Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-23 Thread Kent Yu
I cannot see any problem using vlan from your access layer up to the aggregation point, as long as the PE has enough capacity to hold the routes. If necessary, you can always use several PEs in one location to spread out your aggregation, you may want to use some lower end routers/switches, kind o

RE: mpls vis a vis the routing & switching tra [7:49048]

2002-07-17 Thread Paul Jin
For a week or so, the CCIE proctors from Cisco are answering ccie lab related questions at @!#$. You can double check your questions there. http://www.@!#$.com - Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=49087&t=49048

RE: mpls vis a vis the routing & switching track [7:49048]

2002-07-17 Thread Mirza, Timur
i forgot to include the url, here it is: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/cert.html -Original Message- From: Mirza, Timur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mpls vis a vis the routing & switching track

Re: MPLS on existing routers [7:43414]

2002-05-06 Thread Tom Scott
Sean Knox wrote: > This might help: > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/2600/prodlit/1575_pp.htm > > Goes over some MPLS terminology and concepts as well as the product lines > needed to accomplish various roles on the MPLS network (CE, PE, P). Thanks for the reference. Here's what the

Re: MPLS on existing routers [7:43414]

2002-05-06 Thread Michael L. Williams
"dre" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Also, most production networks use 12.0ST for MPLS-TE and MPLS-VPN, > and even then, they use specialized custom code (IOS patches) that you > cannot download on CCO. If you want real-world experience, you have to start there

Re: MPLS on existing routers [7:43414]

2002-05-06 Thread Sasa Milic
12.2(8)T1, telco feature set, runs on 2600 with 8MB flash and 32 MB dram. That should be enough for MPLS. dre wrote: > > 2600 supports MPLS labels only (not MPLS-TE, etc) code to run would be > 12.1.14 (48M DRAM, 16M Flash) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=434

RE: MPLS on existing routers [7:43414]

2002-05-06 Thread Sean Knox
This might help: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/2600/prodlit/1575_pp.htm Goes over some MPLS terminology and concepts as well as the product lines needed to accomplish various roles on the MPLS network (CE, PE, P). Sean > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:

Re: MPLS on existing routers [7:43414]

2002-05-06 Thread dre
2500 does not support MPLS, but it does support ISIS and BGP - 12.0.22 (4M DRAM / 8M Flash) 2600 supports MPLS labels only (not MPLS-TE, etc) code to run would be 12.1.14 (48M DRAM, 16M Flash) 3600 supports MPLS well with: MPLS labels -> 12.0.22 (48M DRAM, 8M Flash) MPLS, MPLS-TE -> 12.1.14 (48M

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-25 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >> >I'm serious. Is there any reason why MPLS cannot be transported directly >on >> >fiber, >> >perhaps even in time slots? Have the GMPLS and IPO WGs addressed this >issue? >> > >> >-- TT >> >> That's exactly what those two working groups are doing, and other

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-24 Thread Tom Scott
"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >I'm serious. Is there any reason why MPLS cannot be transported directly on > >fiber, > >perhaps even in time slots? Have the GMPLS and IPO WGs addressed this issue? > > > >-- TT > > That's exactly what those two working groups are doing, and other > groups in the

Re: mpls exam [7:42225]

2002-04-23 Thread Tom Scott
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > I passed it. Just read the 2 Cicso books, know ATM well, and use every > other source you have. I was hoping to get by with minimal ATM but I gather from what you say that the interworking of MPLS and ATM is considered a necessary part of the ceritification. Accord

RE: mpls exam [7:42225]

2002-04-23 Thread William Gragido
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mpls exam [7:42225] I passed it. Just read the 2 Cicso books, know ATM well, and use every other source you have. I hear that Foundry'

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 8:14 AM -0400 4/23/02, Tom Scott wrote: >"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >> >Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS implementations in low >> >end Cisco products? It's been my understanding that VPI/VCI field usage >> >for labels in any implementation is generally not used. Eve

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-23 Thread Tom Scott
"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS implementations in low > >end Cisco products? It's been my understanding that VPI/VCI field usage > >for labels in any implementation is generally not used. Every mpls network > >I've worked on used shim headers

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Peter van Oene
Hi Tom, Which URL are you looking for? At 07:15 PM 4/22/2002 -0400, Tom Scott wrote: >Music to my ears. > >If anyone has a list of exercises for would-be MPLS addicts, please post the >URL. > >-- TT > >"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > > > >Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS imple

Re: mpls exam [7:42225]

2002-04-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I passed it. Just read the 2 Cicso books, know ATM well, and use every other source you have. I hear that Foundry's MPLS is better though "Dave Dunbar" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/22/2002 11:35 PM Please respond to "Dave Dunbar" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Tom Scott
Music to my ears. If anyone has a list of exercises for would-be MPLS addicts, please post the URL. -- TT "Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS implementations in low > >end Cisco products? It's been my understanding that VPI/VCI field usage > >fo

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS implementations in low >end Cisco products? It's been my understanding that VPI/VCI field usage >for labels in any implementation is generally not used. Every mpls network >I've worked on used shim headers which makes MPLS l2 agnostic. Not as

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Peter van Oene
Is there some reason that ATM is necessary for MPLS implementations in low end Cisco products? It's been my understanding that VPI/VCI field usage for labels in any implementation is generally not used. Every mpls network I've worked on used shim headers which makes MPLS l2 agnostic. At 05:

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>according to Cisco's Software Advisor: ( requires CCO login ) >http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/support/tac/t_index.shtml#S >scroll down to the software advisor link > >CEF/dCEF is supported on any number of IOS images for the 2500 ( except for >the image I have in my own pod, of course :- wrote in

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Chuck
according to Cisco's Software Advisor: ( requires CCO login ) http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/support/tac/t_index.shtml#S scroll down to the software advisor link CEF/dCEF is supported on any number of IOS images for the 2500 ( except for the image I have in my own pod, of course :- wrote in messa

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Tom Scott
RFC 2547 would be nice but not necessary. What I''d like is practice with the paths, basic things like that. Regarding the use of CEF, is that required? I was hoping for low-budget MPLS labs, maybe even down into the 1600 or 1700 Series. If one were willing to give up the efficiency of the CEF swi

Re: MPLS for the man on the street (without ATM) [7:42214]

2002-04-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Howard and scenario builders, > >Do you have any MPLS labs that don't use ATM? Maybe combining low-end >(read "affordable") cisco routers and James Leu's "MPLS for LInux" >project? > >-- TT > Good idea. I haven't written any yet for our labs, but we specifically upgraded equipment to do so. Th

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40207]

2002-04-02 Thread Tom Ranalli
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40207] Hi List, If you would read this study guide to it's end, you could find there nice ~10 lines perl script which explains what the guy actually did - he just shifted ascii of each english letter 128 chars. Have I mentioned that my m

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40207]

2002-04-02 Thread Semion Lisyansky
Hi List, If you would read this study guide to it's end, you could find there nice ~10 lines perl script which explains what the guy actually did - he just shifted ascii of each english letter 128 chars. Have I mentioned that my mother tongue is Russian? -- Semion Lisyansky

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Its in english now http://www.certificationzone.com/studyguides/studyview/?Issue=51&IssueDate=04-02-2002&CP=1 "Brian Zeitz" @groupstudy.com on 04/01/2002 12:00:40 PM Please respond to "Brian Zeitz" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Su

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
rom: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:29 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] > >I don't know, last time someone made a pitch like that. I found out they >got paid for doing work for the site.

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
> >An April fools joke to market your website... So you win either way... > Brian, You seem hostile about this. Could you tell me what subterfuge was involved? From the very beginning, it was identified with Certzone. Whether or not it was marketing -- I agree it is, and personally had nothin

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread Robert Fowler
, 2002 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Galina Pildush is CCIE # 3176 and currently is active. C.Q.Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Fowler Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:57 PM To

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread Nguyen, Cuong Q
Galina Pildush is CCIE # 3176 and currently is active. C.Q.Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Fowler Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] I noticed a

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-02 Thread Brian Zeitz
http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40180&t=40035 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
02/04/2002 11:07 am - "Howard C. Berkowitz" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/04/2002 07:27 am Please respond to "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] It's actually in

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>! >! >! >Howard: It's in cyrillic characters but it certainly isn't in Russian. >The English can be read if one sounds out the cyrillic characters. I'm >not a Russian reader but I do know how to sound out most of the >alphabet. This was confirmed by a native Russian speaker. > >One of the firs

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Fred Ingham
! ! ! Howard: It's in cyrillic characters but it certainly isn't in Russian. The English can be read if one sounds out the cyrillic characters. I'm not a Russian reader but I do know how to sound out most of the alphabet. This was confirmed by a native Russian speaker. One of the first lines

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm
--Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Today's date? Here? The 2nd of April (when the mail was sent)! Gee, som

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
, to each his own > > > >-Original Message- >From: Robert Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:00 PM >To: Brian Zeitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] > > > >Actually, the site provi

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please respond to "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] >Yea.. I am sure it is great.. if you are fluent in Russian > >Tim >CCIE 9015 May I point out today's

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Fowler
nded opinion in pursuit of his 3rd major certification. :) -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] I don't know, last time someone made a pitch like t

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Fred Ingham
ersa. So the joke is not on me :) Thanks > for the free guide :) > > -Original Message- > From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] > &

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Brian Zeitz
s you mentioned :-) Anyway, to each his own -Original Message- From: Robert Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:00 PM To: Brian Zeitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Actually, the site provides much more than th

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
It's actually in Russian, but it turned out that it was highly dependent on browser. Word 2000, almost any browser on the Mac as long as the OS is Mac X, etc., work, as do an assortment of other things. I personally can't read it, but I promise: the April Fool's part really is in Russian

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Fowler
I noticed a Galina Pildush was listed as CCIE # 5858, but using Cisco's on-line verification tool it shows a David Wolsefer as being CCIE # 5858. Does Cisco has a certification path for people with split personalities? :) -Original Message- From: David Wolsefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Fowler
think it's worth every dollar my employer spent. :) Robert -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Figure out the font then? It is probably Wingdings

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Brian Zeitz
ments, Powerpoint slides etc. Maybe they encrypted it in DES? Ha ha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] This isn't in Russian, it's a tra

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This isn't in Russian, it's a transliteration of English using Cyrillic characters. April Fool. Someone's cute idea - bet the English character version is going to cost. Fred. > Yea.. I am sure it is great.. if you are fluent in Russian > > Tim > CCIE 9015 > > -Original Message-

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Chuck
those preparing for upcoming lab dates, not to mention dealing with crabby customers, have no sense of humor. BTW, Howard, I ran into a quote of yours on a terrorism newsgroup of all places. something about false pregnancy being the result of laboring under a misconception. Chuck ""Howard C.

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread jcgarcia
It is not permited to sse it! yousiad it is free today!! Julio Garcia - Original Message - From: "David Wolsefer" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] > Galina Pildush is publishing an MPLS white paper today on > www.certificati

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Yea.. I am sure it is great.. if you are fluent in Russian > >Tim >CCIE 9015 May I point out today's date? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >David Wolsefer >Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: MP

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Clayton Dukes
Uhh, No Speaka Rusky Free Cisco Cisco Stuff at http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: "David Wolsefer" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] > Galina Pildush is publishing an MPLS white paper today

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Brian Zeitz
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Yea.. I am sure it is great.. if you are fluent in Russian Tim CCIE 9015 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Wolsefer

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thats hebrew is it?? "David Wolsefer" @groupstudy.com on 04/01/2002 10:21:18 AM Please respond to "David Wolsefer" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Galina Pildush is publishing an MPLS white paper today on www.cer

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Peter van Oene
what's funny? At 10:49 AM 4/1/2002 -0500, James Haynes wrote: >That's funny. > >-- >James Haynes >Network Architect >Cendant IT >A+,MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCDP, >CQS-SNA/IPSS > >""David Wolsefer"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Galina Pildush is publishing an MPL

RE: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread Tim O'Brien
Yea.. I am sure it is great.. if you are fluent in Russian Tim CCIE 9015 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Wolsefer Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035] Gal

Re: MPLS White Paper Announcement [7:40035]

2002-04-01 Thread James Haynes
That's funny. -- James Haynes Network Architect Cendant IT A+,MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCDP, CQS-SNA/IPSS ""David Wolsefer"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Galina Pildush is publishing an MPLS white paper today on > www.certificationzone.com. You better hurry though

RE: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-22 Thread Warner Dan
So the answer is it depends! On what type of interface you are running. If you are using the Flexwan or Optical Service modules, then yes, it supports ingree and egress MPLS L3 VPNs as a PE. You also need a SUP2/MSFC2/PFC2 to do this. Might want to be running Native code set also. The issue r

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 3:29 AM -0500 3/22/02, Tom Scott wrote: >Kent, Irwin, > >This is an interesting exchange of perspectives. Could you >or someone else comment on GMPLS? GMPLS does many of the things you are describing. It "generalizes" MPLS setup beyond the current packet/frame oriented paths to paths that do

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-22 Thread Tom Scott
Kent, Irwin, This is an interesting exchange of perspectives. Could you or someone else comment on GMPLS? How does it factor into the comparison of MPLS vs. FR? Is there anything about the combination of MPLS / GMPLS that gives it an advantage over FR? Another issue I'd like to understand in thi

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-21 Thread Kent Yu
Irwin, ""Irwin Lazar"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > John, > > I think you brought an interesting topic. > > With all these pitches about Layer 3 VPN, the question has been bothering me > for a while, how many enterprises out there really need to have an > an

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-21 Thread nrf
But honestly now, how many enterprises really need their frame-relay circuits configured for full-mesh? Almost none. And in particular, if you really want to talk about offering FR circuits over MPLS, why mess around with RFC2547 (L3VPN's)? You talk about looking at and routing customer's layer-

RE: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-21 Thread Warner Dan
John, What kind of circuits do you have today. The cool thing about MPLS is that lets say your have a lot of Frame-Relay circuits. As a service provider, I could take those FR circuits in and give you a full-mesh. How, by using MPLS VPNs. So what I do now is pay attention to your ip routing,

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-03-21 Thread Warner Dan
So to answer your original question, yes! So what do you have to study. Well you might want to know how to set up simple label switching. This includes P and PE. You might also want to setup VPNs using OSPF and IS-IS as the transit IGP. You might also want to set it up using MP-BGP. Also pla

Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-20 Thread Kent Yu
- Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] > > Personally, I think RFC2547 will be surpassed by L2VPN's (both kinds), at > least in the foreseeable future. Couldn't agree more on this.

RE: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-20 Thread Michael Cohen
layer 3 VPN's... Cheers, -Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] Surely you will agree that VPN's that require MBGP, which includ

Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-20 Thread Kent Yu
- Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] > > Personally, I think RFC2547 will be surpassed by L2VPN's (both kinds), at > least in the foreseeable future. Couldn't agree more on this.

Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-20 Thread nrf
e- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] > > > EoMPLS was exactly what I was referring to. The guy asked for PE > capability, but didn&#

RE: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-20 Thread Michael Cohen
d not be good news:( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] EoMPLS was exactly what I was referring to. The guy asked for PE capability, but didn'

Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-19 Thread nrf
; > -Michael Cohen > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] > > > Yes > > > ""flight"

RE: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-19 Thread Michael Cohen
able what code is it on? Thanks, -Michael Cohen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749] Yes ""flight"" wrote in message

Re: MPLS VPN [7:38749]

2002-03-18 Thread nrf
Yes ""flight"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > CAN C6K ACT AS THE PE DEVICES > > -- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=38755&t=38749 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: ht

RE: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-11 Thread Irwin Lazar
John, I think you brought an interesting topic. With all these pitches about Layer 3 VPN, the question has been bothering me for a while, how many enterprises out there really need to have an any-to-any solution? Less than 0.5% is my guess. Most of the enterprise client/server applications fit

Re: Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-10 Thread Henry D.
Interesting, let me also bring few things up here, not that I have much experience in MPLS/VPN but who does ? :-) I suppose one of the problems with this particular service is that not all SP's or Enterprises fully understand the potential, or technology in general. First, SP's might not be able

Re: Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-09 Thread John Neiberger
To make things even more interesting... While discussing this with a few different vendors I decided that this particular solution is smoke-and-mirrors, at least in our area. We'd have to buy new point-to-point circuits that all point to a _single_ POP. MPLS isn't even needed in this case be

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-03-09 Thread Kent Yu
John, I think you brought an interesting topic. With all these pitches about Layer 3 VPN, the question has been bothering me for a while, how many enterprises out there really need to have an any-to-any solution? Less than 0.5% is my guess. Most of the enterprise client/server applications fit

Re: MPLS and AS5300 [7:37252]

2002-03-05 Thread Darrell Newcomb
>From the top of my head the cisco party line on this is to use the as5300 as a LAC for a 7200/7400/... LNS which would do the MPLS encaps. Then again there has been a lot of standards work on making the LNS/LAC communication over MPLS. There's my two cents for what it's worth. But these devel

RE: MPLS and AS5300 [7:37252]

2002-03-05 Thread Woods, Randall, SOLCM
searching the software advisor by features, doesn't look like the as5300 support MPLS. Maybe someone can find something different. Woody CCNP -Original Message- From: Michalis Palis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MPLS and A

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-03-01 Thread nrf
Uh, Are you sure? Take a look at the C/S lab requirements. Not the written requirements, but the lab requirements. Notice how the lab has practically nothing to do with the written(s). Part of the great confusion over the C/S program is the fact that it has 8 possible writtens (each one concen

RE: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-03-01 Thread travis marlow
um...I work with Optical/voice/cable/dsl.. I didn't know about this cert but it sounds pretty good. I'm concentrating on the R/S right now because I believe that it is a good foundation to expand from. I work for a Cable/Telephone/Broadband Internet company that offers all 3 services over a sin

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread nrf
onment in the same company? > Just my $0.2 > > > >From: "Michael Cohen" > >Reply-To: "Michael Cohen" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] > >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:11:48 -0500 > > > >Where did

RE: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Cisco Nuts
be in the real world? I mean how many people out there actually work in a optical/voice/dsl/cable environment in the same company? Just my $0.2 >From: "Michael Cohen" >Reply-To: "Michael Cohen" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] &

RE: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Cohen
idder Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] That C/S cert seems to be the way to go! That's what I'd go for, but since only one person has ever passed it, I think it may be safe to say that I'd never get a CCIE number tha

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread nrf
Well no, I would actually argue that right now the Juniper JNCIE is the better way to go, for a number of reasons. Yeah yeah, I know I'm going to get flamed for that (and already had been, on previous occasions when I said this). But the fact is, not only is the JNCIE program is testing on the

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Chuck
DecNet, IPX and AppleTalk. Of course chaos, apollo and pup I haven't seen > recently in the real world. > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > - Original Message - > From: "Steven A. Ridder" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Steven A Ridder
That C/S cert seems to be the way to go! That's what I'd go for, but since only one person has ever passed it, I think it may be safe to say that I'd never get a CCIE number that way. I may go for that cert once I get my R/S CCIE done. What makes that test so hard? And has anyone heard anythi

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Nilesh Pujari
Here u go. CCIE Communications & Services http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/services.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=36809&t=36682 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://w

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-02-28 Thread John Neiberger
The latter option is what it sounds like they're offering. My understanding is that our routers would still need to run a routing protocol to advertise local rotues to the SP, but they'd only actually use a default route pointing back to the SP. According to them--or at least the sales drone I w

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-02-28 Thread Peter van Oene
This really depends on whether or not they are pitching a Layer 2 VPN service or a Layer 3 VPN service. With the former, there shouldn't be much of any reconfig at your end as the transport mechanism with the SP will remain transparent to you. With the latter, you'd would transition much of

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Steven A Ridder
t is outdated or not. I still have customers running > > Vines, > > > DecNet, IPX and AppleTalk. Of course chaos, apollo and pup I haven't > seen > > > recently in the real world. > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.c

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-28 Thread Mike Mandulak
Tis a shame too. I ran a Vines network for about 8 years and have yet to find a better protocol. - Original Message - From: "ko haag" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] > Same here, alot of my customers are still running

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread nrf
. I still have customers running > Vines, > > DecNet, IPX and AppleTalk. Of course chaos, apollo and pup I haven't seen > > recently in the real world. > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > - Original Message - > > Fro

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread ko haag
ers running Vines, > DecNet, IPX and AppleTalk. Of course chaos, apollo and pup I haven't seen > recently in the real world. > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > - Original Message - > From: "Steven A. Ridder" > To: > Sent:

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread Steven A. Ridder
I haven't seen > recently in the real world. > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > - Original Message - > From: "Steven A. Ridder" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] >

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread Persio Pucci
en at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/beta_exams.h tm). Maybe we can expect a new recycle at the CCIE program? Persio - Original Message - From: "Steven A. Ridder" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

Re: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-02-27 Thread Rob Webber
I see your point on security, but I don't completely agree. Your current Frame Relay network is only as secure as your carrier. If someone at your carrier maps a PVC between you and company X, real traffic can flow (assuming your router picks it up and places on the physical interface, which it li

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread David C Prall
"Steven A. Ridder" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682] > For routing and switching - none. Is it me or is the R&S track getting > outdated? It seems to cover technologies that, although are useful, not as > current. > > --

Re: MPLS in CCIE [7:36682]

2002-02-27 Thread Steven A. Ridder
For routing and switching - none. Is it me or is the R&S track getting outdated? It seems to cover technologies that, although are useful, not as current. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. ""Persio Pucci"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > How much of MPLS (if some at all

Some Answers RE: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-02-27 Thread John Neiberger
Okay, I just got off the phone with a vendor and I have a better handle on what they're actually proposing. Here's the scoop: They offer a couple of different variations of the MPLS solution. The first solution requires that we readdress our entire network to match their addressing scheme. Thi

RE: MPLS in the Enterprise [7:36670]

2002-02-27 Thread Joseph Brunner
i was pitched this very thing recently by wcom and qwest.. basically it is only as secure as your carriers.. if some "f*cks up" and imports something into your VRF, either a default, another vpn, or whatever you security is finished.. plug banks are supposed to encrypt over IPSEC, so why bother ru

Re: MPLS [7:35366]

2002-02-14 Thread richard dumoulin
Kevin, Thanks for ur help. I am having a rest from the office and I believe my coleague made it worked by creating an ebgp session between 2 loopback addresses. Now my issue is how to make it work with a 128 Kbps isdn access line. Cisco has still not solved the ppp multilink issue into an MPLS b

Re: MPLS [7:35366]

2002-02-13 Thread Kevin St. Amour
I did this a couple of months ago, but I belive I did it on a juniper PE to a cisco CE. I'll Have to check when I go into work in the am. I'll get back to ya but I don;t belive the PE in this case was a Cisco. I might be able to help anyway. Let me look into it. --- richard dumoulin wrote: > An

Re: MPLS and VPN Architectures book [7:34792]

2002-02-09 Thread nrf
; > -Original Message- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MPLS and VPN Architectures book [7:34792] > > > The book is all-right, it's not great. It's OK as an intro book to

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