Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread dave engvall
EDM of one sort or another comes up every few years. Pete Grundemann(sp?) put one together. His demo was to edm threads in a file. tomp ... now in Thailand has a lot of experience in edm. tjtr33...atgmailcom Someone brought a non-working commercial wire edm to Galesburg and almost had it

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/31/2021 07:22 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I found some of the earlier articles in Home Shop Machinist Issue's May/June 1995 and September/October 1995. I do not have part 2 published in July/August 1995. However, in the 3rd part Robert Langlois describes the stepper motor operation in co

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread Gerrit Visser
, 2021 12:57 AM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch Hi Gerrit the difference between senkung and draht erodien generator is the pulse width in wedm 1-10uS is the entire spectrum in sink edm 1-3000uS is the spectrum in any edm that uses the very sort

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 09:42, Thomas J Powderly wrote: (Snip the other stuff, all noted) > a use of adaptive feed wull never apprach the needed jittery advance of > edm, adaptive feed never reacts negatively, That is no longer the case. LinuxCNC now supports negative adaptive feed, introduced sp

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread John Dammeyer
ced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch > > Problem solved. > > -Original Message- > From: John Dammeyer > Sent: January 31, 2021 2:35 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from sc

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread Thomas J Powderly
Hi Gerrit the difference between senkung and draht erodien generator is the pulse width in wedm 1-10uS is the entire spectrum in sink edm 1-3000uS is the spectrum in any edm that uses the very sort pulse, it is important that the current shut-off be complete and very fast ( all inductanc ei

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-02-01 Thread Thomas J Powderly
Hi Andy if your path is a straight line dont use linuxcnc , just hal use steppers to advance use an opamp window comparator with a too high and a too low threshold when your measured voltage is too high advance 1 step else dont move, just wait if too low, turn off the power , maybe retract no l

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread ken.strauss
Problem solved. -Original Message- From: John Dammeyer Sent: January 31, 2021 2:35 PM To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch Rats. I'm missing #169 for some reason. The series I was thinking about was in issues #57..#60 and

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Dave Matthews
: Gerrit Visser [mailto:gerr...@psgv.ca] > > Sent: January-31-21 11:06 AM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch > > > > Issue 168, Oct 2010 is the first installment > > > > Gerrit > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread John Dammeyer
Original Message- > From: Gerrit Visser [mailto:gerr...@psgv.ca] > Sent: January-31-21 11:06 AM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch > > Issue 168, Oct 2010 is the first installment > > Gerrit > > -Origin

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Gerrit Visser
Issue 168, Oct 2010 is the first installment Gerrit -Original Message- From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] Sent: January 31, 2021 1:31 PM To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch Andy, Check out this

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread John Dammeyer
dge...@gmail.com] > Sent: January-31-21 5:28 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch > > I have started to play around with EDM. The intention is to make an > EDM "grinder" to profile tool steel and possibly carbide cutting to

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread John Dammeyer
inpoint which issues. John Dammeyer > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: January-31-21 5:28 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch > > I have started to play around with EDM. The intention

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Gerrit Visser
Another source of information about pulse generator design: https://langfordw.pages.cba.mit.edu/desktopWEDM/electronics/ https://www.cnc.info.pl/drazenie-metoda-domowa-moje-proby-t11692-20.html (Google translate helps here:-)) Again, my focus is on wire EDM but there must be similarities Ger

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Gerrit Visser
There might be some gems in this video? I have an interest (presently on hold) to make a wire edm so have been collecting information etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IWWa0xCd04&t=9s There is also a Polish forum where someone describes their power supply as well as details on how they use

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 at 16:06, Jon Elson wrote: > I made a simple EDM for tap burning type jobs a long time > ago. It used something like 36 V DC, 30 Ohm resistor and a > selection of oil-paper capacitors of 1, 2, 4 and 6 uF or > so. A common thread here seems to be that my 1000uF electrolytic i

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/31/2021 07:28 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have started to play around with EDM. The intention is to make an EDM "grinder" to profile tool steel and possibly carbide cutting tools using CNC-turned profiles. A fancy commercial (and patented) EDM system was described by a tech who worked on them

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/31/2021 07:28 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have started to play around with EDM. The intention is to make an EDM "grinder" to profile tool steel and possibly carbide cutting tools using CNC-turned profiles. I think that it shows promise, but only partly works. I am using a 50R resistor and a

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 31 January 2021 08:28:13 andy pugh wrote: > I have started to play around with EDM. The intention is to make an > EDM "grinder" to profile tool steel and possibly carbide cutting tools > using CNC-turned profiles. > > At the moment I am using a cobbled-together XY table with a couple of

Re: [Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread Peter Blodow
Andy, I have been experimenting with EDM long time ago, say 25 years. I used a simple RC-circuit together with a "soft" transformer (ca.1.5 mm air gap) in order to forgive for the shorts and save fuses. All was mounted on my drill press. I gave up when I realized that without a controlled tran

[Emc-users] EDM from scratch

2021-01-31 Thread andy pugh
I have started to play around with EDM. The intention is to make an EDM "grinder" to profile tool steel and possibly carbide cutting tools using CNC-turned profiles. At the moment I am using a cobbled-together XY table with a couple of STMBL drives. One of the STMBL analogue inputs is used to meas

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 01 August 2019 20:51:56 Gene Heskett wrote: > > If you can see why I'm only seeing a 90 degree arc in the backplot, > teach me what is wrong. Wrong K. Its running, but very very slowly. About .5 ipm And from the looks of the carbide tool I'm using for electrode, its going away faste

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 01 August 2019 13:01:25 andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 16:47, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > Did that got g3 error, usual recipe, converted it back to g17, lcnc > > > bought it but back plot shows the arc as a straight line??? > That turned out to be a missing F in the G2/3 lines

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 16:47, Gene Heskett wrote: Did that got g3 error, usual recipe, converted it back to g17, lcnc > bought it but back plot shows the arc as a straight line??? > At this point I would give up and use R-format arcs. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachm

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 01 August 2019 05:52:06 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 01 August 2019 02:59:37 andy pugh wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 04:36, Gene Heskett > > wrote: > > > > output of arcgenm18.py is assumeing G17. not G18. So I need to > > > > > translate the ijk into what it would be for G18

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 01 August 2019 02:59:37 andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 04:36, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > output of arcgenm18.py is assumeing G17. not G18. So I need to > > > translate the ijk into what it would be for G18 motion. Is there a > > rule of thumb for that? > > G17 XY IJ > G18 XZ

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 01 August 2019 02:59:37 andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 04:36, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > output of arcgenm18.py is assumeing G17. not G18. So I need to > > > translate the ijk into what it would be for G18 motion. Is there a > > rule of thumb for that? > > G17 XY IJ > G18 XZ

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-08-01 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 04:36, Gene Heskett wrote: output of arcgenm18.py is assumeing G17. not G18. So I need to > translate the ijk into what it would be for G18 motion. Is there a rule > of thumb for that? > G17 XY IJ G18 XZ IK G19 YZ JK So to change a G17 arc to a G18 change Y to Z and J to

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 30 July 2019 23:52:23 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > you ask for long lasting > that would be tungsten carbide > but > i suggest using easy to manufacture, easy to find, low cost > because it will wear anyway > > so copper, with little lead ( often copper sold will be 'machineable' > which m

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 31 July 2019 09:39:22 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 15:29, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > Carbide was mentioned, I might even see how long this now dull tool > would > > > work. Running backwards so the spiral is carrying fresh water down > > to the fire on the bottom face? L

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 15:29, Gene Heskett wrote: Carbide was mentioned, I might even see how long this now dull tool would > work. Running backwards so the spiral is carrying fresh water down to > the fire on the bottom face? Lots of things to try. :) > Do you really mean "Woodruff" here? --

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 31 July 2019 05:10:08 Andy Pugh wrote: > > On 31 Jul 2019, at 04:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > So it appears I will have to dig the keyways by EDM. > > A rotating disc electrode would seem to be a natural for EDMing a > Woodruff slot. > Sourceing a piece of brass that thickness? Pr

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 31 Jul 2019, at 04:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > > So it appears I will have to dig the keyways by EDM. A rotating disc electrode would seem to be a natural for EDMing a Woodruff slot. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 30 July 2019 23:52:23 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > > So it appears I will have to dig the keyways by EDM. > you ask for long lasting > that would be tungsten carbide > but > i suggest using easy to manufacture, easy to find, low cost > because it will wear anyway > > so copper, with littl

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 30 July 2019 22:52:06 Jon Elson wrote: > On 07/30/2019 09:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > Like Jon said on the sheldon list. woodruff keys cut into a case > > hardened shaft are a bear. Carbide makes a mark, for about 5 > > seconds. > > > > So it appears I will hav

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-30 Thread TJoseph Powderly
you ask for long lasting that would be tungsten carbide but i suggest using easy to manufacture, easy to find, low cost because it will wear anyway so copper, with little lead ( often copper sold will be 'machineable' which means lead which means higher wear ) for a key way you should be able to

Re: [Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/30/2019 09:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings all; Like Jon said on the sheldon list. woodruff keys cut into a case hardened shaft are a bear. Carbide makes a mark, for about 5 seconds. So it appears I will have to dig the keyways by EDM. Because the electrode will go away too, what ma

[Emc-users] EDM forms?

2019-07-30 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; Like Jon said on the sheldon list. woodruff keys cut into a case hardened shaft are a bear. Carbide makes a mark, for about 5 seconds. So it appears I will have to dig the keyways by EDM. Because the electrode will go away too, what makes the longest lasting electrode material?

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-12 Thread TJoseph Powderly
good point i was an applications engineer and i used that trick sometimes you have to think well tho (it dont always work like you think) i always akin it to 'smoke goes up the chimney' and 'dont blow down the chimney' often the heat rise will aid the upwards flow and the swarf contained in the

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Ralph Stirling
I've got a question for you, TomP. Why aren't sinker edm systems operated in an inverted fashion, with the work facing down and the electrode underneath facing upward? I would think gravity could then help clear debris out of the hole. -- Ralph On Feb 11, 2017 2:35 AM, TJoseph Powderly wrot

[Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
You don't say how many holes to drill/hr, how many holes per part, orientation of adjacent holes. (parallel, orthogonal) It may be practical to have a setup with multiple heads that EDM drills all the holes at once. On 10 February 2017 at 23:59, Jim Craig wrote: > I am working on a project at w

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread TJoseph Powderly
thats hot! 1mm dia. tomp On 02/12/17 04:52, Ken Strauss wrote: > A local shop uses the larger version of these to deburr holes drilled in > tubing. They claim to be usable in 0.040 holes and there is a Swiss company > that I can't recall the name of that makes really small ones. > > http://www.ezb

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Jim hello again let me stress the word 'scale' most google hits will claim edm has 'no burr' thats a damn-lie (tm) invented by sales-people i can feel it with my finger tip IF it was done fast on a cheap machine so there is a sliding scale of burr height from nanometers to tens of microns the bur

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Jim Craig
On 2/11/2017 3:52 PM, Ken Strauss wrote: > A local shop uses the larger version of these to deburr holes drilled in > tubing. They claim to be usable in 0.040 holes and there is a Swiss company > that I can't recall the name of that makes really small ones. > > http://www.ezburr.com/products/micro_

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Ken Strauss
- > From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 3:14 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling > > ECM can be good stuff but often slow. LOTS of current at low voltage. > NaCl or NaOH as elect

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread dave
ECM can be good stuff but often slow. LOTS of current at low voltage. NaCl or NaOH as electrolyte. Byproducts may not be soluble and therefore a mess especially if you make ferric hydroxide; a mess to filter. I thought about doing this in salt water. That is use water out of the bay. Not an opti

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Jim Craig
On 2/10/2017 9:01 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: >> The reason I am contemplating the small hole EDM process is three fold. >> First it is difficult to drill these tiny holes in stainless and the >> drill bits frequently break. Secondly the back side of the hole needs to >> be burr free but is difficu

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Jim Craig
> The problem is EDM is very slow. Your holes would take at > the least, several minutes each. But, they'd be pretty clean. > You ought to get in touch with Ben Fleming, he demoed a > pulser EDM system at some of the CNC workshops in Ann Arbor > a few years ago. > > http://www.homebuiltedmmachin

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> >> Seriously though, lasers are expensive. I actually considered lasers > >> first and went back to a regular spindle. > > Also, going back to something else mentioned here, ECM might work. It might > > be especially effective if the geometry allows several holes to be made at > > the same time

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/11/17 17:15, Andy Pugh wrote: > >> On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:42, Jim Craig wrote: >> >> Seriously though, lasers are expensive. I actually considered lasers >> first and went back to a regular spindle. > Also, going back to something else mentioned here, ECM might work. It might > be especial

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-11 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:42, Jim Craig wrote: > > Seriously though, lasers are expensive. I actually considered lasers > first and went back to a regular spindle. Also, going back to something else mentioned here, ECM might work. It might be especially effective if the geometry allows several

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Some googling turned up info on first drilling through with an undersize tool then making a grinding pass to finished size. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12541-012-0123-2 -- Check out the vibrant tech communi

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Small  hole  EDM  (electrical  discharge  machining)  drilling,  also  known  as  fast  hole EDM drilling, hole popper, and start hole EDM drilling, was once relegated to a “last resort” method of drilling holes. Now, small hole EDM drilling is used for production work. Drilling speeds have be

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
i was surprised how much off the shelf stuff exists its not impossible to reverse engineer the connections but a working experience is handy maybe you know an edm service engineer cum hacker? the mechanical stuff ( motors spindles pumps ) are too cheap to mess with diy the guides wont be a diy pr

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 February 2017 21:54:45 Jon Elson wrote: > On 02/10/2017 03:59 PM, Jim Craig wrote: > > So my questions are as follows. What type of power supply would I > > need to use for doing small hole EDM drilling? Can I use a tig > > welder as the power supply and control pulsing with LinuxCNC

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
wow, i gotta look into that epoxy idea, we just pressurized the cavity with water and that was a complex jig already! thx tomp On 02/11/17 05:58, Comcast wrote: > The laser drilling was the first thing I thought of too. Pratt & Whitney > uses this process to drill similar size holes in the turbi

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
re: other technogies... if you can drill it, it'll be faster a good applications engineer from a good company can read your specs and give you tools and tooling that will do the job it may be expensive but its pretty guaranteed and even proven on your test parts tomp On 02/11/17 05:42, Jim Craig

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Jim hello I have worked with a lot of taiwanese hole drills ( hopops for short ) On 02/11/17 04:59, Jim Craig wrote: > I am working on a project at work where we are designing a new CNC > machine for a particular application. Up to this point I have been > planning on using a standard machine spin

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/10/2017 03:59 PM, Jim Craig wrote: > So my questions are as follows. What type of power supply would I need > to use for doing small hole EDM drilling? Can I use a tig welder as the > power supply and control pulsing with LinuxCNC driving an external IGBT? TIG is constant current, and general

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Comcast
The laser drilling was the first thing I thought of too. Pratt & Whitney uses this process to drill similar size holes in the turbine blades. The keep the slag out of the holes they fill the interior of the blade with epoxy: Upon burn through the epoxy virtually explodes, blowing and slag or

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Jim Craig
On 2/10/2017 4:16 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 10 February 2017 at 21:59, Jim Craig wrote: >> The more I think about the actual process and needs of the machine I am >> thinking that a small hole EDM drilling head would be better for this >> application. > > Maybe consider lasers (and sharks?) too: >

Re: [Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 February 2017 at 21:59, Jim Craig wrote: > The more I think about the actual process and needs of the machine I am > thinking that a small hole EDM drilling head would be better for this > application. Maybe consider lasers (and sharks?) too: https://www.oxfordlasers.com/laser-micromachini

[Emc-users] EDM Small Hole Drilling

2017-02-10 Thread Jim Craig
I am working on a project at work where we are designing a new CNC machine for a particular application. Up to this point I have been planning on using a standard machine spindle. The more I think about the actual process and needs of the machine I am thinking that a small hole EDM drilling hea

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-14 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
ur platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users edm-cnc-paper_nc.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-13 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklas, Sarah and all interested in EDM i found this resource unlike most tech sites , the papers are free :-) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/22128271/42/supp/C regards, tomp tjtr33 btw: lots more than edm here! --

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-12 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:50:28 +0700 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > ... > I understand the need for scaling the meters, sort of zoom to look > closer at the process Yes and zoom on step length to fine tune. To scale values in widget is probably a very good idea since it is not real time and only need

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-11 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
ed to work fine after that. > Chris M > > From: Chris Morley > Sent: January 10, 2017 9:51 PM > To: EMC > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments > > > That sounds like a bug...wheel or mouse should move it

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Chris Morley
caled) I tested on my machine it seemed to work fine after that. Chris M From: Chris Morley Sent: January 10, 2017 9:51 PM To: EMC Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments That sounds like a bug...wheel or mouse should move it the same.

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
to watch midrange values closer regards tomp tjtr33 On 01/11/17 04:51, Chris Morley wrote: > That sounds like a bug...wheel or mouse should move it the same. > > - Reply message - > From: "Nicklas Karlsson" > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" &

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Chris Morley
That sounds like a bug...wheel or mouse should move it the same. - Reply message - From: "Nicklas Karlsson" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments Date: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 1:35 PM In sort of the del

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments > Date: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 12:34 PM > > > > I discovered the limitations of the hal inputs, what is needed is: > min > max > scale > incremen

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
son" > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments > Date: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 12:34 PM > > > > I discovered the limitations of the hal inputs, what is needed is: > min > max > scale >

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Chris Morley
Hal dial has a pin called delta scale I think. Then changing the scale (by clicking) only changes the scale of future dial moments, which is what I think you want. Chris M - Reply message - From: "Nicklas Karlsson" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subj

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, user interface, increments

2017-01-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I discovered the limitations of the hal inputs, what is needed is: min max scale increment value increment value change from GUI A choice to between actual or scaled value None of the do it all.The hal dial may change the scale but what is really needed is possibility to change increm

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-06 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I used in CAN network and have seen something about it is available on Ethernet. To send messages over SPI or UART should be no problem. Nice thing is PDO for real time and SDO for configuration, then i use interpolated position mode there is a need to set the gain. On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:19:54

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-06 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklas i found http://www.siegels.us/HomeAutomation/CANOpen_Node_SGS/Tutorial.pdf to learn about canopen pdo very interesting idea you have tomp tjtr33 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals --> Ready to go

2017-01-06 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Hello Nicklas On 01/06/17 21:32, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > I am better do some real machining and research first. Good news is I am > basically ready to go. Yesterday graphics card freeze the screen and Eclipse > refused to work but now everything is good. > > EDM machine is located in cold gara

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals --> Ready to go

2017-01-06 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I am better do some real machining and research first. Good news is I am basically ready to go. Yesterday graphics card freeze the screen and Eclipse refused to work but now everything is good. EDM machine is located in cold garage and temperature is to low this weekend so I postpone test run b

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-06 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 01/06/17 15:55, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: >> Nicklashello >> the time from voltage turn-on until the voltage dropis the ionization time >> this can be used as an indication of the gap 'clean'. >> >> as the cut progresses and more debris is generated, >> this time measure will change and decreas

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-06 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> Nicklashello > the time from voltage turn-on until the voltage dropis the ionization time > this can be used as an indication of the gap 'clean'. > > as the cut progresses and more debris is generated, > this time measure will change and decrease > because the debris will reducethedielectric qu

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-05 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklashello the time from voltage turn-on until the voltage dropis the ionization time this can be used as an indication of the gap 'clean'. the idea is that IF the gap is very clean , and constantly clean, each ignition delay time measured will be uniform and will be a 'standard' value for compa

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-05 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I am thinking about the ionization and sparc counters. These counters might be useful to calculate how well the process work and maybe adjust parameters? On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 23:53:55 +0700 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > Hello > video of early iteration of edm panel in use > https://videobin.org/+fe8/

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals --> Protocol

2017-01-05 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Not yet I am still thinking. CANopen is used on CAN but I have also seen implementation over Ethernet and guess same packet could be routed to serial or SPI. CANopen protocol is attractive because it have simple PDO for real time data and SDO for dictionary with parameters. What I want is a st

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:40:39 +0700 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > Nicklas, hello > > > On 01/03/17 04:17, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > > I made local change to the hostmot2 stepper drivers to both send and > > receive absolute position encoder style. Behaviour could be changed with > > configuration p

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> Nicklas hello > everybody is a novice in EDM, its just full of surprises ;-) > > 'interpolated position mode' ...doesthis mean position loop in hardware? No but it could as well be. It is position loop locally inside servo driver. It is ran twice each switching period, once for each switching

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklas, hello On 01/03/17 04:17, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > I made local change to the hostmot2 stepper drivers to both send and receive > absolute position encoder style. Behaviour could be changed with > configuration parameter. do i think correctly ? the stepper gets position commands, not s

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklas hello everybody is a novice in EDM, its just full of surprises ;-) 'interpolated position mode' ...doesthis mean position loop in hardware? regards Tomp tjtr33 On 01/03/17 01:34, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > Me is novice on EDM but it seems you know what you are doing. I got digital > outp

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I made local change to the hostmot2 stepper drivers to both send and receive absolute position encoder style. Behaviour could be changed with configuration parameter. The change is simple but I am still thinking about protocol because with interpolated position mode there is a need to set param

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Sarah Armstrong
Nicklas , any changes needed , i'd like to know should we put a repro together , might make life easier Sarah On 2 January 2017 at 18:34, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > Me is novice on EDM but it seems you know what you are doing. I got > digital outputs connected on machine this weekend and will

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Me is novice on EDM but it seems you know what you are doing. I got digital outputs connected on machine this weekend and will probably be able to test this weekend. I have made my own servo drivers with interpolated position mode, response is fast even though I have not yet perfected control l

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread Sarah Armstrong
Thanks Thomas , for the video , very interesting and informative too , i learned some more lol look forward to getting all this together Sarah On 2 January 2017 at 16:53, TJoseph Powderly wrote: > Hello > video of early iteration of edm panel in use > https://videobin.org/+fe8/jab.html > i thin

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2017-01-02 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Hello video of early iteration of edm panel in use https://videobin.org/+fe8/jab.html i think an example of reading the db file needs to be done soon but a working model is better than just thinkin' thanks tomp tjtr33 --

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-30 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Tabs are probably a very good idea, it is easy to switch in between. Even though my knowledge about EDM machining is very limited to to select parameter from a file or database sounds like a really good idea, I have seen tables with parameters in manual. If there are any problems with the softw

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-29 Thread Sarah Armstrong
good progress , i cant come up with any omissions , at least at this stage On 29 December 2016 at 19:01, TJoseph Powderly wrote: > planning 3 tabs > 'tech' you select edm parameters from a flatfile database OR rool your own > on/off/current/polarity/ignition voltage > 'cut' you control live cu

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-26 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:18:12 +0700 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > Nicklas > are you using theses abbreviation meanings? > .u = umschaltung or Voltage > .i = current > .t = time Yes, .u=voltage, .i=current, .t=time > > re: edm.u.Sparc , is this a flag meaning the spark generator is active, > or wha

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Nicklas are you using theses abbreviation meanings? .u = umschaltung or Voltage .i = current .t = time re: edm.u.Sparc , is this a flag meaning the spark generator is active, or what? re: edm.t.On & Off , are these integer microseconds or floats? re: edm.u.Ionization, is this a flag meaning ioni

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-26 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
In the m-codes you sent. M110 set onVal and offVal while I use edm.t.off and edm.t.on M112 set ipkval while I did not have M198 set AtMinTix and AtMaxTix while I do not have M199 set AdvLimVal and RetLimVal while I do not have Output signals: edm.t.Off edm.t.On edm.u.Ionization edm

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining --> EDM generator signals

2016-12-26 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
The user interface is a little bit blurred. As is now I try separate out signals for EDM generator in separate *.hal file similar as for spindle. Output signals: edm.t.Off edm.t.On edm.u.Ionization edm.u.Sparc Input signals: edm.u.Open edm.u.Seat edm.i edm.ionizationCnt edm.sp

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, g-code

2016-12-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
interesting AGie stuff please look at http://www.gfms.com/content/dam/gfac/proddb/edm/die-sinking/en/agiecharmilles-form-200-ms_en.pdf for a bit more screenshots remember, this is for a proprietary machine, and will be of limited use what is good though, is they actualy asked users to evaluate the

Re: [Emc-users] EDM machining, g-code

2016-12-25 Thread TJoseph Powderly
the edm gcodes are _usually_ fanuc like while the machines position the mcodes are _not_ similar , these are machine design specific, there are similar functions but the codes will be different characters and different devices especially the codes related to the edm power settings ( current volt

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