Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on the buttrich tip i'm not a self declared fan but i do very very like his remix for tracey horn the man brings the synth all in http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/mp3/Tracey%20Thorn%20-%20Its%20All%20True%20Martin%20Buttrich%20Mix.mp3 Thomas D. Cox, Jr. schreef: On 2/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Full Clip by Martin Buttrich is very very ace for me! one piece of beautiful crafted music - one of my fave releases of the last year i bought it based on the clips i heard on his myspace when someone posted about it here. upon receiving

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Full Clip by Martin Buttrich is very very ace for me! one piece of beautiful crafted music - one of my fave releases of the last year didn't yet hear the Lazy Fat People EP but apart from that, I'm very happy to see Planet E releasing (new/upcoming) other artists let the talents flow Thomas

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread Jari Tolkkinen
Just got my copy of the new Amp Fiddler and I have to say CC makes the beats sound VERY fat. I have a terrible non-hifi setup for mixin purposes and I was really surprised how good it sounds. Can't wait to play this on a big sound system :) ---

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not that impressed by the new batch (renaissance-of-other-artists-than-C2) of Planet Es. lazy fat people sounded good enough from the clips to order it, though i was already ordering something else. i think the vince watson and the marti

FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me be the first to say that that Amp Fiddler mix doesn't sound like those others! ;-) Dunno about that Lazy Fat People though, the clips I've heard of his mix aren't long enough to tell. The other tracks sound dodgy (to me) though. Not that impressed by the new batch (renaissance-of-othe

FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK someone more in the business of doing so is hosting it so I'll pull it from our site. You can use their bandwidth instead! I'm leaving that other clip http://www.thatamazingthing.com/Mixes/DSRexcerpt.mp3 up until someone IDs it though (hint) ;-) > -Original Message- > From: P.

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
no probs, everyone does that. at least you didn't call me aids. thanks for the mix! On 14/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry Aidan I meant "Aidan" not "Adrian" ;-)

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread David Powers
Thank you so much!!! I've been interested in this mix for about 4 months but could never find a link... ~David On 2/14/07, P.A. Keur BICT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This does not exacly add much to this thread, but here is the link to the original page it is hosted on: http://www.hitechfunk.com/

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread P.A. Keur BICT
This does not exacly add much to this thread, but here is the link to the original page it is hosted on: http://www.hitechfunk.com/hitechfunk/2006/08/strictly_carl_c.html On 2/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry Aidan I meant "Aidan" not "Adrian" ;-)

FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry Aidan I meant "Aidan" not "Adrian" ;-)

FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For Adrian I've stuck it on our site for a little bit. So might as well let you all know in case anyone else wants to grab too. Check that Reese Proj Tom - I must have listened to it on holiday 10 times a day for a few days after I first heard it on the mix. Just thought - "wait a minute what

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These are the ones: > Chez Damier - Help Myself (Craig Mix)-KMS > Reese Project - I Believe(Craig Dub)-Giant/ Warner yeah i just got that chez damier in detroit last year on the fresh repress style, one of carl's great mixes for sure.

FW: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ben you're THE MAN! Was just searching away on LD (only references to Pacou were tracks of his in mixes) and Discogs (lots of references to him there where it's seems unpopular with a few people!) on BTs advice but was drawing blanks. These are the ones: > Chez Damier - Help Myself (Craig M

Re: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
jeepers, got a link to the mix? On 14/02/07, Ben Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: T.Brookes+A.Soul - City LIfe (Craigs Caya Dub) -RushHour Carl Craig - 4 My Peepz-planet e Carl Craig - Darkness/ Angel-planet e Johnny L - This Time (Craig Mix) - XL Paperclip People - Throw-planet e Quadrant

Re: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread Ben Britz
T.Brookes+A.Soul - City LIfe (Craigs Caya Dub) -RushHour Carl Craig - 4 My Peepz-planet e Carl Craig - Darkness/ Angel-planet e Johnny L - This Time (Craig Mix) - XL Paperclip People - Throw-planet e Quadrant - Infinition(Craig MIx)-planet e Psyche-Andromeda(Craig Mix)-Transmat SpaceTime Continuum

Re: FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-14 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (talking of Discogs, weirdness yesterday, I could only pull up a Carl Craig page that listed "Feel The Fire" plus 3 or 4 mixes as being the only thing he'd done. I thought "no good going on about it on 313 - it's a community, tell them"

Re: (313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread David Beattie
Hi Francis, im pretty sure that the Pacou mix came from the discogs forum initially - I had a quick search and can find reference to the mix but not a tracklisting, im sure that with a bit more digging you will get it there or on Little Detroit. Cheers BT --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

(313) Carl Craig tracks I don't know (from Pacou mix)

2007-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Title says it all really. I've said on this list before I seem to spend all my time listening to clips of new 12"s at record shop sites. Often with little reward as there doesn't seem that much good new stuff out to justify doing that, instead of what I should be, which is: 1. Listening to t

FW: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Things that spin off from this one... > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 February 2007 16:38 > > Can I add a vote for some old mixes as still being pretty amazing? Absolutely - this thread was generally active while I was off on holid

RE: (313) Carl Craig Remixes

2007-02-07 Thread bvl
Can I add a vote for some old mixes as still being pretty amazing? I was listening to last.fm yesterday and Carl's remix of Spacetime Continuum's "Kairo" came on. Still one of my favorite CC mixes ever! Another forgotten favorite: Carl's remix of Can's "Future Days". I love the way that build and

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread robin
oh god... why are we all going on about this again!?? :) :) cos it's better than Indian-talk? *gets coat* robin...

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Derek Plaslaiko.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: i mean if by "formula" you mean the guy makes tracks that build instead of just loopy tracks, i guess thats true. but if you wanna hear formulaic dance music (Stuff that literally sounds exactly the same with different samples) check the jungle pro

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread robin
Ill throw in the Kult Copy remix for another incredible mix. that one was pretty nice too, i thikn i prefer the original though. i agree, same with the terry brookes too. And, while there are some exceptions, I do feel that as of the last couple years (read 2004 - present) Carl has most

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/7/07, Derek Plaslaiko. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ill throw in the Kult Copy remix for another incredible mix. that one was pretty nice too, i thikn i prefer the original though. And, while there are some exceptions, I do feel that as of the last couple years (read 2004 - present) Carl

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Derek Plaslaiko.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: i feel pretty much the same way. i like it, but i prefer the original and almost never play the remix. and yeah, some of the other ones mentioned (xpress 2, terry brookes, goldfrap, etc) are the ones i just didnt buy because they werent very go

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread robin
Well, I listed that one as being one of his formulaic releases but I love the bit later on when the the bongos (or whatever they're called) and pianos come in. Ace. The way that track builds is very similar to the other tracks I list though. robin... I do love the ones you mentioned though,

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread António Alves Felizardo
id add "hot on the heels of love", "angola", "la mer es grande", and "the boy is doing it". all of which are very distinctive! It's possible your speculation has some grain of truth but it seems doubtful really. Also, note, I'm not saying that there are some remixes he's done which I'm not th

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/7/07, David Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, maybee im wrong on this - I did say in my original post that I got shot down at a party for saying it and might here too. Just for clarification the ones I was thinking of were Delia and Gonzales this one sounds like the original but with

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread David Beattie
--- "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/7/07, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yeah, I'm with Tom on this! Strange one from you > Dave! :) > > > > I tried to piece together some recent C2 remixes > in my mind and I can't > > see such a pattern - although strictly s

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
also, anyone know anything about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/898512 ? tom On 2/7/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/7/07, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I'm with Tom on this! Strange one from you Dave! :) > > I tried to piece together some rec

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/7/07, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, I'm with Tom on this! Strange one from you Dave! :) I tried to piece together some recent C2 remixes in my mind and I can't see such a pattern - although strictly speaking, BT wasn't calling one - that was Antonio. The last few which stoo

RE: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Odeluga, Ken
o: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig Remix Yeah, I'm with Tom on this! Strange one from you Dave! :) I tried to piece together some recent C2 remixes in my mind and I can't see such a pattern - although strictly speaking, BT wasn't calling one - th

RE: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Odeluga, Ken
;m not saying that there are some remixes he's done which I'm not that impressed by: I thought 'Falling Up' (his remix of it) was just slightly above-average, in the end. Likeable, but not brilliant. Ken -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread robin
Hmm I dunno Tom, some of these C2 mixes are very formulaic. Things like that Darkness rework (Max Mix) he did, and things like that Xpress2 Kill 100 track, Terry Brookes remix, that Delia and Gavin Mix, even that Falling Up mix. Don't get me wrong though, I still be em all but they are a lit

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread David Beattie
--- "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what exactly are the similarities in his recent > remixes aside from the > fact that a large number of them are ridiculously > dope? i cant think > of two that sound the same, or even similar. > > i cant believe c2 would get hated on for bein

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 2/7/07, David Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I got shot down at a party (and probobly will here too) for suggesting that he has a program that he just inputs records that people want mixes of and it churns them out. Or that he has outsourced the remix duties to India like so many corporat

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread David Beattie
--- António Alves Felizardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another one of his epic > trancetastic reworks > he seems to enjoy doing as of lately. I got shot down at a party (and probobly will here too) for suggesting that he has a program that he just inputs records that people want mixes of and i

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Placid
ginal Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 February 2007 12:43 To: 313 List Subject: (313) Carl Craig Remix Has anyone heard Carl's remix of In the Trees by Faze Action, heard a couple of people going on about how big it is...Coming out on Juno's new label... m

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Placid
ruary 2007 12:43 To: 313 List Subject: (313) Carl Craig Remix Has anyone heard Carl's remix of In the Trees by Faze Action, heard a couple of people going on about how big it is...Coming out on Juno's new label... m

RE: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Paul Kendrick
Martin I 2nd that, and Matt must be pleased that a label like Rekids which is massive at present has picked it up. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 February 2007 13:40 To: Nick Hardie Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix On 7 Feb 2007

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread António Alves Felizardo
, at 12:47 PM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I wonder if it's a new remix or was done at the time? Still, sounds interesting. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 February 2007 12:43 To: 313 List Subject: (313) Carl Craig Remix Has anyone heard Carl's r

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Martin Dust
On 7 Feb 2007, at 13:35, Nick Hardie wrote: Haven't heard it yet, but apparently it was in last week's Essential Mix (fifth from last rack according to below), so should be easy enough to track down... Sunday 4th February Radio Slave Matt O'Brien 'Serotone (Radio Slave's Panorama Garage Mix)'

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Nick Hardie
Haven't heard it yet, but apparently it was in last week's Essential Mix (fifth from last rack according to below), so should be easy enough to track down... Sunday 4th February Radio Slave Trentemoller 'Moan (Radio Slave's Mix For K)' (Poker Flat) B.F.G 'Bubble Dancing (Radio Slave Remix)' (Goo

RE: (313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Odeluga, Ken
I wonder if it's a new remix or was done at the time? Still, sounds interesting. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 February 2007 12:43 To: 313 List Subject: (313) Carl Craig Remix Has anyone heard Carl's remix of In the Trees by Faze Actio

(313) Carl Craig Remix

2007-02-07 Thread Martin Dust
Has anyone heard Carl's remix of In the Trees by Faze Action, heard a couple of people going on about how big it is...Coming out on Juno's new label... m

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout --- more like Live / mastering / blah blah blah

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Dust
On 31 Jan 2007, at 18:45, Todd Sines wrote: well, the compilations mastered were then loaded in and checked at the pressing plant before going to GMCD. but yeah, that's basically it. Crikey this wasn't the case for the Fabric mix. Did they send it away to have all the good bits taken

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout --- more like Live / mastering / blah blah blah

2007-01-31 Thread Todd Sines
well, the compilations mastered were then loaded in and checked at the pressing plant before going to GMCD. but yeah, that's basically it. this wasn't the case for the Fabric mix. +odd -- Martin Dust wrote: On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:42, Todd Sines wrote: I use unstretched WAVs + AIFs, so it nev

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout --- more like Live / mastering / blah blah blah

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Dust
On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:42, Todd Sines wrote: I use unstretched WAVs + AIFs, so it never gets run through Live's Warping engine. It's basically working as a VST / AU wrapper. I could be doing it with Peak or Sound Forge but I don't. A lot easier to keep track of 20 songs on a compilation CD

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/31/07, punkdISCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes its technical, sometimes its just "here are 3 clips from A, B and C". well a technical comparison is really all that matters. either something is exactly the same digitally or its not. whatever the limitations of your ears are is irrel

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread punkdISCO
Hi Tom "how are they compared? it seems like RMSE (root mean square error) would compare them well, and even a small difference can amount to great error" Sometimes its technical, sometimes its just "here are 3 clips from A, B and C". "i personally dont care which is better, so all im interested

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread punkdISCO
"lol, Live is absolutely inappropriate for mastering tracks." It might not be the normal choice but there are no reasons why it can't be used. "Unless you are using unstretched WAVs, your output from live is going to sound degraded." For sure. ANY stretching algorithms will have an effect of th

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread dave cronin
in the multiple "studies" i've read, they're typically compared by phase inverting one of the tracks and mixing them. in every case that i've read about, they've summed to silence, which means the tracks are identical. i actually feel like i can hear what Martin's talking about, so I keep looking

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/31/07, punkdISCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1) WAV file imported into DAW_A 2) WAV then processed using some hi end pluggin 3) track bounced to a new WAV This is repeated in Live and other DAWs and then the bounced versions are compared. how are they compared? it seems like RMSE (root me

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout --- more like Live / mastering / blah blah blah

2007-01-31 Thread Todd Sines
ot;punkdISCO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote: "You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things sound

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread /0
;313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote: "You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)" Thi

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread punkdISCO
Hi again "Disagree, I can hear the difference in our studio - it's massive enough for anyone to spot, which is why we wire Live through a desk before the sound goes anywhere but I'd never use it to master anything in a million years. Each to their own I guess..." It is interesting that you say an

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Dust
On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote: "You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)" This one comes up all the time despite the numerous tests that people have setup over the years. The fact is that the interna

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread punkdISCO
"You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)" This one comes up all the time despite the numerous tests that people have setup over the years. The fact is that the internal sound engine in Live is no less superior to a

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Odeluga, Ken
s so I can't speak for those.) I could also cite the mp3s and FLACs from bleep.com as apparently being reproduced from more tastefully-compressed masters than the norm, it seems to me. Ken -Original Message- From: punkdISCO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2007 18:29 To: 313@h

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Dust
I also do some compilation CD mastering and import all of the CD tracks into Live, use a multi-band compressor on it all, match the levels from song to song and normalize it. Haven't had a complaint yet. now, as for getting on the microphone and adding to all of the tracks your own MC'ing..

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread David Beattie
t; > -Original Message- > From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 30 January 2007 17:29 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout > > He probably engineered it himself though... > Mastering is usually handled > > b

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-31 Thread Odeluga, Ken
uld not be passed as fit for release by CC? He's not alone amongst recording artists for being a stickler, but it's clear that he is one.) K -Original Message- From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2007 17:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Carl Cra

Re: (313) Carl Craig

2007-01-31 Thread P.A. Keur BICT
Thanks for sharing! On 1/30/07, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, thanks for sharing Martin...listening now. robin... Martin Dust wrote: > No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it... > >

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
Maybe we all need switchable phono stages. On Jan 30, 2007, at 15:55, robin wrote: I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say "'don't listen to it" otherwise you would not listen to anythin

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread robin
I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say "'don't listen to it" otherwise you would not listen to anything produced in the last decade. Sure, in your example you got the originals but for

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
. Basically. k-money -Original Message- From: Jamil Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: kent williams; Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout From the prairie cat FAQ: http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Martin Dust
On 30 Jan 2007, at 19:54, Jamil Ali wrote: From the prairie cat FAQ: http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html Sounds relevant, though I don't really get it.. This may help explain a little more... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYf4u-oEqhI

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Jamil Ali
From the prairie cat FAQ: http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html Q: Why do my import records sound louder? A: The standard for mastering vinyl in certain European countries is different than what we have in America. One big difference is that these "import" records have a zero level setti

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread kent williams
Ron Murphy does a pretty good job of doing just enough when he cuts that there is still some dynamics left. The Prairie Cat guy (who did a lot of 430 West records) is the same way. They both cut really well-balanced records. There's plenty of limiting and compression involved, they just don't

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/30/07, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem with tracks like the Theo is that they will basically be a massive kick with not much around it. Either you play it so the kicks match the level of other tracks, in which case the 'music' besides the kick will really quiet, or you

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Robert Taylor
The vast majority of the listening public wouldn't notice a thing, believe me Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: punkdISCO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2007 18:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE:

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread kent williams
The problem with tracks like the Theo is that they will basically be a massive kick with not much around it. Either you play it so the kicks match the level of other tracks, in which case the 'music' besides the kick will really quiet, or you push the level, so that the limiter on the sound syst

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread punkdISCO
Hi Tom "listen to NCS mastering jobs on many records out of detroit, its not the case on those... its definitely more of a problem with euro/UK records." I was not aware of this and its good to know that some people are brave enough to say 'screw you'.. See you, Paul London www.punkdisco.co

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say "'don't listen to it" otherwise you would not listen to anything produced in the last decade. Sure, in

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread punkdISCO
Hi Gil "If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it" etc I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say "'don't listen to it" otherwise you would not listen to anything produced in the last decade. S

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/30/07, Gil Yaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeeze, why debate? If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it. Personally I think most remastered reissues sound like crap. Take the Inner Life & Jocelyn Brown anthology on salsoul uk. They eff'd up all the mixes by remastering it for today's sy

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At the danger of over simplifying things, DJs are probably the biggest single culprits for the loss of dynamics in today's music. Its DJs who don't play the quieter tracks. Its DJs that will play a heavily compressed (loud) track on the club's P

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Gil Yaker
Jeeze, why debate? If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it. Personally I think most remastered reissues sound like crap. Take the Inner Life & Jocelyn Brown anthology on salsoul uk. They eff'd up all the mixes by remastering it for today's systems (and CDs) that can take more highs and lows t

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread punkdISCO
"look at early theo parrish records in a wav editor. the peaks of the kicks will be hitting at 0 and the rest will be at -25dB or some ridiculous nonsense like that" At the danger of over simplifying things, DJs are probably the biggest single culprits for the loss of dynamics in today's music. I

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its only artists on the fringes that would ever dare not to compress the hell out of their tracks. look at early theo parrish records in a wav editor. the peaks of the kicks will be hitting at 0 and the rest will be at -25dB or some ridiculous n

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread punkdISCO
"I opened it in Sound Forge to have a look. At least 50% of the mix must have been in the red when it was recorded." ..just to repeat what a few people have said - this almost certainly will not be clipping, just heavy compressing. As a test, open up any commercial recording in SoundForge and it

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Robert Taylor
Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2007 17:14 To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout I think after all my years of clubbing I don't have "musician's sensitive

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Todd Sines
He probably engineered it himself though... Mastering is usually handled by the label to give it a second listen with fresh ears. I engineered the Death in Vegas mix for Richard Fearless for Fabric. Levels were adjusted by me and then adjusted again by the mastering facility that Fabric uses.

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread robin
Agreed. In any case, Carl Craig didn't master this so it's a silly reason not to buy his mixes.

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Williams, Graham
sday, January 30, 2007 5:01 PM To: Williams, Graham; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout I have it and love it but never notice these things as I don't have a musician's sensitive ears Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Gui

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
In any case, Carl Craig didn't master this so it's a silly reason not to buy his mixes. On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:57, robin wrote: Is it not just really squashed with a compressor rather than clipped? The two situations look the same in a wave editor (still doesn't help the sound quality iss

Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread robin
Is it not just really squashed with a compressor rather than clipped? The two situations look the same in a wave editor (still doesn't help the sound quality issue though, I hate "squashed" mastering). Kent? :) robin... Williams, Graham wrote: I recently bought "The Workout" mix cd, I have

RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Robert Taylor
7 16:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout I recently bought "The Workout" mix cd, I haven't bought a cd in years, but what a disappointment, when I was listen to it, it sounded a bit rough, kinda like it was clipping, so I opened it in Sound Forge to have a look. At

(313) Carl Craig :: The Workout

2007-01-30 Thread Williams, Graham
I recently bought "The Workout" mix cd, I haven't bought a cd in years, but what a disappointment, when I was listen to it, it sounded a bit rough, kinda like it was clipping, so I opened it in Sound Forge to have a look. At least 50% of the mix must have been in the red when it was recorded. What

Re: (313) Carl Craig

2007-01-30 Thread robin
Yeah, thanks for sharing Martin...listening now. robin... Martin Dust wrote: No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it...

Re: (313) Carl Craig

2007-01-30 Thread Martin Dust
No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it... m On 30 Jan 2007, at 16:36, Placid wrote: nice one, was hoping it would appear on mp3 not just as a stream... p Martin Dust wrote: Pretty cool... http://www.zshare.net/download/carl_craig_- _live___demon_days_presents-

Re: (313) Carl Craig

2007-01-30 Thread Placid
nice one, was hoping it would appear on mp3 not just as a stream... p Martin Dust wrote: Pretty cool... http://www.zshare.net/download/carl_craig_-_live___demon_days_presents-_samuraifm__-_january__2007-mp3.html

(313) Carl Craig

2007-01-30 Thread Martin Dust
Pretty cool... http://www.zshare.net/download/carl_craig_-_live___demon_days_presents-_samuraifm__-_january__2007-mp3.html

(313) Carl Craig article in new Fader mag

2006-11-27 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
3 pages - reading it now about his move toward darker sounds/feelings MEK

(313) Re: Michael Mayer Re: (313) Carl Craig Mix was Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)

2006-11-22 Thread robin
nah, that's from last(!) year: I just went on the link at the bottom, but yeah you are right. booo :) robin...

(313) Michael Mayer Re: (313) Carl Craig Mix was Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)

2006-11-22 Thread Carlos de Brito
erreal.Org 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Betreff: (313) Carl Craig Mix was Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP) > > There's a Carl Craig mix on there from last week. > > http://www.beatsinspace.net/main.html > > Not listened yet.

(313) Carl Craig Mix was Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)

2006-11-22 Thread robin
There's a Carl Craig mix on there from last week. http://www.beatsinspace.net/main.html Not listened yet. robin... When I think of these tracks that aren't sure if they're trance or techno, I think about what Stacey Pullen is spinning these days. This beats in space mix is a good example

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix Of X-Press 2

2006-11-14 Thread Cyclone Wehner
I like some of his stuff, others not my taste. That Creature of The Night mix-CD I enjoyed though. On 14/11/2006, at 9:20 PM, JSS wrote: you can get some of his edits here http://birth-school-work- death.blogspot.com/ at the moment including an old essential mix scroll down to november 11 pr

Re: (313) Carl Craig Remix Of X-Press 2

2006-11-14 Thread JSS
you can get some of his edits here http://birth-school-work-death.blogspot.com/ at the moment including an old essential mix scroll down to november 11 pretty poor some of them it has to be said... On 11/14/06, Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I heard the Radio Slave mix on his mix-CD a

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