> gg wrote:
> Therefore
>
> What's left in Iraq is criminal activity and a security matter for a
> foreign region and a foreign government.
>
Which means that since there is no war, there can be no illegal combatants.
Q: So how do we fight international terrorism directed aga
> Tim wrote:
> With illegal combatants the convention allows us to execute them
> summarily without trial.
Here's where you and I differ - maybe - and what makes assymetrical
warfare so tricky:
(1.) "War" should be defined as def'n #1 in the dictionary:
- A conflict carried on by force of
I think I have said this before though; I am not sure indefinite
detention is preferable to execution. I am not sure I would prefer it,
and I am a sedentary intellectual type. For a man accustomed to being
outside and physically active, it wold probably be worse.
On 3/22/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECT
one thing we should learn from Bush is the importance of definition. I
don't know how closely you followed the Otero Mesa debate but, there
you had concerns that drilling for oil there might pollute the largest
aquifer in a state where water is already a huge concern. Not to
worry, the drilling wil
For em it's not even about terrorists, it's about POW vs. illegal
combatant. It's easy to define. If they aren't in the uniform of a
country, carrying that countries military ID, then they are an illegal
combatant. Thats the litmus test set by the Geneva convention and what
we've been follow
Damnit. I meant to say "bad", not "evil". Bah.
-den
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:35 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh noes! We need Danas! :-)
>
> Seriously, I think that the reason this Bush could have done so much
> good, and ended up doing so much evil, stems directly from the la
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM, denstar wrote:
> I'm implying no such thing. I'm suggesting that at the highest
> > levels, the "definition" of torture is being tested.
> >
>
> That is why we have an indepedent jud
Oh noes! We need Danas! :-)
Seriously, I think that the reason this Bush could have done so much
good, and ended up doing so much evil, stems directly from the lack of
challenge to power.
Bush kept asking for ponies, and congress just kept giving them to him.
Challeng is exactly what we need.
Yep, except for you can't do it to Americans, it would be a
constitutional violation.
Dana wrote:
> I love you too.
>
> Seriously tho, isn't that the logic? guantanamo is ok because the
> people there titare illegal combattants and therefore not entitled to
> prisoner of war status? I could swea
I love you too.
Seriously tho, isn't that the logic? guantanamo is ok because the
people there titare illegal combattants and therefore not entitled to
prisoner of war status? I could swear I remember you saying that. If I
have misunderstood the position please explain.
On /22/08, Loathe <[EMAIL
combatant != prisoner of war
You should move, seriously. We don't want you. We have enough loonies
that belong here.
Dana wrote:
> i have been trying to stay out of this because really, I don't have
> time. However let me try one more time...
>
>
>> I spent two years working with former Sovi
i have been trying to stay out of this because really, I don't have
time. However let me try one more time...
> I spent two years working with former Soviet states on energy programs and I
> often used former Russian defectors as interpreters.
And what did you learn from this? You're defending t
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>
> Maybe *you* should talk to some people who lived in places like that.
>
> Maybe they can give you some pointers on what to look out for.
>
I spent two years working with former Soviet states on energy programs and I
often used former Russian d
If I come off as harsh, I'm sorry, these issues get me riled up. :]
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:54 PM, denstar <> wrote:
> >
> > What does McCain have to do with state sponsored torture?
> >
> You sound like you think w
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:54 PM, denstar <> wrote:
>
> What does McCain have to do with state sponsored torture?
>
You sound like you think we're on par with North Korea or Iran. All I can
say is that if you really believe that, you need to spend some time talking
with people who have lived in c
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:07 PM, denstar wrote:
> > Are you saying that you believe that the only records that the telcos
> > turned over were for people with overseas calls?
>
> That's different than the wire-tappin
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We've been over this territory before. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus
> during the Civil War, the US. interned thousands of Japanese-Americans
> against their will during WWII, etc. etc. etc.
>
> I can't speak to governm
We've been over this territory before. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus
during the Civil War, the US. interned thousands of Japanese-Americans
against their will during WWII, etc. etc. etc.
I can't speak to governments in general, but yes, the U.S. government has a
history of giving up power. Acqui
Really?
You have historical evidence that when Governments are given more
control and more power they easily give it up?
>We haven't "become" anything, this is how our country works. As MD says,
>people are willing to give up a little freedom (having their bags searched
>on the subway in NYC) in
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:07 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> But, come on! People were actually pissed at the media for
> "revealing" this treasonable act. "yer help'n the terrists by not
> like'n be'n spied on by yer own government"
>
> Are you saying that you believe that the only records that the tel
Gel, I swim in the big pool with the adults, you should try it sometime.
Would anyone care to supply a link for evidence of warrant-less wiretapping
where both parties involved in a conversation were in the United States?
Otherwise you are just being blowhards.
There is plenty of information on W
Cognitive dissonance.
To open ones eyes and admit what is happening would shatter too many
strongly held beliefs and will be too painful. To protect itself, the
organism indulges in self delusion and rationalisation.
On 18/03/2008, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:30
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Domestic spying" is a red herring, the rules are very clear and one party
> has to be outside the U.S.
The rules are clear. That they have been broken is freaking public record.
Things like the BASKETBALL program are als
"Domestic spying" is a red herring, the rules are very clear and one party
has to be outside the U.S.
Warrantless searches needs judicial review, agreed.
Torture is illegal, the definition of torture is a problem. President McCain
will make sure there is no gray area on torture.
The airline thin
I know the economy is the next knee-jerker, but I was actually still
on the freedom bit. :-)
Losing our liberties (no-knock, warrant-less searches, domestic
spying, due process wankery) and our morals (torture is o.k. if our
lawyers say so, a "strike first" military, trading individual freedoms
f
What do you mean by losing it? Our economy? That's our own damn fault, as we
have discussed many times. Social Security and Medicare are going to
bankrupt us, and through our anti-immigrant policy we are keeping the very
people who could help feed the system well into this century out of the
system
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For all the bluster about talk about freedom on this list, it seems only
> those of us who already have it are the only ones who deserve it, eh?
I'm more curious about those who don't care that we're losing it over he
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You live in a peaceful democracy in a beautiful part of the world. Would you
> want to live in a military dictatorship? I wouldn't. No one should have to
> live in an un-free country. Without personal freedom, what do
What you provided were selective clippings from an article that basically
said Iraq was doing a lot better and that's why it isn't in the news any
longer. I would go back and find that relevant snippets, but I really don't
care.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Gruss wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> >
There is nothing contradictory about providing them with protection from a
bunch of thugs while they try to work out their political differences.
For all the bluster about talk about freedom on this list, it seems only
those of us who already have it are the only ones who deserve it, eh?
On Mon,
> Dana wrote:
> No matter what the president
> and vice-president said at the time :)
>
The REALLY curious thing is Cheney.
If you've seen the YouTube from a decade+ ago, he warns for Gulf War 1
EXACTLY everything that's happened in Iraq. So he knew way back then.
He knew there was no AQ, he
ha :) here I was thinking of asking you Bush apologists what you make
of that report from those wild-eyed fanatics at the Pentagon. You
know. The one that says there was no link between al-Qaeda and Iraq.
At least before we invaded, that is :)
I guess this thread answers *that* question. In the Fo
Hyperbole's fatal flaw is its tendency to greatly exaggerate things for
dramatic effect. ;)
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:38 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ferraro: US Black People Have It Easy
> Billy wrote:
> Gel wrote:
> My question was simply in response to a contradictory statement which
> said that the Iraqis had to solve their own problems.
>
He's seems to be saying the Iraqi government is using the US military
in a security staff augmentation role - essentially accountable to the
Iraqi gove
> Billy wrote:
> Just because you don't agree with that vision does not qualify
> it as moronic. Such a line of reasoning is just as dumb as suggesting that
> those opposed to the Iraq War are traitors.
>
I'm sorry, Billy, but if you're going to make that argument at least
read the dictionary:
Uhh...
Sticking with the analogy, and the actual question which was not answered,
Everyone wants a puppy but no one wants to pick up the sh**.
My question was simply in response to a contradictory statement which
said that the Iraqis had to solve their own problems.
On 17/03/2008, Robert Munn <
One thing I really love about political discourse is when hyperbole trumps
everything else. 'Moronic' would be invading Canada in order to upgrade
their flag symbol from a leaf to something more masculine. The invasion of
Iraq was a bold (perhaps reckless) strategic move ramrodded through the
neces
> RoMunn wrote:
> pointed out, thanks) seems to have caught on to the successes in Iraq,
> despite a virtual boycott on good news by the media.
>
You see? I gave you facts and you respond with fact-less assertions.
Oh, and I'm not saying the war is lost, I'm saying there is no war.
Never was.
> Sam wrote:
> You know you can't be right when Curley's on your side, he's the only
> one on this list that's wrong more often than you are :)
>
I always chuckle when you say that because over the last 10 years I've
had 3 big predictions:
1.) The dollar was going to go into the shitter.
2.) The
Hardly. We have men and women in the line of fire over there to help keep
Iraq in one piece while they work out their differences. Iran and Syria are
pursuing destabilization in Iraq as a strategy against the U.S., and some
Saudi elements (who are rich enough to finance whatever they want) are
fina
I was just trying to understand the statement, as it seemed to
conflict with what happened is all :)
On the one hand you say it's up to the Iraqis, and on the other you
invade their country supposedly to help free them.
Is it like...rescuing a puppy from an abusive home and then setting it
loose
do we really have to start that discussion all over again?
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Vivec wrote:
> Really?
> So why'd you go in there in the first place if it was up to the Iraqis
> to solve their problems?
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Really?
So why'd you go in there in the first place if it was up to the Iraqis
to solve their problems?
On 16/03/2008, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not even close. I believe that the Iraqis have to solve their problems, and
> that it is up to Iraqis, not Americans,
~~
You know you can't be right when Curley's on your side, he's the only
one on this list that's wrong more often than you are :)
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Larry wrote:
> > Is it really, the corruption is worse than before,
>
> To even argue with
Not even close. I believe that the Iraqis have to solve their problems, and
that it is up to Iraqis, not Americans, to decide how they want to divide up
the responsibility for their government. SO who is talking about imposing
Western solutions on Iraq- me or you? What is the Biden plan but an atte
> Larry wrote:
> Is it really, the corruption is worse than before,
To even argue with that point of view seem like an insult to yourself
if there weren't so many seemingly smart people who actually believe
it. Took me years to realize that.
Just for Robert, I'll give the proper analysis in a
I see you don't know anything about Zeno's Paradox. its a perfect analogy for
the current situation in Iraq.
>So who is the tortoise?
>
>Reciting folk tales doesn't change the progress being made on the ground by
>Iraqis and Americans working together. As I have said before, Iraq isn't
>going to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/14/AR2008031403231.html
There is still much left to be accomplished in Iraq. But the successes
of the men and women serving in this once explosive area of Baghdad
cannot be overstated. Sitting here in Adhamiyah, one thing is certain:
The
Who's the monkey?
http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTJhNmU2ZWI0MzI4NzhjOWNlMDY0NTJiNjQ1NzAwZTg=
The Iraqi Intelligence documents discussed in the report link Saddam's
regime to: the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (the "EIJ" is al Qaeda
number-two Ayman al Zawahiri's group), the Islamic Group or "IG
> RoMunn wrote:
> Iraq has disappeared from the news largely because "the story" there has
> turned positive and the media don't want to cover it.
The "MSM" hasn't been covering it because of this thing called an
election going on; not that I would defend them, since I don't use
them for news.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Iraq has disappeared from the news largely because "the story" there has
> turned positive and the media don't want to cover it. Once every few days
It's funny to see the shoe on the other foot (supposedly)-- this IS
I've decided I don't care who wins as long it's not George Bush.
That's the change I want.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we want change. and change can mean a lot of things.
~|
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So who is the tortoise?
Reciting folk tales doesn't change the progress being made on the ground by
Iraqis and Americans working together. As I have said before, Iraq isn't
going to become Switzerland overnight. but the country is changing into a
better place before our eyes. Why don't more people
> RoMunn wrote:
> Sounds refreshingly candid to me. Petraeus also says all sorts of stuff
> about the progress that has been made in Iraq.
>
A tortoise and hare were racing. The hare knew he was like lightening
compared to the tortoise so when the starting gun blew, the hare let
the tortoise get
Sounds refreshingly candid to me. Petraeus also says all sorts of stuff
about the progress that has been made in Iraq.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Gruss G wrote:
>
> -
> Petraeus, who is preparing to testify to Congress next month on the
> Iraq war, said in an interview that "no one"
> RoMunn wrote:
> Rumsfeld was a disaster, as was Bremer, but things have been well run the in
> the last year, contrary to your gloom and doom analysis.
>
Ah man. *I'm* supposed to be the gloom-and-doomer but this time it's
you since I'm just providing the facts and you're calling them gloom
a
Saddam had to go. Imagine if Saddam were alive and in power today, freed of
the sanctions regime by the sniveling Chirac, re-arming himself with the
windfall profits from record oil prices. We did the right thing.
Rumsfeld was a disaster, as was Bremer, but things have been well run the in
the las
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the blame falls onto the shoulders of the voters that elected a monkey
> to do a man's job.
Worse than that, there seemed to be semi-widespread, verified cases of
voter fraud.
This was the first thing that popped up,
> Gel wrote:
> It's going to be 50 years before the public ever gets a hold of all
> the documents that were sealed pertaining to Iraq.
>
But who really needs them?
It was moronic to go in, has been disastrously managed ever since, and
the blame falls onto the shoulders of the voters that electe
of course it's coincidence. To suggest otherwise is to make baby Jesus cry.
> An oil man is in charge, and oil makes the most money ever?
> Coincidence, I'm sure. =]
Yes. I also have been stunned by the apathy.
> I value individual's liberties, the constitution, and the checks and
> balances th
pfft, that was what 1982? Give me a break.
> Two CIA employees were killed outside CIA headquarters in Langley by a
> Pakistani man.
True, but it's also my short-term judgement that the sun will rise
tomorrow. Some things are just obvious if you are trying at all to
see.
> That's a short-term ju
It's going to be 50 years before the public ever gets a hold of all
the documents that were sealed pertaining to Iraq.
On 14/03/2008, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All time will do is dribble out further evidence of his incompetence.
>
> He is, and will always remain, a national embarr
> RoMunn wrote:
> It will be a long time before anyone can properly judge Bush's legacy. Iraq
> is at the center of it all. If Iraq becomes a stable, moderate force for
> freedom in the Middle East that helps to bridge the gap between Islam and
> the West,
What happens in Iraq is irrelevant; ev
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a short-term judgment. What Gruss is arguing is that Bush will go
> down in history as one of our worst presidents, but it is impossible to
> predict how history will judge GW Bush, because the events he set in
> I know it's hard for you to understand that people can think
independently, but there is a whole world of people out there that
can! Obama is one of them! Good News for you!
As you stated, his inexperience causes him to need great advisors. His advisors
scare me.
If I were part of a group tha
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Todd wrote:
>
> Given the history of the region, which do you think is more likely?
> Either
> way Iraq turns out, Bush was still bold .. and a reckless gambler. The
> only
> difference will be how lucky he turned out to be.
>
In 1948, how many Europeans would
> EW! I hate it already.
heh... knew it wouldn't sit right with you :-)
> I knew I loved math that first day of my Diffy Q class when we worked on a
> single problem the entire hour that took up several white boards.
started for me with algebra 1. hooked.
> awesome fun.
yup. now trying to w
Tons about math that i loved..approximating continuous curves using
Taylor polynomials was cool. We found the center of gravity for an empty 747
using that magic 3D vector, who's name escapes me at the moment. And of
course...DIffy Q.
The one class I took that rocked my world was Topology. You
personally I fell in love when the teacher cancelled all the
coefficients -- order of magnitude, what a concept ;) the exponent of
an expnent stuff was fun too.
On 3/14/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> EW! I hate it already.
>
> I knew I loved math that first day of my Diffy Q class when w
EW! I hate it already.
I knew I loved math that first day of my Diffy Q class when we worked on a
single problem the entire hour that took up several white boards.
awesome fun.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I'm still not sure I get it. So like.
happens in sales teams all the time.
sell a bunch of units, and you need numbers for a previous month...
move em back to that month, even tho the contract states this month...
fuzzy numbers
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:21 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is fuzzy math anyway? I hear t
From: "Robert Munn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Ferraro: US Black People Have It Easy
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> I'm still not sure I get it. So liketaking a word problem and working
> up an equation that could be used to solve it? Is that fuzzy math?
More like taking a word problem and "best-guessing" an answer.
Equations are not the focus. Fuzzy math is supposed to teach children
to "think differe
Robert Munn wrote:
> If Iraq becomes a stable, moderate force for
> freedom in the Middle East that helps to bridge the gap between Islam and
> the West, Bush goes down as one of the boldest presidents in U.S. history.
>
Even if that eventually happens, how Bush got us started and how much
fut
It will be a long time before anyone can properly judge Bush's legacy. Iraq
is at the center of it all. If Iraq becomes a stable, moderate force for
freedom in the Middle East that helps to bridge the gap between Islam and
the West, Bush goes down as one of the boldest presidents in U.S. history.
I
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > What is fuzzy math anyway?
>
> Finding a solution to a math problem without using actual computation.
>
> Mathematical formulae are *not* acceptable solutions.
>
I'm still not sure I get it. So liketaking a word p
> What is fuzzy math anyway?
Finding a solution to a math problem without using actual computation.
Mathematical formulae are *not* acceptable solutions.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~~~
What is fuzzy math anyway? I hear that term from time to time, but have no
idea what it means.
I could look it up...but i'd rather you told me :)
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > What's your 3rd thing?
>
> I've got a number 3 for you!
>
> He appoint
> gMoney wrote:
> I kept coming back to this paragraph in your postI'm racking my brain
> trying to come up with 3 things Bush did that I agree with...??
>
afghanistan, national marine park, SS - but it didn't pass.
Those were mine. I suppose his national hospital quality database,
but
> What's your 3rd thing?
I've got a number 3 for you!
He appointed actual mathematicians to a committee to look at the math
situation in this country and make some recommendations. As a parent
of a 5th and 8th grader I am currently dealing with the "fuzzy" math
issue--the kids are home-schooled
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for President Bush, well, I can only think of 3 things he did that
> I agree with and one of them, he never actually accomplished despite
> owning congress. I think there's really no argument that he'll be
> considered on
> Sammy wrote:
> Obama listens to this his preacher every Sunday for 20 years
>
> http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/03/13/obamas-preacher-in-his-own-words.php
>
I know it's hard for you to understand that people can think
independently, but there is a whole world of people out there that
can!
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read about her and I've never read what you're saying which, even
> if it's true, appears to irrelevant because he's unambiguously 100%
> supportive of Israel. So QED there.
I think you should learn about his adviser
> Sam wrote:
> You're so proud of the people he surrounds himself with, read about them.
>
> How about his preacher?
>
I've read about her and I've never read what you're saying which, even
if it's true, appears to irrelevant because he's unambiguously 100%
supportive of Israel. So QED there.
A
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > Sounds like Obama and the poster incident. I hear she's still a big
> player on his team.
>
> Hey SAM! Good to have you back. As usual I don't know what you're
> talking about ^^^ but good to have you b
> Sam wrote:
> Sounds like Obama and the poster incident. I hear she's still a big player
> on his team.
Hey SAM! Good to have you back. As usual I don't know what you're
talking about ^^^ but good to have you back.
> Keep in mind Samantha Power is a proud anti-semite
I had no idea and have
>Unless the candidates themselves do as Hillary did in this case:
Sounds like Obama and the poster incident. I hear she's still a big player on
his team.
Speaking of monsters
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/03/hilary-clinton.html
Hillary Clinton And Rwanda
Keep in mind
fuzzy is as fuzzy does.
wouldnt suggesting steak and potatoes be whiteracist? against whites?
by that same logic?
thats the problem, when chris rock makes the same joke, its all good.
when fuzzy does, its FUCKED UP.
whats fuckd up is that its fucked up one way, and not the other.
thats why, like
By saying those references to the cultural stereotypes, Fuzzy Zoeller shows how
much of a racist he is. That was crude and ignorant.
>I think you would have to ask him what he feels his cultural heritage is.
>Take Tiger Woods. In early interviews, if I remember correctly, he said he
>identified w
I think you would have to ask him what he feels his cultural heritage is.
Take Tiger Woods. In early interviews, if I remember correctly, he said he
identified with black culture (his father) and with Thai culture (his
mother), and his own experience includes mainstream American culture as
well. Wo
Culturally Obama may not be African American, a good portion of his formative
years were spent outside the US. Then when he returned to the US, it was to
Hawaii, not an African American cultural hotbed. By and large I'd say he's
American much more than African American.
>Absolutely, and that is
Absolutely, and that is a crucial point. Your race is genetic, but your
culture is experiential. My wife, for instance, is Indian but was born and
raised in Virginia. Her parents gave her a good cultural foundation in her
Indian heritage, but she is culturally more American than Indian.
Having sai
First there are distinctions here, ethnically the kid is Cambodian, culturally
white and racially Asian. That said, can race actually exist given that there
are more intragroup within "races" than intergroup differences between
differenent so-called races. Similarly I would posit that there is a
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> as to the question of race, I agree with your thought. the color of
> someone's skin is irrelevant. their cultural experience and
> perspective in society is totally relevant, and for my money that is
> why so many people a
y, March 12, 2008 10:43 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Ferraro: US Black People Have It Easy
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > yes.
> >
> > but positive outlook on difference is wholly different than negative.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i have to work now :)
>
> sorry, but im not going to belabor this any longer...
> i think voting for him based on a lot of things is ok,
> and color being one of them... is one of the reasons i am.
it's all good...i guess just l
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> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > yes.
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> > but positive outlook
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On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes.
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> but positive outlook on difference is wholly different than negative.
That sword cuts both ways, Tone. After
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes.
>
> but positive outlook on difference is wholly different than negative.
That sword cuts both ways, Tone. After all, a white supremacist could argue
that they simply have a positive outlook on whites.
negative outlook on
yes.
but positive outlook on difference is wholly different than negative.
negative outlook on difference would compel you to DISCLUDE based on that.
while positive would compel you to INCLUDE based on that.
and ive made it clear that its certainly not the ONLY REASON, but one of them.
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