Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

yeap 3.5 its in google head but it would not be a google fiber replacement like 60 ghz On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > what do you pay these contractors and for what work? > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson > wrote: > >> Yes? (pops head out of hole

Re: [AFMUG] B11

LOL, what part of this is “super cheap” (from an earlier post) ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Blake Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 All in for a Huawei RTN-380 including brackets, antennas, software, licensing, cable

Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG suppressor success story

You slowing down in your old age Josh? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG suppressor success story If you use Gmail you could simply star it or label it in 0.37 seconds... Josh Lut

[AFMUG] Packetflux sync

We had to replace one of our old sync injectors with one of the newer ones (H1). One the old one I had a serial port I could plug into to check the GPS status. Is there anything like that on the new one? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies,

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux sync

You need the deluxe version to do that. It's like $20 more Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 11, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: > > We had to replace one of our old sync injectors with one of the newer > ones (H1). One the old one I had a serial port I

[AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many us

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host. The challenge is keeping up with the security updates. I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage. Jim Bouse Owner Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 j...@brazoswifi.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

Lewis, Convergence Technologies has a hosted PBX solution that you can re-sell for very reasonable rates. Think its like $9.99/month per device. They can port local numbers as well. I went with them because there was absolutely no upfront hardware costs and i don't have to have any equipment on si

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I think the core issue is not one system better than another, but a clear evaluation of of related activities. i.e. Full features of build vs buy (Billing / CDR, Rating, Provisioning, LCR and Account abuse management, last one being very important) How much internal resources does one have av

Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

I saw this in action today from Microsoft. I didn't see 15, but I did see up to 3 megs for a 1.5 meg customer. I saw up to 190 connections in torch. I took a packet capture on the upstream interface and sent it over to one of my Microsoft contacts. She may not be the right person, but she's been

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux sync

No, you need a base unit to pull the data out of the newer injectors. Or you can hook a deluxe syncpipe up to a radio directly. On Aug 11, 2016 6:38 AM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies" wrote: > We had to replace one of our old sync injectors with one of the newer > ones (H1). One the old one I h

Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

At least I haven’t seen a repeat of what happened 4 weeks ago with 100-150 Mbps to a 3 Mbps customer. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload I saw this in action today from Microsoft. I didn't see 15, but I did see up to 3

Re: [AFMUG] B11

When they figure a way around this let me know: C=B Log2 ((1+S/N) (Shannon/Hartley) From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 wow 10Gbps over wireless? Give it a couple years and there will be an 80ghz Airfiber doing these speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux sync

Forrest, will an old SiteMonitor Base A0 work? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at Please Donate at http:

Re: [AFMUG] Increase PMP100 900 MHz Stability in High Noise?

Like primary channel and backup channels? Seems like they could store in RAM what the most recently connected channel was, and scan that channel a few times before going through the whole scan list. Seems like it would reduce the service impact of a re-reg. Just sayin Is Aaron Schneider

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX . Buy a trunk or two with channels and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage…. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@si

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

What are folks using for CPE? > On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski > wrote: > > We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels and > share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment and > yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….

Re: [AFMUG] B11

There are bumper stickers “Obey Gravity ... It’s the Law”. Maybe you need to sell Shannon’s Law bumper stickers. Ooops, it’s Shannon’s THEOREM. So you can be a Shannon denier. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 When they figure

[AFMUG] Heliax loss

What is loss of LDF4 @930mhz?

Re: [AFMUG] Heliax loss

2.138 dB http://www.qsl.net/co8tw/Coax_Calculator.htm From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Heliax loss What is loss of LDF4 @930mhz?

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux sync

Yep. It should. Might need a firmware update. On Aug 11, 2016 8:38 AM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies" wrote: > Forrest, > > will an old SiteMonitor Base A0 work? > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.MyakkaTech.com >

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Partner companies do the construction phase and drops/splicing. I contract out the CPE/ONT and inside install for $50 an install. I also contract LinkTechs for larger scale mikrotik programming and configuration. I have a local company and other local people on contract for help with site main

Re: [AFMUG] Heliax loss

322 ft...!!! That's what need... I am going suggest different size cable or moving MDS radio closer to antenna. Not sure why they want antenna so high, clean LOS at 60 ft level where antenna is now... Oh well it's work. On Aug 11, 2016 9:30 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > 2.138 dB > http://www.

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

An ONT install is $50??? Are these tiny Chinese children? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 11, 2016 11:50 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > Partner companies do the construction phase and drops/splicing. > > > > I contract out

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Bonobos From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? An ONT install is $50??? Are these tiny Chinese children? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [AFMUG] Heliax loss

That was per 100 feet. But yeah, 7 dB is worth trying to reclaim. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Heliax loss 322 ft...!!! That's what need... I am going suggest different size cable or moving MDS radio closer to antenna.

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Ah, sorry, all of the outside box and splice are already done (NID). So this is very similar to a CPE install for wireless, only no roof work. The installer places the ONT device in the NID and connects up the house Ethernet to it. They usually cross-connect the Cat5e inside the house to a port

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

You've already got the NIDs at all of the houses and then you charge $50 for activation? Why/how did you get every house wired and ready before they signed up for service? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:1

[AFMUG] Special Assessment

Has anyone here ever done a special assessment funded project? I have a couple of examples in Utah/Idaho, but am looking for specific examples and advice from my provider friends here. I'm not sure if it's called something else in other states so this is what I have been told: You talk to a la

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

No, sorry, the customer asks for connection, THEN we construct the ‘drop’ conduit and fiber/NID and schedule installation. So there is a different cost item for the drop construction to prepare it for inside installation. Does that make more sense? This would only be for areas/neighborhoods th

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

No, but tell me more... please! -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:21 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Special Assessment Has anyone here ever done a special assessment funded project? I have a couple of examples in Utah/Idaho, but am l

Re: [AFMUG] Heliax loss

Yes... I figured with connectors and Polyphaser, they are pushing it. On Aug 11, 2016 10:05 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: That was per 100 feet. But yeah, 7 dB is worth trying to reclaim. *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:00 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] He

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Chuck, I know very little at the moment, but am investigating the possibility. I do know Utoptia did something similar in Brigham City I think, and there might be a new example in Idaho, just waiting on particulars. I also have another interesting funding example I am pursuing in one neighborho

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

That does yes :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 11, 2016 12:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > No, sorry, the customer asks for connection, THEN we construct the ‘drop’ > conduit and fiber/NID and schedule installation. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Brigham City was a disaster. I went up at the request of the city council several times to see if we could fix the problem. UTOPIA told BC that they owned all the OSP and it didn't matter that the city had paid off the debt they did not have control over the fiber. It was worse in Perry. Th

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

I agree on the support side. How do you utilize linktechs to program your mikrotiks from remote? do you power them up on a bench they have remote access to? - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

I love watching you guys think :) - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment Chuck, I know very little at the moment, but am investigating the possibility. I do know Uto

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

I agree, Utopia had severe issues. That is what I am trying to learn from and avoid. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment Brigham City was a

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So far I have used them mostly for large sweeping changes in my network topology. They programmed my OSPF and MPLS/VPLS stuff en mass, remotely. Which took a lot less time than I would have taken, and went a lot smoother. Dennis did most, if not all, of the work himself. He was awesome to work wi

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

You better build in an additional 100% for overhead costs... I would imagine you would have to start doing audited tax returns and financials every year. You will also have to have someone tracking every single expense and what it is attached to, etc. Then you will have all the overhead and ad

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Yeah, good people find themselves in legal trouble all the time when getting involved with guvmnt money. Less than zero tolerance for even the appearance of evil. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sp

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Definitely. Travis, are you just generally saying the money comes with strings attached, or do you have actual specific experience with Special Assessment in this manner? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

We are using mostly grandstream ATA. We are mainly using this platform for Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CAN

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Just saying that government money is never what it's cracked up to be. I've never taken a single dime (loan, grant, tax, assessment, etc) and probably never will, with any of my companies. It's just not worth all the extra work and headaches. If you have a sound business plan and operation, jus

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they would be super terrible and cheesy, given how weird the name is. Then I bought a SIP-T22P for $60 to test out and was pleasantly surprised. The http setup interface is quite full featured and the phones are very easy to use with Asterisk/FreePBX. I

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

The folks from Alaska I work for seem to know how to work the system... They keep getting some choice government contracts. On Aug 11, 2016 11:16 AM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > Just saying that government money is never what it's cracked up to be. > I've never taken a single dime (loan, grant, ta

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Ah, ok. Fiber is way more capital intensive than the WISP I had, and requires massive funding. So my traditional sources and avenues for borrowing don't even come close to matching up with the demand and cost of construction. Too bad banks don't see fiber/conduit build as collateral. That is

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Might be worth calling these guys: http://www.cobank.com/About-CoBank.aspx -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment Ah, ok. Fiber is way more capital intensive than the WISP I had, and

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Thanks for that, I'll give it a try, though I doubt they will see it as rural. We do have some large farms in the city still... -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux sync

Forrest, OK, think i need to order some updated equipment. I have some B Sync Pipes, these didn't seem to work with the H sync injectors. Do the latest Sync Pipes work with the H injectors? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

I'm more in Travis's camp, but maybe for different reasons. The accounting and auditing stuff hasn't been difficult to deal withif you're keeping good records anyway, then it's not bad. You may just have to be more anal than you're used to. For everything we bought with the people's mone

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Ok, that’s helpful. I haven’t talked to ALL banks of course, but any bank so far that I have talked to don’t fund anything unless its tied to real estate or equipment they can value at half market value and sell off immediately. That’s been my limited experience, so if you have a fiber friendly

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

Andreas, how is the management? can you provide your customer with user access to their pbx instances? What HW are you running them on? On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski < andr...@silowireless.com> wrote: > We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX . Buy a trunk or two with channels

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I always felt Yealinks felt EXTREMELY cheap, but in terms of function I've heard nothing bad. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they wo

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

Really looking for a platform that has as close to zero phone config as possible. Easy management, hopefully someone to do all the 911 and so forth as that was a pain last time. The ability to copy phone configs would be nice. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > I always felt Y

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Look into USDA matching grants for broadband. Can't remember if it's 20 or 30% up front, but they provide the rest. Avoid RUS, too many strings. On Aug 11, 2016 12:28 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > Ah, ok. > > Fiber is way more capital intensive than the WISP I had, and requires > massive fun

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Tell them you are adjoining Eagle Mountain... -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment Thanks for that, I'll give it a try, though I doubt they will see it as rural. We do have some la

[AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

Probably a dump question, but is there any downside with using a AF‑5G30‑S45 to use with Mikrotik radios? I wouldn’t expect the X polarity to hurt performance, but don’t want to assume. We have some links to put up that long term may become AirFiber 5X links, thus the thought. Paul McCall,

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

BOTH sides should be slant. That's it. One slant and one VH you'll lose I think 15db? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > Probably a dump question, but is there any downside with

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

You'll lose 1-3db (depends how the implementation sums signal strengths) if one is side slant polarization and the other V/H, but the path may be only MIMO-A, depends how good the wi-fi chipset is at distinguishing both signals as being different by their phase irregardless of both coming in on bot

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

You lose, but not quite that bad: 20*Log (Cos(angle)) = 3.01 dB From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios BOTH sides should be slant. That's it. One slant and one VH you'll lose I thin

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

Didn't cambium say that you can receive slant using a hpol/vpol cpe and not loose any performance? Or is that with cambium CPE's only? On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > You lose, but not quite that bad: > > 20*Log (Cos(angle)) = 3.01 dB > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

Yes they did say that, and I read the white paper, and I think I understood it at the time. I think they used some kind of special sauce to make that true though. I don’t think it would apply to any two radios. From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

You lose ~3db from the cross to linear polarization difference. But I assume you win ~3db from the incoming signal now being received and summed by 2 antennas. >From my understanding, say you have 30db signal. Instead of getting signal A on port A at 30db and signal B on port B at 30db, you get: -

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

It's built into the chipset of the ePMP 1000 (which is the same as UBNT M). And think about high multipath indoor environments. You pretty much have to rely on phase detection capabilities to get MIMO. On 8/11/2016 2:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes they did say that, and I read the white paper,

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

Yeah, it seems to work fine to use slant at one end, and h/v at the other with ePMP, ubnt M and Canopy 450... But airfibers don't seem to like it at all. On Aug 11, 2016 2:30 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > It's built into the chipset of the ePMP 1000 (which is the same as UBNT M). > > And think ab

Re: [AFMUG] Using AirFiber 5x dishes with non-Airfiber radios

I imagine it takes a lot of processing power to do so and it could be they used most of the spare AF5 FPGA gates for the 1024QAM functionality. On Aug 11, 2016 12:47 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Yeah, it seems to work fine to use slant at one end, and h/v at the other > with ePMP, ubnt M and Can

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

I would recommend steering away from a Special Assessment Area as a mechanism for funding FTTx. A bond with an SAA repayment still needs some form of backstop and in the case of Brigham City, the city placed liens on the properties as the backstop to the bonds. It worked to get the bond and fund

Re: [AFMUG] B11

But that B in Shannon's Theorem keeps getting big. That 10Gbps radio uses 2Ghz channels. That results in a lot of C On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > There are bumper stickers “Obey Gravity ... It’s the Law”. > Maybe you need to sell Shannon’s Law bumper stickers. > Ooops, i

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Man, this list will let anyone lurk Hi Roger, Yep, Perry told me they owned the conduit. I was working for that “other” place then. We would have blown in fiber in a heartbeat. This was probably 6-8 years ago. From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:21 PM To: af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

If you put a small PBX at the customer’s site rather than centralized, the Grandstream UCM series with Grandstream IP phones make it pretty easy. You can create global and model templates, then to add a phone you basically tell the PBX the MAC address, extension number, and person’s name, then

Re: [AFMUG] Increase PMP100 900 MHz Stability in High Noise?

I was really hoping to buy some time on these customers with high re-registrations. It looks like I just need to find a new band. I can't cut down my frequency list since it is a remote site and I sometimes need to swap channels just to get a radio to register at all. Time try some 2.4 at this spo

Re: [AFMUG] B11

“I drink your milkshake.” >From the movie There Will Be Bandwidth. From: John Blake Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 But that B in Shannon's Theorem keeps getting big. That 10Gbps radio uses 2Ghz channels. That results in a lot of C On Thu,

Re: [AFMUG] B11

The first generation 80 GHz, 1 Gbps FDD bridge products ten years ago used OOK/BPSK and a high/low set of 5 GHz wide channels, like a Gigabeam or the earliest Bridgewave radios. Worked great and still didn't result in any colocation interference, with 60cm dishes, thanks to narrow dish beam width

Re: [AFMUG] B11

My oldest son has a favorite t shirt with this: http://mediacdn.snorgcontent.com/media/catalog/product/i/d/idrinknavy_fullpic_artwork.jpg From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 “I drink your milkshake.” >From the movie There Will Be B

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

That makes sense. I think there might be ways to handle the lien so that it’s not a big stigma for the property owner. I’m willing to try it and handle the aftermath. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roger Timmerman Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Sub

[AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

How do you setup radio addresses so both ends of a link can be accessed (via loop) when the link is down? *What I've been doing... and how it doesn't work:* I've been setting up OSPF links using a /29. Router A -- Radio A ~~ Radio B -- Router B Devices get addresses: - .1 - Router A - .2

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

Connect using the loopback /32 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: > How do you setup radio addresses so both ends of a link can be accessed (via > loop) when the link is down? > > What I've been doing... and how it doesn't work: > I've been setting up OSPF links using a /29.

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

A lot of times we want to login to side “B” when the link between A and B is down…but we can’t unless each side is advertised as a /30..but I want the two radio’s to see each other when they’re up. So what I’ve done most recently is: .1 = Router A (configured as /30) .2 = Radio A (configured as

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

/30s are the simplest, you can use /32 addressing on the link between the two MTs.Or get a radio that is smart enough to handle two gateways with checks ☺ Out of band management radios are better yet /☺ [DennisBurgessSignature] www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x10

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

Depending on how you monitor your network setting the radios up so that you can access them both when the link is down may be a bad thing. I use the dude to monitor and if the link goes down you wouldn't get notification if the remote radio was still accessible. This is how I do it: /24 subnet (pr

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

You can also leave it as you have it and setup a src-nat on router b (and a, for that matter) so that traffic to the radio ip is source natted to the router's iface /29. Then the gateways don't matter and whichever end is up will advertise the prefix and either radio is accessible. Get Outlo

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of the p

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Who is we? I think Google turned to a garbage generator, look at all the cancelled projects. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 11, 2016 6:24 PM, "Brian Webster" wrote: > Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projec

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

You have a very naive viewpoint of what they have accomplished. Look at how successful many of their projects have been! Not all will be hits, but the ones that have done well have done VERY well. They are also doing a lot of work with robotics, driverless cards, drone delivery, and a TON of medic

Re: [AFMUG] Increase PMP100 900 MHz Stability in High Noise?

Had another site today that popped up with -60 noise floor across the band with -45 peaks once in a while. Smart meters everywhere. And they haven't even started collecting data yet. And most of this is areas where, nope, sorry, you gotta cut down trees to get even satellite. I'm so f'n done wi

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

When you have an endless supply of money, no doubt they can generate many technical successes. Creating financial success is a bit more difficult, but if you have free marketing and advertising, that really helps. But they are far from their original motto of "don't be evil". There is a job ti

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail kind of does but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product). They've done decent things otherwise but I have a hard time respecting a company that just uses tons of money to build a network with the intention of destroying ot

Re: [AFMUG] Access Both Sides of Downed Link Using OSPF?

Exactly what I've been doing. Works great. Except I do the VLAN thing backwards. VLAN for the radio management. OSPF /30 go on the physical interface for radios that support 802.3 link drop upon RF link loss to quickly trigger OSPF topology change. On 8/11/2016 4:10 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

They just need to generate enough revenue with Apps to keep their primary focus going. :) Wait, you're not in favor of them using their own personal cash to throw a wrench in the works of 1Mbps DSL LECs who have received billions upon billions of taxpayer money? On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:47 PM, J

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... & yes they will eventually go down because of it... On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I ca

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

And look how much of that huge outlay of cash has returned on the investment. After the initial search engine success, android ($), and youtube ($$) are the only real moneymakers... Sorry doing research isn't making money... List their other big moneymakers that haven't been acquisitions a

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/10/investing/google-alphabet-all-time-high/ "Shares of Google parent company Alphabet (GOOGL, Tech30) hit an all-time high Tuesday of more than $813 a share. The company is now worth $555 billion." "The company is still growing at a rate that would make most companies

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Gmail just feeds the search engine.. Actual revenue from gmail... not so much... On 08/11/2016 03:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail kind of does but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product). They've done decent things otherw

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

If the google fiber was a success it would be paying the way for the new deployments... The halt is proof that it isn't. The creation of the parent company was the proof that the blood letting was killing the golden calf... Fat dumb and happy... Just like smaller companies want them to

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

DSL? Look where they're deploying. They're fighting cable companies with 15 meg as the smallest offered plan. Now if they were doing rural stuff hooking up people that need something at least 5 or 10 meg that's another story. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

Remember Gmail has ads Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 11, 2016 8:31 PM, "Robert Andrews" wrote: > Gmail just feeds the search engine.. Actual revenue from gmail... not so > much... > > On 08/11/2016 03:47 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

On 8/11/16 17:30, Josh Reynolds wrote: "Shares of Google parent company Alphabet (GOOGL, Tech30) hit an all-time high Tuesday of more than $813 a share. The company is now worth $555 billion." "The company is still growing at a rate that would make most companies envious. Analysts are forecastin

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

It took a long while for MS to hit the slippery slope And in worth at the time, MS was better off than google... Yes search is growing like crazy still, but they see the scary part of the curve ahead.. It's a great company but is it IBM great? is it PG great? That is the proof of dec

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

ads are the search engine... Gmail making money would be part of the app sales... On 08/11/2016 05:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Remember Gmail has ads Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 11, 2016 8:31 PM, "Robert Andrews" mail

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