CSHydrogen Peroxide Use to make fine-particle Ag sol
Hi folk, Thanks to all for the great serrapeptase info. I'll bet there are a few of producers in the world, and a zillion brands. ~ Is there a technical paper---or mail collection---available that describes what has been observed to occur when H2O2 is added to a 10 mg/l; 1/2 to 10 nm sol? Ode recommends six drops per Quart, or enough to clear. I am now using Bruce Marx's Max system; 9 electrodes, 170 V pulsed. I just noticed that I am getting no Tyndall with a red (looks like about 660 to me) laser..The sol is very light gold after a few days, and may turn darker over time. Any comments, explanations, suggestions will be appreciated. Jim
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
There is another BIG difference. I think I read some time back that the surface area of the lungs is something like that of a football field. The back of the throat is maybe 10 square inches. Also the back of the throat is continually washed with every swallow. Now if you have a substance that is released into the blood stream as a toxic substance in the lungs when broken down by H2O2, a heck of a lot of it can be released from that much surface area, but almost none from a washed 10 square inches. Mind you that the body makes and uses H2O2 in the lungs to clear them of organic material. But the body is intelligent and only uses minute amounts of it, so no more is released into the blood stream at one time than it can deal with. That is especially true of things like tobacco tar. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: A bit of foam in the back of the throat won't kill you like a bit of foam deep down in the lungs. The difference is penetration..depth. Ode At 07:37 AM 8/28/2010 -0400, you wrote: Mike Thank you so much for sending the link. I have never been a smoker but my husband was a heavy smoker for many years so I may have 2nd hand smoke. He has been smoke free for about 30 years now. I don't see much difference from spraying hydrogen peroxide down the back of the throat and nebulizing which is why I asked. I wanted to use hydrogen peroxide in the horse nebulizer on a young horse we have that has had numerous snots/colds but think maybe I will put that on the back burner. I think I will stick with the DMSO and CS. We used strait CS and it didn't make things better. I try to apply the alternative to both ourselves and our animals. CS is a major staple in our household. Dianne From: mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:32 -0500 Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Thank you Mr Bradley for another great post. I plan to try the garden application. Kathryn On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Brooks Bradley wrote: Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
A bit of foam in the back of the throat won't kill you like a bit of foam deep down in the lungs. The difference is penetration..depth. Ode At 07:37 AM 8/28/2010 -0400, you wrote: Mike Thank you so much for sending the link. I have never been a smoker but my husband was a heavy smoker for many years so I may have 2nd hand smoke. He has been smoke free for about 30 years now. I don't see much difference from spraying hydrogen peroxide down the back of the throat and nebulizing which is why I asked. I wanted to use hydrogen peroxide in the horse nebulizer on a young horse we have that has had numerous snots/colds but think maybe I will put that on the back burner. I think I will stick with the DMSO and CS. We used strait CS and it didn't make things better. I try to apply the alternative to both ourselves and our animals. CS is a major staple in our household. Dianne From: mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:32 -0500 Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Mike Thank you so much for sending the link. I have never been a smoker but my husband was a heavy smoker for many years so I may have 2nd hand smoke. He has been smoke free for about 30 years now. I don't see much difference from spraying hydrogen peroxide down the back of the throat and nebulizing which is why I asked. I wanted to use hydrogen peroxide in the horse nebulizer on a young horse we have that has had numerous snots/colds but think maybe I will put that on the back burner. I think I will stick with the DMSO and CS. We used strait CS and it didn't make things better. I try to apply the alternative to both ourselves and our animals. CS is a major staple in our household. Dianne From: mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:32 -0500 Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Before finding CS I had a real problem with my gums and having my teeth cleaned often ended up in a full blown gum infection. One of my hygienists gave me a product called peroxyl which I later found out was basically peroxide with peppermint oil so I started using peroxide instead. Although it cut down on the post-cleaning infections it always hurt my gums. I recently found out that full-strength will burn mucus membranes and should be cut 50/50 with water (now I would use CS if needed). I mention this because I would imagine straight peroxide would do the same thing to the lung tissue... unless that is what you are using to clean out the 'gunk' that might be collecting in them. I would love some comments so I can better understand what is going on. PT - Original Message - From: Dianne France To: silver-list Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:37 AM Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Mike Thank you so much for sending the link. I have never been a smoker but my husband was a heavy smoker for many years so I may have 2nd hand smoke. He has been smoke free for about 30 years now. I don't see much difference from spraying hydrogen peroxide down the back of the throat and nebulizing which is why I asked. I wanted to use hydrogen peroxide in the horse nebulizer on a young horse we have that has had numerous snots/colds but think maybe I will put that on the back burner. I think I will stick with the DMSO and CS. We used strait CS and it didn't make things better. I try to apply the alternative to both ourselves and our animals. CS is a major staple in our household. Dianne From: mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:32 -0500 Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Having just read Mr. Eaton's post I am thinking that where you live could also affect the outcome. I would imagine living in a highly industrialized area could create toxic lungs whether or not a person smoked. So one might want to consider this also. I would like to reiterate an earlier post's question, What is the difference between a nebulizer and the sprayer that Bill Munro improvised... if there is one? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Yes, it is. Though... most likely a silver hydroxide particle or crystal structure. Note how few there are per volume of water, being consistent with 85 to 97% ionic Note also the photo made with a TEMof dried oxidized ions being *called* particles. Those were never in the water. Note how densely packed they are, consistent with ~90% ionic. Somewhere out of the TEMs field of view you might find a big glob that would have been an actual particle in the water, but you might have to look a long time to find one. Imagine trying to find an ant on an acre of fine sand using a magnifying glass. That would be a picture of a black blob, surrounded by nothing...not very interesting. Crystals generally form around a nucleus, some foreign object. [It is, in fact, very hard to freeze extremely pure water...it just doesn't want to crystalize ] Imagine that the nucleating object is a silver oxide particle and what H2O2 does to silver oxide on your black electrode or the brown/golden stuff stuck to the glass when yellow CS/EIS is stored for a long time. Zap that nucleus and what you have left is the fractal arms of the crystal. Silver Oxide will display a yellow to brown to black color as a pigment, depending on concentration. Particles can also display a yellow, reddish, green or violet color due to size related light scattering. Why not both at once AND/OR either/or? Break up the oxide and *pigment color* goes away. Bust out the fractal arms and size changes..and *light scattering* color goes away. Ode At 10:54 AM 8/27/2010 -0700, you wrote: Is that photo of a silver particle still in water? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote: http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.htmlhttp://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Huh. I've used full strength 3% h2o2 as a mouth rinse and never noticed any burn. Almost 40 years ago my brother's dentist told him the best thing in the world was to brush with baking soda and salt, and rinse with h2o2. A few years ago I was at a health expo and there was a dental company there doing those teeth whitening demos at a huge discount, so I tried it. Where they put a special paste in a custom fitted dental tray, turn lights on, and then in x amount of time you rinse and--you have whiter teeth. It really did work. I was impressed. Anyway, she told me the best way to make teeth white, or keep them white, was to rinse daily with 3% h2o2. Never mentioned burn at all, nor even said to be careful. Of course, each person is different, and perhaps you are just more sensitive than others. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Although it cut down on the post-cleaning infections it always hurt my gums I recently found out that full-strength will burn mucus membranes and should be cut 50/50 with water (now I would use CS if needed).
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Same with me Renee...I have been doing this for a long time with no side affect's, Deb From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 5:04:20 PM Subject: Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Huh. I've used full strength 3% h2o2 as a mouth rinse and never noticed any burn. Almost 40 years ago my brother's dentist told him the best thing in the world was to brush with baking soda and salt, and rinse with h2o2. A few years ago I was at a health expo and there was a dental company there doing those teeth whitening demos at a huge discount, so I tried it. Where they put a special paste in a custom fitted dental tray, turn lights on, and then in x amount of time you rinse and--you have whiter teeth. It really did work. I was impressed. Anyway, she told me the best way to make teeth white, or keep them white, was to rinse daily with 3% h2o2. Never mentioned burn at all, nor even said to be careful. Of course, each person is different, and perhaps you are just more sensitive than others. Samala, Renee ---Original Message---
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Subject: Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:59:28 +0100 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I got mine on ebay. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 15:34, Dianne France wrote: Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Which one out of how many? Mostly, I've been discussing the chemical similarities between MMS and Zapping. Very little about Sodium Chlorite .if I saved everything, I'd not be able to find anything. ode At 04:02 PM 8/26/2010 -0230, you wrote: Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 06:30 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
thanks for that Ode--brilliant! dee On 27 Aug 2010, at 12:05, Ode Coyote wrote: http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Is that photo of a silver particle still in water? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Yup. Look on the label for stabilizers. The cheapest stuff might be the best. Ode At 05:23 PM 8/23/2010 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
I've found that the cheap stuff has no stabilizers. Just 2 ingredients H2O2 and H2O. Breathing Ozone would probably do the same thing, the same way. Unhealthy cells are easier to burn upgo too far and you also burn up the healthy ones. Go too fast and you choke on the debris and protective defense reactions. [Why Ozone is more dangerous to those with lung problems ] Both H2O2 and O3 have something in common.a Free Radical [ Mono-atomic Oxygen ] that will grab a partner from anywhere there is one to grab to do a hot molecule dance somewhere...easy ones on surfaces first. Everybody is trying to destroy Free Radicals with anti-oxidants..but you don't suppose there's a reason they are there? [Those scrubbing bubbles ] If all you have is weak cells, surecould be a problem. [It's easy to get a dance partner in a ball room full of sluts ] If your shower stall is MADE out of slime, might not want to clean it too hard. [It's tough to get new paint to stick to no walls ] PS Feed your Ozone maker with pure OxygenNitric Acid prolly ain't real good for the wet parts. Ode At 12:12 PM 8/25/2010 -0700, you wrote: A man named Bill Munro has been breathing ordinary brown bottle grocery and drug store peroxide for well over 10 years with great results. Youtube has video of him showing exactly how to use a nasal spray pump for this. He also has a website with more info. From what I can find out, all the peroxide of all concentrations have stabilizers in them. The higher the concentration, the more stabilizers present. The names of the stabilizers might as well be Greek to me and since he has had only good come from his practices with it, it seems to me it is okay to use via inhale. Just start slowly or you may be sorry. My experience. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
amazon.com Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: dianne_fra...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:34:20 -0400 Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
I got mine on ebay. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 15:34, Dianne France wrote: Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 06:30 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
This one? http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg126954.html -Original Message- From: Alvin Rose [mailto:ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Re: CShydrogen peroxideHi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide Ode says it is. If you look at the Silver Puppy website it shows how it is done. dee On 23/08/2010 22:23, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
It is simply a matter of concentration. The articles which discuss it are referring to 3%. So if you use 35% you use about 1/11 or 1/12 as much. For instance instead of using 4 drops in a glass of CS, you would use about 1/3 of a drop. Marshall needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT - Original Message - *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:40 AM *Subject:* Re: CShydrogen peroxide Ode says it is. If you look at the Silver Puppy website it shows how it is done. dee On 23/08/2010 22:23, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Thanks, Dee. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CShydrogen peroxide
A man named Bill Munro has been breathing ordinary brown bottle grocery and drug store peroxide for well over 10 years with great results. Youtube has video of him showing exactly how to use a nasal spray pump for this. He also has a website with more info. From what I can find out, all the peroxide of all concentrations have stabilizers in them. The higher the concentration, the more stabilizers present. The names of the stabilizers might as well be Greek to me and since he has had only good come from his practices with it, it seems to me it is okay to use via inhale. Just start slowly or you may be sorry. My experience. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Because I can be math challenged Is there an easy way to determine how much to dilute a substance that is already partially diluted? For example - 35% H2O2 diluted to 3% H2O2 ... how much distilled water to how much of the 35% to get it to 3% I'm sure given enough time I could figure this out but those of you math whizzes who can figure stuff out like that easily - could you help me out? Thanks in advance, Jaxi On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com wrote: A man named Bill Munro has been breathing ordinary brown bottle grocery and drug store peroxide for well over 10 years with great results. Youtube has video of him showing exactly how to use a nasal spray pump for this. He also has a website with more info. From what I can find out, all the peroxide of all concentrations have stabilizers in them. The higher the concentration, the more stabilizers present. The names of the stabilizers might as well be Greek to me and since he has had only good come from his practices with it, it seems to me it is okay to use via inhale. Just start slowly or you may be sorry. My experience. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
A man named Bill Munro has been breathing ordinary store peroxide for well over 10 years with great results. Youtube has video of him = http://tinyurl.com/36cewgj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Ode says it is. If you look at the Silver Puppy website it shows how it is done. dee On 23/08/2010 22:23, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Re: CShydrogen peroxideThanks, Dee. I don't remember seeing it there. I will go look again. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide Ode says it is. If you look at the Silver Puppy website it shows how it is done. dee On 23/08/2010 22:23, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT
CShydrogen peroxide
Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide Dilution Chart
Thanks for this Sandy--I noticed on this article they just say water, not distilled water. Is this what you use? dee On 15 Apr 2010, at 04:25, Sandy wrote: This has helped me quite a bit with diluting my 35% H2O2 to 3%. http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-dilution-chart.html Best regards, Sandy http://buyingkefirgrains.blogspot.com/ http://heavenly-haiku.blogspot.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen Peroxide Dilution Chart
This has helped me quite a bit with diluting my 35% H2O2 to 3%. http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-dilution-chart.html Best regards, Sandy http://buyingkefirgrains.blogspot.com/ http://heavenly-haiku.blogspot.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide formation
I am thinking that Ed McCabe says that the big advantage of fresh foods over cooked is that the enzymes in the fresh fruits and vegs allow the production of H202 in the body. And it is this that accounts for their superior effects. I may not have that just right and if I can find the info in his (big) book, I will quote it. Sorry to be so hazy on this, but so busy these days. pj
CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter www.VoiceBio.com/products.php I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out, not put on the site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here: I learned something very fascinating this week. I had a consultation with a young lady who had nutritional microscopy, which is looking at a sample of blood under a microscope immediately after it is taken from the finger. I was looking at the video of her test and noticed that she had large globules of what looked like oxygen drops in her blood. The significance of this is the fact that these globules would impair the flow of red blood cells in the body and may, in fact, lead to possible lung, heart and other oxygen related tissues. I asked her if she was taking a source of oxygen in the form of hydrogen peroxide, which is common for someone attempting to get additional oxygen in the body. Much to my surprise, she was not doing that but I knew she was doing something. Finally, she told me that she was using a mouthwash that had hydrogen peroxide as a whitener. I would suggest to all of you reading this not to use any teeth brighteners that contain hydrogen peroxide. Afterwards, I was talking to a patient who is also a respiratory therapist. She was surprised and taken aback of the finding I suggested due to the potential for lung or respiratory challenges. As a matter of fact, I have additionally read articles suggesting that brighteners may also be taking the enamel off your teeth. I would strongly encourage you not to use any brighteners. I have found from experience that one of the leading causes of yellow teeth is a low thyroid. Do you have cold hands and feet? Are you fatigued? Do you wake with a headache that wears off as the day goes on; losing the outer portion of your eyebrows? These are all signs to me that your thyroid may not be up to par. www.VoiceBio.com/products.php for our colloidal iodine, EnerG-Iodine.
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
Very interesting. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Rowena Date: 15/06/2008 17:30:07 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter www.VoiceBio com/products.php I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out, not put on the site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here:
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
interesting indeed. I have been brushing my teeth by taking a sip of H2O2, then brushing. It's keeping my gums from infection, and I don't notice anything elsebeen doing this for about 2 years.. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Very interesting. Dee *---Original Message---* *From:* Rowena new...@aapt.net.au *Date:* 15/06/2008 17:30:07 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter www.VoiceBio.com/products.php http://www.voicebio.com/products.php I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out, not put on the site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here: -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
Lots of folk use hydrogen peroxide as a supplement with excellent results. Been reading about it for years. I think the newsletter contains a misdiagnosis, and should be taken with a grain of salt. Chuck Gosh, that takes me back...or forward. That's the trouble with time travel, you never can tell. On 6/15/2008 2:23:09 PM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote: interesting indeed. I have been brushing my teeth by taking a sip of H2O2, then brushing. It's keeping my gums from infection, and I don't notice anything elsebeen doing this for about 2 years.. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1502 - Release Date: 6/13/2008 7:25 PM
CSHydrogen peroxide
If anyone is interested to read an article about someone who claims to have a doctorate in naturopathy may go to the web address below. Apparently a young person died that appears to be due to injection of hydrogen peroxide. A procedure called photoluminescence. I know that this procedure is not used on this list, but perhaps that someone is interested in reading about it. I am thinking about mixture of hydrogen peroxide with EIS... There is a lots of other Web pages that are mentioning this case. Just make search for the name of the person listed on the web page. GOLDEN, Colo. -- The trial of a holistic health practitioner charged in the death of a patient got under way Tuesday. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/6626453/detail.html We probably have to be very careful with hydrogen peroxide... Gaston -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen peroxide
I wonder what the press coverage of a non-AMA doctor killing someone will be compared with a routine hospital screw-up? -Original Message- From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen peroxide If anyone is interested to read an article about someone who claims to have a doctorate in naturopathy may go to the web address below. Apparently a young person died that appears to be due to injection of hydrogen peroxide. A procedure called photoluminescence. I know that this procedure is not used on this list, but perhaps that someone is interested in reading about it. I am thinking about mixture of hydrogen peroxide with EIS... There is a lots of other Web pages that are mentioning this case. Just make search for the name of the person listed on the web page. GOLDEN, Colo. -- The trial of a holistic health practitioner charged in the death of a patient got under way Tuesday. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/6626453/detail.html We probably have to be very careful with hydrogen peroxide... Gaston -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen peroxide
Then there's this... http://www.abhalight.org/h2o2.html Who ya gonna believe? Your choice. Think carefully, your life may depend on it. stuff At 03:42 PM 3/29/2006, you wrote: I wonder what the press coverage of a non-AMA doctor killing someone will be compared with a routine hospital screw-up? -Original Message- From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen peroxide If anyone is interested to read an article about someone who claims to have a doctorate in naturopathy may go to the web address below. Apparently a young person died that appears to be due to injection of hydrogen peroxide. A procedure called photoluminescence. I know that this procedure is not used on this list, but perhaps that someone is interested in reading about it. I am thinking about mixture of hydrogen peroxide with EIS... There is a lots of other Web pages that are mentioning this case. Just make search for the name of the person listed on the web page. GOLDEN, Colo. -- The trial of a holistic health practitioner charged in the death of a patient got under way Tuesday. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/6626453/detail.html We probably have to be very careful with hydrogen peroxide... Gaston -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide
I think that this makes it nearly gol 'durned unanimous! AND a 'durned good example of why it's better if you hold your responses on your desktop until you've caught up with all of your e- mail!!! Then you can delete rather than send your replies to questions that others have answered already! GRIN It's great to know we have so many helpful folks here. Thank you all! Mike D. Nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote: Mix at ratio of 11 to 1... 1 part H2O2 to 11 parts distilled water.. nessie Debb Bos wrote: I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen Peroxide
I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide
Mix 1 ounce of 35% into 11 ounces of distilled water for 3% Have fun Kallie - Original Message - From: Debb Bos bosp...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide
Debb 11 parts water to 1 part 35%H2O2 should do it. Chuck Never Drive Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly. On 2/3/2006 6:32:16 PM, Debb Bos (bosp...@shaw.ca) wrote: I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide
Another list concluded: 11 parts distilled to 1 part H2O2. - Original Message - From: Debb Bos bosp...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide
Mix at ratio of 11 to 1... 1 part H2O2 to 11 parts distilled water.. nessie Debb Bos wrote: I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank-you verymuch to everybody who answered. Debb S.Surrey BC Canada - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide Debb 11 parts water to 1 part 35%H2O2 should do it. Chuck Never Drive Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly. On 2/3/2006 6:32:16 PM, Debb Bos (bosp...@shaw.ca) wrote: I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0605-5, 02/03/2006 Tested on: 2/3/2006 4:27:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
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I think that this makes it nearly gol 'durned unanimous! Nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote: Mix at ratio of 11 to 1... 1 part H2O2 to 11 parts distilled water.. nessie Debb Bos wrote: I just bought some H202 food grade 35% I was hoping somebody would let me know how to dilute it down to 3% Help? Debb S.Surrey BC Canada -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
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Reminds me of the old Monty Python skit, the docs going bed to bed in a hospital checking patients, but what they are checking is their wallets---John Cleese checks one patient's wallet, takes out all the cash, tosses it back, and says something like right then, Mr., we'll soon have you down to nothing sol Dennis Gulenchin wrote: Why do MD's bother taking the hippocratic oath? It is disregarded immediately- it should be changed to the pharmaceutical oath where they swear to prescribe as many drugs as possible as long as it doesn't kill the patient before his bank account is drained! Dennis sol wrote: You are probably right about the legal issue. When did the responsibility change from helping a patient, to prescribing pharmaceuticals? Is this relatively recent, or did I just spend the majority of my life ignorant of the true purpose of MDs? It all seems to be escalating so fast.. sol Christine Carleton wrote: Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sol, Don't know... I was under their magical media 'Glamours' for years too During the 50's they started putting SV-40 monkey virus into human blood - mixing animal DNA with human DNA is a violation of divine laws. Subsequent generations are paying the price. SV-40 is being found in the brain tumors of children and grandchildren of those originally vaccinated yet the grandchild has yet to get that vaccination. Escalating? yup! PS: Most people have been inoculated with the polio vaccine. Dumbing down? Christine From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com You are probably right about the legal issue. When did the responsibility change from helping a patient, to prescribing pharmaceuticals? Is this relatively recent, or did I just spend the majority of my life ignorant of the true purpose of MDs? It all seems to be escalating so fast.. sol Christine Carleton wrote: Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why do MD's bother taking the hippocratic oath? It is disregarded immediately- it should be changed to the pharmaceutical oath where they swear to prescribe as many drugs as possible as long as it doesn't kill the patient before his bank account is drained! Dennis sol wrote: You are probably right about the legal issue. When did the responsibility change from helping a patient, to prescribing pharmaceuticals? Is this relatively recent, or did I just spend the majority of my life ignorant of the true purpose of MDs? It all seems to be escalating so fast.. sol Christine Carleton wrote: Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The point to using H2O2 in CS is to affect the CS, not the body parts. [H2O2 in any real concentration is highly corrosive and will probably take your skin 'off'.] It takes VERY little. 4 CCs in a Gallon? 2 gallons? 5? Ode At 01:36 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My son had what he thought was an infection on his finger. Used neosporin repeatedly on it, only to have it get worse. (He resisted my herbal stuff because, What does Mom know?) The dermatologist he finally consulted diagnosed it as an allergy to Neosporin and told him it was fairly common. S. sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: I think the amount of H202 one would add to EIS is small enough not to be a problem even if one believes H202 is a problem. I myself still believe straight 3% H202 is a perfectly good wound flush for immediate first aid, and I would also have no hesitation to use it on an infected wound where I wanted to debride the pus and infected cells off the wound. It does kill new cells, but I personally never have continued to use it on a non-infected healing wound, nor do I know anyone else who has. I think perhaps they don't like peroxide because it is cheap and effective? With my mother who got many infected wounds on her legs in her last couple years, she had this argument with the public health nurse and the doctor several times. However, the wound wash and the neosporin they always wanted to put on her wounds invariably let them become terribly infected..so I don't know what the medical deal is, maybe just drumming up business for abx prescriptions? Whatever, I was completely underwhelmed by their alternatives to peroxide. However they were very insistent that we not use it, to the point where both the Dr. and the nurse became very angry. Had I known about EIS those days, I'd have used it. So we just quit telling them what we were doing. God knows my mother would probably have lost a leg, if I had let them treat her their way only. I remember once the nurse washing a leg wound, and putting on neosporin, they next morning it was unbelievably worse and inflamed. They insisted I was wrong about the reaction to the neosporin. I would clean the wound my way, and put on a vit e ointment (from a clean new jar of ointment) and it would be better when the dressing was changed, but the nurse would still be horrified that I had taken off her dressing and re-done it, saying I was making things worse. FWIW, my mother is the one who wanted peroxide used, as she said it was what she always used and she never used to get infections from cuts and scratches. Medical people see what they want to see, I guess. Sort of like the rest of us, but then I know I saw what I sawand my mom reported less pain in the wounds when I took care of them, too. I ended up feeling less respect for doctors and nurses than I had ever had, and also believing one just has to try different things, and stick with what works, no matter what the professionals say. sol William Amos wrote: Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I believe it, I am allergic to it, and the local vet here says bacteria have become resistant to it that it is virtually useless for most people and animals anyway. sol Sally Khanna wrote: My son had what he thought was an infection on his finger. Used neosporin repeatedly on it, only to have it get worse. (He resisted my herbal stuff because, What does Mom know?) The dermatologist he finally consulted diagnosed it as an allergy to Neosporin and told him it was fairly common. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I was trained to use peroxide to wash wounds in animal care, while working at the vet school here in Texas. We were told that it does impeded new cell growth but that all you had to do was rinse it well after cleaning the wound. This is true of another allopathic fav, Betadine, it impededs new cell growth as well. Yet it is the number one surgical scrub! There is a huge dis-information campaign against H2O2, like DMSO and CS. It is not patentable so of course it is BAD for you and will make things worse, oh no!!! Be afraid, very very afraid to use your own judgement least you take away our jobs! (Which we majorly suck at most of the time, but that is beside our point. Our malpractice insurance and licensing boards tell us how to practice medicine, we can not and will not think for ourselves or we would have to get out of allopathic medicine!). Garnet On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 08:36, William Amos wrote: Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I think the amount of H202 one would add to EIS is small enough not to be a problem even if one believes H202 is a problem. I myself still believe straight 3% H202 is a perfectly good wound flush for immediate first aid, and I would also have no hesitation to use it on an infected wound where I wanted to debride the pus and infected cells off the wound. It does kill new cells, but I personally never have continued to use it on a non-infected healing wound, nor do I know anyone else who has. I think perhaps they don't like peroxide because it is cheap and effective? With my mother who got many infected wounds on her legs in her last couple years, she had this argument with the public health nurse and the doctor several times. However, the wound wash and the neosporin they always wanted to put on her wounds invariably let them become terribly infected..so I don't know what the medical deal is, maybe just drumming up business for abx prescriptions? Whatever, I was completely underwhelmed by their alternatives to peroxide. However they were very insistent that we not use it, to the point where both the Dr. and the nurse became very angry. Had I known about EIS those days, I'd have used it. So we just quit telling them what we were doing. God knows my mother would probably have lost a leg, if I had let them treat her their way only. I remember once the nurse washing a leg wound, and putting on neosporin, they next morning it was unbelievably worse and inflamed. They insisted I was wrong about the reaction to the neosporin. I would clean the wound my way, and put on a vit e ointment (from a clean new jar of ointment) and it would be better when the dressing was changed, but the nurse would still be horrified that I had taken off her dressing and re-done it, saying I was making things worse. FWIW, my mother is the one who wanted peroxide used, as she said it was what she always used and she never used to get infections from cuts and scratches. Medical people see what they want to see, I guess. Sort of like the rest of us, but then I know I saw what I sawand my mom reported less pain in the wounds when I took care of them, too. I ended up feeling less respect for doctors and nurses than I had ever had, and also believing one just has to try different things, and stick with what works, no matter what the professionals say. sol William Amos wrote: Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. Know their 'legal lay of the land'. They are trapped. Many know, but think/feel they cannot forfeit a $100,000. education, risk loosing their mortgage or family society status to finding a different occupation. Dr. David Hawkins, MD, PhD says that choices of money and trappings no longer create success but INTEGRITY to whatever field - making mouse traps - whatever - is the new definition of success. The irony: A portfolio will not produce health but buy the best MD to prescribe expensive pharmaceuticals. Universal Humour at it's best? I agree with your conclusion. ...stick with what works, no matter what (allopathic and some science - my interjection) professionals say. Truth produces health. Christine -- From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com I think the amount of H202 one would add to EIS is small enough not to be a problem even if one believes H202 is a problem. I myself still believe straight 3% H202 is a perfectly good wound flush for immediate first aid, and I would also have no hesitation to use it on an infected wound where I wanted to debride the pus and infected cells off the wound. It does kill new cells, but I personally never have continued to use it on a non-infected healing wound, nor do I know anyone else who has. I think perhaps they don't like peroxide because it is cheap and effective? With my mother who got many infected wounds on her legs in her last couple years, she had this argument with the public health nurse and the doctor several times. However, the wound wash and the neosporin they always wanted to put on her wounds invariably let them become terribly infected..so I don't know what the medical deal is, maybe just drumming up business for abx prescriptions? Whatever, I was completely underwhelmed by their alternatives to peroxide. However they were very insistent that we not use it, to the point where both the Dr. and the nurse became very angry. Had I known about EIS those days, I'd have used it. So we just quit telling them what we were doing. God knows my mother would probably have lost a leg, if I had let them treat her their way only. I remember once the nurse washing a leg wound, and putting on neosporin, they next morning it was unbelievably worse and inflamed. They insisted I was wrong about the reaction to the neosporin. I would clean the wound my way, and put on a vit e ointment (from a clean new jar of ointment) and it would be better when the dressing was changed, but the nurse would still be horrified that I had taken off her dressing and re-done it, saying I was making things worse. FWIW, my mother is the one who wanted peroxide used, as she said it was what she always used and she never used to get infections from cuts andscratches. Medical people see what they want to see, I guess. Sort of like the rest of us, but then I know I saw what I sawand my mom reported less pain in the wounds when I took care of them, too. I ended up feeling less respect for doctors and nurses than I had ever had, and also believing one just has to try different things, and stick with what works, no matter what the professionals say. sol ~~ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Readers Digest? I think it depends on the concentration. If silver is not available, I would not hesitate to use 3.5% JOH -Original Message- From: William Amos [mailto:wa...@mailstation.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You are probably right about the legal issue. When did the responsibility change from helping a patient, to prescribing pharmaceuticals? Is this relatively recent, or did I just spend the majority of my life ignorant of the true purpose of MDs? It all seems to be escalating so fast.. sol Christine Carleton wrote: Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Don't know... I was under their magical media 'Glamours' for years too. Gee, I even got paralytic polio from these folks continued to do what they said for years. Some of us are 'THICK' for a while until we start to grow. Suspect it got going when the 'electrical' appliances like Nicola Tesla discovered and Edward Casey suggested use of in the '30's while Rockerfeller's gentleman politician prohibited use of with the Ivy League Schools lest Rockerfeller and co. cut off funding and scholarships for students and research. If memory serves me over a hundred naturopathic schools were closed then and the world of chemistry open opportunity? Christine From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com You are probably right about the legal issue. When did the responsibility change from helping a patient, to prescribing pharmaceuticals? Is this relatively recent, or did I just spend the majority of my life ignorant of the true purpose of MDs? It all seems to be escalating so fast.. sol Christine Carleton wrote: Sol, It's not personal. It's legal. In court the first responsibility of an MD is to prescribe pharmaceuticals rather than suggest clean water or food to patients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Further irony: Professional responsibilities and personal choices may be different. It's LEGAL LIABILITY regarding licensing in professions and institutions. I would guess-a-mate that about 60-65% of my EO clients are from occupations like family services, hospital professionals of one sort or another or work within medical clinics. They're worried about bugs and getting sick. Some have been downsized, had anxiety attacks, are on leave, or have had to retire before having time to research other perspectives beyond their training. It's tough. It's hard on the soul. It's hard on one's health 'n happiness. It's really hard on nurses and counsellors who don't have as flush a cash flow. INTERGITY HELPS HEALING. Vitamins, minerals, CS, DMSO, fresh air, clean water and sites like www.mercola.com are helping wake more people up. Also transparent bias like Ed is experiencing with his web site. CC From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net The irony: A portfolio will not produce health but buy the best MD to prescribe expensive pharmaceuticals. Universal Humour at it's best? Truth produces health. Christine From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com ... However, the wound wash and the neosporin they always wanted to put on her wounds invariably let them become terribly infected..so I don't know what the medical deal is, maybe just drumming up business for abx prescriptions? Whatever, I was completely underwhelmed by their alternatives to peroxide. However they were very insistent that we not use it, to the point where both the Dr. and the nurse became very angry. Had I known about EIS those days, I'd have used it. So we just quit telling them what we were doing. God knows my mother would probably have lost a leg, if I had let them treat her their way only. ... I would clean the wound my way, and put on a vit e ointment (from a clean new jar of ointment) and it would be better when the dressing was changed, ... ... Medical people see what they want to see, I guess. Sort of like the rest of us, but then I know I saw what I sawand my mom reported less pain in the wounds when I took care of them, too. ...sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree with Sol on the initial use of H2O2, I was a Home Health Nurse for many years and we used full strength H2O2 all the time on infected wounds, however tha last few years they had us dilute it to 1/2 strength with Normal Saline. The new skin tissue did seem to heal better, look pinker and moister. After awhile just plain Normal saline was the best . However this was all after the reallly bad infection was cleared out. Just plain moist Normal Saline after the wound was clean healed most wounds beautifully. sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:I think the amount of H202 one would add to EIS is small enough not to be a problem even if one believes H202 is a problem. I myself still believe straight 3% H202 is a perfectly good wound flush for immediate first aid, and I would also have no hesitation to use it on an infected wound where I wanted to debride the pus and infected cells off the wound. It does kill new cells, but I personally never have continued to use it on a non-infected healing wound, nor do I know anyone else who has. I think perhaps they don't like peroxide because it is cheap and effective? With my mother who got many infected wounds on her legs in her last couple years, she had this argument with the public health nurse and the doctor several times. However, the wound wash and the neosporin they always wanted to put on her wounds invariably let them become terribly infected..so I don't know what the medical deal is, maybe just drumming up business for abx prescriptions? Whatever, I was completely underwhelmed by their alternatives to peroxide. However they were very insistent that we not use it, to the point where both the Dr. and the nurse became very angry. Had I known about EIS those days, I'd have used it. So we just quit telling them what we were doing. God knows my mother would probably have lost a leg, if I had let them treat her their way only. I remember once the nurse washing a leg wound, and putting on neosporin, they next morning it was unbelievably worse and inflamed. They insisted I was wrong about the reaction to the neosporin. I would clean the wound my way, and put on a vit e ointment (from a clean new jar of ointment) and it would be better when the dressing was changed, but the nurse would still be horrified that I had taken off her dressing and re-done it, saying I was making things worse. FWIW, my mother is the one who wanted peroxide used, as she said it was what she always used and she never used to get infections from cuts and scratches. Medical people see what they want to see, I guess. Sort of like the rest of us, but then I know I saw what I sawand my mom reported less pain in the wounds when I took care of them, too. I ended up feeling less respect for doctors and nurses than I had ever had, and also believing one just has to try different things, and stick with what works, no matter what the professionals say. sol William Amos wrote: Hello all: In the October-2004 issue of Readers Digest there is an article on First Aid You Should Never Use. Included is the use of Hydrogen Peroxide. Dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology mentions Hydrogen Peroxide, along with other medications can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing and killing healthy cells. Does anyone have have information on mixing CS and H2O2 as being safe to use either internally or externally ? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Nancy, You wrote, ...we used full strength H2O2 ... What strength is full? TIA, JOH -Original Message- From: Nancy Venzon [mailto:nven...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide I agree with Sol on the initial use of H2O2, I was a Home Health Nurse for many years and we used full strength H2O2 all the time on infected wounds, however tha last few years they had us dilute it to 1/2 strength with Normal Saline. The new skin tissue did seem to heal better, look pinker and moister. After awhile just plain Normal saline was the best . However this was all after the reallly bad infection was cleared out. Just plain moist Normal Saline after the wound was clean healed most wounds beautifully. sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: I think the amount of H202 one would add to EIS is small enough not to be a problem even if one believes H202 is a problem. I myself still believe straight 3% H202 is a perfectly good wound flush for immediate first aid, and I would also have no hesitation to use it on an infected wound where I wanted to debride the pus and infected cells off the wound. It does kill new cells, but I personally never have continued to use it on a non-infected healing wound, nor do I know anyone else who has. I think perhaps they don't like peroxide because it is cheap and effective?
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
MY experience from having done this is that adding the peroxide to the water before making CS results in a maximum of around 13 PPM ionic [13 uS on a PWT meter] and everything after that HUGE shiney silver metal flakes big and pretty enough to use in a snow scene paperweight. Eventually [like many many months], with plenty of sunlight, [That batch sat on a South facing window sill for over a year] the metal flakes turned into black balls of silver oxide, the formerly clear water went very yellow and tasted very strongly metallic. I seem to remember a meter reading shooting up from 13 to around 45 uS on that batch but I don't have it anymore to check again. It's not something I plan to do again. Ode At 04:31 PM 7/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Ode, Is it a bad thing if the water tastes very metallic? I ask because, the last batch I made I had going for about 45 mins and I had *no* tindal effect so I chugged it away until I saw a slight effect about half an our later. The water was very clear and by the faraday calculator I reckon it was about 20PPM (probably less due to some build up on the electrodes), but it tasted very metallic. It seemed to work very well though. Dave. Eventually [like many many months], with plenty of sunlight, [That batch sat on a South facing window sill for over a year] the metal flakes turned into black balls of silver oxide, the formerly clear water went very yellow and tasted very strongly metallic. I seem to remember a meter reading shooting up from 13 to around 45 uS on that batch but I don't have it anymore to check again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Mostly copper and some gold...perhaps a wee touch of lead or bismuth now and then, all in amounts far less than you'd injest with every lungful of air or mouthful of food. Ode At 03:09 PM 7/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: I was just curious, that if you use .999 or . silver wire, and since it is not 100% pure silver, what other metals are you getting in your water besides silver? Would that be zinc or copper too? David --- oldgl...@bigcountry.net oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
At 03:35 PM 7/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: Jean, You misread or misunderstood my earlier reply to you. I said do not add H202 to the water before making CS. I didn't say it would make it 100% ionic. That occurs AFTER you make the CS and THEN add the H202. It then increases the ionic. content and reduces the colloidal portion. ## I'm not sure what peroxide does to ionic content. It does seem to make the particles smaller, therefore more numerous, increasing TE and reducing 'graininess' in the laser beam. But some people say it does the opposite...reducing TE. It seems to both make and break oxides...make and break particles. I dunno, it's just weird stuff. Perhaps that has to do with when and what sort of energy is being applied to what form of silver. As Ken (Ode) says, you'll make beautiful silver looking snowflakes in the CS. Right Ken? ## That's what it did for me, but I only did it once. I should try it a few more times to see if it's always the same. It could be that when using peroxide, nothing's ever the same. [ ;-) and LOL] Ode Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [silver_list] CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
I was just curious, that if you use .999 or . silver wire, and since it is not 100% pure silver, what other metals are you getting in your water besides silver? Would that be zinc or copper too? Hello, David, Your question leads to another good reason to use bullion coins instead of wire. Coins are marked with their silver content, of course, but their non-silver content is assayed too. According to Littleton Coin Company, the Silver American Eagle bullion coin is 0.9993 silver and 0.0007 copper. Other details about the Eagle: diameter = 40.6 mm and mass = 31.101 grams. Best regards, Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Having made CS that read low in uS and had high TE..but had virtually no flavor, then making high uS and low TE with strong flavor.. I think its ions we taste even if they're not 'free' ions. No, strong taste is not bad. Nor is no or little taste. It's more like a sensual indicator that can work with the eyeball one to calibrate the intuition. With all the doseing nonsense that's out there posing as knowledge, intuition is what we wind up using anyhow whether we think we are or not. ode At 02:03 PM 7/22/2004 +0100, you wrote: Ode, Is it a bad thing if the water tastes very metallic? I ask because, the last batch I made I had going for about 45 mins and I had *no* tindal effect so I chugged it away until I saw a slight effect about half an our later. The water was very clear and by the faraday calculator I reckon it was about 20PPM (probably less due to some build up on the electrodes), but it tasted very metallic. It seemed to work very well though. Dave. Eventually [like many many months], with plenty of sunlight, [That batch sat on a South facing window sill for over a year] the metal flakes turned into black balls of silver oxide, the formerly clear water went very yellow and tasted very strongly metallic. I seem to remember a meter reading shooting up from 13 to around 45 uS on that batch but I don't have it anymore to check again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Most likely copper and gold, some possible zinc. But the amount is so trivial that even if it were mercury or arsenic, 10 ppm CS would still meet the EPA requirements for drinking water if I remember right. Marshall David wrote: I was just curious, that if you use .999 or . silver wire, and since it is not 100% pure silver, what other metals are you getting in your water besides silver? Would that be zinc or copper too? David --- oldgl...@bigcountry.net oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
At 12:26 AM 23/07/04, you wrote: Your question leads to another good reason to use bullion coins instead of wire. Coins are marked with their silver content, of course, but their non-silver content is assayed too. Hear, hear! I use Canadian $5 Maples. . for 2 reasons: 1. anything purer is better EVEN at that level but, 2. You know it's real. Most important. Himagain's $5 worth. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
At 02:39 AM 23/07/04, Marshall wrote: 10 ppm CS would still meet the EPA requirements for drinking water if I remember right. Ahhh, Marshall, that lot is not really a good recommendation, friend! :-) Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
It breaks up the large particles of CS and makes them small enough to get into the blood stream. Alzheimer's is an auto immune disease. CS will suffocate the mycoplasma the causes the Alzheier's. Nancy - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
I was just curious, that if you use .999 or . silver wire, and since it is not 100% pure silver, what other metals are you getting in your water besides silver? Would that be zinc or copper too? David --- oldgl...@bigcountry.net oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Jean, You misread or misunderstood my earlier reply to you. I said do not add H202 to the water before making CS. I didn't say it would make it 100% ionic. That occurs AFTER you make the CS and THEN add the H202. It then increases the ionic. content and reduces the colloidal portion. As Ken (Ode) says, you'll make beautiful silver looking snowflakes in the CS. Right Ken? Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [silver_list] CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver Hi, I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen peroxide to the steam distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver because it causes the resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85% ionic without the hydrogen peroxide. Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the hydrogen peroxide is added after the making of the Colloidal Silver. However, unless there is a good reason to add hydrogen peroxide to the water after making the CS (is there any proof of efficacy), it might not be a good thing to do. I just read where hydrogen peroxide might be implicated in Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and copper). Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Hi Trem, Yes, I did misunderstand. Sorry, my mistake. Then you are saying to not add hydrogen peroxide before OR after making Colloidal Silver. Thank you, Jean Baugh *** Jean, You misread or misunderstood my earlier reply to you. I said do not add H202 to the water before making CS. I didn't say it would make it 100% ionic. That occurs AFTER you make the CS and THEN add the H202. It then increases the ionic. content and reduces the colloidal portion. As Ken (Ode) says, you'll make beautiful silver looking snowflakes in the CS. Right Ken? Best regards, Trem - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver
Hi Trem, I went back to see what you said and to see why I mistook your words. I see now what you meant but in my hurry (too many chores here), it flew over my head. Thank you for correcting me. :) Jean Baugh Hi Jean, Do NOT add peroxide BEFORE making CS. If you want to add it afterwards that will be OK. It will cause the 15% colloidal portion to become ionic. So, instead of being 85% ionic it will be 100% ionic. Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com www.silvergen.com - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen Peroxide...FYI
Greetings, all: I'm trying to create a measureable standard to calculate how much H2O2 to use with colloidal silver to achieve suitable benefit. In so doing, my first step has been to find a method to quantify the levels of H2O2. My chosen method is utilizing peroxide strips, which measure H2O2 concentration ( in this case, theoretically accurate, since there are no chlorides in the CS ) in PPM. The scale of the strips I purchased is from 0 - 100 PPM. I know that all the testing papers are not completely accurate. However, I figured I could get close enough to draw some conclusions using this affordable method. I added one drop of 35% hydrogen peroxide to 32 ounces of 11 PPM colloidal silver. This is far below the concentration I use with mouth and throat infections, but I had to create a solution that fell within the low measuring parameters of the testing paper. My H2O2 is actually relatively old; newly purchased 35% H2O2 might show greater levels of concentration. The CS measured roughly 47 PPM H2O2. 8X4X3X47 = 4512 PPM H2O2 : 4512:11 = 410 to 1 ( PPM H2O2 to Colloidal Silver ) --- three drops of 35% added to 4 ounces of CS is the strongest concentration I've used. The colloidal silver used was a high quality CS - made with Trem's SG7 Pro. Therefore, there is never any visible reaction with the hydrogen peroxide, because any particulate silver is in the form of minute particles. This presented me with my first problem, as 24 hours later there was perhaps only a change of 1-2 PPM in the hydrogen peroxide reading. The hydrogen peroxide stabilized far faster than I thought it would. Of course, this has to be kept in perspective, as the concentration of silver is only 11PPM, and silver flakes or agglomerated particles will cause a greater reaction with the H2O2 ( considering lower quality colloidal silvers ). My next tests will center around a CS with a greater particle content. The container was also left open during this trial run. Kind Regards, Jason
Re: CSHydrogen peroxide addition
It's better to make it colorless to start with by reducing the current [by reducing the voltage] as you go [remove a battery every now and then, twist a potentiometer, add current control circuit] and/...or [up to a point if the voltage/current is not reduced] inducing a stirring effect with a small heat source or mechanical stirrer of some sort. It doesn't take much, just keep the water moving some. A couple of drops of 3% per 8 oz should clear it up overnight. If that doesn't do it, add a drop or two more. Too much and you won't want to use it [tastes REALLY NASTY!!!] Ken At 09:00 PM 10/7/01 +0200, you wrote: Ken said:- The warning is to not use H2O2 and CS as a seeding solution. It's OK to add them together [it will actually break up large particles that have formed...turn a colored CS clear] but not to use it as a starter. Ken Sorry to be so thick, Ken, but are you advocating adding hydrogen peroxide to a brew once it's made? ( My CS is yellow and I'd prefer it to be colourless) And how much would you add proportionally? What strength? Jan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide addition
Ken said:- The warning is to not use H2O2 and CS as a seeding solution. It's OK to add them together [it will actually break up large particles that have formed...turn a colored CS clear] but not to use it as a starter. Ken Sorry to be so thick, Ken, but are you advocating adding hydrogen peroxide to a brew once it's made? ( My CS is yellow and I'd prefer it to be colourless) And how much would you add proportionally? What strength? Jan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHydrogen peroxide + CS
Hi Ya'll, Greetings from sunny Texas!! Regarding the supreme ratio of H2O2/CS: Please advise. Thank you. LC -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
Kathy, I would think that your speculation about opening something up in your sinuses is totally correct. Many people with sinus problems have areas where a crust has formed over an area of infection. Sinus infections are very hard to clear up because they occur in the midst of bone which is not highly vascularized and therefore it takes a long time for any WBCs to get there. It's not a bad thing to get that opened up and drained out as it could possibly abscess or just fester. You should see the stuff we get out of peoples sinuses in surgery. We have to wear scents over our masks. If you got sick for a couple of days from it you probably had a lot of drainage from the sinus. You might consider doing it again occasionally just to keep the area open and infection free. Before the invention of nose drops people would sniff salt water to draw fluid from the tissues into the nasal passages therefore loosening the mucous plugs etc. and clearing the congestion out. At first it makes the membranes swell but the end result is a clearing of the nares. Good luck on your sinuses. Michele In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ## An odd little experiment. Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. I breathed it up my nose. I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would not be too strong to try this with. What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. I ran into my daughters room and said I can hear better! (I have tinnitus and it is effecting my hearing). W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? H...I keep wondering about this. Comments appreciated! Love, Kathy -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aqui...
In a message dated 04/24/2000 8:06:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, macmi...@mail.dave-world.net writes: Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. Kathy, What were you doing? Breathing Hydrogen Peroxide with CS.. is that what you were doing? David e-mail: dballi2...@aol.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
If you are in need of oxygen, please go to: http://www.healthmall.com/www/Shop/Index.cfm?s=169FuseAction=TermsOfService at the end of the page there is a link to English language. Alex -Original Message- From: Kathryn Neff [mailto:n...@ricc.net] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 7:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky] Kathy: If you put the hydrogen peroxide up your nose just as it is from the bottle (drug store type)...then it is too strong for your nasal passages and tissues.For years we traveled in the mid-east and in remote areasI used a ratio of 1 hydrogen peroxide to 4 water.. this makes it where it does not damage your nasal tissues and is more comfortable...it helped prevent colds that we often got living in remote areas so far from a doctor Kathy Neff - Original Message - From: mzo...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky] In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ## An odd little experiment. Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. I breathed it up my nose. I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would not be too strong to try this with. What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. I ran into my daughters room and said I can hear better! (I have tinnitus and it is effecting my hearing). W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? H...I keep wondering about this. Comments appreciated! Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
At 10:51 AM 4/9/00 +1200, you wrote: Hi KD'C, What strength H2O2 are you using, I would guess 3% as you put some in your mouth without burning it! ## Yup, 3% right from the drugstore I have posted experiments (along with others) in the past, using 50% H2O2. If you care to check the archives, you may find the answers to most of your questions there. H2O2 does react with pure metallic silver, in fact passing high concentration H2O2 through a silver mesh is a method used in DIY rocket engines! ## YOW! 3% h202 didn't react [noticeably] immediately with the fresh silver but eventually turned the silver quite black. A small length (10mm) of new silver wire was left in 100mls of 50% H2O2 for a few days. A small stream of bubbles emanated from the silver and the concentration of silver ions in the solution increased from zero to well above 20ppm, as measured by Ion Selective Electrode (ISE). There was no silver oxide. ### Mine turned really black overnight. If that isn't silver oxide, what is it? A mystery here. Catalytic reaction too fast in 50% to make silver oxides? A nasty brew of dirty grey (inclusion of large uncharged metallic colloids, emanating from the cathode) CS was created, there was much fallout on the bottom of the container. Some of this colloid was taken, to which a few ml of 50% H2O2 was added. A great cloud of minute bubbles formed immediately, which were so small that the solution looked milky, and the Tyndal beam showed a shower of sparklies. Within a few hours the solution was completely clear, showing very little Tyndal effect. The concentration of silver ions increased as the solution cleared. I concluded that the H2O2 oxidised the metallic silver particles as it reduced to O2 gas and water, forming free silver ions and not silver oxide ### I'm having trouble with the definition of oxidation. To me, when an element combines with oxygen, it has been oxidized. When wood burns, it combines with oxygen in a rapid oxidation reaction producing among other things, carbon dioxide. Silver oxidizes to form dark colored silver oxides. Reduction is the reverse of oxidation...driving off the oxygen. Am I totally confused? You talk of the 'oxide load', what do you mean? Is this the build up on the neg. cathode or pos. anode, fall out on the bottom of the container or floaters on the solution surface, or colour in the solution? ## Buildup on the negative electrode [the oxygen producing one? I keep forgetting to check that and it's pretty important], fallout on the bottom, perhaps color in the sol...not totally proven to my satisfaction what causes that one way or the other yet... but not the floaters which retain the color of silver 'dust' and have all the characteristics of a dust on water surface tension. KD'C Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 00:46 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly reduced. If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of the water and makes what I call a gray floater. Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides
CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
In a message dated 4*9*00 4:52:14 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Certainly sounds like you over did it a bit, but it also sounds as if you have uncovered a deep-seated infection. Hello Ivan, Thanks for your response. May I add that the nose experiment was done about two weeks ago and I have not done it again...but have noticed a new type of sensation in my head. It seems as though my head has a hollow (okay NO jokes!) sound, which causes and echo of sorts. I remember having this before too, when my tinnitus began 4 years ago. Perhaps it is not related to the use of the hydrogen peroxide...it seems funny though that is happening after I did my little experiment. I've been zapping a lot extra though, in case I did let some infection lose! Thanks again. Love, Kathy Hi Kathy, I do that too...once you get past the stinging, which travels through the whole sinus :-(, the sinus is left amazingly clear as you note :-) Certainly sounds like you over did it a bit, but it also sounds as if you have uncovered a deep-seated infection. Whether the illness relates to an immune response an infection clean up or invading H2O2 damage to the nasal tissue I couldn't say, but I have read where, after H2O2 therapy, tumours detached from a fellows throat and bled so much that the wound needed cauterising. I'm not saying you had a tumour!!! Just that it is possible to react with pathogenic masses with resultant bleeding. However I do urge you to be careful, I would hate to think that you are damaging your nasal tissue! Kind regards Ivan. *** -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
Thanks... from one Kathy to another! I will dilute from now on...that is if I decide to do it again! Love, Kathy In a message dated 4*9*00 4:52:14 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Kathy: If you put the hydrogen peroxide up your nose just as it is from the bottle (drug store type)...then it is too strong for your nasal passages and tissues.For years we traveled in the mid-east and in remote areasI used a ratio of 1 hydrogen peroxide to 4 water.. this makes it where it does not damage your nasal tissues and is more comfortable...it helped prevent colds that we often got living in remote areas so far from a doctor Kathy Neff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [results]
#...@#@ In a word...YUK! Sure shines up those rods though. ## Started a batch with 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in DS. Run for 2 hrs at .8ma. Bubbles bubbles everywhere and stuck on all glass surfaces, nice T.E.,slightly cloudy white, sour/bitter flavor with nasty aftertaste..not just a clean metallic bite, little darkening of either prod, no deposits, bubbles stuck all over the bottom even after sitting all night. What the heck did I make? KD'C At 11:41 AM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: ## An odd little experiment. I got to wondering what would happen if i ran a generator on pure h2o2 hydrogen peroxide. When i submerged used rods into the h2o2 they instantly started releasing bubbles even before applying power. I dipped a new silver rod into h2o2 and it didn't bubble...another old one did. The h2o2 ate up all the black stuff that was trapped in the pitted surface of the old silver rod and cleaned it quite effectively. Going back to the generator. I had to disable the voltage referencing circuit because the h2o2 was too conductive telling my generator to turn off. Running at a regulated current of .8 ma. It violently bubbled on both rods for a few minutes [oxygen release??]then one rod started producing twice as many bubbles as the other [normal hydrolysis??]...no black stuff yet...no color at all...got a fine strong T.E. very quickly. [not present in the h2o2] After 40 minutes: One rod darkening a little and still bubbling half as much as the other, the other emmitting violent bubbles appearing white. Still no color...fine T.E., no sparkles, no deposits. Note: When hydrogen peroxide is depleted, distilled water is all that's left. Could be a great way to start a batch of CS? [Add a little hydrogen peroxide to the distilled water] That's next. It certainly cleans the rods! [even with no power] Gotta try it on a REALLY black rod and see what happens to the h202. KD'C/ k...@czen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly reduced. If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of the water and makes what I call a gray floater. Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? KD'C At 12:58 PM 4/7/00 -0700, you wrote: I was told that I could clean my electrodes with H2O2 hydrogen peroxide but not to leave them in too long because the peroxide would eat the electrodes up. I have cleaned them occasionally this way but never left them in to test out whether it was true or not that the peroxide would eat the silver away. --BA - Original Message - From: coyote coy...@alltel.net Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ## An odd little experiment. I got to wondering what would happen if i ran a generator on pure h2o2 hydrogen peroxide. When i submerged used rods into the h2o2 they instantly started releasing bubbles even before applying power. I dipped a new silver rod into h2o2 and it didn't bubble...another old one did. The h2o2 ate up all the black stuff that was trapped in the pitted surface of the old silver rod and cleaned it quite effectively..KD'C/ k...@czen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net Paying $5 to $20 an ounce for colloidal silver? Make your own, often higher quality, colloidal silver at home for 5 cents a gallon with the Coyote Zenterprizes Current controlled Colloidal Silver Generator. Specs based on Bob Becks research. http://www.silverpuppy.com
CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ## An odd little experiment. Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. I breathed it up my nose. I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would not be too strong to try this with. What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. I ran into my daughters room and said I can hear better! (I have tinnitus and it is effecting my hearing). W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? H...I keep wondering about this. Comments appreciated! Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
Hi KD'C, What strength H2O2 are you using, I would guess 3% as you put some in your mouth without burning it! I have posted experiments (along with others) in the past, using 50% H2O2. If you care to check the archives, you may find the answers to most of your questions there. H2O2 does react with pure metallic silver, in fact passing high concentration H2O2 through a silver mesh is a method used in DIY rocket engines! A small length (10mm) of new silver wire was left in 100mls of 50% H2O2 for a few days. A small stream of bubbles emanated from the silver and the concentration of silver ions in the solution increased from zero to well above 20ppm, as measured by Ion Selective Electrode (ISE). There was no silver oxide. A nasty brew of dirty grey (inclusion of large uncharged metallic colloids, emanating from the cathode) CS was created, there was much fallout on the bottom of the container. Some of this colloid was taken, to which a few ml of 50% H2O2 was added. A great cloud of minute bubbles formed immediately, which were so small that the solution looked milky, and the Tyndal beam showed a shower of sparklies. Within a few hours the solution was completely clear, showing very little Tyndal effect. The concentration of silver ions increased as the solution cleared. I concluded that the H2O2 oxidised the metallic silver particles as it reduced to O2 gas and water, forming free silver ions and not silver oxide. You talk of the 'oxide load', what do you mean? Is this the build up on the neg. cathode or pos. anode, fall out on the bottom of the container or floaters on the solution surface, or colour in the solution? Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 00:46 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly reduced. If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of the water and makes what I call a gray floater. Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? KD'C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
Hi Kathy, I do that too...once you get past the stinging, which travels through the whole sinus :-(, the sinus is left amazingly clear as you note :-) Certainly sounds like you over did it a bit, but it also sounds as if you have uncovered a deep-seated infection. Whether the illness relates to an immune response an infection clean up or invading H2O2 damage to the nasal tissue I couldn't say, but I have read where, after H2O2 therapy, tumours detached from a fellows throat and bled so much that the wound needed cauterising. I'm not saying you had a tumour!!! Just that it is possible to react with pathogenic masses with resultant bleeding. However I do urge you to be careful, I would hate to think that you are damaging your nasal tissue! Kind regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: mzo...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 06:24 Subject: CSRE: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky] In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Subject: CShydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] ## An odd little experiment. Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. I breathed it up my nose. I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would not be too strong to try this with. What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. I ran into my daughters room and said I can hear better! (I have tinnitus and it is effecting my hearing). W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? H...I keep wondering about this. Comments appreciated! Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
