Well your not the norm then Andy, most developers do not have that setup.
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 May 2006 00:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Our Development/Staging/QA/whatever-you-want-to-call-it mirrors
Really? I presume you are not using Windows then? Or do you not use shares?
-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Our Development/Staging/QA/whatever-you-want-to-call-it mirrors Production
exactly
: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Our Development/Staging/QA/whatever-you-want-to-call-it mirrors Production
exactly.
CF settings, JVM settings, OS settings, Apache settings. It has to.
(OK you can get away with the odd discrepency).
Now true, we won't have external users hitting this environment
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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Windows on desktop only. Shares? For what?
Andy
On 09/05/06, Plunkett, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really? I presume you are not using Windows then? Or do you not use
shares
) are
allowed access to the website files. On Windows you might use shares for
this.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Windows on desktop only. Shares? For what?
Andy
Hey jeff,
Think databaseBlocks.cfc could be tied into Flex? Good morning to you!
Mark Fuqua
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
The info you are looking at regarding
Andy Allan wrote:
Our Development/Staging/QA/whatever-you-want-to-call-it mirrors
Production exactly.
CF settings, JVM settings, OS settings, Apache settings. It has to.
(OK you can get away with the odd discrepency).
Now true, we won't have external users hitting this environment, but
Hi Mark,
Good afternoon to you.
I don't know how to answer that at this point, as I have only run a couple
samples waiting for F2B3 to be released before delving into Flex seriously.
However, I think I would opt for writing different data access components
for Flex connectivity.
On 5/9/06,
and the JVM.
An error on CF5 was a lot easier to diagnose too, whereas you have to know
somehting about JAVA to decipher a JVM stacktrace.
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 May 2006 22:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
You develop directly on your live server !! :-O !!!
Do I really need to say anything?
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 May 2006 00:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Sounds like you got things set up well
Yep...no problem...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
You develop directly on your live server !! :-O !!!
Do I really need to say anything?
Snake
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Yep...no problem...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
You develop directly on your live server !! :-O !!!
Do I really
On 5/8/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have to agree - I still think CF5 was more stable that MX. Java
certainly did add a few more oddities in terms of stability which needs
far
more tweaking of the JVM.
Oddly, 6.1 did much better for us, and 7 has been even
book for CF programmer
On 5/8/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have to agree - I still think CF5 was more stable that MX. Java
certainly did add a few more oddities in terms of stability which
needs far more tweaking of the JVM.
Oddly, 6.1 did much better for us
Snake wrote:
Like everything.
There is a big difference to hosting a production server with hundreds of
sites on it and millions of hits per day and running a development server
with 1 developer on it and no traffic.
There is indeed a big difference in what you must do (like make
backups)
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 May 2006 19:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Snake wrote:
Like everything.
There is a big difference to hosting a production server with hundreds
of sites on it and millions of hits
configuration differences,
the security policies...
The difference is night and day
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 May 2006 19:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Snake wrote:
Like everything
to
maintain a stable server.
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 May 2006 00:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
And that's one of the major concerns I had about upgrading.
After CF became JAVA based (if that's accurate
What's the criteria for being a loyal customer? Buying
something every time they have something to sell whether it
benefits me or not?
Every time, which has been once, that I needed a means to
produce dynamic websites and applications, I turned to
Allaire Macromedia Adobe for that
-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Well I guess for most CFML developers in a full-time job, the server side of
things is not their problem, they just do the code. But if your self
employed/freelance
On 5/7/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would have to agree with that...doing this all without any
guidance or training (except from a little tech support and
a lot of CF-Talk guidance!) has been a challenge at times.
No doubt. Customer support, sales, doing the whole thing
Snake wrote:
Well I guess for most CFML developers in a full-time job, the server side of
things is not their problem, they just do the code. But if your self
employed/freelance, and have to look after your own server and maybe even do
the hosting as well, there is certainly a shedload more
2006 20:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Snake wrote:
Well I guess for most CFML developers in a full-time job, the server
side of things is not their problem, they just do the code. But if
your self employed/freelance, and have to look after your own server
You gotta swim at some point.
Agreed...I'm just trying to decide what pool to swim
in this time.
I hear you. In a changing world, assessing what the future
will bring is not as straight forward as one would wish. =-]
I think it would be wise to add ASP.NET to my repertoire.
Especially if
Life is too short.
Without a doubt...
-Original Message-
From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
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Message: http
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Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
You gotta swim at some point.
Agreed...I'm just trying to decide what pool to swim
in this time.
I hear you. In a changing world, assessing what the future
will bring is not as straight forward as one would wish. =-]
I think it would
And, frankly, I don't care if the software is 7 years old.
They got $1300 7 years ago or so, and that's a lot more than
they've gotten from someone who hasn't bought anything before.
I just feel there should be some consideration for any
previous customer's investment. Even if on a
No, free isn't the main consideration, but it certainly helps.
Not just the cost to me, but also to clients who want to
deploy my apps in-house...I can save them $1300 everytime
they want to buy an app.
If I replicate the app completely and don't have to change it
at all for each
Rick Faircloth wrote:
ASP.NET 2.0...harder to code, I think, but seems to have functions that
CF 7 doesn't. All the software from OS, server (IIS 6), Visual Web
Developer,
all from the same company and integrated in approach...
All in one hand, from one vendor, vertically integrated from
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Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
And, frankly, I don't care if the software is 7 years old.
They got $1300 7 years ago or so, and that's a lot more than
they've gotten from someone who hasn't bought anything before.
I just feel
concern
for a lot of people when the buyout first occurred...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 5:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Rick Faircloth wrote:
ASP.NET 2.0...harder to code, I think
From your view, good business is the customer doing what's
best for the company. From my view, good business is the
company doing what's best for the customer.
That's not my view at all. However, you mentioned that you were a loyal
customer; I simply pointed out that most companies don't
consider that loyalty. They don't have to get a re-design every year
to be considered a loyal customer.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
From your view, good
: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I simply pointed out that most companies don't consider someone who
buys one product, once, to be a loyal customer.
What's the criteria for being a loyal customer? Buying something every time
they have something to sell whether it benefits me or not?
Every
Out of curiosity, has anyone called adobe and tried the old human element?
I only dealt with MM via email, but they were pretty helpful. Some
companies
give their employees (i.e. sales department folks) more power than others,
allowing them to make exceptions based on their judgement.
It
, 2006 3:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Interesting concept, but you would have to wait 10 years to find out they
are a loyal customer though.
In the case of big corporates like Adobe, a loyal and worthy customer is
someone who spends shedloads of money not just someone
-Original Message-
From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 4:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Out of curiosity, has anyone called adobe and tried the old human element?
I only dealt with MM via email, but they were pretty
was a lot easier to diagnose too, whereas you have to know
somehting about JAVA to decipher a JVM stacktrace.
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 May 2006 22:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Thanks for the perspective
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Altho, all things considered with the improvements CFMX brings, I still find
CF5 more stable than CFMX. The inclusion of JAVA to the equation
On 5/6/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the perspective, Denny.
Hey, anytime. It's about all I got, so... [-=
I've haven't tried talking with Adobe about it, but should
I decide to upgrade, I'll certainly talk to them.
As far as the changes from 4.5 to the current
I finally had a stable CF system and was really afraid to touch it,
being a one server business. I didn't have multiple servers as I do now,
and couldn't afford for something to go wrong.
The water got a little too deep for comfort.
You gotta swim at some point.
And you also need to get
Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
OpenLaszlo has an IDE for visual editing. It looks interesting, haven't
played with it much. Flex has a well integrated visual editor as well.
They're both sorta left
I did a google a while back when I took a look at the Flex2 builder
plugin for Eclipse (Or more the videos demonstrating it.) for Flash
accessibility issues. There were some caveats, but I don't
remember any real show stoppers. I think the spidering is
handleable as well.
The price issue is a
Message-
From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
OpenLaszlo has an IDE for visual editing. It looks interesting, haven't
played with it much. Flex has a well integrated visual editor
in such a limited roll.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
The info you are looking at regarding Flex pricing appears to be for
the 1.5version. Unless you buy into Flex
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
The info you are looking at regarding Flex pricing appears to be for
the 1.5version. Unless you buy into Flex Data Services
: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
FlexBuilder comes packaged with Eclipse to run as a standalone app, but you
can also choose to install the plugin, if you are already using Eclipse for
CF/Java work, for instance. Then you just change 'perspectives'. You ought
to find some time to download Eclipse
Cfeclipse doesn't require any version of CF to run, it is an IDE.
It does support writing code for both CF5 and CFMX though.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 May 2006 17:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
What
Does the use of Flex require the use of CFEclipse or Eclipse at all?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Cfeclipse doesn't require any version of CF to run
on
the server, or just using the free Flex SDK.
--- Ben
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Does the use of Flex require the use of CFEclipse or Eclipse at all?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Flex has no specific IDE requirements. Flex Builder is an Eclipse based
IDE
(which works really nicely alongside CFEclipse). There are lots
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Flex has no specific IDE requirements. Flex Builder is an Eclipse based IDE
(which works really nicely alongside CFEclipse). There are lots of good
reasons to use Flex Builder to build your Flex 2 apps, but no, Flex Builder
is not required. You can also
So, to clarify...if I *want* to use Flex Builder, then I have
to use Eclipse and/or CFEclipse? I guess I'm trying to
completely understand what is meant by Eclipsed based IDE...
Eclipse is an IDE. FlexBuilder is a plugin for Eclipse. When you install
FlexBuilder, you have the choice to
-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
So, to clarify...if I *want* to use Flex Builder, then I have to use Eclipse
and/or CFEclipse? I guess I'm trying to completely understand what is meant
If you buy FlexBuilder 2 when it is released and install the standalone
version, you won't have to know anything about Eclipse. You are isolated
from Eclipse for the most part. As Ben stated, the IDE runs on top of
Eclipse. If you are using Eclipse as your primary IDE, then you can opt to
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
So, to clarify...if I *want* to use Flex Builder, then I have
to use Eclipse and/or CFEclipse? I guess I'm trying to
completely understand what is meant by Eclipsed based IDE...
Eclipse is an IDE. FlexBuilder is a plugin for Eclipse. When you install
Thanks for the clarification, Ben...got it!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
FlexBuilder is built on top of Eclipse. It can be used in two ways:
1) If you have
-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
If you buy FlexBuilder 2 when it is released and install the standalone
version, you won't have to know anything about Eclipse. You are isolated
from Eclipse for the most part. As Ben stated, the IDE runs on top of
Eclipse. If you are using Eclipse
]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Thanks for the explanation and info, Jeff.
If you are developing Java apps, then the MyEclipse plugin is probably
for you.
No...I don't do anything with Java...
VS2005 has the same idea, except in most
Rick,
I have to say I'm a little confuzzled about all this. I mean, you're in
CF4.5 now and ... you're claiming that $1300 is a lot to cough up for the
CFMX server and that you've made plenty of money with CF4.5, etc. What
happened?
The development difference between CF 4 and CFMX6/7 is night
cfdump alone is worth $1300 :)
On 5/5/06, Todd Rafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rick,
I have to say I'm a little confuzzled about all this. I mean, you're in
CF4.5 now and ... you're claiming that $1300 is a lot to cough up for the
CFMX server and that you've made plenty of money with
Amen! ;)
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
cfdump alone is worth $1300 :)
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Message: http
: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
cfdump alone is worth $1300 :)
~|
Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i
cfdump Never used it...I'll have to look into that, Charlie...maybe
that'll
give me a push back toward CF! ;o)
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
cfdump alone
Server Express...
Upgrade price and client cost to use my apps in-house...there's the
two friction points.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Rick,
I have to say
: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
There were a few custom tags for this that worked in CF4 and above. We use
a in house built framework at one of the places I work and it was built on
CF4. We use it on CF4 to CF6.1 boxes and honestly it does most everything
any of our clients need done there. So
that far back (and software that is so
old that it is no longer supported), that really is the norm.
--- Ben
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Thanks for the feedback
of
theirs for years...
MS is willing to give me a lot of software to get me in the fold...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
There were a few custom
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I had about convinced myself to make the leap from 4.5,
then Adobe decided that I had to pay $1300 while everyone
else has to pay only about $600...just a little annoyed about that.
Just to be this in perspective, had you had upgraded some
Thanks! I'll finally have something named after me! Little ole me!
I want to thank all my fans, friends, etc... ;o)
-Original Message-
From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
We should
I'd learn something other than CF, knowing 4.5.2 well enough to me would be
good enough knowledge to pick up a later version of CFM but it helps none or
very little to learn some other language. The more tools in your box, the
better off you are.
On 5/5/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yep, learn ASP.net 2.0, php, python, or ruby. Learning any of these will
help expand your ideas on how to approach different problems. CF is great,
but it's not always the best solution.
On 5/5/06, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd learn something other than CF, knowing 4.5.2 well
I know it may be the norm, but I still don't have to like
it...it's not like it was a $75 piece of software.
And I've learned from multiple upgrades in prior years of
other software and systems that there're always problems with
upgrading. I've witnessed them on this list.
I just
ASP.NET 2.0...harder to code, I think, but seems to have
functions that CF 7 doesn't. All the software from OS,
server (IIS 6), Visual Web Developer, all from the same
company and integrated in approach...
And, likewise, CFMX 7 has lots of functionality that ASP.NET doesn't have.
For the
greater
ROI...and that's what we're all after.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I know it may be the norm, but I still don't have to like
it...it's not like
.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
ASP.NET 2.0...harder to code, I think, but seems to have
functions that CF 7 doesn't. All the software from OS,
server
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I've been using Visual Web Dev(2005 Express, is there another version?)
lately. One thing to keep in mind is that it's for .Net 2.0 and from the
info I've found on the web, you can't make it only play with 1.0 or 1.1
OpenLaszlo has an IDE for visual editing. It looks interesting, haven't
played with it much. Flex has a well integrated visual editor as well.
They're both sorta left of the HTML experience though...
I'm guessing VWD stands for Visual Web Design, and thus this
comment.
:)enny
On 5/4/06, Rick
Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 23:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything else
at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only
Nevermind Dave, go back to sleep.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 21:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Now that is not what I said is it.
That is certainly the implication of your statement.
I am simply saying
to create anything
but asp.net pages? Can it be used to create cfm pages?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I've been using Visual Web Dev(2005 Express
From an administration standpoint, 4.5.1 is a nightmare compared to MX.
Sandboxes are a good thing. You can secure MX much better than 4.5.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
That's pretty
Nevermind Dave, go back to sleep.
That's a great idea! And while I'm asleep, I'll dream of a world where
everyone understands English.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers
Go for it.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 May 2006 17:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Nevermind Dave, go back to sleep.
That's a great idea! And while I'm asleep, I'll dream of a world where
everyone understands
But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly
successful, on top of the money you have to spend on an MS
solution.
Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
software. In addition, you can
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly
successful
: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly successful,
on top of the money you have to spend on an MS solution.
Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
u can install it all on your dev/testing servers and office workstations,
presuming they are something to do with development.
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I thought
Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:50
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.
Free is cheaper than cheap.
And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is
unbeatable. All the software u need
Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I thought the licensing for the action pack did not allow people to run
the
software beyond evaluation/demo use.
On 5/2/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Yes well at the end of the day, unless someone from MS visits
every subscriber, they dunno what your using it for do they.
And how many end users can't afford the software off the
shelf anyway and use pirate copies.
So paying for action pack is certainly better than doing
that, at least
Was just about to sign up when I spotted:
Offer good in the United States and Canada only through June 30, 2006,
while supplies last.
:O(
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 May 2006 17:10
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
it a lot better if I had used a CF framework
and moved beyond CF 4.5.2... :oP
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Plunkett, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Adam, I've been watching the recorded
12:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Not quite sure I understand your response...it seems like
we're saying the same thing...
Scenario 1:
Server Hardware
Windows Server OS
Cold Fusion Server
Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers as above,
paying
: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
Yes well at the end of the day, unless someone from MS visits every
subscriber, they dunno what your using it for do they.
And how many end users can't afford the software off the shelf anyway
and use pirate copies.
So paying for action pack is certainly
Now that is not what I said is it.
That is certainly the implication of your statement.
I am simply saying, some people will do and do do it anyway.
You can say it's wrong till the cows come come, but that wont
stop people doing it.
So why did you mention it in the first place?
Dave
I hear what you're saying about the programming
part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
simple...add, update, delete, report.
Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
of the work I do. And according to the ASP.NET Programming
for Cold Fusion
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
I hear what you're saying about the programming
part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
simple...add, update, delete, report.
Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
of the work I do. And according
for awhile. But
in
the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book
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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
If I was in your shoes I would be learning something like Flex 2 and then
figuring out what language you want to use to serve data to/from it could be
CFM or whatever you pick.
On 5/2/06
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