but under E i get nothing. i found out that some E themes don't support sound. I am using Absolute E, and have tried some of the other themes. same result. when i try to turn on the sound i get the message: audio was enabled for E but there was an error communicating with the audio server (Esound). audio will now be disabled. i searched my computer for a file called Esound but didn't find anything. am i missing a program or library? thanks Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
