Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Gruss, There's only ever been one reason - US foreign policy that favors one terrorist over another: The Shah over the clerics; Iraq over Iranian clerics, Saudi Arabia over Iraq, Israel over Palestine. I think you have a problem with history here. The Jews did not teach the Arabs terrorist

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Judith Dinowitz
1.) Creating new terrorists, the so called hearts and minds.Those in the region (King of Jordan, Prime Minister of Pakistan) have explicitly said no.Not only that, but they've described how the war has inflamed radical Muslims and that has balloned al Queda recruitment and created new al

CF_Library at the Community Suite

2004-10-12 Thread Judith Dinowitz
For those that remember the last Community Suite, we had about 15 feet of books. This year, we'd like to have that and more. (Yes, the Community Suite is happening. Yes, we're running it. Yes, we still have room for sponsors.) So we're asking for what people think are good books to request from

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Again, not true. Phoning ahead 3 times to get civilians out of a military target is well within the bounds of a military strike. Blowing up innocent vacationers without any warning or connection to the military is not. There is no comparison and the attempt to draw one is both sickening and

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gruss Gott wrote: The point is that the Jews used terrorism to get what wanted politically - phoning ahead doesn't exactly lessen the death of a hundred people; the Jews certainly didn't hold off because the hotel wasn't evacuated, did they? I would not consider an attack against the

Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread James Smith
Hi, This sounds to good to be true, lifetime music etc downloads for 40 dollars http://www.thedownloadplace.com Any one you know heard of it or dealt with it. -- James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
Holy Crap - the have the Suburbs and Run Westy Run, and Jack Logan, and...and... Okay.who's gonna take the plunge. I _want_ this. Note - they do have a record with Better Business Bureau. But, it's 3 complaints over the last 36 months, and all have been responded to resolved.

Re: George Bush, demonstrating Cognitive Defects ;-)

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
And, some days my grandma remembers my name, too. ;) He was fine in the second debate. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
Eesh. That is scary. And, yah, those usually do kill a person. Glad that something made you go get checked out and that you pulled through. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:33:03 -0600, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pulmonary embolism. Known in medical terms as you were really lucky, God was on

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread G
This is ridiculous. What would you of had him do, Angel? Completely ignore his generals? Wasn't that the liberal side a few weeks ago? That there were generals telling him he needed more troops, and he ignored them? Now he's saying the generals told him they had plenty of troops, and you are

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
I'd comment on this tripe, but the Dinowitz's set is perfectly straight. It's the jews own fault their children are being blown up..that's some argument. - Original Message - From: Gruss Gott To: CF-Community Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: The politicization

RE: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread James Smith
The issue I have is that most music sites are charging around 99c per song, these guys are only charging $40 for a lifetime of unlimited downloads.I was wondering if anyone had any first hand experience of the site to either say yes, it's great and worth every penny or no, the music selection

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
Attacks on US soldiers aren't terrorism...ok. What about the kidnapping and beheading of foreign journalists and civilians? What about car bombs exploding at IRAQI police stations? Bombs exploding in shopping centers, killing women, children? These freedom fighters that you are so fond of in

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
Yep, I get that, and I'm just saying, I want to know, too. It does seem to good to be true. And, usually things that seem too good to be true are. But, they certainly have a lot of relatively obscure musicians in their catalog - stuff that I would want to download. I just wonder if it's for real.

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
Leaving aside the generals issue,I agree with the sentiment of the article, in that Bush's inability to answer that question reflected pretty poorly on him, and his handlers. I mean, he had to know that that question would come up. Hell, it comes up in darn near every interview. It's essentially

RE: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread James Smith
The main thing that makes we curious is all the software and TV shows, if it was just music I could almost believe it but some of the software on offer costs more than $40 each and I was unaware that any TV production companies had approved their shows for download. -- Jay _ From: Deanna

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread G
agreed. It seems like his handlers told him if this question comes up, side step it, redirect it, don't apologize for anything. It's a mistake in my opinion. He had to know that question was coming...i mean, we lowly developers prepare for that question when we're getting ready for a job

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=thedownloadplace.comhl=enlr=c2coff=1selm=926e353.0308200649.6d83686d%40posting.google.comrnum=1 - Original Message - From: James Smith To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Music Downloads Hi, This sounds to good to be

RE: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread James Smith
Well that is certainly a good start! Thanks. -- Jay _ From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 14:04 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Music Downloads http://groups.google.com/groups?q=thedownloadplace.comhl=enlr=c2coff=1se

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
*sigh* That's what I figured. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:04:00 -0400, Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=thedownloadplace.comhl=enlr=c2coff=1selm=926e353.0308200649.6d83686d%40posting.google.comrnum=1 - Original Message - From: James Smith To:

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
If you google downloadplace, you'll actually find a bunch of it's a scam information. I probably should have just done that right off. :) On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:15:05 +0100, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that is certainly a good start! Thanks. -- Jay _ From: Howie Hamlin

RE: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Jim Davis
My guess - tho' it's only that - is that they're tool fronts either a P2P or UseNet network or, even worse, that they just provide (presumably mostly broken) web links. They keep making noise about how legal it is but that they have more than any anybody else.I don't think they could have

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Marlon Moyer
The thing that makes me wonder is that they have Windows XP available for download.Something reeks in this offer. Marlon On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:50:28 +0100, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This sounds to good to be true, lifetime music etc downloads for 40 dollars

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
That's why they provide a free media player - it probably hides the fact that the downloads are coming from bittorrent or whereever.This also explains why they are not an illegal service as they are not providing the downloads themselves. - Original Message - From: Deanna Schneider To:

RE: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
From this site: http://makeashorterlink.com/?T60D45189 A post by one of the owners -- Hello, I am part owner of thedownloadplace.com. We have invested large amounts of time, energy, and money to ensure that our members receive the most up-to-date information on the

[MLB] Congrats to Houston

2004-10-12 Thread Won Lee
Congratulations to the any Houston Astros fans on the list.Welcome to your first Championship Series. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

For the musicians on the list ... Great new CF site

2004-10-12 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
http://www.jambuddy.net/ Cheers, Erika [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Music Downloads

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
Hello, I am part owner of thebreathingplace.com. We have invested large amounts of time, energy, and money to ensure that our members receive the most up-to-date information on the current status of the breathing phenomenon. We take pride in knowing that we have helped many people learn all the

Exciting

2004-10-12 Thread John Stanley
Talk about backwards. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/saudi.women.ap/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/saudi.women.ap/index.html [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Hi All, So please help me clarify something: 1.) you're saying that the Jews, who had no country at the time, were at war with the British and so bombing a hotel that was being used as a base by the British is just fine.What was the British/Jewish war called? 2.) The killing of British soldiers

U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials looted from Iraq while US prevented UN access to sites

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/12/iraq.main/index.html U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials gone Equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons have disappeared from Iraq, warns the chief of the U.N. atomic watchdog agency. Satellite imagery shows entire

Re: Entire Republican Strategy in 2 min

2004-10-12 Thread Marlon Moyer
That is so true! On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:12:16 -0500, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1627 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials looted from Iraq while US prevented UN access to sites

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here's the full story: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.nuclear/index.html Nuclear materials 'vanish' in Iraq UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons have disappeared from Iraq, the chief of the U.N.'s atomic watchdog agency has

Tuesday Joke - Little Leroy

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
His birthday was coming up and he thought this was a good time to tell his mother what he wanted. Mom, I want a bike for my birthday. Little Leroy was a bit of a troublemaker. He had gotten into trouble at school and at home. Leroy's mother asked him if he thought he deserved to get a bike for

RE: U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials looted from Iraq while US prevented UN access to sites

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Larry, Please reconcile this article with all of the other documents that you have provided this list showing that it has been proven that Iraq had neither a nuclear weapons program or the ability to produce them and that this was well know before the war. Either it wasn't a concern then and now

FW: BREAKING NEWS Supreme Court to consider constitutionality of Ten Commandments displays

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
BREAKING NEWS Supreme Court to consider constitutionality of Ten Commandments displays on government land and buildings. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
G wrote: Attacks on US soldiers aren't terrorism...ok. What about the kidnapping and beheading of foreign journalists and civilians? What about car bombs exploding at IRAQI police stations? Bombs exploding in shopping centers, killing women, children? That is terrorism. These freedom

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dinowitzs, During the British-Jewish war, if it was fine for the Irgun to attack to an administrative and military target via the call-ahead rule, what were the targets the British could counter-attack against? Who was the Jewish military and where were their bases? To me, that was terrorism,

Re: U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials looted from Iraq while US prevented UN access to sites

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
ther eis a difference between weapons and weaponized fissile materials, and nuclear materials. It has never been disputed that Iraq had a research program and a couple of nuclear reactors. What has been stolen was the materials and equipment in those research facilities. larry On Tue, 12 Oct

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
I'm just wondering if you consider the insurgency attacks in Iraq to be justified? Are they only justified when they kill US soldiers? - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not consider those that attack a military force that occupies their country terrorists. Exactly, and the Dinowitzs just made an argument in agreement. They said that the Irgun was due the land the British were occupying, so

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just wondering if you consider the insurgency attacks in Iraq to be justified? To be clear, I have 2 points: 1.) Anytime somebody violently attacks someone else to accomplish a political objective, it's terrorism unless it's self defense.So

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
G wrote: I'm just wondering if you consider the insurgency attacks in Iraq to be justified? No. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
Actually, I was talking about Arab hatred towards Israel when I made my post that you were referring to, not necessarily the US. I agree with your assertion that the modern reason for Arab dislike of the US is our direct support of Israel. So while such widespread dislike of the US among Arabs may

Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, I think this definition waters down the more traditional definition which I thought included targeting civilians to create terror and weaken the will of the other party to fight.For example, one could argue that Iraq insurgences aren't being terrorists when they blow up a US Humvee.And

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gruss Gott wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remove my email address when you quote me, the archives are public. I do not consider those that attack a military force that occupies their country terrorists. Exactly, and the Dinowitzs just made an

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:07:38 -0400, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its an interesting wrinkle in a region whose history includes occupation/participation by every major culture. Yeah, that time they were occupied by Japan was really a mess. :-) -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
OK its definately before lunch and I'm still not entirely awake. How about every major western culture, sorry about the slip. larry On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:36:33 -0500, Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:07:38 -0400, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its an

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gruss Gott wrote: 1.) Anytime somebody violently attacks someone else to accomplish a political objective, it's terrorism unless it's self defense. Was the invasion in Iraq self defense? Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous. What would you of had him do, Angel? Completely ignore his generals? The we just do what the Generals tell us to is misleading.The civilians in the Pentagon and Whitehouse set policy and the military Generals execute on it.

RE: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Do you know how hard it is to keep Sushi fresh in a desert region?Don't get me started!g -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:37 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The politicization of the Iraq War On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:07:38

RE: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Isn't that one of the key elements of the debate on the War?The other being timing? -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:45 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The politicization of the Iraq War Gruss Gott wrote: 1.)

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
just a quibble, but Shinseki wasn't fired. He retired on schedule after his appointment wasn't renewed. larry On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:44:01 -0500, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous. What would you of had him do, Angel?

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Marlon Moyer
I think the winner/loser slant is really what defines terrorism. Afterall, George Washington and his army fighting for self defense, their motive was purely political.They didn't stick to fighting the traditional/British way but chose to adopt Indian strategies.If we accept Gruss's definition, we

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Kevin Graeme
It's funny, but only in the last few years have the methods of the Minutemen and other American revolution fighters been referred to as terrorism. Prior to this it was generally called guerilla warfare. I think that's still a more accurate description of the methods because of the targets

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
G wrote: In a nutshell, I'm not sure there is anything Israel could do to satisfy a group of people who's stated mission is the destruction of the jewish state. Maybe not those people, but the Palestinians in general, during the 90s, supported the land deals that Mr. Arafat was negotiating with

RE: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, Please visit factcheck.orgYou are just repeating incorrect Kerry statements. Shineski announced his retirement long before the war: Kerry claimed, as he had in the first debate, that the Army's Chief of Staff, Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, was forced to retire for saying before the invasion of

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Judith Dinowitz
In a nutshell, I'm not sure there is anything Israel could do to satisfy a group of people who's stated mission is the destruction of the jewish state. Thank you, G! : ) Judith [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Judith wrote: In a nutshell, I'm not sure there is anything Israel could do to satisfy a group of people who's stated mission is the destruction of the jewish state. Thank you, G! : ) Judith, do you really believe the average Palestinian believed this 5 years ago? I doubt it.The world, mostly

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Jochem wrote: Was the invasion in Iraq self defense? Good question ... I would say both depending on priorities.The arguments are: 1.) Yes.Mr. Hussein was terrorizing his people and may have had WMD.That is, we were defending Iraqis and the US as well as the world. 2.) No.The globally accepted

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Andy wrote: Shineski announced his retirement long before the war. I don't need to check any of those sources - I heard it from Gen Shinseki.Obviously you would agree, based on that logic, that General Wesley Clark retired rather than having been fired? [Todays Threads] [This Message]

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
At the same time however, the so called patiots saw nothing wrong with burning the homes of loyalists and effectively running ethnic cleansing campaign against them. For instance one North Carolina county make any loyalist resident liable for any robberies, thefts etc that occured in the county.

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
This is very true, and I think some parrellels can be drawn between these occurrences, and what is going on in Iraq. Insurgents are killing Iraqi citizens who are aiding the Americans. This seems awfully similar to early US patriots terrorizing loyalists. If your cause is the correct one, then

Re: CF_Library at the Community Suite

2004-10-12 Thread Stephenie Hamilton
how about scolarships? any sponsors want to send a poor cf coder to MAX? LOL... ok, back to the books steph For those that remember the last Community Suite, we had about 15 feet of books. This year, we'd like to have that and more. (Yes, the Community Suite is happening. Yes, we're

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Sam Morris
--- Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, So please help me clarify something: 1.) you're saying that the Jews, who had no country at the time, were at war with the British and so bombing a hotel that was being used as a base by the British is just fine.What was the

Re: CF_Library at the Community Suite

2004-10-12 Thread Ben Doom
Now, now.I'm sure your skills are better than poor. :-) --Ben Stephenie Hamilton wrote: how about scolarships? any sponsors want to send a poor cf coder to MAX? LOL... ok, back to the books [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations

I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Marlon Moyer
Turns out that Bush does own a timber company.He and Cheney seem to be having senior moments lately http://www.factcheck.org/article275.html -- Marlon [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Sam Morris
--- Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not those people, but the Palestinians in general, during the 90s, supported the land deals that Mr. Arafat was negotiating with Mr. Clinton.From what I've seen the deal was as good as done and the Palestinians supported it which is why there

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Sam Morris
Gruss, Just looked at your photo. It's how I pictured you. Your a pisser, stand tall and take no shit :) http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/view.cfm/recordid=392 --- Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The we just do what the Generals tell us to is misleading.The civilians in the Pentagon

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
powerball was up to 280 million and I forgot to buy a ticket :) Waaa. Dana On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:46:48 -0500, Andy Ousterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what my mom died of.Go buy a lottery ticket.You are very lucky. And we are glad that you were. Andy -Original Message-

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
yeah yeah yeah I am talking to myself now. But now that I think about it, Sam Kerry's plan is to extend to uninsured Americans the same health care plan that members of Congress have, correct? It might have worked out as well. I think the key factor in my case was the willingness and

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
Ya, one side of my family was driven out of Massachussets after the revolution. But it's an interesting topic. In my opinion you cannot call people attacking foreign soldiers terrorists, whereas people who attack civilians probably qualify. The lines get very fuzzy though when you have

Re: The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: There was no peace. Good work, but how many suicide bombings were there?Most of the statistics you've reported are less than 3 summer months in Chicago, but that's just a guess.A better metric of peace would be to look at business transactions between the Israelis and the

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
Must be nice to have so many assets you lose track of them. And naturally this has *nothing* to do with recent decisions about logging in wilderness areas. I dunno about you guys, but I live in New Mexico for the access to the wilderness and I don't want to hear buzzsaws when I go. Reminds me of

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gruss, Just looked at your photo. It's how I pictured you. Your a pisser, stand tall and take no shit :)

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
Maybe I read it wrong but I took this as a sort of wry compliment? I mean... have you looked at the picture? Dana On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:37:43 -0400, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
at the time of the revolutionary war, about 1/3rd supported the loyalists and about the same number supported the continental congress, the other third just tried to stay out of way of both sides. >From what I've rad about the time, while there were some incidents on the other side (notably in New

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Actually, that was funny if in fact Gruss posted that picture on the HOF site. (Much less so if someone else posted it for him) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/04 02:37PM I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:52:46 -0700

RE: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I am totally confused by your logic.First I wasn't aware that you had a personal relationship with Shinseki.Please ask him to reconcilethe announcement of his retirement (yes, he could have been asked to retire) long before the war, and being fired for arguing about proper staffing levels on a

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
I think he posted it in the course of the discussion of French vs English WC's when Marlon got back from England. Dana On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:47:34 -0400, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that was funny if in fact Gruss posted that picture on the HOF site. (Much less so if

RE: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Larry, I took this as a complement. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:38 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush's telling Non Answer. I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults. On Tue,

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread G
I'm not sure that having a small share in a timber company is the same as owning that company. Do you consider yourself the owner of every company in which you own some percentage of stock? Also, unless i've been misled, isn't Kerry the one who is quite a bit more well off financially than Bush?

Re: Recognize our Troops over the Holidays

2004-10-12 Thread Bill Wheatley
Whats a site to check out? On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:32:29 -0500, Andy Ousterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, A email exchange I just had reminded me of the importance of letting our troops know how much we appreciate the sacrifices they are making.While we disagree on many points, I think

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
welp according to the factcheck article, Kerry didn't claim Bush owned it... he said that he earned $84 from ownership in it, a distinction that should be clear to anyone familiar with the concept of stocks. It was Bush who said I own a timber company? I did not see this particular bit of the

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
The original point of Kerry's statement was in regard to loopholes.Because Bush was a minority owner of that lumber company he could, under the laws initiated by the Bush administration, be considered a small business owner. Howie - Original Message - From: G To: CF-Community Sent:

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Sam Morris
I didn't put the photo there, I was just making a joke about it. --- Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gruss, Just looked

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread G
I agree that the target of the violence is a huge factor in determining terrorism. I don't agree though, that you can make a clean break in the case of Iraq. The groups that are attacking the US are the same groups that are killing Iraqi civilians, beheading journalists, and blowing up police

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
I was looking into the definitions when I was first getting my business license. You'd be astounded at who is considered a small business. I seem to remember that Dell or some other national computer company still qualifies. Dana On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:57:12 -0400, Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
I think Gruss did On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't put the photo there, I was just making a joke about it. --- Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that sort of thing is not called for. Lay off the personal insults.

Re: Definition of terrorism(WAS The politicization of the Iraq War

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
do we know this for a fact? Not trying to start a flame here, but... isn't the consensus that our intelligence in this area really sucks? Dana On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:02:02 -0500, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the target of the violence is a huge factor in determining terrorism. I

Re: Bush's telling Non Answer.

2004-10-12 Thread Ray Champagne
HmmmI thought it was a pretty funny joke.I don't think it was intended as an attack. Another case of over-sensitivity, IMO. Ray At 03:03 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: I think Gruss did On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't put the photo

goddam right it's a beautiful day

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
On a completely different note, here are the lyrics to that song that's been running through my head...yes, it's kinda sarcastic, but then, so am I :) Eels - Goddam Right It's a Beautiful Day Artists Eels Goddam Right It's a Beautiful Day Contribution by: sammy4770 on July 04, 2004 The

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Won Lee
At 13:51 10/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: I'm not sure that having a small share in a timber company is the same as owning that company. Do you consider yourself the owner of every company in which you own some percentage of stock? You should, that is what equity is.You own a piece of that company.

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
And, a lot of large businesses pay little or no taxes. Yehaa! - Original Message - From: dana tierney To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: I own a timber company? I was looking into the definitions when I was first getting my business license. You'd be

Kerry's number 1 supporter.

2004-10-12 Thread Sam Morris
Does George Soros really believe Kerry will sign the Kyoto treaty and the International Criminal Court in The Hague? And why is he gambling millions that Kerry will? http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7231 In reply to my second question, about how he would fight terrorism, Mr. Soros

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Won Lee
At 15:07 10/12/2004 -0400, you wrote: And, a lot of large businesses pay little or no taxes. Yehaa! That isn't really true.If company A and company B were the same exact companies that did the same exact business but the only difference is that A is a publicly traded company and B is a limited

Re: goddam right it's a beautiful day

2004-10-12 Thread Bill Wheatley
lol nothing like tweaking u2's stuff On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:06:41 -0600, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a completely different note, here are the lyrics to that song that's been running through my head...yes, it's kinda sarcastic, but then, so am I :) Eels - Goddam Right It's a

Re: Kerry's number 1 supporter.

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
George Soros has nothing to do with the Kerry campaign except for donations.His opinion makes no difference. - Original Message - From: Sam Morris To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Kerry's number 1 supporter. Does George Soros really believe Kerry will

Re: I own a timber company?

2004-10-12 Thread Howie Hamlin
Huh?There are lots of large companies that pay little or no taxes - it's a fact. - Original Message - From: Won Lee To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: I own a timber company? At 15:07 10/12/2004 -0400, you wrote: And, a lot of large businesses pay

Re: Kerry's number 1 supporter.

2004-10-12 Thread Won Lee
At 12:13 10/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: Does George Soros really believe Kerry will sign the Kyoto treaty and the International Criminal Court in The Hague? And why is he gambling millions that Kerry will? http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7231 In reply to my second question, about

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